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March 3, 1995 - Bill Cooper
01:02:48
Branch Davidians #2
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- Light power, peace and peace. - Light power, peace and peace. peace and peace.
Please, let's have a good time.
Let's have a good boo-boo.
A good time.
The End
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Those who were murdered In the Waco Massacre.
We lamented the fact that they had not been able to give their side of the story.
Well, they did.
it.
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the little children, the not-so-little children, the teenagers and the adults, managed to put their thoughts on videotape shortly before the electricity was managed to put their thoughts on videotape shortly before the electricity was disconnected to their home,
And then, eventually, they were all murdered. - All right.
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And one day I found someone up to talk about this, and they told me someone was coming over from America, and we arranged to meet.
That person is so sweet, we sort of knew each other, and we had a study, and it wasn't so good at first, but I continued, and then I found that a few of my questions were being answered, and I continued.
And then when I say he's correct, he's answered all my questions.
And there's no doubt about the truth that we are missing.
We were missing before we met you and Brice.
There's been a lot of rumors and statements over the press that you're being held here against your will and is that true?
That's not true.
I have made my decision to come here because I have been shown the prophecies and we are looking forward to the truth being revealed to the world.
And that's why we come here to study as much as we can, so that we can also help others in the world to know His truth.
Okay.
So you have a vision of things better, maybe an eternal vision that you're calling.
Is that what you're saying?
Okay.
Did you get to see your daughter on the tape that was sent?
Yeah, I saw my daughter.
I wasn't very happy there.
Why not?
There weren't supervisors at all.
They were just allowed to just do what they liked.
The students are eating continuously and drinking.
We don't do that.
You mean you're on some kind of a program or a schedule for those things?
Yeah, every four hours to five hours.
And they don't eat and drink Cokes and lots of sweet things.
You know, not all the time.
They have some now and again.
But all those Cokes, it makes them very hyper, jumping about, not even realizing what they're doing.
Okay, were you happy to at least see your daughter?
Did they make an attempt at least to give you an opportunity to see her?
Yeah, I was grateful that they allowed us to see your children because we miss them so much.
Okay.
Is there anything you'd like to say to friends or family abroad or anywhere else?
To my family and friends, I'd just like to say I'm fine.
I know that you're all worried about us.
I'd just like to know that we're fine right now.
And everything is in the hands of God right now and he's just waiting on God.
Whatever happens, you know, it's the way that God wants it to be.
Okay.
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
I'd like to say that before the children are sent to their I'd like them to, to try to have some more control over them, to direct them if there's been something wrong, correct them, you know, while they're in their care.
Okay, that's a final thought.
Thank you, Shrita.
Okay, Shrita, I gave your name, of course, because that is your name, I would believe.
Yes, I am Shrita Dwarka.
Okay, and where are you from originally?
I'm originally from the Philippines, but I came to the United States in 1966-68.
And you're home most recently up... My home is recently from Hawaii to Hawaii.
Okay.
And what brings you to Waco, Texas?
I was, uh... I didn't come for the streets.
I didn't know anything about it.
I came with my husband.
And I only sat in the back for two, three years.
And as I was listening to it, it got my ear ringing.
It did?
So you didn't even come here then to want to know the Bible, or interest in God, or anything?
No, never.
Something religious then?
No, never.
Okay, but now, what about now?
Is anyone holding you against your will?
Do you want to leave?
What is your desire?
Nobody's holding me against my will, so anyway.
So you're here by choice still?
Yes.
You don't want to leave then?
No.
But I want my kids back too.
What I saw on that film, I wasn't very happy about it.
So you weren't either.
I would imagine, too, the same thing that we've been hearing about the response to the children?
Well, they haven't been directed, they haven't been directed on the film, they haven't been supervised or anything.
I really appreciated Damon's effort to take pictures and video them, but what I saw wasn't Have you learned anything from the Bible about how parents and children should be the relationship?
And does it seem to work?
It works with my kids.
Sometimes I'm black, but they're beautiful kids, all of them.
In fact, for those that are listening, whoever has children, we've learned from the book, especially the book of Prophets and the Bible is right, how one should be with their children and how there should be a consistency of constant love and caring shown to the child.
One should never give or use the hand on a child.
It should always be for hugging and loving.
And one should always stay with that program so that the child knows and learns exactly what they said.
Is that true?
Yes.
Is there anything else you might want to add or say to family, friends, or anything else?
I want to say to the children, I love you all.
I miss you.
I remember what we talked to.
And, um, your eating habits and everything, you're not supposed to eat when you're eating.
I'm not supposed to what?
Uh, eating water, but water.
Oh, drinking water.
Drinking water.
Okay.
Okay.
Anything else?
No.
I'm just hoping, um, that your relatives will inquire for them, or your family We'll go to them, whoever we wrote on those papers.
Okay.
Thank you, Sita.
Do you want to add something to say to her children?
Angelica, Christian, I love you very much.
And the rest of you, Vanessa, Natalie, you're the oldest of that group.
Behave and take care of those kids.
Okay?
Love you all.
And what might your name be?
And is that where you're from?
England.
England.
As with everyone else who's been asking the same question, what brings you over to Waco, Texas?
Long story.
Long story.
Um, my uncle was in college in England.
Alright.
Um, a guy by the name of Steve Schneider came over to England.
He was doing some laboratory studies.
My uncle went to the studies.
Without my knowing, my dad.
And, um, I never found out what was going on.
When my agent came, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said, he said
We basically were tired of all the prophecies of the Bible together, showing things that the Adventist church never showed me.
I was being there for 10 years.
I was thinking truth that nothing was telling me.
I knew that college was ministered and ministered while I was letting nothing.
How far did your husband advance in the college as to the Greeks?
Well, I'm sorry the world is concerned in advance.
Did you also become a minister for that denomination?
Do you have that?
Oh, yeah.
He's got a month of degree.
Did he also become a minister for that denomination?
Sure, anyway.
I was going to want to know what he had to say.
All right.
He started teaching the truth of the Bible, which is very kind of the belief.
Basically, they keep him out.
Yvette, do you want to leave here?
Why?
And are you also being forced against the will to stay here, keeping you from leaving?
Hey, listen, I came here freely.
I'm a free agent.
I came by myself.
I came my own way.
I came and I went and I agreed.
And I've decided to stay.
I've agreed.
My family know where I am.
They know I'm independent.
I never do anything they want anyway.
Basically, all I've said to them is, look, I'm old enough to take care of myself.
As long as you're supporting me, then that's all I need.
Okay.
And what about your children?
Where are they right now?
My children are out there.
Where?
Wherever.
Okay.
Out there in the world.
Because of the events of Sunday between me.
Um, two days after my son's fourth birthday.
Do you miss your children?
Well, hey, I'm a mother.
They were nice enough to video some of the children.
Did you get to see yours?
Yeah.
And the hard hair was cut.
They didn't have time to cut him.
I was furious that morning.
And Renee looked sad.
I know she wasn't angry, but I think that she was holding a smile.
Also, The treatment, the age of the children on the video was very bad.
They were given food that they didn't normally eat.
That makes them very hyperactive.
They were eating whatever they wanted, when they wanted.
They were starting, for instance, to keep television.
I thought that was a concern.
There was no constructive supervision of the children.
And the other thing was...
Well, basically, I was just upstairs regarding the kids.
I didn't want them out there in the first place.
I stayed them out there because I thought they wouldn't die and, you know, because of the wind and people coming in.
I sat in my bedroom and everything else with two children in my room.
So, I kept them out there for safety.
But, basically, those have been better off here.
Things have died here.
I mean, the kids have been in the habit of it.
Okay.
Is there anything else you'd like to say?
I just want to say to my family, thanks.
You know me.
I do my own thing.
Even if I die, you know I love you very much.
I'm not going to die on you, Daniel.
I just want you to believe in what I can do for you.
Can I just cut here?
I don't feel that.
I couldn't lie to the children about the story of Daniel.
And, um, his three friends in Babylon said that he used to come back to them.
Okay, please remember what happened.
Those guys were taken into Babylon against their will.
They didn't eat at the king's table.
They didn't touch the king's wine.
They ate what they knew God wanted them to eat.
And God gave them the blessing.
God works through those two children.
And, well, remember, God's watching over you, too.
You'll have it for purpose, kids.
Don't forget.
Those little four and fives won't ever need you.
Okay?
Okay, and what is your name, may I ask?
Doris Fagan.
Doris Fagan.
Doris, where are you from?
England, Nottingham.
Nottingham, England.
What brings you over to Waco, Texas?
Well, I've been in the Adventist Church for at least five, six years.
I've been spreading my Bible and teaching that the living in the church is to do the same thing.
Okay.
And I was told that there's somebody here to open the garden.
And I was very much interested to know.
So I go over to him.
And I will believe, for what it's worth.
Well, if you can't survive and I don't know what to do, I'll see what I can do.
Okay, and the rumor has gone around over the radio and the airwaves that you're being held against your will.
Do you have a desire to leave?
Would you like to leave?
No.
No.
I'm here because I wanted to be here.
You're here because you wanted to be here?
Yes.
So you want to continue to learn?
Of course!
Have you had any disappointments here as of recent times?
It's hard to say, because it is very important for people to hear what he's got to say, more than trying to put his word on our opinion.
It is not right, it's not right, because he's not doing things which is wrong, he's doing the right, he's trying to play his role, and I'm instructed him to listen to what he's got to say.
Is there anything else you'd like to say to friends, family, abroad, or elsewhere?
Well, my family in England, don't mourn for me.
I'm alright.
I'm alive.
I'm not dead.
I'm serving a true and living God that sits on the throne.
And if you do so, you can't die.
So, don't mourn.
God sits on the throne.
Anything else?
Okay, thank you.
We have over here, right next to you, and what is your name?
Samantha Richards.
And where are you from?
Okay.
And what brings you here to Lakewood, Texas?
Down how?
You're saying it's morals?
What brings you here to Lakewood, Texas?
Well, I have been in the church for over 30 years.
And I watched the church go down.
Down how?
Down to the church.
The moral and everything I've been in the church.
You're saying it's moral?
Yes.
And it's time to work.
I've been very loathe.
And I cried to God because I said there must be something that is better than this.
In the wilderness.
So I heard about Mr. Koresh who can hold 10 to 17.
And I have been reading Revelation and did not understand.
I kept asking about the seals and I was told that Revelation is a closed book and will only be open at the end of time.
I look around and I can see where if this is not the end of time, I don't know when.
So when I heard that he can open heaven's seal, I was so anxious to get here to listen to him.
When I came and heard him of strong words, I was convinced that he is a man of God and that he really is the one sent to open the seal.
That's why I'm here.
So you haven't been disappointed from the answers?
No.
I'm very happy I'm here.
Would you like to leave and are you being held against your will to leave?
Oh, no.
If I wanted to go, I could have gone a long time.
Okay, so no one's holding you against your will today?
No one's holding me against my will.
Okay.
Is there anything else you might want to add to family, friends?
Yes, I would like to tell my family and friends in Canada and also Jamaica that I'm alive and well and I'm happy.
I believe it is the safest place to be on Earth right now.
I'm here for the Word of God for the seven seals.
And it is my greatest desire for them to open their eyes, open their ears, and listen.
And I would be happy if they could be given the opportunity to listen to the seals, because it's all alive.
Okay.
Alright.
Thank you very much.
Dave?
This is Dave.
This is my female son.
And your name?
Nicole.
You're Nicole.
And, Nikki, where are you from?
I'm from Australia.
And what brings you to America?
Well, I came here to study the seven years.
David came over to Australia, and I lived in my house family in the city, but they left.
When you say these people that might be listening right now don't understand cliches, religious issues like truth or seven seals.
So, uh, you came here to see and understand something which you thought might be the truth?
Is that it?
I've seen things that I haven't seen before.
Every question I've ever had has been answered, and I've seen the whole book, the Bible, I've seen every question.
I've spoken to scholars that have not been able to answer.
And even before you came to hear David here and sit down and study with him, did you have opportunity to go through any institutions of higher learning before this?
I was in a college doing a diploma, and I do have questions.
I do take a lot of questions.
So it was a religious college?
Yes.
Okay.
Do you have any desire to leave here, and are you being held against your will to do so if you did?
I am not being held against my will.
I desire to stay here.
I do not want to leave.
Nicky, I know that you mentioned that you wanted to say a few words because of an incident that happened about 10 days ago, which happened with now left.
Did you want to say anything about that?
I'm very disappointed.
The whole incident.
But yeah, it's marriage from a woman, and they've shot my brother.
If they left this morning, they wouldn't take his body out and bury it.
He's been buried up before the prophet mill.
I mean, I thought this was the country of freedom of speech, being a little bit of reason, whatever.
And just too much distance.
It was just very, too much.
Yes.
Is there anything you want to say other than that to those that might be watching, viewing, or to family, friends, and work?
I'd like to say to my mom, Marlene.
Mom, I really don't understand this, and I know you're going to help understand, but please, always tell me not to cry, and that's what I want to say.
In the end, you will understand everything.
Anything else, Mickey?
Okay, thank you.
Just with us, and what may your name be?
My name is Mickey.
And your?
Melissa.
Melissa?
And Rose, Melissa, you two seem to be the two controversial persons that the agency wanted to know about because they believe that you, Melissa, wanted to leave and you were being kept against your will.
Maybe we should get into that first.
So, Rose, Melissa, what was that all about the other night?
Well, Dick and Oceania, or the actual agent from there, I don't know if you want to think I can hardly hear you.
I hope that it comes across on the camera.
So anyway, let's ask a question to Melissa.
I can hardly hear you.
I hope that it comes across on the camera.
Yes.
So anyway, let's ask the question to Melissa.
Melissa, do you want to leave here?
No.
You don't?
Are you sure?
Did you tell Dick on the phone though that you would leave if they allowed a Robert Gonzales?
Do you remember that name?
Robert Gonzales?
They asked you if David could talk to him, then they asked you, would you leave then?
And what did you say?
No.
But what about now?
Do you want to leave now?
Are you sure?
Yeah.
Is anybody, is your mom holding you against your will right now?
Are you sure?
You're positive you want to stay here?
I don't know what else we can say or how we can ask it, but if you want to leave, we would let you leave.
Do you think that's true?
Okay.
What do you have to say about that, Rose?
Okay, well I can understand that.
Especially in relation to what's all happened here very recently.
Um, so why did you come here again in the first place, uh, Rose?
Why did you come here again in the first place, Rose?
- Well, it's a long story to sound brilliant.
- Yeah, Katie, as brief as possible.
- Well, I'll say, a couple of years ago, well, I was raised in the business place, and I can just move to the position having this is our friend, and I'm moving to the Bible.
And, um, a friend of mine has my hand, and he said that there's someone that can show you things from the Bible that's different than what I say, or what I think is important and understood.
And I thought, well, that's what everyone would listen anyway.
And so, I took that day off and came back.
And I've not been disappointed with what I've heard.
Okay.
Uh, do you want to leave yourself?
No.
Are you being held against your will?
Of course not.
Of course not.
Okay.
Uh, so the reason you stay, then, is, what are you, is there some reason why you're staying here, even in the, uh, very, for the very reason that there, there could be harm to your own person and to your daughter?
Why would you even chance something like that?
Well, there's no harm here.
The reason why I stay here is, like, for, uh, someone that can earn some property.
No.
Why haven't you walked out already?
Why haven't you walked out already?
What are you waiting for?
Okay, well the federal service has been said to wait for lunch, so we've been seeing events that take place.
We could just perform this, the bottom of the ceremony.
So I don't want to do it.
And we also today have another group with us, but I guess it doesn't appear like they're out here, so we'll just wait a moment, just a second.
It appears to be a family, and where is this family from?
I'm from England.
You're from England.
And what is your last name?
Henry.
Henry.
Would you like to give your first name, starting with the young lady to the far left?
Your right.
Diana.
Diana?
I'm Phil.
I'm Paulina.
I'm Steven.
I'm Vanessa.
I'm Britta.
And what brings you all the way from England, the nice lovely home of which I've seen and been in, what brings you to America to a place called Waco, Texas?
Waco, Waco, Texas.
Anybody want to speak first?
I've always wanted to know how to sound the Bible.
I want you to know about the 7th field.
When I met somebody who showed me the 7th field, my pastors, my ministers, I was a former secondary preacher.
Nobody showed me.
And now I find what I've been looking for.
So you haven't been even slightly disappointed?
Not at all.
Have you asked the hardest questions that you ever possibly could ask in regards to anything religious?
I have, and they couldn't tell me anything.
They just kept saying, it's wrong, it's wrong, but they couldn't tell me where it was wrong.
Have you ever had anybody, or have you ever seen in your experience in those past... You're being held against your will.
Does anyone here want to leave, or are you being held against your will?
No way.
And what is your choice then?
What would you like to do as a leading or a stage?
I'd like to stay.
As long as he says to stay, I'll stay.
And go ahead.
As far as I'm concerned, I'm going nowhere.
I'm staying right here because I believe that where I am is the right place.
And that's, you know, we're family here and, you know, I really like it here.
I know that I'm not going to be leaving it, so.
What I'd like to say is that I know the people in Auburn.
They thought that I was wrong.
I'm sitting here and that is not here at all.
This is my own choice.
I want to stay here.
I've come here and I want to stay here.
This is where I want to stay and I don't want to eat.
Okay.
This is a life and best situation.
And I want to live this family.
And I would like my sisters, my mom and my friends not to worry about us because they are okay.
And I wish when this is revealed that they would listen to and they'd take me.
Okay, so this seems to be a very important issue to you that you are being over here and you are hearing and seeing the Bible.
So you're looking to something other than what the world might understand, to things that you don't see with your physical eyesight.
Okay.
Is there anything else anyone would like to say in regards to family, to friends, or about any other issues?
Well, I'd like to say that I know that there's a lot of my friends in England who are probably going to be worried about what I'm doing here.
But I'd like to just know that I'm fine.
Kids are going to be alright and I think we're going to win this.
I don't think I am nervous at all since I'm here.
Do you hold any animosity or anything against anybody anywhere?
No, I don't hold anything.
Okay.
Anything else you might want to add?
I'd like to say hello to my grandma and I'd like to tell you not to worry.
Um, you know, I'm not held here as a hostage or anything.
If anyone wants to leave, we can just go now, today.
You know, we've been back and forth here for three weeks.
I'd just like to tell you not to worry, and that I will see you soon.
We're all three more, aren't we?
I'm sure.
I know.
I'd just like to say that Mr. Curtis has been the most intelligent person I've ever met.
It's nothing like what the media has taught him to be.
So you would wish that and you desire that they would even have an open accent to be able to ask any kind of question of any subject matter?
Mm-hmm.
Okay, well maybe someday that'll be able to be happening.
I don't know.
I'd also like to say to my friends that a lot of you know that I approach young Christians and really you could show me anything.
You know that I approach the ministry and I'd like to say keep an open ear.
Okay.
Is that it?
Thank you.
Okay.
When you are given the opportunity to listen, you can open your ears.
Anything else?
I'd like to say to Mr. Henry that what he's been saying should make this error.
But she would listen at this time and that she would find the deal is true in this message.
Okay.
Is that it?
Thank you.
Okay, yes, Victoria.
And Ophelia, what brings you here to Waco, Texas?
Well, I think I...
I heard about this man that was teaching the 7th to you.
And I was always looking for some more truths that the church didn't have.
And so you approached him to be able to open up much to you?
Yes.
It's been said that you're being held against your will, that you're not able to leave.
Do you desire to leave or are you being held against your will?
I have decided to stay.
I don't want to go.
So you're not being held against your will here?
No.
You also mentioned to me a little earlier that you wanted to say something to your son who is not here and what might that be?
Well, yes.
I wanted to tell my son that I got his message and not to worry because new things have to happen.
Remember that I taught and I taught you that prophecy has to be fulfilled and the time has come.
Okay.
Is there anything else you might want to say to anyone else?
Also to my family in Mexico.
Uh, they don't have to worry about it because they know that these prophecies have to be fulfilled.
And I want, I want to send, uh, some, uh, uh, my love to them and, uh, also my mother.
And, uh, I want them to read, uh, Nahum.
And... The Book of Nahum.
Yeah, the Book of Nahum.
And, uh, the, uh, Habakkuk, Psalm 45.
Isaiah 45.
Okay.
Thank you very much for appearing here.
My name is Derek Lovelock.
And where are you from, Derek?
I'm from England.
What brings you here?
Well, I read that a man that can open the book of religion in 17 years.
The book meaning the Bible?
The Bible, yes.
Have you been disappointed?
No.
Have you done any other study of other denominations or religion in the world?
I was a seminarian then in 17 years.
What were you before that?
I was an evangelical in Venice.
Okay.
Do you want to leave here?
No, I don't want to leave here.
I feel quite safe here.
There's no reason for me to leave.
Is someone holding you here against your will?
No, nobody's holding me against my will.
Okay.
Also, it's been mentioned that there's a number that would like to leave here.
Would you like to see this resolved peaceably?
Yes, I would.
And so your hope still is that it will be?
Yeah, that is my home.
Have you noticed that to be the tenor and the attitude of those people that are here?
Yeah.
Okay, we have not brought that issue up so we should bring it up now.
Is there anything else you might want to say to family and friends?
I'd just like to say hello to my family back in England.
Not to worry, I'm in good faith.
So, this is the end time now for me to be fulfilled of the Sweet Ninja's resolution.
Okay, thank you.
I just want to tell you that I've been involved and seen a lot of illusions, and they're all bogus, and I'm all cool with it.
This is the truth.
I know this is the truth.
And for anybody that knows me, you know that I wouldn't be into something that I didn't think was right.
And don't worry about me, because anything is okay.
Are you being, real quickly, are you being held against your will?
No, not at all.
Do you have a desire to leave here?
No.
You don't?
No.
Thank you, Lisa.
You're welcome.
I'm Scott Sunobi, and I'm not being held here against my will.
I want my father, Ken Sunobi, in Honolulu to get my kids.
If you're watching, I want you to have my two daughters, Angelica and Crystal Sunobi.
And do you have a phone number you might want to give them again?
It's 808- 6, 8, 9, 4, 4, 5, 7.
Anything else you might want to say?
Don't worry about me.
I'll be good.
I'll be ready just fine.
Just take control.
Okay, thank you.
I have to comment here because we're running out of time and this is only an hour's tape.
This is Steve Schneider that has been filming, by the way.
It's probably been quite a few.
The comment is that there are a lot more people that did want to talk, but knowing that, I would have used a longer tape, so we might pick up on this a little later.
Many of the men here have not obviously come to the camera and spoken.
There are still a number of others, but the overall tenor and the attitude is here is that people do not want to read knowing it's being held against their will.
So we might get into some other subject matters here in another day or two.
So we'll be in touch and we thank you for your patience and we're trying to work this out with you.
And, uh, we'll do the best we can, but remember, the God of David Clare said, wait, and that's basically what we're doing.
Uh, not to be against or to offend anyone else or to slow down any process, but we do believe in a living God, as Revelation 7 shows.
Thank you and we will pass this on to you.
Kathy's back and you wanted to make one final statement and you didn't earlier because why?
I didn't want to say anything earlier.
I didn't have an emotional composure.
I want to add one more thing if I may.
Bear with me.
Okay, you've got a second.
Sunday, my husband was killed by ATF agents.
I want everyone to know.
But that was totally a threat.
He was just coming home to his family.
He didn't kill anybody.
That's all.
Okay.
Well, that's a lot.
Thank you.
This is David Koresh, Steve Schneider filming.
The date today is the 8th, which is Monday, the 8th of March.
It is about 430 in the afternoon.
David, anything you'd like to say?
First of all, I'd like to thank the negotiators that we've been discussing with on the phone.
We're finishing up on a very articulate portrait of what we perceive each of these Fine gentleman to be.
I'd like to share with you some of my family, seeing that, of course, obviously everyone in the world knows something about it.
And we just thought we'd kind of break the ice and allow people to see just exactly, you know, what kind of people we have here.
Let's start off, first of all, with my oldest son.
His name is Cyrus.
Come sit over here, son.
How old are you?
Seven.
Say hello to everybody.
Hi.
What do you think about all this, girl?
No?
You don't know?
You have faith in God?
Yes.
Okay.
And the way you talk to your friends out there?
Say thank you to the people on the outside.
What would you like to have?
If you could have anything right now, what would you like to have?
Um... I don't know.
You don't know?
Would you like to ride your motorcycle today?
No.
Huh?
How come you don't have a motorcycle?
I've got a motorcycle.
Anyway, say hello to Jim.
Say hi, Jim.
Hi, Jim.
Hello, John.
Hello, John.
Gary.
Gary.
Henry.
Henry.
John.
Okay, we'll talk to these people later, okay?
Okay, who's your assistant?
Huh?
So, do you want to come talk a little bit?
Ready?
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you happy?
Yeah.
Thanks for the milk, too.
You don't drink milk, do you?
Who drinks the milk?
Okay, thanks for the milk.
Come on, Sarge.
What are you doing here?
Hey, Sarge.
Show them Daddy's face.
You're my love baby, right?
Huh?
You love daddy?
You love all your friends on the outside?
You want to see them soon?
Okay, you look good?
You're a good girl?
Say hello, son.
Thanks for the milk.
Say it loud.
What would you like to do today if you could do anything you wanted to?
Go on a plane?
Okay.
Anything else to say?
Hmm?
You don't know?
It's funny looking at the camera, isn't it?
Okay.
Wait till goodbye.
How old are you?
Five.
Okay.
Bye-bye.
Love you.
There's our little baby.
Where's Papa at?
Hi, Papi.
Bobby's our little clown here.
Wave at the camera, Bobby.
Wave at the camera.
Wave, there you go.
Bobby's our little clown here.
Wave at the camera, Bobby.
Wave at the camera.
Wave.
There you go.
Say hello.
Hello.
Thank you.
Hello.
Hello.
How old are you, Bobby?
Huh?
How old are you?
One?
I'm one year old.
What would you like to do today besides drink some of that milk they sent you, huh?
Want to drink some milk?
Huh?
Want some buh-buh?
Want some milk?
Huh?
Want some num-nums?
No.
Why, do you have some milk yet?
Huh?
Okay, give me a big kiss.
Give me a big kiss.
Give me a big kiss.
Okay.
Thank you.
Okay, go to Mama.
Oh.
Okay, go to Mama, Bobby.
No.
Over here.
Okay, go to Mommy.
Come on.
Love you.
Come on, Baylen.
Hey, hot rod.
Say hello.
You gotta wave at the camera there.
What's your name?
Baylen.
Baylen, how old are you?
Huh?
Three?
What's your mama's name?
Huh?
Mickey?
Oh, you can talk real good.
Tell them your ABCs.
One.
Why?
Now I know my wife.
Why would you come and sing with me?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Say if you want Jake and all of them to come and sing ABC's with you, son.
Huh?
You love your daddy?
How much do you love me?
Alright, huh?
Three?
You love me three?
No more than three?
Okay.
Anyway, is that everything?
Love you.
Okay, go get your sister.
Okay.
Hey, Pages.
What you doing?
Pages, look.
Pages.
Look, look.
Pages, come here.
Come here.
Oh, you want to play with that one?
Huh?
You want to play with this one?
Oh, she does see this young one, too, huh?
Yeah, this is our little girl, Pages.
She's sweetie, huh?
She's from Argentina.
She's an Australian baby.
Half American, half Australian.
You wanna sing?
Pages.
Clap your hands, Pages.
Clap.
Clap.
Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to the man that the government called a child molester you're listening to the man that the government called a child molester and a Thank you.
We're going to let this tape run on satellite as long as we can.
Unfortunately, you'll be cut off at the end of the hour by WWCR.
Remember, if you'd like to order copies of this tape, Oh my God, I need to be going.
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Send them to the Intelligence Service, Post Office Box 1420, Sholo, Arizona, 85901.
How much fun are you doing?
At my parents' house.
And, um, that's another one for us.
Thank you for listening to us.
I'm sorry.
Well, I mean, I came over to get you, didn't I?
Yeah.
And who knew about it?
Everyone knew about it but me.
But I've met you through your support, haven't I?
And of course, you have nothing to do with me whatsoever, right?
No, but always, always do.
You know, we've been teaching, trying to teach some of our friends here in the FBI, the seven seals.
And, uh, the seven seals are, uh, really pretty deep, aren't they, Nick?
Um, yeah.
Very deep.
They're like any other theology in the world you've ever had to offer.
And that's why it was a challenge in regards to, you know, the question is, what am I doing?
What am I doing with all these children, you know?
What's really going on here?
Well, you know, God is God, and this nation is supposed to honor and serve God.
It doesn't mean God would set us on our conscience.
And these children that I have are for a reason.
And unless we really have the ears and the eyes to open ourselves up to be able to read, really read the scriptures, and understand the prophecies in the light of the seven seals, The exclamation came almost quickly.
But anyway, hopefully God's got enough time to be able to open these things up more thoroughly.
This is serious stuff here.
And I love them.
Do you love them, too?
Thank you.
Say hi, Jim.
Hi, Jim.
I spoke to him on the phone.
Hello.
Hello.
Okay.
What would you like to do today, Gigi?
You know, what do you like to do?
Who are you?
Who are you?
Mariana is before?
I don't know.
Daddy.
Am I a real person making you?
No.
No.
We'll see you later.
One of the things that you may not be aware of, ladies and gentlemen, is David Kress is seriously wounded.
He has a bullet in his side and he has a bullet wound in his left hand.
It's painfully obvious as you watch him on the tape and you see how he struggles to move during the entire time on the tape.
He is sitting up on a bed.
Whenever he has to move, you can see that it's extremely painful and he holds his hand in a manner So as to keep from touching or bumping anyone or anything to prevent the extreme pain that his bullet wounds are causing.
Remember that everyone that you are hearing on this tape is dead.
This is their testimony to the world.
A repeated reference to the milk, ladies and gentlemen, is the milk sent in by the county sheriff for the children, of which David Koresh and all the Branch Davidians were extremely thankful for.
I named every one of these children, and as a person observed the nature of these children, they would see that their names were given to them ahead of time.
They're perfectly fulfilled.
In my life, she likes to talk like a minor bird, right?
A little minor bird.
Thank you.
So, can you say your A.D.C.?
Well, that still means it.
Okay.
Maybe they'll come and sing with us someday, okay?
Okay?
Okay, I love you, Myra.
Well, that's her mother.
Okay.
Maybe they'll come and sing with her someday, okay?
Okay?
Okay, love you, Myrna.
Okay, bye-bye.
Sit down.
Thank you.
What's an elephant, Kathy?
I don't know.
Here's the kicker.
This is the male.
Do you want to jump up and down?
These are jumpers.
This is a very athletic little girl.
This is Chanel.
And, uh... Oh, and, uh... Androni?
We tried to tell you that if you would give us time to give you studies, everything I would let you know.
Remember that, Isabel?
But like a lot of people, if you get too hasty, and look, what we do, people would not understand naturally at first.
Now, look at you.
Maybe your grandma might see this now.
Say hello.
Come on.
Look over here.
She's always fascinated with me.
Oh.
There she goes.
Okay.
So here's your little grandbaby, Isabel.
He's happy.
You know, all of our children are here.
You've seen them.
They're all happy.
We have our little combination of child development that no one else in the world has.
You understand?
And I'm like this?
And she goes... Here, take something.
No, we'll hold this.
Let's explain to them while we're in this odd situation here.
It's okay.
Well, we believe something that the world needs to know.
We were in the seventh field from God, which God gave to His servant, the Lamb.
Luke was given to the Lamb, who was in the seventh field, and He gave it to His servant.
He signed it six times by His angel.
Read Revelation 4 and 5.
Read Revelation 4.
So, I'm simply living a candidate saying, you've got your business, you've got your business, your business, your business, your business, your business, your business, you have all forms of nominations. your business, your business, your business, you have all forms And hey, they've read the Bible.
I'm only 33 years old now.
And, you know, you can take my records of the Bible.
I'm not even a good person, but like I say, if I want to go to the Patriarch, each church, I want to make sure they're connected with God, the true and living God.
So the test I've been offering you individuals is very simple.
God offers it.
If there's a revelation of Jesus beyond Mackie, Mark, Luke, and John's revelation, When John states the revelation pertaining to a God, a book, and it's seven little previews, seven fields, which, when there's time allotted, these subjects must be brought to view as God in charge of the prophets.
So, where in the prophetic writings from Moses to Malachi are the seven fields contained?
Now, he cannot show me.
Isaiah the prophet said, nobody can but the Lamb.
Well, then, if you don't want to learn, if you want me to show you, you'll learn.
You won't understand these babies.
You won't understand such a Zacharias testimony, or Mike the Shepherd, Chief Scabbard, or Hannibal the Little One.
I mean, there are some things that God has concealed in His written Word that are to be brought to you right before the end of time, that men might see whether they can learn the lesson the Jews never learned.
The Jews didn't want to learn nothing.
If it wasn't for the hierarchy, if it wasn't for the Sanhedrin Authority, they didn't want to learn it.
So anyway, we had to cancel again until recently we got shot up.
But anyway, this is my family and no one's going to come in on top of my family and start pushing my family.
This is not going to happen.
It ain't going to happen.
And I think we've made this very clear.
Especially when we have a God on our side that lets us know a thing before time.
Or anyway, like I said, you don't understand, so... You do understand this, though.
It's innocent.
oh at this point ladies and gentlemen david koresh is in extreme pain and he is beginning to give in to his obvious anger For those of you listening on shortwave, good night.
God bless you all.
For those listening on satellite, we will continue to broadcast until we are cut off or until the tape ends.
We'll be right back.
Oh, you can see it anyway.
It's kind of painful.
Oh, you ain't nothing but a dumb guy like me.
It's just flesh.
It heals.
Thanks for the sushi the other day.
This thing here, boy, it was... It was knocked out.
Just clean cut straight through there and plowed the skin flat and I cut some of the skin back.
They're all scabbed on the inside.
Can you turn that hand a little bit and see what we've got there?
Oh, it's... It's really nothing.
Okay.
I made all the, the thumb down here.
We'll see.
Daddy's little girl.
Here's the controversial young lady.
She's my little lady.
Her name is Serenity.
Why?
She's serene.
Very.
Very serene.
Do you know what that is there?
It's a camera.
You want to lay down?
It's a little gym.
You want a breakfast?
Put your hands down.
What do you like for breakfast?
Huh?
You like ice cream?
You love dad ice cream?
Huh?
How much do you love daddy?
Not very much.
Well, it's a lot!
How come you're so, how come you're so tiny?
Huh?
You don't know?
How old are you?
Huh?
Four?
Three?
Four?
How old?
Oh, listen to me.
Listen to me.
Shuttle down.
Shuttle the camera.
Stay there that minute.
Where do you want to grow up and be?
You want to grow up and be a woman?
Well, that's highly probable.
Do you have a kiss?
I love you.
Are you going to get your sister?
Okay.
It's a little one, right?
Come on.
Come on.
You should go sit down with her.
No.
Go sit down with her.
Go ahead.
I'm not afraid of her.
You want to go first?
Come on, you go first.
I can't do it.
No, you don't.
Okay.
Go sit down with her.
Come on.
What do you say?
Nothing.
Nothing.
No.
What do you say?
Come on.
Come over here, Daddy.
Daddy, sit down.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Be careful.
Say, smile at the camera.
Smile.
Smile.
Say, little one and small one.
Smile.
Wave.
Wave.
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