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July 5, 1997 - Bill Cooper
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Ron Howell, Apollo Moonshots
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It's over. It is over. The children are dead. The children are dead.
It's over. It's over.
I'm William Cooper.
Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, we take you to our conference 97.
Fourth day, Thursday.
Ron Howell.
Pay attention.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time. I'm William Cooper. Ladies and gentlemen,
without further ado, we take you to our conference, 97, fourth day, Thursday. Ron Howell. Pay
attention. You're going to love it. Everybody who attended thought this was one of the best
lectures they heard.
It will open your eyes, it will challenge your intellect, it will cause you to ask a
lot of questions of people that you always believed blindly before, and it'll make you
laugh.
So I think it's a good opportunity to get out of the way of the world and to get out
That was a lot of fun with Jeff on the radios.
And I bet you there was a lot of people out there that really enjoyed that.
What you're going to hear now is going to be extremely interesting.
You've heard me talk about the Apollo moon shots and the Apollo mission and the Apollo
program and all that kind of stuff on many broadcasts.
And you've seen all of the NASA footage of that and the special programming on TV of
the Apollo program.
And the next speaker has done a lot of research on this and put together the results of what
he's discovered and he's going to share that with us for the next two hours.
He's also a good friend and a major contributor to our effort.
This microphone up here is one that he gave us that we could travel with.
It has incredible quality because we can't travel with the two other microphones that
he gave us because they're so fragile and they were made back in the 20s.
Uh, and they're the best microphones ever made.
You can't duplicate it with solid-state technology.
And that's what makes the Hour of Time sound so great.
So, uh, his name's Ron Howell.
He's standing right here.
And he's put together the results of his research into the Apollo program and the Apollo moonshots.
And he's going to give you the results of that over the next few hours.
I think you're going to find it extremely interesting.
Regardless of what you may believe about what happened, you're going to find what he's going
to tell you interesting.
So pay attention.
Take notes.
And I don't know if he's going to take questions, but if he does, please hold your questions
questions until the end of this presentation so that he can get all the way through it.
And if you poke holes in this, that's fine.
I happen to, I pretty much think I know what he's going to say, and I think I pretty much
agree with him.
But, Mr. Ron Howell.
Thank you very much.
Well, with a nice introduction like that, I don't want to fall flat on my face, so let's
get to it here.
I'm going to start with a little bit of a story.
I'm going to start with a little bit of a story.
This outline of my presentation is called, Dear National School of America.
Now, I have to tell you, you don't have to You don't have to believe what I say.
If I were to tell you that we didn't go to the moon, I wouldn't expect you to believe it, but you know that.
You deal with intelligence every day, and you know you have to treat it as such, as evidence.
You have to handle it for what it is.
If you agree with it or not, that comes later.
Even if I were to tell you that I went to the moon myself, You couldn't accept that.
You'd have to look at it as second-hand information, wouldn't you?
Okay, now, we are going to discuss facts, and we want to get to the truth, because I appreciate truth.
Everything that deals with freedom, you know, has everything to do with truth.
Now, let me see here.
I'm just going by my little outline.
Okay, this is an experience I had.
When I was in high school, I can remember if all the projects were going on, because I was a senior in 69, and I remember seeing the footage.
And my feeling at the time, you know, I was a sheeple.
I was young, and I was young and impressionable.
And I saw all these moon astronauts, I knew, see, when you're in the vacuum of space, you know that death is right outside of you.
Right outside of your suit is a pure, hard vacuum.
When pilots are inside of an airplane, you know, they're in a pressurized cockpit.
Besides being in a pressure suit, so being outside of a capsule, being on the moon, I knew at that time that it was very dangerous.
My impression was that these men were very They were joyful, they were happy, they were jumping around, right?
And I thought, my thought was that these men must be awfully brave, knowing that they may die any minute, that they're going through, I mean, that they're entertaining these thoughts and they figure, what the heck, we're going to live this up while we do it.
I was thinking that, or it could be that it was fake.
And I kind of, I thought it was just too dangerous to be acting that way.
And you know, I brought this up in school, and the teachers, the kids, you know, they put that down.
So I let it go for a long time, but I always had it in the back of my mind.
Then about the time when I was getting older, I knew there was trouble in the country.
I acquired a short wave stat.
I instinctively knew that shortwave would be what I'd want to look for.
I mean, I'd want to search the dial.
I thought, should I say the truth?
You know, I thought I'd be hearing information from outside of the country.
I never thought it'd be coming from within.
And when I heard, you know, all these shows, I was like, ooh, I'm knocked out.
And then, you know, nine o'clock Pacific time, you know, that old siren is I know, I'm not used to this, so I've got to get used to laughing at myself.
It's not a problem, I'm just getting used to it here.
So, listening to the show, I remember one episode where he was talking about the astronauts on the moon in 1-6 gravity.
And seeing that show, it was like, hey, I was thinking this a long time ago, and here he's talking about it.
I felt somewhat empowered that my thoughts weren't so off-base.
Listening to his program, and shortly after that, maybe a year or two, he came out with
this book, Napa Moved America, by a man named Rene.
I still don't know if that's his real name or his last name or what.
I obtained his phone number before I was able to do this, but I haven't been able to talk
So, a lot of my material will kind of be based on this.
And I know a lot of you people out there have it already, because in my short acquaintance with you, many of you have it.
But I don't plan to do a book report on this.
When I obtained this book, it was It was so enlightening, it inspired me to hit the books myself and see if I could back it up, see if I could throw holes in it, substantiate it.
It was something that just made me really want to study.
So that's what I've been doing.
Also, I've got this other publication, this book he published called The Last Skeptic of Science.
The book nymphs are trying to stop, and it's kind of a collage of different papers that are associated with subjects like this and other things we'll be referring to.
So, let me just look at my list here.
I've got so many things to talk about, I had to write in an outline to get it.
I'm being just a little nervous, it's hard to read it.
Okay, when I was doing research, you know, I went to the old popular science.
Has anyone ever seen one of these, or seen the popular science?
Okay, well, I've seen it.
I've seen it a lot.
In fact, I've seen it on TV shows.
I remember one episode of Heart to Heart, and it was right there in the library.
I remember saying, yeah, that's the one I've got.
So I, I checked it out, and I found a, and I found this there at a slot meet.
Because the second my father bought me, years ago, was a worn and tattered.
When I was a kid, I read all these books.
I was always interested in how things worked.
So, I saw this badass swap meet and I bought it for $10.
Brand new, sealed and everything.
So if I can tell you here, okay, one of the things with the moon,
I wanted to get some information on the moon, because many people take the moon for granted.
We have ideas about it, but as you'll see when I show you these demonstrations, you'll be knocked out, because it has nothing to do with what you think.
Now, you can find the distance from the Earth to the moon, of course, I mean, in his volumes.
But I just want to take a chance and see if anyone has an idea or how many people in general have an idea how far it is to the moon.
Any thoughts?
249,000.
Okay, well, see, I was afraid of that.
These people are really... Well, okay, let's go to the next step.
Do you know how they found out how far away it is?
Well, amateur radio did it by radar, I think, the first time.
Okay, years ago, before radio, how do you suppose they did it?
They knew how far the moon was away, way back when they built pyramids.
Now, here, think about that.
How did they do it?
I'll show you.
I wish I had a big blackboard here because it's a big crutch.
I don't have to fool with things.
But generally, the Earth is over here, and the Moon here.
Okay, well, how do they determine how far away this Moon is from the Earth?
Because they first, they know two locations on the Earth.
The distance, not the circumference, but the distance through.
Oh, that's a strong shot here.
Okay, the distance through the earth, from this point to here.
See, they figure that distance.
And then to the moon here, you have a triangle.
So if they know the distance from here to here, and they measure these angles, they can determine the distance from here to there, through the middle.
Right, okay.
And, of course, the reverse works too.
If you want to know the diameter of the moon, what you do is you know your distance, Then you calculate points where the angle is, and that would tell you... From this part of the earth, you would measure a triangle this way.
And then, of course, you know the angle of the triangle on this side, and that tells you the diameter there.
So, is that clear?
We understand?
Okay, so the diameter of the moon is 2,116 miles.
The diameter of the earth is 7,927 miles.
Okay, now those facts are in this book, and they're there for all of us to read.
Okay, now the question is, using these pieces here, how far The softball is roughly the size of the moon.
How far away in your mind's eye are we from this Earth?
Let me get... I especially got this globe here for this demonstration.
I like it because I can take it out of there.
It was nice to have one here, but it spins and makes it awkward, so...
Imagine now, we're out in space.
Here's your Earth, and here's your moon.
Now, I'm going to ask a couple of you out there, how far do you think it is?
Okay, we've got a smarty here.
I have any phone out in here.
I don't know if I...
I don't know if I...
Hey guys.
He said 20...
25 times what?
So, two thousand to two hundred and fifty thousand is roughly a hundred and twenty-five
times.
Well, your idea of finding it is right, but I think it's wrong, because what you do is
you divide seven thousand nine hundred twenty-seven into two hundred and thirty-nine thousand.
So just taking an average, that goes 30 times.
So let me offer you a clue.
elliptical orbit, so just taking an average that goes 30 times.
So, let me just offer you a moment.
You go out there and you hold that.
Okay, do you see that?
Wow, perfect.
Now, there's a way that I can prove this.
If I had a long pole, and I went to that baseball, and I was strong enough to hold it, and if the moon was in this vicinity, you hold that baseball up to that moon, and it's going to be the same size as the moon.
So it shows that the scale is correct.
Is that understood?
Okay, now this is...
Mind war.
OK, now this is a fact.
If they really went to the moon, this is what they would have had to do.
See, it's either one of two things.
It's a great accomplishment, because imagine, that moon isn't stationary.
That's a moving target.
And you have your... I'm not telling you how far off this is yet, but it's coming off this globe, hitting a moving target.
And it has to hit that target at right angles, precisely to go around it.
Because if you miss it, there's no second chance.
It's just gone, right?
Is that agreeable?
Okay, you can bring that moon back.
Thank you very much.
Okay, now we know what they claim to have done.
What are they doing today?
We know about the shuttle project.
We know about huge satellites in orbit and things like that.
Okay, does anyone know now how high the shuttle usually flies?
I know you're sharp out there.
What is it?
Now, it's a little more than that.
It's 300 miles.
300 miles, they say.
And we don't know, and they say that.
Okay, where do you suppose 300 miles off of this?
This shouldn't take too long to think of it.
Right.
Less than a quarter of an inch off this globe.
And you can find that out because you divide 12 into 7,927.
You get 660 miles to the inch.
And they say they go up 300 miles.
That's less than a half an inch, isn't it?
So, here you go.
That moon's out there.
Here's the Earth.
And now we can prove this.
Once you know that, this is a standard.
See, this is a reference.
Now, the way I look at it is when you look at those pictures they claim that they did on outer space, what you do is you put your eyes right close to that ball, and you match the horizon, the curvature of the Earth, to what they said.
And if it matches, it's going to be to scale.
If it's not, you're way off.
So here's an example.
I've seen many, many times where they're shooting out the Atlas rocket, and you see these beautiful pictures of the stages dropping off with fire around them, and you say, ooh, man, look at that.
Okay, well, when you see those pictures, you're seeing the Earth from about a distance like this.
You see that curvature of the Earth like this, and those stages dropping off.
Okay, now you look at that reference point from about here to here, you know, you're talking about this far.
That's further than the United States.
That's over 3,000 miles.
So if they're dropping off 1st and 2nd stages 3,000 miles off when they claim it's under 100 miles, there's something wrong with that photograph.
Am I right?
There's nothing else it could be, because this is the standard.
Okay, one of the things that they did back in July 1, 1957 to December 31, 1958 was called
the International Geophysical Year, the I.G.Y.
You've probably heard of that if you went to college or something.
It's U.N. stuff.
They gathered all the scientists together.
They were drilling and poking and measuring everything that they could to establish the
old doctrine or the old measurements of the thought was right.
They checked out this geometry which we had before.
They had devices that were called a Markowitz Dual-Rate Moon Camera and a Dijon Astrolabe.
Those were devices similar to sex scents and things that they attached to telescopes to
accurately measure these distances from the moon.
And that was supposedly for the upcoming moon project.
So, you know, in a way they really confirmed the old things because really we know that man was smart all along.
It wasn't this gradual evolution that they were cavemen or something.
I mean, it's obvious the Egyptians, you know, they were very smart with spirit.
They don't, they say that they don't know how they made them into this day.
Do they not?
And I believe with my I should say, my way of exposing this is going to show that man-made, and not something from somewhere else.
And we'll get into that later.
Okay.
But now I was reading this encyclopedia over the years.
It's in Volume 1, by the way, on page 237.
It's an illustration that I've never been able to find anywhere else, and I've been looking.
Okay, this illustration here is like a graphed, or a graphed image of a person.
is like a grant.
Or a scale that shows the different layers of the atmosphere.
And it's interesting to note in one book I was reading that the breathable air that we
breathe to this size of globe is less than the thickness of the coating that they put
on this.
In the old days it said varnish, but this is a newer one.
It probably has some kind of poly something on it.
But the air that we breathe on this globe here is actually thinner than this coating.
So we're talking about these layers.
So if I may, what I'll do is I'll get this erased and I'll draw it.
If you take a notice of something you might want to do this because it's leading up to
a point that's very vital understanding this.
If you take your paper long ways like this and you draw a line for a horizon, you know,
I never knew until just a few months ago where that word came from, Horace Rising, on this
horizon.
I don't know.
I know now.
Let me explain it this way first.
In the old books, you have to understand that all of this All these things, airplanes, jets, rockets, this all happened within 50, 60 years.
So this is really new stuff.
When we talk about these layers, in the old books, there is only four layers.
But just before they went to the moon here, this was published in 1970, so I'm sure that the type was set.
I was like, I'm a comedian and everything, when they made these books, this information, not to admit it, 1970, but obviously before they went to the moon, it exposes other layers that they could find.
And that's the ones I'm going to show you tonight.
If you have your paper ready, put this line here.
On the very first layer, they call that the troposphere.
So, we'll put that one.
Right here.
Now the troposphere, we could define as, well, I could more or less tell you, or I could read it from the book.
Backward.
Oh, thank you.
Boy, this is a real honor and privilege.
I have so much time to keep helping you tonight.
Thank you, Joe.
Okay, the troposphere is defined as from 0 to 7 miles high.
So, from this area here to here, this is the one we're talking about.
Now, I'll just read a little bit from the book.
No, I could explain it, but it's better to get it right from here.
The troposphere is 0 to 7 miles high.
The troposphere is the air which all human beings usually have intimate contact, since
it is the very stuff we breathe, and is also the seat of weather and climate.
The troposphere is the densest part of the atmosphere.
The air pressure drops with increasing altitude, and we have already pointed this out, but
there is more water vapor and carbon dioxide in the troposphere than any other layer.
And it goes on and on, but basically what it's saying is that the air that we breathe
is in this layer here.
I'm going to go.
And the next layer, which we're concerned with, maybe... I know there's a lot of smart people out here, but what do you suppose it is?
Do you know what it's called, anybody?
I heard one.
Stratosphere, correct.
Okay, I'll just find that one now.
It's being 7 to 29 miles.
to 29 miles.
Isn't that adorable, eh?
Does that mean it's a torture race?
What do I mean from 7 to 29 miles?
Right.
It starts at 7 miles high and then it goes to 29 miles.
You know, here's something I couldn't understand.
They here, in the book, they say there's no fine line between the layers.
So don't ask me why they call it 29 miles when it could easily be 30.
I'm just telling you what it says here, and I don't know what their reasoning is, but they say it can vary a couple miles.
There's no hard line if the word crosses.
But that's the definition from the textbooks that we have.
Let me go now to the stratosphere, what this consists of.
The stratosphere is less dense than the underlying troposphere.
It contains much the same gases, except there is less water vapor.
The altitude of 15 miles, much ozone is concentrated, which you know the story about the ozone pretty
well by listening to the Hollywood Times.
It absorbs mostly ultraviolet radiation from the sun and thus is heated.
From a low of minus 60 Celsius at 7 miles, the stratosphere temperature rises slowly
up to the base of the underlying meteorite.
mesosphere of about 29 miles, the temperature of the stratosphere increases in the summer.
Well, I'll tell you something else, but I'm going to stay here.
Well, it's a lot of reading, but the point I want to make is that in the stratosphere,
the temperature drops.
From here, the higher up you go, it gets colder.
And isn't this what we understand?
Because when we look at the old World War II movies and see the B-17s flying high, they're wearing those neat leather jackets I like, you know, and they're way up there in the cold, right?
Well, that's how it was.
But I'm afraid that gives people the illusion that the higher up you go, it keeps getting cold.
Does anyone here that has read the NASA Moon America book know what I'm coming to or understand what I'm getting at?
There's a hand back there.
That's a good point.
That's going to come later.
I'm tempted to get out of here, but you don't get out of here, because the temperature doesn't mean anything.
That's a good point. That's going to come later.
But what I mean for right now is...
It starts getting hot.
Right. There we go.
Okay, the next layer is the mesosphere.
29 miles it starts to 48 miles high.
So that's your third layer.
Now let's get to the rest of the spheres, how they define that.
29 to what?
48.
Yeah, well here it's 49, but that's close enough.
Oh no, you're right, 48.
I'm going to do a little bit of a demonstration.
You're very close with the people.
Right.
Okay, the composition of the mesosphere is not unlike that of the stratosphere.
The gases are less dense, of course.
Carbon dioxide and water vapor are of little importance.
The mesosphere has a layer of ionized or electrified air, the so-called D-layer, extending 30 to 50 miles above the Earth.
It is caused by the action of solar ultraviolet on the air molecules and is charged with electrons.
Ozone also occurs in the mesosphere, where it is formed by the action of solar, ultraviolet, and X-rays on oxygen.
The temperature from the low of 60 Celsius, up to 7 miles in the stratosphere, rises to 0 centigrade, an altitude of 30 miles.
And then it drops to about minus 90 at about 50 miles above the Earth.
So, you see, in the mesosphere, it's starting to vary.
Now, like I said before, in the older books, they were identifying that layer as being
called only the ionosphere.
Well, if you understand anything about it, if the ionosphere is anywhere from the top
of the stratosphere all the way up to a different degree, you know, depending on what frequency
you're transmitting at, they can determine how high or at what density level it bounced
back or even ricochet off.
And that changes through the years.
Through the year, depending on weather, temperature.
You know, that's why when you try to listen to Bill on shortwave, sometimes it sounds great, and other times you can't get it.
And that's why.
Now here, they also define these other layers of the ionosphere, the D layer, E layer, F1 layer, F2 layers.
So, you know, they have it pretty well figured out at what frequency, you know, it hots the best.
Okay, now we're getting to the one that's really important.
It's these lights here, it makes it hard to read.
Okay, maybe I should put it on this board first.
Okay, what do you suppose the name of it is?
It's totally about what we're getting at.
It's called Army Roadster?
No, that was the first one.
Well, remember that, maybe I should clarify, that the ionosphere was the old definition.
As they were getting more knowledge about radio and radar and whatnot, they defined the different layers, and this layer means No, we'll get to that one.
The thermosphere.
You got it.
He knows what's happening here.
Okay, when I saw that, the first thing that came to my mind, thermosphere, what are we talking about?
I thought it was getting colder.
And usually when they say thermo, they're not referring to the cold part of heat, they're referring to rise in temperature.
So I really, I knew I was on the right track here.
The next one, which is the thermosphere, is defined as being from 48 miles high, starting
to 250 miles here.
Thank you.
Okay, wait till you hear this definition.
There's no way they could teach this today.
That is a lie.
That is not an information.
There is a wide range of temperature in the thermosphere.
From a low of about minus 90 centigrade at 50 miles altitude, the temperature rises to several thousand degrees at 300 miles and higher into the exosphere.
Now let me just say that one more time.
The temperature raises to several thousand degrees.
Okay, how much is several thousand?
They didn't say what it is, but... I'm not sure.
Yeah, I think a several is at least more than two.
And I think it could be as high as four or five, couldn't it?
I mean, we're talking about several.
So that's what it says here.
And now I'll be finished.
It's not through.
It says, Into the Exosphere.
A great deal of this intense heat, if not all of it,
is due to the fierce solar energy and other kinds of radiation
bombarding the atmosphere at those immense heights.
The air is too thin here to offer much resistance, and there are no clouds to shield it
from the constant onslaught.
So, there it is, right there.
right there, boy.
What are they saying?
Now, it's interesting to know, it's just a coincidence, that in the same volume, here in the back, they're talking about the decimer steel process.
Now, if you read what that is, It's a glass furnace of only 2,000 degrees at 300 miles an hour, can take iron ore and melt it into steel.
So here, with the same definitions found in this book, how is it that the Apollo space capsule transversed these layers and came back in one piece without it being a molten piece of lead?
That's what I was trying to tell you on the broadcast, when I said it couldn't possibly even go through this radiation of space.
It seems we have something now, don't we?
Well, no, that's over again.
I don't want to be a point about any of that.
I think we've been so persistent.
I like to see this.
You should take another group.
Okay, let's see. I think...
And this is just the beginning.
Right.
Thank you very much.
I love you.
OK, now I think it was mentioned what, how can I phrase it?
Okay, temperature is what?
What is temperature?
Temperature is an attribute... Well, what does temperature have to be associated with?
It has to be associated with matter, molecules.
Okay.
If you have matter, You see, it doesn't matter whether you have solid, liquid, or gas.
You have molecules and stuff.
And heat is the acceleration of those molecules.
When it's cold, it's going slow, okay?
So, knowing that, what do you think the definition, I mean, the temperature of space is?
See, because when they went there, when they were on the moon, supposedly, they are sitting on the moon, They said they were sleeping, but they couldn't sleep because it was too cold.
That's just something.
So, knowing what you know of what heat is, or what the temperature is, and knowing what space is, what is the temperature of space?
You understand what I'm trying to say?
Right.
Space wouldn't have a temperature.
Because space is a vacuum and it's a lack of matter.
And we can prove that.
The thermos bottle, there's one right there.
How do they make a thermos bottle?
There's really two bottles in one.
They evacuate the air in between.
They put either hot or cold liquid inside.
And not having the matter to trans- through, or I should say penetrate.
There's, I should have mentioned, there are three ways of conducting heat.
There's, I mean, convection, conduction, and radiation.
So, how they make a thermos bottle to prevent radiation, they make it a mirror inside, nice and shiny, so when the heat goes out it tends to reflect it back in.
And the conduction and the convection is out because there's no way for that to happen through the thermos bottle.
So what I'm trying to get at is space itself doesn't have a temperature, but anything that's
in space will have a temperature.
Okay, what they claim, what they had to do, is because of the heat and the cold, when
the Apollo craft was heading out to that moon out there, that it had to do that Dutch roll
they called it.
Okay, and their logic to us was that, well, the pot on this side is rolling over into
the cold to cool off and go back into the hot again.
See, so, they wanted us to believe that's what they did, and think of the navigation problems they would have with this, because, you know, they had primitive computers back in those days, and to Go somewhere for a destination and to compensate for that roll all the time.
Well, we know it was never necessary because of the situation with the heat.
Well, what really happened is, like it was brought out in the NASA Wounded America book, in the 80s illustration, you've got a hot dog on the barbecue.
It's in the heat.
It doesn't matter how fast you turn it.
It doesn't matter if you cook it all the way through.
This is a good book.
I've read it twelve times, and I've sort of learned everything memorized.
This follow-up one here, you know, I think it came first, really, the last skeptic of science.
If you have any inclinations to these, you know, these thoughts like this,
it's a good read, because it crashes every major theory.
And like, remember, a theory is not a fact.
It's supposed to be an idea based on facts.
So that gives you latitude that maybe that theory, or that conclusion, Isn't the right conclusion, because there's other ways you can handle or interpret these facts to come to a different conclusion, right?
So, I heard it on the hour of the time that Bill mentioned it soon, and I thought he might have got the idea from his book, because the Einstein simple and complex theory of relativity, you know, it could fall any day based on some of these ideas.
And it's just very good, very good.
And I'm very spooky as hell right now.
It gets me far off here.
Which book were you talking about?
Oh, I was talking about The Last Skeptic of Science, the book Mensa tried to stop.
I've never read it.
Okay, well, what it is, is I believe he used to belong to them, so, and because of the heat and the controversy over this book, that he's no longer a member.
Yeah, I heard that story.
They kicked him out because of that book.
Was there a hand back there?
I just want to mention that such role, that maneuver, even out of the importance for radiation, the great energy, Oh, okay.
Well, that's easy.
And that brings to mind another point.
Okay, well, I'll use that cup as a space cap.
Okay, that kind of looks like one, sort of, right?
OK, well, the Dutch rule was supposed to be that it turned on its axis like this.
Like if that light was the sun, and it's going to its destination, that it turned, like, it turned like this.
Supposingly, so that this side would get heated from the sun, that it would roll over into the coldest space to dissipate the heat off, and roll back into the heat, and that was the idea.
Right.
Okay, but here's an interesting fact about this.
Is that when something like this is in orbit, you know, when you watch the space shows on TV, they always show, you know, the... I'll get my Earth here.
You know, they go da-da-da-da, and the spaceship's going around like this, and it's always going... it's always heading most first around the Earth, right?
Well, that would be true If the capsule was powered, or being pushed to go, it's being pushed to go around the Earth.
But in reality, it's orbiting the Earth, and there's nothing pushing it.
So instead of it going nose first, it would go this way, and the nose would still be aimed the same way it was going,
and then it would come back around this way, backwards, and then go around like this, or it'd be at the whim of
whatever force might happen to take it.
There's no... Right.
See, so when... Right, see, that blows a lot of things away, because, see, they're talking about taking photographs and
different experiments that they did, and was dependent on that idea of doing that, that it
shouldn't have happened.
I think they have the same reason why you only see one side of the moon in orbit.
It's not because there's nothing to see there.
Well, I'm glad... I'm glad you brought that up, because...
That happens to be a subject on TV.
And it is something that is... Oh, brother, can I get that?
Let me ask you.
Okay, we have the earth.
What is it that... The earth is moving around the sun.
But what do you suppose, or what do you think the common scientific idea is that turns the Earth like this as it's going around?
I'm not sure of the direction at this moment, but it's turning one way as it's going around.
What do you suppose the common idea is?
Any... Oh, centripetal force, maybe.
Well, some typical force might be a whole trip.
Yeah. Are you referring from like the initial big bang?
They claim and it's not that far.
Maybe I don't understand what that is. Can you explain?
Well, of course, it keeps it turning.
I guess there's two orders going on.
One of the few around the sun and then another orbit is going around this way.
Exactly. What's causing that, though?
OK, well, this is what they claim or what they believe.
They believe after the initial big bang that not that I agree with this,
but that's what they're claiming.
The initial big bang, the centripetal force when it formed the planet over all these years,
that that initial motion is the same motion that's turning the Earth now.
That's what they claim.
But there's discrepancies in that, because since the invention of the atomic clock, That they know that sometimes it slows down and then speeds up.
So what would account for the speeding up?
Because, see, over the millions of years, you would think it would naturally go slower, slower, slower, right?
but at the same speed and sometimes going faster.
There's an effect in some sense.
Well, You get the atmosphere.
Is that even in Europe?
This is...
OK.
The scientists acknowledge that there's interaction between the oceans and the atmosphere.
Okay, we're talking about the atmosphere.
Okay, and they acknowledge an interaction.
The interaction that they believe is that the earth is turning, causing the seas to turn, and also causing the atmosphere to turn.
But if you look at it through another way, or the opposite way of that, is that we know of the immense radiation in
space, that this constant bombardment of radiation on the
atmosphere is causing the atmosphere to turn, causing the oceans to turn, and that turns the earth, not
the other way around.
And to prove this theory, a suggestive theory, is that moons that don't have any substantial atmosphere, they don't
rotate.
See? So there's some credibility to this, and it makes more sense because I can't explain the speeding up.
Okay, now it gets to this thought.
OK, now suppose that this globe was the sun.
OK, the earth would be about the size of a pea compared to this.
How far away would that pea be from that sun?
Now, you've got it.
It'd be exactly where those planets are, about 215 feet.
And it has, like, a radius.
Oh, yeah.
Can you imagine that there, Jim?
Yeah.
That, that heat that you were talking about, that circummersible heat that occurs going around in different portions of the year, different parts because it's got an axis, because there is an axis.
It's circummersible heat that will generate that force.
Well, that's another good idea, because, you know, there's often excess of that all.
And, you know, all these things that all need to be focused.
Not all of these have the same things, but they have to go through the motions of Jesus, I think, that took birth in Jesus, which is a regenerating force.
Right.
But you do see the logic where if it works one way, it can work the other way, and it's
more reasonable if it's working the unconventional way because the balloon's not churning, and
that also explains why it can speed up and slow down.
Okay.
All right.
During this IGY year, the International Geophysical Year, there was a team of scientists under
the direction of James A. Van Allen, who was an American physicist at the University of
Iowa.
Now, what they discovered is with the famous...
Oh, maybe we can use Bill.
Good morning, Bill.
Thank you, Bill.
We need to talk about when universities come up with this theory.
They all do.
Oh, do they?
Yeah.
They're in on the fraud.
No.
They're in on their job and their government grants, which they lose when they don't.
That's great stuff.
I made that up.
Too big.
All about money.
Money issues.
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That's why you don't deal with us.
The rest of the world says because people who have positions don't deal with us, we have no credibility.
See how it works?
Okay, these scientists during those geophysical years, with the Voyager and, excuse me, with the Vanguard satellite projects, what they did is they kept shooting up rockets and satellites and Geiger counters in them, and they discovered that there was this belt around the Earth here, That was accredited to the James A. Van Allen, and that's why we know him as the Van Allen Bill.
Now what this is, is it starts at 600 miles out from the globe here, and up to 25,000 miles away.
Then it says 40,000 miles.
the way that man makes this, 40,000 miles, that what is causing this is the radiation
from the sun hitting the magnetic lines of force of the earth.
Because within those magnetic lines, it creates an ionized field of charged ions, and they attribute that to the Van Allen Belt.
And they also, they call it a plasma.
And a plasma is a charged particle.
Now, one of the significant factors of plasma Is that it has a very high, it has a very high conductivity of electricity.
As a matter of fact, they say it's even better than copper.
And so here we have around the earth here a giant, I mean essentially a giant metal band.
There's no difference between the conductivity of metal and plasma.
So if you know anything about electricity and currents, when you have a current, you know, the left-hand rule, I believe they call it, wherever you have magnetism, motion, or electricity, you have a current.
So there's many, many thousands of amperes flowing through these Through the Van Allen belt, and they discovered that there's high radiation, and it wouldn't be a place I'd really want to go, you know what I mean?
Well, the shorter turn must have an effect somewhere.
If you have a shorter turn on the transformer, there's a lot of heat generated.
That's true.
But to get back to...
Well, this is at a higher level than what we were talking about.
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