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March 23, 1999 - Bill Cooper
01:01:53
Contrails
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Don't tell me that you know.
Please, please, I know everything's fine.
It's an incredible experience to feel the power of a sizzling fire.
It's a great feeling.
Oh uh...
you're looking to the power of the car armory and cooper well folks uh...
we've got a lot more than a month away Art Bell did it again.
Yep.
Oh, Art Bullshit Bell did it again.
Mass hysteria erupted again across the nation late last Wednesday night, early Thursday morning after Art Bell interviewed one William Thomas on Art Bell Overnight.
Thomas is the major figure pushing the, uh, the, uh, jet contrails are killing us hoax.
During the broadcast, William Thomas revealed that a man named Joe Burton was sprayed and has allegedly been diagnosed with, listen to this folks, I can't even pronounce all of these things, Hepatitis A, Rabies, That's right, I said, rabies, Epstein-Barr, flu-83, V2 gripe,
N-T-BOC-L-methanol-L-lucol-L-phenylaluoliumarine, N-dimethylglycine, hydrochloride, trifluoronitrosomethane,
and, yep, folks, even turpentine.
Ha ha ha!
Can you believe this?
I just love it.
Now, you see, if all that were all true, rabies?
Rabies!
For God's sake, rabies!
There hasn't been anybody yet that I know of, but He got rabies, and you're going to be amazed at where he got these things from.
Rabies?
If all that were true, folks, old Joe would most probably be dead.
Now, we all know that, don't we?
Old Joe would most probably be dead.
Our investigation demonstrates that Joe Burton is an extremely dangerous, paranoid, racist nut.
That's right.
He heard me correctly.
You see, he claims that he contracted all of these diseases and chemicals and things from jet plane contrails.
Yeah, those little lines that you see in the sky.
He constantly raves on Usenet about his exploits, which usually means they occur only in his wildest dreams.
And Thomas, William Thomas, with a malfunctioning bullshit filter, Except anything that supports his contrail hoax.
That old Art B. S. Bell picked up the ball, as usual, and blabbed it all over the worldwide radio before checking to see if there is any factual basis for the story, and in the process promoted the insane ratings of a well-known racist nut.
Bullshit lies and disinformation have become Art Bell's stock in trade.
You all know that.
It's incredible what's flying across this country, ladies and gentlemen.
We're going to be talking about that tonight, and we have a special guest.
My good friend Jay Reynolds is going to be our guest tonight.
He called me, well, he had been sending me things on contrails for a long time in email, and then we talked.
I've persuaded him to do a story for Veritas based upon his research.
And many of you that have received Veritas have read the story.
Well, there's an updated version that's posted on the internet on our website, harvest-trust.org.
Harvest-trust.org.
If you'll go to the home page, you'll see this Art Bell did it again story, and at the bottom of that story is a link to those mysterious lines in the sky.
Which is all of the research, facts, documentation, and sources for the truth about jet contrails, and what they're really doing, and of course, what they're not doing.
And mostly, they're not doing much at all, which is the case for just about most things that fly aground in the so-called, quote, patriot, end quote, community.
Because of all the wackos who call themselves patriots, you know, I hesitate to even use that name anymore.
Just like although I believe in the teachings of Jesus, I hate to call myself a Christian because of all of the wacko nuts out there that call themselves Christians.
I don't want to be associated with any of them.
Most of them are nuttier than any fruitcake that I've ever seen on any Christmas table.
Be that as it may, there is so much disinformation, so many lies, so many con jobs going concerning these contrails that, uh, even though the story's plain and veritas, I decided to do a broadcast tonight and just cover this subject thoroughly.
Put it to bed, so to speak.
So if you're one of these wacky loony tune nuts that have been running around at the Conchails are killing us!
We're all dying!
The hospitals are packed wall to wall!
I'm going to embarrass you.
I'm going to make you look like the idiot that you are.
I don't care who you are.
I don't care how good your intentions are.
If you're one of these wacko idiot creeps that hurt us all, By taking every rumor that crosses between the airspace between your ears and passes it on without ever checking it out or doing one single little bit of inquisitive work to try to ascertain the truth of it, then, buddy, you ain't no friend of mine.
You're not part of the solution.
You are a major part of the problem.
And when I say major, I mean major.
And somehow, we've got to make you stop it.
And if the only way to do that is just embarrass the holy hell out of you, that's exactly what we'll do.
And we'll start doing it tonight.
So folks, hang on to your hats.
It's going to be a bumpy ride.
Later on, we'll be taking your calls.
She packed my bags last night, and we fly zero out, 9 a.m.
And I'm gonna be high, as a kite rider.
I miss the earth so much.
Running my way.
Lonely child to play.
I'm running my way Lonely child I play
On such a high high pathway And I think it's gonna be alright
But that's okay, cause we're gonna get through fine.
I'm not gonna marry this guy I'm married for.
I'm not in love at all.
I'm a rockin' man.
A rockin' man.
I'm gonna be around all night, till the sun comes up.
The sun's gonna break and we're gonna catch some fire.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna lie.
I'm not gonna lie.
the world.
In fact, it's cold as hell.
And there's no one there to raise them if you did You've got to find, I know what you've got
You've got to watch out, I say So rock and roll, rock and roll
You've got to feel lost somewhere You've got to stop thinking about your dearest
You've got to learn that you've got your mind on the ground You've got to stop thinking about your dearest
Rock and roll, rock and roll You've got to stop thinking about your dearest
And I think it's gonna be a long, long time But someday, we're going to get to the point.
I'm not going to lie to you.
I am not going to promise that we're going to go.
I'm a rocket scientist.
I'm a rocket scientist.
The world's in our hands.
I'll take it on.
Well, I think he's gonna be a long, long time.
Better you than he was.
And I think it's gonna be a long, long time And I think it's gonna be a long, long time
And I think it's gonna be a long, long time And I think it's gonna be a long, long time
Bye.
Ladies and gentlemen, we've already stirred up a hornet's nest.
Had one of the nuts that's been spreading the rumor called, and he identified himself exactly in that manner.
He said, I'm one of the nuts that's been spreading this.
I said, good night, nut, and hung up.
Because the phones aren't open.
I thought it might be Jay.
Well, a few minutes later, a woman called.
And, uh, I don't know what she wanted to talk about because I told her I wasn't taking calls right now and hung up.
And then a few minutes later, another nut called up and threatened me.
So you see, when I said we're gonna stir up a hornet's nest, I wasn't kidding.
And, uh, for all you nuts out there, don't threaten me.
If you think you've got the balls, you come and show up on my doorstep and we'll just see what you're going to do besides jack your jaw.
because that's all that you ever do is jack your jaw.
On the phone we have Jay Reynolds, my good friend, long time member of our news service,
and a very thorough researcher.
And that's how we became good friends.
I just observed what he did, and what he produced, and what he said, and found out that he's just like me.
He likes the truth, not the con.
Evening, Jay.
Hello, Bill.
Welcome to the Hour of the Con.
Well, thank you very much.
Good to be here.
Why don't you tell us a little bit about who you are, so the listening audience knows something about you to begin with.
Well, I'm 44 years old, and I have studied engineering.
I'm a marine engineer, and I have also been working quite a few years with gas turbine engines, and I'm also a farmer of sorts.
And about two years ago, when the whole Contrail story started, I heard someone say something about it, and it pricked my ears up.
And when I saw something in print, I started looking a little deeper.
And the more I looked, the more information I found, but a lot of the information I found was false, too.
Was what, Dave?
It was false.
It was a lie.
Okay.
Why don't we begin at the beginning?
I mean, what did you find, and how did you find out that it was not true?
Well, an email message was sent.
And that started, as far as I'm concerned, that's the only, the first written record that I've been able to find on it.
And that was sent where?
It was sent to an email list.
Some people may not know what that is, but that's where people exchange email.
And information and lies and rumors and etc.
You got that right.
And what did this email message have to say?
Well it said that the lines in the sky are identified.
And it went on to say that there was an analysis that had been issued by a company and It says that the analysis shows a dangerous pesticide was in Jet Fuels.
Was this the email from Richard Fink?
That's exactly who sent that, and it was in August of 97.
August of 97.
Okay, I have the one from September 17th, 97.
Oh, that's true.
Okay, it was one month actually later.
OK.
Let me read that.
I'll read that on the air, and then you can talk about it.
I'll ask your listeners to tell me if, to think about this, and if it sounds like an analysis or not.
OK.
It says, From Richard Fink, sent Wednesday, September 17, 1997, 418 p.m.
to biowar-l at mail.sonic.net, which is a mailing list on the Internet concerning Biowarfare Subject Biowar Lines in the Sky Identified Genocide on a Wholesale Lot Lines in the Sky are Identified Samples are Analyzed The Lab Director of Aquatech Environmental A.K.A.
Aquatel, Marion, Ohio, phone 707-887-2228 using samples taken from JP-8
contaminated fields of Maryland and Pennsylvania, reported today, 9-18-97,
that ethylene dibromide, otherwise known as EDB, has been the
contaminant in the fuel and water samples taken of submitted by farmers,
pilots, and tanker drivers.
E.D.B.
is one of the most tightly controlled EPA substances and was banned in 1983 due to its carcinogenity.
E.D.B.
is a pesticide that apparently is being placed in the jet fuel and dispersed on a daily, almost non-stop basis in our skies.
The lines filling our skies are not contrails.
The lines are dispersed and may linger for hours, slowly filtering down to unsuspecting pests, and I guess we're the pests.
Now, right off the bat, I've got to tell you, there's something really wrong with this.
This message was sent September 17th, 1997, and it reports today, September 18th, 1997, in the body of the message.
There are so many things wrong with this, it's pathetic, but go ahead, Jay.
Well, I'm glad you caught that.
I've had several people look at it and they didn't catch that.
Oh, that's my stock in trade, Jay.
You know that.
I'm a stickler for those things.
We always look for something which doesn't fit or something that doesn't ring true.
And that starts off right off the beginning.
But even before that, once I started looking at this, I called the phone number.
And right off the bat, I noticed that the area code is California.
It's also the designation of a jet plane.
True.
This guy has a subtle sense of humor.
I know who's phone number it is.
And I won't say who it is, I've called them and they will hang up on you because it's a resident.
Yeah, and they're probably tired of having all the wackos call about the jet fuel killing people.
Well, one thing that's interesting though, most of the ones, the versions of this that are circulating don't have the
telephone number.
You have to get all the way back to the original one that was sent.
And this is fairly easy to do. It's on the internet several places.
Yes.
And when you get to the original one, you see a little bit more here.
And so I contacted AquaTech Environmental, which is a company in Ohio, and they are tired of responding to this.
Their policy is they do not give out any analysis that anybody has paid for without permission.
Sure, it's proprietary information.
Yeah.
Now, in the first place, there's no analysis here.
An analysis would show a percentage of parts per million or billion and it would be much more complete.
This is really just Strictly, it's really a rumor.
Or more properly, intentional disinformation.
It's possible.
So eventually I did contact Richard Fink and he told me, he sent me an email message which was very interesting.
And basically he told me that it's not true.
Yeah.
That sounds just like our president.
Well it might be the same guy that just called and threatened me then.
Bullshit.
Sounds just like our president.
He says that it's not accurate. He also said, um...
In a roundabout way, he threatened me.
Well, it might be the same guy that just called and threatened me, then.
I don't know. He said that seven men had died trying to get this information out.
Bullshit. That's a downright lie.
That's an absolute lie.
If seven men have died, produce the death certificates, tell us who they are, and we'll research it out.
We'll find out that it's just like all the rest of this stuff.
It's a lie.
Well, I can make two conclusions from that if it were true.
The first conclusion would be that Richard Fink is a superman who can survive when seven others have died.
Yeah?
The second possibility is that Well, no killing has been done.
I can assure you of that.
Not over this.
Because the whole thing is false.
I mean, it's already been proven that there's absolutely nothing to it.
There's no reason to kill anybody.
Period.
Am I correct?
Yes, because I do not believe that there is any ethylene dibromide And there's nobody who's ever produced any analysis anywhere that says there is, have they?
No, they haven't.
No.
But they all run around claiming that all of these analyses have been made, but not one of these people can produce an analysis that you can track down to who did the analysis and confirm it, and they can't even produce one that you can't track down.
They can't produce anything.
The only thing they produce is Richard Fink's email.
Yeah.
Just like most of the things that fly around out there.
That's you know, when you track it down, it turns out to be some bogus rumor started by
somebody in Podunk, Michigan or Little Creek, Ohio or Big Bear, Colorado or something like
that.
And nine times out of ten, you can't even find the person that started it, but you can
usually prove that the information is false.
We've discovered that about 99% of everything that's being passed around from hand to hand
and whispered from mouth to ear is nothing but a pack of lies.
Yeah.
And the only shred of proof anywhere having to do with EDB, ethylene dibromide, is that it was, up until 1983, used in aviation gasoline for piston planes.
That don't leave contracts?
Well sometimes they can under certain circumstances but most contrails are left by jets.
Nowadays there's not that many large high altitude distant planes around.
Sure.
But I was able to find several beautiful pictures of B-17 bombers from World War II.
Yeah, they can produce contrails under certain circumstances, but not as easily or as prolific as jet engines.
And I asked my father.
He was there.
He flew B-17s over Germany and Czechoslovakia in World War II.
And he can remember the contrails.
I can remember seeing them as a boy when all the planes were piston engines,
except for the first jets, which there were so few of them.
They were only stationed at certain bases, and it was very rare that we ever saw them.
Well, anyway, there was EGB in airplane gas, but what most people don't realize is, if they're old enough to have been alive in those days, That every time they were sitting in a traffic jam, they were breathing the exhaust from a car which used leaded gas that contained ethylene niproline.
And... Elaborate on that, because a lot of people are sitting there with their mouth down to their chest.
They're thinking these planes that are flying at 50,000 feet, leaving a contrail, are poisoning them.
when they've already, you know, been in traffic, exposed to much more of this chemical that
they say is poisoning the population than any jet contrail or aircraft contrail could
ever present in the atmosphere that would ever reach the ground that would ever even
touch them.
Well, I'll elaborate and tell you the reason why everyone is not dead, even though the
ethylene diphromide was used in fuels.
In particular, in aviation fuel for piston engines and gasoline that was used in every
car in the nation.
Thank you.
And if what these people are saying is true, then everybody who's ever walked down a street in New York City or driven in a busy city street should be dead by now.
It's because ethylene dibromide breaks down with heat and combustion of any kind of an engine is basically fire.
Sure.
And the ethylene dibromide, it oxidizes.
That means it combines with oxygen and it breaks down and basically you have A number of different compounds, which I'm not certain what they are, and they're not being put out now anyway.
But that's most probably the reason why it didn't cause any problems.
Now, it may have not been a good thing to use, and I'm just as happy that they don't have to use it.
I was probably more concerned with the meds than I would have been with the ethylene dibromide.
So now they built engines which can run on unleaded gasoline and we don't use the ethylene
dibromide anymore.
And is there any truth to their assertion that ethylene dibromide is in jet fuel?
Well, I checked that one out too.
And I have to say that I was only able to find one person that could help me to run
this down and it was the developer of a jet fuel additive, Dr. Steve Zabarnik, PhD, from
Dayton University Research Institute.
And he wrote to me and told me that ethylene dibromide is not a component of this new fuel
Sure.
JP8 and as far as I know it has never been used in jet fuel.
So that was the response that I can make.
As far as I'm concerned that should close the matter.
And anyway it is up to the person making the claim to document their claim.
Sure.
And none of these people have documented anything yet.
yet. They're just spreading wild rumor.
And I'm going to go ahead and close it out.
As far as I've been able to see, that's the way it is.
Yeah.
You know how I found out there was no ethyl bromide in jet fuel?
No, I'd like to know.
Well, my father, I was reared in an Air Force family, and I know Air Force people all over the world.
All my life was spent on Air Force bases with Air Force people.
I was in the Air Force for four years.
A lot of the people I served with didn't get out, but stayed in.
I just called several of these people and asked them to go over to the jet shop on the base and get a list of the chemicals in the jet fuel which they must have because, by law, the Environmental Protection Agency mandates it.
And I asked them to read me off the list of the ingredients and additives in the jet fuel Of all the different jet fuels on the base, and they were a little perturbed that I wanted them to do that, but they did it.
And guess what?
It's not there.
And if it was there, it would have to be listed by law.
By federal law, it must be listed on the Environmental Protection Agency Statement that must accompany all chemicals.
What about the people working on the ground at the airport?
What about the families living next to the base?
Yeah, none of them are dying.
What about the mechanics?
None of them are dead.
And I got to tell you, when I was in the Air Force, I felt sorry for those guys in the
jet shop.
Now I was in the hydraulic shop.
My specialty was neudrolics, which is pneumatics and neudrolics, high pressure air and fluids.
And occasionally when I'd be working under a wing and I would be removing some portion
of the hydraulic system, I would get drenched in hydraulic fluid.
But hydraulic fluid wasn't nearly as bad to get drenched in as jet fuel was.
And those guys that worked in the jet shop were constantly being smoked from head to toe with jet fuel.
And none of them ever got sick.
With anything.
Except normal colds and flu and things like that.
I was there four years and watched it happen for four years.
In fact, I watched it all my life.
I lived on Air Force bases until I left home at 18.
And I still know an awful lot of people in the Air Force who work around jet engines, jet fuel, on the flight lines, in the hangars, in the headquarters, all over the place.
And when I talk to them about this, they just die laughing.
They think it's the funniest thing they ever heard.
None of their people are sick.
They still get soaked with jet fuel when they work on the fuel systems and the jet engines, and guys in the hydraulic shop still get soaked with hydraulic fluid.
Nobody's dropping dead from ethyl dibromide.
Or anything else for that matter?
So what we have is a rumor.
It's not based on fact, and it doesn't even follow logically, does it?
No, not at all.
Well, let's see, Bill.
Joe Burton who was sprayed, did you hear this, sprayed with a jet contrail and was allegedly
diagnosed with Hepatitis A, rabies, can you imagine this, rabies, guys walking around
with rabies, Epstein-Barr, Flu 83, V2 gripe and all of these things that I can't even
pronounce and then turpentine.
Well let's see Bill, I have been doing a little research on this, of course that story broke
last Wednesday when Art Bell had a program and the man read off with a so-called analysis
from a man named Joe Burton. Now I believe he had just received that the same day
and he read it on the air the same day. What that tells me is he didn't check it out.
No, neither did Belle, did he?
But that's not news.
That's not news at all.
I mean, nobody ever checks any of this stuff out except people like you and me and a few others.
There are a few others out there, folks, who do check things.
Some of them listen to this broadcast and learn to do it here.
Thank God.
Well, Bill, I haven't had a week to check it out.
Okay, go for it.
I want to hear this.
I've got some information.
More is coming in all the time.
Okay.
I have some top quality chemical researchers and medical researchers which are helping
me.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm going to be doing a lot of research on this.
I'm going to be doing a lot of research on this.
And I'll start with one of the chemicals which we have identified and it's called... Good luck.
I can't pronounce these things.
Okay.
And it's dimethylglycine.
Okay.
N-dimethylglycine, right?
Right.
We have found that this is a dietary supplement.
Okay.
This is a nutrient which enhances physical performance.
Actually, it's N-dimethylglycine hydrochloride, according to this.
The only difference between a hydrochloride and the one that I'm going to speak about now is that that is a salt.
And the one I'm speaking about is a salt.
To make a difference between an acid and a salt is that you have mixed a base with it and that neutralizes the acid and turns it into a salt which is used for a nutrient.
It's available for sale, and they say it's actually good for someone who has immune system problems.
Oh.
If we were to take this, you would take one pill a day, and it enhances your immune response, basically.
Okay.
Now, that's the only chemical that I have much on, but I'm going to go back to this Okay.
According to this, this guy ought to be dead.
Especially if he's got rabies.
And Hepatitis A ain't no walk in the park.
Unless he's a carrier.
If he's a carrier, then it wouldn't affect him.
There's an awful lot of people that actually have the antibody which shows that they have had past infection of Hepatitis.
In fact, the number is 33%.
But this doesn't say that he has the antibody.
It says he has Hepatitis A. Well, the only way you can diagnose it is by finding this antibody.
Or, I guess if the person is downright yellow.
Well, if that's true, then they couldn't ever diagnose anybody with AIDS.
Because AIDS attacks the autoimmune system, you wouldn't have an antibody.
You see what I mean?
And rabies?
People don't survive rabies very often.
often, usually die from that.
So, thank you.
Epstein-Barr.
Flu 83.
What in the world is V2 GRIPE?
V2 GRIPE.
Well, the only thing I was able to find on that, uh, GRIPE is the European word for flu.
Okay, so he's got two kinds of flu.
Flu 83 and V2 flu.
Is that right?
He may not have had the flu.
He may have had it in the past.
This is one sick dude.
Now, wait a minute.
You can't interpret that.
This says that he has V2 gripe.
It doesn't say he had it in the past.
It says he has flu 83, he has V2 gripe, he has Epstein-Barr, he has rabies, and he has hepatitis A, plus all of these long, weird, chemical things that I have no idea what they are, except for dilapidated turpentine.
I know exactly what that is.
Now, if he's a painter, Or has been recently painting he could have turpentine in his system.
That's true.
and uh well the uh Epstein bar most people don't realize that uh it's mononucleosis
Hepatitis A, rabies, mononucleosis, flu 83, uh v2 flu and all of this other stuff plus turpentine
this guy's still walking around now I don't interpret things that I read especially if it's
an analysis if it says in the analysis that he has hepatitis A then I have to assume that's what
the analysis is telling me it's not telling me that he had it in the past.
Well actually Bill no analysis has come out.
I know that.
I'm only, you know, I'm using logic.
Oh, dear me.
Slap me for using logic.
My goodness gracious.
And go ahead.
Okay, an analysis would have to have levels.
Yes, it would.
Because when you come down, especially in your chemicals...
And it would have to say where this was detected, in the blood or in the tissue, and whether
it was in the blood cells or in the blood serum and all this kind of stuff.
And most blood analysis is just of serum anyway.
Well, as far as I know, this was not a blood analysis, but it's possible.
It was called a full body scan.
Yeah, I went to that website, and you know what I think it is?
I think it's a full-body scam, spelled S-C-A-M.
They put you under this machine, it scans your body, and it tells you everything that's wrong with you and what you've got and what you don't have, and it's very convenient.
Well Bill, actually, I saw something else on that site.
with a contrail, he runs in, jumps under this machine, all of a sudden he's got hepatitis
A, rabies, Epstein-Barr, flu 83, V2 flu, turpentine, mononucleosis, and a whole bunch of long
chemical names here.
Well Bill, actually, I saw something else on that site.
I saw that they will do a cancer diagnosis by mail for you.
Yeah, I saw that too.
By mail.
Which means you don't even have to get near the machine.
I'll tell you what, I'm going to go to the hospital and I'm going to get a medical report.
I also saw something else.
They claim, or at least it's intimated in the heading on the webpage, that they're connected with some legitimate institute of higher learning.
And when you go through the whole thing, you find out that's not true at all.
There's no connection whatsoever.
Yes, one of my researchers is in North Carolina, and they claim to be part of the North Carolina Yes, and they are not at all.
Actually, they are located in South Carolina.
You know how I know?
I called the institute and asked them.
And they said, absolutely not.
Never heard of them.
Don't know anything about them.
Definitely not a part of their educational organization.
Well there you go.
So, where do we go from here, Bill?
Well, let's talk about some of the... let's talk about the contrails.
Since everybody thinks contrails are poisoning them, let's find out what they are.
Jay, what are contrails?
How are they formed?
And what do they do after they're formed?
Well, the answer to what are contrails is basically the same answer as what is rain?
What is snow?
What are clouds?
It's water.
And the difference between a contrail and any other cloud, the only difference is that a contrail is formed by water, which comes from a jet engine.
It's a byproduct of combustion.
When you burn things, you actually do produce a certain amount of H2O, water.
Almost everything has at least a minute amount of water in it.
Um, it...
even if it's supposed to have been all the water taken out, even if it just sits around
normal condensation, if it's exposed to the air even for a little while, we'll put some
water in it.
Hydrogen and oxygen is a by-product of the combustion itself.
Absolutely.
It's water.
Not only that, but these engines are taking in air that contains a lot of water already in vaporized form.
True.
And so when this water comes out of the air, the jet engine, it's warm.
It immediately hits very cold air, especially at high altitudes.
Now we know from observation I have never seen a contrail form at a low altitude.
Now I'm not going to say it's impossible.
I'm just going to say factually that I have never seen a contrail at any kind of a low altitude except one that was produced artificially by some acrobatic plane at an airshow.
Well Bill, they can form right on the ground.
And the reason why I know this is During this last month, there were airports closed in Alamga because they had a terrible cold wave.
They had temperatures to 70 below zero.
And basically what was happening was the moisture coming out of the engines was causing a ground fog before.
That's true.
Yeah.
And so... You see, I've never seen this.
And I've lived on and around military bases and airports all my life.
I've never been in an area where that's ever occurred, other than normal ground fog, which is not, as you know, caused by an airplane.
So, even though it may be able to occur, it's extremely rare.
As far as I know, Bill, the main determinant of contrail formation is temperature.
Sure.
And the magic number seems to be right around 40 degrees below zero.
In Montana, it gets that cold on the ground sometimes.
Uh-huh.
You could say it gets that cold maybe at 10,000 feet sometimes.
Uh-huh.
But generally, we're talking 5 miles, maybe a little higher.
Yeah, the normal corn trail that normal people like me are used to seeing are pretty high up there.
I've worked with very many big jets, but I have to wonder how anyone would know the altitude that that plane is flying.
Well, you can't.
I mean, you can't unless you're on the plane, or unless you call the local radar installation and ask them, and they probably wouldn't tell you, you know, what plane?
What are you talking about?
You know, they're looking at a whole bunch of planes.
But you can tell that they're pretty high up there.
They fly at 30,000 feet and up.
Yeah.
At least once they're cruising.
Sure.
So, the second reason why contrails form, besides freezing temperatures, is that the air needs to have some amount of water in it.
You'll very seldom see a contrail after a cold front passes.
The reason for that is that the air is dry.
If you do get a contrail, it will evaporate very quickly, almost right behind the plane.
Uh huh.
And I saw, I had a cold front come through the other day, and today we saw plane after plane with no contrails at all today.
However, Uh-huh.
We see a lot of contrails here.
We're way up in the mountains, and there's, I guess, a lot of moisture up there at that altitude, even if there's not a lot down here.
And we seem to be under the Well, I guess you'd call them highways in the air.
Air traffic corridors where planes always travel to and from certain destinations.
And we have planes that pass from south to north, from south to northwest, from south to northeast.
We have planes flying from east to west.
And we see a lot of contrails.
And it is true that contrails under certain conditions can linger and spread out and then become cirrus clouds because I've seen that happen.
That's true, Bill.
The reason why the contrails might stay around is if there's enough humidity.
The contrail is actually ice crystals, small ice crystals down to the Now once they begin to form, they can actually cause other crystallizations to form that would not otherwise have formed.
That's true.
The air which is saturated might not have any clouds at all in it, but once you put a seed crystal out there, the seed crystals can attract more moisture.
Then what happens, the crystals will grow.
Eventually, they can get big enough to where they fall.
The air cannot support them anymore.
And that's how they used to seed, what they used to do, seeding the clouds, and they used to do it with iodide crystals, and cause this to happen under certain humid conditions, and try to make rain.
Those were some of the earliest experiments in weather control.
That's done.
Cloud feeding is done in Texas.
It's done in Nevada.
It's done in California.
It's done in Nebraska.
It's done in Oklahoma.
It's done all over.
Places especially that don't get much rain.
And it's permitted.
In other words, they have strict permits.
And it's an open situation.
It's not something that's done covertly.
It's very highly regulated.
But what a lot of people are saying are these falling ice crystals.
And you can have exactly the same phenomenon in natural clouds.
Well sure.
You can watch the crystals begin to fall and eventually they'll turn into rain as they reach the lower altitudes and you'll get precipitation.
Either that or quite often they will evaporate.
Yeah, that can happen too.
I can sit on my mountain here and watch rain begin to fall from a cloud and you can see it coming down, the black lines in the sky coming down from the clouds and they never hit the ground.
That's right.
They stop before they ever hit the ground and I watch these clouds just drift across.
Well, I've done a certain amount of sailing myself and there's an old sailor's rhyme You know, they have one that's Red Sky at Morning, Sailors Take Warning.
Red Sky at Night, Sailors Delight.
Yes, I'm an old Navy man.
I'm familiar with all of these things.
Well, there's another one, and it goes Macro Skies and Mare's Tales.
Make tall ships, set low sails.
Now, most people won't understand that, but what it means is that is a signal that you're going to have some high winds.
And you don't want to have full sails set when high winds hit your ship.
And the bear's tails are the streaking in the sky from these ice crystals falling out of a cloud.
Yes.
Or out of a contrail.
Sure.
A contrail is really nothing more than a cloud.
A man-made cloud.
Uh-huh.
Not intentionally man-made, but nevertheless man-made.
That's right.
In fact, the Air Force would rather not make contrails.
They don't want their planes to be seen.
Well, sure.
And if there's a contrail, all you have to do is follow it to one end or the other and there's an airplane there.
That's true.
And if it lingered for a long time, as they can do, it gives you a record of who's been flying in the past.
Yeah.
Even though they may be gone.
Now, what about this cobweb stuff?
There's been reports of cobwebs.
There's been reports of jello falling out of the sky.
There's even been reports of fish falling out of the sky.
Yes, Bob.
Documented.
Proven.
Not conjecture.
Actual occurrences.
But you see, when I was in the Navy, I remember one time when we were in the Pacific Ocean trying to dodge these squall lines that were coming at us.
And so we were changing course quite often.
And then all of a sudden found ourselves surrounded by seven different tornadoes.
Now, in the Navy, in the ocean, you call them water spouts.
But they're just tornadoes over water.
And when they hit the water, instead of bringing up dust and all this debris like they do when they hit the ground, when a tornado hits the ground like in, say, Oklahoma or Kansas, out in the ocean, it pulls up this column of water.
And whatever's in that water eventually is going to fall back down to earth.
Well, the reports of cobwebs are real interesting, Bill.
They go all the way back to Charles Darwin, and probably farther.
But Darwin, as you remember, he sailed from England and went to the Pacific.
As he passed along the coast of South America, far offshore, he sighted cobwebs in the sky.
He didn't see any cobwebs.
Yeah.
You know, that's not unusual at all.
When I was in the Navy, we were in the middle of the Indian Ocean.
The Indian Ocean is a vast, huge ocean.
We were dead in the middle of the Indian Ocean and had a sandstorm.
So, these things can occur in strange places.
I mean, everybody was baffled and bewildered.
Here we were in the middle of the Indian Ocean, hundreds and hundreds of miles from land, in the middle of a sandstorm.
And I could tell you some other stories, but that's not the purpose of this broadcast.
But it's just to let the listening audience know that unusual circumstances in unusual places are not rare.
Okay, well, there was one fellow that I was able to contact who claimed to have seen cobwebs falling from a contrail, and his report mentioned that he saw five airplanes that had contrails on the back.
He estimated their altitude at ten to fifteen thousand feet.
That means a little low for contrails, but if he said he saw, let's go ahead and say he saw.
He said that he ran inside the house and made a couple of phone calls.
Well, let's say something that's better than that.
Okay.
Let's say that he estimated the altitude without having any ability to do so.
Hmm.
And he estimated 15,000 feet.
And they actually could have been at any altitude.
That's right.
Okay, that's more accurate, probably.
Well, he went inside his house and spent a few minutes on the telephone calling his friends
to come and see, come and see.
Then he went outside and he said he saw something fluttering down out of his eye.
And he went over and collected it.
He claimed that he, later on, four days later, he was sick.
And the material looked like cobwebs.
the spiderweb or a cypress material. He said it was about six inches long and it eventually disintegrated, he said,
to where it's now only very small.
He put it into a container.
You know, people who say they see UFOs have been describing this phenomenon for a couple of centuries, actually.
They claim that they see UFOs and the spiderweb stuff comes out of the UFOs.
I just wanted to put that in there, to put this in perspective, that... It's true, Bill.
I've heard those, I've seen those reports, and they use the word aseal hair for that.
That's right.
But nevertheless, when you ask them to describe it, it's the same thing you just said this guy described to you.
Well...
I was working on some insulation that one day and I decided, hey, this looks like a fibrous material.
So I took it up on top of the house and I formed it into a piece that he said about six inches long.
I dropped it off the house and counted how long it took and how far it fell to get to the ground.
Uh-huh.
I found it fell at two feet per second.
Okay.
Uh huh.
at two feet per second if the plane dropped in at 10 000 feet
that would take 5 000 seconds to reach the ground divided by two is five thousand uh-huh
well five thousand seconds is 83 minutes still yeah not 10 minutes
Well, this is one of the biggest discrepancies.
With every claim that I've heard from people who say they saw a contrail in the sky at whatever altitude they said it was at, and then the contrail fell down on them and they got sick.
And unless it was made out of BBs or lead or something, it couldn't have happened.
And even if it was made out of BBs or lead, It would not have fallen straight down.
It would have fallen in a direction that the wind was blowing.
Well, not even counting the wind, I measured that too.
At a 5 mile an hour wind, it blew sideways at 2 feet per second too.
So, you know, it would not have fallen directly down on anybody who was standing directly under you.
No, it's interesting that some of these reports You can't see it but you can hear what the people are saying.
They're saying that they see a contrail up in the sky and at the same time they're tasting something in their mouth.
And ten minutes later they're sick.
We've got to pause right here, so collect your thoughts, and we're going to pause right here and play some music.
Why don't you, you know, if you've got to go get a drink of water or go to the bathroom or something, go ahead, and we'll be back in about three minutes.
Okay?
Okay, folks, you're listening to WBCQ, Monticello, Maine, USA.
This is the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper, and we're putting to rest all those nasty rumors About how you're being killed by contrails.
Poo poo.
And it's just making some of these people so mad they just called up and threatened my life.
Well, by golly, I'm not as scared, I'm not afraid, I'm not terrified.
The entire might of the federal government doesn't make me tremble.
and you're not going to do it either.
So, I'm going to play a little bit of this.
It's called, The End of the World.
It's called, The End of the World.
You flipped me over and I guess you thought I was alright All right in a sort of a limited way last night.
She said, don't I know you from the cinematographer's party?
I said, who am I to go against the wind?
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