I have no fear of the beast that is in front of me. I am the beast.
I am the beast.
You are listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
Hey, did you folks who have access to the Internet check out Art Bill's website?
It was hacked, taken over, and it is controlled completely by the Yugoslavians promoting their version of what's going on over there.
And I think it's great, I think it is absolutely fantastic that this New World Order proponent, fascist, Nazi, disinformation, campaigner, liar, extraordinaire, Art Bell, had his website completely taken over and is now, is now, the website of Slobodan Milosevic.
Isn't it wonderful?
I think it's great.
That was just dying of apoplexy.
Listen to his show tonight.
You'll hear the guy just going off the deep end about it.
He just can't stand it because, by golly, he thinks the NATO forces should go in there and just bomb and kill and rape and loot and invade and all of these things that are absolutely against Every concept of international law against the Constitution for the United States.
The whole bit.
I think it's funny.
Yay, yay!
Go Art!
Go Art!
Go!
Go Art!
Go Art!
Yo, yo, yo!
Woo woo, woo woo, woo woo. I love it.
Thank you.
If you don't know Art Bell's website, go to our website, to our homepage.
Also, ladies and gentlemen, I was right.
and uh... halfway down the page somewhere click on art bill and then go to the bottom of that page and click on the
obvious link and it will take you right there and show you
what is happening also ladies and gentlemen
i was right it was not a three-man reconnaissance team
and they were not in macedonia these three
young men who decided to go off on a lark
and that's exactly what happened We have been talking to our military contacts in the Pentagon all day long, and here's the truth of what happened.
These three young men were part of a large patrol.
Just like I said, there's no such thing as a three-man reconnaissance team in a Humvee.
In the first place, You don't get away with sneaking into enemy territory so that you can perform any kind of reconnaissance in a Humvee.
That doesn't happen.
They were part of a large convoy, a patrol, if you will, made up of at least six Humvees, each Humvee containing three or more military personnel.
Humvee decided to leave the patrol and head up a road into Yugoslavia.
They were captured inside Yugoslavia and it's not clear exactly what Yugoslavian forces captured them but they were captured.
They resisted capture and of course were subdued.
They were not tortured They were not unnecessarily beaten or anything like that.
And they are in custody.
And can you imagine this?
Here's General Clark, the head of NATO forces.
Now, notice NATO forces.
And these men were not attached to NATO forces.
They were attached to United Nations peacekeeping forces.
Now, listen to me carefully.
What were they?
Were they United States forces?
No.
Were they NATO forces?
No.
Were they United Nations peacekeeping forces in Bosnia?
Yes.
That's exactly what they were.
They were United Nations peacekeeping forces in Bosnia.
They were not United States forces.
And they were not NATO forces, even though they are Americans.
They were not United States soldiers.
They were United Nations soldiers who, on a lark, looking for adventure, as all young men do, left their patrol column, went up a road, Probably in concert with a bunch of other young men looking for adventure and entered Yugoslavia and were captured.
Now, when President William Jefferson Clinton gets on television and says, these are United States soldiers, he's a liar.
They may have enlisted in the military forces of the United States of America in the United States Army, but, ladies and gentlemen, They were transferred and assigned to the NATO peacekeeping forces in Bosnia.
They are under United Nations command.
They are not United States soldiers.
Don't you think it's funny that the United Nations is not sticking up for these guys?
Well, they screwed up.
First place, they left their patrols.
They went up a road they weren't supposed to go up, and they entered into Yugoslavia when they were supposed to be a cohesive unit, a patrol, patrolling the border between Yugoslavia and Bosnia.
Or, and this is going on all over the place.
What is the bit here?
Macedonia?
Ladies and gentlemen, the UN peacekeeping forces in Macedonia and Bosnia and any other place in that region are all the same forces.
They are, in fact, whether they're in Bosnia or Macedonia, attached to the United Nations peacekeeping forces assigned specifically to keep the peace in Bosnia.
These guys got captured.
And here's General Clark.
Here's General Clark, the great war criminal, and he is a war criminal, who has sent NATO forces to bomb a sovereign nation into submission through coercion to agree to a treaty that they do not wish to be a part of.
In other words, the neighborhood thug.
You will do what we tell you to do, or we'll beat you up every day until you do it.
That's the neighborhood thug.
That's General Clark.
He is a war criminal.
he sent forces to invade a sovereign nation with no provocation whatsoever, a nation that
has not attacked anyone outside its own borders and was attempting to solve its own problems
within its own borders.
General Clark is the war criminal, not Slobodan Melesovic.
General Clark is bombing Yugoslavia every day and every night, killing Yugoslavian military
personnel, Yugoslavian government personnel, Yugoslavian civilians, both Serbs, Albanians,
and other nationalities and ethnic groups.
The bombs are falling all over the place and killing, killing scores and scores and scores
of people.
All right.
All of a sudden, you get three adventurous young men who do something they're not supposed to do, looking for adventure.
They cross the border into Yugoslavia and they become captured, and all of a sudden, General Clark is outraged!
How dare you!
How dare you take our personnel prisoner!
Well, in the first place, General Clark, you are the head of NATO.
These men are signed to the United Nations Peacekeeping Forces and are not a part of NATO and are not your personnel unless you are lying to all of us again and again and again and again.
Which is it?
And if they're United Nations personnel, why isn't the United Nations saying something about this?
Because that's the command that they legitimately fall under.
And William Jefferson Clinton says, Oh, we're bombing the hell out of you.
We're killing your people all day and all night, every day and every night.
How dare you abduct our military personnel?
Abduct?
Oh, is William Jefferson Clinton one of the little gray aliens now?
Or is it Melesevec, this little gray alien?
What's going on?
What's this abduct bullshit?
They were captured.
In a war.
And William Jefferson Clinton claims that we're not at war.
Listen to me carefully.
William Jefferson Clinton claims that we are not at war with Yugoslavia.
Yet he claims that those three men have protection under the Geneva Conviction as prisoners of war.
Now, what kind of double talk is that?
Yugoslavia did not declare war upon us.
The United States of America, through the orders of William Jefferson Clinton, taking control of NATO, declared war upon Yugoslavia illegally, unlawfully, and unconstitutionally because a declaration of war must come through an act of Congress.
He invaded a sovereign nation with no provocation whatsoever.
That's an act of war.
We are at war with Yugoslavia.
And it's not really a NATO war, because William Jefferson Clinton declared the war.
William Jefferson Clinton is declaring the terms.
William Jefferson Clinton is controlling the whole thing.
It is not international.
It is not NATO.
It is William Jefferson Satan.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Did I make a mistake?
I mean William Jefferson Clinton, the greatest liar who's ever lived upon the face of this earth, and he's telling Melissa that we have a long memory.
We will hold you personally responsible for these three young men, these three members of the United States military forces.
Oh, I beg your pardon?
That's another lie.
They were members of NATO forces.
Oh, did I say that?
My goodness!
Could it be because NATO is an organization, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, formed under the auspices of the United Nations Charter, and is therefore a United Nations force?
Could it be that William Jefferson Clinton has taken control of a United Nations force unilaterally without the approval of the consultation of the Security Council?
That's exactly what he did.
But these three men are United Nations soldiers, not United States soldiers.
They may have started out as United States soldiers, but they certainly were not United States soldiers when they were captured.
They were assigned to and under the command of the United Nations.
The United Nations.
And here's Clinton on television saying, we're going to hold you personally responsible.
Well, who cares?
What are you, dumb?
Do you think we're all so stupid?
Do you think Melissa Beck is stupid?
Do you think the whole world is brain dead?
What's the matter with you, Clinton?
You've already told this guy.
Listen to me carefully.
It was not the War Crimes Commission in The Hague that said this.
It was not the War Crimes Commission in The Hague that said this.
It was William Jefferson Clinton said, said that Slobodan Milosevic and anyone who cooperates with him in command of his military forces or his government will be tried as war criminals.
War criminals In something that William Jefferson Clinton claims is not a war.
He claims we're not at war.
But they're going to be tried as war criminals for crimes against humanity.
Isn't this incredible?
What kind of double talk bullshit is being bantered around?
How stupid do these people think we are?
And now he's telling Melissa that That's not bad enough.
We're going to hold you personally responsible for what happens to these three young men.
Oh my goodness gracious.
What more can you... What are you going to do, Clinton?
Are you going to bomb them?
What is your threat, Clinton?
Are you going to go in and just bomb these people?
And bomb them and bomb them and bomb them some more?
Well, you're already doing that.
And you've already told Milosevic that he's going to be tried as a war criminal.
So, you know, where is your threat?
You haven't got a threat.
You're a bullshit artist and the whole world knows it.
And we're sick and tired of it.
And we're sick and tired of this crap.
We're sick and tired of the unconstitutional actions that you've taken.
We're sick and tired of what you're doing In Yugoslavia.
And it's you.
It's not NATO.
It's you, William Jefferson Clinton.
You are in charge of this whole damn thing.
You make me sick.
You make me ashamed to be an American.
And most Americans do not approve of what you are doing, will not condone it.
And pretty soon, you're going to be destroyed politically because of it.
Now, let's see who is the war criminal.
Mr. William Jefferson Clinton, the man who attacked a church and the residents where the people who belonged to the church lived under the subterfuge that there was a warrant for the leader of the church.
A warrant that was not ever served or attempted to be served.
They didn't even take the warrant with them when they went to the church and began firing on these people to kill them.
And after fifty some odd days, sent in assassination squads, shot the ones that were still alive in the head, and then burned them all to a crisp.
The massacre.
The Waco massacre.
Perpetrated and carried out by William Jefferson Clinton and the butcher, Janet Reno.
Listen to their own words.
Yes.
How long have you been here for a while?
It's been quite some time.
It is, okay.
What brought you over here?
Ladies and gentlemen, everyone that you will hear on this tape except one black woman, the one speaking right now, is dead, murdered by William Jefferson Clinton and a butcher known as Janet Reno.
Dead.
Murdered.
This is a videotape that they made while under siege by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
Not too many people know that this tape exists.
It is their own story and their own words.
Listen carefully because this is their last will and testament.
They're all dead except for this one woman whom you hear right now.
You hear that?
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screen.
I've met a few people who are shrewd and I've started studying them and someone told me
about someone who's a genius in the field.
I've met a few people who are shrewd and I've started studying them and someone told me
about someone who's a genius in the field.
and then someone told me that someone who's been in the field.
She's supposed to be fielding.
Anyway, that's why I'm here.
As I met David, he was in the field too.
Okay, is there anything else you'd like to share?
Well, yes.
You know, as I said, I'm from London, England and what happened last Sunday really surprised me.
I'm shocked, I'm disgusted, I'm upset about the whole thing because this is supposed to
be the land of freedom and free and religious society.
And one day everything's calm and the next thing is women and children when I'm saying
and there's gunshots and they're hitting the floor like that moon is.
Can't hear anybody give us any warning or anything.
And I thought, the first day, I thought, well, this would never happen in England.
And, you know, it's disgusting.
And apart from that, we haven't had any freedom to the press, which is disgusting also.
My wife is a British citizen.
As well as being in this country, we should have some sort of outlet to the media so they know what is going on here.
Okay.
Anything you wanted to add about any other thing that you'd like to say to the people that this will go to?
By the way, I'm not sure where the tape is going.
Basically, I'm here on my own free will.
I'm not in a hospice and we are a big family and we're very happy.
This is my family.
Those who do the will of God, my father, are my family.
I love those who are my family in the flesh, but until they know the truth about this message, then, you know, I have to put this family first.
So you don't choose to leave the place right now?
No, no way.
This is where I am.
This is where my beliefs are.
This is where the truth begins.
Let's have this time.
And, uh, well, you should let me see what God has in store for the world.
So, is that what you're doing, is you're waiting right now?
Yes, I'm waiting on God.
I mean, this is the truth here as well.
This is what existence is for me in the world.
I mean, there is no existence outside this facility.
This is where David is.
He is revealing the truth, and this is what the world should be waiting for.
And I'm very fortunate to be in this place at this time.
Is there anything you'd like to add?
Um, I, I would like to say that I think the American government are very foolish not to have control over what they have to say and to come up with something like a big tanker toy as they have with that big tank which is outside.
It, for me, it's, it's, um, I don't want to insult them, but it's really insulting to keep up the big, um, armor equipment with people who are inside this place, like the women and children.
I mean, what, what are they trying to prove?
No.
I am here on my own free will.
I am not being drugged or anything.
It's everyone's free will here.
I am very happy.
I'm living a normal life.
Is that it then?
That's it.
Thank you very much.
Okay.
Thank you.
We'll stop until we have someone else here.
What is your name?
My name is Margie.
Margie, where are you from?
London, England.
And what brings you here to Waco, Texas of all places?
Well, um...
I'm sure you didn't read about there's been some kind of a night travel brochure.
No, I didn't.
I've been before my life and I met someone who had been to America and had met someone who was able to reveal revelation and put passages together from different parts of the Bible.
I was infected.
I was told to come and see, which I did.
I came over to America.
When I was shown passages in the Bible, it was mind-blowing because no one in the churches or the church leaders was able to answer my questions.
Things that I wanted to know and in coming over here, things were brought to my attention.
I could see things more clearly.
It was such a shock at first for someone to show you something which you've been looking for all your life.
But then again, it was also nice to know that you found someone who could reveal these things.
Okay it sounds kind of strange I'm sure to most people even hear something like that.
So what have you thought of the the events of just as of recently some of the things that have been taking place like a week ago a Sunday for instance.
Do you have a reaction to that or any response to that also or a relation to that?
Do you want to make a statement about leaving or staying?
Do you want to leave?
No, I'm here for my free will.
Sir, are we holding you?
Am I, or David, or anybody else holding you?
No one's holding me here.
My show's to be here.
I'm excited to be here.
I want to be here.
We realize also that man has made boundary lines all over this globe called an Earth.
And has divided it up.
But we believe according to Psalm 50, don't we, that God owns all things?
That's true.
Okay, so again, you want to be here then?
You're here on your own free will?
Do you want to add anything to that, Marge?
Well, the incident which happened last week, Friday, was a shock.
When you see these things on television, you can walk away from it, but when you actually On the scene when that incident happened, it's frightening to know one minute you're looking out of the window and seeing three helicopters, and the next minute you hear firing and you're on the floor with bullet shells flying all over your head.
It's frightening.
And also having tanks around the building, which I don't think is necessary.
Oh, jeez.
Anything, uh, assist us to go back to Britain, this tape, or any parts of it, or to the press?
Is there anything else you might want to add, or just say?
This is my family, my friends, I have many friends, some new friends, some I've been making, and I'm fine as they can see, which shows my own free will.
I am happy with the people who I am with, and that's good to know.
What I'd like to say about this press is some of the things that they are hearing are not the truth and I hope with this video being made that some things are about to happen that people will see and know the truth.
Okay, did you want to add anything else or is that about it?
Okay, thank you Marge.
Thank you.
Here now that wants to share a few things and we will put her on and what is your name?
My name is Judy Schneider-Perez and this is my daughter Myna and as you can see I was wounded when the ATF came in and assaulted us.
I was quite surprised To see our government act the way it did, and that David went to the door with his hands up, and said, don't shoot, there's women and children in here.
And yet they opened fire, and fired at everyone here.
Which is amazing.
I don't really expect anyone to jump on our bandwagon right now and believe what we believe after just hearing little bits and pieces.
I've been in the message since 1986, sitting with David, and just learning so many astounding things.
I just think now we need to sit back and see what really is going on in our government.
That's the whole thing that we're upset with right now and we're waiting on God for an answer about what we do.
Can I see a close-up of your fingers?
You'll hold it still.
Let me zoom in on your fingers.
Okay, don't move it now.
Hold it right there.
I will try to see if I can focus it in a little better than what I have up to this point in time.
Okay.
Okay.
What happened there with your finger?
You were just sitting there.
I was told you were nursing the baby or one of the babies or what was it?
Yeah, I was just sitting there with my hands sort of like this and Bullets were coming in our window.
A lot of our clothing was damaged from bullets and I'm glad we weren't more than this.
That's some very fat finger you have there.
Yeah, it's kind of swollen.
I just spoke to Dr. and he said it's quite dangerous.
He said I should come out and get treatment but I asked him why doesn't he come in here because I don't really trust what they might do out there as far as Were you hurt any other place or did you have any other injury?
Right, I was sitting here kind of like, I'm not exactly sure what happened so fast, but at any rate it went up this finger into my hand and out of my shoulder.
Okay.
What brought you here in the first place to Waco, Texas?
To study a few things.
Okay, and a question that everybody wants to know.
Do you want to leave?
Are you being held here against your will?
I want to leave when God says go, but no, I don't want to go out there on my own without David and everyone else, the rest of my family.
We're all family.
So no one's holding you against your will?
No one would be holding anyone against their will.
Okay, were you able to see a video that the agency sent you showing some of the children that were at the facility, wherever they're at?
The video we saw today of them running around crazily, eating candy, drinking soda pop, jumping around like well-made men.
We watched some videos and we were all quite upset to see our children behave like that
because they've always been well-mannered and disciplined and they don't eat candy in
between meals and only on rare occasions.
It's not good for your teeth or health or anything.
So you see that as being a cause of hyperactivity in children, something they already don't need?
We love the kids.
They can't help the way they're being cared for.
I guess that's the only thing that people out there really know.
Is there anything else you might have to say to the American people or to anybody that's on the outside?
Your family, maybe?
Your friends?
Well, I love you, Mom, of course.
You know that.
And I love all my family, and I just hope everyone doesn't jump to making decisions before they've heard our side.
Because right now, all you're hearing is the press.
You're hearing a very perverted press.
You're not allowed to Broadcast live.
It has to be taped.
It has to be cut out and changed.
Stories, all kinds of lies.
I mean, like the lady holds up a board, this is what the ATF used and this is what we used.
I'm like, wow, I never saw one of those before.
I mean, so many lies.
So many lies.
They change the stories all the time.
You just need to trust God.
I mean, Remember, ladies and gentlemen, all of these people that you're listening to are dead except for the first black woman that you heard on this tape.
Also, most Americans don't realize that 50% of all of those people in the Branch Davidian Church were black.
The same lying press is lying to you now about what's happening in Yugoslavia.
Of course, as everyone else, we've asked, why are you here?
And we'll start again with Lisa.
Lisa, what brings you here to Texas?
Well, my dad and mom... My dad and mom left me when I was little.
When you were young?
Yeah, I was young.
So you didn't really come here by choice then, per se, did you?
No.
But now that you're... How old are you again?
Thirteen.
Thirteen years old, would you like to leave?
No.
You don't want to leave?
Even though there are all these events that have been taking place of the gunfire and the possibility of more and not knowing what's going on, you still don't want to leave?
Are you being held against your will?
No.
Are you sure?
Okay.
What about Abby?
Abby, what are you doing here?
What brought you here?
Well, I came to visit Grandma when I was two years old.
When you were about five?
And have you left Princeton at all?
Have you gone away to get to visit?
Yes, I have.
Okay.
So, do you want to leave now?
If you were given the opportunity to leave now, would you like to leave?
No.
You sure?
Yes.
Is anyone here holding you against your will?
No.
No one is?
Okay.
Is there anything you would like to say to your grandmother on the outside or anyone else?
Okay.
And next we have Rachel.
Rachel, tell us something about your arriving here.
Have you been here for a while?
Yeah, I've been here since I was five years old.
About five?
And you've had the opportunity to leave, have you?
Well, yeah.
I mean, I've always been told if I want to leave, I should leave.
But, you know, I never wanted to.
Why not?
Well, because, you know, I like it here, have friends here, and of course there's a truth that, you know, David teaches the seven seals and he can reveal it, and there's no one else so far, you know, that I've heard of that can do that.
And so I've just decided to stay here and listen.
So then what you're saying is it's because of his ability to open up the Bible.
Of which we all see that there are almost 2 billion people in the world that claim to be Christians and claim that that's their foundation also.
So you see that he has an ability that so far others haven't shown?
Is that what you're saying?
I know I'm asking someone of a leading question because I know that you all are a little bit camera shy.
What about you, Audrey?
What brings you here?
I came here when I was 7 years old and my grandma brought me here.
And I was too little to understand these things, but now since I'm getting older, I can understand more, and it's, you know, truth so far has been, you know, I've never heard anybody else tell the truth, you know, so... Okay, like David apparently is what you were thinking, huh?
Okay, let's see.
So, another few questions we've asked everybody.
Is there anything you want to say to friends or family or anywhere else?
Or do you want to... Okay, I don't have anything to say.
You don't have anything else to say?
Uh, really?
Okay, what about you Audrey, Abby or Lisa?
Anything else you want to say?
Hi.
Okay, hi.
Well, what I don't understand is how, you know, People don't want to listen to the seals and everything because it's so plain and clear that, you know, they just don't want to listen.
I don't understand that.
So you're wondering why more people aren't interested in the Bible and they're being unlocked?
Is that what you're saying?
And to see what's for us for the final days?
Okay, I understand.
Anything else?
I guess that'll do.
Okay, well thank you girl.
I'll hear and we'll ask for you to identify yourself.
What is your name please?
My name is Lorraine Sylvia.
Lorraine Sylvia, do you also have a family here or a partial family or what can you tell me about that?
Yes I do. I have a daughter here in Hollywood.
Okay.
And I have my son at 10 pounds.
And what is his name?
His name is Joshua.
So Joshua, have you been able to see anything or hear anything of Joshua as of recently?
Well, when I first sent him out, he was able to call up that night just to come here to ride.
And then today I saw a videotape of him.
And I've got to tell you, that was not correct.
Why were you not impressed with the videotape?
Well, they had all the children in a room, and the kids were all going wild and jumping around, and it was like they had no discipline, no correction, and we just don't do that with our kids' parents, you know?
Okay.
Because they're supervised all the time, and, you know, our kids will go into a Bible study, they'll sit for hours, quietly and peacefully, and when I saw this video, they were acting like wild animals.
Okay, so that bothered you then?
Okay, uh, why are you here in the first place?
Well, uh, eight years ago, David came to my home in Massachusetts, and he was presenting Bible studies to my family, and I just thought he had something.
He was able to take, uh, all the books of the Bible and harmonize them, uh, line upon line, precept upon precept, and it made sense.
It was something when you read it yourself, you couldn't see it, but once he showed it to you, Okay.
I'm totally on the, totally, totally debating it.
Okay.
Do you have a desire to leave here?
No.
I don't have a desire to leave.
And nobody is holding a gun to my head so they can say that.
Okay, so no one's holding you back, keeping you here, threatening you or anything else?
No, no.
If God says to wait, then I tend to wait.
Alright, and a lot of people have said that, but what do you mean if God says to wait?
Is God talking to you or something?
No, God does not talk to me.
The book of Revelation shows That God has a book in his hand and he hands that book to someone and hands it to the lamb.
He's the only one who can reveal the book.
God doesn't speak to someone.
And David is shown in a field.
David, God says, wait.
I've trusted in him this long.
He's proven himself to me.
I'm going to wait.
Okay, I see.
Uh also uh would you have anything you wanted to say to family elsewhere or friends or do you have any statements to make uh about the incident that happened that maybe 10 days ago anything you'd like at all it doesn't even have to be that.
Okay first uh the incident is just a total outrage.
Why is that?
I don't know how the American people can stand by and watch such a thing take place.
We have people out here, we have all these people, women, children, tiny babies.
These men came in here and they started firing on us.
The bullets came through the walls and people were killed, people were injured.
This is America.
Okay.
Is there anything else you'd like to say or add?
To my family.
I love them.
Please stay, Joshua.
Okay.
Thank you.
We're going to go over here now and we're going to ask someone else sitting close by here her name and where she's from.
My name is Kathy Schroeder.
I'm originally from Florida.
Okay, you're from Florida.
Kathy, what brings you here in the first place?
A few years ago I met yourself, Steve Schneider, and My husband and I, we were in Miami, Florida, and we found revealing truth in the Bible that we just could not just refute at all.
There was no way.
We eventually came and met David Koresh and found that he was doing the opening up of these truths and have stayed to listen to everything he was doing and everything, like Larry said, precepts upon precepts, line upon line, hurdle by hurdle.
The whole Bible, every book of the Bible, tells the same prophecy, tells the same thing and I wouldn't know that were it not for David Koresh.
Okay.
So, do you have a house or any children or where's your family?
I have four children.
Three by an ex and one from my late husband and my children.
They are not here with me right now.
The incident that happened Sunday that nerve-wracked everybody.
I mean, women and children were in our home.
I'm totally shocked with the garage of weaponry fired upon our home.
Of course, me and the children all got down.
We all safely made it through that original gunfire, but it scared me too much to allow them to stay here.
So, my children have been released.
They are out.
And I found out today that the three that do belong to my are psychologically my exes.
Children, he has custody of them now.
I found that out today.
Number four, he turns three Sunday.
He's the youngest.
He's still in state custody as far as I know.
Why did you send, you said you sent your children up so that you thought they might have a better chance of survival?
Is that the idea?
Physical survival, yes.
They have pain frames in our faces.
Every day we are worried.
There's no telling what the federal agents out there will do based on what they've already done.
For their physical lives and their well-being, I sent them out there.
Well, what about your own life or your own physical well-being?
Don't you want to be with your children?
Yes, I would much rather my children be here with me.
But I would not like to be out there because I know that what I'm doing here is for a reason.
God said, wait, the God that I believe in, the God that David Price has shown you, that's upon a throne, that has a book in His hands, read Revelation Paul right there.
It's so plain and simple.
If you've got somebody to show it to you, which took me a lot of years to finally find, and once I did, there's no, there's no disagreement at all to say that that's not what's in the book.
So you don't, you don't, is anyone holding you here against your will?
Only God.
Oh my God.
It's His will and His will be done.
Okay.
Did you see that videotape of your children today?
Yes, I did that videotape.
I was a little disappointed in a couple of my children jumping on couches and making
silly faces and just really going crazy.
Had they been in my possession, had I been with them at the time, they would not have acted so rudely.
Is that to say they did not allow you to have fun?
I don't know.
No, my children have fun, but they were, they were quite un...
Discipline.
Unsupervised at the time the video was taken.
And that's not something that you would like to see then?
No.
My children are constantly doing schoolwork when they're with me.
They're constantly working and playing.
Well, when it's supervised.
When it's well supervised.
They do a lot of things.
They do a lot of exercise.
But not jumping on couches and tables like I saw my young daughter doing today.
Would you like to see the show resolve the situation or You may be back as it was.
What are your thoughts about that?
What do you mean, as it was?
Well, about 10 days ago, we were all coming together, studying the Bible.
It was things as usual.
Before JPS got involved.
Right.
Okay, yes.
I would love to see the situation resolved.
I would love to have my children back.
I would love to have my ability to worship God in the way that I feel I want to worship God, which is our American right.
I would love to have that back.
But as it stands right now, I can't worship God the way I want to.
They're taking that from me.
Is there anything else you'd like to say?
One more thing I would like to tell the public, if they can find this out, that I'm really tired of the lies.
I'm really tired of hearing the stories that are being told to the public, seeing how we have no press coverage directly from this facility, from our church.
We have no one telling the world our side.
And watching and listening on the radio, watching on the news reports, the press conferences, watching the lives that the federal agencies hold.
It's astounding, day after day, how far they go.
And that's just one agency.
All the other agencies back there are going to back them up.
That's including our federal government.
We, the people, don't run this government anymore.
We, the people, don't run this country.
They do.
And they tell all the lies they want, and I just... But do you think all of these men are like that going to the United States?
That they're making some sense here?
That they're trying to do their best from a vantage point?
Those that are trying to do their best are trying to do their job.
They have a family back home, too.
But they don't understand what the system is doing.
If they did, they would see their families.
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
Just that I love my family and I hope that my ex does try to get custody of my youngest child, Brian.
That's very important to me.
And that the children know that God does control the situation.
No matter what happens, God is in control.
And I believe that totally.
Okay.
Thank you, Kathy.
We have someone else here now.
May I ask you your name?
My name is Theresa.
And where are you from, Teresa?
I'm from England.
You are.
What brings you over to America, of all places, here in Texas?
Well, about 20 years ago, um, I was seeking truth about the Bible.
I was wondering why we have a Bible that we don't understand, you know.
So I started inquiring, and one day I phoned someone up to talk about this, and they told me someone was coming over from America, and rearranged me.
We had a study and it wasn't so good at first but I continued and then I found that a few of my questions were being answered and I continued.
And then when I met David Koresh, he's answered all my questions.
And there's no doubt about the truth that we were missing.
We were missing before.
We met you and waited.
Okay, so that's what brought you over here to Wastel Sets, of all places, to hear more.
Um, there's been a lot of rumors and statements over the press that you're being held here against your will, and is that true, or what does it say?
That's not true.
I have made my decision to come here because I have been shown the prophecies and, um, We are looking forward to the truth being revealed to the world, and that's why we come here to study as much as we can, so that we can also help others in the world know this truth.
Okay, so you have a vision of things better, maybe an internal vision in your car, is that what you're saying?
Okay.
Did you get to see your daughter on the tape that was sent?
Yeah, I saw my daughter.
Why is it, ladies and gentlemen, that the stupid, ignorant, An apathetic sheeple of America cared nothing about the murder of all of these people who belonged to a little church in Waco, Texas.
People who weren't wanted for anything.
The warrant was for David Craig.
They were all murdered, every single one of them, and now you're all upset because three United Nations soldiers were captured by the Yugoslavians.
I gotta tell you, this reaches new heights of stupidity.
Ignorance.
Apathy.
Manipulation.
You wanna talk about dumb cattle?
Hey, go in your bathroom.
Look in the mirror.
You deserve the title.
You are it.
You are the dumb cattle.
You are stupid.
Ignorant.
And you are the puppets in this world of manipulation.
And everything is in the hands of God right now, and we're just waiting on God.
Whatever happens, you know, it's the way that God wants it to be.
Okay.
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
I'd like to say that if before the children are sent to their families, I'd like them to To try to have some more control over them.
To direct them if they're doing something wrong.
Correct them, you know, while they're in their camp.
Okay.
That's uh, that'll help.
Thank you, Trisha.
Okay, Sita.
I gave you a name, of course.
It was right at your name, I would believe.
Yes, uh, it's really called Sita Rivera Genovi.
Okay.
And where are you from originally?
I'm originally from the Philippines, but I came to the United States in 1968.
And you're almost recently... My home is recently from Hawaii, Oahu.
Okay.
And what brings you to Waco, Texas?
I was... I didn't come for the truth.
I didn't know anything about it.
I came with my husband.
And I always said it back for two or three years.
And as I keep listening to it, it got my ear ringing.
It did?
So you didn't even come here then to want to know the Bible or enter through God or anything?
No, never.
Something religious then?
No, never.
Uh-huh.
Okay, but now, what about now?
Is anyone holding you against your will?
Do you want to leave?
What is your desire?
Nobody's holding my will against anybody.
So you're here by choice still?
Yes.
You don't want to leave then?
No, but I want my kids back here.
What I saw on that film, I wasn't very happy about it.
So you weren't either.
I would imagine it's going to be the same thing I've been hearing.
About the response to the children?
Have you learned anything from the Bible about how parents and children should lead a relationship?
I appreciated the effort to take the pictures and video them, but when I saw I wasn't as
relaxed as I was before.
Have you learned anything from the Bible about how parents and children should be the relationship?
And does it seem to work?
It works with my kids.
At times, I'm black, but they're beautiful kids.
All of them.
In fact, for those that are listening, whoever has children, we've learned from the book, especially the book of Proverbs and the Bible is right, how one should be with their children and how there should be a consistency, a constant love and caring shown to the child.
One should never give or use the hand on a child.
It should always be for hugging and loving.
And one should always stay with that program so the child knows and learns exactly what to expect.
Is that true?
Yes.
Is there anything else you might want to add or say to family, friends, or anything else?
I want to say to the children, I love you all.
I miss you.
Remember what he taught you.
And how you guys eat, your eating habits, and everything you're not supposed to eat when you're eating.
Not supposed to what?
Eating water, drinking water.
Okay.
Okay.
Anything else?
No.
I just hope that the relatives will inquire for them or the family will go to them, whoever rewrote on those papers.
Okay.
Thank you, teacher.
She wants to have something to say to her children.
Auntie Issa, Crystal, I love you very much.
And the rest of you, Vanessa, Natalie, you're the oldest in that group.
Behave and take care of those kids.
Okay?
Love you all.
And what might your name be?
My name is Yvette.
Yvette.
And Yvette, where are you from?
Hazen.
England, as with everyone else who's been asking the same question, what brings you over to Waco, Texas?
Long story.
Long story.
Um, my husband was in college in England.
Alright.
Um, a guy, a guy by the name of Steve Schneider came over to England.
He was giving some Bible stories, some studies.
My husband read some studies without my knowing, my dad.
And, um, I later found out what was going on when my husband came over to the States and we found out that we had a pregnant in the car.
Um, probably a year later, I came to the States to inquire what was going on.
Then I got the truth, too.
I accepted the truth, what was being told.
How far did your husband advance in the college after the Greek?
Anything that I had been to church never showed me.
I was in there for 10 years.
I was speaking truth, said nothing to tell me.
But we went down because the ministers and ministers wives were scared of nothing.
How far did your husband advance in the college after the degree?
Well, as far as the world is concerned, he advanced.
As far as God is concerned, he stayed when we were going to the church.
I was told he had a master's degree?
Oh yeah, he's got a master's degree.
Did he also become a minister for that denomination?
Sure he did.
He wanted to know what he had to say.
He started teaching the truth of the Bible.
They came to believe.
Basically, they kicked him out.
Do you want to leave here?
And are you also being forced against your will to stay here, keeping you from leaving?
Hey, listen.
I can live freely.
I'm a free agent.
I came by myself.
I came my own way.
I came, I went, and I appeased.
And I've decided to stay as I please.
My family know where I am.
They know I'm independent.
I never do anything they want anyway.
Basically, all I've said to them is, I'm old enough to take care of myself.
As long as we're supportive, mainly, that's all I need.
Okay.
And what about your children?
Where are they right now?
My children are out there.
Where?
Wherever.
Out there in the world.
Because of the events of Sunday the 28th.
Two days after my son's 4th birthday.
Do you miss your children?
Well, A, I'm a mother.
Okay.
I'm just not sure because I love them very much.
Well, they were... They were nice enough to video some of the children.
Did you get to see yours?
Yeah.
And the hardest hair was cut.
They didn't ask permission to touch him.
I was furious when I saw him.
And Renee was sad.
I know she wouldn't ask permission, but I think that she was holding a smile.
Also, The treatment, the behavior of the children on the video was very bad.
There was even food that they didn't normally eat that made them very hyperactive.
They were eating whatever they wanted, when they wanted.
They were stuck in front of the cheap television.
There was, as far as I'm concerned, there was no constructive, um, supervision of the children.
And, um, there was, Well, basically, I was just obsessed about being a kid.
I didn't want the mother in the first place.
I sent the mother because I thought that we would die in the slavages of the world if people came in here and shut up my bedroom and everything else with three children in my room.
So I sent the mother to save me, but basically, there would have been a lot of fear if people died here and I would have been safer than being in the happy family.
I just want to save my family.
You know me.
I've been married in Spain.
Even if I die, I know I love you very much.
I'm not going to die in vain, as long as you can believe in what I've been doing.
Can we cut here?
Thank you again.
Two lines were chosen about the story of Daniel.
And, um, his three friends in Babylon said that they took him there to go.
So take kids, remember what that means.
Those guys were taken into Babylon against their will.
They didn't eat at the king's table.
They didn't touch the king's wine.
They ate what they knew God wanted them to eat.
And God gave them the blessing.
God worked through those three children.
You're listening to WBCQ, Monticello, Maine, USA.
This is Curtis Keith, don't forget Federation 45 on FNU's news, ok?
Ok, and what is your name that I have?
Doris Sagan.
Doris Sagan, Doris, where?
You're listening to WBCQ, Monticello, Maine, USA.
Ladies and gentlemen, don't believe the propaganda you're hearing.
The three soldiers who were captured were United Nations soldiers, not United States soldiers.
They were captured within the borders of Yugoslavia.
English, what brings you over to Waco, Texas?
Thank you.
Well, I've been in the Adventist Church for at least five, six years.
I've been studying my Bible and teaching, but the evening in the church is two different things.
Okay.
And I was told that there's somebody here who don't believe in God, and I was very much interested to know.
So I come over to here, and I was amazed Well what does it hurt?
Not being caring about what I'm doing all the time?
I'm feeling that, isn't it?
No.
No.
I'm here because I want to be here.
The rumor has gone around over the radio and the airwaves that you're being held against your will.
Do you have a desire to leave? Would you like to leave?
No.
No.
I'm here because I wanted to be here.
You're here because you wanted to be here.
Yes.
So you want to continue to learn?
Of course!
Have you had any disappointments here as of recent times?
It's hard to say, because it is very important for people to hear what he's got to say.
All I'm trying is to put his word on our opinion, which it is not right before God, because he's not doing things which is wrong, he's doing the right.
He's trying to praise God, and I'm introducing him to listen to what he's got to say.
Is there anything else you'd like to say to a friend, family, abroad, or elsewhere?
Well, my family in England, don't mourn for me, I'm alright.
I'm alive, I'm not dead.
I'm serving a true and living God that sits on the throne, and if you do so, you can't die.
So, don't mourn.
God sits on the throne.
Anything else?
Okay, thank you.
We have over here right next to you, and what is your name?
Lisa Richards.
And where are you from?
Originally I'm from Jamaica, but I reside in Canada for a while.
Okay.
And what brings you here to Waco, Texas?
Well, I have been in church for over 30 years.
And I watch the church go down.
Down how?
Just take a downhill, downhill trend.
The moral and everything has to go down.
You're saying it's moral?
Yes, and the standards have been very low.
And I cried to God because I said there must be something that is better than this religion.
So I heard about Mr. Courage who can open the seven seas.
And I have been reading Revelation and did not understand.
I kept asking about the seals and I was told that Revelation is a closed book and will only be open in the end of time.
I look around and I can see where if this is not the end of time, I don't know when.
So when I heard that he can open heaven's seals, I was so happy to be here to listen to him.
When I came...
...open the seals, that's why I'm here.
So you haven't been disappointed from the answers?
No.
I'm very happy I'm here.
Would you like to leave, and are you being held against your will to leave?
Oh no, if I wanted to go, I could have gone a long time.
Okay, so no one's holding you against your will today?
No one's holding me against my will.
Okay.
Is there anything else you might want to add to family, friends?
Yes, I would like to tell my family and friends In Canada and also Jamaica.
But I'm alive and well.
And I'm happy.
I believe it is the safest place to be on Earth right now.
I'm here for the Word of God for the seven seals.
And it is my greatest desire for them to open their eyes, open their ears, and listen.
And I would be happy if they could be given the opportunity to listen to the seals because it's all alive.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you very much.
Great.
This is Bailey.
This is my two-year-old son.
And your name?
Nicole.
You're Nicole.
And Nikki, where are you from?
I'm from Australia.
And what brings you to America?
Well, um, I came here, it's David.
He said he's moved.
moved, um, then they came over to Australia and originally my whole family was in the
truth, but they left.
When you say, see, people that might be listening right now don't understand cliches, that we
live with issues like truth or seven seals, so, uh, you came here to see and understand
something which you thought might be the truth, is that it?
Yes.
Okay, have you been disappointed?
Not at all.
I've seen things I haven't seen before.
Every question I've ever had has been answered.
And I've seen the whole book, the Bible opening.
Every question I've taken to scholars, I have not been able to answer.
And even before you came to hear David here and sit down and study with him, did you have opportunity to go to any institutions of higher learning before this?
I was in a college doing a diploma, and I did have questions that I didn't have to fill out, and a lot of them couldn't answer my questions.
Oh, it was a religious college.
Yes, it was.
Okay.
Do you have any desire to leave here, and are you being held against your will to do so if you did?
I am not being held against my will.
I desire to stay here.
I do not want to leave.
Um...
Nikki, I know that you mentioned that you wanted to say a few words because of an incident that happened about 10
days ago, which happened, which now left you without a brother.
Did you want to say anything about that, it would seem?
I'm very disappointed.
The whole incident.
We had shared a communion and they shot my brother.
They left his body.
They wouldn't take his body out and bury it.
He'd be buried outside the custody room.
I mean, I thought this was the country of the rich.
Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, whatever.
And just human dignity.
It just doesn't seem to exist.
Is there anything you want to say other than that to those that might be watching, viewing, or to family, friends
anywhere?
I'd like to say to my mom, Marlene.
Mom, I really don't understand this, and I know you're going to be tolerating, but please, you've always told me not to cry, and that's what I want to say.
In the end, you'll understand everything.
Anything else, Nikki?
Okay, thank you.
Crippled Doves, and what may your names be?
Elizabeth.
And your?
Melissa.
Melissa?
And Rose, Melissa, you two seem to be the two controversial persons that the agency wanted to know about because they believe that you, Melissa, wanted to leave and you were being kept against your will.
Maybe we should get into that first.
So, Rose, Melissa, what was that all about the other night?
Well, it's an FBI agent sent an I can hardly hear you.
to translate and he speaks to Marissa and Marissa tells him that she believes on the
condition and you know and I think the feeling to her is constantly telling me that I'm a
fair, that she wants to go, that she wants to be a friend, you know.
I can hardly hear you, I hope that it comes across on the camera.
Again?
Yes, so anyway, let's ask the question from the left.
Melissa, do you want to leave here?
No.
You don't?
Are you sure?
Did you tell Dick on the phone though that you would leave if they allowed a Robert Gonzales?
Remember that name, Robert Gonzales?
They asked you if David could talk to him, then they asked you would you leave then, and what did you say?
Yeah.
But what about now?
Do you want to leave now?
Are you sure?
Is your mom holding you against your will right now?
Are you sure?
Ladies and gentlemen, they're making an awful lot about the Geneva Convention and the atrocities being committed in Yugoslavia.
Remember that the Soviet Union was a signatory to the Geneva Convention.
Yugoslavia under the Geneva Convention, under the Soviet Union, may have also been a signatory.
But since the fall of the Iron Curtain, there's a new government in Yugoslavia.
And therefore, Yugoslavia is not, cannot be, a signatory to the Geneva Convention.
and is not required to obey the Geneva Convention.
They're no longer a member of the Soviet Union, which was the primary signatory.
It's a new government.
Also, ladies and gentlemen, understand that the NATO forces is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, committed to the defense of the member states under the NATO Charter formed under the auspices of the United Nations Charter.
Yugoslavia is not a member of NATO.
Under the NATO Charter, NATO has no authority over Yugoslavia, has no authority to intervene in Yugoslavia, has no authority under its own charter to do anything whatsoever in Yugoslavia.
Yugoslavia is not a member of NATO.
Do you think that's true?
Yes.
Okay.
What do you have to say about that, Rose?
Well, it's perhaps true.
If he sells me an area that he doesn't want to leave, he doesn't want to leave me.
He just wants to leave the country.
Okay.
Well, I can understand that.
Especially in relation to what's all happened here very recently.
Um, so why did you come here again in the first place, uh, Rose?
Well, it's a long story, but I'll be brief.
Yeah, okay.
Brief as possible.
Well, so, a couple of years ago, um, well, Andre's been related to me, and, uh, in the same position as he was with Arthur, and not too many of these are viable, and, um, a friend of mine came to my home, and he said that it's the one that can I've been here and I've not been disappointed with what I've
heard.
Okay. Do you want to leave yourself? No. Are you being held against your will?
Of course not.
Okay.
So the reason you stay then, is there some reason why you're staying here, even for the very reason that there could be harm to your own person and to your daughter?
Why would you even chant something like that?
There was no harm here.
The reason why I stay here is like I said before, about someone that you know from the prophecy.
Things that have happened here, it's painful.
There's no reason to be violent.
Why haven't you walked out already?
What are you waiting for?
Okay, well the show didn't show anything so great.
We also didn't see the events that take place.
And we also today have another group with us, but I guess it doesn't appear like they're all here, so we'll just wait a moment, just a second.
You're in what appears to be a family, and where is this family from?
I'm from England.
You're from England, and what is your last name?
Henry.
Henry.
Would you like to give your first name, starting with the young lady to the far left?
Your right.
Diana.
Diana?
I'm Phil.
I'm Paulina.
I'm Steven.
I'm Vanessa.
I'm Phillip.
And what brings you all the way from England, the nice lovely home of which I've seen and been in, what brings you to America to a place called Waco, Texas?
Or Waco, Waco, Texas?
Anybody want to speak first?
I've always wanted to know, understand the Bible, and I want you to know about the seven seals, and I'm not sure that you can show me the seven seals.
I have my pastors, my ministers, I work for them, send their messages.
Whether you can show me and not, I'm fine with what I've been looking for.
So you haven't been even slightly disappointed?
Not at all.
Have you asked the hardest questions that you ever possibly could ask in regards to anything religious?
I have and they couldn't tell me anything.
They just kept saying it's wrong, it's wrong, but they couldn't tell me the way it was wrong.
Have you ever had anybody or have you ever seen in your experience in the past few years anybody controvert what this man that you say can do this has?
Not at all.
I've tried myself.
Nobody has.
No.
Okay, the rumor has been that you're being held against your will.
Does anyone here want to leave and are you being held against your will?
No.
No way.
And what is your choice then?
What would you like to do as of leaving or staying?
I'd like to stay.
As long as he stays to stay, I'll stay.
And... Okay, go ahead.
I'm sorry, I'm concerned.
I ain't going nowhere.
I'm concerned when I stay because I believe that where I am is the right place.
And that, you know, we're family here, and, you know, I really like it here.
I know that I'm not going to be leaving this show.
I'd like to say, too, that I know the people in England.
They thought that I was born into being here, and that is not true at all.
This is my own choice.
I've wanted to stay here.
I've come here, and I've wanted to stay here, and this is where I want to be, and I don't want to leave.
Okay.
This is a life and death situation, and I want to live eternally.
And I would like my sisters, my mom and my friends not to worry about us because we are okay.
Okay, so this seems to be a very important issue to you, that you're being over here and you're hearing and seeing the Bible.
So you're looking to something other than what the world might understand, to things that you don't see with your physical eyesight.
Okay.
Is there anything else anyone would like to say in regards to family, to friends, or about any other issues?
Well, I'd like to say that I know that there's a lot of my friends in England who are probably just as worried about the things that I'm doing here.
But I'd like to know that I'm fine.
I feel that I'm going to be alright and I'll see them again one day.
Because I think I am never going to be able to see them again.
Do you hold any animosity or anything against anybody anywhere?
No.
Okay.
Anything else you might want to add?
I'd like to say hello to my grandma and I'd like to tell you not to worry.
You know, I'm not held here as a hostage or anything.
If any of us wants to leave, we can just go now today.
You know we've been back and forth here previously.
I'd just like to tell you not to worry, and that I will see you soon.
We've got three more agents.
Okay.
Anything else?
I'd just like to say that Mr. Kersh has been the most intelligent person I've ever met.
He's nothing like what the media expects him to be.
So you would wish that and you desire that they would even have an open access to be able to ask any kind of question of any subject matter?
Okay, well maybe someday that'll be able to be happening, I don't know.
I'd also like to say to my friends that a lot of you know that I approach young Christians and none of you could show me anything and you know that I approach the ministry and I'd like to say keep an open ear Okay.
Is that it?
Thank you.
Okay.
When you have the opportunity to use it and keep it open ear.
Anything else?
I'd like to say to Mr. Henry that what he's been saying should mix with error.
I wish he would listen at this time and that he would find the real truth in this message.
Okay. Is that it?
Thank you.
Ophelia, thank you very much.
And Ophelia, what brings you here to Waco, Texas?
Texas.
I heard about this man that was teaching the 7th seal, and since I was always looking for some more truth, the truth that the church didn't have.
And so you found him to be able to open up much to you?
Yes.
It's been said that you're being held against your will, that you're not able to leave.
Do you desire to leave or are you being held against your will?
I have desire to stay.
I don't want to go.
So you're not being held against your will here?
No.
You also mentioned to me a little earlier that you wanted to say something to your son who is not here and what might that be?
Oh yes, I wanted to tell my son that I got his message and not to worry because this thing has to happen.
Remember that I taught you that prophecy has to be fulfilled and the time has come.
Okay.
Is there anything else you might want to say to anyone else?
Also to my family in Mexico.
They don't have to worry about it because they know that these prophecies have to be fulfilled.
And I want to send my love to them and also my mother.
And I want them to read Inyam.
The Book of Inyam.
Yeah, the Book of Inyam.
And how about it?
Psalm 45.
Isaiah 45.
Okay.
Thank you very much, Ophelia.
My name is Derek Lovelock.
And where are you from, Derek?
I'm from England.
What brings you here?
Well, I hear there's a man that can open the book of Ezekiel 17.
The book meaning the Bible?
Bible, yes.
Have you been disappointed?
No.
Have you done any other study of other denominations or religion in the world?
I was a friend of Derek Benjy for seven years.
What were you before that?
I don't know.
Some kind of religion, I think.
Okay.
Do you want to leave here?
No, I don't want to leave here.
I feel quite safe here.
You don't need to put me to leave.
Is someone holding you here against your will?
No, nobody's holding me against my will.
Okay.
Also, it's been mentioned that there's a number that would like to leave here.
Would you like to see this resolved peaceably?
Yes, I would.
And so your hope still is that it will be?
Yeah, that is my hope.
Have you noticed that to be the tenor and the attitude of those people that are here?
Yes.
Okay, we have not brought that issue up, so we should bring it up now.
Is there anything else you might want to say to family, friend, or anything?
Well, I'd just like to say hello to my family back in England.
Not to worry, I'm in the States.
I'm residing in Spain.
Because this is the only time that I'll probably be able to fulfill the promise that you put in your revelation.
Okay.
Thank you.
I just want to tell you that I've been involved in a lot of religions, and they're all bogus, and they're all full of it.
This is the truth.
I know this is the truth.
And for anybody that knows me, you know that I wouldn't give you something that I didn't think was right.
And don't worry about me, because anything is okay.
Real quickly, are you being held against your will?
No, no, no.
Do you have a desire to leave here?
No.
You don't?
No.
Thank you, Lisa.
You're welcome.
I'm Scott Sunobi, and I'm not being held here against my will.
I want my father, Ken Sunobi, in Honolulu to get my kids.
If you're watching, I want you to have my two daughters, Angelica and Crystal Sunobi.
And do you have a phone number you might want to give them again?
It's 808- 6, 8, 9, 4, 4, 5, 7.
Anything else you might want to say?
Don't worry about me.
I'll be good.
We're going to be just fine.
God's in control.
Okay, thank you Scott.
Comment here because we're running out of time and this is only an hour tape.
This is Steve Schneider that has been filming, by the way, and it's probably been quite a few.
The comment is that there are a lot more people that did want to talk.
If I would have known that, I would have used a longer tape.
So we might pick up on this a little later.
Many of the men here have not obviously come to the camera and spoken.
There are still a number of others, but the overall tenor and the attitude in here is that people do not want to leave, no one is being held against their will.
So we might get into some other subject matters here in another day or two, so we'll be in touch, and we thank you for your patience, and we're trying to work this out with you, and we'll do the best we can.
But remember, the God of David Clare said, wait, and that's basically what we're doing.
Not to be against or defend anyone else or to slow down any process but we do believe in a living God as Revelation 7 shows.
Thank you and we will pass this on to you.
Kathy's back and you wanted to make one final statement and you didn't earlier because why?
I didn't want to say anything earlier.
I didn't have an emotional composure.
I want to add one more thing if I may.
Bear with me.
I'll finish up in a second.
Sunday, my husband was killed by ATF agents.
I want everyone to know that that was totally against him just coming home to his family.
He didn't kill anybody.
Okay, we'll pass that on.
Thank you.
This is David Koresh, Steve Schneider Filming.
The date today is the 8th, which is Monday, the 8th of March.
It is about 4 30 in the afternoon.
David, anything you'd like to say?
First of all, I'd like to thank the negotiators that we've been discussing with on the phone.
We're finishing up on a very articulate portrait of what we perceive each of these Fine gentlemen to be.
I'd like to share with you uh some of my family.
Being that uh of course obviously everyone in the world knows something about it.
And we just thought we'd kind of break the ice and allow people to see just exactly you know what kind of people we have here.
Let's start off first of all with my oldest son.
His name is Cyrus.
How old are you?
Seven.
Seven.
Say hello to everybody.
Hi.
Oh, there's Adam.
There's a camera right there.
What do you think about all this, son?
I don't know.
You don't know?
You have faith in God?
Yes.
Okay.
You want to wave to all your friends out there?
Been taking to the people on the outside?
What would you like to have if you could have this thing right now?
What would you like to have?
Um... I don't know.
You don't know?
Would you like to ride your motorcycle today?
Yeah.
Huh?
Tell me you got a motorcycle.
I got a motorcycle.
Anyway, Bella June.
Hi, June.
Hi, June.
Hello, John.
Hello, John.
Gary.
Gary.
Henry.
Henry.
John.
John.
There's another John, too.
John.
And don't forget Dick.
Dick.
Dick the killer.
Okay, we'll talk to you two later, okay?
Okay, who's your sister?
Huh?
Bob.
Bob.
Do you want to come and talk a little bit?
Yeah.
Okay.
So, do you want to come and talk a little bit?
Yes, I'd be glad.
Would you?
Yes, I'd be glad.
Okay.
Are you happy?
Thanks for the milk, too.
Thanks for the milk, too.
You don't drink it, do you?
No.
Who drinks the milk?
The baby.
Okay, thanks for the milk.
Come on, Star.
Come on up up here.
Come on down here.
Hey, Star.
Show them Daddy's face.
You're my love baby, right?
Huh?
You love daddy?
You love all your friends on the outside?
You want to see them soon?
Yes.
Okay, you look good?
Yes.
Are you a good girl?
Yes.
Say hello to them.
Hi.
Thanks for the milk.
You're welcome.
Move around.
What would you like to do today if you could do anything you wanted to?
Go on the swing.
Go on the swing?
Okay.
Anything else to say?
You don't know?
It's funny looking at the camera, isn't it?
Okay, say goodbye.
How old are you?
Five.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
Love you.
There's our little baby.
Where's Papa at?
Love you.
Oh, there's our little baby.
Where's Papaya at?
Ah, Papi.
Say Dada.
Yeah.
Wave at the camera, Bobby.
Wave at the camera.
Wave, there you go.
Bobby's our little clown here. Wave at the camera Bobby.
Wave at the camera. Wave, there you go. Say hello.
Hello.
How old are you, Bobby?
Huh?
How old are you?
One?
I'm one year old.
Who'd you like to do today besides drink some of that milk they sent you, huh?
Want to drink some milk?
Huh?
Want some bubba?
Want some milk?
Huh?
Want some num-num?
No.
Alright, do you have some milk yet?
Huh?
Okay, give me a big kiss.
Give me a big kiss.
Give me a big kiss.
Big kiss.
Thank you.
Okay, go to Mama.
Okay, go to Mama, Bobby.
No, over here.
Okay, go to Mommy.
Come on.
No, no, no.
No?
Over here.
Okay, go to Mommy.
Come on.
Love you.
Ah.
Okay.
Come on, Baylen.
Hey, hot rod.
Oh, jeez.
Say hello.
Are you gonna wave at the camera there?
What's your name?
Baylen.
Uh-huh.
Baylen, how old are you?
Huh?
Three.
Three?
What's your momma's name?
Sneaky.
Huh?
Sneaky?
Come on, you can talk real good.
Tell them your ABCs.
Lion.
I'm sorry for the cold and the laughing.
I'm sorry for the cold and the laughing.
Why?
Now I know my words?
Now I know my words?
I'm just sorry for my face.
Why don't you come and sing with me?
Do you want Jake and all of them to come and sing ABC's with you, son?
Huh?
Do you love your daddy?
How much do you love me?
How much?
Huh?
Three.
Three?
You love me three?
No more than three?
Okay.
Anyway, is that everything?
Love you.
Go get your sister.
Okay.
Go get your sister.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Hey, Pages!
What you doing?
Pages, look!
Pages!
Look, look!
Pages!
Over here!
Over here!
Are you one of Pages' dogs?
Huh?
Are you one of Pages' dogs?
Oh, she just turned one too, huh?
Yeah, this is our little girl, Pages.
She's sweetie, huh?
She's an Australian baby.
Half American, half Australian.
You wanna sing?
Pages.
Up your hands, Pages.
Clap.
Clap.
Pages. Pages. Up your hands, Pages.
Clap. Clap.
Crank. Wanna clap?
Up your hands.
Say hello Dick.
Hello John.
Hello Jim.
Hello guys.
Oh, that's so sweet.
You want to see Mama?
You want to sit down with her for a second?
You want to sit down with him for a second?
Sure.
Now you can sit down here. Tell him a little bit about yourself.
Tell me a little bit about yourself.
How did we meet, Niki?
Um, we met in Australia.
Okay.
About, uh, five years ago, I guess.
How in clear?
Almost five years ago.
Yeah.
At my parents' house.
And, um...
That's another mystery thing as well.
Well, I mean, I came over to meet you, didn't I?
Yeah.
And who knew about it?
It came over to get you, didn't it?
Yeah.
And who knew about it?
Everyone who dealt with me.
But I've met you two years before, haven't I?
Yeah.
And of course you had nothing to do with me whatsoever, right?
Well, you know, we've been teaching, trying to teach some of our friends here in the FBI, the Seven Seals.
Well, that's about it, ladies and gentlemen.
and And I'll be back in just a couple of minutes and we'll do the rest of the broadcast taking your calls.
And I want to tell you that the person who called about 15 minutes ago trying to tell me how to run this broadcast and what to do, don't bother.
Because I'll burn your ass so quick.
you won't even know what the hell happened to you.
I'm not even gonna try.
The phones are open. 520-333-4578 is the number.
I'm going to get a new car.
What do you think about what you just heard?
This was the testimony of the real Branch Davidians that you never heard before, and I think you should have heard.
Isn't it amazing that President Clinton pretends to be such a moral humanitarian when he butchered and murdered these people?
The number is 520-333-4578.
The number is 520-333-4578.
That's 520-333-4578.
We'll be taking your calls for the rest of the broadcast.
520-333-4578.
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You never give me a...
Out!
I'm William Cooper.
Ladies and gentlemen, for those of you still listening, I understand a lot of you gave
up because you couldn't quite understand what it was that was being said on the tape.
Nevertheless, it was said, and it was said over international shortwave radio, and that's what's important, whether you could understand it or not.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hey, good evening, Mr. Cooper.
Good evening.
Hey, I wanted to check in with you on something.
Number one, I've heard bits and pieces of that on the way here, the rules of engagement.
Yes.
I need you to talk a lot louder.
Yeah, let me try it again here.
I'm on this crummy phone, apparently.
You know the U.N.
Supreme Commander Wesley Clark, I believe his name is?
Yeah, this hypocrite who's bombing the hell out of the people in Yugoslavia who express such anger that the Yugoslavians dare capture three of His supposed people, and it turns out they weren't his people at all.
They were UN peacekeeping forces belonging to United Nations command that are not a part of NATO, that have nothing to do with NATO, that apparently, while they were patrolling a border, in a convoy of Humvees in a patrol, decided to go off on their own across the border and got captured.
Yep.
Well, you know, there's a couple of interesting things I heard about him on CBS News the first night of the bombing.
Number one is that he's from Little Rock, Arkansas.
Did you know that?
Oh my goodness.
Oh, this is another Clintonista, communista, bullshit propaganda artist promoted because not that he was eligible for a promotion, but that he was a friend of Herr Clinton.
Yeah, well, there's another interesting fact for you, too, is that back in 95, he's already had a little dispute with Milosevic already back in 95.
He wanted to take a couple of Humvees through some territory.
He wouldn't let him.
He had to take a more treacherous route, and one of those Humvees flipped and burned with the passengers inside, so he's got a particular bone to pick with this guy already.
Oh, isn't that something?
Yes, sir, and I've heard both of these on CBS News at 6.30 a.m.
This whole thing is falling apart.
Even the Communist News Network cannot keep the truth from the people of the world.
They're beginning to let it out, little by little.
And not because they want to, it's because they have to.
It's because the world, the American people and the world are not for this war, and they are roasting people because of it.
We need to get out, buddy.
And thanks a lot for your time.
You're welcome.
Thanks for calling.
520-333-4578 is the number.
It's 520-333-4578 is the number.
We're going to be taking your calls for the rest of this hour.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hello?
Chicken plucker.
That's what you call somebody who calls in and doesn't have the guts to talk.
What's the matter with you?
I'm just one lonely person just like you.
I got the guts to talk.
I mean, why haven't you got the guts to talk?
What's the problem here?
Why is it that you put the whole load on me?
What do you think I am?
Superman or something?
I'm not.
I'm just one lonely person just like you.
In most instances, it's exactly the same.
I mean, what's the problem?
What is it?
What's going on here?
You know?
When you call in, call in to talk.
520-333-4578.
What do you think about what's going on?
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hey, Mr. Cooper, how are you?
I'm fine.
I need you to talk a lot louder, though.
Yes, sir.
I'll give the record to Al Bone.
That's better.
Hey, you know, something is just burning me up right now.
Put your mouth right in front of the mouthpiece and please talk louder.
Yell if you have to.
Can you hear me?
That's better.
Well, we got this dog gone past this organization in our area of Indiana here.
Every time a soldier would come home and get in a fight, they'd be protesting about it.
I could name the religious outfit, but I don't think that's probably right.
You know, And that's all we hear about how much they're for peace and all this stuff and, you know, around here, their relatives and stuff.
Now, wait a minute.
I don't understand what the... Oh, well, let me get to the point.
But right now, where there's all this carnage, they're not saying anything!
I mean, there's all this... I'm not for wars of any kind.
I mean, who would want to You mean they're anti-soldiers during peacetime and during war they keep their mouth shut?
Is that what you're saying?
Well, you know what you do?
the way they came over and now for some reason it's like there's nothing coming from these
people when it's this administration doing it.
Well you know what you do? You take a video camera and you go down and you get an interview
on tape with the person in charge and you ask them all those questions and you send
me the tape and I'll make sure that I embarrass the hell out of them.
Thank you.
I mean, as a world... No, no, listen to me.
It doesn't do you any good to complain like that on this radio broadcast, unless you're willing to pin them to the wall.
Yes, sir.
So you go with a video camera and you ask them why they do the things they do when it doesn't matter and then why they don't do the things they should be doing when it does matter.
Get it on videotape.
Send it to me.
I will make sure that they pay for that.
Now if you can't do that, I mean just calling me up and complaining about this doesn't mean anything.
If you want to make a difference Take my suggestion to heart.
Can you do that?
Yeah, yes sir.
I always do that when more experienced and knowledgeable folks tell me to do something.
I try to make it a practice to do what they say.
Then get a video camera and go do it.
Yes sir.
Yeah, I understand complaining.
Make it count.
Make it count.
Most of the people listening to this broadcast don't know what the hell you're talking about anyway.
Pardon me?
I said most of the people listening to this broadcast don't know what the hell you're talking about anyway because you're talking about a local issue.
This is a national and worldwide broadcast.
These folks are all over the United States.
Well, we don't know that.
You have chosen not to tell us that.
I mean, is it permissible to say what it is?
I didn't know.
Well, what I would prefer that you do Go get it on videotape and send it to us and we'll make use of that.
I'll just do what you're saying, man.
It doesn't do any good to just call up and complain because nobody knows if you're telling the truth or not.
If you get it on videotape, it's in their words, then we can use it.
Okay?
Yes, sir.
Alright.
Hey, you already got a good broadcast.
Thanks for calling.
Goodnight.
520-333-4578.
Folks, don't call us and complain about local issues.
That's your problem.
If it's a national issue, if it's a national organization, if it's a worldwide organization, get it on videotape.
Send it to us.
Even if we don't use it on video, we may be able to use it on audio on our worldwide broadcast.
If it's in their own words, it's not your word against them.
It's proof.
Do you understand what I'm talking about?
Help us out.
Don't be a part of the problem.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Yeah, Bill, at the beginning of the program I heard you say that the Arkbill website had been taken over by, was it Serbian or Yugoslavian forces or something to that effect?
Yeah, have you been there?
No, I haven't.
Well, go there!
Why are you calling me there?
I told you what to do.
I told you what happened.
I don't have access to the internet right now.
Well, go and find a neighbor who does.
Don't take up valuable airtime on this bullshit.
I was just wondering if it's just April Fool's.
Don't take up valuable airtime on this bullshit.
It is not an April Fool's joke.
It is a reality.
I told you what to do.
Go there, look for yourself.
Don't eat up valuable air time on this crap with Art Bell.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hello Bill, this is Dave.
How do you hear me?
Good.
I've been listening to your show.
It's very interesting.
And these three soldiers, a lot of the audience won't agree with me, but you're the expert on military justice.
If they took a war vehicle, They're invaders.
That's right.
Yes.
And they're invaders.
But you will never get NATO, the United Nations, or the United States government to admit that.
I saw somebody...
But you will never get NATO, the United Nations, or the United States government to admit that.
They will never admit it.
They won't admit it, but the people on the air are hearing it.
Yes, they are.
And it's the truth.
And if I see some Hummer coming down the road with foreign troops, I won't stay on the air long.
I think I'd be in the right, with constitutionally and in the eyes of God, to pop them off.
Yeah, but they didn't even pop them off.
They took them captive.
I know, they're being nice guys.
That's exactly right.
They could have killed them.
They didn't do it.
They could have killed him for espionage.
In fact, in light of what we have been doing to their country, don't you think it took a tremendous amount of restraint not to kill them?
I think so.
I think so, too.
I think, United, I think their families, and I think people in this country, Better be thanking the Serbs for not killing them when they had every reason in the world to kill them!
I agree with you a hundred percent.
And if they wind up shot and executed, I have no sympathy.
I have no sympathy either.
They crossed the border.
They went into Yugoslavia.
They did it on a lark.
With this young man's feeling of invincibility.
They left their patrol convoy and they should not have done it.
And all of my sources within the Pentagon tell me that they were out of line and that they did it on a lark.
That they should not have done it and that they absolutely were in Yugoslavia when they were captured.
And Yugoslavia is not a party to the Geneva Convention.
And only the parties who signed the Geneva Convention are parties to that Convention and have to obey it.
Now, the Soviet Union signed the Geneva Convention and so did all of the satellite nations of the Soviet Union when it was proposed way back when.
The Soviet Union has fallen.
It is not the same government.
This government in Yugoslavia is not the same government that was, or used to be, a party to the Geneva Convention under the old Soviet Union.
They are not a party to it.
They need not live up to it.
They need not even abide by it, or even read it, for that matter.
And these men have committed an act of war against Yugoslavia, a sovereign nation that has not provoked any action toward them by attacking any nation outside their borders whatsoever, and they are by rights and by law entitled to try these three men by a military court-martial or tribunal or whatever you want to call it.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, Phil.
Well, I'll sign off, and God bless you.
Keep up the good work.
Well, God bless you, too.
And don't get me wrong, ladies and gentlemen, I feel sorry for these young men.
They're enlisted men.
They're pawns in the game.
They had no idea what they were doing.
They were just three young bucks feeling their oats, thinking that because they belonged To the United States Army assigned to the United Nations Peacekeeping Force that they could just go off and do whatever the hell they wanted to do and they got themselves in trouble.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yeah, Bill.
Yes, sir.
Can you hear me?
I certainly can.
How much biblically can I talk or not?
How much what?
I would prefer that you leave religion out of this.
This is not a religious broadcast.
If you want to preach religion, I suggest that you... We'll make it real quick.
I'd just like to make one statement, that's all.
Well, make it real quick, but if it's...
Okay, which most people should read, Deuteronomy 28.
You know what?
I am really sick and tired of all you religious wackos out there who think the world revolves
around your religion.
Why don't we read the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 3?
Why don't we do that?
And I'm not saying this to be disrespectful of your religion.
I am saying that by shoving your religion down everybody else's throat, you are being disrespectful to the world.
And don't get me wrong, I'm a Christian, whether you believe that or not.
And when I did broadcasts asking you questions, and that's what I did, who told the truth?
Jesus?
The Bible?
Or your preacher?
Oh boy, did I get some letters.
All I did was say, who told the truth?
Well, who told the truth?
If it was Jesus and it contradicts what you believe, then you're wrong.
If it was the Bible and it contradicts what you believe, then you're wrong.
If it was your preacher and it contradicts what you believe, then you're wrong.
The purpose of these broadcasts is not to shove religion down your throat.
But to make you think about what you believe and make you examine your beliefs so that you become stronger in them, or if they are wrong, you abandon them.
And the biggest complaint is that I said, if the world believes that Jesus is coming back for the second time, you are wrong.
He has already done that.
And I am absolutely correct.
The first time, he was born of the Virgin Mary.
The second time, he was dead and laid in the tomb, and then he came back, was risen up.
That's the second time.
I ask you these questions, and I ask you to examine all of these things, and most of you are so stupid, you never even bothered to ask.
But is he coming back the second time the wrong question?
Should we more properly ask, is he coming back for the third time?
But you can't ask that.
You haven't a brain.
You must criticize me and condemn me because I simply ask the questions.
And you haven't got the brains to seek out the answers.
You would rather say that Jesus lied than admit that he has already come for the second time, and you might be looking for the third coming instead of the second coming, you stupid, ignorant, apathetic sheeple.
My tip was not to tell you what to believe.
My intent was not to hurt your religion.
My intent was not to condemn Christianity.
My intent was to try as hard as I could to make you think instead of blindly believe what you are told.
And if that is my crime, I plead guilty.
How about that?
520-333-4578 is the number.
We've got time for maybe one or two more calls.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know much about anything anymore.
Except the harder I try to help people, the more those people try to destroy or hurt me.
I don't understand that.
I've given more than any of you in this cause.
And instead of help, except for a minority who always help, what I get, really, is hurt, condemnation, injury, destruction, you name it.
That's what comes down around my ears.
By the very people who I am trying to help.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Yes, Mr. Cooper.
Yes, sir.
I enjoy your views and opinions.
I heard a broadcast on Voice of Russia, maybe a week ago, and they were discussing something called the Foundation Act that was signed between their government and NATO.
Now, does that make them part of NATO, or what is their connection with NATO?
No.
All things up to this point have been exploratory, and Russia is not and has never been a part of NATO.
Well, what is its foundation act, then?
Well, I don't know.
But I do know that Russia is not a part of NATO, has never been.
It may have been an act of what?
I mean, who passed the act?
Well, it was, according to the voice of Russia, it was an agreement between the government
of Russia and NATO.
Well, it may have been a foundation of processes where they would explore how Russia would
become a partner in NATO.
That doesn't mean that Russia would be a partner in NATO.
I mean, it's a very simple thing.
That's what I would suspect.
But Russia is not a partner in NATO, has never been.
NATO has been trying to work up to that, but I think they've pretty much destroyed that, and it's not going to happen.
Well, there was also a program on Radio Latvia where the head of the contact group was saying that there had been proposals made to the Serbs for Got to make it quick.
Come on.
and stop stuttering and...
Okay, for dividing Kosovo into two parts, and the northern part to go to the Serbs and
the southern part to go to the Albanians.
Unfortunately, that's unrealistic and can't happen because Kosovo is holy ground to the
Serbs, and if you study the history of that, you'll find out why.
And we're out of time, so I've got to let you go.
Good night, folks.
God bless each and every single one of you.
I hope you wake up, and I hope you begin to make a difference instead of being a part of the problem.
All of a sudden, in the middle of the night, there's a loud knock on your door.
Hey, Heinz? Something's not right.
TURN OFF YOUR HEARTS!
IT'S TOO LATE!
We're here for the betterment.
We're here to help you.
I'm from the I.R.S.
with a power to touch.
I'm from the IRS with a power to tax.
If you've got a complaint, send us a fax.
You know, Judge, Judge, Judge, give me your tools.
Is that okay, by the rules?
As you wish, sir.
Thank you for your tools.
I'm a man of my word.
I've sent Lucifer and Scott across this land.
And put the same jigsaw marks in your right hand.
While we're all dancing to the drums of uproar of life.
Friends preparing it for another use.
Act as I do.
Order out of chaos, depression, inflation.
Create the panic and rape the nation.
Crisis creation.
Insight, black and white, program, and education.
Don't miss this!
You're surrounded by the UN and white proves they can't prevent blacks from the one world order.