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Aug. 5, 1997 - Bill Cooper
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Armageddon
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Hello, Gene.
Hello.
Good afternoon, Bill.
How are you?
I'm doing just fine.
I'm doing just fine.
What's the situation with the metal report today?
Gold is at $320.30.
Silver is at $4.34.
Down a little bit from yesterday.
In fact, silver was up as high as $4.50 and has come back down.
Platinum is at $448.10.
Folks, one of the things I want to just totally encourage you on is that while we have this opportunity right now with gold and silver prices extremely low, Uh, we're at 12 year lows on these coins.
Goldman hit a point, I think, earlier this afternoon at 318.
Rebounded back up and is at 320.
Uh, I love it when it goes down because it makes it so I can buy it even cheaper for my own self.
And same thing for you.
Most people make the mistake of watching and waiting and letting the market get ahead of them.
And then finally they think, gosh, I better jump on the bandwagon.
And then you're, you're spending more than you need to basically.
So keep in mind, we're buying gold and silver right now at 12 year lows.
It's an excellent, excellent opportunity.
Stock market today ended up down about 11 points, 10.91.
Been a lot of volatility in the market.
If you watch it during the day, you'll see it's up and down like a roller coaster.
Again, if you haven't had a chance, Get a couple articles out there, one from Money Magazine, the August issue of Money Magazine.
Also, last, if you're able to, last week's issue of Time Magazine.
If not, I'll make you a copy and send it to you, where it talks about the government is setting up contingency plans, as well as the major brokerage houses are setting up contingency plans for major stock markets.
They call it a correction.
Whatever you want to call it.
Yeah, part of their contingency plan is they're putting bars on all the windows on floors above the second floor.
Exactly!
Absolutely, because they don't want all these brokers jumping out of the windows.
There's going to be an awful lot of sad campers out there, I think, in the next... Sad campers?
RVs are going to disappear from the landscape as they're repossessed.
Thousands per second.
Oh, absolutely.
People have got themselves up to debt, you know.
With everything and money is going to be hard to come by unless you've got some real money.
You know, I don't know if people, if you've ever played chess, a real good chess player makes his move ten moves ahead.
He's thinking ten moves ahead.
The guy that gets beat is always playing catch up, trying to just survive the one move that the guy just made.
And this economy and what's happening, I believe, in this system has been perpetrated many,
many years ago, decades ago, to get us to a point.
It's like playing chess.
They've been planning years and years in advance to get this country to a point where eventually
they can pull the plug and leave you handy, holding nothing but worthless Federal Reserve
notes and scampering around figuring out how you're going to buy groceries.
basically it'll be checkmate. You're going to be a slave to somebody else that holds all the money.
Da da da da! Enter the rescuer! Socialism will take care of you.
Exactly.
Ah, let me ask you a question, Dean. Are you ready for this one?
Uh, hope so.
How much money is represented just by mutual fund holdings alone right now?
I believe it's like four trillion dollars.
Wow, you're right on top of it.
That's the exact number.
$4 trillion.
According to the M1, how much money is in circulation today?
Well, you got me on that one.
Not $4 trillion, I'm afraid.
Now, if just the holdings in mutual funds represents $4 trillion, how much do you think is represented by the common stock on the New York Stock Exchange and the American Stock Exchange?
Oh, gosh.
It's got to be more, I would think.
Well, you've got to remember, a portion of it is the mutual funds.
That's true.
The mutual funds are made up of all the individual stocks.
No, that's $4 trillion.
In fact, mutual funds holdings are only about probably 15% of the stock market.
Okay, yeah.
So how much does that represent more?
A whole lot more.
Isn't this fun?
Yeah.
And how much do you think is represented by notes held by banks on mortgages, cars, furniture, and all that kind of stuff?
Well, they say our country is, credit-wise, is like $20 trillion in debt, just in credit.
Okay, let me ask you something.
If there's only a few billion dollars in notes actually in circulation, okay?
And there's all these tens of trillions of dollars out there represented in value of stock, mutual funds, debt, notes, mortgages, and things like that.
What do you think would happen if somebody even tried to pay off just a few of these things?
Or if people went in and tried to sell their stock?
There's no money to give them beyond a certain point.
Well, yeah, exactly.
It's going to be kind of like what happened when people were trying to take their $20 gold pieces or their $20 bills back in 1933 and going to the bank and saying, I want my $20 gold piece.
And all of a sudden they found out there wasn't any gold in the banks anymore.
That's right.
The money does not exist.
People actually believe that when they go down and get a loan to buy a house, that the bank has the money there.
And it's actually depositing the real money in their account.
Well, absolutely not.
I went down one time to cash a paycheck.
This was several years ago when I worked for another company.
And I had like a $16,000 paycheck one week.
You know, sold a lot of gold.
And guess what?
The bank did not have, this is a whole bank now, did not have $16,000 in their bank.
And that's not unusual at all.
You know, because I wanted to cash it.
You know, I didn't want to give it to them.
And they couldn't do it.
They literally made me put part of it into a savings account and I had to come back several days later and take the rest of it out.
That happened to me one time at a bank and all I wanted was $3,000.
They did not have $3,000 in cash.
All your banking is just entries in a ledger.
dollars in cash.
It's just numbers that go back and forth from one bank to another and the real money doesn't
even exist.
If everybody in the country said, okay, I'm going to take all my savings, all my stock
money and let's get it all in cash, they'd be in trouble.
You better believe it.
Because they'd be closing the banks like they did in 1933.
Yeah.
It's just non-existent.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, we've got a special for you.
Now, this is a little bit different than what we've done before because I'm going to give
you something for free.
This is going to be interesting folks.
Because I don't know anything about it yet.
Yeah, it's a freebie here.
What we're going to do, if you can buy anything you want, whether it's pneumatics, whether it's bullion, whether it's junk silver, you name what you want, I will give you our absolute rock-bottom price on it.
If it is an order of $1,000 or more, we will give you a MS-64 Morgan Silver Dollar, PCGS, or NGC.
It is an absolutely gorgeous coin.
It has some... Well, at one point, the coins were worth $300.
Now, they're down a little bit from there.
Understand that.
But, it has great investment potential.
We will give you one free.
Now, this is only for the first 20 people.
I don't have a whole lot of these, but I will give for the first 20 people that place orders of $1,000 or more.
On anything they want.
Could be a quarter bag of junk silver.
Could be gold bullion.
Don't care.
Whatever it is you want, we'll give you one of those for free.
Sounds like a good deal to me.
So, we'll try this out and see how it flies.
Throw it up a flight pole.
Our number is 800-295-2432.
800-295-2432 800-295-2432
Now does that mean that you no longer have any MS-64 Morgan dollars for sale if you're going to give these away?
Oh, I can get them for sale.
These are the ones that I have that I will give away and for the first 20 people.
Now if somebody wants to buy some, Greg will sell all that they want.
But these are ones that I'm satisfied to give away.
Very nice.
You'll be very pleased at what you see.
This is not junk.
This is some real nice stuff.
And you still have the 40-90% silver dollars at $40?
Oh yeah.
And how many rolls is 40 silver, I mean 40 silver quarters, I'm sorry folks.
I said silver dollars, it's silver quarters.
That's a roll, one roll or a $10 face value for $40, two rolls of silver eagles, or not silver eagles, I'm sorry, junk dimes, two rolls of junk dimes for $40.
We still have that one running.
And when you say junk, you don't really mean junk.
No, it's not junk at all.
Well, you know, people should be able to understand this real well.
It is real money as a matter of fact.
Exactly.
Real money in our currency when our money meant something and it was based on our just
weights and measures system.
Well you know people should be able to understand this real well.
The reason that 40, 90% silver quarters which are real money cost $40 is because they are
reflecting the real value of the intrinsic metal in the money.
Exactly.
And that's why it's real money.
And that's why you can't sell 40 of the quarters that you have in your pocket now for hardly even what they say they're worth because nobody wants them.
They don't have any metal in them.
They're phony.
They're copper.
If you want to get the true value of the quarters that you have in your pocket, go down to a junkyard and ask them the price of silver and then weigh your quarter.
That'll tell you the true value of the phony, counterfeit, debased coinage that you're carrying in your pocket.
They're not even silver-plated.
They're nickel-plated.
That's right.
And the only reason they plate them is so that you'll be fooled into thinking that it's real money because our money is supposed to be silver coins.
Yeah, it looks like it kind of.
But what if you don't know the difference?
But in actuality, it's nickel plated copper coins.
That's right.
And there really is no value to the nickel plating.
The value exists actually in the amount of copper that's in the coin.
And that's all it's worth.
So go down to your local junk dealer or call them on the phone.
Ask them what the price of copper is right now per pound or per quarter pound or whatever.
And then weigh your silver, your phony quarter And convert that into the real value of what you think you have in your pocket as money, and you'll find it's not even closely worth a nickel.
Exactly.
Much less a quarter.
In fact, it's probably worth a couple of cents, to tell you the truth.
You're talking just pennies as far as what the actual net worth value is at that.
Your pocket could be a fraction of a penny.
There's not much in there.
That's true.
How easy it is to fool people.
You know what we were talking about before about chess players.
They think 10 or 15 moves ahead.
Exactly.
The average person can't think past the next Budweiser.
That's true.
Or past the first commercial on TV.
That's right.
That's what they're counting on.
They're counting on people just being lulled to sleep by what's around them.
And when it happens, you know, the vast majority of people will be caught totally unaware of what's going on.
They'll think, gosh, I heard this from Bill Cooper, I heard this from Gene Doerr, it is true.
Yeah.
Then it's too late.
When you hear it, you know, and it's happening all around you and the bottom's falling out, guess what?
It's too late.
It's like Steven Jacobson says, unawares, unawares, unawares.
I love it.
Yeah that's absolutely true but you know even people who are aware of this and who know it and understand it won't even attempt to do anything about it because they don't think that it means anything as long as they can still go down and buy a loaf of bread they think everything is okay.
Well yeah but they don't realize grocery stores hold what I mean very little food when it comes down to as far as supply.
That's right.
Within hours your grocery store could be wiped out.
Well, they found that out in Los Angeles, didn't they?
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, it doesn't take long, folks.
I mean, there's a whole lot more people that are going to want food than there is food available.
Anything else, Gene?
Ah, that's it.
Act well, it's cheap.
And when you call and you're interested in this, just tell them you're interested in the free Morgan Silver Dollar offer.
Leave your name, your phone number, And we'll return the call and get you set up and you can tell us what you want.
We'll get the clientele to you.
I want it all!
That's it.
Thank you Gene.
Have a good afternoon.
We'll see you later.
Bye.
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You think we're preaching Armageddon ladies and gentlemen?
Not at all.
Armageddon is for those who think the world is going to end.
No, we're talking to those who want to survive.
Armageddon is for those who are not prepared.
The rest, those of us who prepare and are ready for whatever emergency comes along.
The world's not going to end for us, ladies and gentlemen.
We're not concerned about Armageddon.
there will be no Armageddon for us.
We'll be fighting for our rights, and fighting God for the moon.
The sheets of your shirts are the shoulders, with the tongue and nose.
And these tears will be tears of your Lord's children.
And these tears will be tears of your Lord's children.
there are out there.
What is Armageddon?
Anybody out there know?
What is Armageddon all about?
Really take your calls.
520-333-4578.
What is Armageddon?
I want to know.
Educate me.
Tell me what it's all about.
What is this Armageddon that everybody's always talking about?
I want to hear your viewpoint.
I want to hear what you think about that.
520-333-4578.
If you're well-read in the Bible, if you are a real Christian, you should know the answer.
And you should be able to tell me right off the bat, just exactly what it is.
Why is it?
When's it going to happen?
What's going to be the results of this so-called Armageddon?
Anybody know?
520-333-4578 is the number.
And, you know, I think I need a missing component here.
So I'm going to put this music back on and go see if I can find it.
Well, I guess I don't need it after all.
The phone is ringing.
I thought I needed the receiver on this hook here to make this thing work, but apparently I don't.
Good afternoon.
You're on the air.
Yes, good afternoon.
Bill, how are you today?
Fine.
Can you answer the question?
No, but I just want to make a comment regarding the gentleman who just was on your program regarding the metal.
Because I had a particular incident having to do with a bank could not cash a check for $6,200.
And I just want to say I'm going to be giving the gentleman a call to where I could purchase that.
Great, that's fantastic.
You know, I forgot to tell you, every dollar you spend with Southwest International Trading helps fund the Worldwide Freedom Radio Network.
You see, we do it a different way here.
Most people would charge Southwest International Trading, you know, a couple, $3,000 just to advertise on this broadcast.
Well, I don't do that because I don't think I should get something for nothing, what if not that many people call him?
That's correct, Will.
I'm going to be making that step right now.
Thank you for doing everything you're doing out there, and we'll talk to you later, Bill.
Okay, you want to take a stab at Armageddon?
When it's going to happen?
Anything about it.
What is it?
If you read the Bible once again, there's definitely going to be something happening.
I do believe in God and Jesus Christ.
I'm not a religious fanatic, but I do have to believe in a higher power.
It helped me through lots of problems within my life and also legal problems on how it magically appears and gets taken care of.
Well, anybody that doesn't believe in a higher power has never seen lightning strike, I can tell you that.
But at one time I did not believe in a higher power until probably about 8 years ago I finally got my act together and got my kids act together.
Children!
Children, please.
Children, that's correct.
I'm sorry.
Kids are baby goats.
We don't want to call our children baby goats.
And my son, he's doing wonderful.
He's attending a good university here, and he's going to be making a difference for the movement.
Fantastic.
Thank you, Bill.
You're welcome.
You notice, folks, that he called it the movement.
Isn't it funny?
Something that was made up of the entire nation at one time is now a movement.
And he's right.
He's right.
Socialism is so pervasive in this country that if you believe in freedom, then you're part of a movement.
Everything is topsy-turvy, backwards, upside-down, right is wrong, wrong is right, and all that kind of stuff.
520-333-4578 is the number.
I want to hear, what is Armageddon?
What is this Armageddon everybody's always talking about?
And why is everybody sitting around waiting for it to happen?
I know people who are just waiting for it to happen.
That's their whole function in life.
Well, I'm not going to get involved in anything in this world.
It doesn't, you know, it doesn't concern me.
I'm waiting for Armageddon and the Tribulation and then I'm going to be raptured.
And, you know, you guys are going to be down here.
And there are other people that don't believe in the rapture but believe that they have to go through all of this stuff.
And I'm not judging it, right or wrong, because, you know, you know, what my religious viewpoint is.
I just want to get a discussion started here.
See what this is all about.
Good afternoon.
You're on the air.
Good evening, Mr. Cooper.
This is Greg from Indiana.
Hi, Greg.
How are you?
I'm just fine, sir.
Armageddon.
I don't know how the dictionary describes Armageddon, but my dictionary... Did I say... I said my Bible.
I don't know how my Bible defines Armageddon, but my dictionary calls it a scene of the final battle between the forces of good and evil or a catastrophic confrontation.
Okay.
At least we now have a definition from somewhere, don't we?
Well, I thought I'd start the ball rolling.
Okay, well that's great.
Somebody's got to always do that.
Okay.
Okay, the vital confrontation between good and evil.
That kind of going on every day inside of each one of us anyway.
Yeah, I think it's being fought moment by moment, second by second, in the hearts and minds of everybody everywhere.
But if that's really what it is, a battle between good and evil, some people would disagree with that definition.
Absolutely.
Oh sure.
are considered to be. I think all of those forces are inside each and every one of us all the time.
Sure. Absolutely.
Yeah, I have a question about signing up for long distance through your network.
Sure.
Your advertised office hours are when I'm at work, so can I write Connie for information?
Oh, sure. Write her a letter and she'll send you information and she'll send you the form that you need to
fill out.
If you decide not to do it, all we ask is that you send the unfilled out form back to us because they cost money.
Okay.
And we're trying to fund the network, not waste money.
Okay.
The recording that you played last night?
The recording that I played?
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Man, that guy, I don't know who that guy was who was being interviewed on that program.
That's Lawrence Myers.
He used to be a big reporter for Media Bypass Magazine.
He had a very difficult time with reality.
I've been listening to your program for For quite a while, and I don't know where he gets his information from, but apparently he's making it up.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, it's just a blatant attack on those of us who are stirring the pot and making people think because these New World Order Socialist people don't want anybody to think.
They don't want anybody to hear the truth.
They don't want anybody stirred to go and start digging to find out.
I was astounded by the lies that I heard that guy speaking.
I mean, to think that this... Oh, it gets a lot worse.
up, the more dangerous it is for these socialists who are committing treason in this country.
I was astounded by the lies that I heard that guy speaking.
I mean, to think that this...
Oh, it gets a lot worse.
I was going to continue with it today, but why waste the audience's time on such absolute
crap, really?
So, I changed my mind.
I just don't want to waste all your time.
I wanted to give you a taste of it and let you know what's flying around out there and hitting the fan and bouncing back in people's faces.
I'm surprised that the fellow whose radio program that that guy was a guest on, you know, maybe it's just being polite, but I would have had a hard time letting it go on without at least catching him on something.
Well, that was Pastor Pete Peters.
Pastor Pete Peters is a flinging racist.
He's a proponent of the Christian Identity Movement, which is really British Israelism.
It is Zionism in its worst form.
It is that the Jews really aren't Jews.
The Jews are somebody else.
They speak Hebrew and they can read Hebrew and they have the religion preserved.
But the real Jews are not them.
The real Jews are the Anglo-Aryans, and they've lost their identity.
And now they've got to reclaim it, and they're the true inheritors of the world.
They're the true lineage of the House of David and all this.
Absolute, totally unfounded baloney.
Is that what the Christian Identity Movement is about?
I don't really know anything about it.
Yeah, that's exactly what it's about.
God bless you too.
Yeah, they're dangerous.
Very, very dangerous.
There are people sitting around waiting for it to happen.
And when it happens, you know, what's going to happen and what's going to be the outcome?
And what does it mean, you know, for all of us?
Is it really true?
Is it a misinterpretation?
Is it right on the money?
I mean, do you even know?
Now, I happen to know that a good percentage of this audience is Christian.
And I happen to know that this has a basis in the Christian religion.
And so, you should all have some kind of an explanation, and you should be calling this number in order to discuss it.
I'm not here to tell you you're wrong.
What it is that you think that it is, or what it is that you believe that it is, or what you think is factual or not factual about it, and where does it come from?
Is it only found in the Book of Revelations?
Can you find reference to it somewhere else?
Is the Christian religion and the Holy Bible the only source of the story of this great final battle?
Can you find it in other religions?
Is there reference to it in myth?
Do the American Indians know about it?
Hey, come on guys, get on the phone, 520-333-4578.
If you don't call, I'm going to know something.
I'm going to know that all you people who claim to be Christians and claim that you believe in all of this stuff aren't sure of yourself or you'd be calling and talking about it.
Isn't that true?
Are there any ministers out there?
This is your chance to get up on the pulpit and tell us what you know about Armageddon.
Anybody at all?
520-333-4578?
That's what I thought.
See, the whole reason I did this, folks, is I knew that there would be a few brave souls who would call and venture some kind of an opinion.
There always is, and that's good.
Whether they're right or wrong is of no consequence.
My whole point here is that Most of the people who claim to believe in this stuff do not believe in it or know enough about it to even hold an intelligent conversation.
And what brought this up?
The accusation yesterday on the tape that you heard on the Pete Peters show with Lawrence Myers that we're all preaching Armageddon!
So today, folks, you never heard the word Armageddon out of my mouth, did you?
But I guarantee you if somebody wanted to call and talk about it intelligently, I can do that.
How many of you can?
I can do it.
I know what it is.
I know what it's about.
I know what it's not about.
I know what it says about it in the original Hebrew and Greek.
And I know what the different translations have interpreted it to mean.
And some of them are pretty close to right on with the original Hebrew and Greek.
Some of them are so far off base, it's pathetic.
It's also not going to result in the end of the world, folks.
It's not going to happen.
Good afternoon.
You're on the air.
Hi.
It's Rita.
Hi, Rita.
How are you?
Hi.
I'm doing real good.
I just was going to tell you what I think, which is probably a lot different than a lot of people think, is I think it's something that already happened.
Okay.
Tell us about it.
I just think that it happened, it was talking about the first generation after Jesus was here when he said, many are standing here this day that will see me in my kingdom.
You mean there's somebody out there that really read what he said instead of listening to what somebody said he said?
You mean you really did listen or read what Jesus said in the Bible?
Yeah.
Well, that's amazing.
You're probably one of only ten people in the world who ever did that.
Well, I thought if he said that, he's never wrong.
So if he said they were standing there and they had to be there, then they were there.
And I read a lot of research books about it that talked about the destruction of Jerusalem.
They said it was so devastating that a fallen tree could be dragged between two horses and there wasn't enough left standing to even catch against the tree.
Yeah.
There was just nothing left.
The carnage was absolutely unbelievable.
It was horrendous and people were buried alive in tunnels under the city and I think a lot of people misunderstand that and think it's coming when it already happened.
Yeah.
Do you think that Jesus is in his kingdom according to his own teachings?
Yeah, that's what I think.
I think when he spoke that he meant the church of the Christians today that believe in him, that that was the new covenant.
Because then he would dwell inside of people.
So that was the new kingdom.
Wow.
Better than the one before because then we could really know him and work better because he could be in many places at one time.
You know, who did he say Israel is?
I don't know about that.
Oh, the people?
The race?
I think that when he was teaching Israel to know him was because people had been apart from him for so long they didn't know him anymore.
They didn't know how deep was his love.
They didn't understand his caring.
And I think the reason he knows that people to work with him was to educate them to know him.
Well, Israel is his kingdom, right?
Right.
And didn't he say, Whosoever shall believeeth in me?
Right.
That's correct.
But all these other people say that you have to be of a certain race.
A certain race?
You have to be of a certain race to be Israel and to be in the kingdom.
And if you're not, you're not going to be there.
I think the lesson that he tried to teach us was when the disciples were learning about that was to call nothing I've created unclean that this was going to be opened up to all people everywhere because everyone he made.
That's exactly correct.
Boy, that's so nice to talk to somebody with a brain who can read and read what is said and not try to make it say something that it doesn't.
When you really love him and you really learn.
There's so much reward in understanding it for the effort to read it and understand.
Yeah, some other people claim that if you don't belong to their church, you're not of Israel and you won't be in the kingdom that's coming and Jesus certainly, you know, you won't be with Jesus.
I think his church is those who love him and those who know him and it's not a building.
It's a living church.
It's a people.
And you don't have to have a membership there.
That's right.
I mean, other than his name.
I mean, if you're his, he says his sheep know the sound of his voice, so we do.
What did he say about his church?
Wherever two or more gather in my name, there shall I be also.
That's right.
That's all that's needed.
That's his church.
Yep.
And who is it?
Doesn't have to be a race.
Doesn't have to be a member of any of these churches that say you have to be a member of that church.
You don't have to believe in all of their baloney.
No.
You don't have to put money in their plate.
Whosoever shall believeth in me.
There's a verse that says they worship me in vain because their rules are rules made by men.
That's right.
So that's important to realize.
If they have a creed or a doctrine where they've written things out, then they're in error there.
They shouldn't be doing that.
Yeah.
And in the Bible, whether you believe that Armageddon is coming or that it has already happened, it's not the end of the world.
And it's not going to mean you're getting into heaven or you're not getting into heaven if you don't understand.
Maybe you just need to keep studying.
That's right.
Absolutely.
In the original Greek and Hebrew, the word is, in fact in the Greek it's aeon.
I forget the word in Hebrew, but it's the same word basically.
And what it means is the end of the age, not the end of the world.
And if people would really read their Bible, they would understand that how could it be the end of the world when that is going to be the beginning of Christ's reign in a new Jerusalem on earth?
4,000 years.
And then after that 1,000 years it's not going to be the end of the world because the devil is going to be let loose for a time more.
After that.
I'm going to study and understand the symbolism with a lot of that too.
Maybe we should open our own church, Aretha, and teach people what Jesus really said and
not what L.D. people want him to have said.
Right.
Yeah.
There's just a lot of misunderstanding, but anyone that knows the way he loves people,
there can't be any exclusion of racism or anything like that.
I just alluded to Chris because he made everybody here.
Yeah.
He also said, Judge not lest ye be judged.
Right.
Isn't that correct?
And all these people who call themselves Christians are running around judging everybody.
I even heard people who call themselves Christians refer to the Branch Davidians It's just a bunch of religious fanatics.
They deserve what they got.
Can you believe that?
That's terrifying.
It is absolutely terrifying.
I know what you're saying there, because I've heard Christians, but say they're Christians, say that too, and it's really upsetting.
Yes.
Okay, well, gee, you know, you made my day, you know?
You made my day.
Well, it was nice talking to you.
It was nice talking to you, too.
Thank you for calling.
Uh-huh.
Bye-bye.
Well, I guess that pretty much does that.
Does anybody out there have any conflicting ideas?
You know, if you want to call up and tell us what your idea is, we'll politely listen.
And who knows?
You might be right.
It might be food for thought.
Maybe I'm wrong.
How about that?
You know, I can be wrong.
I have been wrong on many occasions.
And if I have been proven wrong to my satisfaction, I have come on the air and said so.
Good afternoon.
You're on the air.
Hello Bill, this is Randy out in South Carolina.
Hi Randy.
How are you doing today?
Pretty good.
Talking about Armageddon, my belief on Armageddon is that it's going to be the battle between the angels in heaven and Satan's angels at the end of time.
But also, as far as Revelation is concerned, I believe that the book of Revelations is a warning to all of us that If we don't live our lives the way that God wants us to, the hell in this world?
What do you think about that?
Well, it's certainly possible.
You know, I don't think anything... You know, there's people out there who believe that it was all decided in the beginning, and it doesn't matter what you do.
It's already been decided how your life is going to be, and how it's going to end, and whether you're going to be good or bad, and what's going to happen in the world, and all of these things.
And I think if that's true, then this is all just a big joke.
And I wouldn't want to be a part of that religion or that God if that were true.
I think we've all been put here to make a choice.
To be bad or good.
To make good things happen or bad things happen.
And if that's the truth, then it all makes sense.
And I can go along with that.
We all have to answer to God when it's all over with.
That's the main thing.
Well, I'd say I feel like the book of Revelations is a warning to us that... Have you ever studied the mysteries?
No, not in depth, just other than what I've heard you talk about on the air.
In the Ellusian and the Dionysian mysteries, and the Egyptian mysteries, if you study the initiation of the prophane into the secret societies, and you compare that initiation And the metaphors that accompany it with the Book of Revelations, they're very, very similar.
I have to look into that.
Where can I find that information?
Oh my God.
Well, one place to start is in the works of Manly P. Hall.
And just go to any good library and go through the card catalog for Hall, Manly P. as the author, and just start reading He's one of the most prolific writers, and he wrote a lot about the ancient mysteries and their initiations.
There are many other sources, but that'll get you started.
I've noticed in the Masonic, The Human Reason, one of the authors of The Human Reason is one of the authors that you spoke about in your mystery series here awhile back.
Yes.
I can't remember his name right now.
But I've seen the front of that, and I've seen this guy's name, and I said, Man, that's the guy Kupo was talking about.
Read the book.
Yeah.
And, you know, in that human race, it speaks of God, but it never mentions Jesus.
No, because they don't believe in Jesus.
That's right.
A Freemason will tell you that it's a Christian organization if he lives in a Christian neighborhood or a Christian city.
Right.
And that's because they don't want you to know the truth about it.
It's against the rules of the lodge to even mention the word Jesus inside the lodge.
They say that they believe in a God, but the God that they believe in is the intellect.
They believe that man is God.
Right.
And I've also noticed, too, you know, somebody says that they're a Mason and you see them with a Masonic sticker on their vehicle.
Uh-huh.
And they'll tell you right up front, you know, hey, if you're a Mason and you've got a Masonic sticker and you stop by Highway Patrol and it's a Mason, you know, they're just going to give you a warning and let you go.
That's right.
So they've got a tight brotherhood there.
Yes they do.
An awful lot of it is unlawful, unfair, unethical, immoral, etc.
Oh yeah it is.
You see a lot of that in the community around here with police officers and people in the community and such.
Watch closely and you'll see the little handshakes they give and their little signs and signals and stuff.
Yeah, acted on the square.
Those little key phrases.
That's something else.
When I raise my hand, I'm going to get off here and let somebody else get on.
Listen to you every day and look forward to hearing you from now on.
Thanks Bill.
Thank you for calling.
520-333-4578 is the number.
What do you think about all this?
What do you think the Battle of Armageddon is?
What do you think the result of it is going to be?
Will it affect you?
Maybe you don't even believe in it.
At all.
Period.
Maybe you don't understand it.
Maybe you'll understand it really well.
Whatever.
Whatever.
Give me a call.
Talk about it.
Tell me what you think.
Let it all hang out, guys.
Let's hear what it's all about.
I love to go and listen to different preachers.
And sometimes, just on Sunday morning, I'll turn on the television set and listen to some of these evangelists.
And I love it when they take something that Jesus Christ is written to have said in the Bible, and all the words in red are purported to be Jesus' actual words, even though scholars say that those portions of the Bible weren't written until long after he was dead.
It depends upon what you believe about the Bible, whether those are his actual words or what people remembered, or whether they're the inspired word of God to put down what he said when people couldn't remember.
People have all different variations on this theme when you talk to them about the Bible and what it represents.
I like to hear them quote the words in red in the Bible and then listen to them interpret it.
to fit whatever agenda they are promoting, or dogma, or religion, and there's lots of agendas that are promoted this way, folks.
And then, you know, read it in the Bible in context with the other things that he said.
Nine times out of ten, he didn't say what they said at all, didn't mean what they're interpreting it to mean at all, and couldn't possibly.
You know, if you really believe That if you're a Christian and you really believe that Jesus spoke and didn't mean what he said, then you couldn't possibly believe that he is who you think he is.
Because he would have made himself very clear, wouldn't he?
I seem to believe, or have become to believe over the years, That people usually mean exactly what they say when they write something.
Like the Founding Fathers when they wrote the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I think they meant exactly what they said.
And I think they used the exact meanings of the words that they wanted to put in there to mean what they wanted it to mean when they wrote it according to the dictionary and the meaning of those words in their day.
And I don't think it needs interpretation at all.
I think interpretation is just a way of Skewing something to fit another agenda when originally it wouldn't fit that agenda.
And so somebody's got to come along and interpret it.
Am I right?
If you have any questions, please contact me at the email address on the screen.
Am I wrong?
What do you think about that?
Or do you think about it at all?
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Hello, Chuck from Atlanta.
Hi Chuck, how are you?
Yeah, I got my work done with you.
I got the dish on.
How's the weather down there?
Oh, it's beautiful here.
Not too hot.
It's all right.
I got the King James Bible, Armageddon.
The plain of Megiddo near Samaria, a scene of a violent battle or battles described in the Old Testament, although Armageddon itself is not mentioned.
In other words, it's the name of a place.
That's correct.
Is Armageddon mentioned in the New Testament?
It says it isn't.
In the encyclopedia in the back of King James, it says it's not.
But it says it's referred to in Revelations 16-16.
Okay.
But the word Armageddon is not used.
Well, I ain't really read the whole 1st Psalm.
That's okay.
I'm not trying to put you to shame or anything.
I just wondered if you knew.
No.
From what it says here, it is not.
And it's actually in the back section of the book, so... Is there any way you can turn down your radio or turn it off?
Yes, hold on a second.
Sorry about that.
Whenever you call folks at a radio station, a call-in show, always turn your radio off.
Or be prepared to turn it off the minute somebody answers, because it just plays havoc with the feedback.
Are you there?
Yes.
I can look through everything.
The 1828 Webster's, I can look it up and everything.
I've got Bible Concordance.
You have an 1828 Webster's?
Uh, it wasn't even in there.
Yeah, but you have an 1828 Webster's, right?
Yes.
Good for you.
Good for you.
And, uh, even in the Bible concordance, it just refers to Revelation 16, 16.
Okay.
That's as strong as the Bible concordance.
Alright.
So, the fence that I've got flipping four or five dictionaries up is the King James Bible.
Okay.
So, anybody else out there trying to find it, Well, with the vast number of Christians, or people who claim to be Christians in this audience, I was... I was... But, you know, I expected it.
Because the truth is, I know a lot of people who tell me they've read the Bible.
But I know, through talking to them, that they haven't read the Bible.
It just seems to be a thing that people have to say they've read it when they really haven't.
Or maybe they've just read portions.
I also know some people who've read the Bible two, three, four times.
And pretty much know what they're talking about.
But you know, I found that most people who call themselves Christians are Christians because their parents were.
They go to church.
They really don't know anything about Christianity or why they're a Christian or why they actually go to that church.
They've never really thought about it until you start hitting them with some very penetrating questions.
And the only thing that they know is what they remember from the teachings of whatever minister was standing in the pulpit most of their life.
So, I know that a lot of people can't answer these questions, and the reason I do this, especially when people throw it out like they did yesterday, Pete Peters and Lawrence Myers, throwing, bandying that term about like you're crazy, if you mention the word Armageddon, which they accused me of doing, and I'd never done it, I thought, well, if they're going to accuse me of talking about Armageddon, let's talk about it!
You know?
Let's find out what it is!
Yeah, what gets me is, like, when I moved from the north and the south, went to certain churches, and they told me I did everything wrong up north.
And I said, well, boy, in other words, if I would have lived up there for all these years, died at the age of 87, I wouldn't have gone to heaven, because I did something different than what you do at your church.
Oh, you'd be roasting, wouldn't you?
And that woke me up real big, saying, wait a minute, you know?
Do you believe that if you die and you're a bad person, that you're going to go to hell, and it's a place of fire and burning and all that kind of stuff?
No, because that's what I mean.
That's what really woke me up.
In other words, just because I didn't go to your church, I'm not going to heaven.
As long as I do the best thing, when you stand there and somebody does something morally, what should you do?
When you're thinking to yourself, is that what I should properly be doing?
So when I answer again, what really is going to happen to me?
And that doesn't matter what church you go to.
That's inside you that makes that decision.
That's right.
You got it.
At least I believe that way.
Also, did you know that there was no concept of a devil with horns and a pointy tail and a place called Hell with burning fire until Dante wrote his Dante's Inferno?
He wrote the Inferno?
It all came from Dante.
Every bit of it.
And people think it comes from the Bible.
There's no place in the Bible Where it says that that's the way it's going to be.
You know what they believe in the mysteries?
They believe that your soul is dead on this earth, buried in the material world, and your body is the coffin.
And then when you die, here on this earth, there's a rebirth of the soul.
Yeah, I'll start looking up in King James here what they got for Harold. It's pretty big actually.
Well, if you... Hell, actually, I don't know where the word Hell comes from, but the term used in the Bible is Hades, really.
Do you know what Hades is?
Yeah, well, I've heard a lot of people say that.
Actually, it says that right into the Hebrew words for the place.
Yeah.
Eshul, and the Greek word is Hades.
That's right.
And do you know what it is?
It was a canyon outside of Jerusalem.
Where the lepers lived and where they threw the dead bodies and the trash and the refuse from the city.
And there were fires burning there all the time to burn this trash and this refuse and this stuff.
It was a big junkyard.
It was a big trash place.
A grave.
Where they put everything after they were done with it, I guess.
Yep.
You got it.
Isn't it amazing?
People all their lives claim that they've read the Bible and they know what all of this stuff is and they really don't.
And that's a shame.
I'm not trying to make people feel dumb or anything else.
I'm just trying to, you know, get them realigned.
Get back on the right track, please.
Once I realize what was going on and start buying dictionaries and when somebody says something, you can start looking something up.
It's amazing how people really have no clue.
You're supposed to try to say something and that word has nothing to do with what they're
Yeah.
Or at least what they're trying to perceive it to talk about it.
You know, it has a totally different meaning.
When you look at stuff up, you just sit there and shake your head.
Who's in charge of this place, you know?
And that's one of the ways they fool us in the law, isn't it?
Yes.
Oh, yes.
Everything I've looked up, that's about the first thing I got was the black law.
You look up in there and it's just amazing.
There's nothing.
Nothing that we do seems to come close to being the truth at all.
Yeah.
Well, you know, this has been a nice call.
Yeah, so I guess we're getting closer to the end here.
Pretty close, yeah.
About a minute left.
Yeah.
Well, thank you.
All right.
Well, uh... And keep that dictionary with you.
I'm glad you've had a neat... I've got them all laying right next to here and usually I'm not up right now until I sleep and it takes off the dish and then later on I listen to it and I just sit there flipping through everything.
Biggest thing I've been doing for three years is checking you.
And what'd you find out?
He ain't messing a trick.
Well good.
That's what I want you to do.
And my father's been hollering for 68 years.
Something's wrong.
And he always knew.
And it's just amazing when you start looking this stuff up.
Because he usually gets people on stuff, you know.
If you take him down or he loses money, he's going after you, you know.
And you know, I get to look this stuff up. I stopped that a long time ago.
And whenever I look this stuff up, I just find out it's really right in front of ya.
So you've been listening to me and whatever I say, you've been running around and checking the documentation and
stuff to see if I've been...
Oh yeah. That's about all I've been doing. The other guys that work that know me, they're like, why was that Porter
Hill?
And my one friend told you I went and looked this stuff up.
That's what I do. That's what you told us to do.
That's exactly what I tell you.
Most people don't do it though.
Don't trust me.
They do like everybody else they do with.
They trust me to be telling them the truth and I could be telling them the biggest lies in the world just like, just like, uh, uh, Harry Clinton up there in the, in the lineup.
When you played yesterday, the other guy talking, all the other guy talking, if you check him, you know he's wrong.
I've been listening to you for three years.
Yeah.
He only did, that was amazing how he even said that and people would even attempt to believe it.
Well, you'd be surprised how many fools there are out there that will believe anything that they hear, especially if it fits their preconceived idea of what things are supposed to be.
I gotta run.
Okay, thank you.
Thanks for calling.
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