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April 23, 2026 - The Benny Show - Benny Johnson
01:30:26
The Tom Homan Interview: Fighting Demons With Mass Deportations

Tom Homan and Benny Hinn dissect immigration, revealing a 99% asylum drop and 10 million illegal entries under Biden versus Trump's success. They condemn the administration for 4,000 migrant deaths and 250,000 fentanyl overdoses while finding 146,000 trafficked children. Hinn argues America's Christian European foundation clashes with global cultures like Somalia's, citing Alex Preddy's killing as a de-escalation error. Ultimately, they frame border enforcement as essential for national security and traditional family values against "demonic" ideologies. [Automatically generated summary]

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kevin corke
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nicky rudd
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griff jenkins
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Ilhan Omar's Wealth Scandal 00:05:55
kevin corke
Jesse, Minnesota Democratic Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, you know, generally speaking, is quick to talk when it comes to slamming the president or the GOP or, you know, proclaiming her allegiance to Somalia.
But when it comes to taking questions about her skyrocketing wealth scandal, well, mum's the word.
Dodging questions after blaming the scandal on, wait for it, an accounting error.
And we're talking about one heck of an error her alleged net worth dropping by millions of dollars overnight.
A new congressional filing showing her net worth.
Went upwards of 30 million, then all the way back down to under 100 grand.
It also shows she has up to 100K in student loan debt and credit card debt.
What in the world?
She chalks up the discrepancies to an accounting error, saying she was too busy to do the filing herself.
Well, our Griff Jenkins gave her a chance to explain herself.
griff jenkins
Tell us about your net worth dropping down to about 100,000.
I mean, a whole, like, Could you just elaborate on what mistake was made, Congresswoman?
What mistake was made on your financial disclosure forms to bring it down to $100,000 from up to $30 million?
kevin corke
Molly, girl, you in danger.
Now, that's quite a change, especially when you consider just last week she was talking tough and daring the GOP to investigate her.
ilhan omar
Suggest all you want.
Please investigate what you want, right?
Like, to me, I'm not.
Like, I'm above the law, and how dare you?
You know, like, I understand politics, I understand what these people have to do in order to feed their base.
unidentified
Uh huh.
kevin corke
And there's a very good chance tonight they're gonna take her up on that offer, Jesse.
Did she hide the money, or did she never even have the money?
unidentified
I have no idea.
kevin corke
We're gonna find out sooner than later.
I'd like to find out.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
We're fixing my.
Porch, handy manny, and with the lowest prices in town!
Stand back, ma'am!
We're deporting this illegal hombre back to Taco Town!
Illegal?
Que demonias estás hablando, no soy un illegal con segue tus manos!
benny johnson
What's up, guys?
Good morning.
Today is April 23rd, 2026.
It is a Thursday, and I'm stuck at an airport in Dallas, Fort Worth, in my hotel after a rowdy night last night in Waco, Texas, Baylor University, where the kids went ballistic for Borders R Tom Holman.
Don't think for a second that America is done yet.
I'm going to show you some things that will inspire you, lift you up.
And we'll hype some wins from the Trump administration in a time when we really need to start talking about that more.
And it's something that is my major takeaway from the event last night.
Having worked with Charlie for close to a decade and having built with him, he was constantly optimistic and he was constantly wanting to bring factions together.
Charlie was the man who brought Elon Musk together with Donald Trump.
RFK, he fused that relationship.
JD Vance, by the way, I asked about Ilhan Omar's immigration status and some of the files that the Trump administration has on Ilhan Omar.
Last night with Tom Homan, and we'll get to that.
Believe that.
This is something that we need to do more of.
We need to hype more wins.
We need to talk more about our common enemy, which is, of course, the Marxist left.
No, it wouldn't be better if Kamala Harris was president right now.
No, we wouldn't have a better country.
We certainly wouldn't have a secure border.
Look at this these are the asylum rates and acceptance rates under Biden versus Trump, down 99%.
This is the population of foreign born criminal aliens in our biggest cities dropping through the floor.
These are the numbers of deportations, criminal arrests on the street, self deportations.
Look at this up 28%.
Asylum grant rates have plummeted, and the border is effectively closed.
Tom Holman told us last night that the border has had 12 people show up at it yesterday.
The kids were cheering for Tom Holman.
It was a blast.
It was really neat to be able to actually get some time to speak with him.
This man has overseen more deportations than any borders are in human history.
unidentified
Damn, Stuart.
tom homan
Thanks, Ben.
benny johnson
Tom Holman appreciation post.
And the kids, in spite of Baylor University trying to shut us down, the kids showed up en masse.
It was a packed house and it was inspiring.
I wish to share that with you because.
We need to do more.
We need to do more uplifting.
It's something that Charlie was always constantly about.
And it's something that Turning Point USA truly demonstrated last night, even though, again, the university tried to shut us down.
This is a beautiful USA chance.
Again, the university didn't want this.
The university effectively canceled the event, canceled 4,500 tickets, wouldn't let anybody in the event except for students, and then moved the venue. To a much, much smaller auditorium.
Again, they tried to move it off campus entirely.
When we wouldn't let them, they then immediately approved a grant for left wingers to show up and protest our event.
Here's how that went, by the way.
Venice AI and Patriot Mobile 00:02:59
benny johnson
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It's just the homeless person sleeping in the corner.
There's nobody here.
Every person here is a paid activist with a little yellow vest on.
Every person here.
It's all fake.
It's all AstroTurf.
It's as fake as the Virginia election yesterday.
This is what the left wing protests look like.
Yeah, okay.
How can you hate from outside the club?
You can't even get in.
It was a total and complete blast.
Again, I will play you the full and uncensored interview with.
Tom Holman, in just one moment.
We do want to really lock in for the midterms.
The country is at stake.
It is important that we continue to follow in the footsteps of Charlie and continue to uplift, ladies and gentlemen.
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Supporting Christian Conservative Causes 00:14:23
benny johnson
Ladies and gentlemen, let's make the switch over to Tom Homan at Baylor University.
Our interview, a rowdy house, lots of fun.
The kids wanted their Borders are.
They were fans of their Borders are.
Yeah, all right, baby.
Ladies and gentlemen, here we go.
Tom Homan.
What a G. He's got like this, he's got like this persona, right?
It's good.
It's nice when the persona sort of like matches the position.
Tom Homan is the man.
Who's a huge fan of Tom Holman here?
unidentified
Yeah.
benny johnson
And the incredible numbers that he's been putting up.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for being here with us.
tom homan
I'm happy to be a huge fan.
And TPUSA, God bless you.
As Benny said earlier, you're going to change the trajectory of this nation.
benny johnson
I just set you up with some of these incredible charts, asylum rates crashing through the floor.
I think perhaps at historic lows.
Certainly, in our generation, in every lifetime of every person here, deportations, arrests up.
The administration is actually doing what they promised on this front.
And I want to get sort of your landscape on how the first 18 months have gone when it comes to the enforcement of the vision of Donald Trump on immigration.
tom homan
Look, we're doing great.
We're setting historic records, but we got to do more.
And now that we hired, we're in process of hiring 10,000 new deportation officers, which doubles the size.
Of the deportation force.
You think it was good this year?
Wait till next year.
No, but when President Trump called me, I was actually, this is the second time I came out of retirement for the president.
My wife's still pissed off.
But I was sitting at the dinner table, my phone starts buzzing.
It says, POTUS.
My wife looks at me and she goes, Oh my God.
You going back?
I said, Well, let's see what he has to say.
So he called me up, and the first thing he said to me is, You've been bitching about it for four years.
Wanna come back and fix it?
How do you say no to that, right?
So he said, I want three things.
I want you to secure the border.
I want you to oversee a mass deportation operation.
I want you to find these 300,000 missing children that Biden released to unvetted sponsors that were missing.
Those are the three things he gave me.
And look, we're doing great.
Most secure border in the history of the nation today.
Never been more secure than it is right now.
benny johnson
That means a lot to the people of Texas, right?
Everyone in Texas has got a story.
Everybody in Texas has got a story.
tom homan
During Biden years, we're dealing with some days 12,000 people coming to the border.
Yesterday, 116.
And every one was turned around.
So, zero releases from the border in the last 11 months.
Deportations, you know, together, ICE and Borbatschild got a little over 800.
ICE alone, about 600, which is an historic record.
The biggest year before then was in 2012 when Obama had 409,000.
And I was actually given an award by President Obama for deporting so many people, but they don't want to admit it today.
But historic deportation numbers, but we need to do more.
And that's what we're focused on this past year.
We need to do more.
We've got a lot more to find.
But as far as the kids, because of President Trump's leadership, he promised American people this.
And I promise you this.
300,000 missing children because of President Trump, we've already found 146,000 of them.
And that's 146,000 children the last administration wasn't even looking for.
And were all of them in danger?
unidentified
No.
tom homan
Some of them with families hiding out.
They didn't want to be deported.
They didn't want to go to Immigration Corps.
But many, too many, were involved in forced sex trafficking and forced labor.
People want to say this administration is inhumane.
President Trump saved thousands of children from sex trafficking and forced labor.
This is a great president, greatest president of my lifetime.
And I'll end it with this.
Me and the president talked about this just a few days ago.
We're going to run down every single lead on these children.
Problem is, you all have a footprint.
We can find you.
You have a car, you pay mortgage, you pay rent, you got utility bills, you got tuition.
We can find adults because they got a footprint, digital footprint.
Children don't have a digital footprint.
So I told the president in that first phone call, we'll secure the border.
Done it before and do it again this time.
We'll kick Trump 45's ass and Trump 47 is going to break no records.
We can have a mass deportation operation.
We've got plenty to find because of the four years of open border.
The children are the most difficult because they don't have that digital footprint.
So we have to count on the digital footprint of the sponsors, the unvetted sponsors.
And what we've learned is many of the addresses provided that weren't verified by the Biden administration are parking lots, grocery stores, schools.
So HSI, Homeland Security Investigation, along with the FBI, is working really, really hard, and they found 146,000.
But President Trump has made a promise.
We're going to run down every single lead until we find every one of them.
And, you know, unfortunately, about a dozen have already died, either from natural causes or some violence.
About 12 of these children have died.
But until the last day President Trump's in the Oval Office, we're going to run down every lead.
And I'll make another promise.
I'll be involved in this until the day I die.
I want to find every one of these children.
And so it ain't just an administration thing.
unidentified
It's a home thing.
benny johnson
Follow up questions there, but I just can't help myself.
What is it in you that brings you to this level of conviction?
Because you just said, Till the day I die, I will be going to find children that may be from Guatemala, Honduras, they might not even speak your language, probably don't, but you are devoting your life to this.
unidentified
Why?
tom homan
Because of what I've seen the last 40 years of my career.
I started in Borbato in 1984, I wore that uniform.
I was an ICE agent.
I was the first ICE director who came up through the ranks.
So the things I've seen in my career have changed the man I am.
I mean, I've talked to young girls as young as nine years old.
unidentified
Nine.
tom homan
That were raped multiple times by members of the cartel to pay for passage to come into the United States.
When you get on your knees and you talk to a nine-year-old little girl, and everything, you look in her eyes and everything in her is dead, her life is ruined forever, it's just, you just, your heart breaks because she will never be the same.
That little girl should be playing with dolls and having the time of her life, but she will never be the same because you had grown men crawling on her, taking everything innocent and pure from her.
I've stood on back of a tractor trailer with 19 dead aliens that died, baked to death, including a five-year-old little boy that baked to death and begged his father not to let him die.
The other witnesses said he begged his dad, I don't want to die, I want to see mommy.
That little five-year-old was getting baked to death in back of that tractor trailer knowing he was dying.
And when I went to that crime scene, I had a five-year-old son at the time.
That little boy was wearing the same underwear my little boy had.
That messed me up for a while.
Fortunately, we put all those 14 scumbags in prison, got every one of them.
But things like that, running Operation Ice Storm in Phoenix, Arizona, where Smuggling organizations were smuggling people in.
They put them in a stash house.
Other smuggling organizations would go there armed and rip them off.
It's like ripping off a dope load because these aliens are worth more than dope.
So they're ripping them off.
Then when they take control of them, they call the relative up and say, okay, we got your brother here.
You owe us $20,000.
And the relative said, wait a minute, we agreed on $10,000.
Well, it's $20,000 now.
You want to pay it?
We kill him.
And they did.
Bodies were piling up.
And they were actually calling relatives up saying, if you don't pay, don't pay the fee, we're going to torture, and they would put them on the phone and the relative would listen to this person being tortured to death.
So a lot of things.
I can go on for the next two hours.
Things i've seen in my career so look, I love kids.
It broke my heart and a lot of things i've seen and uh, that's why I came back second time for president Trump.
I want to see what I could do to only not only secure the border.
People need to understand when you secure the border, you save thousands of lives.
Under president Biden, with historic mass illegal immigration, It's the most inhumane thing you can do.
31% of women that make that journey get raped.
unidentified
31% admit it.
tom homan
So if 31% admit it, how many actually got raped?
Children were getting sexually assaulted.
Children were dying.
Under Biden, over 4,000 aliens died making that journey.
An historic record.
A quarter million Americans died from fentanyl overdose that came across that border.
An historic record.
A historic record of national security cases.
President Trump, 45.
We had a total of 14 people on the terrorist watch list arrested on the southern border.
Under Joe Biden, over 400.
So every day in that four years, the president was right.
I was pissed off for four years.
Every day I woke up and I said, and I was thinking to myself, how many children died last night?
How many Americans died last night?
How many young girls got raped last night?
How many billions of dollars did the cartel make?
For four years I woke up pissed off.
So when I got an offer to come back, I'm going to come back.
But what drives me is the things I've seen in my career.
And I wish the people who hate the board of chill and hate ICE, the members of Congress and the Democrat side of the House, I wish they wore my shoes for 40 years.
Because they'd have a different opinion on the patriots of the Border Patrol.
The men and women of the Border Patrol, men and women of ICE, I love them.
They're the finest young men and women this country has because they put themselves to harm's way to go.
When I laid in bed, I think about when I was a board patrol agent.
Now, 3 o'clock in the morning, you got a board patrol agent standing on a dirt trail in the middle of nowhere because a sensor just went off.
Okay, is that just an illegal alien looking for a better life?
Or is it a heavily armed drug smuggler?
They don't know, but they're going to stand there and take it on.
While we're sleeping in our beds safe at night, I'll be sleeping at 3 a.m., unless the president calls me, because at least they wake me up a lot.
But at 3 a.m., While you're sleeping, there's a green uniform standing on a dirt trail someplace protecting this nation.
Men and women of the ice, they strap a gun to their hip every day and wear a Kevlar vest to go after illegal aliens, criminal illegal aliens, national security threats, at the same time being called Nazis and racist by members of Congress and mayors and governors.
It's disgusting.
But you know what?
They keep getting up every day and doing the job.
So God bless them.
benny johnson
Have you ever seen the movie Sicario?
unidentified
What?
benny johnson
Sicario?
tom homan
Yes, I have.
benny johnson
Is it real?
Is it like that?
tom homan
Realistically real.
Yeah, I just, when I watched that movie, whoever wrote that movie and produced that movie did an excellent job.
benny johnson
Because what you were describing reminds me of scenes from the movie in some of the brutality and evil demonstrated.
tom homan
The criminal cartels in Mexico, they don't care about these people, it's money.
And if one.
Many cases of an alien got sick in that group and they were smuggling, if he got sick, they left him to die.
They're not calling 911.
They're not trying to help him.
Look, there was an instance, there have been many instances, but one time I was down the southern border.
A smuggler is bringing some illegal aliens in, a family in the boat, in the blow up boat across the river.
Border Patrol starts approaching them.
Smuggler doesn't want to be arrested, so what does he do?
He throws them into the river.
People that can't swim and toddlers.
And they died drowning because that smuggler says, I don't want to be arrested.
I'll throw this two year old in the river that can't swim.
Some of these people are from African nations, never swam in their life.
Or some of these Asian countries, they know how to swim.
And they throw them in the river, knowing that the board patrol, the men and women of the board patrol, are going to hop in the water with 60, 70 pounds of gear on to do what they can to save life.
You know, Texas had a National Guard.
National Guardsman here died, he drowned, jumping into rivers to save an alien.
That's something the cartels will never do.
benny johnson
I hear they're making a Sicario 2.
I hope that they cast Tom Homan.
I don't know if they will, but I hope that they do.
What is, now I'm just curious because I'm so glad that I asked that question about your personal experience.
Last personal question I'll ask you What is your relationship with God?
Because you see so much evil and you quite literally battle.
Some of the darkest evil that can exist in humanity on a day to day basis.
And not only that, you actually see it.
Most people don't see it.
You see it.
tom homan
No, I do.
And look, you know, I honestly, God is my witness.
Every night I go to bed, I pray for the safety of the men and women of ICE and the Borb Trail, but I also pray for the people we're looking for and the people we're saving.
Faith Amidst Daily Evil 00:15:52
tom homan
Even the people that we go to the streets to look for illegal aliens.
I want them to be sent home.
I'm in the export business and I love it.
But I don't want to see anybody die.
So I pray for everybody every night.
But right now, I'm in a little trouble.
I'm a Catholic.
I'm in a little trouble right now because I called out the Pope.
Because they want to weigh in.
And him and three cardinals weighed in the other day about how cruel ICE is and how we shouldn't have shut the border down.
Well, as a lifelong Catholic, baptized, First Communion, Confirmation, I love the Catholic Church.
But you know what?
They're wrong.
Secure border saves lives.
unidentified
They did this.
tom homan
If you go to the Vatican and jump their wall, the penalty is about three times it is here.
But we're not allowed to secure our border.
Then they want to attack the men and women of ICE because they're listening to the fake stories, right?
I've been up on Capitol Hill.
We stopped about two weeks ago because I got sick of going up and the president got tired of negotiating on reopening DHS.
And, you know, well, they, okay, you guys need to stay out of sensible locations.
Churches, schools, hospitals.
I said, first of all, we do.
But there is no sanctuary for a national security threat or significant public safety threat.
There is no sanctuary here.
And we'll go where we got to go.
I said, but name one instance, please.
Name one instance where we went into a church to arrest somebody.
Give me one.
Give me one we went into an elementary school to arrest a child.
Give me one.
Give me one time we went to a hospital to arrest somebody.
This is a false media.
This is the media lying to the American people trying to vilify us.
The only people that violated the sanctity of the church was Don Lemon and his group.
They're the only ones that violated search.
And that's why there's so much Reddit, and that's why the American people don't understand what ICE really does, because there's so much false information.
And I made a challenge.
Give me one case where you arrested somebody in the church or hospital.
So there is fear in the immigrant community.
Most of that fear is being driven by the left that want to vilify the bend and win of ICE.
And for any member of Congress to go on TV or testify and use the words Nazi, racist, white nationalist, you know, secret police.
If we're the racist for enforcing the law, what's that make them?
They wrote it.
We're not making this stuff up.
So, you know what?
We'll keep fighting them.
We'll win the message.
President Trump wins every day.
benny johnson
Is this your invitation to the Pope for a ride along with ICE?
tom homan
Yes.
And I said that.
I said, I will sit down and talk to them because they're talking about something they don't understand.
Again, I'll explain to them what happened to the Biden administration.
An open board is the most inhumane thing you can do because when you make a promise to the world like Biden and Mallorca did, you can enter your country illegally.
It's a crime.
Don't worry about it.
We're going to release you within 24 hours.
We're going to give you an airline ticket, an air ticket to the city of your choice.
We're going to put you in a hotel room at 500 bucks a night.
We're going to give you three meals a day.
And if you wait long enough, for like four months, we're going to give you work authorization.
Which is the real reason you came here.
You're not escaping fear.
You're not really an asylum seeker.
When you make that promise to the whole world, the most vulnerable people will give their life savings to the cartels to make that dangerous journey.
And that's why you had over 4,000 migrant deaths.
The most humane thing you can do is secure the border.
President Trump has illegal immigration down 96.7%.
When 97% less people are coming, how many women aren't being raped?
How many children aren't dying?
How many pounds of fentanyl is not getting in to kill Americans?
How many no-inspector terrorists aren't making into the United States?
How many billions of dollars the cartel is not making?
President Trump is a remarkable leader for this nation.
I've worked for six presidents, Trump and Ronald Reagan.
Every president I worked for thought border security was somewhat important.
No one did more than President Trump.
His success is unprecedented.
And because of that, we have the most secure, safe nation in Canada.
Unprecedented.
benny johnson
Everybody sees this and thinks it's immoral.
Nobody, I think that the last election was frankly lost on this issue, and that's what everybody says in the exit polls.
Nobody liked the open border.
Everybody saw it as inhumane.
It is indefensible.
It's indefensible if you're a Christian, if you can read Deuteronomy.
Deuteronomy says, don't allow your land to be overtaken by the foreigner, they will become your master, and you will be their slave.
So if you wish to look to the Bible, I know we're at a Christian college here, there it is.
What should happen to these?
I think that's one thing that people are grasping for.
Is what should happen to Mallorcas?
What should happen to the Biden administration?
These people, they facilitated this.
Should they be charged with crimes?
tom homan
Yes, they need to be held accountable.
I mean, what they did.
I mean, here the other day, I watched Congress a couple weeks ago.
We're going to prosecute Miller, Homan, Nome.
We're going to prosecute all you guys for what you've done.
unidentified
Really?
tom homan
What have we done?
Other than enforce the laws you wrote.
Meanwhile, Alejandro Mallorcas stood under oath.
During testimony in Congress, how many times they said the border is secure?
He lied under oath.
Was he held accountable?
No, what they did was treasonous.
They created the most significant national security failure in the history of this nation, allowing millions of people across this border.
And what scares me the most, and scare you the most, over 2 million known gotaways, 2 million people that were caught on video, drone traffic, or sensor traffic entered the country and got away.
Because the Borbachev was so overwhelmed, that humanitarian crisis, an average of 70% of agents were off the line.
Some days, here in Texas, Eagle Pass, El Paso, there was weeks where there wasn't a single Borbachev uniform in the sector on the line.
Because they're dealing with the overcrowding, changing diapers, making baby formula, taking care of this humanitarian crisis.
Why did 2 million people pay more to get away?
Because you pay the cartel a certain amount of money to get to the border.
See a green uniform, turn yourself in, get released, get flown to the city of your choice, all that.
Why did 2 million people pay more not to take advantage of the free giveaways?
unidentified
Why?
tom homan
Because they didn't want to be vetted.
They didn't want to be fingerprinted.
Either because they're gang members, they're criminals, they're smuggling fentanyl, or they're from a country that sponsors terror.
That was the biggest national security failure this nation's ever seen, and they need to be held accountable.
Because Tulsa Gabbard said it, the intelligence community said it, we know there are people here.
We know where some are.
We know where some are.
So I pray every day that something terrible doesn't happen.
But I'm glad President Trump's in the Oval Office if something does happen.
But what they did wasn't mismanagement.
It wasn't incompetence.
It was by design.
They knew exactly what they were doing.
And let me tell you why.
Because under Barack Obama, they gave me an award for removing almost half a million of the whalens, right?
Alejandro Mayorkas was the deputy secretary at the time.
Joe Biden was vice president.
We had a surge at the border under Obama.
We shut it down.
How did we do that?
We detained everybody.
We built family residential centers to hold families.
We made them see a judge.
90% lost their hearings, were sent home.
The numbers tanked.
So, they know how we fix it.
Don't release them, make them see a judge, remove them.
So, now that Alejandro Marocas is the secretary, Joe Biden's the president, what do they do?
They don't detain them, they don't make them see a judge, and they handcuff ICE so they can't deport people.
They did a complete opposite of what they know worked when they were vice president and deputy secretary.
This wasn't mismanagement.
This is on purpose.
They thought they would see a future political benefit in bringing millions of people, illegal aliens, put them in sanctuary cities.
And he also overturned the Trump census rule, hoping they'd be counted the next census, which results in what?
More seats in the House for the Dems.
Plus, they thought they were going to be future Democratic voters.
They sold this country out for future political power.
In my mind, in my opinion, that's treasonous.
benny johnson
We're going to jump to QA from the audience in just a minute, but I have just a few quick follow ups because I just can't help myself.
You did get an award from Barack Obama.
It's a real photo.
unidentified
It's not AI.
benny johnson
There's that photo of you getting that award, right?
What the hell happened to that guy?
Because he was like, hey, great job doing all the deportations.
And then suddenly it's like, well, let's use all the criminal aliens to rig the elections in Virginia.
I mean, you saw that last night, right?
tom homan
I live in Virginia.
benny johnson
All the murders in Fairfax County.
I think it was something like 80% of the murders in Fairfax County are illegals.
They pumped that state full of illegals.
There's no doubt that the way that mail and balloting works, a ton of illegals voted in Virginia in order to wreck the state last night.
And you're saying that's the goal.
unidentified
Is that correct?
Yeah.
tom homan
I live in Virginia.
I was pretty upset over that.
Thank God a district court judge is holding that now.
And I think once it gets to our courts, they'll uphold that.
What they did, I think, is pure gerrymandering.
Almost half the state, it's a pretty purple state, half the states Republican red, they got no representation now.
Well, they lost 90% of it, right?
It just isn't right.
But what that administration did was by design.
And I find it hard to believe that any president, any secretary, secretary of Homeland Security will sell this nation's security up.
It's just, it's just, it's just, it's criminal.
benny johnson
Charged me, Ocas, with treason?
unidentified
Yeah.
benny johnson
Last question, and then we'll open it up to the audience.
Two and a half weeks ago, I sat down with the vice president, and he was talking about fraud.
He just finished up his first roundtable meeting about fraud and how to attack it with the entire department, with all the department heads.
It was very impressive.
Of course, everybody's in favor of this.
And I asked about the Somali daycare fraud, and he just straight up jumped right in and said, Stephen Miller's upstairs, and he has proof that Ilhan Omar.
Lied on her immigration forms.
We have that paperwork.
We know she did this.
And now we're looking for how to take action.
Can you fill us in?
Do you know what's going to happen?
Is the Trump administration going to go there?
The floor is yours.
tom homan
The whole file is being reviewed.
A lot of smart people are on it.
Stay tuned.
benny johnson
Could you color for us what of the elucidated and many crimes there are that it could be?
tom homan
I cannot get ahead.
benny johnson
There's like a lot of potential things that could have been there.
tom homan
I can't get ahead of the investigation, but I know that some of this, I know people are involved in the review, and they're really smart people, and it's in good hands.
unidentified
All right.
benny johnson
It's in good hands.
Okay.
We got the All-State endorsement from Tom Homan, and.
And a round of applause.
We're going to your questions.
unidentified
Here we go.
benny johnson
That was inspiring, wasn't it?
unidentified
It's amazing.
Hi, my question is for Tom Homan.
How is your role different under the Trump administration versus with the Obama administration?
tom homan
The first four years of the Obama administration, it was pretty much the same.
The second four years is when he turned 180 degrees and stopped us from doing anything.
The Trump, and in Obama, I ran enforcement and removal operations, which is third in command ICE.
So I was in charge of immigration enforcement.
Under President Trump, I'm the border czar.
So my main responsibility was the border, plus, you know, oversee the deportation and find these kids.
So I got a little bit different job now, but working for President Trump, I worked for the greatest president of my lifetime.
And President Trump lets men and women of law enforcement do their job.
That's the difference.
unidentified
Thank you.
Hi, how's it going?
My question is also for Mr. Hellman.
Hi, how's it going?
I'm from Fishco, Texas, and we are experiencing a severe abuse of the H 1B visa program.
So, what is being done to.
To address this?
tom homan
That's not in my wheelhouse.
I can tell you that there are people at White House Policy and Legislative Affairs working with members of Congress on addressing that.
There's no answer yet.
There's people looking at what should be limited, what should be expanded.
I don't want to get ahead of the White House announcement on that, but it's being worked on as we speak.
I know because I was up on Hill last week and I met some folks that are working on it.
I gave them my opinions and we'll see where it goes from there.
unidentified
Ezra, thank you.
tom homan
Thank you.
unidentified
Hi, my question is for Mr. Homan.
I'm curious about how your security during this administration, how are you going to impact it long term?
How are the changes in the immigration enforcement that you're doing right now going to affect us in the long run?
And how could the next administration kind of reinforce that and continue that?
tom homan
Well, having the most secure border in the history of the nation gives us strong national security because now we know who's coming in, what's coming in, where it's coming in, why it's coming in.
unidentified
Right?
tom homan
Under the last administration, the border was wide open.
So we don't know what came in or who came in.
Like I said, 2 million gotaways.
So we need to maintain the secure border.
That's why I'm working really hard right now with Rodney Scott, head of the board, along with Mark Wayne Mullen, to making sure we build the infrastructure that's going to last for decades.
I look today, since President Trump's been in the Oval Office, we've already put over 75 miles wall up.
By the time he leaves office, we'll have 1,416 miles of wall.
And that's going to make the border even safer.
And let me tell you, a wall that's going to last for decades.
And the wall isn't just for security and slowing illegal immigration.
Walls save lives.
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tom homan
And let me explain that.
The most vulnerable people that come across that border are women and children.
They can't get over that wall, which means they go to a place where there's not a wall.
And what's waiting on them?
Men and women, the border control is going to take care of those humanitarian needs right away.
So the wall saves lives.
So by designing President Trump in his office, That's a lot of wall.
Also, we've just hired, or in the process of hiring, we ain't got them on board yet, 10,000 new deportation officers.
So we'll have a stronger workforce that's going to be out there enforcing immigration law every day.
Finally, we're building detention capacity that we never had before.
The most we had under Trump 45, it's about 50,000, 55,000 people in detention.
We're building 100,000 beds.
So there's not going to be any more excuse.
We don't have the bed space.
We'll have plenty of bed space.
If we turn those beds around every 30 days, 100,000, find 30, we'll get to the numbers that the American people want us to get to on deportations, no problem.
unidentified
Thank you, sir, and thank you for visiting Baylor.
tom homan
You got it.
unidentified
Hi, I had a question for Mr. Holman.
My question is, is there any legislation in place right now that would survive the next Democrat president in the offices making an executive order canceling all the work that has been done right now?
That's a great question.
tom homan
That is a great question.
That's my concern.
If Congress doesn't get off her ass and pass legislation, next president's coming to undo everything we did.
Except, you know, we're going to can't, you know, the wall be there and the beds be there, but they can hamstring ice and, you know, start accepting hundreds of thousands of plausible asylum claims.
Congress needs to legislate and put this into law.
So do I have high hopes of that?
Not right now.
No elections mattered.
We had H.R. 2, which is a great bill.
Passed the House.
Senate won't even put it on the floor.
And that's where the American people need to stand up and start raising hell.
Secure border should be a nonpartisan issue because the things I just talked about, the number of deaths, the number of sexual assaults, everybody should agree you can't have strong national security if you don't have secure borders.
But it is not.
The left have lost their minds.
So my fear is that if they get back in control, they'll just issue new executive orders and do away a lot of stuff.
So please, call your local congressman, your senator, tell them to get off their ass and pass some laws that's going to secure this nation and protect this nation from foreign invaders.
unidentified
Thank you so much.
benny johnson
Do you mind if I ask just a very quick follow-up to his question about naturalization?
James Carville was out this week.
I don't know if anybody saw this saying when Democrats get power, we are going to open that border wide up and we're going to naturalize 60 million new Americans as quickly as possible.
Is there that executive power?
tom homan
Look, they approved during the Biden administration, they want to open the border, they'll do it.
unidentified
You're scaring the hell out of me.
tom homan
I hope not, but I don't put anything past them.
Look, you've got members of Congress right now.
comparing ICE to the Nazis, which has increased threats against ICE 8,000%.
Have they stopped?
No.
They're continuing.
I mean, I met on the hill last time I met on the hill.
They said, well, we need to take the mask off.
So that's a non-starter.
Because you want us to take the mask off, we're wearing masks to protect because they're being doxxed.
Not with the agents being doxed, your spouses and children being doxxed.
They're wearing it for protection.
So if you want the mask off, why don't you stop the hateful rhetoric that has increased threats up to 8,000%?
I mean, you're sitting here and say, take mask off, and I'll see you on CNN tonight calling ICE Nazis, which raises the threat level.
So, you know, they lost their minds.
So I don't know what they're going to do, Benny.
I mean, it's just elections matter.
So, personally, I think the next president of the United States is currently in the administration.
benny johnson
If they were real Nazis, they'd be funded by the SPLC.
tom homan
I read that story today.
unidentified
Oh, come on.
tom homan
That was airplane reading.
benny johnson
Got him.
tom homan
Well, they say I'm a, they've, Southern Providence Law Center classified me as racist too.
unidentified
Whatever.
tom homan
Well, they don't understand what the rest of them don't understand.
I don't give a shit what people think of me.
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benny johnson
Because, a good way to go through life.
tom homan
If you let them affect you like that, they win.
So I can lay my head on my pillow every night knowing I'm doing everything I can to secure this nation and to save lives.
The Border Patrol and Ice saved so many lives.
And what President Trump, I just told you, with Illinois Greystone 97%, how many lives are being saved?
So I'm proud of what I'm doing.
I'm going to keep doing it.
And they can attack me all they want.
I'm old.
I get tired.
But when I get up in the morning and read a hit piece, it's like throwing gas in my fire.
It makes me ready.
Okay, let's go.
Where do they go?
Yes, sir.
unidentified
Continuing that topic of hateful rhetoric, and I'll let you speak for yourself, Benny, but the comment you made maybe 25 minutes ago about liberal women being pigs and cows, as a seminary student here, I've given my life in preparation to prepare to preach the gospel to the world, to America, and as someone from Washington, a very liberal place for all its warts, to Washington.
benny johnson
But quite beautiful.
unidentified
Yes.
Yes.
I can't wait to be back this summer near Mount Rainier.
I wonder.
benny johnson
That place is gorgeous.
Are you from Seattle?
I'm about an hour south.
That used to be one of the best cities in America.
Man, what's happening to Seattle, man?
unidentified
Sure.
Sure.
But I wonder how you see your faith.
Obviously, Scripture tells us that we will have to prepare for every single word we say to give an account, right?
How do you, when you make comments like that, how do you envision that conversation going with the Lord?
benny johnson
I feel like, and I totally get it, like I feel like it's critical to understand a couple things here.
One, I am a sinner.
I am not God.
God is God.
God sent his son, Jesus Christ, because I am a sinner and because I make mistakes and because I need forgiveness.
I also think that jokes are funny and that comedy should be legal.
And if that offends you, well.
I don't know, be offended.
There are some things that many people would find offensive in the Bible.
I think it was Paul who said once if you're going to argue so much over circumcision, then you should go the whole way and castrate yourselves, right?
Just cut it all off.
And that's like kind of blunt, right?
Like that's kind of, whoa, like that's kind of, maybe it's a joke.
Probably is.
I don't think he literally meant that.
But there are obviously shades.
And there's some pretty blunt truths in the Bible.
And I think the point that I was ultimately trying to make, even though maybe it might not be perfect, is this that there's a reason why the fertility charts for conservatives are going up like this because our women look like women, and our men have testosterone still, and our men behave like men, and we honor God in the way that we lead our lives.
And what is that exactly?
What is the first commandment of God to man?
The first thing, you're a seminary student, what is it?
The first thing that God said is go make babies.
It's the first thing He said.
And to tend to my garden, to make it peaceful, to ensure that the garden is orderly.
And so conservatives follow in that nature.
And I think that it's critically important what I see in the butchery of children, trans ideology that in part took Charlie from us.
Is frankly demonic.
It is antithetical to God.
God maketh you man and woman.
And I think that the ability for conservatives to not only own that, but also to own God's commandments for us to go and be fruitful and multiply is critically important.
And to be able to do that, I think that being attractive is an important thing.
I'm not a looks maxer, all right?
I'm sure Cavicular will be at the next turning point event.
But, you know, and I guess if you're looking for where I'm rooted, if I'm going to make a Dylan Mulvaney joke right up here, that's kind of the root of it, right?
And God designed women a specific way and men a specific way, and it's for sexual attraction.
And so that's kind of where that comes from.
I don't know.
Maybe that would be the explanation I'd give, right?
Maybe it was just a naughty joke.
I'm not sure.
But humor is still legal in this country, and I'm cool with it.
unidentified
But thank you for your question.
Hello, Mr. Tom Holman.
My question is for you.
Humor Is Still Legal Here 00:15:10
unidentified
First off, thank you so much for what you've done for this country in securing our border.
My question is specifically about the contrast between what happened under Biden.
We saw 10 million illegals coming into this country right around 12,000 a day.
And then under your leadership, the border's been closed, which has been great.
But we've seen mass deportations of around 1,000 people a day.
And with midterms coming up and the rhetoric ramping down from our administration, I just want to know, and I'm curious, just like a bunch of us, what we can expect before midterms from the administration.
tom homan
We're going to keep doing our job.
And actually, the numbers are running around 1,600 to 1,700 a day.
Today's number was like 1,600.
We broke 2,000 maybe a dozen times the past year.
We need to do more.
We're going to keep doing it.
I mean, President Trump's been clear that we should prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.
But I looked at the numbers today.
The numbers about right now in detention, about 64% are criminals.
You know, about 60 40, about 40 are non-criminals.
We're going to keep enforcing immigration law against everybody's in the country illegally.
But we, as the president said, I work for the president, so I you know, I work within the framework he sets and he says, I want you to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats.
That's what we're doing, but we're still enforcing immigration law against others because we have to, because the message we can't send to the whole world is, enter the country legally, it's a crime, but don't worry about it.
Just don't commit another crime and no one's looking for you.
We can't send that message.
So we need we need to enforce the immigration law against all those in the country illegally, To send a strong message, because we're sending that message.
That's one of the reasons we have the most secure border in the history of the nation, because we send a message to the whole world.
There's no free rider anymore.
If you're in the country legally, we're looking for you.
And we're going to arrest you and deport you.
And I did a Bill Maher show a couple months ago, and we had to go back and forth quite a bit.
unidentified
It was amazing.
tom homan
He says, but look, some of these people have been here 15, 20 years.
Should they be deported?
I said, well, allow them to have due process, a great tax.
We got one and a half. million people who had due process been ordered removed by a federal judge and became fugitives.
So we let them stay because they were good at hiding out.
Because there are millions of people standing in line every day, taking their tests, doing their background investigation, paying their fees to be part of the greatest nation on earth.
They're sitting in the back of the bus.
The asylum fraudler and Joe Biden, you know, hundreds of thousands made fraudulent asylum claims.
Well, there are people in the world that really do need our protection because they really are escaping fear and persecution.
from the home country because of race, religion, political affiliation.
They're sitting in the back of the bus.
We've got to enforce the immigration laws of this country because that gives us a secure nation.
That tells the world we're serious about our immigration policies.
And it helps secure the border, which just makes national security stronger.
So I guess that's a long answer to your question.
We're not going to stop.
We're going to keep moving forward.
President Trump was voted into the Oval Office.
Number one issue, secure the border and enforce immigration law.
And we're going to keep doing it every day.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
I hope you deliver.
Good afternoon.
My question is for Benny.
Earlier.
benny johnson
Oh, no, another theology student.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
Oh, here we go.
Don't worry, don't worry.
Earlier, you spoke about a speech that Vivek Ramaswamy gave, and he gave kind of the explanation of you know, you could go to China, you'll never be Chinese.
You could go to Italy, you'll never be Italian.
You could express disagreement with that when it comes to being American.
What are the specific factors that you think make someone an American?
And then, secondarily, why would excluding folks who have talent or who could come add to the American project be more pro American than keeping the population we have now?
benny johnson
Yeah, totally.
So, I'm not going to talk on an individual basis, right?
What I'm going to talk about is like the big picture of what he posted and what his idea was, right?
So, the idea goes like this the structure of his argument goes like this You can't go to France and call yourself French.
You can't go to Germany and call yourself German.
You can't go to Japan and you'll never be Japanese.
And if you go to China, doesn't matter, you'll never be Chinese.
But you can come to America.
In fact, everyone can come to America.
All 9 billion people on Earth can all be American, including the cannibals on North Sentinel Island, right?
An uncontacted tribe.
They can be American.
You have your cannibal neighbors.
It'll be a great sitcom on ABC.
unidentified
No.
benny johnson
I mean, I fundamentally reject that, right?
For a couple of reasons.
And I'm going to start here on, like, well, okay, what is an American?
And this is hopefully a documentary I get to make with Matt Walsh one of these days.
unidentified
I would love to.
benny johnson
What is an American exactly, right?
America, up until the last 200 years, was founded, created, built, all of the infrastructure, all of the culture, Christian, European.
That was plus 90% of all immigration to America.
That was the original founding.
That was the original founders and how they structured our nation.
The Bible and calls to God and calls to a Christian God are throughout.
Have a nation holy for a moral and religious people and none other, right?
And he wasn't talking about Islam when he was talking about that.
He was talking about Christendom.
He was talking about different shades of Christian, though, which is something that is why the country was founded, because there were various levels of persecution with the Anglican Church, for instance, right?
And Catholics.
You guys had it bad, you know?
Merry old England.
So you come here.
But to not acknowledge that as the foundational reason why this country.
Isn't China or isn't Japan, why this country is so great, I think is morally dishonest at best, or, you know, subterfuge at worst to sort of like cut out and ignore that.
So I think at first it's critical to acknowledge what built America, who built America exactly.
Only did those demographics, by the way, even begin to change in like the 1970s, all right?
Only did with the getting rid of the Hart Seller Act.
But anyway, I think that's a fundamental problem with that argument is the skipping over of.
Who built America in the first place?
You know, there was nobody named Zorhan Mandami that fought in the Civil War.
Okay?
But then it gets the bigger, deeper, and more important question that I find so offensive.
Why can't we have a protected culture?
Like, what is it about America that means, like, you can't defend or protect what is American?
Why is it so silly to say that if you move to China, you're not Chinese, but if somebody from China moves here, they're suddenly an American?
What is it about our culture where we can be like constantly disrespected and you can constantly use this place in this land and not acknowledge that we have a specific culture, that we have a specific people, a honored heritage, and that we're great for a reason?
I feel like that's disrespectful, frankly, to how America was founded and to what this country is.
And honestly, I totally disregard and disavow the idea that everybody on earth, all 9 billion people on earth, can be Americans.
Our founders would do that as well, by the way, if you read their writings.
Thomas Jefferson would have deported more people than Tom Homan.
tom homan
No, he didn't.
benny johnson
But that's what sort of got my ire up is that I'm like, I'm sick of people not acting like Americans and people who have been here since the Mayflower and the culture that's been built here, like that they don't deserve defenders.
They do.
Our culture is great.
Our culture, I would argue, is exceptional.
I would argue that there's a lot of worldviews, for instance, Sharia law, that is wholly and totally incompatible with Western civilization and our culture.
And we should be extremely cautious about turning America that has a cohesive joined culture together, that has a shared culture, into just a UN refugee camp with a bunch of atomized people from all over the world that speak different languages, have different traditions, and share nothing together.
If there's a fire on your block, you need to be able to speak the language of your neighbors in order to put it out together as a community.
You have to.
If a child's in danger, you need to be able to speak the language of the people that you live next to and share some level of compassion or tradition for protecting children that we believe in here in this country because of how we were founded.
Why?
Because we had Western civilized Christian ideals that founded this nation.
So to totally disregard that and separate that and to say just like anyone and anything can become an American, I reject it outright.
I think, frankly, that's disrespectful.
And I think that's how you got into the horrible situation that we find ourselves in.
Right now, today, where you have less and less societal trust, nobody wants to live in a zero trust society.
You have to have things in common.
You must have things in common a common language, a common belief in God, a common belief in what society is meant to do for each other, a common belief that child brides is immoral, that cousin marriages is immoral.
These are things that are practiced all throughout the world with great regularity, that having multiple wives is immoral.
These are normal practices all throughout many lands.
And quite frankly, we're bringing those lands here.
And so, this is the final thing I'd leave you with.
And it's the final thing that always shuts people up.
Not like I'm trying to shut you up, but like when they come to me with this globalist argument, sorry for the long answer, but like would you, if Somalia, like meaning you broke off Somalia from Africa and you attached it, right, to Florida, let's say Corpus Christi, maybe it wouldn't be much different.
But you attached it here, would you want to go visit?
Like would that be a place where you would like go vacation?
Like would you want to go to Mogadishu?
Like would this be like a fun place for you to go?
With all the sectarian violence and, you know, rapes.
unidentified
I mean, assuming those people meet the criteria that you suggested, right?
That they believe in our values, they kind of ascribe to it.
benny johnson
But they don't.
They don't.
Somalia has the highest coefficiency for cousin marriages in the world.
unidentified
I know.
benny johnson
That's according to the UN.
Right.
unidentified
I agree with what you're saying.
benny johnson
And also, child brides is totally accepted in Somalia because that's how you actually join clans together, right?
Or keep your clan strong.
It is when the president says it's a country without any laws, without any police, he's right.
And so, I mean, if you could look at some of the data in Somalia, you'd say, no, I don't want to actually visit that.
And I wish we would apply that rule to who we let into this country.
If you wouldn't like the country that they built, where they're from, why would we want to bring that culture here?
There are cultures that are incompatible with Western civilization.
As a Christian, that doesn't mean I think they're less than human, okay?
As many jokes that I make, you know, I'm getting in trouble with a theologian, you're going to get in trouble with the Pope.
Jeez, man, we got a tough role tonight.
But that doesn't mean that I have to let them come here and be my master in the land that my forefathers built.
unidentified
Cool.
Thank you.
benny johnson
It's okay to be proud to be in America.
It's okay to want America to stay America.
It really is.
Brandon Gill just said this on my show.
It's okay to say, America isn't hearing the Muslim call to prayer, wake me up every morning.
America isn't the caste system in my children's schools.
That's not America.
It's okay to say that.
unidentified
Yeah.
benny johnson
Sorry for the long answer.
My apologies.
But thank you for the question.
unidentified
Mr. Tom Homan, my question is for you.
I want to preface the question by saying I have a lot of respect for you and the dedication and the service that you've given to this country.
Out of all three speakers, you're the only one I didn't boo for.
So there we go.
My question for you is specifically the administration's response.
Sorry, Benny.
Sorry, Benny.
That's okay, bro.
benny johnson
Roast me.
That's why we're up here.
unidentified
I booed Ladder for Ken Paxson, if that makes you think.
benny johnson
Well, I'm not running for Senate, I promise.
unidentified
I never will.
So, my question is specifically in response to the administration's response to the killing of Alex Preddy in Minnesota.
So, the biggest issue that I have with that, obviously beyond the actual act itself, which we all saw the video, right?
There was a protester, you know, upwards to 15 ICE agents gathered around him.
They disharmed him about five seconds before he was shot and killed.
That's extremely concerning to someone who believes in limited government and who believes in civil liberties.
And the biggest concern of that was that day, like they didn't even try to investigate what happened, Christy Noam and Stephen Miller put out tweets saying that this guy was a domestic terrorist.
I believe it was Stephen Miller who said he was trying to do maximum harm to law enforcement, right?
It reminds me of the George Orwell quote in 1984 the party told you to project your eyes and ears.
We all saw the video, we all saw what happened, and the administration's gut response by top officials was to immediately deny any accountability for what happened.
And I understand that he, you know, there's videos of him kicking cars.
I understand that.
All of that is irrelevant.
The man was disarmed, we saw the gun taken off of his body, and then he was subsequently shot by upwards to 15 ICE agents around him.
And then, rightfully, the president pulled Greg Bovino and put you there and that made me happy.
I believe that you are a professional and I respect the work that you do, but is the administration ever going to take accountability and are those ICE agents that shot and murdered that man ever going to be held accountable?
tom homan
Okay, so I can't speak for Christine Armstrong, I'll speak for myself.
After those shootings, I get a phone call from President Trump that they need to go to Minnesota and fix some things and de-escalate.
I didn't ask him to Minnesota.
The president sent me there the very next day.
I can tell you that the deaths that occurred up there are tragedies and unfortunate.
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tom homan
But they're being investigated.
I can assure you the FBI is investigating.
Matter of fact, that day I landed in L.A., the day of the shooting, I landed in L.A., and I was doing an interview.
I think it was CBS News.
I didn't know about it.
I showed up to the set to do the interview, and the first thing he did is he put a TV screen in front of me and said, watch this video.
And it was the Renee Good video.
It says comments.
And I says, I'm not going to comment.
I says, it needs to be investigated.
And we'll hold people that violate law and policy accountable.
I'm not going to comment on an ongoing investigation.
As a career cop, you just don't do that.
And I said, there's probably 100 cell phone videos.
There's probably ring cameras.
There's going to be body cam.
I said, it'd be inappropriate for me to give you my opinion.
on one video because I don't want to sway any investigator.
I want the investigation to play out.
I can tell you that when I was up there, I met with the U.S. Attorney and I can tell you there's an investigation you're ongoing.
And I've done this my whole career.
If someone violated the law, they need to be held accountable.
And we'll see what plays out.
I'm not involved in the internal investigation myself.
The FBI has it along with internal affairs from ICE and they're running the investigation.
I stand by if someone violates the law, they need to be held accountable.
And we'll see what comes out of the investigation.
unidentified
Thank you.
tom homan
Thank you.
unidentified
Hello, my question is for Benny.
So at Charlie's memorial, you shared how your faith in Christ became more personal over time.
Could you just talk about how that relationship shaped or challenged your faith?
And as a young man who looks up to Charlie a lot, what advice would you give on pursuing a godly marriage, building a family, and serving our country just as Charlie always talked about, especially during moments when living that out can be challenging?
Yes.
benny johnson
Do you want to be a father one day?
unidentified
Are you a father?
I'm not a father yet, but I would like to.
benny johnson
Maybe tonight.
I don't know if you're married or not.
If you're married, if you're married is what I'm saying, okay?
Charlie is scowling down at me from heaven, like, tell him he has to be married, because that's what he would tell me.
When I met Charlie, I was an alcoholic.
You know, I was like a, I live in DC.
DC is a scumbag place, okay?
Ton of scumbags there.
Dirt bags, you know, all these people.
They're masking something.
You don't go to DC because you're.
Someone who could make it in your hometown.
You don't go to DC because you have a skill.
You go to DC because you're a degenerate, you're power hungry, and you're a goblin.
You're not right.
It's why all the theater kids wind up in DC.
All these AOCs, you know, their little arms.
You know, theater kids, I wind up in DC.
And I sort of fell into that culture.
tom homan
But disregard the fact I'm going to DC tomorrow morning.
unidentified
What the hell?
benny johnson
I stay out of DC.
I would speak at these turning point events, and Charlie recruited me to come.
And to run Turning Point Productions.
And this was very early in the Trump administration, and I said yes.
And he witnessed into my life.
And it was like having an angel speak to me.
And I had a, like, I think many people had sort of fallen away from the church, had fallen away from my foundations.
And I think that perhaps there's many people in this audience that deal with that, especially when you.
Move out of the house.
And instead of judging me and instead of scolding me, or instead of, you know, because Charlie was teetotal, right?
You know, Charlie would order me a beer, right?
And we were at the airport and we were waiting for a flight.
And would slowly witness to my life and knowing that the power of God is stronger than anything and than any single vice.
And the moment that I got married, Charlie would text me constantly, Are you going to have kids?
You should have kids.
You should have kids.
Charlie, stay out of my bedroom.
All right?
You're being such a Republican right now.
But he was right, actually.
Because there's nothing worse.
I think if there's any fathers in the room, fathers down here.
Is it the worst thing on earth is having a newborn and a hangover at the same time?
That is the single worst experience in life.
You actually quit drinking.
You can't do both.
You cut out, if you are a moral person, if you have a shred of it, having that child, seeing, witnessing that angel being given to you by God, which is what happens when you hold your newborn baby.
I don't cry.
I'm not a crier.
I don't cry.
You can play me any movie.
I don't cry.
I sobbed at the birth of all four of my children.
And I hope to have five.
I hope to have six.
I hope to have ten more children, quite honestly.
Because it's like witnessing the promise of God.
It's like witnessing God giving you an angel, and it centers your life and it connects you.
And Charlie was so wise on this, and he saw it clearly.
He lived it out in his own life of being a father.
But this is what truly saved me.
I mean, truly.
Now I am a regular churchgoer.
I bring my children to Sunday school.
I am so proud of my faith.
I never talked about my faith.
I'm not saying I was ashamed of it, but it was never part of my life.
And it was Charlie Christ centering me.
Now, I got to see it up close.
But what Charlie did with his maybe 20, 25 million social media following, with his TikTok, with his massive audiences, he was preaching that to millions of young men.
And when I show you those graphs of young men rejoining the church, if I show you a chart right now from Gallup, which is the most accurate pollster in America, that says the number one priority for young men who voted for Donald Trump is get married and start a family.
That's the legacy of Charlie Kirk.
That's Charlie Kirk living today.
And saving this nation with his work.
That's why he's a true Christian martyr.
I just got to experience it firsthand.
Final thing I'll say on this, because it's such a personal question and thank you for asking, is there will never be a greater thing that you will do in your life.
There's Andrew Tate and there's all these people, looks maxers, I don't know, whatever, whatever the new trend is.
It's always about getting your rocks off, never getting married, like disrespecting women.
Disrespecting marriage itself and viewing children as a burden.
That's how you know it is straight from the pit of hell.
God's design for your life is to be in that marriage with those children because that will be truly what accelerates you in life.
You want a 10X?
It's not buying Bitcoin, okay?
10Xing is falling in love, having children, and raising those American children on this sweet dark earth.
It is a beautiful experience here in this country.
It is something that has driven your ancestors to make this land great.
And then they live through you in that experience.
It's something that connects you to the great divine and the beyond.
And that is the structure of the family.
God knew it and he set it up.
It's like he knew what he was doing when he made that unit.
And it saved many men's lives.
I'm just one of them, deeply, deeply humbled to have been able to be witnessed to by Charlie like that.
But for you, I just humbly and very inarticulately pass on this message that that is the way to accelerate and structure your life.
Please do not be fearful of it.
Please do not blackpill on these incredible, ordained, divine institutions of marriage and raising children and being a father.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
benny johnson
I don't know if that's the last.
The cue card says that that's the last question that we have.
I don't know if that's the last one that we want to end on.
I guess it's up to the team here.
unidentified
We need two more.
benny johnson
Two more, okay.
unidentified
Hi, this is for Mr. Tom Homan.
Thank you very much for coming.
So I am legally Canadian.
This is kind of on the subject of family.
But I've lived here for 99% of my life with my family on my dad's work visa.
But until a few years ago, when we finally got our green cards after over a decade, my own mother couldn't work.
And I would not have been able to work when I reached the age of 16 either.
I'm looking really forward to becoming an American citizen in just a few more years.
But what would you say to people who live in America, who are legal immigrants, who are working hard and really want to become American, but have watched for many years illegal immigrants get?
Free handouts.
tom homan
Well, God bless you if you're doing things the right way.
I'm proud of you and I'm proud of your family.
The right way, you know, come in and legally assimilate and be part of the American culture and help make this country greater.
That's the goal.
And for those who cheated the system, I said it earlier, you know, I understand why people want to come to the greatest nation on earth and have a better life.
I don't hate illegal aliens.
But there's right way and wrong way to come to the greatest nation on earth.
And what they did, they cheated.
And people say, well, they've been here 20 years.
They cheated.
They put themselves in front of the line.
And that's not okay.
So, you know, that's why we need to enforce immigration law, because I said there are millions, literally millions of people going through the process to be the greatest nation, to be part of the greatest nation on earth.
You know, a true story, I was in New York City, and I was in a car, and the guy recognized me.
He was from an African nation.
And he just became a U.S. citizen.
He said, I came over here as a student, got a green card, became a U.S. citizen.
He goes, I'm trying to get my family, my wife and three sons over here.
And it's a long, drawn-out process.
He goes, I've been at it for a couple years.
And I watched this under Biden administration.
I thought I was working for Fox News, raising hell, but Biden administration.
He says, I see these thousands of people coming to the border every day being released.
I can't work off it.
Families are getting reunited over here illegally.
He goes, and some days I wake up and say, why don't I do that?
And my wife and kids can be here now.
He goes, but you know what stops me from doing it?
I love America.
That's why I became a U.S. citizen.
I want my family to do things a legal way.
So what I say to you is, first of all, God bless you for doing things the right way.
Welcome to the greatest nation on earth.
And when you become a U.S. citizen, give me an invite.
I'd love to be the one to swear you in.
benny johnson
Heartwarming.
unidentified
That was beautiful.
nicky rudd
Hi, Benny.
Hi, Tom.
Thank you both for being here.
My name is Nikki Rudd, and my question is for Benny.
Charlie Kirk was vehemently opposed to the war with Iran.
In fact, he said that it would be a catastrophic mistake.
The vast majority of Gen Z is also opposed to the war with Iran.
In 1996, the Clean Break Report was issued on behalf of then incoming Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
It listed several different countries which should be destroyed on behalf of the State of Israel.
Since then, the American military has assisted in the destruction of every regime listed except for the Iranian, which we are now at war with.
It is clear that the Israeli lobby in America has sought the destruction of the Iranian regime for decades now.
Do you believe that the Israel lobby compelled this administration and this military into attacking Iran, and do you believe that Israeli influence is a problem within our government?
benny johnson
I read a New York Times article that detailed Benjamin Netanyahu briefing President Trump in the Situation Room.
And according to our own CIA and according to Marco Rubio and the experts here in America, Benjamin Netanyahu's data and intelligence was flawed.
And I spoke out very publicly against that.
I said, you can't have people giving my president, who I voted for and I support and I voted for him three times and I love Donald Trump and I want his administration to succeed.
You cannot have him getting bad information.
That's something that shouldn't be allowed.
I cost some hell for that.
I don't care.
It doesn't matter if it's the president of China or if it's the president of Germany or if it's Benjamin Netanyahu, the president of Israel.
We should demand that our president get good and solid information.
American lives are on the line.
That was reported out.
Now, when it comes to the war in Iran, bro, I wasn't elected president.
There's some podcasters that think they were elected president and they know everything, but I'm humble enough to realize that I'm sitting at like a room temperature IQ at best, right?
I went to community college.
I couldn't get into Baylor, right?
And the seminary students wouldn't like my jokes anyway.
So I don't pretend to second guess the president on this.
I have been critical, however, on one point.
And it's a point that I talk with JD Vance about.
And it's a point that I know that there's extreme frustration with Gen Z, as you perhaps, no doubt, are a member of Gen Z or Gen Alpha, which is that America first needs to be about America.
And for that to be true, the pothole on my street where I live and I have to drive my kids around in Tampa, Florida, is more important.
Filling that pothole is more important than making a new pothole in the Middle East.
Right?
That, I think, is a very consistent America First worldview.
When you win elections, which I can show you exactly what the left plans on doing.
When they win the next election, that is why I want my side to win, and I have no other options.
I beg of the administration, and I will beg tonight, and I constantly beg the focus must be on domestic policy.
Gas prices, grocery prices, home prices.
These are the things that win generations, right?
Solving these things, getting these prices under control, are what wins you elections.
And so I don't consider myself young anymore.
I'm 39 years old.
But I do have a young family.
I do have young children.
They're American children.
I have no dual passports.
I have no little, I know, I have no land to flee and run home to, right?
There's a lot of Americans who do.
I think that's crazy.
I will live here.
I will die here.
I will put my boots in the ground here and dig my heels in for my children.
And so I view only the betterment of life in America as a chief priority.
And it's something that I implore the administration simply to focus on.
I want gas to go back down to a $2 average.
That's where it was in January.
January 1, gas was $2 average in America.
Many places it was below $2.
In Colorado, it was nearing 99 cents.
There were some stations that were close to 99 cents.
That's what I want.
I want what happened to egg prices to happen to all groceries, especially steak and beef.
Please, Texas, can you help us out with that?
But the administration has proven that they can put their shoulder into certain commodities.
They can help make them more affordable for American families, single moms, dads that are trying to make it.
Lowering Grocery Prices Like Eggs 00:02:56
benny johnson
You know, and be a father, it's tough out there, man.
It's tough.
And so, America first means my American children first.
unidentified
So, that I, yeah.
nicky rudd
I agree with you that we should be focusing on domestic issues, but we can't do so when we have a foreign lobby that's compelling us into foreign conflicts that we should be no part of.
Do you think the Israeli lobby compelled us into this war?
benny johnson
Again, I wasn't in the room.
I've been openly critical of what I saw as the best reporting out there, which was a very detailed report in the New York Times that talked about this and that said that our own intelligence agencies said that there were flaws in the information that was given.
To the president.
I've been openly critical about that.
But I wasn't in the room.
I fundamentally do not believe that Donald Trump gets pushed around by anybody.
And I think he's proven that time and time again in his career.
And that Trump makes the decisions.
And again, I don't know him like the honored member of the administration on stage.
I'm not as close to President Trump, but you can see in his life that the man takes in the information and makes the decision.
That's why I have advocated for that information to be as good and as airtight.
As responsible and as accurate as possible for my president to make successful decisions for my country.
unidentified
Yeah.
Yep.
That's where we're done.
All right.
benny johnson
Borders are Tom Homan, everyone.
Thank you very much.
God bless all of you.
You're in trouble with the Pope.
It was so powerful to see that man sort of in his humanity.
Even cried on stage when I asked him about why he does this.
It's something really special.
It's really neat to be able to connect with Tom afterwards and to talk about his personal faith walk and what they're going to be doing.
Here's what Tom told me backstage after this event he said, You think that the deportations are up now?
And by the way, I mean, they are.
I don't care what anybody says.
You can actually look at the data here and see what the administration's work on.
Criminal migration.
These are ICE arrests, interior deportations, jails and prisons by arrest increases, and voluntary departures from the United States of America.
Again, population of foreign born criminal aliens collapsing and a collapse, a total and complete collapse in the asylum seekers, which is a complete and total.
It's simply fraud.
It's just simple, total fraudulent operation.
There's virtually No legitimate asylum seekers.
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All of them are parasitic on our body politic.
Anyway, it was beautiful to hear Tom Holman talk about these wins, but then to talk about what's going to happen next.
And what's going to happen next, he says, is we've just doubled the number of agents, gone from 5,000 to 10,000.
You think these numbers are good now?
Wait till you see what we are about to do.
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benny johnson
In Deuteronomy, it talks about how you mustn't allow your nation to be overwhelmed by foreigners.
They will become your master and you'll become their slave.
Having a closed, secure border, a secure and clean land is a holy operation.
It is something that you should want, not because you hate anyone, but because you love the people that are your people.
God's very clear about this.
And He's also very clear in the Psalms about leaving an inheritance for your children's children.
And that is what a moral and righteous generation must do.
Leave an inheritance for your children's children.
Well, America first means my American children, I am going to protect.
First and foremost, it's the moral.
Unconscious thing.
And it's something that I look forward to doing with you as we fight on.
Thank you for joining us on this special episode of the Benny Show.
May God bless you.
We'll march on to victory.
We're winning, in spite of what some people might say.
Kamala Harris would not be a better president of the United States, ladies and gentlemen.
Thank you.
God bless you.
unidentified
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