Chris Ramsay and Matilda MacElroy's 1947 Roswell encounter details a telepathic interview with Errol, an alien officer from a trillion-year-old civilization who communicated only with the flight nurse. Described as non-biological and energy-based, Errol revealed destructive thought-controlled weapons while refusing to disclose her planet's location or rescue timelines under strict non-interference orders. The transcript, written by Lawrence R. Spencer on an Underwood typewriter, suggests government secrecy protects powerful agendas, framing the event as a pivotal moment where humanity faced extraterrestrial observation without contact. Ultimately, this account challenges conventional narratives by proposing that advanced beings view Earth governments as insignificant, leaving the truth of the encounter open to interpretation between fact and fiction. [Automatically generated summary]
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Orange Meteor Crash00:03:28
2011, I'm driving to my apartment from my girlfriend's parents' house.
Me and my girlfriend are on our way home.
She starts screaming.
Next thing I know, I'm looking at a bright orange thing punching its way into the atmosphere.
I say to myself in my head, that's gotta be a meteor.
It aero breaks to a stop a thousand meters above my head.
At which point, I freak the f*** out.
This thing is stationary.
It's orange.
It's glowing.
It's on fire.
It's transparent.
The next thing it does is rock it off at a 90 degree angle.
When I say 90 degrees, I mean like dead square.
This scared the freaking hell out of me.
Anyway, that's my experience.
Have a good day.
Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Chris Ramsey, and welcome back to another episode of Debriefed.
Today is yet another beginning.
Of a document read through.
This document, however, is fascinating.
I'm completely enamored by this story.
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Is it not true?
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Securing Your Data Future00:04:49
This transcript is an excerpt from a book, a book published by Lawrence R. Spencer, who is sadly passed a few years ago.
So I would highly, highly encourage all of those watching, if you want to get the full story, as I will not be reading the entire book, please head over to the website.
I've linked it below, purchase it for yourself to support his estate or his family, and have a look for yourself so you don't miss any of the details.
So in the first chapter, Lawrence recounts his contact with Miss McElroy.
A woman who claimed to have ties to the 1947 Roswell incident in New Mexico.
She said she refused to discuss it because her life depended on it.
And once in 1988, Lawrence was able to allegedly speak to this lady on the phone.
This is when she lived in Glasgow, Montana.
He later received a handwritten letter from her in Ireland referencing his book.
But when he tried to contact her at the return address, the homeowner informed him that Mrs. McElroy and her husband had recently deceased.
And they were buried locally.
However, despite this, he could not find any official records of her existence under any name.
So, did she give a pseudonym to the landlord and to Lawrence Spencer?
Quite possible.
But it does lead us to suspect that either this is made up or the government simply erased her identity as part of the cover up.
Your guess is as good as mine, but that is where we begin.
August 12th, 2007, this is the letter from Mrs. McElroy.
Dear Lawrence, I am typing this letter to you on my old Underwood typewriter that I bought after I was discharged from the Army.
Somehow, it seems like a fitting contrast to the subject of this letter and the documents you will find enclosed in the envelope.
The last time I spoke to you was about eight years ago.
During your brief telephone interview with me, you asked me to assist you with the research of the Oz Factors book you were writing because you suspected that I might know something that would help your investigation into the possibility that extraterrestrial beings may have influenced the history of Earth.
When we spoke, I told you that I did not have any information that I could share with you about anything.
Okay, pause.
Important to note that the author, Lawrence R. Spencer, is indeed also a fictional author who writes about aliens.
Okay, I know a lot of you, this is where you check out.
This is where you go, well, I mean, that sums it up.
This guy writes books about aliens, and all of a sudden he gets some lady who says she spoke to an alien and he has the transcripts and no one else does.
Seems suspicious, absolutely.
And I concur, it is suspicious.
It's not going to stop me from listening because let's say that what he's saying is true, then I think that this is very important.
I think that the level of importance currently outweighs the possibility that this isn't legitimate.
So we must continue for our research to read on.
Also, this isn't new.
You know, Whitley Strieber as well has written many science fiction or, sorry, fictional books.
But is also, as you know, allegedly been abducted by aliens.
Also, Nick Pope, who worked for the Ministry of Defense in the UK at the UFO desk, nearly 21 years at the ministry, also wrote science fiction books.
So, is there a pattern that leads these people to the phenomenon, or are all these people just simply trying to make a bag?
Really, up to you to decide.
And then I'm sure they've dealt with those criticisms as well.
But again, we carry on.
Since then, I've read your book and found it very interesting and compelling.
Now, I'm not going to read the entire letter of Miss McElroy because I don't think it's pertinent.
And I think, again, if you want to read the entire letter, you can go ahead and buy the book.
I'm going to give you a few footnotes here that are rather pertinent.
And then we're going to get into the interaction with the being.
So essentially, she reconsidered her position about not coming forward and not giving him any.
Details or helping him out with, you know, his book.
And now she's like, well, maybe, maybe I will tell you actually what went on.
She goes on saying that many men have been killed to extinguish the possibility of revealing the knowledge that she has helped to withhold from society.
But at this point, she's 83 years old and she says, here, I've decided to leave this body, which has outlasted its usefulness to me using a painless method of self administered euthanasia.
I have very few months to live and nothing.
Telepathic Alien Contact00:12:03
To fear or lose.
And she goes on talking about fairy mounds and hills of Terra and the great mound like the pyramids.
And all of this actually ends up relating back to her relationship with the extraterrestrial and the information that was provided to her.
So, very fascinating stuff.
But here's the reason why she comes forward with this She says, The crystal clear perspective of hindsight has revealed a higher purpose to me, assisting the survival of the planet, all living beings, and life forms in our galaxy.
The status quo of our government establishment has been to protect the people.
From knowledge of such matters.
In fact, the only protection afforded by ignorance and secrecy is to hide the private agenda of those in power to enslave others, and by doing so, to disarm every perceived enemy and ally through superstition and stupidity.
Them's fighting words, Matilda.
Matilda's had enough.
Now, I am entrusting these documents to your discretion to impart to the world in any form or matter you see fit.
My only request is that you do so in a way that will not threaten your own life or well being.
If possible, if you were to incorporate these notes of my experience into a work of fiction, such as a novel, the factual nature of the material could be easily dismissed or discredited by an agency for whom national security is used as a personal shield against scrutiny and justice.
In so doing, you could disavow any knowledge of their true origin and claim that it is a fictitious work of your imagination.
Whoever said that truth is stranger than fiction was right as rain.
For most people, all of this will be unbelievable.
Unfortunately, beliefs are not a reliable criteria for reality.
I agree with that.
Well said.
Just because you believe something does not make it so.
All right, let's get to the meat and bones here.
As you know, 1947, July, the Roswell Army Airfield issued a press release stating that personnel from the field's 509th Bomb Group had recovered a crashed flying disc from a ranch near Roswell, New Mexico, sparking intense media interest to say the least.
Later that same day, the commanding general of the 8th Air Force stated that Major Jesse Marcel. Who was involved with the original recovery of the debris had recovered only tattered remnants of a weather balloon.
The true facts of the incident have been suppressed by the United States government since then.
Now, we know this to be true because Jesse Marcel also came forward later in his life prior to his death, stating that, yeah, there was a cover up and the materials that they had were not the weather balloon stuff.
And they were told, he was told to basically pose with this ridiculous balsa wood and weather balloon debris.
All I could do is keep my mouth shut.
And General Ramey is the one who told the newspapers what it was and to forget about it.
It was nothing more than a weather observation balloon.
Of course, which we both knew differently.
She goes on to say that she was enlisted in the U.S. Army Air Force, Women's U.S. Army Air Force Medical Corps, which was a part of the U.S. Army back then, and she was assigned to the 509th Bomb Group as a flight nurse at the time of the incident.
When the news that there had been a crash was received at the base, I was asked to accompany Mr. Cavett, the counterintelligence officer, to the crash site as the driver of his vehicle and to render any needed emergency medical assistance to any survivors if necessary.
Therefore, I briefly witnessed the wreckage of an alien spacecraft as well as the remains of several alien personnel aboard the craft who were already dead.
When we arrived, I learned that one of the personnel on board of the craft had survived the crash.
And this is something that's come up, by the way.
In UFO lore, that some people say, oh no, all the bodies were dead.
And then other people say, no, there was a single survivor.
And this is about that sole survivor.
So this being was conscious and apparently uninjured.
The conscious alien was similar in appearance, but not the same as the others.
Huh.
None of the other personnel present could communicate with the survivor, as the being did not communicate verbally or by any recognizable signs.
However, while I examined the patient for injuries, I immediately detected and understood that the alien being was attempting to communicate with me by mental images or telepathic thought, which projected directly from the mind of the being.
I immediately reported this phenomenon to Mr. Cavett as no other person present could perceive these thoughts, and the alien seemed able and willing to communicate with me.
It was decided, after a brief consultation with a senior officer, that I would accompany the surviving alien back to the base.
Can you imagine being a nurse?
First of all, all right, there's a wreckage or something.
Whoa, what is that being?
Boom, boom, boom.
All of a sudden, you're getting images in your head, flashes of messages, seeing this body, seeing this being alive.
And you're like, what the heck is going on?
And imagine Lawrence R. Spencer, the author, reading this note, getting this letter, and being like, holy cow.
By the way, if anyone's out there who has a similar story, please send it my way.
Figure out a way to get in contact with me, maybe through Discord, and I would happily read your letter as well.
This was partly due to the fact that I was a nurse and could attend to the physical needs of the alien as well as serve as a non threatening communicator and companion.
So she was designated the companion to the alien.
Being a nurse, she could be trusted to tend to the alien should it need any medical attention.
She says, My duty was to communicate with and interview the alien and to make a complete report of all that I discovered to command authorities.
Subsequently, I was supplied with specific lists.
Of questions provided to me by military and non military personnel, which I was to interpret for the alien and record the responses to the questions provided.
I also accompanied the alien at all times during medical testing and the many other examinations to which the alien was subjected by staff from numerous government agencies.
As you can imagine, especially back then, yeah, there would be a lot of testing going on.
Poor thing.
She says, I was given a promotion in rank to senior master sergeant to approve my security rating.
And to increase my pay grade from $54 a month to $138 a month.
Wow, that's a big increase.
For this very unusual assignment, I performed these duties from July 7th through to August 1947, at which time the alien died or departed the body, as you will read about in my notes.
Although I was never left entirely alone with the alien, as there were always military personnel, intelligence agency people, and a variety of other officials present from time to time, I did have uninterrupted access to the computer.
To and communication with the alien being for nearly six weeks.
It's a long time.
Here and after is an interview and summary of my personal recollections of conversations, in quotes, with the alien craft pilot, whom I came to know by the identity of Errol.
A I R L, Errol.
I feel that it is my duty at this time, in the best interest of the citizens of Earth, to reveal what I have learned from my interaction with Errol during those six weeks.
On the anniversary of her death or departure 60 years ago.
Wow, her death.
Okay, so according to Matilda, this is a female entity.
Very interesting.
Although I served as a nurse in the Army Air Force, I am not a pilot or technician.
Further, I did not have any direct contact with the spacecraft or other materials recovered from the crash site at the time or thereafter.
To that degree, it must be taken into consideration that my understanding of the communications I had with Errol are based on my own subjective ability to interpret the meaning of the thoughts and mental images I was able to perceive.
Fascinating.
Our communications did not consist of spoken language in the conventional sense.
Indeed, the body of the alien had no mouth through which to speak.
Whoa.
That's crazy and creepy.
So, we're not thinking skinny Bob here.
We're not thinking there is an image, however.
This is interesting.
UAP Juan shared this a few days ago on his Twitter account, and these were apparently leaked images of alien beings.
So creepy, by the way.
All right.
So, do not look at this if you're easily creeped out, but these things are creepy as if.
And you'll notice.
And this is one thing I noticed they do not perceive to have any mouths.
And one of them is wearing like some type of cloak.
Is this one of the beings that Matilda communicated with?
Very interesting.
Our communication was by telepathy.
At first, I could not understand Errol very clearly.
I could perceive images, emotions, and impressions, but it was difficult for me to express these verbally.
Once Errol learned the English language, she was able to focus her thoughts more precisely using symbols and meanings of words I could understand.
Learning the English language was done as a favor to me.
It was more for my own benefit than hers.
Whoa, we taught this alien English.
Okay.
By the end of our interview sessions, and increasingly since then, I've become more comfortable with telepathic communication.
I've become more adept at understanding Errol's thoughts as though they are my own.
Somehow, her thoughts become my thoughts.
Her emotions are my emotions.
However, this is limited by her willingness and intention to share her own personal universe with me.
She is able to be selective about what communication I am allowed to receive from her.
Likewise, her experience, training, education, relationships, and purpose are uniquely her own.
Whoa.
See, this is a really interesting thought for me because when we think about telepathy or we think about sharing some type of intelligent consciousness, we automatically assume that all thoughts are everybody's and everybody agrees and it's this hive mind sort of collective, when in reality, We do apparently transfer thought, but that doesn't really eliminate uniqueness somehow.
Individuality still persists to a certain extent.
That's really interesting.
This is the symbol of the Domain.
The Domain is a race or civilization of which Errol, the alien I interviewed, is an officer, pilot, and engineer serving in the Domain Expeditionary Force.
The symbol represents the origin and unlimited boundary of the known universe, united and integrated into a vast civilization under the control of the Domain.
Now, is it literally the Domain or is this just like an interpretation of the word Domain?
Who knows?
Errol is currently stationed at a base in the asteroid belt, which she refers to as a space station in the solar system of Earth.
First and foremost, Errol is herself.
Secondarily, she voluntarily serves as an officer, pilot, and engineer in the Domain Expeditionary Force.
In that capacity, she has duties and responsibilities, but she is at leave to come and go as she pleases also.
Tridactyl Officer Secrets00:12:38
Please accept this material and make it known to as many people as possible.
I repeat that this is not my intention to endanger your life with the possession of this material, nor do I really expect you to believe any of it either.
However, I do sense that you can appreciate the value that such knowledge may have to those who are willing and able to face the reality of it.
Mankind needs to know the answers to questions which are contained in these documents.
Who are we?
Where do we come from?
What is our purpose on Earth?
Is mankind alone in the universe?
If there is intelligent life elsewhere, why have they not contacted us?
It is vital that people understand the devastating consequences to our spiritual and physical survival if we fail to take a Effective action to undo long standing and pervasive effects of alien intervention on Earth.
Perhaps the information in these documents will serve as a stepping stone to a better future for mankind.
I hope that you can be more clever, creative, and courageous in the distribution of this information than I have been.
May the gods bless you and keep you.
This is Matilda Donald McElroy.
I mean, this is truly, truly fascinating.
Folks, you know what the requirements are here.
Suspend your disbelief, check it at the door.
You know, belief often gets in the way of a good story.
And all too many times, especially in the UFO sphere, I will say, we often get carried away by focusing on the wrong things, by denying evidence prior to even absorbing it.
Based on a worldview that has already been ingrained and cemented in our psyche.
To willingly suspend your disbelief in order to absorb information is a skill, a skill that I'm sure you all possess.
To deny information and ridicule it outright prior to absorbing the information, this makes you an accomplice to the cover up.
Intaking information does not mean having to believe it, whether true, whether lies.
It is still information.
And if you find yourself in the face of new information that seems a little unbelievable, unable to absorb this information due to any pre existing bias that you may have inherited through the few decades that you've been on this planet, then I highly suggest to practice suspending your disbelief.
Keep your conviction low when it comes to this information.
Do not believe it outright, but do take it in.
Only then will you be able to make connections through this and maybe weed out the possible truth that lies within these documents.
There might be one piece of information here that connects to something that you already know, and that might unlock an entire new reality for you.
Or not.
Either way, let's have fun.
So, this is the first interview with the alien.
Matilda writes By the time the alien had been returned to the base, I had already spent several hours with her.
As I mentioned, Mr. Cavett told me to stay with the alien since I was the only person among us who could understand her communication.
I could not understand my ability to communicate with the being.
I had never before that time experienced telepathic communication with anyone.
The nonverbal communication I experienced was like the understanding you might have when a child or a dog is trying to get you to understand something, but much, much more direct and powerful.
Even though there were no words spoken or signs made, the intention of the thoughts were unmistakable to me.
I realized later that although I received the thought, I did not necessarily interpret its meaning exactly.
I think that the alien being was not willing to discuss technical matters due to the nature of her position as an officer and a pilot, with a duty to maintain the security and confidentiality required by her own unit or organization.
Any soldier who is captured by the enemy in the line of duty has a responsibility to withhold vital information, even in the face of interrogation or torture, of course.
Pause here.
This seems a little anthropomorphic to my liking.
I just feel like, hey, if this is an interpretation of something, it does also feel like we are imposing something we would do onto this other species, but who knows?
Perhaps they're more like us than we think.
But in spite of that, I've always felt that the alien being was not really trying to hide anything from me.
I just never got that feeling.
Her communication always seemed honest and sincere to me, but I suppose you can never know for sure.
I definitely feel that I shared a unique bond with the alien.
It was a kind of trust or empathy that you have with a patient or child.
I think this is because the alien could understand that I was really interested in her and had no harmful intention, nor would I allow any harm to come to her if I could prevent it.
This was true, too.
I refer to the alien as her.
Actually, the being was not sexual in any way, either physiologically or psychologically.
She Did have a rather strong feminine presence and demeanor.
However, in terms of physiology, the being was asexual and had no internal or external reproductive organs.
Her body was more like the body of a doll or a robot.
There were no internal organs, as the body was not constructed of biological cells.
It did have kind of a circuit system or electrical nervous system that ran through the body, but I could not understand how it worked.
Oh, that's interesting.
Huh.
That's this part.
This part for me does raise a bit of an orange flag, I would say, just because, you know, we've read so many other documents and so many other eyewitnesses who have seen the bodies do say that they were not, you know, engineered mechanical or otherwise electrical circuits, that they were flesh and bone.
In stature and appearance, the body was quite short and petite, around 40 inches tall.
The head was disproportionately large relative to the arms, legs, and torso, which were.
Thin.
There were three fingers on each of the two hands and feet, which were somewhat prehensile.
Okay, hold on.
So, we're talking about tridactyls here.
Now, this does not comport with the aliens that were dissected by the EBO microbiologist at whether it's Battelle or Fort Detrick, Dietrich, but this does bear some similarity to, I think, some of the original drawings of the beings at Roswell and also the tridactyls that were discovered in Peru.
However, those tridactyls were definitely not made of electrical circuits.
I understand that a space officer does not need these as space has no atmosphere to conduct sound.
Therefore, sound related sensory organs are not built into the body, nor does the body need to consume food, hence the absence of a mouth.
Okay.
The eyes were quite large.
I was never able to determine the exact degree of visual acuity of which the eyes were capable, but I observed that her sense of sight must have been extremely acute.
I think the lenses of the eyes, which were very dark and opaque, may also have been able to detect waves of particles beyond the visual spectrum of light.
I suspect that this may have included the full range of electromagnetic spectrum or more, but I do not know this for sure.
As a little side note, there are footnotes present in this document.
And again, these footnotes are, I think, rather important, but these footnotes are written by Lawrence R. Spencer in his book.
So if you want to read those footnotes again, Pick up the book, you can get those footnotes.
When the being looked at me, her gaze seemed to penetrate right through me, as though she had x ray vision.
I found this a little embarrassing at first, until I realized that she had no sexual intentions.
In fact, I don't think she'd ever had the thought that I was male or female.
Strange comment.
It became very obvious after a short time with the being that her body did not require oxygen, food, or water, or any of the external source of nutrition of energy.
As I later learned, this being supplied her own energy, which animated and operated the body.
It seemed a little bit eerie.
First, but I got used to the idea.
It's a very, really, a very, very simple body.
There's not much to it compared to her own bodies.
Errol explained to me that it was not mechanical, like a robot, nor was it biological.
It is animated directly by her as a spiritual being.
Technically, from a medical standpoint, I would say that Errol's body could not even be called alive.
Her doll body is not a biological life form with cells and so forth.
It had smooth skin and covering, which was gray in color.
The body was highly tolerant to changes in temperatures, atmospheric conditions, and pressure.
The limbs were quite frail, without musculature.
In space, there is no gravity, so very little muscle strength is needed.
The body was used almost entirely on spacecraft or in low or no gravity environments.
Since Earth had heavy gravity, the body was not able to walk around very well, as the legs were not really suited to that purpose.
The feet and hands were quite.
Flexible and agile, however.
This is very bizarre.
Overnight, before my first interview with the alien, the area had been transformed into a buzzing hive of activity.
There were a dozen men working on the setup of lights and camera equipment.
A motion picture camera and microphone and a tape recorder were also set up in the interview room.
I don't understand why a microphone was needed since there was no verbal communication possible with the alien.
There was also a stenographer and several people busily typing on typewriters.
I was informed that the expert Foreign language interpreter and a code breaking team had been flown to the base during the night to assist with my efforts to communicate with the alien.
There were also several medical personnel, specialists in various fields, to examine the alien, and a professor of psychology was there to help formulate questions and interpret the answers.
As I was just a nurse, I was not considered to be a qualified interpreter, even though I was the only one who could understand anything the alien was thinking.
There were many subsequent conversations between us.
Each interview resulted in an exponential increase in understanding between us, and I will discuss later on in my notes.
This is the first transcript with the answers to a list of questions provided to me by the intelligence officer at the base, which I debriefed to the stenographer immediately following the interview.
Folks, here we go.
We're half an hour into this video, and we finally get to the transcript.
I apologize, but I think the preamble was required.
Official transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force, Roswell Air Force 509th Bomb Group, subject.
Alien interview.
Question.
Are you injured?
Answer.
No.
Question.
What medical assistance do you require?
Answer.
None.
Question.
Do you need food or water or other sustenance?
Answer.
No.
Question Do you have special environmental needs such as air temperature, atmospheric chemical content, air pressure, or waste elimination?
Answer No.
I am not a biological being.
Question Does your body or spacecraft carry any germs or contamination that may be harmful to humans or Earth life forms or other Earth life forms?
Answer No germs in space.
Question Does your government know you are here?
Answer Not at this time.
Question, are others of your kind going to come looking for you?
Answer, yes.
Question, what is the weapons capability of your people?
Answer, very destructive.
She goes here to detail, I did not understand the exact nature of the kind of arms or weapons that they might have, but I did not feel that there was any malevolent intention in her reply, just a statement of fact.
Now, I will say that this definitely does sound like a military interrogation.
Electrical Nervous Systems00:03:35
As you all know, If the military discovered a drop of water, the first thing they would do is figure out how to drown you in it.
They would worry about the millions of people dying of dehydration after they figured out how to drown someone in a drop of water.
I guarantee you that's how they function.
So, you know, this adds a little bit of credibility to the case.
As soon as they're like, hey, you know, what's up?
How are you doing?
And then, how bad are your weapons?
Where are they?
Can we see them?
Can we play with them?
Can we use them?
Question Why did your spacecraft crash?
Answer It was struck by an electrical discharge from the atmosphere, which caused us to lose control.
Now, this is also pretty much echoed in The Day After Roswell by Philip J. Corso that there was some atmospheric, there was a massive storm that night.
So perhaps something in the atmosphere, perhaps electrical charge, you know, who knows.
Question Why was your spacecraft in this area?
Answer Investigation of burning clouds, radiation, explosion.
Well, I mean, I think we know what they're referring to, possibly the nuclear tests that were going on in New Mexico.
Question How does your spacecraft fly?
Answer It is controlled through mind.
Responds to thought commands.
Mind or thought command are the only English language words I can think of to describe the thought.
Their bodies, and I think the spacecraft are connected directly to them through some kind of electrical nervous system that they control with their own thoughts.
So they're almost a part of the vehicle, it would seem.
And again, we find ourselves describing what seems to be this ephemeral form of life a disposable life form that's sole responsibility is sort of task oriented and based around the flight of this craft or whatever the task it had.
But it does not seem.
Like, there is much value in these, in this individual life form.
And we see this over and over.
We hear this through, you know, even the crash retrieval whistleblower that came out on 4chan that we read through.
Everything was built to spec, there was no extra nothing, almost as if the mobile construction unit that was placed in the ocean was some type of immune system placed on different planets in order to protect, preserve, and encourage life, you know, forming on planets.
And included in these things are sometimes biological entities because they had to interact with the local population.
Who knows?
But it does seem like this is a trend throughout the type of beings that are encountered, or at least the smaller type of beings.
And the EBO scientists as well said that they had certain nodes on their brain and that the study of this was paramount to everything else.
The military wanted to know how the interface of.
You know, the physical nodes on the brain interacted with the craft itself.
And if you look at even Bob Lazar and the craft that he worked on, there didn't seem to be any type of hardware that you could interact with, unless it was on the top floor, which he didn't go to.
But there's just these three little chairs that they sat in and then perhaps somehow locked in through, you know, their own physiology, you know, to the steering mechanism or flight capabilities of the craft.
Question Do you have written language or symbols for communication?
Answer Yes.
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Question What planet are you from?
Answer.
The home, birthplace, world of the domain.
Since I am not an astronomer, I have no way of thinking in terms of stars, galaxies, constellations, and directions in space.
The impression I received was of a planet in the center of a huge cluster of galaxies that is to her like home or birthplace.
The word domain is the closest word I can think of to describe her concept, images, and thoughts about where she is from.
It could as easily be called the territory or the realm.
However, I'm sure that.
It was not just a planet or solar system or a cluster of stars, but an enormous number of galaxies.
Question Will your government send representatives to meet with our leaders?
Answer No.
Question What are your intentions concerning Earth?
Answer Preserve or protect property of the domain.
Property?
Oh, we're just property, huh?
Question What have you learned about Earth governments and military installations?
Answer Poor or small.
Period.
Destroy planet.
Question Why haven't your people made your existence known to the people of Earth?
Answer Watch slash observe.
No contact.
I got the impression that contact with people on Earth was not permitted, but I could not think of a word or idea that communicated the impression I got exactly.
They are just observing us.
Or monitoring.
Question Have your people visited Earth previously?
Answer Periodic slash repeating observations.
Question How long have you known about Earth?
Answer Long before humans.
I am not sure if the word prehistoric would be more accurate, but it was definitely a very long period of time before human beings evolved.
Question What do you know about the history of civilization on Earth?
Answer Small interest slash attention.
Small time.
The answer to this question seemed very vague to me.
However, I perceived that her interest in Earth history is not very strong, or that she did not pay much attention to it.
Or maybe, I don't know.
I didn't really get an answer to the question.
Question.
Can you describe your home world to us?
Answer.
Place of civilization, culture, history.
Large planet, wealth, resources always, order, power, knowledge slash wisdom.
Two stars, three moons.
Two stars.
Zeta reticuli, perhaps?
Binary star system?
Question What is the state of development of your civilization?
Answer Ancient.
Trillions of years.
Always, above all others.
Plan.
Schedule.
Progress.
Win.
High goals slash ideas.
I use the number trillions because I am sure that the meaning was a number larger than many billions.
Fearless Advanced Minds00:07:03
The idea of the length of time she communicated is beyond me.
It's really closer to the idea of infinity in terms of Earth years.
Question Do you believe in God?
Answer We think it is.
Make it continue.
Always.
I'm sure that the alien being does not understand the concept of God or worship as we do.
I assume that the people in her civilization were all atheists.
My impression was that they think very highly of themselves and are very prideful indeed.
These are the closest words I could use to describe the idea she had about her own society or civilization.
Her emotion when communicating her response to this question became very intense, very bright and emphatic.
Her thought was filled with an emotion that gave me a feeling of jubilation or joy, but it made me very nervous also.
Question Are there other intelligent life forms beside yourself in the universe?
Answer Everywhere.
We are great, slash, highest of all.
So she's saying that there are, but she's at the top.
Due to her small stature, I'm sure that she did not mean tallest or biggest.
Again, her prideful nature showed through in the feeling I received from her.
That's the first interview here.
It says here this was the conclusion of the first interview.
When the answers to the first list of questions were typed and given to the people who were waiting for them, they were very excited, and I was able to get the alien to say anything.
However, after they finished reading my answers, they were disappointed that I could not understand more clearly.
Now, they had a lot of new questions because of the answers I received to the first list of questions.
An officer told me to await further instructions.
I waited for several hours in the adjoining office.
I was not allowed to continue my interview with the alien.
However, I was always treated and allowed to eat and sleep and use the restroom facilities whenever I wanted.
Eventually, a new list of questions was written for me to ask the alien.
I gathered that quite a few other agents, government and military officials, had arrived at the base by this time.
They told me that several other people would be in the room with me during the next interview so they could prompt me to ask for more details during the interview.
However, when I attempted to conduct the interview with these people in the room, I received no thoughts, emotions, or any other perceptible communication from the aliens.
Nothing.
The alien just sat in a chair without moving.
We all left the interview room.
The intelligence agent became very agitated about this.
He accused me of lying or making up answers to the first questions.
I insisted that my answers were honest and as accurate as I could make them.
Later that day, it was decided that several other people would attempt to ask questions of the alien.
However, In spite of several attempts by different experts, no one else was able to get any communication at all from the alien.
So, over the next several days, a psychic research scientist from back east was flown to the base to interview the alien.
Her name was Gertrude something or other.
I don't recall the last name.
On another occasion, an Indian clairvoyant named Krishnamurti came to the base to try and communicate with the alien.
Neither one was successful at getting the alien to communicate anything.
I was personally not able to communicate telepathically with either of these people, although I did think that Mr. Krishnamurti was a very kind and intelligent gentleman.
Finally, it was decided that I should be left with the alien by myself to see if I could get any answers.
Truly, truly fascinating.
Very simple answers.
We've established that this, you know, short little being is kind of giving everyone else the silent treatment.
Except for what seems to be Matilda, and when there are less people in the room.
This creature also seems to think that they are the sort of pinnacle of all beings in the universe or in the known universe.
All right, we move on.
It says in the next interview, I was told to ask the alien only one question.
So the question is, why have you stopped communicating?
And the answer, no stop, others, hidden slash cover.
Secret fear.
Matilda says the alien cannot communicate with them because they were afraid of her or do not trust her.
And it is clear to me that the alien is very aware that some people have secret intentions toward her and are hiding their real thoughts.
It is equally obvious to me that the alien does not have any, even a tiny bit of fear of us or anything else for that matter.
Whoa.
No fear.
I guess if you don't have fear, you probably live in the present entirely or have an absolute disregard for the idea of death.
Like death is nothing to fear, literally nothing to fear.
And perhaps if you're trillions of years old, you've long since conquered any fear, perhaps even conquered the idea of pain or time.
And I often talk about time as being linked.
To fear, because I do believe that fear is entirely time based.
I think that if you think about anything that causes you anxiety, angst, pain, trauma, any type of negative, fearful emotion is linked inextricably to time.
It's the anticipation of pain, the anticipation of losing someone or something you did in the past.
Like, even if you're being attacked by a gorilla.
You're still thinking, oh no, I'm going to die.
This is going to hurt.
I don't want to die.
You're projecting forwards, right?
So fear is really linked to time.
And so if their concept of time is different, perhaps fear just completely vanishes.
And also, if their concept of life is different, then obviously death becomes a different concept as well.
So the subtle idea that this being does not really fear anything actually gives us quite a bit of information on how advanced they are.
Might be.
So, her personal note, she says, I pondered the words I chose to convey the meaning of the alien's thoughts very carefully before reporting to the stenographer and to the people who were waiting anxiously in the other room.
Personally, I never suffered any fear or misapprehension about the alien whatsoever.
Time and Vanishing Fear00:15:51
I was very, very curious and excited to learn anything and everything I could about her and from her.
However, like the alien, I did not have much trust or confidence in the agents or authorities who were controlling my interviews.
I had no idea what their intentions towards her might be.
However, I'm sure that the military officers were very, very nervous about having an alien spacecraft and pilot on their hands.
At that moment, my greatest worry was how to more clearly understand the thoughts and ideas of the alien.
I think I was doing pretty well as a telepathic receiver, but not as good as a telepathic sender.
I wanted desperately to figure out a better way to communicate with the alien in a way that would enable the growing legion of government officials to understand her more directly.
Without having to rely on my interpretation of her thoughts, I did not feel very well qualified to act as an interpreter, yet I was the only person with whom the alien would communicate.
So it was up to me to get the job done.
Like receiving is one thing, but sending is a whole other thing.
I was also becoming acutely aware that this was probably the biggest news event in the history of Earth and that I should be proud to have any part in it.
Of course, by that time, the entire incident had been officially denied in the Press and the cover up of immense proportions by the military and the powers that be had already begun.
However, I was beginning to feel the pressure of the responsibility for being the first person on Earth, as far as I knew, to communicate with an extraterrestrial life form.
I think I know how Columbus must have felt when he discovered a new world the size of a continent on one small planet.
But I was about to discover an entirely new unexplored universe.
While I waited for my next instructions from my superiors, I went to my quarters under escort of several heavily armed MPs.
Several other men dressed in black suits and ties accompanied me also.
They were still there when I got up in the morning.
After breakfast, which was brought to me in my own quarters, they escorted me back to the office at the base that was used for the interview.
So that was the second interview.
The immense responsibility must weigh heavy on Matilda at this point.
I could not, I mean, I have tried to imagine what that might be like, what that interaction might be like.
Coming face to face with something so eldritch, so far removed from any known reality, and not just seeing something that is unrecognizable or feeling something that is completely foreign and exotic.
Such as a telepathic communication.
Not only that, but the stark realization that you are the one must be equally as overwhelming as any of that.
Realizing that aliens are real, there's a crash, this thing is communicating, there are other beings in the universe, we're not alone.
All of that is a massive shock to the system, has to be.
One of the biggest shocks you'll ever receive.
But then there's the realization that you're the one.
Like you're Neo.
You are responsible for the entire history of humankind.
Not your generation, not your government.
Not everyone that's alive, everyone that's ever existed, ever, and will ever exist.
You are the person.
That would be enough to cripple most people, I think.
You know, you'd have to be philosophically oblivious to a certain extent to move forward with this project because I think that would just, yeah, that would be crippling.
All right, we're going to do one more interview here before we take a break.
This is the third interview with Matilda.
The third interview and all subsequent interviews that I had with the alien were observed and recorded, as I mentioned above, by dozens of other people.
Although there were No, they were not physically present.
A special room had been constructed with a window of one way glass through which the interview could be observed from an adjoining room without intruding on the alien.
Now, this has been talked about multiple times.
It's been talked about by Oscar Wolf.
I think it's been mentioned by Dan Barish.
This one way mirror with this alien on the other side of it.
Plus, we've seen, you know, some sketchy alien footage out there that may or may not be real that also feels like.
This type of environment.
I just kind of feel bad for these beings, although they have no fears.
There's no real reason to feel bad, but I feel like, what if we just set up like a log cabin with a nice little fire and some classical music?
Wouldn't that be more conducive to like an open conversation rather than some stale, you know?
I don't know.
Maybe that's why I'm not in the army.
The alien had been moved into a newly constructed room and was seated in an ordinary overstuffed living room chair covered with a flowery fabric.
All right, I take back what I said.
They.
They did take a cue from my thoughts.
I'm sure that someone had been sent down to buy a chair from the nearest available furniture store.
The alien's body was about the same size as a very thin five year old child.
So she was dwarfed by the chair.
That's such a funny image.
And also a really interesting detail.
I mean, even if you're a fictional writer, we need a chair.
There are no chairs.
We got to get one.
This is all we got.
Then having this tiny alien body sitting in your grandma's chair.
Since her body was not biological, it didn't need any food.
Air or heat.
And apparently, she didn't sleep either.
There were no eyelids or eyebrows above her eyes, so the eyes didn't close.
I don't think anyone could tell whether she was sleeping or awake as long as she was sitting upright in the chair.
Unless she moved her body or gestured with her hand, it would be hard to tell whether she was even alive or not, unless you could perceive her thoughts.
Eventually, I learned that the alien was not identified by her body, but by her personality, so to speak.
She was known by her fellow aliens as Errol.
This is the closest word I can use to describe the name using the English alphabet.
I sensed that she preferred the feminine gender.
I think we shared a natural female empathy and nurturing attitude towards life.
And each other.
I'm sure she did not feel comfortable with the combative, aggressive, domineering attitude of the male officers and agents, each of whom was more concerned with their own personal self importance and power than with discovering the secrets of the universe.
I do like this part.
I'll be fair and I'll be honest.
If there was an entity communicating with us, and first of all, the entities that we hear about are often this feminine energy, but if they were to communicate with us, yeah, I would rather talk to a woman as well.
Especially if you can read minds.
I think we do need a woman for first contact.
I think that would be probably, that would probably help out our side of the, you know, negotiations or discussions to have somebody a little more empathetic be the communicator.
When I entered the room, she was very pleased to see me.
I felt a very genuine sense of recognition, relief, and a warm feeling from her.
It was like the eager excitement and unconditional.
Platonic affection one feels from a dog or child, yet with a calm, reserved control.
I must say that I was surprised that I felt the same sort of affection for the alien being, especially since we had spent so little time with each other.
I was pleased that I was able to continue my interviews with her in spite of all the attention it was getting from the stream of government and military people arriving at the base.
It was very obvious that the people who wrote the next series of questions, for me, wanted to learn how to communicate with the alien themselves.
Without having to go through me.
Here are the answers to the new list of questions.
Can you read or write any Earth languages?
Answer, no.
Question, do you understand numbers or mathematics?
Answer, yes.
I am officer, pilot, engineer.
Question Can you write down or draw symbols or pictures that we may be able to translate into our own language?
Answer Uncertain.
Question Are there any other signs or means of communication you can use to help us understand your thoughts more clearly?
Answer No.
Matilda writes I was very sure that this was not true, but I understood clearly that Errol was not willing to communicate in writing or drawing or sign language.
My feeling was that she was following orders, like any soldier who had been captured.
Not to reveal any information that might be useful to an enemy, even under torture.
She was only able and willing to reveal non confidential or personal information or name, rank, and serial number.
Now, okay, this does make sense on a logical level.
You know, if she was held captive, that she would withhold certain sensitive information as we would as well.
But it also, you know, feels very.
Convenient in this story that she's like, I can't give you details, you know?
So, you know, keep that in mind.
Question Can you show us on a map of the stars which is the star of your home planet?
Answer No.
This is not because she does not know the directions from Earth to her home planet.
She was unwilling to reveal the location.
It was also due to the fact that the star system of her home planet does not exist on any star map on Earth.
It is too far away.
Question How long will it take your people to locate you here?
Answer Unknown.
Question How long would it take your people to travel here to rescue you?
Answer Minutes or hours.
Question How can we make them understand that we do not intend to harm you?
Answer Intentions are clear.
See in your mind images, feelings.
Question If you are not a biological entity, why do you refer to yourself as feminine?
Answer I am a creator, mother, source.
Matilda's personal notes.
These questions took me only a few minutes to complete.
I realized then that we may be in for some serious trouble if the alien was not willing to cooperate or reveal any information that the military or intelligence agencies or scientists considered to be useful to them.
I was also sure that the alien was very certain of the actual intentions of people who wrote these questions, as she could read their minds just as easily as she could read my thoughts and communicate with me telepathically.
Because of these intentions, she was unwilling and unable to cooperate with any of them.
In any way, under any circumstances.
I'm equally sure that since she was not a biological life form, there was no kind of torture or coercion that would change her mind.
The power that this little being has, you know, and also, you know, if you're dealing with something that's trillions of years more advanced, there's nothing you're going to get from this being.
You know, it's already been created to withstand any of our primitive techniques, anyways.
I think it is interesting, though.
It's as if a bunch of ants held a human captive, and we're like, Where's your queen?
And we're like, Well, we don't really obey the queen anymore, which wouldn't make sense to them.
One thing is certain that when it comes to this telepathic communication, and if you take it even further into perhaps fringe theories of quantum mechanics, that intention is really important.
The intention you put behind something, whether it's a thought, whether it's an action, whatever it is, whether it's just the start of your day or writing a letter or saying thank you, those intentions mean more than the actions.
They mean more than the words.
You know, if I'm helping someone out, but in my mind, I'm thinking of, oh, I'm only doing this so that they, I don't know, trust me and then I'll steal all their money, right?
The intention is all.
That matters.
And in the universe, I think that might be one of the closest universal laws that we could probably fathom intention overrides absolutely everything.
And if that's the case, then intention must be fundamental to communicate, it must be a fundamental property of the universe to change or collapse certain wave functions.
I think intention is very important.
And we hear about this through meditating.
We hear about it through manifesting.
We hear about it when you even study animals and you can feel their intention, whether it's friendly or whether it's unfriendly.
I love this idea of telepathic communication being based on impressions and intention and feelings, because I think that that probably resonates.
And I mean that it literally physically resonates more than writing something down or saying something.
I find it really interesting that we get to witness Matilda's.
Climatization to her communication ability with this entity.
Like she is slowly discovering how to decipher intention into words that these primitive military officers can understand.
But at the same time, she acts as, like any translator would in a hostile situation, she acts as a sort of mediator.
She has to be careful of what she communicates because it could affect the lives of other beings in the room.
You know, learning how to communicate telepathically, but at the same time having this responsibility.
I mean, it must be so intense.
Folks, I would love to know what you think of this document so far and this book.
I think, you know, if true, it is an invaluable piece of information for humanity.
If it is completely fabricated, then at the very least, it is extremely entertaining and allows your mind to expand.
And I think that's the really positive effect of fictional writing and storytelling.
And some people think, no, it's just going to muddy the waters for UAP disclosure.
It takes people who are inspired by fiction to want to pursue this stuff.
Either way, this is fascinating.
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