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July 18, 1995 - Bill Cooper
01:00:07
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*Pewds* White power of the power, This is power of the power. This is power of the power.
Once upon a beautiful crew, a cruel war sizzled in the air.
THE END
THE END Ladies and gentlemen, tonight is going to be open phones.
We'll take your call.
See what's on your mind.
Discuss anything you want to.
I don't care what the subject is.
Just make sure that you're polite and can talk about it intelligently.
If you disagree, that's fine, as long as you're intelligent and polite.
Anything else, as always, will get dumped.
You got an opportunity, folks, to say something or ask a question that could illuminate the world.
Or you can make an utter and total complete ass of yourself.
It's up to you.
The number is 520-337-2922.
Don't go away.
I'll be right back and take your calls.
All right, baby!
Here we go with another call out of the stations.
Can you hear me?
Can I get an answer again about those secret agents, spy scopes?
They're parades on a telescope.
No, those secret agents, spy scopes, man.
That points at the moon and stars, and planets, and satellites, and space men.
You must have the wrong number, partner.
Did you want a jig-a-jive?
Bunched around?
Let him in!
Watch me!
Tell me what's wrong with me!
I won't tell anybody, I won't tell anybody.
I ain't been in love In the most of the day I'm ready, baby Never want me to leave the home I ain't been in love Never want me to leave the home I ain't been in love
Yeah, I'm not afraid to let go.
I can take the pain away.
All down the line.
I can take the pain away.
All down the line.
I don't know what to do anyway.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Good evening, Bill.
For once I'm on first instead of last.
This is Gary from Wyoming.
Hi, Gary.
Hey, the other night I called and I had some questions and I was wondering, I hear things about government mining or they've been working on mine control experiments and stuff.
Is a lot of that bunk or is it pretty well factual, do you think?
No, this is factual.
They've been working on that for many, many years.
It's fact since before World War II.
I've been hearing about these Ground Wave Emergency Network Transmitters.
They're supposed to be stationed across the United States.
And I was wondering if you knew anything about them?
What info?
We found one outside of Billings, Wyoming.
Latitude and longitude match what we had on the list.
But if you knew anything about them, if you heard anything about them at all?
Yeah, I've been paying attention to it for a lot of years.
It was first developed, they say, for communication with deep, submerged atomic submarines.
And from my knowledge from the submarine service, that is one of the methods used to communicate with submarines that are submerged to the deepest depths for like three months at a time.
And they also have other capabilities.
One capability is and I'm talking about the ELF in particular.
One capability is that it can alter the mood of a population that it is broadcast into.
It can make people euphoric.
It can make people suicidal.
It can make them fall into a deep depression.
You know, it just depends upon the particular hurts that's being broadcast and for what duration and what kind of modulation.
All kinds of things that they can put into these.
Yeah, there's been a lot of research done on it.
There are some books written about it.
None of the titles come to my mind right at this moment.
Yeah, there's one.
Okay.
Like I said, we discovered one outside of Billings.
We noticed a circular area that said no power and they're cultivating past this point.
It was a U.S.
government site.
Then I got to looking after I got a list of where some of the sites were.
One of them was Canton, Oklahoma.
Well, the problem with these things is they say that they're for communication with deep submerged atomic submarines.
The truth is if they really were they'd be on the coast, not in Oklahoma and Wyoming and Kansas and Montana and Ohio and the places where they're being found.
Have you done any shows or can we get any more information from you on that or should we just go ahead and try to reach some of those other authors?
No, I haven't done any shows on it.
Don't intend to.
I'm trying to save a nation.
If we can save a nation we can take care of that.
I work with the big picture.
Everybody else has got to work with the little picture.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Don't get me wrong.
It's just that my efforts are to a bigger picture.
Some of us are just alarmed.
Before the Oklahoma bombing, a lot of people were in a depression.
They couldn't understand why.
There were reports of some possibly ELF being used and we had noticed that there had been Well now, I have relatives that live in Oklahoma and I never heard any of that.
Okay, okay.
All right, well thanks a lot Bill.
You're welcome.
I'm not saying it didn't occur, I'm just saying my relatives never heard of any of it.
Thank you for calling.
Good night.
Good night.
520-337-2922 and don't forget this number is our fax number for the other 23 hours of the day.
this number is our fax number for the other 23 hours of the day.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Mr. Cooper, I have a very pointed question for you.
What is this obsession that you have with skeletal references such as poopy diapers and all that?
Are you one of those people?
No, I don't happen to be one of those people.
Then what is your problem?
Well, your problem is you must have been traumatized because that's all you ever talk about.
No, that's not all I ever talk about.
I only talk about it when little poopy diapers call.
Well, can't you use... don't you have some kind of, like, imagination to use another name or something?
I thought that was... That's all you think about?
Well, I'll tell you what.
If you would like to use another word, I suggest you get your own radio show.
Oh, okay.
That's fine.
That's why you let other people get on your show and that's okay.
That's okay.
Didn't I let you get on and voice your opinion?
Mm-hmm.
Then what's your problem?
I don't have one of those little poofy diapers.
So you see what really bothers him is he's one of them.
Otherwise he wouldn't be upset by it.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hello.
Hello.
How are you?
Fine.
Good.
I'd like to ask you a question.
Back several weeks ago I heard you make a comment about a man named Carl Sanders which had been touring around the country talking about Yes, claiming he worked in a factory where they made implants and all kinds of stuff and that he turned out to be a total fraud.
Well, that's what I want to inquire about.
I checked out some of the information on some of the tapes.
I didn't say the information was false.
I said he was a fraud.
He never worked where he said he worked.
He didn't do what he said he did.
Well, I checked with the mission board that he worked with.
They said that he did work with them and I was sort of wondering about when you did your investigation, you know, not trying to be negative about it.
It's okay if you're negative as long as you're intelligent and you can discuss politely whatever you want to discuss.
There's nothing wrong with that.
We're not afraid of being contradicted or criticized.
What we don't like is these little social poopy diapers that like to call in and can't put forth an intelligent conversation.
That's all.
Well, it's not that.
I don't have the problem that other fella had that just called.
I'd just like to know a little bit more about it.
If he is a fraud, I have a lot of people that put a lot of trust in him, plus the mission board that he's with.
And I'd like to know something about your message of investigation.
It's very simple.
You find out where he said he worked, when he said he worked there, call that facility, A lot of people have a lot of confidence in him that I've talked to and that was my question.
Well, this is one of the problems that we have.
has given them as a reference, and he worked there, from such and such and such and such, can they confirm or deny it?
It's very simple.
Anybody can do it.
A lot of people have a lot of confidence in them that I've talked to, and I just, that was my question.
Well, this is one of the problems that we have.
There are a lot of people who claim to be what they're not.
They may be telling you correct information, but when you look into their background, if they're not who they say they are, then something's No.
Okay.
Well, I know he worked with the mission board that he said he worked with.
I'm not talking about the mission board.
I'm talking about where he said he worked with this technology.
They claim they never heard of him.
Well, I never heard him say exactly where he worked.
Well, maybe you ought to ask him.
We did.
So, go ahead and do that.
Okay, let me ask you another question.
Sure.
You always discuss, several times there you've discussed anyway, about how nice the areas where you live.
Yes.
And I live in a place on the east coast which is terrible as far as the people and how much traffic and all the lakes are wore out, all the trails are wore out.
And I never really heard you say exactly what area around that you live there in Arizona.
It's the White Mountains.
But it sounded wonderful.
Oh, it is fantastic.
One of the most beautiful places on the face of this earth.
I'd like to visit there sometime.
Well, you're always welcome, my friend.
Okay.
Enjoy your show.
Thank you.
And I appreciate it more than I do, I guess, anything else that I hear.
Well, I'm flattered by that.
Thank you very much.
And you keep up the good work, okay?
I shall try, although it is trying at times.
I have no idea.
Thank you for calling.
Thank you, sir.
520-337-2922 is the number.
You know, just because someone isn't who they say they are doesn't mean what they're telling you is wrong.
But it does mean that something is wrong there.
And you have to be very careful.
Remember my admonition.
Listen to everybody, read everything, believe nothing until you check it yourself.
You know, and even if I spouted off everything that we knew about everybody, you should not believe what I say.
You should go check for yourself.
If you have questions about this gentleman, you should go get a resume from him and begin checking what he says.
And if you find something wrong there, then by golly, there's something wrong.
And that's all there is to it.
I'm trying to teach all of you to do your own research.
And I keep hearing people, well I work all day and I don't have time and I have a family and this and that.
What do you think I do?
Only I work about three times harder than most of you ever will.
And I'm not cutting you down, but most of you go to work for eight hours a day and that's I work from the time I get up until the time I go to bed, and I usually don't go to bed until about three in the morning, sometimes later.
I get maybe six hours of sleep at night if I'm lucky, and sometimes not that much.
The two gentlemen, the young men that work for me here with the paper, they don't work for me.
Actually, they're partners.
They work so hard.
I gave them 49% of Veritas.
They own it, okay?
They were here all day yesterday, all night last night, and Mike has been here all day today, and Bart has been packing to move out of the house where he's been living because he has to move somewhere else.
He feels threatened here.
We have a turncoat here who tried to destroy Bart's life, and we're trying to deal with that in the best possible way that we can.
So anyway, good evening, you're on the air.
Good evening, Bill.
I have a question for you regarding the Ground Wave Emergency Network.
This is the ultra-low frequency that's used to communicate with the submarines, as you said.
You've mentioned that they put them in different areas in the continental U.S.
There's a reason for that.
Actually, the low frequencies that are used, the very low frequencies, actually propagate as well through ground as they do through water.
So for communicating with submarines, that, from what I know, It wouldn't be any disadvantage to have them located in the center of a landmass, although that doesn't mean that they still couldn't be used for ulterior purposes.
Well, I don't disagree with that.
You may be absolutely right.
But there are too many of them scattered all over the United States to be used just for communication with deep submarines.
There has to be something else to these things.
Oh, absolutely.
I don't pretend to know what it is, but I do know that their sole purpose is not just to communicate with deep submarines.
Absolutely.
At one time, there were only two sites in the United States.
Jim Creek, which I believe was in Washington State, and another site in Minnesota, which is all they needed, since these waves travel through the world.
And as you say, it looks very odd to have 20 or 30 of the Devils.
There was also something a few years back, if you turned to a short wave, you couldn't miss it.
It's vernacular term was called the Woodpecker, or the Russian Woodpecker.
It was over the horizon radar that the Soviets had developed.
Supposedly to look for incoming cruise missiles and things.
This is back in the 80s.
However, I've got some studies that are very interesting.
That it seems to be that most of the transmitters were directed into Russia.
And there was some speculation that it was some sort of mind control experiment or weather modification.
One or the other.
And of course, we're doing similar experiments with low frequencies to modify weather.
But that's something that went off the air years ago.
They may be using different frequencies now, but I don't know.
I had one other comment regarding Mark Cornehy.
Mark from Michigan?
Yes.
I heard him on a show last night along with Satin Ellis.
He used to have that show on WWCR.
The show is on 7435.
It's on after midnight out of Nevada.
And a very interesting admission from him.
I heard him, the guest asked him, are you still a member of LDS?
And as far as I know that's Latter Day Saints, the Mormons.
Yeah.
Oh, I was with him for a while, but I'm not anymore.
Yeah, another famous Mormon, and I'm not attacking the Mormon church, and I'm not saying that being a Mormon has anything to do with Mark Kornkeith, because as far as I know, he's never had anything to do with religion.
But another famous Mormon, Lieutenant Colonel James Bo Grice, for a long period of time, went around the country looking up identity Christian groups and racist Aryan Nations, religious Christian groups, and pretended to be members of religious Christian groups, and pretended to be members of those groups, and pretended to be one of them, and was telling groups that he was a Christian.
I remember one time when he spoke in Sedona, Arizona, he said that he didn't belong to any religion, that he had tried them all, and he hadn't found one yet that satisfied his craving for spiritual nourishment.
And Sedona happens to be one of these New Age places where if you wanted to be politically correct, you would say something like that.
The truth is, the whole time he was a member of the Mormon church, he was lying.
Of course, he was saying what would play best to a particular group, and that's what he became.
That's right, and there's something extremely, extremely dangerous about people who do things like that.
Yes, well obviously they have their own motives and they're, not to mention they're hypocrites, but let's face it, they're taking people who will not, after they work their eight hours, do a little research and they leave them around by the nose.
It's very simple to do for people, as you said.
I know what you're saying about people working eight hours a day.
I can't do anything.
I'm just one person.
Well, they can if it's got beer involved, or sex, or dance, or something like that, or television.
I'll tell you, this is a comment that you made a while back that I thought was great.
I almost wanted to frame it.
If all you want to do is get beer, get drunk, and get That's a sure fruit to slavery.
Sure words were never said, Bill.
That's correct.
Okay.
Thanks very much.
It's great hearing you.
You're welcome.
Thank you for calling us.
Thank you.
Bye-bye.
Yeah, folks, I believe God gave us a brain to use, not to stagnate or be manipulated by television or anything else.
But that's my opinion.
You don't have to believe me if you don't want to.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Good evening, Bill.
Last Thursday night, I believe it was, you did a program on astronomy?
Yes.
Well, it wasn't astronomy, and it wasn't astrology either.
It was a recounting of the Illuminati's version of the Bible and the origin of symbology in all religions and the use of that by the Illuminati to direct the evolution of humankind.
Yes, it was very interesting.
Something has led me to look into astronomy and the story.
Are you familiar with the same line of reasoning that Dr. Gene Scott and E. Raymond Kapp put out?
Oh, yeah.
In fact, I used to.
I couldn't figure out what Gene Scott was up to.
Right.
And the way I found him, I was going through the channels one night when we got a satellite system and I could pick up anything in the world.
And there was Gene Scott reading from a UFO book and he would stop right before a strategic, suspenseful place and he'd say, unless I get $200,000 we're not going to continue.
Then he would show pictures of his horses at the racetrack that was purchased with all this money that these people were sending him, which is okay.
You know, if he can get away with it and adults are doing it of their own free will, you know, that's America.
I can't complain about it except it's very manipulative to me.
So I started listening to him just to see where this guy was coming from and what he was pitching, and this guy is straight out of the mysteries.
There is no doubt about it.
He, in fact, Tom Valentine signed over all the rights to his books to Dr. Gene Scott.
Did you know that?
Right, uh-huh.
Yes, I followed all the pyramid studies and the astronomical things, too.
You need to tell me what you were reading from again.
I didn't get the program right at the start and the exact little book or whatever you were reading from.
It sounded like E. Raymond Camp almost.
No, it wasn't.
I can't remember right now and it's not within reach.
But you can order the tape for $9.00.
Okay, great.
Okay, appreciate it Bill.
Thank you for calling.
Thank you.
520-337-2922 is the number.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hi, let me turn down my radio.
Turn it off please, not down.
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Sure, but I want everybody to understand that I have not read these reports, don't know anything about them, do not vouch for them, and you ordered them at your own risk.
Okay.
I need $5 cash, send it to Bill Mack, M-A-C-K, and that's P.O.
mailbox 202223, there's six digits, 202223, Minneapolis, Minnesota 55420.
And I've been also investigating Mr. Kornke, A friend of mine heard him say that he was a Mormon.
I don't have anything against that per se.
I don't either.
I support anybody's right to worship at whatever altar they wish.
What I don't like are liars and deceivers.
That really gets me going.
I'll expose them every time.
Would you agree that Mr. Kornke has come out with some information that has caused us all to think?
Or, I mean, is that a valid supposition?
That if a person comes out with information and you ferret out the truth, and there's a lot of things that he said that were true, especially about black helicopters and the UN and all that, Um, that he would be a valid source of info?
No one is a valid source of info until you have checked the information and verified that it is factual, true, and correct through your own investigations, including me.
Okay.
Does that illuminate you a little bit?
Yeah.
Remember, I tell you, listen to everyone, read everything, believe nothing unless you can prove it yourself with facts.
Not because somebody said so, not because you read it in a book.
Right.
Just because it's in a book or a newspaper doesn't make it fact either.
Well, it sounds good.
Well, keep up the good work, and I enjoy listening to you every night.
You come in loud and clear.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, sir.
And thank you for calling.
Oh, boy.
520-337-2922 is the number.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Oh, Bill, I talked to you before about this big airplane.
I caught you one time during the day.
It looked like a jet.
I was traveling very slowly just above the treetops.
Have you heard anything about that?
No, there's lots of things that would qualify as a big airplane, and some around here.
Big as a C-140, making no sound, barely above the trees.
No, I haven't heard of a plane that large.
I haven't heard of anything that big flying barely over the trees that doesn't make any noise.
Well, wait a minute.
You ask me a question, then you don't let me answer.
I haven't heard of anything that big flying barely over the trees that doesn't make any noise.
I have seen quite a few aircraft flying just at housetop or treetop level somewhere around here, and all of them that we've seen so far have belonged to the United States military.
They are breaking the law when they do that.
It is against the FAA regulations.
It's against the law.
It's against everything.
But for some reason, they're getting away with it.
No matter who you call, they all deny that they belong to them.
We have seen the Soviet aircraft flying higher, but within An altitude that they were easily identifiable as Soviet, or ex-Soviet, I should say, probably Russian, who knows where they come from.
I've seen what I thought looked like spy planes with the radar sort of high.
Also, the ELF, this is very rural North Carolina, we have a second tower, and I've been told by people who have cellular phones that their phones are not working any better.
And just recently we had a murder of a guy on a dairy farm.
Murdered an 11-year-old girl and molested her and cut a boy's throat.
And they lived within a half mile of that tower.
Well now be very careful about the relationships and conclusions you draw.
That doesn't mean anything.
Right.
Okay.
I was asking if you were closer to it.
Could it affect you?
I have no idea but from what you told me you have no proof and neither does anybody else that this guy did that because of that tower or who knows if the tower was even broadcast or anything.
We have to be very careful about the conclusions that we draw.
We can't just go around making these weird statements.
That's how the New York Times can publish these stories that make us look like idiots.
Right.
They'll do it anyway but we don't need to give them any more help.
I want to ask one other thing.
You remember the miniseries America with a K?
Yeah.
Was it Anthony Hilder that was doing the tape on that?
The tape about America?
Yeah.
I have one of those tapes.
I was wondering also if anyone else there has that tape on VCR.
I've missed all of it but I've got one half of Anthony.
Get it from Anthony.
Call Anthony.
Okay.
Do you have his number?
Yes, free.
Yeah, 213, yes free.
Okay, thanks a lot Bill.
You're welcome.
Alright, goodnight.
Goodnight, thank you for calling.
520-337-2922 is the number.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Yeah, Bill.
Yeah.
I'd like to take exception to a statement you made a couple of shows ago.
You said that most police officers carry a tore down weapon?
Most of them that I've ever met will tell you that they do.
Oh, I've been a police officer for 10 years and I've never met one that carried one.
Well, maybe in your area that they don't.
I've worked in Los Angeles.
I helped train in the College of Oceaneering the whole Los Angeles Bomb Squad in diving and in underwater demolitions.
And we went out drinking with those guys.
That was in my younger days when I was pretty wild and wooly.
And I was diving and lived on the waterfront and played on the waterfront.
And they told us a lot of tales, one of which is most police officers, at least in L.A.
and some other places in the country where I've gotten to know police officers, carry a parole line.
Well, like I said, I can't say that what you talked to other officers was not what they told you.
I just have been for ten years, also in California, met a lot of officers in my ten years and have never met anybody that would even think about carrying one.
Again, I can't speak for some of those that told you that in Los Angeles.
I don't know how long ago they told you that.
I just would like to say that again in the last ten years being involved in this.
There's also a distinction drawn too.
When I said that I wasn't talking about people like highway patrol officers and things like that.
I was talking specifically about police officers and the ones that I've talked to and maybe I shouldn't have been so general.
We're all working in high crime areas, and they said they wouldn't hesitate because otherwise, sooner or later, they told me, and I don't believe it has to be that way, I think it's a crock of crap, they told me that they would end up in jail.
Well, that's great.
Like I said, and I appreciate your saying that, I took exception to you saying most police officers have been an isolated group, but most of you have met in a certain area.
Again, I agree, there's no exception.
There's no excuse for that at all.
That's a bad group of lobsters if they had told you that.
Well, if you've studied the Los Angeles Police Department at all, you know that that's always been an awful lot of problems with that police department.
At one time, they were running an assassination squad out of the intelligence unit.
Well, they have an interesting history.
But again, I don't want to take up the whole show for the whole thing.
I agree with a lot of what you said.
It's interesting to listen to you.
I'll retract that statement because I can see where maybe I shouldn't have said it.
I will make this qualification.
Most of the officers that I've ever known in my life that have been sat down and become friends with me and could talk with me freely have told me that they carry a throwaway and most of the officers that they know carry one.
So let me qualify it that way.
Does that help?
That would help a lot.
Boy, I'd sure like to sit down and make friends and talk with you.
Maybe someday.
Thank you Bill.
Thank you for calling.
Yeah, folks, you know, I'm human.
Sometimes I say something that's out of line, and if I do, and if I recognize it, or you bring it to my attention, I'll correct it.
And if I make some factual statement that's wrong, and you can prove it, not allege it, Some people will call and start screaming in the phone and all this stuff.
I say, well, if you can prove it to them, I'll retract it on the air.
They don't want to prove it.
They just want to allege it.
They say so, so I'm supposed to do it.
And that's not the way it goes, folks.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Hi, Mr. Cooper.
Dave Cullen from Missouri.
I was wondering if you could help me out on a couple of things.
Depends.
Just a couple of quick questions.
A few months ago you had said something about Tom Valentine making a statement in a book that...
The book from Barnes and Noble.
In fact, they have it in their mail order catalog.
It's called Five Five Two Thousand Ice the Ultimate Disaster.
There's a long interview in that book conducted by Richard Noon of Tom Valentine.
Five Five Two Thousand Ice the Ultimate Disaster by Richard K. Noon.
Okay.
What Tom Valentine has to say in that book is Well, I do listen to him every now and then.
Like a lot of other shows, you can't glean certain pieces of information, but I have heard him say a few contradictory things, and I find that interesting.
One more quick question.
This is kind of a frivolous one, but every now and then for break music, you play a piece of music that's kind of got a rhythmic Yeah, I think it's excellent, in fact.
Bush sang a New World Order and then you heard the Sieg Heil?
Call 213-YES-FREE.
And talk to Anthony?
Yes.
Okay.
What's the name of that song?
Just talk, describe what you just described to me and he'll tell you how to get it.
Okay.
I don't know what the name of it is.
Okay, maybe it doesn't have a name.
But it's interesting.
Yeah, I think it's excellent, in fact.
It tells the tale as far as I'm concerned.
One more quick thing.
I read your book about three years ago and I was familiar with a lot of the stuff that you were talking about in the book but I thought it was pretty far out at the time that I read it.
But over the years I've kind of found that I have a lot more faith in what is in that book because I have gone to the library and done a certain amount of research.
Not only that but most of the things that I said would happen
Well, I've only been listening to you for about four months since I got a shortwave, and I found it interesting the night you said, and you said it again tonight, about the thing of listening to everything, reading everything, and dividing it up into three categories, what you can confirm, what you can't confirm.
It's a very nice place to go to.
It's very quiet.
I thought, well, that's interesting because that's kind of what I do.
And, you know, a lot of the things I hear you say, I do go down to the library and check it out.
And it's very fascinating what you can find at your local library.
Do I generally check out?
You generally check out.
Good.
And the library on evenings and weekends is a very nice place to go to.
It's very quiet.
There's plenty of parking and it's air conditioned.
And like I said, it's just amazing what you can find down there.
So more people ought to go.
You're absolutely correct.
Thanks Mr. Cooper.
You're welcome.
Thank you for calling.
And if you can get to a federal repository library, oh boy, can you go nuts.
Don't go away.
I'll be right back.
Come, let's go.
Slow the clock.
Came off the presses today.
Well, folks, Veritas is out.
Came off the presses today.
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Hi, Mr. Cooper.
Hello.
I really enjoy your program.
Thank you.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hi, Mr. Cooper.
Hello.
I really enjoy your program.
Thank you.
I've been following this New World Order theory for about a year and a half now, and there are two holes in it that I've thought of that no one's really been able to explain to me, and maybe I've been misguided in my thinking, but I was wondering if I could speak with them to you tonight.
Certainly, go ahead.
I've heard many people say that the idealists and the socialists want to undermine the sovereignty of the United States, and one of the planks of that is to disarm Americans.
And I was wondering if that is the case, why is the former Soviet Union and China sending so many SKS rifles over here?
Just about anybody can own one, and if you think the socialists would want to undermine our ability to defend ourselves, they certainly wouldn't be sending us Cheap, but certainly decent weapons.
And I was wondering if you could speak to that issue.
Ah, yes.
It's very simple.
Anyone who studies Karl Marx or the method that socialists use to come to power, what is that method?
Well, you could cause internal upheavals within the country.
No, there's one word.
Very simple.
Revolution.
Every instance they've ever come to power, it's been through an armed uprising of the people.
Revolution.
That's why I tell patriots, that's why I tell people, whoever fires the first shot loses.
They want a civil war in this country.
They want us to rise up and start a war.
Then they can justify eliminating those who would maintain liberty and bringing about their socialist one world government.
It's very simple.
and most intelligent patriots are on to this.
Okay, so are you saying that a few misguided patriots or so-called patriots may fall right into the trap and that may be the true purpose of some of these people who are urging armed rebellion against the government?
Okay, the other issue is... See, my urging has always been, don't do anything unless you are attacked first and then use the militia as defense and to maintain social and military control of your local area in case societal order breaks down.
Yeah, I tend to agree with that point of view also.
The other issue is, it seems that the most prosperous nations in this country Well, you're confusing socialism with communism.
Socialism is very much what Hitler had in Germany.
- You killed the people that laid the golden egg by destroying capitalism and trying to have a socialist world order.
- Well, you're confusing socialism with communism.
Socialism is very much what Hitler had in Germany.
It's sort of a marriage between the corporation and the state.
- Okay.
- And the capitalists make out.
It's just that the state has a certain control over what they do.
They still get to own and keep and control their capital goods, but the state can tell them where their market is and how much production they have to make and what their price is going to be.
It's also the very best way to control the masses who become dependent upon the social order and the state becomes their daddy.
They revert to a status of children.
And so it's very hard to break somebody of that dependency.
So once socialism takes hold, it's almost impossible to wean the children back into becoming adults and being responsible and living in liberty.
If you don't believe me, go to what used to be the Soviet Union right now.
They're screaming to have communism back because now they have to really do something to survive and they never had to do that before.
Oh no, I'd certainly agree with the premise.
You can see that in our own country when The minute any politician suggests that we cut benefits that we're doing out to people on welfare, you instantly have thousands of people rallying in Washington.
That's right.
They've become dependent on the government.
That's right.
Government spends too much!
Gotta cut down the military!
Gotta close a lot of these bases!
Well, we're going to do that, sir.
We're going to close this base right here in this town.
What?!
You traitor!
Don't you dare close that base!
If you close that base, I'll never vote for you again!
Right, right.
That's the way it goes.
Okay, well, hey, I appreciate your time and I enjoy your show once again.
Thank you for calling.
Alright, goodbye.
Your comments were very good and your questions were very good.
good.
520-337-2922.
Good evening.
How are you this evening?
This is Chris and Norman.
I have a couple of questions for you.
I hope you don't think they're kind of fiddling or anything.
Do you know anything about the Dave Hinkson show?
I don't want you to wait.
I never even heard of it.
I know it's carried on WWCR on a different frequency.
Oh, wait a minute.
You're talking about the show that follows mine?
Yeah.
I listened to it one night.
I thought it was very good.
Okay.
I've only heard it one time, though.
Okay, yeah.
I'm trying to figure out, you know... And apparently he's a friend of Lou Efton in Las Vegas, and when I was in Vegas and I was a guest of Lou Efton's show over this last Fourth of July holiday, Lou was going to take me out there to meet the guy and see his studio.
Everything's computerized, and I really wanted to see it, but I didn't get a chance to go.
I wouldn't say he gives legal advice.
He couches it in the form of, if I was in your shoes, this is what I would do.
He seems to have his constitution down.
I'll tell you, the way people turn against you in this day and age, for the slightest reason, and the way that people are so willing to sue you for the slightest reason, it's just not wise to give anybody any advice at all.
But if they take it, it might cause them to lose something or get in trouble or something like that.
Because they'll blame you, even though they're the ones who are ultimately responsible.
They're going to blame you.
Oh, I agree as well.
We're getting to the point anymore to where nothing is anybody's fault.
It's always somebody else's fault.
Oh yeah, boy, I hear that every single day.
And to a point... Not my fault!
Well, and to a point, in a way they're right, but they're not quite getting the point.
Society has, for the last generation or two, people have gotten lazy and they've learned it from their parents and from society.
Now we get to the point where they're talking about the twenty-something generation.
We get all these people who don't know how to think for themselves.
They don't even know where to begin to start asking the right questions.
I don't know.
It's hard for me to condemn them.
All I can think of is to try your best to help people learn how to learn for themselves.
Oh, be careful.
Be careful when you try to help somebody because often they'll turn around and cut your head off.
You know what I mean.
There's a piece of folk wisdom that goes, if you give a man a fish you'll feed him for a day.
Yeah, but make sure you're dealing with a man that understands responsibility.
Some people don't.
You can give them everything they need to survive and they'll never learn rationality.
Yeah, absolutely.
Excuse me.
Every once in a while you've got to let me talk.
All through this conversation, every time I open my mouth you just talk right over me and I really don't care for that.
I'm sorry.
I'm just kind of nervous.
Don't be nervous.
I'm not going to bite you.
As long as you're intelligent and you're polite, you can say anything you want on this show.
I don't care what it is.
As long as it's polite.
As long as it's polite and as long as it's intelligent, anything goes.
I would say I was lucky to find your show on the radio.
I've been listening for about six months now.
Before that I had an idea that something was wrong, but I wasn't sure exactly what.
I got into the shortwave thing just as a hobby.
I started listening to your show and you were the most rational person I've ever heard on the air talking about these things.
I started going to the library and looking some of this stuff up.
It's frightening.
Does it check out?
Everything I've looked up so far, I've done a lot of research on the UN Charter and their declaration on human rights and that document is just so contradictory it's unbelievable.
I mean you have one right granted here and then another right granted toward the back that in order to have that right you'd have to wipe out the first right.
There you go.
And they're not rights anyway, they're privileges.
No, they're privileges.
I'm just now getting into this like hardcore and it's frightening.
It's frightening and it's angry.
I mean it makes me angry because the thing that goes through our mind is why can't they just leave people alone?
I've been asking myself that for years.
They've got all this money and all this power.
It's wrong for them to play little games in the first place.
But for them, why would they want to go beyond the little games they're playing?
You've got to ask them.
I'm noticing that they're definitely on some kind of timetable.
Oh yeah, without a doubt.
Excuse me, excuse me.
I'm sorry.
Boy, you just like to hog that time, don't you?
They do have a timetable.
It's the year 2000 or very shortly thereafter.
It was initially the year 2000.
I think they've been set back to at least 2002 and possibly later than that, and I don't think they're going to make it anyway.
I don't think they're ever going to get the arms out of the American people's hands.
Thank you for calling.
Sure.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye. 520-337-2922 is the number.
And good evening.
You're on the air.
Yeah, howdy.
Hello.
Yeah, how you doing?
Hello?
Yes.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I didn't know I was on the air.
What I wanted to talk about... My name's Larry.
I'm from Wisconsin.
And I started listening to you about three months ago.
And I like what I hear.
And I just wanted to express an opinion.
It's like...
I'm fearful.
Like, I spoke for the Veritas and I'm fearful of giving my name and address because I think it'll wind up somewhere.
Listen to this very carefully.
It's the New World Order.
Are you one of them?
No.
Then you're one of us, aren't you?
Correct.
Then you're already on the list, so don't worry about it.
Yeah, that's when my friend returned me into this station and told me.
It's the truth.
In fact we're going to have t-shirts made up.
It's going to say us and them.
We'll all wear the t-shirts that say us and you can send the one that says them to your favorite them.
How does that sound?
Then everybody in the country will be able to tell who's who very quickly.
That's great.
It's not my idea.
Somebody else thought it up.
I can't remember who but I can't take credit for it.
I just have an intense fear of the government.
Don't be afraid.
That's how they control you.
That's the only weapon that they really have is your fear of them.
And it's not government anyway.
Our constitutional republican form of government works really well.
It is the subversives who have infiltrated and taken over our government and are not operating a constitutional republican form of government.
I stand corrected, because it does seem right, what you're saying.
It does seem right.
Okay, let me say the present government, which isn't what it should be.
I was at a gun show in Waukesha, Wisconsin, and I had strangers walking up to me, asking me what's in my bag and stuff.
Tell them it's none of their business, and to leave you alone.
I did, I did.
Good for you.
And don't be afraid of them.
They're probably jack-booted Nazi Gestapo thugs from the VATF practicing unconstitutional attempts at search and seizure.
That's correct.
And when I had purchased those books, and I had a great fear of driving home, and now I worry in my home.
Well, don't do that.
If you're going to give in to fear, then you're already beat.
You're already a slave.
And you know I hate to say that and somebody is going to call and say well you shouldn't have said that to him because he needs tender loving care and I don't believe that.
I believe that you have to learn not to be afraid of these people and stand up and confront them a couple of times and win a couple of times and you won't be afraid anymore.
No I called to hear what you had to say not what I wanted you to say.
Well I know that but I was talking about somebody else who is going to call later and complain about how I treated you because you were afraid and somebody will they always do.
I don't think you're a baby and I won't treat you like one.
I think you're a man.
I think you're an American.
I think you're trying to do what's right and I'll treat you like a man and an American and I'll tell you the truth.
I appreciate that.
Let me ask you this.
I heard this thing about them using cards for everyone and it was suggested that people Different people have different identities for the time when the government pushes upon us.
Carry a little card or a chip.
It'll have everything about you and money will be on his card, etc.
They're already starting that.
They've already done it with the military.
They're doing it with driver's license in some states.
They want to have a national ID card.
They're pressing for it in California with the excuse that they want to make sure that employers don't employ illegal aliens.
So anyway, thanks for calling.
It's not a fear.
I just refuse to take it.
I don't have a social security number.
I don't deal with these people.
I don't deal with them.
Period.
I'm not in their system.
I don't care about their system.
They can't intimidate me.
I'm not afraid.
And if they come and kill me, what are they going to do?
They're going to create a martyr around which a I admire that, Stan.
Let me ask one more question.
and I will get to go to the other side finally and solve the great mystery that everybody wonders about for their whole life.
I admire that, Stan.
Let me ask one more question.
On vacation, previous to you leaving, you mentioned not to be home.
On any major holiday.
I've said it over and over and over and over again.
Thanks for calling and I'll talk about that off the phone.
Socialists and socialism has traditionally attacked its enemies in the dead of night on major holidays.
When you're full of a feast, a big meal, like a turkey, or a ham dinner, or a steak, or something, and you've had a few drinks, and you've been partying and playing baseball, and you've run yourself ragged, and you're exhausted, and you're asleep in the dead of night, that's when the doors come crashing down.
If you don't believe me, study communism, study socialism, study when they've made their major pogroms, and rounded up their major enemies, and they always strike at the leaders first.
So it is not cowardice.
It is the duty of every patriot leader to be someplace where they will never expect you to be on any major holiday.
So, I hope that explains it.
It is your duty.
Leaders must be leaders.
And if you have been rounded up and you are in prison, you cannot lead anybody.
Patriots, you must protect your leaders at all costs, under all circumstances.
If you find yourself leaderless, well, if you have any intelligence, you know what results.
With no leaders.
Good night, everybody, and God bless you all.
Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-berand!
Boy, I miscued that.
Jeff, that's not the one I wanted to take you out with at all.
So if you'll just hang on for just a split second here, I'll cue the other one up and we'll get it going and everything will just be hunky-dory.
Sorry about that.
Thank you.
Thank you.
.
I'm trying to save this country, and that guy, all he cared about was little poopy diapers, you little poopy diapers.
Want to help save this country and do a young person a great favor?
Buy them a shortwave radio and turn them on to the hour of the time.
Do it tomorrow.
I'll keep the vampires away in bed.
That's right, baby.
It's for all of you.
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