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Sept. 6, 1999 - Bill Cooper
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Wait, I'll help you out.
Once upon a time, there was a group of humans... ...who could not bear the excessive weight of war.
I'm going to have to go back to the city.
I'm going to have to go back to the city.
You are listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
Ladies and gentlemen, on March the 5th, 1992, CNN interviewed me for two hours.
Let me say that again so that you'll get the whole gist of what you're going to hear.
I was interviewed by a camera crew from CNN for two hours on March the 5th, 1992.
Tonight you're going to hear the first hour of that interview.
Tomorrow night you'll hear the second hour.
What they finally aired was just one soundbite, taken out of context, and while you're listening, tonight and tomorrow night, see if you can figure out what that might have been.
So, without further ado, make sure you have pen and paper, and you might want to pay close attention So that you'll understand that my basic message has never changed over all the years.
The only thing that's basically changed is the fact that I no longer believe that extraterrestrials are real or that they've ever visited this Earth.
I believe the whole thing is a scam.
I believe it is a concoction, the greatest hoax, probably, besides the Apollo space program, that has ever existed on this Earth.
The purpose is to create an artificial, alien threat to this world, to help hasten the formation of a one-world, totalitarian, socialist government.
I'm reluctant to believe what anybody tells me anymore.
But have you developed an intuitive sense perhaps now?
I mean, you know how that can do.
It can start shutting you down from certain experiences or certain places where you might
need to be.
That's true.
And to a certain extent, I have an intuitive sense of where somebody's coming from.
But it doesn't always work.
You know, that's what makes a con man a good con man, because you get the perception that they're telling you the truth.
And so someone who's really good at it could show you.
Yeah, you want to wipe your face or anything?
You all right, Robert?
Mm-hmm.
Robert, you set?
Gizzi and Scott, you set?
Yes.
Bill, you ready?
Bill, well thanks for agreeing to the interview.
First of all, a little bit about your background.
You had extensive military service for many years prior to 1970, where a certain aspect of that military service kicked upstairs, so you were able to see certain things that you were not able to see beforehand.
Would you tell us a little bit about that?
It actually started much longer in my past than that.
I was reared in a military family.
My father is an Air Force colonel.
He's retired now.
He's a command pilot.
And as a child I remember sitting around the, I remember the pilots at our house sitting around the kitchen table talking about their exploits in the cockpit and what they had seen in the skies.
And some of that talk involved UFOs and what some of them called Foo Fighters.
And I traveled all over the world, lived on military bases for most of my life.
I was really an indoctrinated individual you might say.
I was as establishment as you could get, as gung-ho, pro-government, pro-America, pro-military.
And that's why I went into the military, because that had been so much of my life.
I went into the Air Force.
I was in the Strategic Air Command for four years as an aircraft and missile hydraulics
technician, which is, I worked on the pneumatic and hydraulic systems of B-52 bombers, KC-135
aircraft and minivan missiles.
I had a secret security clearance.
That's where I saw my first atomic bomb.
I mean, we worked around on these planes, especially the ones on the alert pad, were
always loaded, ready to go drop these bombs at a moment's notice.
But while I was in the Air Force, I met sergeants, men who were older than me, and had been in
the Air Force for quite a while, told me that they had participated in projects that had
recovered crashed extraterrestrial craft, what you call UFOs.
And they never told these stories, unless they had quite a bit to drink.
So I never really believed it.
I thought, well, these guys are running a scam on me.
Even though I'd heard about these things when I was a kid, I still didn't believe it.
But this is so far out in left field, it's not something that you really give any serious
thought to until something personal happens, which came later.
you When I left the Air Force, I went into the Navy, which is really where I wanted to be in the first place.
I've always had this tremendous feeling and connection with the ocean.
I was an excellent swimmer, but I had a problem as a child.
I had chronic motion sickness.
I got in a car and we went on a long trip.
I got deathly ill.
Same with boats.
I couldn't ride on the things at the carnival that went around and around because it just made me tremendously ill.
But I decided after I had gone through the Air Force experience that sick or not, I was going to go in the Navy because that's really what I had wanted to do.
So I did.
Volunteered for submarine duty and was assigned USS Tyroo SS-416.
Which was a diesel-electric boat, World War II type, that had been reconfigured.
When I went on board the boat, it was in the dry dock at Pearl Harbor, in the shipyard, and had literally been cut in half, and they put in a 12-foot sonar section, and then three domes from the deck were triangulating targets using sonar.
And this was really one of the most up-to-date electronically submarines that we had.
It wasn't a nuclear submarine, but as far as the ability to approach, get close to a
target and destroy it, it had a better capacity to do that than any other boat that we had.
While we were on a transit from the Portland, Seattle area, on the surface, I actually saw
– I was the port lookout – and I saw the most incredible thing that I think I've ever
seen in my life.
And it had such a profound effect upon my view of the universe and the world that we
live in that I wish everybody could experience this.
I saw come up out of the ocean, from beneath the surface of the sea, a huge, disc-shaped
aircraft about the size of a midway-class aircraft carrier, which is tremendous in size.
Even though that's one of our smallest carriers there was then, it's still a huge, tremendously
big object.
It came up out of the ocean and rose into the air and tumbled over its axis and went up into the cloud and I was awestruck.
Dubstruck.
I mean, dubstruck literally.
I could not utter a sound.
My first impulse was to tell the Office of the Deputy that I'd seen a flying saucer.
Luckily for me, I couldn't talk.
Because on second thought, that's not what I really wanted to say.
Because I didn't want to be the only Looney Tunes character on a submarine with a tight-knit crew that you had to live close quarters with, because that's a hell of a way to live.
So I told Officer Deck that I'd seen something about 15 degrees off the port bow at a relative distance of about two and a half nautical miles, and he began to look in that area.
And the starboard lookout had heard me tell him this, and he began to look over there.
And while we were all three watching, either the same craft or another one exactly like it
came down out of the clouds, tumbled again on its quiet, dopedest maneuver, I don't know,
but every single time it did it.
Like it came down and nipped at it, and then it flipped over and then entered the water.
And the water just appeared to open up in front of it.
It's just like the account in the Bible about the parting of the Red Sea.
That's exactly what happened.
The sea actually parted in this thing, put it into the water, and it closed up behind it.
And this big spray went up into the air.
But it wasn't a spray from the crafts hitting the water.
It was a spray from the water coming back in to fill up this hole that had been created.
And again, I think this is incredible.
What are we looking at here?
And it was metal.
It was a machine.
It wasn't glowing or anything like that.
It didn't have any lights on it that we could see.
But it was obviously metal, and it was obviously a machine, and although I can't tell you that there was anyone inside of it, I believe that there was.
And it did something that, as far as I knew, was absolutely impossible.
I'd been in the Air Force, I'd worked on the state of the art of our aviation capabilities.
And here I was on the deck of a submarine in the Conning Tower.
And I knew what we had to be able to have to go underwater.
And I knew that the two were incompatible.
Here's something that came from under the water, it flew in the air and performed maneuvers
and then came back down and interfaced with the water at tremendous speed and remained
intact.
Which, realistically, it never touched the water.
The water sort of magically opened up in front of it.
Something had to interface with that water.
Anything that we had that interfaced with the water in that manner would have been disintegrated.
It's like hitting a brick wall.
So I was looking at a technology that, as far as our laws of physics and what we knew at that time, didn't exist.
This was in 1966.
And Instant Ball was as shocked as I was.
He called the captain to the bridge.
He came up with the chief quartermaster, who brought a camera.
We all stood there and watched this occur over and over again for about ten minutes.
And I still to this day don't know if it was the same craft or a whole bunch of different craft that went in and out of the water.
But it seemed like there was a hell of a lot of traffic on that freeway right there.
And we were watching it as we went by.
We never changed course.
We never lowered or increased our speed.
We made no attempt to communicate or signal.
We made no attempt to get closer.
And eventually it just stopped.
We were told not to discuss it with anyone, not even amongst ourselves, which was incredible.
I never had been told anything like that in my life.
You know, you can't talk about something.
And to be told that we couldn't even talk about it amongst ourselves was even more extraordinary, I thought.
But we didn't.
We didn't talk about it.
When we got to Pearl Harbor, oh, all the time the chief photographer was taking pictures.
I know photographs were made.
What happened to those photographs?
But when we reached Pearl Harbor, we were not allowed to go ashore, to go on liberty, even though we didn't have a duty.
And about two hours after we berthed at the submarine base, a commander for the Austin Naval Intelligence came on board and debriefed each one of us individually in the captain's stateroom.
And the ultimate outcome of the debriefing was that we didn't see anything, we didn't
hear anything, and we had to read rules and regulations that told us that if we ever talked
about what it was that we didn't see, that we could be imprisoned, we could be fined
$10,000, we could resolve paying oil, we could do whatever it would become due.
And I learned at that moment that the United States Navy didn't want anybody to know about
what we saw, and that severe consequences could come down around the neck of anybody
who did.
And that was when I understood fully that, yeah, there's a real cover-up.
These things do exist, number one.
And at least the United States Navy doesn't want anybody to know about it.
And there's penalties for anybody who bucks that.
Moving forward a few years from what, 1966?
You gained a special security clearance that revealed to you certain documents, or were revealed to you, or that you saw relating to this very cover-up.
To this and many other things.
I was eventually trained by Naval Security and Intelligence.
Well, folks, I just determined that we had one of the wrong buttons pressed on this console, so we're going to start this whole thing all over again.
And you'll be glad that we did, believe me.
We'll be glad that we did.
I'm as happy as can be.
Give me that creeps, that's too many days.
Okay, now we've got everything together.
This is an interview conducted with me by CNN in March of 1992.
What they eventually ran was about five minutes of the two hours that you're about to hear.
If you're media savvy, you'll be able to pick out what they ran and what they didn't run.
And what they tried to make me look up look like rather than what I really was and what my message really was.
So, you know, this is for your entertainment, for those of you who won't believe a word of it, and for your education, for those who will determine to go out and check and research what you're going to hear.
And for the rest of you, it really doesn't make any difference.
term been dicked over time and time again on these things as you're trying to get the
word out that you know you're you're a pretty aware person you know as far as that but you
just like go well I'm trying to get the word out maybe I'll get screwed maybe I won't I'm
just going to go for it anyway so your attitude or what well it's been my attitude now my
attitude is um I just don't want that to happen anymore it's true I'm very reluctant to uh
believe what anybody tells me anymore but have you developed an intuitive sense perhaps
You know how that can do if you start shutting down from certain experiences or certain places where you might need to be?
That's true, and to a certain extent I have an intuitive sense of where somebody's coming from, but it doesn't always work.
You know, that's what makes a con man a good con man, is that you get the perception that they're telling you the truth.
And so someone who's really good at it.
Right.
Could smell you.
Or me, anyway.
I don't know about you.
Hold on one second.
Let me grab my... Yeah, you don't want to wipe your face or anything?
No.
Yeah, I see it.
You alright, Robert?
Robert, you set?
Yeah, I am.
Scott, you set?
Yes.
Bill, you ready?
Bill, well thanks for agreeing to the interview.
First of all, a little bit about your background.
You had extensive military service for many years prior to 1970 where a certain aspect of that military service kicked up stairs so you were able to see certain things that you were not able to see beforehand.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
It actually started much longer in my past than that.
I was reared in a military family.
My father's an Air Force colonel.
He's retired now.
He's a command pilot.
And as a child, I remember sitting around the... I remember the pilots at our house sitting around the kitchen table talking about their exploits in the cockpit and what they'd seen in the skies.
And some of that talk involved UFOs and what some of them called foo fighters.
And I traveled all over the world, lived on military bases for most of my life.
I was really an indoctrinated individual, you might say.
I was as establishment as you could get, as gung-ho, pro-government, pro-America, pro-military.
And that's why I went into the military, because that had been so much of my life.
I went into the Air Force.
I was in the Strategic Air Command for four years.
As an Aircraft and Missile Hydraulic Technician, which is, I worked on the pneumatic and hydraulic systems of B-52 bombers, KC-135 aircraft, and Minuteman missiles.
I had a secret security clearance.
That's where I saw my first atomic bomb.
I mean, we worked around on these planes, especially the ones on the alert pad were always loaded, ready to go drop these bombs at a moment's notice.
But while I was in the Air Force, I met sergeants, many were older than me, and had been in the Air Force for quite a while, told me that they had participated in projects that had recovered crashed extraterrestrial craft, what we call UFOs.
And they never told these stories unless they had quite a bit to drink.
I never really believed it.
I thought, well, these guys are running a scam on me.
You know, even though I'd heard about these things when I was a kid, I just still didn't believe it.
Because it's just so far out in left field, it's not something that you really give any serious thought to until something personal happens, which came later.
When I left the Air Force, I went into the Navy, which is really where I wanted to be in the first place.
I'd always had this tremendous feeling and connection with the ocean.
I was an excellent swimmer.
But I had a problem as a child.
I had chronic motion sickness.
I got in a car and we went on a long trip.
I got deathly ill.
The same with boats.
I couldn't ride on the things at the carnival that went around and around because it just made me tremendously ill.
But I decided after I had gone through the Air Force experience that sick or not I was going to go in the Navy because that's really what I had wanted to do.
I volunteered for submarine duty and was assigned the USS Tyroo SS-416, which was a diesel-electric boat, World War II type, that had been reconfigured.
When I went on board the boat, it was in the dry dock at Pearl Harbor Naval Shipyard, and it had literally been cut in half, and they put in a 12-foot sonar section, and then three domes on the deck were triangulating targets using sonar.
And this was really one of the most up-to-date electronically submarines that we had.
It wasn't a nuclear submarine, but as far as the ability to approach, get close to a target and destroy it, it had a better capacity to do that than any other boat that we had.
While we were on a transit from the Portland, Seattle area on the surface, I actually saw I was a port lookout, and I saw the most incredible thing that I think I've ever seen in my life.
And it had such a profound effect upon my view of the universe and the world that we live in that I wish everybody could experience this.
I saw come up out of the ocean, from beneath the surface of the sea, a huge disc-shaped craft about the size of a midway-class aircraft carrier, which is tremendous in size.
Even though that's one of our smallest carriers there was then, it's still a huge, tremendously big object.
It came up out of the ocean and rose into the air and tumbled over its axis and went up into the clouds and I was awestruck, dubstruck.
I mean, dubstruck literally.
I could not utter a sound.
My first impulse was to tell the officer of the deck that I see a floating saucer.
Luckily for me, I couldn't talk.
Because on second thought, that's not what I really wanted to say, because I didn't want to be the only Looney Tunes character on a submarine with a tight-knit crew that you had to live close quarters with, because that's the hell of a way to live.
So I told the Officer Deck that I'd seen something about 15 degrees off the port bow at a relative distance of about two and a half nautical miles, and he began to look in that area.
And the starboard lookout had heard me tell him this, and he began to look over there.
And while we were all three watching, either the same craft or another one exactly like it came down out of the clouds, tumbled again, and that's why it dug this maneuver, I don't know, but every single time it did it.
Like it came down in this attitude, and then it flipped over, and then entered the water.
And the water just appeared to open up in front of it.
It's just like the account in the Bible about the parting of the Red Sea.
That's exactly what happened.
The sea actually parted and this thing went into the water and closed up behind it.
And this big spray went up into the air.
But it wasn't a spray from the craft hitting the water.
It was a spray from the water coming back in to fill up this hole that had been created.
And again, you know, I think this is incredible.
What are we looking at here?
And it was metal.
It was a machine.
And it wasn't glowing or anything like that.
It didn't have any lights on it that we could see.
But it was obviously metal.
And it was obviously a machine.
And although I can't tell you that there was anyone inside of it, I believe that there was.
And it did something that, as far as I knew, was absolutely impossible.
I'd been in the Air Force.
I'd worked on the state-of-the-art of our aviation capabilities.
And here I was from the deck of a submarine in the conning tower.
And I knew what we had to be able to have to go underwater.
And I knew that the two were incompatible.
Here's something that came from under the water, it flew in the air and performed maneuvers
and then came back down and interfaced with the water at tremendous speed and remained
intact.
Which realistically, it never touched the water.
The water sort of magically opened up in front of it, but something had to interface with
that water.
Anything that we had that interfaced with the water in that manner would have been disintegrated.
It's like hitting a brick wall.
So I was looking at a technology that as far as our laws of physics and what we knew at that time didn't exist.
This was in 1966.
And Isambal was as shocked as I was.
He called the captain to the bridge.
He came up with the chief quartermaster who brought a camera.
We all stood there and watched this occur over and over again for about ten minutes.
And I still to this day don't know if it was the same craft or a whole bunch of different craft moving in and out of the water.
But it seemed like there was a hell of a lot of traffic on that freeway right there.
And we were watching it as we went by.
We never changed course.
We never lowered or increased our speed.
We made no attempt to communicate or signal.
We made no attempt to get closer.
And eventually it just stopped.
We were told not to discuss it with anyone, not even amongst ourselves, which was incredible.
I never had been told anything like that in my life.
You know, you can't talk about something.
And to be told that we couldn't even talk about it amongst ourselves was even more extraordinary, I thought.
But we didn't.
We didn't talk about it.
When we got to Pearl Harbor, oh, all the time the chief photographer was taking pictures.
I know photographs were made.
What happened to those photographs, I had no idea.
But when we reached Pearl Harbor, we were not allowed to go ashore, to go on liberty, even though we didn't have the duty.
And about two hours after we berthed at the submarine base, a commander for the Office of Naval Intelligence came on board and debriefed each one of us individually in the captain's stateroom.
And the ultimate outcome of the debriefing was that we didn't see anything, we didn't
hear anything, and we had to read rules and regulations that told us that if we ever talked
about what it was that we didn't see, that we could be imprisoned, we could be fined
$10,000, we could lose all paying allowances, do whatever to become due.
And I learned at that moment that the United States Navy didn't want anybody to know about
what we saw and that severe consequences could come down around the neck of anybody who did.
And that was when I understood fully that yeah, there's a real cover up.
These things do exist, number one, and at least the United States Navy doesn't want anybody to know about it.
And there's stiff penalties for anybody who bucks that.
Moving forward a few years from what, 1966, Louie, you gained a special security clearance that revealed to you certain documents that were revealed to you or that you saw relating to this very cover-up.
To this and many other things.
I was eventually trained by Naval Security and Intelligence and I was given a secondary
NEC which is Naval Enlisted Code which was 9545 which is Internal Security Specialist
and an Internal Security Specialist is someone who protects classified information, protects
areas so to speak and I had a specialty which I was trained in which was Pacific Area Intelligence
Briefings and I was eventually assigned to the Commander in Chief of the United States
Pacific Fleet who was Admiral Bernard Clary at that time and served as a member of his
intelligence briefing team and basically all that means we really had a wonderful job.
You come in about 4 o'clock in the morning and you go through all the message traffic
and everything and what you do is, what we did was we prepared an updated briefing on
everything that was happening in his half of the world which he commanded the naval
forces and marine forces as a matter of fact.
And put all this together in a briefing where we would update him on ongoing operations,
a briefing about operations that were scheduled to begin, political situations, deployment
of Soviet forces, naval forces, everything.
And after the briefing was finished, between 8 and 10 o'clock in the morning, then we were
done, you know, we were finished.
So it was what you call fat cat duty or GIDO duty in the Navy.
It's got all different kinds of names.
It's just really a wonderful job.
Now, to be able to function in this job, I had to have a security clearance, which gave
me access to the information that I had to need to know to help prepare these briefings.
And when I first was assigned to the command, I was attached to the OPSTAT office under
Lieutenant Commander Mercado, which was operational status reporting.
And while I waited for my security clearance, and it took six months to get it, we were
assigned to the SDI office.
And what I eventually ended up with was a top secret queue clearance with an SDI attachment,
which means Sensitive Departmentalized Information, and there were no blocks.
In other words, there was nothing combining me to only certain compartmentalized information.
I had access to whatever the admiral and staff had access to.
Because we had to prepare briefings and brief these people on all of these things.
And I'm sure that at first I was tested and wasn't shown a whole lot, but eventually when they began to have confidence in me, I began to see things coming across my desk that were just absolutely incredible.
And a lot of it is really hard to talk about because so far Outside the normal concept of reality for the average American, that they're going to find a hard time believing any of it.
But I saw documents that were labeled, under the classification Top Secret, and the compartmentalized, the compartments that that was put into, it was called MAGIC, M-A-G-I-C, which told me that UFOs are real, which I already knew, I'd seen one.
But this went farther than that.
It told me that they were extraterrestrial in origin, that there were four different extraterrestrial species and races visiting this earth, and that they had actually entered into an agreement with the United States government with one of these species of alien beings to exchange technology.
It told me all the projects that was underneath this.
Project Red Light was actually the testing of extraterrestrial craft.
Project Plato was a diplomatic project.
Pounce was the recovery of technology.
Pluto was the application of that technology to our own secret space program, not the public
space program.
There are two different space programs.
One is what the public gets to see, which is overseen by NASA.
And the other one is a secret space program that nobody gets to see, which is really overseen
by the Navy Department under specialized, compartmentalized black projects.
And what these people are doing in secret is just absolutely incredible.
I also saw documents under an operation called Operation Majority, which outlined the plans
to bring together a one-world government.
It also included extraterrestrial information within that.
Project Grudge, which was the second project, first was signed, and then Project Grudge,
which contained all of the extraterrestrial information up to a certain point.
I forget the year cut off.
And then it was contained after that in another project called Project Aquarius, which was
the accumulation of the whole history of alien interaction on planet Earth.
But I have to say at this point that I don't know if those documents were really telling
the truth or not.
They could have been showing me these things so that eventually I would go out and talk about this and maybe that will become clear to you later why they may have done it.
It could be real.
At this point from a personal standpoint what was it that based on your experience in 66 and they said do not absolutely do not reveal this to anybody.
And here we are a few years later and you're seeing documents that prove that what you saw was real.
What was the one factor or number of factors that led you to the decision to say, I've got to get this out, I've got to tell people about this?
I saw contingency plans called Majestic.
And these contingency plans were to, well first place, a contingency is a plan that can be implemented if certain things occur.
And the certain things that would have tripped this contingency plan are, number one, the public sector is getting too close to the truth, so they have to implement this to get them steered off the track.
Or, number two, we don't want to tell the public the truth about the alien presence, but there's so much alien activity occurring that the public is on the verge of finding out anyway.
Let's tell them this story so that it doesn't cause consequences that we don't want.
And that plan was called Majestic.
I was in a bookstore one time.
I had never seen UFO magnet.
I didn't even know it existed.
In fact, I didn't even know that there was a UFO culture in the world.
People who study UFOs or worship UFOs or have little UFO meetings.
I had no idea that that was occurring.
I was in a bookstore one time and I'm looking at the magazine rack.
I'm an avid reader.
I'm always in bookstores.
And this one day I saw a magazine.
It just popped right out at me.
It says UFO.
And I picked it up and I looked inside and here is Majestic.
All right there.
Even the people who had been named to implement the plan were the ones who were actually implementing it.
William Morris, Anton Friedman.
I'd never heard of Jamie Chandler, but he was named.
And they had brought out a supposed genuine document called the Eisenhower Briefing Document, which in reality is a fraudulent document.
It's a fake.
And it was created to implement the plan Majestic, to either indoctrinate the public on what the government wants the public to perceive is happening, or to steer researchers away from the truth, or both.
So this wasn't revealing the plan of Majestic, but it was actually implementing the plan.
Implementing the plan against the public.
It was a psychological operation against the public.
This is what you saw.
Immediately my head began to spin around, and I began to think, God, you know, I've got to tell people that they're being manipulated.
This is a lie.
And really, if the public were using their own intellect, they would know that it was a lie.
The executive order quoted for this document was $92,000 something.
this document was in 92,000 something. I believe it was 92447.
It was 92447. And it was supposedly written by Truman. But Truman never wrote an executive
order higher than 9000. I mean even today there's no executive order.
With the number 92,000 on it.
They've been consecutive since the beginning.
So it's clearly fraudulent.
So it's clearly fraudulent, but the public doesn't catch on to this.
Here you've got Stanton Friedman, one of the guys who implemented the contingency plan, Majestic, running around the country telling everybody it's not an executive order, it's a date, September 24, 1947.
Which it very well could be a date.
But it's listed in that document as being an executive order of the President of the Harry Truman.
And because of that, it's fake.
And many other things.
But specifically, that is the most glaring proof of fraudulent intent in the document.
There are many other things in the document that also prove it's a forgery.
But here they are, they're running this contingency plan, and here I am, I know all about it, and here's the public out there biting it.
They even ran that thing in the New York Times, like a two or three page spread showing all the documents.
So it had tremendous credibility lent to it by that action.
And so I decided that I had to tell the public.
And get people on the right track, which is, the right track is don't believe anybody.
Don't believe me.
Don't believe George Bush.
Don't believe anyone.
You've got to go out and you've got to get proof in your hand before you can believe anything.
And to do otherwise today is the biggest mistake anyone can ever make.
You begin believing people, putting your trust in them that they're telling you the truth, I guarantee you, you're going to take a ride on a roller coaster you don't want to be on.
Now this controversy, and I say the very understatement controversy, it also is now extending, based on some things that you're revealing, into the Kennedy assassination.
Yes, in the set of documents, which really was literally two or three file cabinets of documents called Operation Majority.
I saw documents which told me what happened in Dallas and why.
And basically what these documents said was that the intelligence community felt that John F. Kennedy was a threat to the national security, which translated into reality means was a threat to the New World Order, the one world government which they were actively in the process of forming.
Was there anything on record that indicated that he was out to Well, things that he did would threaten that New World Order.
Oh, absolutely.
He had written an executive order.
I don't remember the exact number now, but it's available to anybody who wants to go look it up.
He had written an executive order ordering the printing of United States notes, which
would have broken the back of the Federal Reserve, which is one of the major instruments
of propelling the United States into the New World Order by destroying our economy, the
basis upon which we live, the basis upon which our whole society is founded, is being ripped
right out from under us.
That was one.
Number two, he refused to provide air support for the invasion of Bay of Pigs, which ensured
that that would be a failure.
He had threatened publicly on several occasions to disband the CIA and scatter it to the thousand
winds.
He had ordered, in the documents that I saw, he had ordered the intelligence community
to prepare a plan to disclose the truth about UFOs to the public.
Now, I don't know what that truth was.
It could be that maybe there are no extraterrestrials.
But whatever the truth was, he had ordered a plan to be prepared that that disclosure was going to be done according to that plan within the following year.
And the intelligence community considered that to be out of the question.
And according to the documents that I saw, his assassination was ordered by the policy
committee of the Bilderberg Group, which is really the secret world government, and was
carried out by agents of Division 5 of the FBI, the Secret Service, the Central Intelligence
Agency, and the Office of Naval Intelligence, of which I was a part in Dallas.
And it's said that the assassin, the man who actually administered the head wound, was
the driver of the car, William Greer, a Secret Service agent, who used an assassination pistol
built by the CIA for assassinations.
It was really an air gun that fired an exploding pellet, or could fire a small hypodermic needle
or a poison dart, using any one of many different deadly poisons.
Specifically, it said that he fired an exploding pellet, which contained shellfish toxin, and
that the act was plainly visible in a film with help from the public.
I looked for 16 years to find that film, and I finally found a copy that showed William
Greer turning around and shooting the President.
And since 1988, I've been showing that film wherever I'm able to show it, to wake people
up.
It is not our government, though you have to understand, that is doing these things.
It is not our government that's failing us.
It's not the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that's a bad instrument.
It is a group of men who belong to secret societies who have infiltrated our society and our government at all levels and are destroying it and subverting it from within.
And every member of naval intelligence that I knew who was an officer was a 32nd or 33rd degree Freemason.
And I asked my commanding officer at one point, I said, why are all you guys Masons?
He said, Masons are used to keeping secrets.
It's part of their fraternity.
So if you want someone who already knows how to keep a secret, you recruit Freemasons.
Well, later on I found out what the truth is.
The truth is, you're not going to be a naval intelligence officer unless you are a Freemason, or a member of the Ancient Order of the Rosicrucian Cross, but you have to be high degrees for that.
I think the reason I was selected as enlisted is because I belonged to the Demilay Society, which is why I was a teenager.
That's sort of the first level of Freemasonry.
That's how they recruit teenagers and indoctrinate them into their principles so that they go
right into cremation when they become an adult.
So basically that's the story.
Okay.
Well, based on the information that you're revealing, which would seem to be equally or if not more of a threat than what Kennedy was originally planning on doing, is actually revealing the underlying cause of all of this, why is it that you are here today, or how is it that you are here today and you're not conveniently taken away and put in a padded cell somewhere so that you can't speak of these things?
Well, I really don't know the true answer to that question, because you would have to ask them to find out why they have to do anything.
But I can tell you this.
I began to reveal information in 1976, and I was physically attacked on two occasions.
My skull was caved in.
That's what all these scars are here.
On the second attack, I lost my leg.
They visited me in the hospital.
They had no intention of killing me.
They were delivering a message to me.
Shut up.
And that was the message that came through loud and clear.
And two men who identified themselves with identification cards who belonged to the Defense Investigative Service, which is really the Defense Intelligence Agency, asked me if I was going to shut up or if they were going to have to do it right.
And I told them, I said, you don't have to worry about me.
I'm going to be a good little boy for the rest of my life.
And yeah, I'm going to shut my mouth.
And I did for 16 years.
I kept silent until I saw this UFO magazine in a bookstore which indicated that they had implemented the contingency plan called Majestic.
But if you want to know what I think the reason is, I believe that there are several.
One, they've had a plan that's been in force since the 40s.
To debunk, ridicule, destroy anybody who ever talks about these subjects.
And the public has been thoroughly indoctrinated that if you talk about any of these things that I'm talking about, you're just another nut.
So the public, by and large, doesn't pay any attention to it.
So in that sense, I'm not a threat.
If the President had come on television and said, hey, this is what's going on, then they would have listened and they'd pay attention to it.
But people like me, they perceive me as being just another loony bin, fruitcake.
A nut, which I assure you I'm not, but that's the perception that they've been brainwashed into believing, and so that's what they believe.
Number two, I am so much in front of the public from the very beginning, when I began to talk, and that's how I protected myself, or at least that's what I thought would protect me, and so far it's proven to be right, was that if I got literally in front of the public overnight, in front of a large public, That they wouldn't do anything to me because it would substantiate what it was that I'm saying.
And they certainly don't want to do that.
But also create a martyr.
And martyrs create tremendously dangerous political movements that they don't want that either.
So literally within a 24 hour period I spent $27,000 mailing a thick packet of information
all over the world to people I never heard of, didn't know, who in town got some mailing
lists and just mailed this stuff all over the world.
And so literally when people opened these packages in their mailbox it was a perfect
plan because they couldn't stop it.
They didn't know I was going to do it in the first place.
And since we sent it all over the world once it was out there was no way they could retrieve
it and there was no way I could conceive of it.
So literally within 24 hours I was a public presence and people were asking all over the
world who's Bill Cooper?
Is this true?
Look what I got in the mail.
And just literally flipped the world over on its ear.
And I've been in front of the public ever since.
So I think basically those are the reasons.
They don't believe that the public is really going to listen to me.
And so far that's been true.
There is a small group of people all over the world who are awakening.
Who are beginning to understand that they've been living their life in fantasy later.
And we're actively seeking the truth.
But by and large, when the secret power structure says, as I put in the first chapter of my book, right out of one of their own technical manuals, that a nation or world of people who do not use their intelligence are no better than animals who do not have intelligence, and thus are stakes on the table by choice and consent, they're absolutely right about the majority of people.
One of the things that has been an illumination to me is that they're always wrong.
And many of their goals are the right goals, but the method that they're using to reach that goal is the wrong method.
In other words, if you set out to create a perfect world where there will never be any more killing, but to reach that point, you killed two billion people, you have become What you're trying to avoid.
And it can't happen that way.
If you want to create a world of peace, it has to be done by people's methods.
If you murder someone to destroy a murderer, you have become what it was you set out to destroy, and thus it wasn't destroyed at all.
It was perpetuated by that very action.
And that's what these men are doing.
They rationalize everything they do so that they feel better about it.
But what they are doing is becoming what it is that they want to get rid of.
And the world will never be a safe place for anyone as long as there are men who do these things.
Very eloquently said.
Thank you.
Now your message to people, once again, is don't believe anything.
How is it that the public can find this and search for this truth on their own if they can't believe anything or anyone?
It's all in the public sector.
It's all available to anyone who actively and diligently seeks it out.
Everything that's in my book, Behold the Pale Horse, is all, everything in here, all the documents that are in here, everything that's in this book, Is in the public domain.
Can be substantiated?
Yes and I intentionally wrote this book not using anything that wasn't available to the public to show people that yes if I can find this information so can you.
I have tons of stuff that's not available to the public but as you can see by reading this book you don't need that stuff because it's what you need is available to you.
Public libraries are overflowing with the proof of what's really going on in the world
but nobody really utilizes it to the extent that they're able to pick this out and put
it together.
Another thing I've done for people is I've put it together for them so that they can
see the overall picture rather than looking at small things and thinking that it's isolated.
It's all part of a big puzzle.
And the puzzle is coming together and when the puzzle is assembled it's going to be a one world totalitarian socialist government that nobody is going to like except the people that are running it.
It's Hitler all over again.
And the rationalization is we're going to create the world without war.
The utopia.
The utopia.
But they will never create that utopia because they're not dealing with the problem that makes them want to create it.
And that is the inherent flaw in each individual human being that makes us do the things that we do.
Until that's overcome, there's never going to be a world without war, or without rape, or without killing, or without robbery.
And anybody that thinks that there is has already gone off the deep end.
So the method is, here, I'm going to hold a gun to your head so you won't break, you won't kill.
That's right.
Yes, okay, I understand.
The title of your book, Behold a Pale Horse, what significance does that have?
What are you saying with this title?
This title is from the book of Revelations, because I have to tell you this, and you may think I'm nuts if you want to, but this is the truth.
Either these men are following the book of Revelation, the book of Revelation as it is in the Bible.
They're either following it, just like a plan, and bringing the prophecies in there to pass, to manipulate and control those who believe in those prophecies and neutralize them, so to speak.
In other words, if this is written in the Bible, and God has ordained it, who am I to resist?
It must come to pass, so I'm not going to try to stop it.
What a perfect way to neutralize the opposition right off the bat.
Or, there really is a God, and what He said was going to come to pass is coming to pass.
And I name this, Behold a Pale Horse, from chapter 13 of the book of Revelations.
The fourth horse, the fourth horseman of the apocalypse is the pale horse.
And I looked, and behold a pale horse, and his name that sat upon him was Death.
And hell followed with him, and power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with the beasts of the earth.
And that is taking place now today.
The fourth horseman is riding across the world now.
That's what AIDS is all about.
That's what all these little brushfire wars all over the world are all about.
That's what's happening.
That's why cancer cures are suppressed.
It's because they fully intend to kill a minimum of 2 billion people by the year 2000.
AIDS is an invention of man.
It is not a natural disease.
And it has been implemented and placed into the population as a population control.
And when they did it, they had the cure before they did it.
And when they deem that enough people have died or been killed, they will say, we have a cure for AIDS.
Everybody will be called to report to someplace to get an inoculation, which is going to do two things.
One, it's going to stop AIDS in its tracks.
And number two, it's going to implant a device which will be able to be used to track each individual person, and maybe even to control those people.
That's it, folks.
Be sure and tune in tomorrow night for part two of the CNN interview with me, William
Cooper, which took place March 5, 1992.
Good night.
God bless you.
Good night, Annie.
Good night, Poo.
Good night, Allison.
I love you.
I love you, too.
Oh, the massacre I've dealt in 18, call gone.
Live together, for each other.
Make the whole of your planet better.
Clear the skies, no raindrops die.
When all but creatures learn to try.
When all but creatures find their eyes.
Uranium, Plutonium, they make it up at night.
They feed it to the animals, into your water pipes.
Uranium, Petroleum, they try to hide the fact, that labor is more important than plant production to reach Jack.
Pull on the nuts, hey hey, pull on the nuts, hey hey Jack.
Pull on the nuts, pull on the nuts, hey hey, pull on the nuts, hey hey Jack.
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