Chris Ramsey launches his solo podcast, Debriefed, by reviewing Lou Elizondo's "Imminent" and Senator Schumer's UAP Disclosure Act while recounting his own Atlantic orb sighting and viral Nevada "tic tac" encounter with Wes Barker. He details a 2023 black triangle observation over his car before introducing guest Justin, who shares footage of a synchronized triangular craft emitting electrical sounds over Loveland. Ultimately, the episode establishes a balanced investigative framework for UAPs, blending skepticism with open inquiry into anomalous aerial phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
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New UAP News Roundup00:03:49
He captured a triangular, what appears to be a triangular craft, being escorted by one of these orbs.
Does that look like a plane to you?
I saw what I can only describe as a tic tac, a giant pill in the sky.
He said that was the clearest image of a tic tac that he's ever seen from a civilian.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to a very special episode of Debriefed.
My name is Chris Ramsey.
I know some of you may know me from my main channel, doing magic and puzzles.
Well, this is my new venture and a true passion of mine.
We're going to get into that.
I do highly encourage you guys to do a few things to help this channel out, one of which would be to go to Spotify or iTunes or whatever platform you're listening to this on and leave us a five star review as well as like a positive comment.
It goes a long way to help us climb the charts and get more eyes and ears on this podcast.
Secondly, You know, subscribe, like this video.
That's super easy to do, but also join our Discord.
We got a great community out there of really curious minded seekers who share everything from, you know, their encounters to their questions to recipes.
And if you don't know how Discord works, don't fret.
There is an FAQ for newcomers to Discord.
I do realize that my audience might be a little bit older and isn't familiar with Discord.
I myself wasn't familiar with it, but got really familiar with it really quickly.
So join the Discord.
And finally, if you do want to go the Extra mile to support this channel, I would highly encourage you to check out Patreon.
Patreon.com slash Area 52 Investigations.
We offer hours and hours and hours of footage that you will never see publicly on YouTube.
This is all just for the patrons.
So you're really getting your money's worth there.
Check it out on Patreon.
And right before we dive into any of this, I would just like to do a quick little roundup of all the UAP news that has come out recently.
We'll start off with Lou Elizondo's book, Imminent.
Imminent became instantly a New York Times best selling book.
The former head of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, or ATIP, recently released his memoir, Imminent Inside the Pentagon's Hunt for UFOs.
It's a great book, especially if you're not too familiar with this subject.
It's a great place to start.
And on the tail end of that, Jay Stratton also recently signed a book publishing deal.
Definitely looking forward to that.
Also recently, Senator Chuck Schumer continues to push for the passage of the UAP Disclosure Act, which would require the declassification of government held UAP related documents, much like they did with.
The JFK files.
Also, some big news recently as today, Representative Nancy Mace is poised to lead the next congressional UAP hearing this September.
And lastly, this is something I came across only recently.
I think this came out in June, but only recently has this been leaked.
But the police chiefs in the major cities in the United States were apparently sent an 11 page document on how to deal with UAP sightings.
This is a really interesting document.
I left the link below.
It basically goes through the history of UAP.
Everything from Roswell to the recent congressional hearings, the different programs that are studying UAP, and the different channels that you can report UAP activity to.
So, a very interesting read if you guys want to check it out.
I left the link below.
Let me know if this is something that you guys want on a regular basis.
I'd be happy to provide a quick little roundup of all the UAP news, maybe bi monthly.
Comment below if this is something you might be into.
Folks, today's topic is UFO sightings.
Balancing AI and Magic00:06:36
Now, I'm going to get into a few things during this episode, one of which is the origin of this channel and why I decided to make it.
And then I'm going to talk to you guys about a few things that happened to me, namely sightings that I've had in my life as an adult that have changed my outlook on the UAP UFO phenomenon.
We're also going to hear from a special guest, Justin, who had a similar encounter with one of the crafts that I've seen, but not only that, he has some incredible footage.
That we're going to share with you as well.
That coming up a little bit later on Debriefed.
Why did I start this channel?
I've always been fascinated by the unknown.
I remember as a young man watching Unsolved Mysteries and hearing the host say that these are based on true stories.
And as a young, impressionable mind, that for me meant, oh, this is truth.
This is the truth.
I know better now, but as a young sponge, that's what I absorbed.
And hearing stories of alien abductions and crafts and ghosts.
And telekinesis and pyrokinesis and spontaneous combustion.
What if your mind worked like a television set?
What if you could change channels at will?
And what if you could never turn the set off?
All these incredible things really led me down a path which eventually brought me into performing magic.
And you're like, well, how does that relate?
As someone who looked up to these psychics and these people who could bend things with their minds, like Yuri Geller, and I wanted to.
To do that too.
It seemed to me to be like a superpower.
I wanted a superpower.
Learning magic was the closest thing I can get to that.
Now, figuring out that it was all pretty much trickery definitely pulls the rug out from under you, but makes it interesting in a different way.
We get to understand methods and how things work and human psychology and behavior.
And that is all very fascinating as well.
You come to understand how easy it is to trick the human mind.
You know, there is another famous magician.
James Randi, and his name is brought up quite a bit on my videos, who was famous for debunking a lot of this phenomenon, ESP and paranormal stuff.
He even set out a million dollar challenge, which at first I think was like 10,000, then upped it to a million.
If you could unequivocally prove under his conditions that some form of ESP existed, then he would give you that prize.
No one claimed it to date.
That is not the path that.
I'm taking during this investigation.
I know a lot of you are thinking, well, this is going to be another magician turned debunker.
And although I do have a critical mind, I am somewhat of a skeptic.
I do seek proof, I am a magician.
I do understand how easy it is to fool people.
But I also have a very open mind to this stuff.
And part of that comes from my own experiences.
And part of that comes from talking to people who've had incredible experiences who are very credible.
So, why Area 52?
Well, the name itself, 52, comes from all my handles, which is Chris Ramsey 52, 52 being 52 cards in a deck of cards.
Also, I thought it was fitting.
The Area 52 is a real place.
So it kind of tied into that.
That's where the name comes from.
Nothing really.
Too deep there.
Why did I start this channel?
Two major reasons.
One, if you take a look at YouTube as a platform and you take a look at a lot of people who are doing kind of the same thing that I am, which is approaching this paranormal subject or topic, you find a lot of copy paste.
A lot of people out there are simply regurgitating information that already exists, throwing some neat AI over that, and no hate against AI.
I use AI as well.
I think it's a great tool.
A lot of these videos are solely just some soulless voice reading, some soulless texts, you know, overlaid by some soulless images.
And there's a lot of that.
And I thought it was just incredibly valuable that we have somebody touch grass, a human being, get out there and test these things out.
Talk to people who've been there.
Go to the sites where the things have happened.
Ask real questions that haven't been asked before.
Figure out what's going on and help find and uncover the truth for real.
You know, I wouldn't be the first person to do this, obviously, but I feel like the platform itself really encourages people to stay at home and, you know, type a few things in, make some slideshows and upload.
And, you know, someone.
Like me, who's really focused on quality and storytelling, I really think that this space needs something better.
I think it deserves something better.
I think you, the viewer, deserve something captivating, gripping, something that tells an amazing story, but at the same time gives you answers to questions you might have.
All the while, reason number two, I get to learn a lot about myself.
That is the second reason I started this channel.
I am going through somewhat of a personal journey with all of this.
I'm out there figuring out who I am, what it is I believe in.
Questioning my beliefs and really trying to find answers to life's greatest mysteries.
And those answers are often found internally.
I can convey them on video, but they are for me.
And so, number two is really a selfish reason.
I really want to find out what's going on for my own self and how do I fit in all of this?
What's my part of the equation?
And I get to document that and I get to share my journey with you.
So, although, you know, I will be critical and I will look at things in a certain way, especially from a magician's lens, I'm also looking to validate things that I feel that are internal.
Remote Viewing Protocols00:02:25
And so there's a balance there, I think.
And I think everything in the universe has balance.
And I'm trying to find that balance with this topic.
I don't want to go on one side, I don't want to go on the other.
I want to stay in the middle.
You know, one philosophy that I sort of abide by and something almost of a protocol that I've set for myself is inviting people into my house.
That's sort of the metaphor that I chose.
So, for example, remote viewing.
I got to know remote viewing.
I did remote viewing for a year and more.
I've spoken to physicists who have studied and researched remote viewing.
I've spoken to people who were hired by government agencies for over 20 years to be professional remote viewers.
I've talked to so many different types of people, people that some people believe, people that some people don't, all of these different things.
And I've come to the conclusion that remote viewing is real, that there is something there.
Now that I know remote viewing, you can come into my house.
Most people will invite remote viewing in and leave the door open.
What happens then?
It becomes a house party.
Bring your own beer.
Chaos ensues.
All of a sudden, you got.
Reptilians in the fridge and, you know, moon Nazis pigging out on the couch.
None of that.
We're taking it one step at a time here.
And so the first person I let into my house is remote viewing.
The second, out of body experience.
I got to know out of body experience.
I know you.
You can come in.
You know, we've shared some time together.
I've gotten to know you.
My friends told me about you, but I had to find out for myself.
You can come in.
Now, for now, Bigfoot's still outside in the front yard.
You can chill in the front yard.
You can even stand on the porch if you want.
But until I get to know you personally, you can't come in.
I don't know that you're real.
Some of my friends are like, oh no, Bigfoot is real.
We saw him.
That's great.
And I'm glad you can vouch for him.
But as a person, I don't know Bigfoot.
I don't know who that is.
And I am not letting him into my house without meeting him first.
And that's kind of how I approached or how I'm approaching all of these topics.
And with UFOs, I've met UFOs.
We're going to get into that right now.
Personal UFO Sightings00:15:13
But I've had observations, I've had sightings of things that I personally can't explain.
Who the occupants are of these crafts, I don't know.
Are they human?
Are they not human?
Interdimensional?
Extraterrestrial?
Ultraterrestrial?
A figment of my imagination projected into the sky?
I don't know.
But what I do know is that they are anomalous aerial phenomena.
Or unidentified aerial phenomenon.
You can come into my house.
UFOs, you're allowed in.
We know you exist.
We have videos, we have photos, we have testimony.
This is something that I am very interested in.
My first sighting as an adult is probably the least exciting for the viewers right now, as I don't have any photos or videos.
I do have photos and videos of the other two sightings, but this one I do not.
I was on a flight.
Actually, I was just thinking, I do have a photo.
It isn't mine, but it is exactly what I saw or what I perceived to see.
And I found it on Facebook scrolling through.
I guess somebody took this picture from a plane, and this is exactly what I saw.
So I'll be putting that up in a minute.
I was flying to Germany.
This is before YouTube.
I might have been 20, maybe 24, 25, 26 years old.
And overnight flight.
At this point, it's super late.
I don't know what time of the morning it is, but everyone in the plane is fast asleep.
I have a window seat.
I wake up from my semi slumber and open the window or the curtain of the window and sort of press my face and hand against the window to see outside, just to see what it looks like, because I don't want the light interfering from the reading lights and all that.
And I look down, and in the clouds below me, I can only describe.
What seems to be these orbs illuminate, these orange orbs illuminating the clouds at different spots.
They didn't seem to be moving, although it was hard to tell.
And they were quite low below me.
It was lights in the clouds.
Now, initially, when I saw this, I thought to myself, you got to understand, I was waking up from a nap.
I see these orbs and I go, well, these lights.
And I think to myself, oh, there must be some type of like oil rig.
Down there.
Those were my thoughts.
I kid you not.
I'm not an idiot.
I just, I'm waking up from a sleep and I'm looking.
I'm trying to make, my brain's trying to make sense of what it's seeing.
And I'm like, I guess it's some type of oil rig down there in the middle of the ocean.
30,000 feet in the air.
You would not be able to spot an oil rig in the middle of the ocean.
What are you doing in the middle of the ocean, anyways?
Thoughts that did not come to my mind at the time.
The image I'm going to show you is exactly what I saw.
It's like that feeling of like someone else, you know, like I'm not alone in seeing this.
I thought it was, I don't know, because after when I landed the next day, I didn't really give it any thought until I thought back on it.
I was like, wait a second, what was that?
I was 30,000 feet in the air over the ocean.
There should be nothing.
So this is, oh, okay.
So what I snapped here, it says a pilot snapped these photos of a strange red glow over the Atlantic Ocean.
And that's exactly what I saw.
Now, you can imagine seeing this and thinking, oh, I see how that can be mistaken for like a city or something.
You know, if you're waking up from a sleep looking at that, you might think, oh, there's something down there, not in the clouds.
That was my first sighting.
Sighting number two this was on a flight once again.
And this one went a little bit viral.
Got to the front page of Reddit.
I think 15,000 upvotes.
I saw what I can only describe as a tic tac, a giant pill in the sky.
I wasn't alone in seeing this.
I was with my friend Wes Barker.
We were flying from, I think, Montreal to LA and over the state of Nevada, right around Nellis Air Force Base.
I look out the window, and at this point, I'm looking for UFOs.
Okay.
I'm not going to shy away from that.
I. After that first incident, my face has been glued to windows in airplanes.
Most people sleep and read books.
I literally stare outside like a psychopath.
Because I think for me, if you're not looking up, or in this case, looking down or out, you're not going to see anything.
So that's just something I always do.
Anyways, I see this, what looks to be a pill shaped object.
And here's a blurry photo of it, obviously.
But there was no discernible wings, no discernible tail.
And at the distance it was at, I would have been able to see wings or a tail because I remember seeing other craft, other airplanes, and noticing their wings and tails.
And I have videos of that as well.
I look at this thing for about a minute.
And when I start videoing, I'll put the video up now.
When I start videoing, this is about a minute after.
So it was much closer to the plane.
And you could really tell that there was nothing.
I thought, is this a blimp?
Might have been a blimp.
Who knows?
But I point to Wes and I was like, hey, Wes, dude, what's that?
And you hear me in the video being like, it's got no wings, dude.
That's not a plane, dude.
There's no wings, dude.
Well, I'm just enjoying myself on the plane.
Watching a movie, and then you hit me and you're like, Look out this!
And I was like, Why, how, what are we looking at?
You show it to me, then it's like, Yeah, okay, tic tac.
And first, I'm like, Probably a plane, so then I'm just staring at it and I'm like, No, where's wings?
Why is it?
It doesn't even taper.
Then I spent probably the rest of the week.
Every time I see a plane that's like the same distance, I stare at it and be like, And then you can always see wings, you can always tell.
The more I think about it, and the more I look at it and watch the video again, I'm like, Yeah, that makes no sense.
With your eyes, you could see it.
It has no wings.
So I tried to capture it with my phone.
After zooming in and zooming in, you can kind of make out that it is a sort of smooth surface on this thing.
And I remember the guy beside, so Wes and I were sitting side by side, and the guy across the aisle was sort of interested in us leaning over and looking at something.
He's like, What is that?
And we call him over and we're like, Look.
And he looks and he also saw it.
It's.
It was so surreal to see that because your brain is just trying to make sense of what it is you're seeing once again.
And my brain was like, it looks like a pill.
So when you hear, you know, Commander Fravor flying around and seeing something that he describes looks like a tablet or a pill, I know exactly what he means.
There's no other way to describe what that looks like.
I filmed this for a few minutes, zooming in, like I'm looking at my phone the whole time.
I'm freaking out.
I'm like, this is.
This is the tic tac.
This is the thing that Commander Fravor saw.
I end up showing it to the flight attendant.
Flight attendant assures me, and flight attendants are cool because they see stuff all the time and they have explanations for them.
This flight attendant was like, Yeah, I don't know what that is.
It has no wings.
I go to the pilot and I show him my video and I say, Does this look like a plane to you?
He didn't know that I took this outside of our flight.
And he goes, He's like, No, that's not a plane.
Immediately after seeing the footage that you're watching, he goes, That is not a plane.
There's a pilot.
And then I informed him that this was shot, and he just kind of shrugs.
He's like, Oh, interesting.
Like, doesn't care.
Maybe didn't want to get involved.
You know, there is a stigma attached to that, especially a few years ago.
That, oh, and by the way, when I met Jeremy Corbell, I spent some time with Jeremy.
Jeremy's a great guy, he's super passionate.
Very involved in the UAP UFO subject.
He's a friend.
He's someone who's just has disclosure very close to his heart and has done a lot for the UFO movement, in my opinion.
Obviously, also did the documentary here with Bob Lazar, which you guys should go check out if you haven't already.
But I showed this footage to Jeremy, and Jeremy said, That is the clearest footage.
I've ever seen from a civilian of a tic tac UFO or UAP.
I understand that Jeremy has sent lots of sensitive information, some that he literally can't share with the public because that would be maybe grounds to go to jail.
I don't even know.
But when he saw this little guy, this little pill dude floating around, he said that was the clearest image of a tic tac that he's ever seen from a civilian.
That was from him.
So I thought that was pretty cool.
That is my second sighting.
My last sighting, and this one is really interesting.
This was essentially a black triangle.
It was November of 2023, I believe, last year.
I was driving home and in the sky, I'm always driving, I'm always looking up.
It's what I do.
I'm looking.
If I see something in the sky, I'm looking to see if it's blinking.
I'm sure a lot of you are like that as well.
I see this craft, or sorry, I see a light, a very bright light, far away, like a star, but pretty bright.
And I go, All right, let me just keep an eye on it to see if it starts blinking.
And if you're looking at a plane from the front, you sometimes can't see a blink, right?
If the blinks are on the tail or if they're far enough away, maybe you won't see it.
So I see this thing just getting brighter.
I'm like, Oh, interesting.
Okay.
I take the on ramp to take the exit where I live, and I turn, and now this thing is really bright, coming pretty close.
I still got my eye on it.
I turn into this parking lot, and as I stop, it is almost overhead.
It is coming towards me.
And now I'm realizing there are three lights and one green emerald light in the middle.
I park my car.
I open the door immediately.
I drive an electric vehicle, it doesn't make any noise.
I wanted to see anything that low.
I don't care what it was, name the thing.
Anything that low would make a noise, anything with an engine.
I open the door.
I'm looking at it now.
It's flying almost overhead.
My brain's trying to make sense of this.
You have to understand this is how your mind works.
Your mind's like filing through the cabinet.
What is this?
Is this match this or that?
And that's what your brain's doing.
It's frantic.
And my brain's starting to wonder oh, is this a helicopter doing some type of maneuver where it's like I'm seeing the underbelly of the helicopter?
But I'm like, no, because I open the door and there's no.
Noise, none, no noise.
That freaked me out.
I don't know how else to describe it.
It made the hairs on my entire body stand up.
Seeing it was like seeing a ghost.
Now I'm watching this thing, this triangle fly over my head, standing up outside my car.
And I go, My phone, I need to film this.
I scramble to get my phone.
I'm trying to film.
I open my camera.
It's on photo mode.
I'm still looking at it.
I go to video mode.
I hit record.
And the second I hit record, two of the lights go out.
Folks, I can't make this up.
This is a terrible story, by the way, because now all I have is footage of these two lights moving across the sky, going behind a building.
Eventually, I followed it, by the way, and it goes behind a mountain and we don't see it again.
How convenient that you film this thing and two lights go out.
Now it's just two lights.
Well, first of all, let me say this, okay?
I know what I saw.
I don't have to prove that to anybody.
I have that.
I know what I saw.
It freaked me out.
Secondly, the video that I have of these two lights traveling.
A, there is no flight path in this area.
B, none of those lights are flashing.
Now, although in the video and the grain, it might look like they're sort of blinking, that's just the pixels.
They're not flashing.
You can tell.
Look close enough, they are not flashing.
Every plane has to have a flashing light on the tail or on the wings or something.
This is just two lights traversing like this, which were three and four in the middle, and now it's just going like this.
And so.
What part of the plane is that?
If you're watching, let me know.
Draw it out for me.
What part of the plane do these two lights represent?
That's all I want to know.
That's all you can tell me.
That's definitely a plane in the comments, or oh no, that must be a glider or a drone or a helicopter.
Whatever it is, just tell me what two lights on the plane those represent.
And why are none of them blinking?
That's all I want to know because what I saw was definitely not a plane.
Triangle Formation Analysis00:06:32
Recently, I came across somebody who watches these videos.
He reached out to me on Instagram.
His name is Justin.
Justin, I'll leave his link below where you guys can check out a lot of the other videos that he posts because he posts a lot of videos of orbs flying over his property.
And he captured something incredible.
He captured a triangular, what appears to be a triangular craft, being escorted by one of these orbs.
Now, is it three orbs being escorted by another orb or a triangular craft?
I don't know.
It's dark.
But we're going to hear from Justin here.
And I thought this was really interesting because this is also a lot like what I saw.
I also asked Justin to describe into detail what happened that night, what it was he saw.
And here is Justin now.
So, this is the full clip.
I did bump the exposure to get a better look at it.
And after this clip rolls, I'm going to actually show you where this experience happened and I'm going to walk you through it a little bit better.
And at the end, I'm going to slow it down and zoom it in for you to get a good look at it.
So, this is my backyard.
This is actually where I was at when the formation appeared above me.
I was chilling in my chair, just looking out at the sky, which this direction is southeast.
So, I was looking up in this area and I heard the strangest noise that came from this direction, and the triangle formation phased in right above my house, right about there, where that bird is right now.
And then it flew over the front of my house over that direction.
So the whole experience only lasted maybe 20 seconds.
I filmed 18 seconds of it, but I'm gonna try to describe the sound that I heard.
It was like a kind of like weird, like if you take a doorstop, the spring ones, and fling it and then add like electricity to it, that's kind of what it sounded like.
It was just so wild.
And in that video, there's the three in the formation.
There's actually a fourth one that's to the side of it and it's completely locked in with the three.
It's moving with them.
And I wish I could have seen how it disappeared, but it was just moving so fast that it flew across the sky and I was unable to see it anymore.
So here's the clip slowed down to three tenths speed.
I zoomed it in so you can get a good look so you can see the three in the triangle and the fourth one.
It's so crazy how they're just moving in lockstep.
And I will apologize for the shakiness right here.
It did happen very rapidly.
And luckily, I had my finger on my record button, on my binoculars, ready to go, or I would have missed this entire experience.
That's how quickly it happened.
So, this is about to be the end of this little clip.
And I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.
Incredible sighting.
The fact that it made a noise when it phased in is also really interesting.
I mean, you look at this thing.
Does that look like a plane to you?
And why would it be escorted?
So there is the clip of the triangular craft that Justin witnessed and filmed.
I mean, what an incredible sighting!
Probably one of the most interesting triangular craft sightings that I've ever seen.
Whether it's a triangular craft or whether it's three orbs in formation, I don't know.
But either way, really interesting.
Now, again, I left Justin's page below, Lights Over Loveland.
He's got an Instagram page where he posts all of the sightings that he has of these orbs, I guess, on his property.
If you want to know more about that, check it out below.
So, ladies and gentlemen, that is this long overdue introductory.
Episode of Debriefed.
I know that we've done a few episodes in the past, but I kind of wanted to get comfortable being alone on Debriefed for some reason.
I wanted to just see how this would play out.
And you know what?
It played out a lot better than I thought it would.
I did enjoy sharing all of this information.
I'm glad I got it out there in a coherent, cohesive way that you guys can digest.
I hope you guys enjoyed this episode.
Also, I want to hear from you.
You can call in.
8333 Area 52.
That's 8333 Area 52.
And just share with us anything you like, what you think of our episodes, maybe a sighting, a cool story, something paranormal, maybe something for us to investigate.
Hit us up at 8333 Area 52.
That is our toll free number for you guys to call.
I want to thank you guys so much.
And I'm going to stop this video on a recommendation.
I am currently reading two books that are really cool.
By the way, imminent.
That's something we didn't even touch on that we should probably touch on eventually.
But I've been reading this, and this is an old one called Flying Saucer Occupants by Coral and Jim Lorenzen, directors of the Aerial Phenomena Research Organization.
And it compiles a bunch of times that people have seen or met extraterrestrials.
Really interesting stuff, but it goes back all the way to like the early 1900s, which I thought was pretty interesting.
And stories, you know, of From people that might not be around today that you might never hear from otherwise.
So, really interesting.
Also, let me know in the comments below what books you recommend that I read.
If there's anything that I should check out, I'd be happy to look at it.
I love reading and I love learning more about this topic.
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