Joe McMoneagle and Dr. Edwin May reveal the Department of Defense's Stargate program, which recruited 1% of subjects to intercept Soviet threats with 85% accuracy. McMoneagle details successful missions identifying a Japanese tea house, tracking drug shipments via precognition, and locating a kidnapped person in China, while Uri Geller recounts CIA tests involving scrambled eggs and daggers. Despite 21 years of operations across 19 agencies, most records remain classified, yet published volumes suggest rigorous science validated paranormal capabilities beyond simple skepticism. [Automatically generated summary]
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Training for Remote Viewing00:14:22
Previously on Area 52.
All right, for the remote view.
I'm so ready.
How do you quiet the analytical mind?
After this training, I spent the next year practicing and honing this new skill.
I think it's time we pay Mr. Dames a visit.
I am the former operations and training officer for the Department of Defense Stargate program.
All I knew is that if I wanted to get to the bottom of this, I would have to dig further.
It was time to head to Nellie's Ford.
Virginia.
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And now, part two of Project Stargate.
So, after meeting Dames and reviewing our interview, it occurred to me that the system he has adopted and has taught his students doesn't fall in line with the original protocol made by the Stanford Research Institute, in that he doesn't use the double blind system during his protocol, meaning Dames knows what the target is and uses that to obtain information about the target.
This seems highly convenient to me.
And it also seems like the remote viewer is given an edge.
And this wasn't the case for the other remote viewers in the program.
Questions that also stood out were.
Where is the research?
Where are the numbers?
And what are the statistics?
I knew that to answer these questions, I would have to go closer to the source.
So I tracked down Joseph McMonagall, recipient of the Legion of Merit Award for his service in the military.
McMonagall was also the first remote viewer brought in by the Army and who passed all the tests with flying colors.
And I also spoke with Dr. Edwin May, who was the senior research physicist back then at SRI and who is the current director of the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory.
Dr. May also continued his studies in parapsychology and is currently still researching remote viewing.
Now, before I get into whether or not the government is still secretly funding this research, let's hear about Joe.
I've been looking for someone.
All right, so we're in Virginia.
We're actually close to the Monroe Institute right now.
We're on our way to see Joe McMonagall, remote viewer number 001, who is the highly touted psychic spy for Project Stargate.
There's just an overwhelming amount of evidence that says that this is a real thing.
I want to know if the government's still doing this.
Because if there's something that, you know, is this cheap to do, you know, a pen and a paper, it costs like, what, a million dollars a year, which is nothing for these agencies.
So it would be really hard for me to believe that they're not doing this anymore.
Let's go back to the beginning of when this all started.
My name is Joseph McMonagall.
I was the first one recruited for the Stargate program, which back then was called Gondola Wish at the time.
After searching through the CIA's now declassified archives.
I was able to find the initial proposal letter for Gondola Wish to integrate the Soviet and East European parapsychology intelligence collections threat into an all source OPSEC support scenario.
It says here both US and Soviet research have shown that individual paranormal ability is intrinsic and that this ability can be enhanced through the training and practice.
Even before Project Stargate was a thing, Gondola Wish was collecting documentation related to parapsychology from the following agencies CIA.
DIA, INSCOM, United States Air Force, and also civilian contractors.
The conclusion the Soviets have the ability to collect intelligence using paranormal means and are believed to be doing so.
So they assigned me 001.
I was the only one with a double zero.
So I'm the only one authorized to kill people with my head.
After recruitment, I went to SRI and was subjected to the six remote viewings.
Actually, found by Russell Targ and Hal Putoff in interrogations.
They interrogated a bunch of people, and I fell out of that.
I think originally they'd gone through hundreds of people looking for talent.
I've been working with Joe since 1979.
The Army, actually DIA, Defense Intelligence Agency, asked us to get an estimate over what percentage of the population can do this under laboratory studies.
So we looked at roughly 600 people over different categories of.
Folks.
It was not random selection.
So it was selected individuals.
Like we had a group from Mensa, you know, Superbrains, two alumni groups from Stanford, and a couple, and SRI itself let us do that.
Net, net, about 1% of the selected populations could meet laboratory standards.
1% of the population is a huge number of people.
It's anything but scarce.
It's much bigger than the skill to play a piano recital at Carnegie Hall.
It was originally designed to determine whether or not it was a threat.
Whether or not if the Russians, the Chinese were using it, is this a threat?
And they knew nothing about remote viewing.
So, in a desirable kind of way, what you want to do is train a few people, have them target your own stuff like the Pentagon, the White House, stuff like that, collect some data.
And then turn it over to an independent agency to evaluate.
And they determine the threat that's there.
And if it's a high threat, then you want to get more involved.
If it turns out it's really nothing, you just close it off.
You end the test period, and it's done.
The problem is it worked, and it worked really well.
And yet another document in a briefing to the Secretary of the Army states that 85% of the information collected from remote viewing was accurate.
And 50% of 700 missions produced usable information.
Is this something you can get better at?
Well, that is one of the most important questions.
Military folks really wanted us to answer that question, and they don't like the answer.
But unfortunately, I've got data on Joe McMonocle and three other people spanning 30 years worth of data.
So I can plot how good it was over all that period of time.
And there's quite a variation.
Sometimes he fucks up big time, sometimes he knocks his socks off, and so on.
And then I can fit what's called a regression line through that.
And if he's getting better, the slope will be up.
And in the field of parapsychology, they have what's called the Klein effect, it goes the other way.
The good news is that the slope of that line is zero.
Wow.
About three decimal places.
All right.
So, how do we interpret that?
Some people can learn to play tennis and play at Wimbledon, and others can barely get the ball across the net and so on.
Same in ESP.
And so, what that means is you can learn and improve up to whatever your native skill level happens to be, not any better.
So, when I got to SRI, I did six remote viewings, and out of the six remote viewings, five of them were first place matches.
Ed May, Dr. May, told me that it was like very easy to match my remote viewings.
So, what's a first place matching?
What does that mean?
Well, there's four places first place through fourth place.
Fourth place is no similarity to the target at all.
Third place, maybe 20% similarities, which is chance.
Second place is produced some valuable information but it's not good enough to say it's actually the target.
First place, no doubt, that's the target and it's practically drawn.
And in fact, I do very detailed drawings so it was pretty easy to match my stuff.
Turned out to be the best series of six ever done at SRI.
So when I got back my desk was empty and the general sent me out to To join the crowd at Fort Meade.
Could you possibly give me an example of an early test that you've done that really, like you said in your own words, knocked your socks off?
How about if I show you?
Okay, this is Angela Ford, and this is her entire drawing.
And there's stuff that looks like that.
There's some hills in the back and water in the front here, and so on.
And what the target was randomly selected was this.
My goodness.
The other interesting piece, which was.
New research is do you know the term synesthesia?
Hearing color and so on and so forth, and all the variations of that.
Yeah, exactly correct.
And every single one of our top remote viewers are synesthets.
One of the things I got recruited for at SRI International is so they could continue to use me for collection and white rat me in the lab, hit me with things that they were studying, that sort of thing.
Okay, let me show you something from Joe.
Okay.
What you have here, this was an elusive dreaming study at Stanford University.
And we told Joe that if you get lucid, get out of your body, go to the room next door where we have an envelope on the wall, open the envelope and study the photograph that's in that envelope.
Come back, wiggle your eyes, we'll wake you up, and you tell us what you saw.
So this is the only thing that he drew.
And he says, Key Mountain.
Barn or large cabin, shadow mountains, trees, and road.
He also said, Path, American Rockies, or maybe the Alps.
I think it is, in fact, the American Rockies.
He said, You know, I went, could not find the effing envelope.
I searched all over that lab.
He said, But I knew I was dreaming.
So, you know, like clicked my heels together and said, I want to go to the place where the photographer stood when he took the picture that's in the envelope I can't find.
Because what was in the envelope was this.
Yeah, that's the right response.
I could not draw it that well looking at the damn thing.
That is even like almost to scale.
What percentage of studies bear fruit that are this ripe?
What percentage of those studies, with Joe specifically, let's say?
About 20%.
So it just took off on its own, and we became a tasking agency from that point on, which is.
We knew nothing about it.
We just had tasks that came in, and we'd go in a room and talk about what we were perceiving.
It actually worked and made some people really happy because some of the stuff they were getting was stuff they couldn't get any other way.
Suppose you wanted to open up a new restaurant in Montreal.
19 people come and fill up your restaurant.
For the next week, 17 of those original 19 customers come back to your restaurant.
What would you say about the quality of your restaurant based on that data?
I would say it was fantastic.
During the lifetime of Stargate, beginning in 1975 for the next 20 years, there were 504 separate missions given to us by the intelligence community and the military, right?
To spy on the Soviet Union and China and whoever else.
And those missions were spread across 19 federal agencies of the usual type.
Of those 19 agencies, Chris, 17 of them returned with new additional missions.
End of story.
There were some pretty high level people that sometimes asked questions, like committee members and things like that.
I had to give a demonstration once to the Senate Select Subcommittee for Intelligence, which was done in camera and secret.
And this was basically done every year.
I can't tell you what happened in the process, but I can tell you that the reason it was done is they wanted input from everybody we supported.
And everybody would go in and say, this is what they did for us.
This is how it worked.
This is what was good.
This is what failed.
And based on that, they would have approval over whether we got funded for another year.
And it lasted 21 years.
So that, you know, they're getting something of value.
I would say, generally speaking, the people who brought stuff to us were absolutely thoroughly approval agreed with what we were doing.
Here are the 19 agencies that's the Army, there's the CIA, the DURG Enforcement Agency, there's DIA, FBI, and so on, right?
And the numbers on top of these bar graphs are the number of times, independent chimes, but different new missions that each of these places came back with new missions.
And the all time record here is 172 separate missions.
A joint task force after the Cold War was over was set up here in the San Francisco Bay Area called Alameda.
Their mission was to interdict contraband drugs coming in by the sea.
So they would task us and the people at Fort Meade, saying, okay, hey, two weeks from today, precognition, where can we board this boat in U.S. territorial waters?
They came back 172 separate missions.
They loved us.
We were damn good at that job.
And this was all, are these missions all declassified at this point?
The Scientific Oversight Committee00:15:17
Point or almost none of them are.
The original science is probably 1.8 million words.
We had to cut it down to 1.4.
I'm using the pregnant we now.
Dr. May and a young lady by the name of Sonali Moaha in India are the two people who actually went over everything, put it into order, and had it ready for print.
It's not like nobody has access to it.
You can buy it.
It's It's in four volumes, it's stacked like that.
We took six years.
A woman, a friend of mine, a colleague, an affiliate woman, she was the brains behind our theory.
She's a PhD clinical psychologist.
She and I worked together to produce four volumes all about this thick, 600 and some odd pages.
We didn't edit hardly anything.
We wanted to be as precise as possible for the first three of four volumes.
So this one I just grabbed off the shelf is volume two.
It's everything you want to know about remote viewing from 1985 to 1995.
Everything.
And that includes the failures, that includes the greater results, that includes everything.
That's just transparency for scientific purpose.
Yeah, there's almost no failures, but the ones that were frailed are in here.
I did tracking of an agent as an example.
I think I heard about this.
This was the three different locations?
Right.
Targeting material was the person's social security number.
From that, you can't tell anything.
You don't know how old they are, you don't know if they're male or female, you don't know where they work, you don't know anything.
The first time I got a call was like at midnight, and I was staying with a psychologist in San Francisco.
And I did the target, and the target I drew was hills with sticks on them, something moving in a circle at the top of the sticks, and dotted lines putting them all together saying this is some kind of an energy system in a field of hills.
He was actually in Altoona Pass or something, parked in the middle of the wind generator system, and I got a 99 because Dr. Macy's I didn't tell him to.
Color of his rental car.
Can you divulge what agency this was, or is that classified still?
No, I can't tell you what agency, but I can tell you that they were duly impressed.
The next time I got a call, they said he was standing inside the accelerator building for the collider at Stanford University.
I've never seen it, but I'm trying to draw this thing.
I don't know if you've ever seen the inside of the generating area of a collider.
You can't.
Draw it if you're standing there looking at it.
I mean, it is so complicated, and I wound up with this very screwed up, highly technical thing.
And I finally stopped and I said, I can't draw this stupid thing.
It's an accelerator.
Third time was the best one.
It's midnight.
He's at the west gate of Los Alamos lab or something.
I can't remember the name of it, but it's a big lab facility.
Facility.
Research facilities where they build bombs.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, where they built the A bomb.
Exactly.
There's a T shaped building there and it's seven floors, and on the top of the roof there's a little shack.
That's where the guard stands.
And just below that is the director's office.
It's right in the center, faces out on the whole lab.
And I said he was, I drew that T shaped building, then I put a lab facility all around it and a row of trees down both sides of the road and big parking areas.
He's in the T-shaped building, top floor.
He's in the director's office smoking one of the director's cigars with his feet crossed up on the desk.
That's exactly where he was, exactly what he was doing, okay?
But my last target, they came back.
That just blew them out of the box.
So they came back and said, he's working on something.
We don't know what it is.
Tell us what it is.
I drew two things.
The one thing I put in a big van, big tractor trailer, and I drew what is basically microwave equipment, very detailed inside the van, pointed out of the open end of the van at a bunch of stuff on the ground at a certain beam width.
Unfortunately, I gave them the frequency, but they had to interpret it.
The frequency I gave them was.
For something else, but it actually matched exactly the frequency of the microwaves that he was using.
And the bandwidth that he was projecting was dead on, 60 degrees.
And he was cooking electronic equipment at distance using this, okay?
And it was a brand new piece of equipment and everything.
And so I drew all that.
And I said, but he also has something to do with the solar array down the road.
There's a big tower.
And there's a whole lot of mirrors, like 300, 400 mirrors, all pointed at the tower.
And they're made up of pieces that computers can refigure them to project a perfect beam to the tower.
And on top of the tower, they create a huge energy burst.
And they're testing energy production using the sun.
My monitor said, Well, which one is he working on?
I said, Well, that's kind of his hobby.
Well, they came back immediately and said, Wow, he did an amazing thing with a target.
But our guy has no hobbies.
My feedback is they're going to allow me to see what he's done.
And we're driving in the car.
We had a driver taking us there, and we're driving in this car.
And we came over a hill, and this guard put a guard thing down.
He said, I'm sorry, I can't let you go any further.
We're testing the solar array.
And Dr. May turns to me and he says, I wish I had a bag.
I'd put it over your head.
I don't know why you got that, too.
But we sat there, you could smell the ozone in the air, and they built this like miniature sun on the tip of the tap.
It really impressed me a lot.
They lift the thing, we're going down the road, and there's this car coming down the road on the left.
We get out.
I said, Didn't we just see you coming from the solar array?
And he said, Yeah, that's kind of my hobby.
I go over there for lunch.
Said that on tape.
Ah, we got him.
We got a nice check for research from this group of people.
They never talked to us again.
It scared them so badly, I think.
They'd never had anything done like that.
Do you think it scared them on a security level?
Absolutely.
We had what was called a scientific oversight committee.
And in the back of this volume, they're named now.
They were the who's who of American scientists.
Of that era, two Nobel laureates, and they were, in fact, eligible to be on our Scientific Oversight Committee, given they had to be skeptical to be part of this committee, but they had to be open minded.
Of the 12 people used in the Scientific Oversight Committee, there are a few reputable and notable names Dr. Darrell Bem, originator of the self perception theory, who studied physics at MIT and obtained his PhD in social psychology at the University of Michigan.
Dr. Melvin Schwartz, Dr. Schwartz received a Nobel Prize in Physics for the development of the neutrino beam and his work on particle physics.
And Dr. Philip Zimbardo, a Yale graduate and professor who is more commonly known to have created the Stanford Prison Experiment.
These were some pretty heavy hitters in the scientific community.
So there were 12 of them, and what they did under my watch is they would review, we had to submit our protocol to them before we did anything for them to review.
We were very good at that, so that was a round robin that happened rather fast.
The second part of their three part system was unannounced drop in privileges, which they actually never use.
They're all business scientists.
But the third part was thrilling.
I loved it.
My first year as the director, I had 35 separate projects for $1.875 million.
And I had to write reports on every damn one of those.
So I spent the whole time writing reports rather than doing science.
We had to submit our final report on each one of these things.
To the Scientific Overs Committee.
And they were to criticize it as if it were a journal publication to their favorite journal.
Man, they really went after us.
And their reports are in here.
You can read what the hell they said.
They would come to SRI and then later at SAIC, and we'd spend two days in talks.
I got to tell you, in my whole career as an academic type character, it was positively thrilling.
In fact, at the end of the day, almost none of them thought that this stuff was.
More work needed to be shown that it was real or not.
That's their conclusion.
However, they said we do the best science one can possibly do in today's world.
They gave us credit for that.
Now, one personal story of that one of my physics colleagues and dear, dear friend, unfortunately, he's no longer with us, a guy by the name of Melvin Schwartz, won the Nobel Prize in Physics with Leon Letterman.
He did some really fancy stuff.
I invited him and his wife down to have dinner with my wife and I.
And he asked, when I first invited him, he said, You know, I think what you're doing is all bullshit.
And I said, Yeah, I know.
That's why I want you on the committee.
What if, after watching you for a year, I've decided that it's still bullshit?
I said, if you can convince the other members of the committee of that to be true, what I will do is resign immediately and come to work with you at Brookhaven National Lab and go back to doing physics.
He said, done.
I said, no, we're not even close to done.
What are you talking about?
What if, after watching us for that period of time and talking to other members of the committee, you think there's something worthy of study?
He said, now that's an interesting question.
If that comes out, I will spend some fraction of my career helping you to figure out how it worked.
And he did that up to a year before he passed away.
Who's willing to not only look at it, but look at it and scrutinize it and then work in favor of it?
I mean, that's incredible.
Well, I'm going to go one much better for you here.
So, Nolly and I put together two books, and they're only sold as a set called Extrasensory Perception Support Skepticism and Science.
I love skeptics.
I learn more from skeptics than I do from our crazy ass believers who believe everything.
I invited two skeptics to contribute to our volume one.
Yeah, Christopher French.
He's a British guy.
And I invited, and he was the first person that agreed to be a co author in this book.
And the other guy is a fellow by the name of E.J. Wagenmakers.
Do you know the name Daryl Bem by any chance?
Daryl did probably the most important experiment so far in history in Psy.
He had 1,000 participants, and he's a social psychologist.
When you have a bunch of students learning social psychology, you usually provide some sort of a stimulus.
You poke somebody in the ribs or flash something in their eyes, and they respond to it, right?
And it's always the stimulus comes before the response.
Well, Daryl is pretty clever.
He said he's going to invoke the response before he even generates the stimulus, just reverse the time.
And he got the, we use measures today called effect size.
And what surprised the whole world and just shook the psychology community to its core, because this guy is a well respected psychologist, quality of effect going forward in time or going backward in time were equal to have the same validity.
There's a lot of very, very good research having nothing to do with Stargate.
That's why when I hit the end of my seven years in the unit, I had every bit of an intention to go into the science side.
I wanted to know more about why, how, who done it.
It was a hard decision for me to make.
I made a decision to demonstrate it live on television.
I remember the first program I did in Japan was called Battle TV and they would have people on who claimed they could do certain things and have two panels.
One panel over here was all like post grads out of college, colander on their heads, springs with the stars and buttons and stuff bouncing around.
This panel over here were the ones against, and they all wore suits and ties.
And at the beginning of the show, the guy stepped up to the microphone and gave a very impassioned speech in Japanese.
He was the head of the physics department at the University of Tokyo.
And what he said was, I will come in here after the show and prove there's a trick.
If I can't, I'll resign my position at the University of Tokyo.
He actually said that on national television.
Tokyo, 70 million viewers.
So I'm sitting there and I'm going to display remote viewing and the whole place was anti-success.
Never going to happen, right?
Showed me a picture of this woman and they said she's got a film crew and she left early this morning for somewhere in Japan.
She had permission to use the bullet train so she could be anywhere.
We want you to tell us where she is.
So I said okay and I drew it.
In fact, I said it looks like a pond but it's a bathing area.
It's probably neck high.
And water and it's surrounded on the outside by fake things, a fake fence made out of concrete, some concrete trees and like a little tiny tea house modeled up against the wall.
And I remember the guy running the program said he took the mic and he he said, oh, Joe San, that's not possible.
We have no fake trees in Japan, and I was really detailed about it too.
And he does all this stuff.
So I'm sitting there thinking no, I'm absolutely screwed here.
And they get the woman on the phone, and you can hear her voice, and she's laughing.
And the guy says, well, why are you laughing?
She says, they just stole my towel.
I'm trying to get it back.
And she pops up on the TV, and she's up to here in water, and she's got a towel wrapped around her front.
She's in a pond.
Behind her, against the wall, are the fake fences and stuff.
And they overlaid my tea house.
It's identical.
Finding a Place to Go00:08:43
Wow.
Absolutely identical.
I have a film somewhere in the pile of films, and everybody's dead silent.
And these guys that are on my side jumped up on the tables and started crumping me up their papers that they were supposed to evaluate me on.
And they're throwing them at the guys in suit.
The guy came in four days in a row and went over the film frame by frame by frame.
I asked the guy in the studio, did he resign his position?
No.
But he'll probably never be on the TV in our studio again.
Suddenly, I'm discovered by Japan and so they invented this whole thing of looking for missing people.
And I went ahead and said, sure.
Meanwhile, I don't know about the black hole, black hair, brown eyes.
So I didn't get this first page right No remote viewing done.
Okay done.
All that's dead, right?
What?
We're talking you're in the one age range.
You're 58 to 59 years male 58 to 59 height weight black hair brown eyes Normally wears a suit and tie lives alone work requires a something jacket and tie partial pension or money for something and then works part-time at a hotel.
And so, whoa, and so all of that was dead on.
Yeah.
And then this is an outline of the coast.
Right.
And what I do is I point to where the city is.
Then I start drawing a map of the city.
How to get in or out, what's around it.
Then in the city, I would put in this is a bad copy, I'm sorry.
I'd put in all the raised roads, all the subways, all the interconnecting roads to things like hospitals, police stations, all that kind of stuff.
And then I'd say, there are some buildings here, and I'd point to the buildings.
There'd be this one, this one, this one, this one.
I would draw those buildings because they would identify the city, okay?
They only existed in that city alone, like a building with a hole through it, a building with a big garden, that kind of stuff.
Nobody had the same object, but I was looking for a place to go.
Then I'd say, okay, straight out from subway east entrance, and I would name the subway stop.
When you come out of the subway entrance, which is right here, you go a certain way.
You go down this road, you make a right on the fourth road.
You zigzag through here and continue to this building.
This is the front of one of the buildings.
There's a lot more detail in this building, but you can't see it because of the.
This is also a building that's there.
And you even see scale, you even put people there.
This is a castle in the building, tower with trees all around it.
It identifies each city had different things.
This is the apartment he lives in, third floor.
Okay.
There are 16 apartments, he's in the third floor.
This is another building or group of buildings.
Big Ferris wheel right next to the water.
Osaka would be here, and this would be the actual city.
That's the target city.
So that's a pretty small little city right outside of Osaka.
Osaka is probably like this.
Right.
And so that's probably situated next to Osaka.
Tokyo is up here.
That's incredible how specific.
And then in my statement, I'd say make a turn here, go so many yards or so many kilometers, make a turn here.
And they went to the best detective agency in Tokyo for these things.
And they refused to do it.
They didn't want to do anything with psychics.
So when they saw the first program on television, the studio told me that the other detective agency wanted to step up now.
I bet.
And so they showed the guy in the next film wearing a suit with white gloves, bowing and taking the information, you know.
And they got to know me really well.
And they're about 80% correct.
The viewing.
Wow.
But we found only half the people.
24 people.
They used you to find 12.
You ended up finding 12 of 24 missing people in and around Japan.
Yeah.
Or, no, all over the world.
All over the world.
One of them was a woman and her daughter.
And I put her in China.
And she had been kidnapped off the streets of Tokyo by the North Koreans.
They would kidnap them, take them to North Korea to teach Japanese to the troops.
Now, I put them in China.
It turns out she and her daughter, when they escaped, didn't go south to South Korea.
They went north and crossed the river into China and got jobs in a hotel and a brand new place where they had built a couple golf courses and some big hotels.
It was a place where businessmen could go and relax, okay?
They were working keeping the hotel.
So the studio put together a film crew and went into China to the business place and found both, not both of them, found the woman and made her part of the film crew and brought her out.
Okay, so they got the woman.
But she didn't know what happened to her daughter because her daughter chickened out crossing the river because she heard a noise.
Her daughter showed up two weeks later.
So they brought the woman and her daughter out.
And what they did is somebody went back in and found her daughter.
She had eventually crossed the river.
So they brought both these people home.
So, I mean, it was stuff like that.
And the dead guy finding his burial site and other things.
It was a A guy, his younger brother worked for an investment firm and he made a bad mistake.
He made an investment and he lost it all.
It was like $50,000.
And he thought he would get fired because he lost the money.
So he took off.
He changed his identity, changed his name, everything, and disappeared.
Now, they told his brother about it, his older brother.
His older brother went to the company and gave them $50,000, paid his debt off.
Later, he got it back because they found out it was just an investment mistake.
He wanted to find his brother, but nobody could find him because he had changed his identity, everything.
And I got him to this hotel that had three towers.
And they were just simple little one-room with bathroom apartments.
They were for working men in one tower, working women in another tower, some other people in another tower.
And so all the rooms look the same.
So I had a lot of trouble with that.
I was great.
And so they said, Well, we're not going to be able to finish this then if you can't tell us which part.
I said, No, What you need to do is you put the older brother right in front of the main doors between six and eight because that's when everybody comes home and changes and goes out to some beanery or something.
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Right.
Hide the camera in some bushes, you know, which they did.
And his brother saw him come through the door and they stopped.
They looked at each other.
They had all this on film.
They looked at each other and then they came together and hugged.
And they were both crying and everything, which they never do in public.
Yeah, yeah.
But they're crying and all that.
And he says, he explained to them, you can come home, you can go back to work, everything's fine, you know.
And they just went up to his room together and it was all on film.
It took four, probably four years of work to do it all.
But we found a lot of stuff.
And that was something that I guess Yuri Geller was involved in too initially, right?
As a magician, I'm very familiar with Yuri.
But then, you know, it crosses into a weird territory where you meet a guy like Yuri Geller.
Two things I'll tell you, okay?
One is he was never actually blessed by anything he did when he came to SRI International.
He wanted it all to be done in the lab.
By them, and they refused because they know about him, okay?
So he brought his own guy along with him, and they did experiments in the building, and they called that observed and condoned by SRI International, which it was not.
Never was.
Uri Geller must be on the premises someplace.
Geller, he was a bright child, my best pupil.
Tell him about psychokinesis.
The CIA told us never to deal with him ever again.
This is Uri Geller.
One of the types of demonstrations that Geller likes to do is to sit with a group of people and attempt to send a number to various people in the room.
With Uri Geller, this is Edgar Mitchell, who, with his eyes covered, is trying to pick up the number that Geller is sending.
Also, we see Wilbur Franklin of Kent State, Harold Putoff, and Russell Targ of SRI, along with Don Schuick, Vice President for Research at SRI.
Dr. Schuick is trying to receive and then write down the number that Geller is sending.
In this case, Schuick is successful in picking up the number.
Of course, this is not a laboratory experiment since the activity is completely under Geller's control.
As a magician, I'm very familiar with Uri Geller's work.
Growing up, he was a big inspiration to a lot of mentalists and magicians out there.
And although his career has been incredibly controversial, the fact does remain that the CIA did study Uri Geller's work, especially during the time that they brought in a lot of natural psychics.
So Joe and Ed do have their reservations about Uri's work.
But I thought it only fair to contact Uri and to let him tell his own story because some of the things that happened during that time to this day remain unexplainable.
In the early 1970s, Geller became a superstar, the most famous psychic in the world.
Hi, Chris.
Hello, how are you?
Fire away.
Let's start the little interview.
Look, Chris, you know very well that I'm hugely controversial.
Debate all the time about Uri Geller.
And basically, I have to thank the skeptics who created the enigma around me, the mysteriousness, the strangeness, the quirkiness, all those people who tried to debunk me, like the James Randys, et cetera, et cetera, basically created my career.
And it was really Johnny Carson who kicked my career off, ignited it, because nothing happened, nothing worked on Johnny Carson.
Okay, let me rest a little, all right?
All right.
And that show made me.
Whether I'm a magician or not, it's not important now.
But an ordinary person like you, you can be a great magician, you can be a David Copperfield, but if you're intuitive, One can learn remote viewing.
You know, you asked me a good question.
Is it a vibration?
Is it an energy?
Is it a ray?
What is it that leaves our mind, goes to a location, and comes back?
I really can't answer you because I don't know.
But what I do know is we bring up verified, credible evidence, and it's been tested a million times.
And these agencies know that this works.
These are very interesting books.
Psychic files of the CIA.
These are drawings that I was asked to do while I was in the shielded room.
This is CIA.
This is mine.
I started bringing information back to the researchers.
This was financed by the CIA.
You know, through, I would say, 1970, 71, the Stargate project started.
Basically, people were trained to send their mind through space and time and bring back information.
Most of the information that we brought back.
Chris is still unavailable.
It's still not released for publication by the CIA.
But some of the things that were found are incredible.
Down here, I don't bring anyone.
This is the clock and dagger room.
This is all the tests that were conducted on me by CIA, Mossad, MI6, MI5, MI6.
This is a very interesting photograph, Chris.
They took me to the Lawrence Lieberman Radiation Labs to see if my mind can trigger a nuclear bomb.
That's where they built nuclear weapons.
This is when Al Gore took me to Geneva to bombard the Russian Yuli Vorontsov to sign a nuclear arms reduction treaty, which actually worked.
These are all my telephones, my CIA BlackBerry, and these are the scientists that tested me.
I heard a story where you were asked to describe what was on someone's desk.
You recall this?
Yeah, of course.
There were two CIA tests with me.
One was a guy called Kit Green who sat in Langley, Virginia.
One afternoon, I got a telephone call on my desk in the headquarters building.
I was at SRI in Palo Alto.
Now, this is a few thousands of kilometers away, you know, coast to coast.
Hal Pudoff tells Kit Green, the CIA man, that I can see things from afar.
And Kit Green says, no, he can't.
The phone call initially was on what we call the red line, it was a classified line.
I got a phone call at headquarters.
It was the chief scientist of the laboratory at Stanford Research Institute, and he was talking about other aspects of Harry Geller's capabilities.
And I, of course, said, Well, what other kinds of things are you talking about?
And without much of a pause, the scientist said, Well, he says he can see things at a distance.
See things at a distance.
And I said, No, he can't.
And Hal Pudhoff says, Yes, he can.
So Kid Green pulls something off his shelf.
He said, Okay, I'm sitting at my desk at CIA at Langley, Virginia.
I will put something on my desk and let's see if Uri can get it.
We didn't tell Uri what this was all about.
We couldn't admit to him that we're working with CIA.
We just said we had a scientific colleague on the East Coast.
And we'd like to see if this remote viewing that you do, which typically we've been doing locally, works over long distance.
And he's going to put something in his desk, like you to describe it.
And I picked up a book, which is the same book that I had on my desk.
He said, Well, I'm seeing something kind of strange.
So he sat there and he scribbled on paper and crumpled up and threw it away, scribbled some more, threw it away.
If I scribbled something down, he says, Well, I don't know what to think.
It looks like I have made a drawing of a pan of scrambled eggs, and yet I have the word architecture.
What he handed us was a sheet of paper that had this scrambled eggs look and the word architecture written across the top.
I later got a copy of that drawing, and I was astonished to find that what he had drawn on maybe does look like scrambled eggs, but it was a cross section of the human brain.
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But what blew his mind is I told him that the word architecture.
Architectural is coming in very strongly, and that's exactly what he wrote on that page because he was studying something about biological warfare.
I was looking at the biological warfare effect on the nervous system of a threat virus, and I'd written on my notes architecture of a viral infection.
We then, or he then, they did tremendous analysis to see if there were any cues over the telephone lines and so on.
That was a genuine result.
And there were others like that that we did that we've never published, but certainly convinced us that he has ability.
Why didn't you publish things like that?
Because of direct CIA involvement.
The other test, nobody knows really.
Casey was the head of the CIA.
So I'm living in Connecticut at that time, and I get a phone call from the CIA, and it's Casey.
And he says to me, Uri, you know, I've heard about the test at SRI.
Stanford, what am I holding in my hand?
Believe it or not, I told him, I feel a dagger with white handle.
And he was holding a dagger with an ivory handle.
And this is Casey, the head of the CIA.
Anyhow, so whoever believes or not believes, it doesn't matter anymore.
You know, Oscar Wilde, Chris, 100 years ago said this.
He said, there's only one worse thing in life.
Than being talked about.
And that's not being talked about.
So here we go.
One, two, three.
Watch the spoon dance.
Bye.
I did a special for ABC at one of their studios out by the airport.
The problem was when my wife and I arrived the night before, friends picked us up, and the only restaurant still open was the.
The crab at LAX.
It looks like a big flying saucer on legs.
When they brought, they had a woman they took out of the audience and they gave her money and a film crew and a helicopter and told her she could go anywhere in the area and call in when the cameras were there.
She had a film crew.
The whole time I'm in the room, I am being bombarded in my head by LAX restaurant, which is right across the parking lot.
Can you draw where she is?
Up until that point, all I've been getting is LAX restaurants.
So I remembered something.
It's a rule I have when I teach people.
It's trust the system.
And I heard this very loud voice in my head that said, trust the system.
I drew a picture of the LAX restaurant and they looked at it and said, Wow, you know, that's right across the parking lot.
I said, Yeah, and I was there last night for dinner and I'm saying all these things about how it could be wrong.
And they told her to turn on the camera and she walked in.
She had been having coffee at the LAX restaurant because she's scared of helicopters.
And so I absolutely nailed it.
So they break for commercial and there's these.
Feet running behind the curtain all the way around the studio's round, so they're going all the way around like this.
And Yuri pops out of the curtain, runs up on the stage, and grabs my hand and goes, That is the most amazing thing I've ever seen in my whole life.
And he's pumping my hand.
I said, Thank you, Yuri.
It's nice coming from you.
And he runs off the stage and they come back from commercial.
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Does that say much?
Indeed, a film never proves anything.
Rather, this film gives us the opportunity to share with the viewer observations of phenomena that, in our estimation, clearly deserve further study.
Say what you want about Uri Geller, but the man has fascinated and captivated an audience for decades.
And much like remote viewing, the tales of Uri's incredible abilities still remain a mystery.
Now, before I leave Virginia, I had to ask Joe about one thing.
At this point, there is no doubt that the work that Dr. May did.
And Joe and the rest of the people at SRI was valuable to someone, whether it be to scientists or to secret agencies, they've replicated and produced valuable intel.
That is a fact.
But what still blows my mind today is probably the most interesting remote viewing story that ever existed.
And I ripped the end off and pulled out a sheet of paper, and it said, Mars, 1 million BC.