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March 4, 1999 - Bill Cooper

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	This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual people, or events, or events is purely coincidental.
	This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual people, or events, or events is purely coincidental.
	So, once upon a good movement, a good war ceases to be war.
	The war ceases.
	Oh, yeah.
	You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
	the good evening once again ladies and gentlemen you're
	listening to the power of the time on william cooper
	tonight in the uh... vein of the last broadcast we're going to stick with radio only tonight
	you're going to be the guest.
	How about that?
	You see, I know out in this listening audience, which stretches all around the world, over the Internet, and we broadcast on about six or seven hundred low-power and micro-broadcasters in the United States and Canada, And in all of that tremendous audience, I know without any doubt that there are really experts out there who know all about radio.
	Much more probably than I ever will.
	Now, I'm not talking about broadcasting like I'm doing right now.
	Because I know a modicum about that.
	I'm talking about building home radio stations.
	CB stations.
	Amateur radio stations.
	Whether you're licensed or not, I really don't care.
	That's a matter of your own conscience.
	Once you understand the law and the true authority of the FCC, Then it's up to you whether or not you want to stand on the law or submit to tyranny.
	That's your choice.
	But we want to concentrate tonight on building home radio stations that will serve all of us in time of emergency.
	A network, if you will, of people who listen to the hour of the time who are educated and conversant upon world events, real world events, and the real forces behind them.
	We want to be able to talk to each other, should the whole structure of Western civilization come tumbling down around our ears.
	We hope that it doesn't.
	But we can look around us and see tremendous forces working hard to try and bring that about.
	Specifically, looming in the immediate future is the big bugaboo Y2K.
	We've already determined that Y2K is not really the issue, whatever inconvenience it may cause, whether minor Or major.
	Those inconveniences will be solved.
	And people who are properly prepared have no need to worry.
	The sky is not falling.
	But the hysteria and the panic being whipped up by individuals and organizations, not just here in this country, but around the world, could cause some very terrible things to happen.
	Wouldn't it be nice if we could build a network of CB radios, amateur radio stations, shortwave transmitters, without spending tremendous sums of money.
	And I can tell you right now, it can be done, because Doyle and I have done it here.
	You see there, There's a lot of old equipment out there.
	The question is determining which is the best of that old equipment and which we should stay away from.
	Those are the questions that we want to try to get answered tonight from those of you in the listening audience who know more about all of this stuff than I ever will.
	Where do we get tubes for these radios?
	All of the radios that have been touted as what you should purchase and buy in case of
	an emergency are the wrong radios, and most of you already know that because we have discussed
	it lightly. Anything that has a computer chip in it is subject to destruction.
	Thank you.
	with a simple electromagnetic burst.
	It can be from a hand-held unit, such as now used by some police forces to stop your car on the freeway simply by aiming it at your engine and pulling a trigger.
	They can emit an electromagnetic burst that will fry every chip that your engine uses to operate.
	Same with your radios.
	Any kind of an atomic or hydrogen burst in the atmosphere will cause an electronic or electromagnetic emission that will destroy all computer chips within a certain tremendous radius of miles.
	I have heard some experts say that one major atomic burst anywhere above the United States would destroy all computer chips in the country.
	I do not know If that is in fact true.
	But I do know that it will destroy all computer chips within a certain radius of that airburst.
	And so it behooves us as responsible individuals to be prepared for that.
	Why are we buying radios that contain computer chips?
	Why are we not calling up the tremendous Number of old tube radios that are still in perfect operating condition.
	And I understand from talking to experts in this field, whom I have contacted over the internet, that tubes are plentiful.
	Another question we need answered by those in the listening audience tonight is where do we get these radios tuned up, specced out, repaired, How can we get them brought up to standards?
	And I'm talking about the original, or as close to the original, specifications upon which these radios were supposed to operate when they were first manufactured.
	I've got to tell you, there are some good radios out there.
	We purchased, several years ago, one of the best Sanjean radios available.
	Sanjean is a good brand.
	I don't care what anybody says or tells you, Sanjean is a good, modern radio.
	However, it will not operate after it has experienced an electromagnetic burst from whatever the source.
	Now, I've used that radio as state-of-the-art.
	It's sort of mid-range.
	It's not really expensive, nor is it cheap.
	And it works really well, or at least I thought it did, until I purchased a Helicrafters S-108.
	Thank you.
	And when I hooked that Halocrafters S-108 up to the same long-wire antenna that I had been using with a Tangent, I was amazed.
	I was pulling in stations that we never knew existed before and couldn't even begin to hear with the Sangean.
	This F-108 was an old radio from the early fifties.
	At least, that's my guesstimate of when it was manufactured.
	I guess early fifties.
	Somewhere in the fifties timeframe.
	It is fantastic.
	It will receive AM upper and lower sideband and everything from 10 meters all the way up to 80 meters.
	And a few things in between that I think it's not supposed to receive.
	And I don't know whether that's because it's out of spec or what.
	but I'm very happy with it.
	So tonight folks, we're going to talk about these kinds of things.
	2 meter.
	Shortwave.
	Amateur.
	We're going to talk about CB.
	For instance, we purchased a really, really nice CB radio, which is a Siltronics 1011C.
	They also have the 1011D.
	What's beautiful about this radio is that it not only receives and transmits all 40 of the shortwave bands, I mean, excuse me, let me back up there, that was wrong, that was a wrong statement.
	Receives and transmits on all of the CB, or citizens band frequencies, which is the 11 meter.
	It also operates on upper and lower side bands.
	And it receives and transmits on the 10 meter band, which is amateur radio.
	On the AM side, it transmits with 50 watts of power in normal AM, or the normal 40 channels, and 75 watts on upper and lower side band.
	That's measured with a meter right off of our set.
	So I can tell you it's true.
	If you buy a modern CB radio, what you get is 4 watts if you're lucky.
	4 watts if you're lucky.
	And if you can find a good linear, you can pump it up from there.
	A linear is just an amplifier that goes between the radio and the antenna and boosts the power of the signal.
	Now, you may or may not be able to do this depending upon whether or not you intend to follow the FCC rules.
	And I suggest that if you do not have a good legal foundation and a good knowledge of why you should not, and be able to apply that and win in the court of law, then you had better follow what they tell you to do.
	But in case of an emergency, all that disappears.
	It flies out the window.
	In an emergency.
	No one is ever going to hold it against anybody for using excess power over that required by the FCC in order to save your life or the lives of others.
	No one is going to convict you in any court for doing that.
	You see, when it becomes life or death, extraordinary measures are called for.
	And using those extraordinary measures are always forgiven.
	So, let's open the phone lines and let's see who's listening out there who knows something about what we're talking The subject of tonight's broadcast.
	Let's see who in the listening audience can be our special guest or guests.
	You know, I'm willing to let you talk as long as you want to talk, as long as you're contributing to the knowledge base of the listening audience on tonight's subject matter.
	And when you run out of steam, We'll take another call and that person can then become our guest tonight on the Hour of the Tongue.
	The number is 520-333-4578.
	That's 520-333-4578.
	What do you think about this idea?
	Do you think that we could build a network like we did of micro-broadcasters across the country?
	Across this country and maybe even around the world?
	So that in case of real emergency, whether licensed or not, we can communicate with each other.
	And I know that some die-hard people out there will say, well, you can't do that.
	Well, I'm here to tell you, we can do it.
	And we probably will do it.
	And as long as we don't abuse the equipment or the airwaves.
	And as long as we only use it when it's necessary in an emergency, life or death situations, no one is going to fault us for that.
	520-333-4578.
	Let's hear from some of you people out there who are the real radio experts.
	If you disagree with this, tell us why.
	We're all eager to get your input.
	We're all eager to get your input.
	Let's have a league of your own.
	Let's have a ball.
	Let's have a league of your own.
	High, low and high.
	No need to stress us.
	Come as you are.
	You'll bring the cola.
	I'll play my guitar.
	Girls that I'll hold up.
	Boys that I'll sing.
	We'll have a little laugh.
	I won't miss a thing.
	You don't need to live in the island to have a lot of fun.
	Just pretend you're Mario and I live in the sun.
	Let's have a robot.
	Let's do it right.
	I told you that we had all the old stuff.
	I mean, how many of you ever heard that?
	Let's have a luau.
	Good evening, you're on the air.
	Transmitting on whatever we have to in case of an emergency where there really is a need to be able to do that.
	Go ahead.
	Radio station here at my home location.
	I operate a RACER communication.
	Go ahead.
	It's a 2950 radio that I'm utilizing.
	This Ranger Communications?
	RCI, yes. And it's a 2950.
	Barefoot is capable of after modification on the 11 meter band,
	which it'll go from 26 flat to 32 flat.
	uh...
	It's capable of 45 quads on AM, 30 on side bend.
	It has FM and CW.
	That's pretty good for a citizen's band, what started out to be a citizen's band radium.
	It actually started out to be 10 meters.
	It's been modified.
	Oh, I see.
	You know, there's a bunch of radios out there that you can do that with.
	In addition to that, as you said, you can also incorporate a linear amplifier.
	I myself am operating a... Hey Paul, can I interrupt you for a moment and ask you to talk a lot louder?
	Our phone patch here is a speakerphone with a microphone about 14 inches away from it.
	I've got it going in the next room.
	Oh, you're doing fine.
	Okay.
	As I said, I incorporated on my particular station here a Nitra 300 amplifier, which is like circa 1979 or something like that.
	It might even be earlier than that.
	But it's a glass amplifier.
	It uses four 6LT6s driving one, and on the high stage, I can achieve on the peak about 4 and a quarter, about 425 watts, driving
	it with say 1 and 3 quarter watts.
	And what kind of range does that give you, Paul?
	Well, actually the other day I spoke with Australia, Oregon, Washington.
	Yesterday I talked to New Hampshire, Jamaica, Bermuda, Trinidad.
	This afternoon I spoke from, let's see, who was I talking to here?
	It was California, Ontario, Canada, a place called Woodstock, Ontario, Canada.
	this is all on the free band they call it, the free band which is above 40, just below
	the 10 meter band which is not legal to operate on nationally but there are a bunch of people
	out there that you know you say something about the networking of say micro broadcast
	you know the networking of pirates was like that up until a few months ago here on 6955
	upper side bend you know there was radio nonsense and it seemed like every time that Joe Mama
	got on there there was five or six other people you know and after his program they just had
	like pirate chat you know and it was back and forth.
	It was really a great thing.
	Of course, Joe Mama's deceased now.
	He died back in October in a motorcycle accident, but, you know, hopefully there's some other good people out there that'll Oh, there always is.
	Well, we don't encourage anyone to violate the law unless they have a good foundation in the law for doing what they're doing, and according to our research, the FCC is extremely limited in its authority and enforcement capabilities anyway.
	Yeah, how did they get into all of this stuff?
	How did I get into it?
	No, the FCC.
	How did they get into all of this stuff?
	Now that would be enough to overwhelm anyone, as well as communications via telephone, via satellite, on TV, what
	have you.
	Yeah, how did they get into all of this stuff?
	How did I get into it?
	No, the FCC. How did they get into all of this stuff?
	I mean, their only mandate was to license and regulate commercial, interstate, and international broadcasting.
	Well, that goes back into the early years of Citizen's Band, actually.
	It was originally 23 channels.
	But you had 8 channels in there, which were for remote, like garage door openers, when they first started out with those.
	All that's within the 11 meter band.
	Oh, no, of course not.
	Obeying the law is not anti-government.
	there to rule and regulate you. Any federal administration is that way and I'm not trying
	to be anti-government and I'm not trying to put you on the spot.
	Oh no, of course not. Obeying the law is not anti-government.
	Unfortunately, the FCC chooses not to obey the law in many instances.
	Well, for instance, if for instance, I mean, you look at the frequency that you're transmitting
	on right now, okay, now I, you know, I was told that, you know, it's probably propagation,
	but I really don't buy that, you know, I really don't. I mean, there's a station from Mexico
	that I'm getting on my receive and then I've got a, what is it, World Harvest Radio, which
	is just below you guys, okay, and there's a couple other stations that are like right
	on center slot on this frequency. Now, the radio that I'm listening to you on right now
	is a very old radio, but it's a classic.
	It's a Holocrafter SX-96.
	I don't know if you're familiar with older tube-type shortwave equipment.
	I myself like tube-type equipment.
	It's solid.
	It's rock solid, man.
	And if you run it right, it lasts forever.
	That's what we're recommending, and that's what we want to talk about most tonight.
	Yeah.
	Well, I would recommend tube-type equipment for anybody that has a lick of sense.
	and is willing to actually work hands on with equipment.
	It's totally hands on equipment.
	Now don't get me wrong, it requires a lot of adjustment, it requires a lot of patience.
	But the performance is superior.
	I mean I have a Radio Shack EX440 shortwave receiver that's a portable.
	Yeah, that's really a Sangian you know.
	What's that?
	It's a Sangian with the Radio Shack brand name on it.
	Yeah, well this one that I have, it just went defunct on me the other night, man.
	I mean, it's showing the frequency readout and everything, but there's no receive.
	So I had to send it off to Radio Shack.
	Now I had a problem with my helicrafter, okay?
	And I went to a local ham fest.
	I took the tubes that I thought were toasted, and it's $5 a piece, $10.
	I was back up and running for $10.
	Wow, that's great.
	And you did it yourself?
	They're simple to work on them.
	Whereas if you're running a transistorized equipment...
	Yeah, you can kind of poke around and guess here and there.
	And yeah, the bass loop lock is all fine and good.
	It's very nice.
	You know, it's not hand on.
	You know, you just set it to the frequency and you let it run.
	But you're going to receive a lot more interference.
	You're not going to be able to go center slot.
	You're not going to have the minus sensitivity, you know, is what they call it.
	But essentially, it's RF gain.
	In order to receive you guys this evening, I had to kick my sensitivity down to Oh man, I mean I had to turn it way back down to knock those other frequencies out of there on that spot.
	Yeah.
	You know, that's one of the things that's really hard to learn.
	When I first started playing around with my Hallecrafters S-108, I learned that the key to pulling in signals, the one that you want to listen to, is the volume and the sensitivity knob, and really nothing else once you locate the proper frequency.
	And it really amazes you that you would think that to receive the station you want to listen to really well, you would turn up the sensitivity and the volume, but just the opposite is true.
	No, no.
	You're correct, though.
	It's just the opposite.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I thought the same thing when I first got it.
	I got this unit about two years ago.
	I picked it up on consignment at a local hand shop here, and I got it for $100, my SX-96.
	Oh, you got a real good deal.
	Well, when I was at this last ham fest over here in St.
	Charles, Missouri, it was the winter fest where I got the tubes.
	I was asking a gentleman that had a table of helicrafters set up.
	Now he had the, what is it, the 99 and the 100, you know, SX series.
	He was missing the 96 for his collection.
	He offered me $200 cash if I went home and got it not working.
	Uh huh.
	Well, you know, everything's worth something to whoever needs it.
	The trick is finding who needs it when you want to get rid of it.
	This is correct.
	piece of equipment to go out of my radio room.
	Wow.
	Well you know everything is worth something to whoever needs it.
	The trick is finding who needs it when you want to get rid of it.
	Yes, this is correct.
	I don't know if you do much 11 meter or free band activity but I listen to a lot of things
	and doing it on that S-108 Halocrafters is a hell of a lot of fun.
	And you really have to be sensitive with your touch, because when you're tuning one of these things, you don't have the phase-lock loop, or the digital punch-in thing.
	You have to set it on the band, and as near on the band to the frequency that you want to receive, and then you fine-tune.
	On the fine-tune knob, and sometimes when you think that you haven't even moved that knob, you've skipped two or three stations.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's where the... Extremely sensitive.
	That's where the selectivity knob comes in on the particular unit I have.
	I mean, I can get you down selectivity to 0.5 kc's.
	Up to, what was it, up to five.
	The notches are 5, 3, 1, and .5 kc's on the selectivity on this particular unit, which is very nice for finding center slot on a given frequency there and then click it back up to 5 kc's if you want.
	But of course when you kick it back up to the 5 kc selectivity, It broadens the range to them again.
	Then you get all the interference and the adjacent stations and all that other stuff.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	I find it operates best at the 3KZ setting.
	If you get a lot of noise in there you can always click it on the upper side of the end
	of the mode and that will knock a lot of the noise out too.
	Yeah.
	I've always thought of shortwave listening as a participation sport.
	And when I first started out I found out that sometimes when I couldn't hear anything if
	I just grabbed the antenna between my big toe and the next toe and reached over and
	touched a tomato plant while scratching my left ear, that sometimes I could hear it perfectly.
	Yeah.
	Well, it sounds to me like you might have had a grounding problem.
	Oh, shame on it.
	I'm utilizing an antenna that's sort of semi-experimental.
	No, uh-uh.
	Okay, well what it is, is it composes, it's a coax fed antenna.
	The overall length of it, mine's tuned for 160 meters for transmit and receive, which I do not transmit, I only have receive.
	But the overall length, I'd say, would be about 150 feet, okay?
	But the kick around this antenna is, it's a very low noise antenna.
	You utilize a 50 ohm coax, okay?
	And it is fed from the center strand out to the end of the antenna.
	You have a 300 ohm ladder lead, which is approximately 5 feet long.
	And the center strand on the coax is shorted to the shield to 300 ohm as feed points, okay?
	So essentially what you're doing is you're doubling the length on each leg of the antenna.
	And the shield acts as, kind of, it blocks out a lot of extra noise, you know what I mean?
	Uh huh.
	Yeah, it works excellent.
	This double bazooka does.
	A friend of mine built it for me for Christmas.
	As I said, it's kind of an experimental deal.
	I think he found it through some sort of ham operation publication, shortwave publication, but it is the bomb.
	Wow.
	Do you think, later on I'm going to give the address, do you think you could send me a schematic for that?
	I could do that.
	Can I just send it to Alan or something?
	Can he forward it to you?
	Well, I think Alan's probably busy enough that he probably doesn't need anything like that, but you can send it to us.
	Just send it to the Hour of the Time.
	Hour of the Time.
	In care of 101.1 FM.
	101 what?
	.1 FM.
	1.1 FM, P.O.
	Box 940.
	940.
	Eager, spelled E-A-G-A-R.
	What was that again?
	E-A-G-A-R.
	E-A-G-A-R?
	Yep, Arizona.
	85925.
	And we'll just stick that in our info pack, and everybody that writes for information will get a free diagram for an
	antenna.
	Okay, now it's 904 what was it?
	Okay, P.O.
	Box.
	P.O.
	Box 940.
	Yeah, I was trying to do the consolidated version here on my shorthand sign.
	I do that from time to time too.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	I could include a couple other ones.
	Do you have any designs for ZEPS or anything like that?
	I don't even know what that is.
	That's more of a directional antenna, which he designed along the lines of a long wire, but it's end fed instead of side fed.
	Oh, I see.
	What we have been sending out to people is the schematics for an inverted V long wire.
	That's the way, that's the configuration.
	They have this double bazooka, and that works great because it not only picks up the horizontally polarized signals, but also the vertically, because it's in a sloping Yeah.
	We found the inverted V works really good with a bare long wire, and with what you're talking about, I can't wait to try that out.
	Yeah, actually, you know, it's along the same principles as what you're talking about, but theoretically, you're using twice the length of wire and half the space.
	Wow, that's neat.
	You see what I'm saying?
	Yeah.
	By shorting at the end, you feed it, you know, you feed points.
	Okay, you have to the shield for one on the co-axis, your feet coming in.
	Uh huh.
	Yeah.
	Uh huh.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's very true.
	But one center strand goes to the shield, the other goes to the center strand left and
	right so you say on inverted date and utilize that as two feed points to your antenna.
	And of course a good ground is always important on an older tube type.
	Yeah that's true.
	Otherwise you know you find yourself kind of leaning up on it, grabbing on your microphone
	and trying to talk on it 11 meters at the same time.
	Next thing you know it's yahoo!
	You're right.
	Another little thing about those older radios is if you do have that happen, if somebody
	should happen to find they've laid their arm on it and get themselves a little bit of a
	shock, and those older models they're non-polarized plugs, a lot of times you can unplug it, reverse
	the polarity on the plug itself going into the outlet and alleviate that problem in some
	Yeah, you know, I learned that when I was a boy.
	A lot of things will work better With those two pronged plugs, if you're having problems with it, if you just unplug it, turn it around, and plug it in again.
	Yeah, that's just correct.
	That's just correct.
	Anyway, I don't know if you have any other callers out there.
	You know, I just thought I'd give a call in.
	I heard you all talking about 11 meters.
	I just thought I'd let you know there already is a network out there.
	I have people that I talk to on a regular basis out there.
	Well, great.
	We'll just plug into the network.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Well, check out sometime in the evening.
	Oh, 27-5-15, Lower Side Bend, and listen for 9-1-1.
	That would be me.
	Okay.
	You know, it would be 9-1-1, Joe Mama's Radio, and the Northern Ghettos of St.
	Louis.
	All right, Paul.
	All right.
	Thank you so much.
	Okay, well, happy DXing, my friend.
	Thank you.
	Okay, send me greets.
	520-333-4578.
	Well, that was a great call.
	I don't know about you, but I learned some things that I did not know before.
	And Paul said he's going to send us the schematic for the double bazooka.
	And I can't wait to see it.
	I like to try things like that.
	Rigging up a new antenna and trying it out is really inexpensive and a lot of fun.
	Especially if you have good radios to do it with.
	So let's hear from somebody else out there.
	We still need a lot of information.
	Which of the old tube radios are the best?
	How many of them are there out there?
	Where do you find them?
	How do you get tubes?
	And we know about HamFests, and we've talked about those before on this broadcast.
	All around the country, and I guess if you're not looking for it, you would never know that it happened.
	But you check the classified ads and the free shopping papers and stuff like that.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Yes, sir.
	Mr. Cooper.
	Yes, sir.
	I have a question on your EMD instructions on radios.
	Uh-huh.
	Does that cover the old-time crystal sets?
	I'm not really a radio expert, but I'd really like to know the information.
	No.
	It only affects computer chips.
	By the way for the public there is a place in Arizona called Antique Radio Supply that will sell you shortwave AM
	type crystal sets.
	Oh, and what are you talking about? Are you talking about those little things that we used to make when we were
	children?
	Sir, the old Heath Kitt style things.
	Yeah, so those are a little better than what we used to make.
	Well, I can't say that. I've made my own from a Heath Kitt, but I just got back into radio and I heard you talking
	about the EMD and I really feel that that might be the answer for a reasonably priced way to go.
	It's obviously not a transmitting device.
	No, it's a listening device.
	But that should help a lot of people.
	It takes no power.
	Weren't crystal radios the first receivers that were ever built?
	Yes, sir.
	I think it's based on some of the Marconi principles.
	I just thought I'd throw that in the pot.
	By the way, I'm here in Ohio, and as soon as you started talking about the radios, VOA kind of cranked up their power and kicked you right in the butt.
	VOA is not supposed to be transmitting right now.
	Well, buddy, they're on 7405, and they're really gassing it up.
	I'm catching you on 7415.
	You sure that's VOA?
	Yes, sir.
	I heard them ID themselves.
	Well, if that's the case, then, uh...
	Then they're broadcasting at the wrong time out of band.
	They're not even supposed to be on the air in that frequency at this time.
	Not anywhere.
	Oh, I have no idea about that, but I really enjoyed you back on the air.
	I lost you for about two or three years, but by God, I'm glad you're back, Bill.
	Well, thank you.
	I really am.
	That's about all I had to say, but I wanted to check out that multi-crystal set.
	Where is this place at?
	Do you know?
	It's called Antique Radiance Appliance, somewhere in Arizona.
	I have the catalog, but by golly, I couldn't find it for you right now.
	Okay, when you find it, just send me the name and address and the phone number.
	I surely will.
	Okay?
	Bless your heart.
	Keep on going, brother.
	We need you.
	Thank you, sir.
	And thank you for your call.
	Thank you.
	520-333-4578 is the number.
	Well, there's two good calls.
	I mean, I know there's an awful lot of people out there listening who know all of the answers to these questions.
	They may be a little shy.
	I can't imagine, though, a hem Operator or somebody who loves radio that transmits being shy.
	That just doesn't fit the mold.
	I would imagine that there are probably some people out there who hold licenses who are just scared to death of this subject and don't want to talk about it because they fit into the sheeple mold which is basically huge, tremendous herds of cowards that roam at will across the country bowing and licking the boots of tyranny.
	And if that be the case, then so be it.
	We don't really need to hear from that particular area of the population anyway.
	We support, propagate, and promote real people, not sheeple.
	Guts, bravery, the ability To study and learn what's right and do it in the face of all opposition no matter the consequences.
	Simply because a deal with the devil is still a deal with the devil.
	There is no such thing as a choice between the lesser or greater of two evils.
	Any time you use and choose the lesser of two evils you have made a deal with the devil.
	Did you know that?
	520-333-4578. The topic tonight is tube type, old radios.
	How do we set up our own home stations?
	Where do we get the parts and the tubes and the, where do we get these radios repaired?
	Where do we get the radios to begin with?
	Which ones are the ones to buy and which ones are the ones to stay away from?
	What do we need to know to be able to operate this equipment?
	We need to hear from you.
	Baby, you watch the fishies.
	Don't you know that walking with you.
	You'll make a burning man see when you walk that walk.
	Baby, you watch the fleasies.
	Don't you know that watching fleasies.
	I guess we'll set you free when you walk that wall.
	Well, you've got a rollin' motion, like a leap on a deep blue ocean.
	With your carpet bringin' us to sea, I can see what I've been missing.
	Sweet crocodile, in a fairy mood Well, I don't know where you take it
	But baby, baby, please don't break it.
	You know you're fine to me.
	You've got the look to me.
	I want to walk with you.
	I love you too.
	Maybe you got confusion Don't you know that what you do is You're able to be who you are at last Well, you got a rollin' motion I sleep on a beach in the ocean With my bed ringin' out I can see what I'm about to see One of the best, the very best of all the old music from all the generations gone by.
	That's what you hear on the hour of the time.
	That's what all the people in the Round Valley here in Arizona hear on 101.1 FM, which is our community service non-profit radio station run by the Family Charitable Trust.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Good evening, Bill.
	This is Steve up around Kalamazoo.
	Regarding the, uh, radio equipment.
	Yeah, Steve, can you help us out here?
	Uh, certainly.
	I've been into conspiracy radio, uh, Bill, ever since the fifth grade.
	When I doctored my, uh, crystal radio set that my dad got me trying to be a good dad because, of course, I was a first child.
	And the instructions obliquely said that it was tuned by this coil and this capacitor, see?
	So, Your average fourth or fifth grader says, well, what happens if we fool with this coil?
	And I got the thing on the middle of the 49 meter, I believe it was, shortwave band.
	And guess what?
	None of the news broadcasts matched up.
	So if the truth is the truth, and the news represents the truth, and all the news were different, there was something wrong here.
	It didn't take a fifth grader to figure that out, Bill.
	So we got a little experience.
	Well, wonderful.
	Sounds like you were a child right around the lines like my brother and I, who like to experiment.
	As far as radio equipment, because starting out as just a little kid, my meager, meager allowance, because of course that first crystal set was only the beginning, then we moved up to kid super-hetri, or super-regenerative radios, which the Advantage to those things were that if you fooled with some of the parts, you could make a darn good transmitter out of the exact same thing you were receiving on.
	So, that was a lot of fun, but of course, if you had many of them, it just turned into a radio chaos.
	Apologies to Roger Walters there.
	Be careful about the use of that word, kid.
	You could get me in big trouble.
	Oh, that's right.
	Oops, I did the oopsies.
	Hopefully Boo's not monitoring.
	But anyhow, on to the radio equipment.
	The thing I got into coming up as a young teenager and financing this whole thing off my allowance was Army surplus stuff, which in the late 50s and early 60s was amazingly cheap.
	Actually, I'm appalled at some of the prices that are currently being got for what little of that equipment remains, because most of it was scrapped out for parts, of course, but back then, I actually used this stuff.
	Some of the top of the line stuff, of course, is still around, like your Collins Series R390, R389, which was the broadcast band set.
	Boy, if you ever wanted a broadcast band DX radio made by Collins, that's The Cadillac, as far as whatever was done.
	You know, I was looking at some of that Collins stuff on the internet, and I don't think I could even afford to look at it on the internet.
	It sells for more now than it did new then, Bill.
	I had my first commercially made non-circumference receiver with a Holocrafters S120, and some of my Ham's friends were over and were fooling on the eBar network, which is just, or eBay, whatever the auction thing is, and it's just It's fascinating as far as seeing pictures of our old rigs way back when that of course we got rid of because there's better stuff about.
	But if the issue is now reliability and serviceability and repair history as far as everybody knows what the bugs are, those old Collins sets, either the commercial ones or my favorites of course were always the military ones.
	There's also another vehicular set.
	Which had a vehicular Collins, it was an R392 receiver, and these were digital readout, but not electronic digital readout.
	It was a mechanical beater root sort of arrangement.
	And on the transmitter side, as far as stuff that doesn't have any semiconductors and any brains to it at all, there was like your holocrafters, mini holocrafters, transmitters, Many Heathkit types of gear and of course my favorite again was stuff like ART-13 AM aircraft transmitters which covered from 1.5 megahertz which of course is 1500 on the AM broadcast band up through about 18 megahertz unmodified and they were once upon a time available real cheap and are still relatively
	And there's still a lot of all of that stuff that you just named around.
	I've seen it.
	Yeah, that's it.
	You know, the issue with the EMP pulse protection, which is what we are talking here, that was what the Russian military philosophy was as far as staying with vacuum tubes for virtually as long as possible, because after the pulse goes through, it'll ionize the tube, but then after the pulse is gone, the tube de-ionizes and then A number of trials will still be operable because the tube radios function on high voltage circuitry where you're dealing with anywhere from 130, 150, up to 600 volts as far as supply rail.
	Anything that's solid state is working at a 3 to 5 volt supply rail.
	It gets the balls through it.
	It destroys all those junctions.
	All those junctions just go fucks and it's useless.
	Unless it has been suitably prepared to take EMP pulses, which generally only high-end military stuff currently is.
	The Russians are currently, because they stayed current with the tubes just because it was the most economic way to solve the problem.
	And they're actually the foremost producers of vacuum tubes, both commercial vacuum tubes
	and broadcast stuff as well as ham and audio like guitar amplifier type vacuum tubes.
	Yeah, I was just waiting for a break to put that in there and you beat me to the punch.
	It's no secret in the electronic industry, Bill.
	Your copy is, the radio copy on the planet out here in Michigan this evening is just
	Normally I, of course, record the broadcast.
	It's been unrecordable the last three nights.
	It sounds like either they're running a power suck on you or VOA has a couple other transmitters pointed in opposite directions and are basically back splattering you guys.
	Well, you know what?
	They can try whatever they want to.
	They can never silence the voice of truth.
	Well, I sure wish it was back at a good satellite feed.
	Boy, that was just the berries as far as rebroadcasting, because that thing comes over the shortwave and you just always have that atmospheric fade to them.
	I just like good audio, guy.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, we would if we could just find a reasonable price.
	On one of the satellite networks are, you know, I'm trying to think of the name for it.
	What do you call it?
	Service providers on one of the birds.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If we could just find one at a reasonable cost.
	I mean, since we were on the satellite last, the price has just Oh yeah, because the birds are getting fried and the replacement birds cost a lot and the international bankers want to get paid for financing the replacement birds and Bill Cooper's program is part of the mix that will probably cost somebody a big time.
	Yeah, and I think part of it is to keep those of us who can't pay that big money off of there anyway.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	That's really the function of the FCC is to silence the voice of the people.
	Yes, they have to control all media.
	You know, Bill, when I was coming up, just as another curious radio fact, and I'm sure a lot of other fellow communications geeks out there share the same thing.
	When I was, like, in my early teens, you know, first getting started in the radio hobby, all the guys were old World War II vets who, of course, picked up their seat out in the Navy and, you know, were radio ops during World War II or Korea or whatever.
	And at that point, you know, we're talking the late Eisenhower years, virtually all the communications, as it is now, was all totally tight.
	And there's always one where all these old guys always just have such a bad attitude that the country's going to hell in the handbasket and there's commies in the State Department and all like this.
	Because they were alive when this country was really free.
	Right!
	But the important thing is, Bill, at that point in time, it was Baham Radio operators, those old codgers that had such an attitude, were the only ones that had, at that point, virtually an uncontrolled communication media to, A, compare notes as far as what was currently politically going on, as well as, because of their communications training and networking, they were all ex-service guys, so they knew at that period of time what Protecting and defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
	Mint!
	And that's basically, I could never figure that out why these guys are always so grumpy.
	And now that I'm a grumpy old man worried about the exact same issues, I understand.
	Yeah.
	Isn't that amazing?
	Yep.
	Bill, because the copy was so bad, I was back working in the shop.
	Were there anything else, old tube-type radio or communications related?
	As far as modern state stuff, just let me State my preferences for universal boxes, and as far as your communication network, there's enough communication peaks out here when the balloon goes up, you'll be amazed at what pulls together.
	My favorites right now are the Kenwood TS-50, that's normally my receiver that I use to record you off shortwave, otherwise it's Gillian's and other shortwave receivers that's just in the console.
	The advantage of that thing is, if you cut the green wire inside, it's continual receive from below the AM broadcast band all the way up through 32 MHz, all mode.
	That's upper, lower, AM, CW, data, and FM.
	Just by cutting one wire?
	Yes.
	The transmitter starts from 1.5 MHz all the way up.
	5, 2500 watts PEP as far as the three power levels.
	They're available on the internet at AmFest for the five to six hundred dollar range, depending on what the deal is.
	And it does pull out, put out the whole hundred watts of snot continually all the way from 1.5 megahertz all the way up through 30, I think it's 32, 999 if I recall.
	As far as on the other side of the equation, I like the Kenwood TS741-742 tri-band rig because you can load three band modules.
	When the appropriate wire is cut in that thing, it receives virtually the entire UHF spectrum with very little gaps in there.
	As far as a modern scanner, the unit in, what is this thing?
	I got a bank of them.
	The unit in Bearcat BC-895XLT is what's called a Trunk Tracking Scanner.
	That, when suitably programmed, a lot of the police and government and the city buses and all that go into a radio system that's called a trunking system, where they're all combined over multiple transmitter and receiver sites and frequencies.
	The problem is they're all in there jammed together, but this radio is designed to track by specific agencies, so it automatically follows the frequency and the PL tones to straighten that all out.
	Uh-huh.
	Now, just counting all this modern stuff, let's go back and talk about the tube stuff.
	Tank anchors.
	I've heard them referred to as boat anchors.
	Boat anchors!
	Tank anchors!
	Well, it depends on whether it's naval equipment or army equipment.
	Oh, I see.
	Now, discussing that, you've told us your preference is Collins.
	Now, aside from Collins, within the realm that most people can afford, what is your next best preference in transceivers and or receivers?
	Shoot, a lot of the military stuff, and one of the earlier callers mentioned Antique Electronics Supply down in Tempe, Arizona, and they're just excellent as far as keeping the antiques going and hard to find high voltage builder capacitors.
	And things like that.
	The other place that used to be great, because curiously, Fair Radio Sales and I are the exact same age, as are Arnold Schwarzenegger, but nevertheless, Fair Radio Sales has a lot of military equipment, but unfortunately, the military equipment that are in their current catalog are not new, $5 in the box, brand new command sets that still smell like World War II when you took them out of the box.
	They're current stuff and you know current military issues stuff and the market is all being bid up by foreign governments and foreign governments procurement agents inside the United States to buy stuff from for from air radio sales and other airborne equipment sales places and so the the market on that stuff is stratospheric.
	I mean I got some old World War II Definite tank anchors.
	They're cast iron AM broadcast low band sets that were typically used in white half tracks.
	They're made by General Electric and these things, Bill, are literally tank anchors.
	They're all cast iron and use circuitry that was typical of the early 1930s as far as this really archaic stuff.
	And a long time ago I bought one of these things for the brand new in the box for like
	$15.
	The problem is the thing weighed like 300 pounds and it had to be truck shipped and
	the truck shipment bill was like 50 bucks.
	So it was sort of a bummer.
	But to show you how this stuff has gotten bid up, that exact same set, which curiously
	still resides in the bottom of my barn, is now selling for like $600 to $800 in the military
	vehicle collector's paper because people need it for their totally correct white half tracks.
	Ah, I see.
	That's where a lot of the ex-military, what remains of it, is now going back in, even
	the crazy old airplane radios.
	But I never thought they'd run out of stuff like command sets or ART-13s or things like
	some of this other stuff over there is just phenomenal.
	I mean, fields full of this stuff.
	But time marches on.
	I guess it's now 40 or 50 years later.
	Yeah, and eventually it'll be crumbling to dust.
	But right now, most of that stuff, when you set it side by side against some of this modern stuff,
	holds its own really well.
	And some of it's better than what they've...
	Oh yeah, well it's certainly better than what they make today.
	Oh yeah, well it's certainly better I appreciate you taking the call and hopefully we managed to spread some knowledge even though it's from my particular perspective.
	Well, that's okay.
	We put all these different perspectives together and we get an overall picture from which to make our own personal decisions.
	And that's what it's all about.
	Absolutely, sir.
	Carry on, Bill.
	Thank you so much for your call.
	The number is 520-333-4578.
	If you want to jump in here, I mean, we're really interested in hearing from as many people as we possibly can who really know about this stuff.
	Where do we get tubes?
	Who fixes these things besides this place down in Tempe?
	And I'm not sure they fix it.
	It was cited by both of the last two callers as a place to obtain parts.
	Um, you know, now I'm one of those kinds of people who I could obtain all the parts I wanted to, but I'm not sure that I could put them in a radio and make them work, except for tubes.
	I can do that really well.
	Anything that plugs in or you can unplug.
	And I know how to use a tube tester.
	When I was a boy, all the radios still had tubes in them.
	And so when our radio didn't work, I mean, we didn't throw it in the trash and we didn't take it down to the repair place.
	We pulled the tubes out and took them down and for 25 cents we could test the tubes at places like Woolworth and, you know, wherever they had a tube tester.
	You paid your 25 cents and you tested your tubes and then you went and bought whatever tubes didn't test out right and put them back in the radio.
	And 99 times out of 100, it worked just like it was brand new.
	That's what I like about that stuff.
	You know, these things that I have now, some of these modern things, when something goes wrong with it, I can open it up and look at it, and that's it.
	I better not touch anything.
	And I have to send it off somewhere, and it's going to cost me an arm and a leg to get it fixed, and they're going to send it back, and sometimes it works right, and sometimes it doesn't, even after they've supposedly fixed it.
	And all of these things that have computer chips in them, are really sensitive. For instance, in the wintertime in
	Arizona, it's really dry.
	Which means if you walk across a floor that has a carpet on it, and you touch something
	that has computer chips in it, you can actually destroy that piece of equipment. It doesn't
	matter what it is. It could be a microwave oven. And so you have to, you learn in Arizona
	the expensive way not to touch anything that has computer chips in it until you've grounded
	And then you don't move your feet until you've grounded yourself and then you do whatever you have to do and then you can move your feet.
	Because every time you move your feet in a dry climate in the winter on a rug or carpet You're generating electricity.
	And so you walk up to a Sanjean radio after you've walked across a carpet in the winter in Arizona and you touch that radio and a spark will jump, and I'm not exaggerating a bit, a spark will jump a half an inch from your finger to that radio and then it won't work anymore.
	And you have to send it in to get it fixed because you fried it with static electricity.
	You see what I'm talking about folks?
	And we're buying these things To keep and use in case of emergency?
	It's not going to work.
	And folks, I've got news for you.
	These little bay gin radios that you crank up?
	Guess what they've got inside of them?
	We're being taken for another ride.
	520-333-4578. You're listening to WBCQ, Monticello, Maine, USA.
	520-333-4578.
	I'm William Cooper.
	This is the Hour of the Time.
	Our subject tonight is old-type radios that we can listen to people all over the world and that we can transmit upon.
	You know, either in one piece or several pieces or whatever.
	Tube-type radios.
	They're all over the place.
	Isn't it amazing?
	I'm going to play a little bit of it.
	Okay, thanks a lot.
	I was just talking to Paul, folks, who called again while that music was playing and gave me some information.
	So if you want to take your pen and paper and write this down, write this down.
	I've got some good information for you here that Paul called back and gave us.
	One is a place where you can get tubes, the tubes you need for your old tube radios.
	And that is S N D Tube Sales.
	S N D Tube Sales.
	The telephone number is area code 3 1 4 7 7 0 0 1 1 9.
	one four seven seven zero zero one one nine.
	That's once again S.N.D. tube sales telephone number area code three one four seven seven
	zero zero one one nine.
	And they have an email address if you want to send them email.
	That's here's the email address.
	S.N.D. tubes at S.T.I.N.E.T. dot com.
	I'm out.
	Once again, s-n-d-t-u-b-e-s at s-t-i-n-e-t dot com.
	And another one, Antique Radio Classifieds.
	Which I've heard of this before.
	And so you can write to ARC and get a free catalog.
	ARC P.O.
	Box 802-P14.
	That's P as in Paul.
	Once again P.O.
	Box 802-P14.
	Carlisle spelled C.A.R.L.I.S.L.E.
	Carlisle, Massachusetts, 01741.
	They also have a webpage on the internet, www.antiqueradio.com.
	Ok, the number is 520-333-4578.
	webpage on the internet www.antiqueradio.com www.antiqueradio.com.
	Okay, the number is 520-333-4578. We're still on our subject. The subject
	tonight is old radios that we can use in emergency that won't be fried by any kind of an
	EMP burst.
	Oh Okay?
	You all understand what we're talking about.
	And as far as I have discovered, folks, they're equal to or better than most of the modern stuff that you can get today.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	It might ring a bell with some of the people in the listening audience.
	Go ahead.
	I think it's made in England, and I just saw them on the internet today.
	Uh-huh.
	I'd never heard of that brand before, and I didn't realize that they made any short waves in these other countries.
	I thought they were all made, like, in China.
	Oh, no!
	You know, up until the last few years, Every country in the world uses shortwave radios like gangbusters.
	We were the only people who ignored them.
	Okay.
	Now, I know they don't manufacture any in the United States except maybe Drake.
	Drake does.
	Okay, but they're expensive radios.
	They're probably very good.
	In fact, Drake is one of the last manufacturers in the United States that makes anything in the United States.
	Yeah, I have this Grundig.
	I bought it.
	I didn't know that this thing was made in China.
	I don't believe I would have bought that.
	I got it because it said Grundig.
	I thought it was a German radio.
	And I, as soon as I pulled it out of the, you know, the way they advertised it, it was kind of like false advertising, you know, German quality, German engineering.
	Well, the real Grundig was really made in Germany and was a top of the line, top notch piece of equipment.
	If you bought a Grundig today that has Grundig on it, it was made in China, either Grundig is now doing what most other countries is doing and that's having their products manufactured in third world or other countries in order to save money on labor, or you've got a piece of fraudulent, you've got a fraudulent product, one of those two, I'm not sure which.
	Can I ask you one question tonight that doesn't have to do with the radios?
	Sure, go ahead.
	Yes, I am.
	I don't buy into that myself.
	I just tell them.
	I don't care whether it's a Jewish guy who claims that they're the master race because they're God's chosen people, or whether it's a white guy who claims he's the master race because, really, they're the real Israel, and the Jewish people are all fake, phony, and they're not really who they say they are, or whether it's the black power group, or whether it's the Japanese racists.
	I don't care who it is.
	There's no such thing.
	We are all people.
	We all have to live here on this earth, as far as I'm concerned.
	Racism is a plague upon humanity.
	It's used by those who want to divide us and conquer us and enslave us to keep us fighting amongst ourselves for reasons that are so absolutely stupid it's incredible.
	I'm glad to hear you take those positions, because that's the way I feel.
	I heard a shortwave broadcast last night, and they were just working the Jew zone for non-stop.
	I've never heard anything like that in my life.
	On shortwave radio.
	It may have been on there before.
	But, you know, saying, the man actually came out and said that all Jews are traitors.
	I mean, every single one of them.
	And the program, he may have the free spirit or right, I guess, to say things like that.
	But what concerns me is that when people do say things like that, it provokes other people to violence and to do things that are wrong.
	And that's what really concerns me.
	Well, I think somebody would have to be pretty stupid to take a message like that and believe it in the first place.
	For instance, I can prove that George Bush is not a Jew, but George Bush is tremendously involved in the destruction of the United States and bringing about a new world totalitarian socialist order.
	I can prove that Jimmy Carter is also involved in that.
	Jimmy Carter is a Christian Southern Baptist, as a matter of fact.
	I can prove that Jerry Falwell is involved in that.
	Jerry Falwell is one of the great charismatic Christian leaders in this country who's also an extreme Zionist.
	The Zionists in this country are mostly Christians who believe that they're the true Israel and thus the master race.
	I mean, it's just incredible how far off the diving board these people can go before they
	hit the water.
	It's amazing.
	I don't understand this.
	It's called stupidity, is what it's called.
	Anybody who actually believes that because somebody's skin is a different color, or their eyes look different, or they come from a different part of the world, they're not just as good as anybody else in this world.
	I agree with you at all.
	I was listening to you last night.
	You said you were part Indian?
	Yes, Native American.
	Well, if that's true, then they would believe you're not a part of Israel.
	Well, that's what they believe.
	You should see some of the letters that I get.
	You should see what they call my children, because I'm married to a Chinese woman.
	Oh, really?
	Wow.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you know, I used to... These people are dangerous.
	I used to mail some letters in to the editor of the local newspaper where I used to live, because I have a last name that... because obviously people can know that I'm Jewish.
	I, after every time I would mail a letter to the editor in, I would get a letter from
	somebody in the mail who wouldn't identify themselves and it would have a swastika on
	it.
	Oh yeah.
	And they would try to intimidate me.
	They'd pick you out.
	I mean it's just amazing, you know, they, even though I was probably saying things that
	they would agree with, you know, like conservative positions.
	Yeah, well these people are sick.
	They really are sick.
	I mean, anybody who has ever been in a Jewish community knows that those people argue so much amongst themselves.
	How in the world could you ever get them to agree on a plan to destroy the world?
	Well, yeah, like the man was saying, all Jews are traitors.
	That's a lie, because these Jewish people out there...
	I'm talking about the ordinary average Jewish person you meet on the street.
	Yeah, they're not intertwined with anything.
	No, they're not thinking about conspiracies or anything.
	No, they're thinking about feeding their children and keeping their job and putting food on the table and getting laid and having a party and all the things that most sheeple think about.
	You're right.
	And they really fall into the sheeple category, to tell you the truth, with all of the rest of the sheeple in the country, because they think that everything is hunky-dory and nothing's going on.
	and that they're really not, you know, paying attention.
	Yep.
	Well, you have a good night and I'm just glad to hear where you stand on these kinds of
	things.
	Oh, you should have been listening to me for years because I've had some broadcasts where
	I've just flat roasted those people.
	I don't like them.
	They're dangerous.
	Well, you have the courage.
	Well, you know, whatever it takes, I'm going to do the right thing.
	I don't care what it takes, and I don't care who gets mad, and I don't care who gets hurt or helped, even if it hurts me.
	Yeah, one more thing.
	I read this book once called the New Babylons, or the Papal Worship.
	Yeah?
	Have you ever heard of that one?
	Yes.
	I thought it was a pretty good book, but it was very hard to understand.
	Well, it is hard to understand because it goes into an awful lot of the old symbology of the ancient pagan religions, which the Catholic Church, or the Vatican as a matter of fact, incorporated in order that it could entice the people who worshipped all the pagan religions to join their church.
	And by this method, for gee, over a thousand years, they literally ruled the world.
	No.
	No.
	It means in hoc signa.
	It's Latin.
	Look it up.
	IHS. They say it means in deserves. No. Well, that's what they say. No. Well, that's they
	do. It means in hoc signum is Latin. Look it up. What is that? I thought it could it
	possibly be Isis Horus? No, it means with this sign I conquer. I conquer. Yeah. So what
	is the whole meaning of that? I don't. It's the symbol that that the Emperor Constantine
	Now, I don't care what the church history says, this man was the Emperor of Rome and he was actually, at the same time, serving as the Pope at that time.
	He is the one who made the Christian religion the official religion of Rome.
	And it was because of him that the first council of the Christian church was called, where
	they got together and decided to adopt the dates and the holidays and the symbolism of
	the pagan religions so that they wouldn't be constantly at war with these other religions
	and they could all meld as one.
	This is probably just making Catholics just go up the wall, but I'm not talking about
	normal people who belong to the church.
	They like everybody else belong to their church because their parents did.
	They haven't really studied the history of it, and I'm going to go farther than that
	so you don't think I'm picking on the Catholic church.
	I'm going to tell you right now that every single organized religion in this world exists solely to take money out of the pockets of the people and to control them.
	Yeah.
	I don't care what you call it.
	Yes.
	Well, God bless you, and I hope people listen to you, and I'm going to keep listening to you.
	Well, thank you.
	Yeah, but you've got to understand that it's not just this guy that you heard.
	There's racists in the black community.
	There's racists in the Jewish community.
	There's racists, the Japanese people are one of the greatest group of racists that you'll ever meet in your life, although they are one of the most polite Yeah.
	Well, that's all interesting.
	I'm going to go on and listen to you.
	also. The Chinese are, in some aspects and in some of their populations, not only racist,
	but elitist. For instance, the Mandarins.
	Yeah. Well, that's all interesting. I'm going to go on and listen to you. Have a good night.
	You too. Thank you very much. And thank you for calling.
	Well, that was interesting.
	We went way off the subject on that one.
	Let's see if we can get back somehow.
	Back to the subject of old tube-type radios.
	So, if you're listening out there and you know anything about it, and you can help us with where to get these radios, how much should we pay, what kind should we be buying, where do we get the tubes and the parts, and if we don't know how to fix it ourselves, where do we send them?
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Okay, I need you to talk a lot louder.
	Put that phone right in front of your mouth and talk real loud.
	Okay.
	That's better.
	Um, I went to an auction.
	I live here in the Midwest, but I went to an auction and found a tube tester that was there in a box of junk.
	I bought the box of junk for about three dollars.
	Wow, you got a deal.
	Well, I got this Mercury model 1101Z grid circuit analyzer tube tester which has Uh, testing for Octopins, 7 pins, Decal, Magnaval, Nobar, 9, 10 pins, Compactron, and some other ones.
	And, uh, a variety of test functions on it, and, uh, meter, and, uh, pin straighteners on it.
	And, to get this for only three dollars, I thought, I just really came out of that thing in a lucky manner.
	And my suggestion is this, is that, A lot of times there are these auctions, especially out there in the farming communities, you'll have people that have old time items that have been kept around for an awful long time and now they're up on the auction block because a person passed away or whatever.
	So if you go to those auctions, oftentimes you can get excellent finds on all kinds of old antique radios.
	I've seen old shortwave radios go for Mmm, $40 to $50.
	Uh-huh.
	And AM FM radios go for a little bit less.
	And, uh, you can sometimes even find some old electronics parts.
	And, of course, you'll find other things like wood-burning stoves and all kinds of gardening equipment and stuff like that, but that's a whole other topic.
	Yeah.
	But I recommend that the people check out the auctions, see what they're all about, and learn how to work the auctions to your advantage.
	If you come in there and decide you're gonna buy something no matter what, Thank you very much.
	Thank you for your call.
	That's an excellent idea.
	And I know it'll work because he's absolutely correct.
	I just wish you the best and God bless you, okay?
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you for your call.
	That's an excellent idea.
	And I know it'll work because he's absolutely correct.
	There are some sales and auctions across this country where people want to get rid of their
	old stuff or somebody dies and whoever's handling the estate has to liquidate it.
	And a lot of things from way back just turn up right there.
	You might have a chance at one hell of a deal on some really good stuff.
	So pay attention to that in your area.
	520-333-4578 is the number.
	Subject tonight is old radios for receiving and transmitting on all of the different bands,
	CB, shortwave, amateur, whatever, just so that we can have some kind of a network and
	communicate with other people in some of these terrible emergencies that happen without having
	to rely on somebody else or not having any communications at all.
	I know an awful lot of you live in areas of the country where if the primary services
	were to fail, you would be absolutely cut off from society.
	So one of your responsibilities is to prepare for that.
	You know?
	Remember the parable of the ant and the grasshopper?
	The old, I guess it's an Aesop's fable, isn't it?
	Pay attention to that.
	It's true.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	We're getting a lot of feedback here, Paul.
	You need to turn your radio down.
	And then you need to talk real loud.
	I've got a regular webpage for...
	We're getting some, a lot of feedback here, Paul.
	You need to turn your radio down.
	Yeah, I'll just walk away from it.
	And then you need to talk real loud.
	Okay, here you go. I'm walked away from my radio.
	I should not have any feedback now. Is that better?
	No, it's good, okay.
	Okay, the email, or for a full catalog, okay, email address is www.vacumtubes.com.
	Okay.
	That is for a full color catalog of the SMD tube sales.
	Oh, that's not what you gave me a while ago. Okay.
	Well, okay, this is the one that I gave you a while ago.
	That's right.
	No, we have it.
	address is sndtubes at stinet.com. That's right. Okay, you did have the telephone number,
	correct? I thought you had the email address wrong the first time around. No, we have it.
	That's exactly what we gave out. Okay. Well, this guy, he's a really good guy and he's
	reasonable. He also has a fax number if anybody wants to fax him.
	He's located in Hazelwood, Missouri.
	But his fax number is 314-770-9448.
	And if there are people out there looking for tubes, he does major credit cards and all that that ship worldwide.
	Wow.
	So he's an excellent source.
	It's the best that I've found for both shortwave...
	He's probably one of these old guys that live way out in the country under a big old spreading
	tree and his house is full of tubes, I'll bet you.
	Oh no, actually he lives in a subdivision, man.
	I myself, I'm a 35 year old hippie that just loves radio, man.
	I look in the ghettos on the north side of St. Louis, man.
	Oh, well when you said Missouri, I could just picture him out in the country with one of
	these old houses under a big old elm tree or something surrounded by tubes.
	They do exist, my friend.
	They do exist.
	There are places like that and hopefully when I get old enough to retire, I will find one sitting on maybe a couple hundred acres of land and have some cows walking around and I can say, You know, I'm getting pretty tired of back to my radio room or my shack or whatever late at night and listening to people like yourself, man.
	I'm enjoying the programming.
	Oh, good.
	Great.
	I know about the racist kind of business there.
	You know, that's not my ball of wax, man.
	You know, I get enough of that here in the ghetto, man.
	Being the proverbial marshmallow on a sea of hot cocoa, if you would, for lack of a better word.
	Well, you know, a lot of the black community is beginning to understand how racism is being used against them and against us in order to enslave us all.
	And they're starting to wake up.
	You're correct.
	Because I've found it more and more increasingly so that a lot of the black community, as you put it, they're not all the same color.
	They have varying shades, just like myself, you know.
	They don't like it, but they see my child playing with their children and they kind of say, well, this guy, I guess he must be all right because he lets his kid play with our kids.
	Sure.
	You know, if nobody would teach this nasty stuff to children, it wouldn't exist because children don't go out and even think of that kind of stuff.
	Okay, well, I think my calling card is totally up now.
	I just heard a tone.
	I'm sorry we used up your calling card tonight, but I really appreciate all the information you've given us.
	Well, I will send you that diagram for the double bazooka, not a problem, man.
	Great.
	It'll take me a little bit to get it together, but I will do it, and maybe I even might throw a zip in there or something.
	Oh, great.
	Thank you mucho.
	Alright, 73.
	520-333-4578.
	73's, from what I understand, folks, from listening to the radio, means good wishes,
	good luck, and all that kind of stuff.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Oh boy, there's the resident jerk-off.
	Always got one of those out there.
	I bet he's got a license.
	You want to bet?
	520-333-4578.
	520-333-4578. Isn't it amazing how some people who don't have brains choose to express themselves?
	Poor little feller.
	520-333-4578, if you'd like to contribute.
	Good evening, you're on the air.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	Yes, I heard you talking a while ago about these wind-up radios.
	Uh-huh.
	And you mentioned something was in them.
	Could you tell me what?
	Yeah, well, they don't have tubes, do they?
	Well, I wonder how they can operate if they're hit with an EMP burst.
	If they're hit with an what?
	With an electromagnetic burst.
	Oh, I see what you're saying.
	Okay.
	They won't work.
	I see.
	Okay.
	Alright, thank you.
	You're welcome.
	Okay, bye bye.
	See, nobody ever thought of that.
	And I've got to tell you the truth folks, I didn't think of it for a long time.
	And then one day, a couple weeks ago, I was sitting there, looking at my Sanjean radio, The one that we had purchased to get us through an emergency, and it just dawned on me, it just hit me like a brick right between the eyes, that it wouldn't work.
	And then I started thinking about all these other things, the bay jins and all these wind-up and solar-powered and all that stuff.
	They've got chips inside of them.
	They've all got chips in them.
	That's how they can make them so little.
	They won't work either.
	And you know, if I'm wrong about this, let me know.
	If they don't have any chips in them, let me know so I won't be steering you wrong, but that's what I see.
	That's what I see, folks.
	And, uh, might be intentional, I don't know.
	Might not.
	But whatever it is, we need to get it straight so that we don't fall into these traps.
	We've got to be able to know what's going on, and we've got to be able to communicate.
	We absolutely must be able to hear what's going on in the rest of the world and we must be able to communicate.
	And so we can't let ourselves fall into these traps.
	Tube radios.
	The old kind of radios.
	That's where it's at.
	And you know what?
	Except for the ones that are considered to be top-of-the-line collector's models, they don't cost very much.
	They really don't.
	I've been looking at them all over the place.
	I've got some!
	And they're fun!
	They're really fun!
	You know, it's amazing how much fun they are.
	It seems like the more modern things get, the more they make it impossible for you to enjoy them.
	For instance, when you turn on the Sandhya, you turn it on, you punch in the frequency, you hit enter, and you don't have to do anything else with that radio.
	That's no fun.
	That's no fun.
	At least not for me.
	It's not any fun.
	I like to be a part of what I'm doing.
	And so with those old radios, you really can be.
	.
	I want you, baby, make love all the time.
	I want you baby, just for a time.
	I give you all my loving, if you'll expect that you'll be kind.
	Good time darling, oh, this money lord, what can I do?
	I'm just sorry, I'm just sorry, oh, this money lord, what can I do?
	Good evening, you're on the air.
	Oh yeah, I just wanted to make a comment about the two radios.
	The best ones to get that aren't ultra expensive are like your Halocrafters, like your SX of 96 or 99.
	Uh-huh.
	Or if you want to get a Hammerlund, now they can be a little more expensive, like the good ones, like what's our HQ 170s and 180s, those are expensive.
	Now when you talk about the Halocrafters, the SXs, are those receivers or transceivers?
	Those are receivers.
	Okay.
	And I have an SX of 99 that my dad gave me.
	Now it's not as fancy as the 96, it doesn't have the Garrett tuning.
	That's what my old S-108 does, the Howlcrafter.
	But I mean, if that is good at DX or for amateur sideband like my Drake is, but of course that's
	solid state.
	But on the AM broadcast band at night when the Drake is getting swamped with multiple
	DX signals, this thing's got crystal phasing and it pulls in DX AM broadcast band stations
	like better sounding than any radio I got.
	That's what my old S-108 does, the Hallecrafter.
	It's just incredible.
	It blows the modern stuff right off the porch.
	Yeah, and so the helicopter is a good model to keep, but as far as parts go, there's different ones in these locations.
	I can't think of an antique wireless supply as one of them.
	Where's that at?
	I'd have to look it up.
	It's in one of the books.
	I think Broadcast Receiver Book.
	One of these books has the address on it.
	Oh, well, can you give us the name of some of the books that maybe people could purchase that would steer them in some of these directions?
	Well, Universal Radio has that one about shortwave, you know, communications receivers, past and present, those kind of books.
	Oh, I see.
	Okay.
	And there's several different listings for these kind of things.
	But also, if you know any old hams and stuff, I've got a brother-in-law who's an extra class ham, and he has an old hammer that mounts in amateur bands only.
	That's what you've got to be careful when you buy tube radios.
	Some of them are amateur bands only.
	They don't cover broadcast bands.
	Yeah.
	And so you've got to be careful when you buy them.
	That's an amateur band only receiver.
	But I'm thinking about swapping it for something that is what I want.
	One of ours being transistion.
	Yeah, good luck though.
	People want a lot of money for those things.
	Oh yeah.
	But other than that, as far as transmitting gear, I don't know what to tell you on that.
	That's really, you know, a caveat right there.
	Well, you can work it off your vehicle.
	Yeah, and they're always talking about the finals.
	Yeah.
	You need new finals.
	But also the transformers can heat up, too.
	Yeah.
	The only bad thing about emergency radios is it takes a lot of juice to run these tube
	radios.
	So you're going to have a hell of a generator or have a way to work it off your vehicle.
	Well, you can work it off your vehicle.
	You can have a generator, and everybody should have one.
	Or you can have a solar system set up, which will provide enough power to run it not 24
	hours a day, but for like five or six hours during certain portions of the day.
	You'd have to have a large solar array or a large stockpile of batteries though to run these because they do take some real amperage.
	Yeah, they do.
	That's true.
	Okay, well that's my recommendation.
	I know.
	I discovered that.
	I used to know some people who had a lot of Collins and they were real inexpensive back during that time and then I remembered Collins and I went looking for Collins and I found out real quick that I don't want a Collins even if I want one because I can't afford a Collins.
	Another good one is National.
	National were a good one too.
	Now nobody's talked about that yet.
	Tell us about National.
	Uh-huh.
	Really?
	What do they look like?
	Uh-huh.
	And all the old ones usually have two dials on the front.
	One is the band dial and the other one is the fine tuning.
	I mean, gray metal boxes just like the rest of them.
	But there are old tube types in there, like, you know, late 50s, early 60s.
	And all the old ones usually have two dials on the front.
	One is the band dial and the other one is the fine tuning.
	Yeah, yeah, the band's spread and then of course they all have the nice big deluxe meters on the front usually.
	Yeah. They're really pretty.
	I mean, they really can catch your eye and make you fall in love with them.
	Yeah, that'd be a book I'd recommend, though.
	Shortwave receivers.
	They're communications receivers.
	Past and present.
	Well, that's interesting.
	Okay, I'll write that down.
	Different models in them.
	They tell you whether they're really good value for the money or not.
	You can get the yen prices.
	Japanese collectors are stamping up some of the best ones.
	But with the S4 yen lines, if you have a Japanese collector, watch the radio.
	Well, that may have been true at one time, but I don't think they're doing it too much right now.
	They're in a deep, deep recession.
	They're in trouble.
	They're really in trouble, and it's going to hit us, too.
	But yeah, remember, the more chance, the better the radio, but then again, it's when these tubes are getting harder to find.
	I have heard that from some people, and from other people, I've told them, they've told me that they just don't know where to look, that they're there.
	I think that's what one of our callers was talking about when he said you've got to make sure your set is grounded well.
	I like the way you put that.
	I don't want to get a fatal shock.
	I think that's what one of our callers was talking about when he said you got to make
	sure your set is grounded well.
	I like the way you put that.
	The last radio thrill of your life.
	Thank you so much.
	Thank you.
	This is, by golly, the theater of the mind and it is thrilling to me.
	I love to listen to radio.
	I've always loved to listen to radio.
	Now sometimes when I get really involved in research or some of the products, some of the projects is what I meant to say, that we have going on around here, I don't get to listen too much.
	But whenever I can, especially in the summertime, Doyle and I just love to sit out on the porch and listen to radio late into the night during the summer when the reception is really good.
	We do it in the winter, but we live up in the mountains, 7,500 feet, and it's cold.
	It's cold in the winter, late at night.
	Even if it's warm in the daytime, at night it's cold.
	You don't find too many people sitting out in the cold at night unless they've got a
	nice rip roaring campfire in the middle of a circle.
	And then you might find some people doing that.
	In fact, we've been known to do that too, especially up at the ranch.
	520-333-4578.
	And by the way, those of you who remember Jeff from our conferences, Jeff just got married
	March the 3rd, which was yesterday as a matter of fact.
	So you might want to give him a call and wish him well, but give him a couple of weeks for
	the honeymoon to wear off.
	Good evening.
	You're on the air.
	Oh, hello.
	Is this Bill Cooper?
	It sure is.
	Can you speak a little louder please?
	This is Dave Martin in California.
	Hi Dave.
	And someone called one of our broadcasters from Republic and tell them to call me to call you.
	Well, I'll tell you what the subject of tonight's broadcast is, and then you can determine whether you have anything to contribute.
	Okay.
	We're talking about old tube-type radios that you can use to receive broadcasts from all over the world, and transmitters are transceivers, as they're called.
	Either way, either separate or together, or just receiving, are the sets that are combined in one unit, which are called transceivers, but only tube-type.
	Well, I'm good at that.
	I'll get there.
	it in and we're talking about which ones are the best ones to get, where do you get them,
	where do you get tubes, where do you have them repaired when they break down and it's
	not just a tube that you need to fix?
	Well, I'm good at that.
	Okay, well then you've got it.
	You've got the microphone, go for it.
	Well, first off, tubes are still available.
	A lot of them are made offshore.
	Of course, the Chinese are real good at making tubes.
	Of course, we don't like buying from the Chinese, but so what?
	If they work, they work.
	But there are still a lot of surplusers out there and people who specialize in just selling vacuum tubes.
	There are a few still made here in this country, especially high power output tubes for transmitters.
	The finer, well a lot of the old equipment that's still around, you can pick it up sometimes at Ham Radio Swap Meats and various other places.
	That's what they call Ham Fests.
	Ham Fests, Ham Swap Meats, they're all over the country.
	The way to find out where they're at is get the American Radio Relay League publication, QST.
	Most magazine stores generally will have that or a CQ magazine or something like that.
	But QST has a monthly little list of where all these places are going to be during the month.
	I do still use tubes.
	I've got some tube gear here, some overheat kit, and Collins gear.
	Of course, my thought, personally, is still Collins is the best.
	And it's still the best.
	And I own several pieces of that.
	I know you're right about that, but it's so expensive that the average person really can't get into that.
	Well, I buy used pieces as cheaply as I can and restore it.
	And I've bought pieces for as little as two or three hundred dollars and turned it around for anywhere from seven, eight hundred to a thousand dollars.
	Wow.
	Because people like it.
	Uh-huh.
	And then I also like to buy older receivers.
	The military, of course, there's still a lot of receivers like, say, through They're radio sales in Lima, Ohio.
	They have what are called the old R390 receivers.
	You know, can I interrupt you for just a minute and get you to put the telephone right in front of your mouth and talk a lot louder if you possibly can?
	It's all the taps on my phone.
	Well, actually it's our telephone patch here.
	What we have is a speakerphone with a microphone about 14 inches away from it.
	I have another little phone that I use when I'm On Republic.
	I have a show on Republic called The Comp Center.
	Uh-huh.
	And I'm the comp chief for that, so... But that's on Saturday afternoon.
	Why don't you give the frequency and the time?
	Well, it's on Republic Radio on G7, channel 14, 7.71 audio.
	channel 14 7.71 audio and on freeservers.com I look for RRI I'm not on shortwave yet.
	Oh I see okay.
	So you're on satellite on G7, transponder 14, 7.17 audio.
	That's 7.71.
	7.71, okay.
	I don't even know what frequency you're on right now.
	I tried looking, but I... 7.415.
	Which one?
	7.415 megahertz.
	Or 15.
	That's an old virus frequency years ago.
	I tried looking, but I see...
	7.415.
	Which one?
	7.415 megahertz.
	For 15.
	That's an old Mars frequency years ago.
	Yeah, it's also where the old pirates used to hang out, too.
	We may have some more real civil believing they're going.
	Well, I think we probably... not pirates, but people who just need to communicate.
	That's right.
	Real communicators.
	Right.
	People with a message.
	You got it.
	I was going to mention, there's still a lot of other equipment, newer or older equipment out there.
	Of course you had the helicrafters equipment and the, oh gosh, my brain just died.
	It is.
	But there's a lot of stuff you can get, had a lot of equipment out there.
	What do you think of Siltronics?
	I see a lot of that around.
	Well, Siltronics was a, actually made by Swan, or was a subsidiary of Swan Corporation.
	I think most of it was made south of the border.
	I have a 1011C.
	So it covers 10 and 11 meters?
	Yes.
	Upper and lower sideband also.
	The transceivers, of course, the Swan made some really fine stuff for low cost.
	It was good gear and still a lot of people using that for HF.
	It was all American made, of course.
	Now, when you say HF, you're talking about high frequency.
	High frequency.
	Well, it covered generally 80 through 10 meters.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	And there's a lot of those out there.
	Two and a half bands only.
	Yeah, there's lots of those out there.
	And some of them say that they have 160.
	Now, what's 160?
	Of course, then you had Helicrafter had quite a bit out.
	What do they mean when they say 160?
	160 meters is 1.8 to 2 megahertz.
	So that would be what's called the 160 meter band.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	It's actually the wavelength of the frequency you're looking at.
	Uh-huh.
	Everybody, rather than putting the meter band on I see.
	How do you convert kilohertz to like, how do you convert kilohertz to kilocycles or megahertz?
	Kilocycles means the same thing.
	That's the same thing?
	Yeah.
	So if I say I'm on 7.4, if I say I'm on 7415 kilocycles, that's the same as 7415 kilohertz?
	Okay.
	That was giving me some problems.
	I didn't... I see a lot of radios advertise this from blankety blank to blankety blank kilohertz.
	Right.
	And I didn't know what that meant.
	Right.
	Well, back around the 60s, they decided to recognize Mr. Hertz, who was the man responsible for determining different frequency or creating some form...
	Uh-huh.
	They change it from kilocycles to Hertz.
	But it's the same thing?
	Exactly the same thing.
	Oh, right.
	Well, that clears up a few mysteries.
	I don't even remember reading the history about Mr. Hertz, but very little.
	But that was back when I was in high school, I think.
	I see.
	So, what would be an optimum tube shack?
	that would be within a reasonable cost for most people if they wanted to set up a communications
	center for use in case of some extreme emergency.
	What would you recommend?
	Okay, if you're going to get a piece of tube here, find a transceiver that hopefully is
	working, and if it's not, they are repairable, and you can get parts for them.
	And I can help you get them or find them or buy them or whatever through my company, and
	I'll give the phone number out in a few minutes, but I can also point you in the right direction.
	Okay.
	Allied still sells a lot of the parts.
	Newark Electronics still sells some of the parts, but then there's other companies and organizations that you can get digging here while I'm talking for a catalog that I have that just specializes in old time products.
	And there's a magazine out there called Antique Electronic Supply.
	I'll give you a phone number for that.
	So everyone get your pencil and paper there.
	And they sell tubes, books, parts, supplies.
	Their phone number is area code 602-820-5411.
	That's 602-820-5411.
	602-820-5411.
	That's 602-820-5411.
	And they have a fax on 800.
	Should I give that out, Bill?
	What is it now?
	We have a fax on 800.
	Sure, go ahead.
	Okay, it's 800-706-7689.
	And that's a fax?
	6789.
	Okay, and that's a fax number, right?
	800 number fax, right.
	Okay, great.
	Now, they have a little catalog that you can send for, I think, Well, that's okay.
	If we're going to do this, it'll be worth it.
	Now, remember, when you're dealing with vacuum tubes, you're dealing with high voltages.
	In a receiver, you might deal with upwards of 200 or 300 volts DC.
	A transmitter, especially in the final output stage of the transmitter, you can deal with as much as, well, most of the older transceivers used 6146 final tubes.
	Some of those were about 800 volts.
	The ones that used sweet tubes, that was a type of tube used in the TV sets, I've seen some Heath kits that are still in kit form that you can put together.
	I wish I could find them.
	You can find Heath kits and some of that kind of equipment for as little as $100.
	I've seen some Heath kits that are still in kit form that you can put together.
	I wish I could find them.
	I'll put them together.
	I used to love to build that stuff.
	Wow.
	Well, if I'd have known that, I would have picked them up, but I didn't know anything
	about it, to tell you the truth, at the time.
	Actually, you'd probably have to replace some of the old dried-out capacitors.
	That's the one thing you want to be careful of when you do get a piece of gear.
	Now, if you buy a transceiver, always be sure that you get the power supply with it.
	Yeah.
	Because you can't find a lot of them now.
	They generally didn't have the power supply.
	And the heat kits all use the same little supply.
	So if you find one heat kit, it'll work with other ones.
	Not only that, but it can be modified to work with a swan.
	And some of the others that had 6-volt filaments.
	Oh, volt filaments, I'm sorry.
	For instance, on our 1011C, it's got a 12-prong male power fitting on the back of it.
	That's a Jones connector on those.
	And where do you get those kinds of things?
	The Jones connector.
	And the power supply that goes with it.
	Well, the supply you'd probably have to build up today.
	But if you have the schematic of the unit, it's not that hard.
	There's several companies out there still making transformers.
	You can still buy the capacitors, but you do want to replace most of the electrolytic capacitors.
	That's the big, generally aluminum or paper capacitors with the line on the side or the positive end on it.
	Those, they get dried out.
	And when they dry out, the holes tend to get poked in the dielectric material or the insulating
	material between the plates.
	And that will cause them to break down and you get a lot of hum in the radio set and
	things.
	Wow.
	So you want to avoid that.
	Now does that require desoldering and soldering?
	Yes it does.
	So you've got to be pretty good to do that.
	Amateurs shouldn't be doing that.
	Now somebody who hasn't done that before shouldn't be in there doing that kind of thing.
	That's true.
	If you don't know what you're doing, don't touch it.
	The other thing, when you do open a setup like that, if you are planning to do it, be sure that you touch both ends of the cap, if you don't know which end it is, with a screwdriver and touch that to ground or something, an insulated device.
	Because if they are holding a charge, and they do hold a pretty good charge, you can get knocked for a loop.
	Your last radio thrill is the last caller put in.
	And I'd like to say one thing.
	Real radios glow in the dark.
	Oh, I've heard that before, you know, and I'm beginning to become a believer.
	Well, we're out of time, and you know, I want to really thank you for this.
	I would like for you to call me at this same number tomorrow afternoon.
	Okay, can I give you a number also and the people a number?
	Sure, go ahead.
	Okay, my company name is Martronics, and I help people in this area.
	And the phone number is 805-239-1932.
	The number is 805-239-1932.
	That's 805-239-1932.
	Well, thank you so much.
	You're welcome, Bill.
	And feel free to call me, too.
	OK.
	OK.
	Thanks a lot.
	Bye.
	Good night.
	And that's it, folks, for tonight.
	I hope my voice isn't too loud.
	I had to turn the pot way, way up on the last caller because his voice was just so loud.
	And he has a radio program.
	That's very unusual for somebody who's on the radio to project that low.
	He gave us some really, really good information.
	And tomorrow I'm going to try to talk to him and arrange some way where we can get his
	help on a more permanent level.
	And those of you with satellite dishes, you can tune in to his broadcast.
	Although, you know what?
	He didn't give us the time.
	It's Satellite G7, transponder 14, 7.71 audio.
	And we need to...it's on Saturday.
	I remember that.
	I don't remember if he gave the time or not.
	Maybe I just didn't hear it.
	But anyway, we're out of time for tonight's edition of the Hour of the Time.
	Good night, folks, and God bless each and every single one of you.
	I hope that we have opened your eyes to something that we've all overlooked and need to correct, and I hope that we all get busy correcting it right now.
	Good night, and God bless each and every single one of you.
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	It's simply this.
	All Hoffman flavors have that happy taste, except Sarsaparilla.
	We might as well come right out with it.
	We haven't quite hit that happy, carefree note in Sarsaparilla.
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