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July 6, 1997 - Bill Cooper
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Pete & Susie Dog #1
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on william cooper ladies and gentlemen if you love dogs
you're going to love the broadcast and tomorrow's broadcast because it's all about dogs
Protection dogs.
At our conference on Day 5, the entire morning was spent with Pete and Susie Sherlow, who are the owners of Apache Canine in the White Mountains.
And what they taught us, and what they demonstrated to us with their dogs, and my dog, Crusher, is that You may be a lot safer and a lot happier with a dog than with a pistol.
And you may be able to deter an awful lot of attempts to rob you or rob your property or to harm you or your family with a dog than you ever could with any other means.
Because just the presence of a well-trained The protection dog will deter most criminals.
They don't want to mess with that dog.
I'm talking about big dogs.
I'm talking about dogs that are well trained, that don't run out and bite people.
They won't bite unless they're told to bite, or unless there is an immediate threat to those that they have been trained to protect.
So listen carefully!
You might want to jot down this number.
It's Peter Sherlock's number.
You can either talk to Peter or his wife Susie.
520-521-5886.
That's 520-521-5886.
They're good people.
If you have a dog question, they might be able to help you.
to zero five two one five eight eight six good people you have a dog question they might
be able to help you if you're thinking about buying a family protection dog or a well-trained
attack dog you might want to talk to Peter or Susie Sherlock first.
It may save you a lot of heartache and grief.
And if you listen to this broadcast, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
Day 5, 9 AM.
Peter Sherlock.
Conference 97.
I'm kind of new to a lot of this stuff and I really want to thank you for the opportunity to participate in the convention.
I've never been around anything quite like this before.
What our specialty is, is that we believe in freedom.
Okay?
The freedom that I'm concerned about and that I'm really worried about is not the philosophical context of freedom, although that's really important.
My idea of freedom is to allow my wife to go to the grocery store without getting hassled by some thugs.
That's freedom.
I want freedom in my house, that my house is not going to be invaded by some dope-smoking thug, man, who thinks my TV is another kind of dope.
You know?
I just don't want that.
You know?
I want to be free to go where I want to go, to do what I want to do, and not bother anybody, but at the same time not be bothered.
And we found that a lot of people, myself included, I'm not real comfortable carrying a gun every place I go.
My wife is certainly not comfortable with that.
I mean, it weighs about two pounds, and it's kind of cumbersome, and you know, it makes the cops real nervous, too.
You know, so I don't want to look for trouble, but I don't want to be bothered.
That protection box, family protection box, right, is a great alternative to firearms and personal violence, you know.
A bad guy, the reason that bad guys, we found that the reason that bad guys are bad guys, right, is because they're lazy.
I mean, if they weren't lazy, they would go get a good job.
Go get an education, get a job, they wouldn't have to steal.
But you're lazy.
Right?
So, our idea, and it seems to work out so far, is that if you present certain problems to a bad guy, out of his own human nature of being lazy, man, he'll go someplace else.
Which, I can't stop him from doing that, but I'm darn sure interested in not having him deal with me.
Right?
So, I got a dog.
Now you want to deal with me on a viable level, you're going to have to deal with your dog.
And that's real obvious.
You know, even if the dog wasn't trained, if you're walking down the street with a German Shepherd or a Rottweiler or any large, any large dog, and there's a thug out there looking to make a few bucks, he's probably going to go pick somebody else.
He just doesn't want to be, you know, he's too lazy to deal with his dog, right?
And we count on that.
What we found is that a dog will deter eighty percent of any problems that might normally come your way.
That means twenty percent of the people, man, that will deal with a dog.
And the first 10% of those people, man, are people that just don't believe that you can train a dog to protect you.
And they'll check him out, and you give the dog a command, the dog goes to the end of the leash, barks a couple of times, barks a couple of times, and the bad guy runs down the street.
You know, sorry, Bobo.
You know.
You really can't understand, man, people under the influence of alcohol, which is a mind-altering drug, or narcotics.
Which also is a mind act.
It really affects your judgment.
And psychotics.
God knows, man, out here today we've got an awful lot of those people running around.
And so what he'll do is he'll go up against the dog.
After the dog is barking at them aggressively, they will continue on in the hopes that they can get past the dog, right?
At that point, you need a dog that's not just going to Nip at his leg and scoot back and forth.
You know what I mean?
Because that ain't gonna stop this guy.
Right?
You need what we call, in a professional term, what we call a man-stopper.
If you gotta put the dog on somebody, it's like shooting somebody.
If I'm gonna shoot a bad guy, a BB gun ain't gonna do me much good.
Right?
I want a .357 hollow point that's gonna knock him down and keep him down.
And that's the way I want the dog to be.
If I gotta put the dogs on somebody, I want to man-stop it.
I want to stop the aggression.
I want to change these guys' minds, and if I can, I want to rehabilitate them immediately.
They'll never do that kind of stuff again, right?
You know?
And these dogs do that.
There are certain types of dogs that are more prone for this kind of training than others.
There's Rottweilers that are excellent dogs, Dobermans, German Shepherds, there's some exotic breeds like Boudiers, which are big black curly looking things and they're just wonderful dogs, right?
And then there's fortified breeds that are really good boxers you can use, right?
But what you have to understand is that if someone, if a family is looking for a protection dog, even though he picks out a breed that will fit into his lifestyle, there's one, the National Irish is one in ten thousand dogs that will take to the training.
It's a lot, it's a lot like being an Airborne Ranger in the service, you know?
There's a lot of guys in the Army.
A few of them get to be Airborne, and a few of them get to be Airborne Ranger, and a few of them get to be Airborne Ranger Special Forces Qualifier.
And it's the same way with DOTS.
This DOT in that contest is an Airborne Ranger Special Forces Qualifier.
You should be sure of yourself.
One in 10,000 dogs with the right trainer and the right training methods will qualify.
They're hard, hard, hard to get over.
So, since this is the 4th day of July, and it's your hour, or two, or whatever hour of Augustine goes, what I figured that I would like to do is I would like to open up the floor to find out what it is that you folks would like to know about dogs in general, that I know, maybe, and training dogs, and stuff like that.
I need to know what you guys want to know.
So I feel that I could be helpful.
So what we're going to do is we're going to open the floor and just find out what it is you guys really want to know about Jesus.
If you have a protection dog, is it applicable to be used also for the extended family?
Grandma's, grandkids, and stuff like that?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
The study asked, if you have a protection dog, is it applicable to be used also for
the extended family, grandma's, grandkids, and stuff like that?
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
The dog works on commands.
The dog does not make adjustment calls.
you The dog does not decide when to attack and who to attack.
You decide that.
So if you're walking down the street with your grandchildren, and a poop can is outside the bushes on you, right?
You just tell the dog to attack.
And he does.
And your grandchildren are there, whatever.
If you train your grandchildren, your mother-in-law, or your grandmother, to handle this dog, what the commands are, when to use it, and stuff like that, the dog will work.
Uh, as well.
This is my personal dog, Paul, and he will work for you.
In fact, he will work for you against me.
Because the dog works out of command.
The dog doesn't, the dog doesn't love you, right?
But will just chew me to pieces if you tell him to, if you've got the leash.
And you know how to work this out.
The dog will bite me.
It's the same as a gun, right?
Gun doesn't care if it pulls the trigger.
It's the same way with a gun.
Absolutely.
That's part of the weeding out process.
There's a lot of dogs that bark.
There's a lot of dogs that have a bite.
You know, there's a lot of purebreds out there.
You know, right?
And so we tested on it extensively before we accepted it for training.
And one of the things that we look at is temperament.
And we will not, because it's not our sole vocation, we have the ability to be very, very, very, very careful
and juicy about the dogs that we train.
We turn more dogs away than we accept for training.
Simply because we have temperament problems, courage problems, or drive problems.
You know?
You could come to me with $10,000 and a mean dog, and say, train my dog, and I'll tell you no.
I don't need your money.
You know, because I know that if I train that dog and you got a bad temperament, sooner or later, man, is some kid going to get bit.
And I don't want to be responsible for that.
So I try to be a responsible dog trainer.
Is anybody thinking about buying a dog for personal protection?
Are you?
Do you know what kind of dog you want?
A shepherd?
Do you live in a rural environment or an urban environment?
Very urban.
What you need to think about is the environment that this specific dog is going to live in, right?
In choosing a free dog.
some dogs really really need a lot of exercise and rock water for instance. If a rock water
doesn't get to run and work and exercise he's going to get fat and lazy. It's a breed thing.
And God knows I've seen a thousand of them. Somebody says, well I've got rock water. I
said, jeez I feel that shit. And then you look at it and it's just a ton of guts. You
know what I mean. So when you're thinking about buying a dog look at your environment.
What dog will fit in a limited exercise environment?
You know?
And still do what you want him to do.
You know?
You need a low energy dog.
You know?
Like an Australian Shepherd, right?
Because the dog can't exercise and run and do all this stuff, what you're going to wind up with is a highly neurotic dog.
Because it just can't get out and do its thing.
Do his thing in the middle of the room.
You know what I mean?
And pretty sure he goes to the fountain.
What would you suggest?
Well, I would suggest... I would consider a pit bull.
You know?
For instance, that guy's a dirty word these days.
You know?
Because of irresponsible breeding.
Let me assure you that there's nothing wrong with pit bulls.
They're very friendly.
They're very good dogs.
They're a little dog aggressive, you know, but they don't require a lot of exercise.
And if you have a responsible breeder and not a puppy mill, somebody who's spitting
puppies out in it for bucks, cash crop, you know, if you have a responsible breeder and
get a good one, it's a wonderful dog.
They're wonderful dogs.
They don't need a whole lot of exercise, you know.
It's real nice to take them out to the park, and that's fine, you know.
But something like that, a smaller dog, that's really a low kind of energy dog, right?
I would get a Doberman, right?
I might consider a German Shepherd, but you know, if you're living in close quarters,
in an apartment or something, you know, it'd be kind of hard on the dog.
You kind of have to watch out for hip dysplasia with a German Shepherd, because the dog can't
exercise properly, you know, so it has a tendency for his hips to go down, even if you've got
a good one, right?
So get a small breed.
There's a lot of small breeds that have low energy, that have the courage required to
do what you want to do.
Basically, it seems to me that what you want to do is, you want to be able to go the safe
way, and it's just safe.
You know what I mean?
One of the things that really, really bothers me is that I'm 58 years old now, right?
I never really thought I'd get this old.
I didn't plan for it, you know what I mean?
But, you know, I'm too old to fight anymore, you know what I mean?
A couple of thugs jumped on me.
I ran out of gas real quick.
I used to think I was pretty good, but I'm getting too old for that anymore.
I'm really upset about the fact that you're women.
And older people in general have become addicted to this culture.
You know?
And we all know that the justice system just broke down.
I mean, it's just absolutely depressing.
Call a cop.
Why?
You want to find a cop to talk to?
You know, I don't care.
What are you talking about?
You know what I'm talking about?
It's like you've got to handle it yourself, you know.
You know what I mean?
You've got to handle it yourself.
And it really bothers me.
You know, I'm up for freedom, man.
You know, I've worked and paid my taxes and done my thing.
You know?
And I don't want to be restricted.
I don't want to go where I want to go.
I don't want to do what I want to do.
And I don't want to be bothered.
You know?
I just want to be at peace with myself and with my God and with my fellow man.
That's all I want.
You know?
I just want to live out the remainder of my life without a lot of nonsense going on.
And that's hard to do these days.
Any more questions?
Is it better to have a purebred dog, or say, for instance, if you went to this humane society and you picked up a dog and you let a man come in, is it harder to train the dog?
The lady asked if, if you went to a humane society and you got a dog, is it a harder job to train the dog?
Generally speaking, just as a general point of view, no, it's not harder to train the dog, right?
It's like going to a used car lot, you know, and buying somebody else's car.
There's nothing wrong with mixed-breeds.
Nothing.
Nothing wrong with mixed-breeds.
Some of the best dogs in the world are mixed-breeds.
You know, there's nothing wrong.
The reason that most of us choose what we call purebreds, right, is that they have certain characteristics that we try to mold to our own use.
With mixed-breed, You're not quite sure what you did.
You know what I mean?
What the characteristics are.
What the gene pool really is.
We depend heavily on a gene pool.
If the dog has aggressive genes, then we want to bring those out.
And if I don't know a dog's background, I don't know if it has aggressive genes, or submissive genes, or much of that.
I have to deal with... I've got what I see, and I'm not sure what I see.
But generally speaking, there's nothing wrong with Bigfoot dogs.
I was going to go over there, but you don't have to go to the top.
Okay?
The top house is a little bit, okay, nice and tall.
You don't have to go all the way back to it.
Just make sure it's kind of roomy.
I'll give you an example.
Okay, you go, and you see somebody in the middle of some house, okay?
And you go over there, and there's my house there, the one that's close to you.
Have you looked down at the straighters yet?
Uh, yes and no.
There could be several things going on, right?
I don't know, it could be that the puppet's angry.
Laughter It could be the puppet's just curious.
You know?
I mean, there's a lot of things going on.
You know?
The pup that comes closest to you, when you're looking at pups, generally speaking, has a certain amount of courage because you're a stranger to them.
That's a plus.
A pup that sees you and runs to the backyard, you certainly don't want him.
There's a lot of theories about chasing pups, right?
And there's all kinds of puppy tests that you can give a puppy to try to take the puppy.
But I've been doing this for 35 years, and my experience tells me that for the most part, it's scratching.
You know, puppies change so dramatically from day to day, from week to week, that you can have what you consider a really aggressive pup this week, and next week is incredibly shy.
You know, I mean, so what's really required here, when you get a pup, is the infant process.
You know, if you know that the dog's genetic lineage is one of a working family of dogs, right?
Then what you try to do is you try to incite that in a dog, in a puppy.
And that's called imprinting.
Like, for instance, right?
Most people get a puppy, and they're petting the puppy, they're playing with the puppy, and the puppy bites them, right?
You know what they do?
No.
We're putting down the dog.
So that's not cool.
Don't bite.
Right?
So then they bring the dog to you a year later and say, I want my dog to be trained as a protection dog.
The dog won't bite.
Why?
Because it's been imprinted not to do that.
So you can't do that.
So when you go to buy a protection dog, man, you need to buy it from somebody who understands about imprinting.
How to take a dog and let him know that it's okay to bite.
To encourage that.
Dogs react to stress in two ways.
Puppies.
And they learned this at a very early age.
One is submission.
You put stress on a puppy and he's gonna run away, he's gonna go into avoidance.
The stress stops.
He's learned something.
He's learned that if he becomes submissive, the stress goes away.
All the dog is interested in doing is relieving the stress.
Does not care how it does it.
If you allow that to happen, if you allow a dog, a puppy, to release stress through avoidance, that dog will always do that for the rest of its life.
Anytime you put stress on a dog, the dog will go into avoidance.
If you take a dog and put stress on a puppy, and put stress on it, and it goes into avoidance, and you continue to add to stress, The dog will turn around immediately, even as a puppy.
We'll see that whatever he's doing ain't working.
And we'll turn around and go, ah, just a little bit, ah.
At that point, you run away.
You release the stress.
The dog has learned an incredible thing.
That it's to release stress through aggression.
And then you work on that.
You build that.
That's called inquiry.
Does that help you at all?
About 20 minutes after they come out of the oven.
What temperature?
She said it's starting to cool off a little bit.
We work with our dogs, right?
What temperature?
She's just starting to cool off a little bit.
We work with our dogs, right?
As they come out of the oven, we're right there.
And we begin the first phase of imprinting that recognizes my smell.
And I'm going to put a little bit of this on her.
Now when a puppy's born, it can't see, it doesn't hear very well, right?
But its nose is working overtime, you know?
And so what we try to do, we try to intermingle human sense With the mother's scent, so that the doctor can relate to us, feel safe with us, with people.
If you let a bitch have puppies, and don't go near the puppies until they're eight weeks, and you finally show up and want to handle one of the puppies, puppies are just going nuts, man.
You know, I mean, just scary.
Right?
But if you imprint that, if you imprint your very first experiences with your smell and
calmness, and you just kind of hold them and touch them, and just be real, real, real gentle
and nurturing with them, then they'll intermingle and be able to be social right away.
There's no such thing as teaching an old dog nutrition.
That's an old wives joke.
You can habituate a dog, I don't know if I pronounced that right, but you can get a dog
that's ten years old and change his whole pattern of life.
Bye!
By putting in your environment.
The dog will adapt to your environment.
You know, you might not be able to get him to climb a tree or bite somebody or something, but he will adapt to your environment.
No matter how old he is.
Which means that, you know, you can't get a dog from town, and he will be adaptable to your environment, but he might not work.
You know?
But don't feel this.
Dogs operate from tack-lock.
Here, survival depends on a cat.
A dog is not an individual entity.
It's not a solo entity.
It's not like a rover.
A dog, a dog needs other dogs.
And it's pack-oriented.
And for its own survival, a dog has to adapt to the demands of the pack.
Whatever they are.
And that's why a dog will go to any length to please you.
It's not necessarily wanting to please you, right?
But it wants to please the alpha, the alpha dog in the pack.
And hopefully that's you.
You know?
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Doctrine is capable of love.
They don't have that ability.
What really happens is that, I know people just go nuts when they do, or my poops and love streams.
That's your interpretation of it.
I'm glad you're happy with it, but that's not really what's going on.
A dog will come up and lick you in the face.
How many of you have been licked in the face by a dog?
You think they got the affection?
The dog's trying to get me to throw up so it can eat.
That's exactly what it's doing.
You watch the wolf now.
Watch the Wolfpack.
Journey of Dance with Drew Bradford sometime, man.
Watch the Wolfpack, right?
Pick up the mother cat back from a hunting trip, right?
And she comes into the kennel, all the puppies came out, and they all greet her, and they're going like that, and they're licking her in the face.
And that's, the dog learns immediately, instinctually, that when you're licking that dog in the face, man, you stimulate regurgitation.
And the dog shows up, and the puppies get lunch.
That's what's going on.
That dog don't love you.
You know, you don't even taste good.
I'm sorry, I agree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What we like to do with protection guys is, most people, this has been our experience,
that most people have never been around a protection dog at all.
You know, the closest they've been around a protection dog is some monster in a movie, man, that's got $6,000 in insurance and they think, oh my god, you know, there's another thing I want in my hand.
Or they walk past a police car one day And the German camera guy goes, but that's, you know what I
mean?
It's just a scary guy, everybody.
And they think, oh God, that's a protection dog.
That's not a protection dog, man.
That's a police dog.
And what you see in the movies about dogs, man, is generally, generally nonsense.
Thank you, Walt Disney.
But it's mostly nonsense.
And it's got no basis in fact at all.
What we like to do is we like to familiarize people with the real, honest to God, protection dogs.
And this one here is probably the best protection dog in the state of Arizona.
of Godhead.
He's temperament is fine.
Little children come up, stick their fingers up his nose, you know, bite his ears, man.
Brawl all over him, man.
You know what I mean?
A youth come up and approach me, and talk to me, and interact with me on any level.
He can come over to my house anytime, you know, and this is what you got.
You see, you've got to take care of them as a concept.
You know what I mean?
It's just a, you know, it seems cool.
Just start super aware, okay?
If somebody from the audience approached me in an aggressive manner, just stop immediately alert.
Immediately.
If somebody's in my home, if I invite, uh, uh, a sewing machine salesman into my house, right, and he's sitting on my couch, and all of a sudden he turns out to be a burglar and a rapist or something, you know what I mean?
And, and, and, and he... ...bites you, right?
But, but he'll immediately...
Come right into you and just bark real aggressive and then I take charge as the handler.
And I say, don't move or your dog will bite you.
And if you do move, guess what?
You're gonna get bit.
You know?
And what I'll do is I'll make you raise your hands and I'll search you in case you got a gun or a knife or a bomb or something.
I'll search you and I'll tell you, stand still.
I'm gonna go call the police.
And if you move while I'm gone, this dog's gonna take you down.
And if I ain't here to calm down, you're in a lot of trouble.
You're in a lot of trouble.
You don't really need the police coming, man.
You need a meat wagon at that point.
You know what I mean?
God forbid that you should ever have to put a dog on somebody.
God forbid, man.
That's like sticking your hand in a meat grinder, man.
My dogs are guaranteed, absolutely guaranteed, to deliver 100 stitches a minute.
That's what I call rebuildition.
You don't need, you know, we all know if the justice system is broke down, you don't need
the justice system to win these fights, man.
You will absolutely, I guarantee you, rehabilitate somebody.
Whoever intrudes in your home or tries to intrude in your personal life.
You'll absolutely be rehabilitated.
You don't need to spend $100,000 keeping a prisoner for 20 years.
You know, that's ridiculous, right?
He will never ever, ever do that again.
You know, we'll be here for the next year or so.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
These guys are trained, my guy has, I'm just going to throw this number down.
These are not accurate numbers, you know.
But let's just say that the dog delivers a thousand pounds of pressure per square inch.
Nasty, right?
What we do is we build on that.
We have a toy that's called a Kong, which is a hard rubber ball.
That's what he does, and he does that for years.
So when my God bites you, the first thing that's going to happen is you're going to
have a broken arm if he bites you on your arm.
He's going to bite you on the forearm and he's going to snap the bones, shever the muscles.
And the only thing that's going to happen to you to keep your arm in place is the tendons.
The two tendons going to go down your arm.
And he's probably going to try to pull that mouth out of your shoulder.
So I don't know what you started to do, but I...
Where your head was at when you started.
But I can guarantee you, man, it ain't gonna be the same place from the finish.
I don't know.
You know?
And that's the kind of damage, that's the kind of damage that these dogs do.
These are not toys.
They double as a pet, as a companion, but they are not toys.
They are tools.
Different word.
Different word.
You know?
And they're used for specific purposes.
This dog doubles as a pet.
He's about a half-ass friend of mine.
You know?
But he's more interested in work than he is anything.
You know what I mean?
And that's the way it is.
It's a lot like a gun, man.
A lot like a gun.
What we'd like to do is, we'd like to present this owning of protection dog, right?
To the victims of the world who are women.
And for that, I'd like to turn this microphone over to my wife and let you know what Connection Doc has done for her in her life.
Suzie?
Hi everybody, and the supporters out there with me.
I was watching Oprah run for the other day and somebody within she belonged from a came from a dysfunctional family and Oprah said doesn't everybody and uh I came from one of those families like most of us and I was taking up excuse me um and so I was kind of raised as a professional victim And anytime I perceived anything as violence, I would just freeze.
So when I fell in love with this old cowboy about six years ago, he said, we're going to buy a protection dog.
And we went and bought Hulk when he was two years old.
And he looked at me with this really loving look in his eye and he said, this dog is going to save your life.
And what I thought he meant was that we had some land that we had bought to start a recovery center down on the border of Mexico and Arizona and there was some cocaine traffic going through there and I thought that's what he meant and that was true.
A couple of times people would drive up on our property, very close, and look very suspicious and they'd just see the dog and they would drive off.
So I think a lot of violence is alleviated just by having the presence of a large dog like this is obviously trained.
But what really happened for a personal experience for me about this dog changing my life is that I had to learn how to handle this dog.
And this is a lot of dog.
And this is the first dog that I obedience trained and handled as Pete agitated for the dog.
The first time that I was holding a dog and he bit the agitator and I had to give the commands, I got so scared that my throat just shut.
And they were yelling, the command for release from the perpetrator is out.
And I was trying to say out, and nothing would come out of my throat.
So that's where I was coming from when I started this.
And they were all looking at me like, do something.
And I said out, and nothing happened.
And so we went home that day, and it's summer, and all the windows in the house were open where we were living.
And he said, we're going to learn how to take charge and how you can learn how to speak like an army sergeant.
And he said, I want you to count to 10 like you're in the militia.
And I said, one, two, three, four, five.
And he made me stand there until finally that little kid, like a lot of us have experienced as kids,
who was a little kid, I just closed the closet door and said, I don't want to play.
Thank you very much.
And finally out it came, where I could say, one, two, three.
And I couldn't believe it.
It was like a release for me of understanding there was a person inside of me that really was not a victim.
After learning how to handle these gods, We were living in Tucson for a while and there were speakings in the shopping centers hanging out and I'd walked by them before and I would just shrivel in the court.
They'd stamp the victim in me and they would whistle and make uncouth comments and I felt like I was getting undressed with their eyes and I just hated it.
And after training these dogs, when I walk in front of a group of men like that now, I just give them a look like, don't you even think about messing with me.
And they don't.
They look at me like, woo.
They can just tell.
So, this has been a transforming experience for me, not only feeling safe because I can go anywhere with these dogs, but because it transformed me as a woman.
It really changed my life.
I trained Casey from the very beginning.
We bought her at 8 weeks, and this is the first dog that I obedience trained.
The advantage of having a female dog for me, and maybe some of you women will relate, is that she just doesn't have the bulk.
She weighs about 80 pounds, Hulk's about 120.
It's a lot easier to handle.
For me to handle Hulk, I can do it, but I have to really work at it, because he's just, he's what is called an alpha dog.
An alpha dog is a dog that, if he was at the head of a pack of dogs pulling his sled, he would kill the other dogs to get to the top, to the front of the line.
That's just, they come out of the oven like that.
That's just an alpha dog.
There's alpha personalities, the same way we all know.
So, it's very important, it was important for me, and it's important with the people, especially the women that we work with, that I can demonstrate to the dogs that a woman can handle these dogs because it's really fun.
And also, to match the right dog, sometimes a female dog, is my point, is really an excellent dog for a woman, just because she has less mass.
There's no question in my mind that Casey would defend me as well as this big dog.
The UPS drivers at our driveway are more concerned about this one because she just loves to work because genetically that's what she's trained for centuries to do.
And so is she.
But Casey's just real serious about her.
We'll get to see how that works.
Female dogs are more sensitive just like female women.
Emotional.
We are more emotional than men.
And when she When you go to train a female dog, it's touchy business.
You've got to have a professional trainer that really knows what they're doing, because if you over-correct a female, they'll just fold, and they won't come back.
With a male dog, you can put more pressure on.
That's why most hard dogs are used for canines, is our males.
For that reason, they're just easier to train, and they're harder.
So, after we train a pup, and first we work with obedience so that they're safe and in control, my concern was I just didn't want to have a mean dog on the property.
These dogs will not bite unless they're told, with one exception.
With female, men also, but especially females, if someone jumps out of a bush at me when I'm walking the dogs, Most likely, even with all this rain that I have, it's a physiological reaction to the fear that my body will be flooded with adrenaline.
And I may or may not be able to give a command.
That's why most rapes happen with women, because they just freeze, can't even yell, can't even think, because it's a biological flooding of adrenaline.
At the end of training, after all the control is put in and the obedience is taught to bite and to ouch, which is to release, then we do scenario training.
So we can train a dog specifically for the family.
So if you want the dog boundary trained, so no one can come in your yard, we can do that.
There's a thing called guardian training.
If there's a small child that might be at risk from some perpetrator, we can train a dog to stay between the perpetrator and the child at whatever radius you so choose.
So you choose 50, 20 feet, the dog will protect the child and if the perpetrator comes over that line, the dog will automatically bite.
We can car train a dog.
We don't do that with ours because We never underestimate the human power of human stupidity.
People have stuck their babies right in front of Hulk's face and said, look at this beautiful dog.
So we have not car trained our dogs because the risk of people's stupidity scares us so much.
By that I mean if someone tried to break into our car, they would bite.
So we have not trained them to do that.
We do scenario training, such as out in the field, wherever you would be, or your workplace, or your house, where after we're finished with training the dog, we'll come to your house, rattle the doors, and run away, telling you ahead of time, obviously, that we're coming, if you want the dog trained for that.
So, it's exciting to specifically train a dog for your family's specific needs.
The main difference that's important to me between These dogs and the canine cop dog is the control.
I want this dog to go into a kindergarten classroom with me and be able to lick every child's face and be absolutely sure that even if the kid moves fast, nothing's going to happen.
And I've done that with Casey.
Up here we have a fall festival and we demonstrate the dogs and the first thing we do is walk right along the edge of the people and all the little kids get their faces washed and everybody pets the dogs.
Then we walk out into the middle of the field and it's absolutely astounding because then they turn into a man stopper.
So it's really exciting.
One thing that Pete started to touch on that I think is really fun and interesting to talk about just briefly is about choosing a puppy.
As Pete was saying, this is just a general feel.
In about eight weeks, you can take and you can sit in the middle of a litter of pups and you can do several things.
You can drop or bang a pot together and make a loud, sharp noise.
Some puppies will flee and some will just kind of look at you like, what was that?
That was kind of a different sound.
That's to test for courage.
Such ability, like you mentioned, to see if a dog actually will come up.
There's what's called a pinch test.
You can pinch the dog on the flank until he yelps and see if he's forgiving because you can't train a dog if he can't be corrected.
If you want a dog for protection in gunfire, pups can be tested even when they're that small under gunfire.
And this is just fascinating to me because genetically, if one dog in a whole litter is gun-shy, The other ones might be too.
So you never want to take a puff for protection if you think that might ever be in a situation with gunfire, which certainly could be if you're using it these days.
Um, let's see.
Oh, and fray drive is really important.
The way we train our dogs is all in fray drive, which is chase a rabbit or if you take a towel for a little puck and wiggle it on the floor so it doesn't hurt their necks.
Um, the puppies have to be able to chase that or you can't train them because we train our dogs totally in fray drive.
They think this is fun.
The perpetrator doesn't know now, but they think this is the biggest game.
When we go outside, You'll hear Hulk start to cry when he sees the flames come out, because this is his most favorite thing in the whole world to do.
He just loves to work.
And so, if you're choosing a puppy, that might be helpful if you take him for a walk out in the field and the dog walks ahead and comes back and checks on you.
That means he's probably very human-oriented.
That's an excellent sign.
If you want a double dog as a retriever, say a lab that would be a protection dog and a retriever, you can throw a ball.
If they bring it back, most labs will do that.
One more for Jeremy.
Thank you for puppy training.
Puppy.
It's a fascinating business and each puppy is as individual as your kids.
They're all a little different.
If you take a dog that has been bred for centuries, like Rottweilers were used in the Roman times as war dogs, and if you have a dog like that and don't have a take charge personality, where you can be the alpha person in that pack, The dogs will walk right over you, and you'll have an unsafe dog.
So choosing a dog is just absolutely critical to get the right dog for the right people.
Anything else you want to talk about?
Nope.
You want to take over?
Yeah.
So is there any questions?
No questions.
Oh, okay.
I just want to tell you guys from my standpoint of being an attorney and working in a suburban
environment, a lot of games we have involve laws that are not in place.
Absolutely.
And if you're in urban settings and it's not in place, you'll take laws.
You're talking about a landscape that's your house.
So you have to be careful.
If this is played properly, though, you can stress that.
It's an absolute offense.
But if you're locked in a place, locked in, the dog howls out the front door, howls it
up, and you're trying to drive away, you're in big trouble.
I see the law as necessary as it is a good.
So a dog is like a weapon.
And I've seen a good guy do good.
If it's not trained properly, it can be a real dangerous thing.
It's like a loaded pistol sitting on a counter to your family.
So, the government is...
Yeah.
The Supreme Court of the United States has declared in a ruling that the use of a train
protection dog is an alternative to deadly force.
The same rules apply to using a dog, deploying a dog, as deploying a pistol.
If somebody comes at you and tweaks your nose and turns around and runs away, legally you cannot send a dog after them.
You could be sued.
Right?
A dog is used as a deterrent.
That's the theory of it.
Once the aggression is deterred, the dog has to be called back.
You cannot chase a perpetrator with a dog.
Legally.
Legally.
So it doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
If I walk up to you and slap you upside the head and turn you wild, right?
And caught you off guard, you had a dog, and I was running away, right?
And you sent your dog after me, right?
When the cops got there, right?
You'd be working for me.
I would be in jail.
This is really true.
I would be in jail for stealing your money.
Ha!
Right?
And I would have a judgment, like a million dollar judgment against you.
Right?
I'd be getting rich.
Ha!
In jail.
But there's another side to that, folks.
I can tell you from experience that with these dogs, you're not going to tick my nose.
And I don't have to give the dog the command.
If he sees you go like that toward my face or Amy's face or one of our children's face, Crusher's going to eat you.
And Hulk would too.
So, it's not a question of sending the dog after the guy when he's running away.
He's never going to get that far.
He's not going to get that far.
Yeah.
Most peace officers, you know, are pretty reasonable.
You know, they understand that you're working for a broke system.
You know, they understand that.
I mean, they see that every day.
You know, right?
And a couple of thugs confront you, and your dog Well, they need to run a lot, you know?
I mean, a lot, right?
you say, yeah, okay, you know, right. That's cool.
Right.
Question, you were saying that rockwell is doing a lot of exercise. What about the German
Shepard? How much exercise do you need?
Well, they need to run a lot, you know, I mean a lot, right.
You cannot have a German Shepard, lock him up in a, in a, in an apartment and let
him exist. What's going to happen is you're going to create hip problems, you know, skeletal
problems, muscle problems, you know. The dog needs exercise. You got, you got to
exercise the dog, right. A lot of people buy dogs for protection and then just kind of
shine them up, you know. Dogs in the house, they feed it, they pat it's head, they turn
on the TV.
You know?
One of the things, man, that I've noticed through the years is that as a people, as Americans, man, we have some really strange attitudes about dogs, man.
We have a tendency to treat our dogs like children.
And we have a tendency to treat our children like dogs.
You know, somewhere along the line, man, we got all screwed up there, you know?
And, you know, a dog, it has to be exercised properly, you know?
It's the same way with a kid.
You wouldn't take a kid and lock him up in an apartment and keep him there, you know what I mean?
You gotta really run him out, you know, really run him, you know, and really exercise him.
It's a lot of responsibility.
It's a pain in the butt, man, to come home at night and then work with your dog.
You know, jeez, I worked all day at the machine shop, and, you know, I come home, and my lady's cranky, man, and the kids ain't doing well at school, man.
I got to work with this damn dog, man.
I don't want to.
You know?
And that's the way it is.
And that's the way it is.
Yes?
Q. Mr. Chairman, I thought you said you were going to get rid of the NRA.
A dog generally puts a real damper on domestic violence.
I probably agree with her.
A dog generally puts a real damper on domestic violence.
If you're prone to kick your old lady in the butt, don't get one of these dogs.
She's not a good idea.
I had a guy come into my house one time, you know, we work with alcoholics a lot.
And we have a specialty in that field, is that we like to work with acute crime.
Alcohol Snatch.
There are people that just can't seem to get it no matter what.
Some of these guys think they're really tough.
It's because you guys have been down the street for several years.
They might have been in prison and somebody one time or another told them you're a tough guy and they believed it.
They've been acting that way ever since.
We had a guy at our house one time that we were working with and he decided to get tough.
You know?
And you guys seem to suck, dude.
I hit the guy, you know, because he got a little rude.
I hit him, and he fell back into the overset chair, and my dog just sat up on the chair and just looked around and went around.
One of the things the guy found out, I don't think he found out much about staying sober, but he found out he wasn't tough.
I don't know if that was helpful to him or not.
Uh, what we'd like to do is we'd like to go outside.
Does anybody have any more questions?
Yeah, that was a near-death experience.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Who?
Oh!
Um, three people decided to go around the door, grab my hand, and say, go back and check on the house.
But I'm wondering about it, it's all conversation, but also, I'm too reliant to take care of me.
Yes, there are jobs like that.
What are they called?
They're called handy docs.
There's several organizations that deal explicitly in those docs that will answer the phone, open the door, get your stuff out of the refrigerator, just do amazing stuff.
Just absolutely amazing stuff, you know?
Uh, to serve whatever needs that you might have, you know?
And at the same time, be protective.
At the same time.
Dual purpose.
It's a lot like having a protection dog that sniffs drugs.
You know, they're dual purpose dogs.
Uh, it's probably a really exceptional dog to be able to do that.
But yeah, that is available.
That's certainly available.
How many carloads of dog food do you buy a week?
A lot, man.
A lot.
I had to call up the dog food down there and say, you're breaking my back, man.
And they sent me some certificates, man, for discounts, man.
Yes?
You heard him say, it's a silent mess, good idea to have electronics.
No.
And what does that do?
Does it matter?
It's more of a rural tune than it is anything.
You know, mostly it's for people who Aesthetically, you don't want a fence, number one.
Or two, financially, you can't afford a fence.
You know?
It works really well in an urban setting.
It's not real good.
It's not real good.
I mean, it works real good in a rural setting.
It's not real good in the city at all.
It ain't.
It's just, you know, don't work.
The fence won't hold my dog.
That you've all discovered.
You know, these dogs, man, got such high drive that in a city where they're getting stressed a lot by a lot of people being around, you know, they'll go right through that barrier.
That's not a really strong term for a dog.
I don't think.
I bought one and gave it away.
You know what I mean?
I don't know about you.
I don't think so at all.
I didn't want to get into any problems, but what I found was a lot of problems.
Girlfriendly means that if somebody else is watching, even if they're not meaning the opposite or so effective, I want to tell them that girlfriendly means you're awesome to everybody you shoot, but it doesn't mean you should try anything if it's not what you want.
Yeah.
Yeah, sure, I understand.
I mean, you can.
Yeah.
Well, that's it for today, folks.
We'll continue with this same program tomorrow, and you'll hear the end of the lecture portion, and then you'll hear the outside The demonstration, the actual demonstration of the use of the dogs, that was incredible.
You won't be able to see it on the radio, but you'll be able to hear enough to amaze you, I think.
And I may even describe what's happening for you in the portions where you need to see but can't.
If you need to contact Peter or Susie Sherlaw about obtaining a dog, and folks, they just retired from that business, so they're not selling dogs.
I don't know if you can entice them to train your dog, but they can give you advice.
Their number is 520-521-5886.
That's 520-521-5886.
520-521-5886. That's 520-521-5886. That's Peter and Susie Sherlaw. Spelled S-H-I-R-L-A-W.
They're great people.
They trained our dog, and our dog gives us the greatest sense of security that we have ever known.
And as you all know, we've received some pretty terrible threats because of what I do.
And this is the first time in my life that I've been able to go to bed without taking my 45 automatic with me.
We are just, you know, we have no fear while that dog is here.
But if you were to visit, I guarantee you might, under the wrong circumstances.
So, that's it for tonight.
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