William Herman and Billy Meyer recount alleged 1970s alien encounters, with Herman describing a 1978 meeting in Reticulum involving silver saucers, a warning against internal saboteurs, and confirmation of Frederick Valentich's safety. Herman received a metal bar token marked "MAN" and star maps, while Meyer's early Pleiadian photos were deemed authentic before later images appeared fabricated. The host notes a striking coincidence regarding both men receiving messages about a Pleiadian delegation traveling to Andromeda in 1981, suggesting a potential shared narrative despite skepticism toward Meyer's subsequent fantasy world-building. [Automatically generated summary]
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Hi, Chris.
My name is Tim, and I just re-listened to your number six podcast episode and was really interested and wanted to call.
On February 21st, 2021, I was on American Airlines flight coming from Charlotte to Las Vegas.
Either just before or just behind me at the exact same time coming over New Mexico was an American Airlines flight 2292.
Which you can reference.
There is a UFO report over New Mexico on that exact date, and the FBI took a report.
But while I was on my plane, like I said, either just before or just after this flight, I observed a white cylindrical object very similar to what you saw that looked like a piece of PVC piping flying.
I think we were at about 35,000 feet, and this was under us thousands of feet, so it was probably.
5,000 feet off the ground, flying in the opposite direction.
And I was able to look directly down at it.
It was very close to the Grand Canyon area.
There was no wings, no propulsion, no rivets, no windows.
And I reported it to the airline attendant.
And by the time I got back to my hotel, there had been a UFO report filed with the FBI.
I appreciate all you're doing.
Keep it up.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Debriefing.
My name is Chris Ramsey, and today we are going to be taking yet another look at the story of William Herman.
Bill Herman in the late 70s came forward with literally the most amount of pictures of a UFO.
And not only that, the quality of the pictures were some of the clearest we've ever seen of a flying saucer.
These beautiful silver discs being lit up during the day are not something we're normally.
Seeing a lot of.
Normally, we get these grainy, blurry nighttime shots.
Even today, with the 4K cameras and the 8K footage and the night vision and the just all the technology on our side, we still have yet to capture such amazing quality of UFOs as the likes of Bill Herman.
Now, Bill Herman had done a regression, and as many of you know, we kind of left off in a cliffhanger.
He had Wendell Stevens, the author of Contact from Reticulum, the books that we are reading, and he had him on the phone.
And he was like, Oh my God, they're here.
They're outside.
And Wendell was like, Well, I'll tell your family you're going to be safe.
Go out there.
This is just go do it for mankind.
And he kind of hung up and he was going outside to see this UFO.
That's where we left off.
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Contact from Reticulum, the story of Bill Herman, but not only Bill Herman, his friend Tony, was it Tony Parker?
I believe it was, who'd also subsequently apparently been abducted by the same beings.
And they said Tony was cool.
We're going to take him too.
All obviously sounds incredibly far fetched.
And I'm not entirely sure, like, my conviction level on this isn't.
Isn't extremely high.
I do find it interesting.
Obviously, these photos are incredible.
I own the rights to the ones that you're seeing now on the screen, which still blows my mind, and we'll be making those available for the public in the form of prints and postcards and whatnot.
So you guys can also, you know, sort of hang that up in your office or what have you.
But yes, this is an incredible story, almost unbelievable.
And when you look at the online videos that exist of interviews featuring these witnesses or Even the regression tape that's made available publicly.
I don't know what to make of it.
His body language seems a little off to me, but it's hard for me to tell whether or not that's something related to him being nervous about lying or him being nervous about the fact that he was taken by aliens.
And both, if you were to ask an expert, would kind of look identical.
So it does make it hard to discern.
Nonetheless, we continue to suspend our disbelief as we delve into this story.
Where were we?
Like this video, subscribe, hit the notification bell while you're at it, while I'm looking for this stuff here.
I think we were in the updated version.
Oh, yeah, he was given a piece of metal as well.
This piece here, I'm going to bring it up on the screen.
Kind of incredible, once again, what happened with this piece of metal.
We have yet to find out.
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Ah, yes.
So, we left off where he says, I'm going on out.
I'll call you later.
As this UFO appears outside, he hung up the phone and left me standing there, dimly realizing that this was the first in ufology.
A witness had just informed me that he is going out to meet an extraterrestrial spacecraft, a ship from another world, and I am to patiently wait for his return.
I looked at the clock, it was 12 25, Charleston time.
My worries had only begun.
I immediately called John Fielding in New York to advise him of this stupendous event, actually taking place as we talked.
It was Mind boggling.
I told him of my assurances to Bill and asked him to back me up on the promises, which he readily and promptly agreed to.
He said he could be in Charleston by noon the next day if need be.
He said he would call some friends for more backup if we needed it.
I thought that was a good idea and agreed to do the same.
My anxiety about what might be happening consumed me.
I tried Bill's telephone number to see if he backed out of the opportunity or not.
He was not too enthusiastic when it came time to go.
Maybe it was only a sighting event.
Maybe he had gotten some more photographs of the ship.
We didn't have any night photos.
The phone rang and rang, no answer.
He must still be out there.
I hung up my phone and went to the refrigerator.
I ate and paced the floor in my house, wondering what was going on.
Another half hour passed.
I tried Bill's phone again.
Still, no answer.
I tried again a half hour after that and again every half hour following.
In between those calls, I contacted benefactors who had helped me out in the UFO investigations before.
I found no lack of support, and within two hours, I could have backed up my promise several fold.
I kept calling and was becoming elated over the possibility that he had decided to undertake a longer trip with them this time, if he had gotten aboard.
I was well prepared to put the plan in motion by 6 a.m. if I failed to make contact with him before then.
At about 4 40 a.m., I received a call from Bill Herman in Charleston.
He got home about 20 minutes before then and made a pitcher of Kool Aid and a few notes, and then made this call.
Not the first thing I would have done after being dropped off by aliens, but who knows?
Maybe that's exactly what I'd be craving a pitcher of Kool Aid.
He got an abort, alright.
He had followed the glowing object in his car, taking telepathic directions from the ETs to an abandoned sand quarry.
There, he came to a stop and parked his car and got out.
The now dimly luminous flying object approached to within 10 to 20 feet above the pit area.
The dark silver object stopped about 50 feet away.
It was slowly rotating in a counterclockwise direction.
A circular halo of silver orange light stood off a little from the undersurface of the metallic looking machine.
He became apprehensive and wanted to run, but he was unable to do so.
Then he felt something telling him to relax.
And he trustingly was able to do as requested.
Then a beam of aquamarine light extended slowly from the side of the disc near the bottom, and he felt himself being tugged upward.
He was determined to remain aware of everything this time.
And he succeeded in doing so to a point, but then, despite his determination, he went through a period of semi darkness.
And then he was awake.
So, this is interesting.
As you see in the depiction here, and this is March 18th, 1978, you know, three years after the famed abduction of Travis Walton, but a similar picture is being depicted where he's kind of being beamed up, so to speak.
I wonder, you know, this must be one of the earliest cases of this sort of tractor beam effect happening to an abductee.
Aquamarine was also the color, I think, the blue light.
That he remembered initially from his first abduction experience.
He was lying down on the same table as before, and the flashing of the bar of lights above was slowing down.
Three of those same extraterrestrial beings were standing by him, just to his right.
Immediately, he recognized them.
They were the same ones he had seen before.
He tried to sit up but couldn't.
He still felt disoriented.
He lay there a moment, and just as he started to ask about this confusion, everything came into focus and he recovered complete normality again.
The one who seemed to be in charge mentioned for him to sit up, and then he spoke.
Bill could hear him clearly, but his lips didn't move.
Herman noticed a small emblem on the left breast of his one piece suede like suit.
It looked like a serpent standing on its tail with wings.
The voice was very similar.
These were the same occupants as those of the 18 March 1978 abduction.
He felt relieved.
Oh, hold on.
So, this depiction is of the 18th of March.
I see.
Okay.
He wanted to hold everything there and demand an explanation.
He experienced a surge of hysteria as he thought, no one will ever believe this.
No one.
The voice of the leader relaxed and calmed him down.
After much time, we meet again.
We have initiated this contact for reasons and will explain.
Come.
You may be at ease.
We trust the air you breathe is adequate and you are acceptant of our presence.
In this, you have shown indication and promise.
Bill looked around.
Everything was the same as before the bar of lights, the curved walls, the examining table, the doorway, but the box on wheels was missing and nowhere to be seen.
That was the only thing that was different.
He thought to himself, this must be the same object.
And to his surprise, the leader said, Yes, this is the same vehicle as before, assigned to this geographical sector.
We will be traveling for a short amount of time together.
We trust the time and the experience will not upset or disturb your activities.
We did not come at a disagreeable time.
We thought it was agreeable.
We walked out of the room into this is wild.
Could you imagine for a second if this is real?
Like, how would you react in this scenario?
I suppose, you know, you kind of asked for it.
You've got no choice but to play along.
We walked out of the room into the hallway and turned left.
Everything was the same the walls, the floors, the lighting, everything.
We walked into the control center and the room occupied by the three other individuals.
It was alive with activity.
I walked toward the checkerboard of flashing lights.
The blocks of the checkerboard were comprised of hundreds of little dots, raised and forming a square.
The knobs and levers seemed to consist of plexiglass material, almost crystal in appearance.
The tracks the chairs were on were similar to aluminum, and the tubular instrument looked like crystal and copper combined together.
I looked all around the room and was amazed by the organized and sterile looking environment.
Everything was so clean, so new.
Okay, before we read on, I want to pause here and look at this little image.
We have very, what seems like extremely high tech equipment for the time, nonetheless, still reminiscent of.
A 70s depiction of a science fiction scene or scenario.
The writing above the door, as you see here, which might be addressed, looks not dissimilar from the writing that he was sort of throwing down on paper during those automatic writing sessions.
Their arms seem incredibly long too, don't they?
The scanning of the chest, this is something that comes up quite a bit, but I can't help but see this whole picture might be how you would depict this environment in that time.
Now, either one, this is some type of figment of Bill's imagination for whatever reason, whether he knows it or not, two, The aliens' technology is evolving alongside ours, which would explain the retro sci fi look here.
Or, three, maybe the aliens created this scene in order to sort of psyop our friend William here into thinking that this is indeed, you know, some alien ship when maybe the reality of it is much simpler or something.
I don't know.
All very interesting.
Obviously, you know, Occam's Razor points to.
This is imaginative, but what if it isn't?
It says here under the photo after his first involuntary abduction aboard the extraterrestrial spaceship in a beam of coherent bluish white light, Bill Herman woke up lying on an examining table with a bar of blinking colored lights above him, slowing down, and three very strange little human like creatures in the room staring at him.
They all were wearing one piece dark reddish body fitting suits like our winter underwear.
He saw no buttons, snaps, or closures on any of these little coverall suits.
Little beings were shutting down some machinery evidently used in the examination.
He thought they looked a little like overgrown fetuses.
One of them invited Herman to get down off the table and then took him on a tour of the ship.
So, also, the rod he's holding is very familiar.
The suits being dark orange fits a description that Travis Walton famously gave.
I asked Travis if there were emblems that he remembers seeing, and he said, no insignia, no emblems of any kind that he remembers.
That was one of the things I was looking forward to talking to Travis Walton about, was Bill Herman's case.
And when I brought it up, Travis seemed interested, but to, I guess, maybe just a little I don't know how to put it, but he's been talking about his own story for 50 years, and he almost seemed uninterested in everything regarding UFOs, his story included.
I don't know.
I guess maybe after 50 years, I'd feel a little saturated as well.
The leader seemed to be watching my reaction.
He spoke.
We were very upset by the near collision with the Earth aircraft when it was vectored into our magnetic field.
We were content no loss of life was incurred.
We were impressed by the preventative measures taken.
We, as well, have taken the steps to ensure the remoteness of a reoccurrence.
The activities of our vehicles at the bottom of your planet were given much attention by those humans involved in the sightings and activities.
We were rather amused at the explanations offered.
I wondered if he was referring to the New Zealand UFO sightings and thought to myself, I wonder if they know much about Valentich.
I was very much surprised at the leader's next words Yes, the pilot of the aircraft is safe with our network at his own desire and wish.
It is up to him to decide his return.
Whoa.
Is it Frederick Valentich, the famous Australian pilot, a young man, not but I think early 20s, who radioed in this large object that was following him, that was above him, and kind of a distress call when all of a sudden he went missing and his plane was never to be found again?
The Frederick Valentich Case00:02:12
Case opened and never closed.
The story of Frederick Valentich is haunting, especially when you hear the tape.
There's also this depiction in Close Encounters of the Third Kind as near the end of the movie, there are a bunch of people sort of taken out of this flying saucer.
And they seem to be dressed up as like young pilots, but time hasn't moved for them.
And I wonder if one of those might be representing Valentich, but who knows?
This is Bill Herman, by the way.
This is Bill Herman's thoughts that the being was reading.
This isn't Wendell Stevens.
So, Bill Herman.
Was very much aware of UFO lore, I suppose, at least as much as knowing the story of Fred Valentage here.
So that does raise a little flag, I suppose.
A thousand questions filled my thoughts.
Your questions are many.
Do you wish them all answered?
Do you wish rather to see once again the instruments and machinery that exist within this craft?
Inside the Alien Ship00:05:12
You are free to go wherever you wish to go.
Your questions are compounded with your attempt at comprehension.
Very promising, very indicative of your abilities.
What does that mean?
Your questions are compounded with your attempt at comparison.
Sounds very poetic.
After about 20 minutes, we left the room I was told was the navigational area.
The leader reached out and touched the scroll like transparent sheets.
He raised the sheet and placed it up against the screen.
A cluster of multitudes of stars was visible in 3D effect.
This is your solar system, your Milky Way.
These are your planets, this is your Earth.
He touched a colored button and the 3D image was blown up.
The Earth was transparent, and the land masses, oceans, lakes, rivers, visible.
I was astounded.
Another touch and cities were visible in the screen.
Like flickering lights of candles.
He moved the sheets and then another cluster and multitude of stars was visible.
He motioned to the left of the sheet.
The source of our origin, you humans call Reticulum, is situated as a small diamond of stars midway between Canopus and Corinna and Akhenar and Eridanus.
Well, Eridanus is that star that we talked about with that whistleblower.
The 65,000 humans that were taken to a separate planet as a bit of a test from.
You know, our creators, as it were.
There are five stars in the constellation Reticulum.
We come from two of them.
A supernova implosion occurred eons ago, with implications cataclysmic in proportion.
A similar implosion has been observed by human astronomers in recent months.
We too observed its movements.
Come, we will be meeting friends shortly.
Friends?
Excuse me?
We walked out of the room and proceeded back to the control center.
Another occupant walked past us in the opposite direction.
He seemed to be going about his business.
I looked back at him and my eyes fell on his shoes.
The shoes seemed pullover boots, a cross between sneakers and boots.
No laces, no zippers, just pullover boots, pants tucked into the top, military style.
The same held true for the leader and the others.
As we walked into the control room, the checkerboard was solid silver in color.
The leader motioned me to the desk on the right of the panel.
A cross between a TV screen and an open window was located in the center of the desk.
The starlit sky was visible, and a silver disk of light moved closer into view.
It was another object, like this, in flight, only it looked much larger, immense.
The leader spoke matter of factly.
Below you, you will observe a rendezvous with a similar observance vehicle.
It has come from an area you call South America.
You will immediately perceive its size differential.
It is conducting experiments in hydrodynamics at a location called the Salado River.
Humans in the city of Rosario observed the ship on an experiment testing activity.
It was only observed for a brief moment of time, and the sighting will soon be forgotten.
Probably identified and explained as an aircraft from the area of Santa Fe.
Wait, what year was this?
78?
I'll be right back.
Well, just so happens that in the auction that I previously talked about in the last episode, I purchased a lot of these photos.
There was one from Santa Fe.
Now, Santa Fe, Argentina, 1977.
And yeah, sure enough, looks like one of those top hat UFOs, something that actually showed up quite a few times in several photos that I have.
Very interesting indeed.
Also, really cool that there's like this 3D sort of effect that he keeps talking about with the console.
I think, I don't know if that's too far ahead of, you know, it's late 70s, early 80s.
I mean, Isaac Asimov has pretty much rounded all the corners in terms of what's possible in science fiction.
So, this is nothing new in terms of an idea.
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Amazed by the information he told me.
I looked at the size of the ship and its shape.
The stars moved slowly past, almost at a crawl, as the two objects continued on.
By two, I mean the one I stood in and this larger disk.
The leader then walked a few steps behind me and moved a chair just behind me, seemingly for my comfort, and I nodded, thanks, and sat down.
In vain, or so it seemed, I asked once again, Why show me?
If you only knew how many others wish to see and confirm the things I see.
I was just cut off, not rudely, but patiently, almost with graciousness.
We have initiated this contact with you for the benefit of those interested.
Your request to be placed near your associate is considered inappropriate.
Perhaps at a later date.
Yes, we will continue our contact with you by way of direct observance procedures, meaning face to face contact as now.
As I said before, you manifest patience and deliberation, qualities acceptable to the network.
You must, however, guard your actions.
There are those operatives within your investigative organizations who work for the suppression, who work not for your benefit, but solely for your demise.
They seek in vain to destroy any chance or hope of contact.
You encountered those operatives when the bar was carried by you to your associate.
We were unable to ensure his safety, and you, by your deliberation, ensured yours.
And the information you received, the intersectional data, was preliminary to much more to come.
You will be a benefit, a factor in future preparations.
By your actions and the safeguarding actions of your associates, you have done much to improve the continued possibilities of contact.
It is not up to me, but rather will be left up to the network consensus.
You do have our recommendation and support.
Your associate, whom you talked with this night, evening, will observe our vehicles in operation at a later date.
He will be notified.
We have means to notify those we wish to notify anytime, anywhere.
Patience will be his reward.
In regard to the bar, we have been authorized to give solely and without favor to you.
It, as was stated, is a gift of respect and appreciation.
You are one of the few to receive such a bar.
Guard Your Actions Carefully00:04:09
It has much value to us, though it is regarded worthless to you, and when value is estimated according to your primitive measure of comprehension.
To decipher the meaning is to understand our meaning.
This all sounds, I mean, I'm not, I'm on the fence here because this whole like you're the chosen one type deal is a little convenient.
But also, I want to know what happened to this bar.
What's going on?
Did we miss a part?
Did we skip something?
We're going to have to look into that after, folks.
I wondered aloud where we were.
And as if to answer, the leader spoke.
There is no need to inculcate.
Inculcate?
I really got to look up this word.
It keeps coming up here.
Also, how good is Bill Herman's memory that he can recall an entire briefing from this alien?
Oh, inculcate.
Unculcate.
Oh, you guys probably reamed me in the last video.
I'm recording this before even watch, before the other one's posted.
So I probably mispronounced that one and butchered it.
But we learned.
And what does this mean exactly?
Quick word of advice for anybody reading out there.
This is good practice.
If you don't know a word, don't pretend you know it.
You're not serving, you're not doing anyone any favors, including yourself.
Look it up.
That's what it's there for.
Teach and impress by frequent repetitions or.
Values into younger.
Okay.
Okay.
So, just like to repetitively teach someone is to uncle Kate.
It's a good word.
I might use it from now on.
Look for that word to appear on a podcast near you.
Once I'm a guest, I'm going to pull like a Jesse Michaels and pull one of these wild words out and just leave you dumbfounded.
He does that, by the way.
I appreciate it because I get to learn where I'm editing the podcast and I'm like, what the heck does that mean?
My turn, baby.
All right.
Also, sorry, sorry for keep, I keep droning on, but the whole like, oh, there are people who are basically within your organization.
And like, it all seems very convenient that you're like calling out, like, he might have people in his crosshairs, you know what I mean?
Before, and just noted, I'm still, you know, not judging.
I'm just saying this also, Sort of lowers conviction a little bit.
For me, anyways.
There is no need to unculcate.
Unculcate?
How is it unculcate if it's an I?
That's what they're saying here, though, huh?
Unculcate, yeah.
Inculcate.
Oh, no.
Inculcate.
It's U H N G, sounds like.
I'm not even kidding.
If you write the word in, inculcate, inculcate.
Man.
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We're learning.
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There is no need to inculcate loss of memory in regard to this evening's occurrences and events.
Is that the right meaning of the word in this sentence?
Wouldn't it be incur?
There's no need to incur loss of memory in regard.
All right, I'm moving on.
All right, I'm over it.
A fact will be your ability to recall.
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Would you wish to observe the lights of your manned spacecraft center complex?
I looked at the screen.
Off to the left, you will observe what is called Florida, and there is your assembly area building.
Toys that delight our interest.
It is ironic that your space center is near an ocean.
Where we come from, our operational vehicle lies near an ocean also, though consistent one fourth of water as you perceive liquid.
We will now be turning.
I looked at the screen and I was able to see the lights of a city below in the darkness.
Then there was a motion to my right, and an occupant stepped forward and bent down, looking at a set of lights in what resembled dials.
Then the occupant walked over to the leader, and both stood facing each other.
I heard an indescribable sound.
The leader looked at me, and I turned looking at him, and he spoke We are being observed by individuals below who are driving on a roadway.
I wondered who, what, where, and the leader paused, apparently watching my reaction.
It was obvious.
This turn of events was leaving me in a state of utter astonishment.
He spoke up again.
We will slow down so you can observe reactions to our presence.
You may find it interesting.
I looked down at the instruments as the checkerboard lit up and grew bright.
The occupants in the room moved back and forth in an organized pattern.
A slight humming sound was heard in an echo like sound.
I couldn't hear where it came from.
Again, the leader spoke.
The screen showed a Pinto station wagon in front and a Buick Electra behind it.
Both cars pulled off the road.
A lady was standing at the driver's side of the Pinto, and a man was standing on the driver's side of the Buick.
The screen then moved up to a close up picture.
I felt less than five feet away.
The look on the faces will be with me for a long time.
The leader spoke.
Do you recall such wonder expressed?
We will now move upward.
Notice the change in their expressions as we move forward.
Observe the woman get into her car.
The man will do likewise.
Even though inside the object, I couldn't detect motion, sure enough, the woman ran around to the passenger side and jumped in, locking her door.
The man calmly opened his door and got in, locking the door.
This is wild.
So he's showing Bill and he's pointing to people that are pointing at the saucer.
And he's like, look at their reactions, these humans.
This is absolutely wild.
This is, yeah, this is kind of nuts.
It says artist Jacques P. Drabier's impression of the scene aboard the alien ET spacecraft when the Reticulean being showed Bill Herman a scene on the ground below them where their ship had been spotted by people in two cars who had stopped and gotten out for a better look.
Bill was shown how to adjust the device to zoom in on the scene for a close up look.
This all seems very anthropomorphic to me, this technology, but alas, we continue.
So the leader speaks again.
A two foot scanning will show her holding the lock down.
The men will just sit and watch.
A useless gesture on their part if we wish to direct observe.
But this is not our purpose.
We will now continue on our way.
We are now coming up over your home state.
I was then motioned to come with the leader.
I walked up towards the doorway.
We walked away and then walked into the closet like room, and the back door closed.
And after four or five seconds, it opened directly in front of us, and we were in a propulsion area.
It was identical to the room I saw on March 18th, thus adding to my confirmation that this vehicle was the same one as before.
I asked about the propulsion and was told that I couldn't comprehend it, even if it was explained to me in physical formula a combination of gravity slash eco.
Equilibrium manipulation by electromagnetic energy mass conversion within a unified field of positive and negative particle beam fusion based on principles beyond your present technological capability, he said.
Well, that sounds an awful lot like what we're trying to dissect here with this technology.
So, points for Bill explaining the technology that he witnessed.
We then walked out of the propulsion area into the closet like area, and after about five seconds, walked out and back into the hallway.
Walking back down the hallway, we turned into the inculcation chamber, the examining room, and I was asking questions about the energy used to operate the vehicle.
The leader spoke quite emphatically.
It is a paradox that your society loses energy resources.
The multitudes of lights that use energy continue to operate even after the light of your sunrise.
In that regard, your energy resources are many, but your scientists seem to ignore the most beneficial source.
But enough, our time together is over.
I was motioned to lie down.
The leader took my right arm and, in an apparent gesture of friendship, concluded our conversation.
The transference beam will place you near your car.
We trust this mutual exchange of information has been agreeable.
Remember our words, weigh them carefully.
Go and rest.
We will meet again.
The bar of lights on the ceiling began flashing 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.
There was an intense feeling of relaxation.
And the next thing I knew, I was standing next to my car and the disc was rising upward slowly.
This is the bottom view of the disc.
So there's this corona that did not touch the ship, this circle of light that was floating underneath it.
Very interesting.
And it had an orange light glow, and the above disc was shimmering near bluish.
Okay.
And then it had flashing and spinning lights.
Just a whole light show going on here.
And what's interesting too is that you have the top going one way, apparently, like rotating one way, and the bottom part, or at least the three sorry, the three bell shaped protrusions underneath of it rotating the opposite way.
And this is something, you know, we heard from Udo Ortena.
It's something we hear time and time again from a lot of stories that, you know, there's this counter rotation that might have something to do, you know, with the propulsion.
Interesting.
Well, Let's see what Colonel Stevens makes of this.
The other disc was at a higher altitude.
Then the two discs maneuvered next to each other, and both then, in a blur of soundless motion, were gone.
I stood there, all alone, listening to the silence.
A feeling of relief and great thirst came over me.
I got in my car and drove home.
When I got home, it was 4 15 to 4 20 a.m.
I don't recall exactly, but I called Wendell Stevens in Tucson.
And drank two pitchers of Kool Aid, took a shower, and went to bed.
I was emotionally drained.
This bothered me.
And that ended Bill's summary of the second abduction, this time voluntary, a trip which he willingly undertook to try to get more information.
I myself was greatly relieved also, and was happy to make all the calls necessary to call off the arrangements made earlier in case Bill had an opportunity to stay longer.
Much like Valentitch's opportunity.
The sightings and the telepathic transmission continued at a frequency of nearly twice per week for some time.
He also continued to receive the strange symbols in the alien written form by automatic writing, but was still unable to read it.
During these extensive conversations Bill had with the ETs, the alien ETs, he never saw their mouths open at any time, even when they were talking, though he was sure he was hearing the sounds with his ears and not telepathically, which he was by now familiar with.
He heard those sounds audibly, like surround stereo.
We discussed the possible use of a translator device that converted their speech to our language and broadcast it through speakers, but he saw no evidence of any speaker system.
He looked closer at the ET's hands this time and not only confirmed the earlier observation but added to it.
They did not have fingernails, and the fingers seemed to be extended and retracted at will.
Ew.
Gross.
The ends of the fingers were slender and slightly curved.
They were articulated differently, also, and although slender when extended, seemed strong for their size.
Ew, their gangly little thin, long fingers can stretch out.
Gross.
The instrument panels aboard the ship did not have switches and knobs like those we are accustomed to, but more like touch panels.
Ooh, that's interesting.
That's interesting.
Now we're talking about technology that's definitely ahead of its time.
The meters were different, but not, but more of a kind of moving waves of light in 3D.
These instruments seemed to present multiple information in a simultaneous display.
During the last week of August 1981, my co investigator in an extensive UFO contactee case taking place in the western part of Switzerland was visiting the contactee and his friends and associates, again rechecking details.
And picking up new contact data for our record, Lee Elders was staying at the farm of Edward J. Meyer, where he intended to meet some new witnesses in that Swiss case.
As the international director of an Arizona based industrial counter espionage firm, Intercept, he was covering two projects in the one trip from Switzerland.
He would go to London to bid a security project in that country.
So we're talking about Billy Meyer here.
This is interesting.
At one point, in one of the long private discussions he carried on with Meyer, he asked about any perceptible change in the nature and frequency of the contacts Meyer was having with some beings who told him they came from a star pattern which we call Pleiades.
We had already observed cyclic patterns of activity, and Lee was really seeking to find out where in the cycles we were at that time.
Meyer responded that the contacts had been coming fairly frequently of late, but that there would be an interruption for a while.
On the last visit, his contact had told him that their operations over Earth would be curtailed for a time because they, the Pleiadians, were going to a meeting in the Andromeda Galaxy concerning affairs in the sector of our galaxy, which also included our solar system and Earth.
Only a small standby team would carry on operations on a very limited scale until the return of the delegation.
Well, good to know.
I'm glad we know all these things.
You know, it's important so that we don't get worried when the aliens stop showing up.
This piece of insignificant information stunned and amazed me when I heard it.
For it so happened that while he was gone, I'd finished up and delivered my extensive report, UFO Contact from Reticulum, a report of investigation, a 416 page, hard bound book on a single UFO contact case taking place in Charleston,
South Carolina, to the printer in Phoenix, and then, after receiving Two more recent contact notes from the Reticulans to Bill Herman, which seemed to be important enough to immediately prepare an addendum and rush it to Phoenix to be added as the last pages in the book.
I had done exactly that, and the book was now on the press.
Now it was his turn to be flabbergasted and astonished as I read to him a part of the second of those last two messages, mechanically transmitted through a telepathic process to William Herman.
That message was received in Charleston the evening.
Of 29th of August 1981, and in part reads as follows.
This is from the first book of UFO Contact from Reticulum.
Cultivation of accumulated data implemented into network vehicle operations.
Individual scale increased.
Geophysical analysis integrated into current systems.
Protective measures enhanced accordingly.
Expedition to Andromeda stellar system approved by decision of network eldership.
Earth operations discontinued for stated period.
Whoa.
Wait, you're telling me that Bill Herman.
Had this message before anyone was made aware of Meyer saying that the Pleiadians had to go to Andromeda on like business.
That's kind of wild, if true.
That's kind of crazy.
Also, the language seems very robotic and not unlike, you know, Jim Peniston or even Jeremy Weeks.
The translations of the transmissions that they've received were also quite sterile in nature.
Oh, this is interesting.
I'm interested in this.
I like this.
I like the idea that aliens have to go on business meetings as well.
I think that that's, uh, Very human of them, and I appreciate their humanity.
I like the idea of a Star Trek universe, of a federation being out there, you know, with hierarchy and like oversight.
And I feel like that's something my mind can comprehend.
I'm also aware that the reality is probably far more complex and fantastical than I could ever put together in my little brain.
But this is a fun way to digest it.
This was truly astounding.
The Pleiadians and these beings from Reticulum were both curtailing operations over the Earth at the same time and for some time, and were both going to a meeting in Andromeda on affairs concerning this sector of the galaxy.
Was this merely coincidence, or were they on similar business?
There has been other evidence that both separate groups of ET visitors are aware of each other.
The first of these last messages received four days before.
The 25th of August 1981 contained the following.
Data is integrated into a network lexicon, and implications involving the subject are determined.
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Conclusions are then transmitted throughout the network.
The network communications with planetary intergalactic prevalent existing life forms is based upon universal and inter universal committee.
Recognition of inter universal principles and organizational thought is directed primarily towards preservation of the evolutionary spectrum and advancement of the human civilizations.
Whoa!
These are things that we're, oh my gosh, that is crazy.
Hold on.
This is 81.
Is this prior to?
This isn't prior to Jim Penniston, is it?
Isn't Penniston 1980?
December 1980.
December 1980, but those messages weren't decoded till years later.
So we don't know.
Yeah.
Well, it seems like this came first.
So if anything, if untrue, Jim Penniston would have borrowed from this, but if true, this would be the originator.
Because listen to this.
Advancement and preservation, the preservation of evolutionary spectrum and the advancement of human civilizations.
This is the exact language used in both the Jeremy Weeks and the Jim Pennison stuff.
This is wild.
Wild if true.
My goodness.
Interference into the entire direction of the planetary scale of the selected planet is prohibited.
All right, par for the course there.
A violation concerning this inter universal committee will result in the total erratification of the responsible life form.
The penalty of violation is beyond reversal.
A rescindation and compromise.
The Pleiadian race has agreed, as have the Council of Dorado and the Horologium Assembly.
The eldership and the other quadri universal representatives are in full and complete agreement with all tenets of inter universal committee.
The forthcoming observance of network vehicles will be manifest.
The network has monitored the progress of inculcated data and resultant documentation.
More astounding to me as an investigator is the reference to the Council of Dorado and the Horologium Assembly, terms assigned after correlation by their lexicon, apparently other associated space traveling entities like the network.
So now we have at least those three known to each other, and also known to the Pleiadian visitors to Switzerland who are part of still another association of space travelers.
When I asked Bill Herman what the Council of Dorado And the Horologium assembly were, he said he did not know, but would try to get more information on them.
When I looked in the star charts, I found that Dorado and Horologium are the neighboring star systems on either side of Reticulum.
Of particular interest here, however, was the information that all three systems have an unusual percentage of G class suns, just like ours, and thus could be very similar to ours.
That certainly must merit a good deal more study by those more competent to do so.
Bill was amazed to find that it all fit together in a certain way, which he only discovered after it was put together for him.
This was a pleasant surprise to me as well.
All right, here's some notes.
I just wanted to go over the little bar here that you see in the picture.
It says this small metal bar was delivered to William Herman in a basketball sized globe of brilliant bluish white light at 5 30 p.m. in the late afternoon on the 21st of April, 1979.
It was immediately preceded by transmission of a full page of alien symbols by automatic writing from the ETs.
They said the bar was a token of their recognition of Herman's new Anbati status.
Which was not defined.
Note the symbols and placements on top of the bar.
So the metal bar was about three centimeters wide by seven centimeters long and about two and a half centimeters thick.
It was slightly smaller on top than on bottom and had eight principal symbols plus MAN recessed into the top surface.
The eight symbols were like star map symbols for the constellation reticulum, except their layout depicted that constellation as seen from a point on Earth where they would be seen at zenith overhead.
Ordinary star charts do not show them that way, because the zenith position would be over a point in the mid southern hemisphere, for which we do not make star charts here.
More details, an analysis of the metal, and a color photograph is printed in the original UFO contact reticulum by Stevens and Herman, copyright 81.
Leader was the only one with a distinguished emblem, by the way.
Fun note, didn't know?
Oh.
If you go to 12, the note here says it appeared in retrospect that the ET Leader was referring. To a sighting incident near Santa Fe, Argentina, involving one of their ships on a research project in Rio Salada, north of Santa Fe.
It made the Argentine newspapers and was finally explained away as an Argentine airplane operating in the Santa Fe area.
What the witnesses really saw was exactly what they described a 100 foot diameter circular craft coming from the north at low level and zooming up steeply.
Unaware of that sighting, Bill thought of the Valentich disappearance in Australia and switched the discussion to that.
So, this could be, I mean, this is in the exact area, but this would have been maybe a few years prior.
This is 1977.
Notice the angle as well, as if about to take off.
And a final note here it says We have not found a UFO abductee case yet where the human abductee has reported feeling inertial forces while aboard a spacecraft in flight, though he can clearly see the flight maneuvers are rather abrupt.
That's one of the things I think that baffles most people is this that the gravity inside the craft is unaffected by the gravity on the outside of the craft or whatever.
So, stranger yet is the inclusion of Billy Meyer into this lore.
Over here, let me grab this.
Colonel Stevens is no stranger to the Billy Meyer case.
This one here, printed, I think, in 1978.
And that was from, you know, the infamous Billy Meyer, where obviously the only photographs to rival, I think, Bill Herman's would be Billy Meyer's.
This one specifically.
Now, you say Billy Meyer, and there are a ton of Billy Meyer photos that look absolutely ridiculous.
And I mean, So far fetched that it's almost, it makes you question not whether or not they're authentic, they look fake 100%.
It makes you question the motive and also why his earlier photos looked so good.
Like his earlier photos, you can take to any photo expert, And there is no explanation given other than that's an object in the sky.
Looking at his later photographs, you go, what is this?
A cake?
Is this a joke?
Is this a farce?
So some would speculate that maybe something got to Billy.
Maybe the sightings got to his own head after they stopped and he needed to keep producing material.
He's got over, I think, 900 contact case stories.
Listed on some website, these ongoing contacts with these different Pleiadian beings.
At what point, you know, is it?
It's just so hard for me to know because, you know, you look at this stuff and you want to keep an open mind.
And with Billy Meyer, I keep an open mind for the earlier stuff.
I'm not going to rule out, you know, things get complicated.
And if you throw the baby out with the bathwater, you might miss something.
And I'm.
Many people are like, I don't believe Billy or I believe him.
That's fine.
If you want to put yourself in a binary situation, by all means do so if it helps you sleep at night.
It doesn't, it actually keeps me up at night.
I'd rather lower my conviction with the later photos, but then like look into some of the earlier ones that were just, they were so remarkable.
Unbelievable.
When I say unbelievable, I don't mean it in the literal sense, I mean in the figurative sense.
They looked amazing.
As a photographer, they were just incredible to look at.
Some of the best photos we've ever seen.
I think one day we'll have to open up a Billy Meyer case and look deep into some of the earlier stuff.
The later stuff I could probably do without.
There's a lot of contact stories with these, you know, Semyase and all the other Pleiadian beings, and it becomes just a little too world building.
And maybe it's true.
I just don't think I'm ready to certainly suspend my disbelief to that extent because it is, you know, borderlining a really good fantasy novel.
And although I'm, listen, I'm open minded, I got to start slow.
I got to start by dipping my toe in the water.
So maybe we'll look at that one day.
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And by the way, Billy's still around.
He's somewhere in Switzerland, I think.
Still, um, Still doing his thing.
Would be awesome to get to talk to him one day, but who knows?
We shall see.
Folks, that's all I got for you today.
I hope you enjoyed this little read through.
I'm going to take a look at this.
There might be a part three because I do believe there is another part of this story which includes his friend.
Because as the aliens told him, like, your friend's going to be contacted soon.
I think we're going to hear from that friend.
And I would love to see where the story ends up.
And it's just sort of an unfinished story for me now.
And I hope you guys feel the same.
I hope you guys enjoyed this.
I really enjoyed this story.
And I can't wait to take a deeper look into Bill Herman's past.
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