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March 2, 1995 - Bill Cooper
59:40
Chris Johnson & Branch Davidians
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You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
I was just listening to Radio Freemasonry, ladies and gentlemen, and I heard that they found 1,000 POWs and MIAs in Vietnam. - Huh.
Not.
Nope.
Once again, the only place you ever get the truth is right here on the Hour of the Time.
Ex-Congressman Bill Hinden is in Thailand.
He claims that he has absolute proof that there are two, two American servicemen from the Vietnam War, still alive, in Vietnam.
He has applied for a visa in order to go and check on his information and his proof, and the Vietnamese have denied his visa.
That's the real story.
And, as usual, if you want the real story, always hang around for the hour of the time.
Otherwise, you're going to go to bed with a bunch of bullshit in your head.
Folks, I'm going to tell you right now.
If you don't stay glued to your radio tonight, you're going to regret it for the rest of your life.
In the first half hour, we have a guest, Mr. Chris Johnson from the state of Utah.
In the second half hour, you're going to hear something you never dreamed you would ever hear.
Thank you.
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Chris, welcome to the Hour of the Times.
Thank you.
Good evening.
And you have quite a story to tell, don't you?
Yes, sir, I do.
Well, without wasting any time, why don't we get right into it.
Why don't you tell everybody who you are, where you're from, and exactly what has happened that's brought you here.
Yes, sir.
I'm Chris Johnson.
I'm from Utah, Utah County, and I work as an exploration geologist.
I've spent the last 15 years exploring for metaliferous ore deposits throughout the basin and range, and I'm well seasoned in that region of the country.
And one mining district that I've been working in over the last year brought me to An experience that has left a profound effect on my way of thinking about the present circumstances in our nation today.
And where exactly were you at when this first incident took place?
I was out in the Tintic Mountains of the Basin and Range of Utah.
This is about 100 miles south and east of Salt Lake City.
And you were engaged in geologic exploration?
Yes, sir.
I was doing geologic research gathering field data on a high rocky ridge.
This is about six months ago as I was perched upon this rocky ridge overlooking a small mine camp and a gulch about Three or four hundred feet below me, I heard to the west of me numerous helicopters.
And I didn't think much of that because I had seen many military activities with aircraft and ground operations in the West Desert of Utah, in Nevada.
And so this time didn't seem any more unusual than any other.
Until as I was able to obtain a visual fix on these choppers out in the far valley to the west of me, I saw that out of loose formation came a lone chopper.
It flew straight towards the canyon that I was over.
And as it flew into the canyon, I was merely just amused until Thereafter, I became rather disturbed to see that it was hovering within 30 or 40, maybe 20 feet over the roofs of inhabited homes of this little mine camp community where there were maybe 15 or 20 families living.
And it would fly over various homes at such close proximity.
I know FAA air law prohibits such flights over civilian residences.
As a matter of fact, there's a 500-foot ceiling that prohibits aircraft from flying below that 500-foot level.
At any rate, I was very disturbed about this.
These are good people.
They're friends that I know in this canyon.
Well, being the contrary type of person I am at times, I decided to take my Brunton Transit out.
And I began to flash sunlight off of the mirror in the sky.
I attracted a little attention there.
helicopter.
Well, perhaps hindsight's better than foresight.
You made somebody a little bit upset, didn't you?
I attracted a little attention there.
Pretty soon, the chopper tipped steeply.
It pitched steeply and climbed very rapidly up to the ridge where I was at, and it was about 40 or 50 feet from me that it turned broadside.
The doors on the chopper were open, and there was a man there training a machine gun on me, and I was about ready to piss in my britches.
I was All I could think to do was to give the gentleman a salute, and expecting that perhaps that would ease the tension, and it didn't.
His appearances were stoic, the barrel cape was trained on me, and then it appeared as though a gentleman kneeled out and over around the side with what looked like a camera in the process of taking photographs.
And he was taking photographs of you?
It appeared to be so, sir.
I just froze, kept in a saluting stance, and he began then to bank around me, pivot around me, and as he did so, one of the outstanding characteristics about this chopper is that there are absolutely no markings on the chopper whatsoever, and it was in broad, bright sunlight that I was able to see that it was not a dark green chopper, but a flat black chopper.
And then it proceeded as it pivoted around me to dive back into the valley and out through the bottom of the gulch and to the west again.
And that wasn't the end of it, but rather the beginning of a long train of events that eventually cost you your employment.
Well, sir, at least for a temporary situation, I've taken leave of absence.
And what occurred thereafter is more disturbing than what occurred on this certain day.
I immediately descended to the bottom of the canyon and found one of my co-workers.
And he, too, had seen the choppers flying at the bottom of the gulch.
I expressed to him what had happened at the top of the ridge.
And we were both astounded.
About a week or so later, he expressed that he had talked to an individual who was affiliated with a Utah Air Guard.
And it was expressed to this fellow worker of mine that there were quite a few various military aircraft flying into the Dugway Tooelea military base complex area.
And that as they arrived into that area, that various aircraft.
and employees of the facilities would paint these choppers flat black primer paint, and then they would be distributed to various federal government agencies for other types of uses rather than conventional military use. and then they would be distributed to various federal government So what you're saying is that various agencies in the United States government, not military, are now flying flat black painted aircraft?
Apparently so, sir.
and this went even further.
I was Soon you were approached by some friends that you knew who told you that there were There was quite a bit of activity in an area where they had a cabin and why don't you take it from me and relax.
I know you're very nervous and nobody's going to hurt you here as you well know.
You're protected.
This whole facility tonight is protected by the militia and armed men are all over the area.
Nobody's going to come in here and hurt you or take what the people are going to hear later.
So just relax and recount your story.
I have grown very close to some of the people that I work with out in the West Desert.
They're very level-headed people.
You'll find that most folk of the Intermountain West, ranchers, miners, prospectors, sheep herders, they tend to be real level-headed folk.
You have to have some solidity to your character to make it out there in that rough country.
At any rate, these folks, I heard them in conversation one evening about some astounding things that were going on in their lives out there in the West Desert.
As I moved in on the conversation, I expressed this circumstance that had occurred to me up on the ridge with the chopper, and they expressed that I had not seen anything.
That if I wanted to see some interesting activity, that I needed to come out there to the West Desert at night.
That I couldn't come out for just any particular night, but the activity was rather random, so I needed to come out for a period of several weeks.
So I did.
I camped out, and many nights passed, and I began to more or less give up any hope of seeing the kind of activity that they had described.
Until one night, all of a sudden, the valley was filled with choppers, and they began to knock on the cabin door saying, Chris, it's coming.
So we barreled out on the side of the mountain and the valley had choppers flying, this was at night, flying all over the valley bottom along the sides of the mountains.
And it appeared to be also low-flying jet aircraft flying down through the valley.
And there's a railroad sliding out there, apparently a train with flatbed cars had rolled up And some kind of equipment was being offloaded and taken by transports out to the West Desert and quite a bit of activity.
Of course, it was dark with only a crescent moon.
And as I remember, thinking to myself, well, boy, this is unusual.
This not taking place on a military reservation.
And where are they taking all of this activity and gear out to the west?
I did not know.
But it wasn't until the next day after that that one of the workers who was supposed to show up to work the next morning, he finally arrived back to work.
And I asked this gentleman, where were you?
We needed you to work yesterday.
And he said, well, I've been hiding out in the mountains all night long.
I went back into town to fetch some supplies and pulled in.
As I came back out, I turned my engine over and the oil pressure was low.
Well, he got outside of the truck there and looked out on the pavement, and there was a pool of oil there.
He looked up underneath the vehicle, and the oil plug was pulled out.
Well, he said, well, that can't be because we've changed that oil, and we put that plug in there tight.
Well, so he went back down the road, got some oil, came back, filled the crankcase up with oil, and started to proceed down the road.
Well, as he's pulling out of the parking lot, He had noticed over not too far down the way some dark colored Chevy Blazers or Ford Broncos, that type of vehicle.
And they had numbers printed on them, but you can't remember any other insignia other than numbers printed on them.
Well, he started taking down the road out to the West Desert again, and he looked in his rear-view mirror, and these vehicles were following him.
So he decided, well, he better just, uh, put the metal to the pedal.
So he started going like a bat out of Hades, and they followed suit.
And he knew there was a chase on him, so he started going out into the desert to try to leave these individuals.
He turned off onto a BLM road, got up into some Jeep trails, put it in four-wheel drive, and headed up into the mountains and drove his truck into a gulch.
He tried to conceal himself as best as he could.
And not more than within a half hour, 45 minutes, there were choppers on that mountain flying all within the vicinity where he had left these other vehicles in pursuit of him.
And he stayed there all night long into the early morning trying to evade whoever was trying to catch him.
Yeah.
At any rate, one of the other individuals who had gotten rather bold, who had gone down into this one valley, had approached this area of high activity, and he saw individuals out in the valley dressed in some type of a cloaking, and they had what he thought was funny-looking goggles on their faces, and he yelled out at them and asked them,
Uh, what's going on?
And they didn't answer him anything.
They just, uh, were very, very quiet.
They just froze in position.
He asked them again, what's going on out here?
We're just kind of curious as to what's happening out here.
And, um, no answer.
So he started to feel a little bit uncomfortable.
So he started walking very fast back to his vehicle.
And, uh, well, uh, just about a month ago, that same individual they found out in the desert, About one in the morning, firing his pistol into the air, expressing, they're coming after me, they're coming to get me.
And that fellow has completely lost his mind.
At any rate... He was just an ordinary... Yes, this was a very ordinary fellow.
All of the people I work with are just very down to earth people.
And who I work with day in, day out, and at any rate, the fundamental message I think that ought to come from this, and that is that yes, it's one thing to see what one would think as standard military exercises in the West Desert.
It's another thing for civilians to be harassed.
To have choppers flying well below the 500-foot level, flying within 20, 30 feet of the roofs of people's homes, for machine guns to be trained on law-abiding citizens, for people to be harassed and pursued, and there is something fundamentally wrong
I don't fully understand personally the implications, but I have seen what I've seen, my colleagues have experienced and seen what they have seen, and it lays at that.
You expressed to me another experience that actually happened to a law enforcement friend of yours.
Would you care to tell our listeners what happened to him?
Yes, sir.
There's a law enforcement agent in Utah who attended a meeting in Salt Lake City where apparently there was a large number of both federal and state county law enforcement agents congregated.
And in that meeting, this one law enforcement agent that I know was astounded at what was revealed in this meeting.
He thought that the meeting was going to address the war on drugs or game problems.
Well, to his surprise, the individuals who were conducting the meeting from the federal government began to provide them a character profile.
The profile that they iterated was one that was supposed to be quote-unquote, a potential danger to the national security.
At any rate, this profile consisted of these characteristics.
People who are, quote, Bible-believing fundamentalist Christians, who have a strong belief in the Second Advent of Christ, people who have strong beliefs in the Constitution of the United States as
Defined and clearly outlined by the founding fathers in the anti- and federalist papers, people who have homeschool, people who quote-unquote hoard food, people who have strong survivalist leanings
That these people are thought to be unstable and that they need surveillance, that there needs to be some kind of effort to monitor these individuals.
And that was quite disturbing to this individual because, as a matter of fact, You'd find that the great preponderance of people in Utah and throughout the Intermountain West tend to fit that very description.
That's correct, they do.
This is all very disturbing and I have to caution you, ladies and gentlemen, We know that the activity that he's talking about involving helicopters and troops and things in the valleys in the western central portion of the state of Utah are happening because, as you know, I have a large intelligence network and we've been getting these reports from many people for a long time.
The other reports that he's giving us are coming second-hand from other people that he knows, and you should pay attention to this and set it in the back of your mind with a question mark on it as something that's not verified, but something that, if true, could have serious consequences for all of us.
So just remember, on this broadcast, we always separate facts from what we cannot prove, and we make sure that you know the difference between the two.
This gentleman, Chris, is an extremely nice, well-dressed gentleman.
And by well-dressed, I don't mean in a suit and tie.
I mean clean and normal type of person who is really concerned.
About what he and his friends have experienced, and I have to tell you, if any of that had happened to me, I would tell them.
Thank you, Chris, for coming and sharing this experience with us.
I think it's important that people know that these things are real and that they are happening, and that similar experiences are happening in the western portion of the state of New Mexico, not too far from where I sit.
The same thing happens.
Helicopters and troops come into a certain valley.
A train pulls in.
Heavy equipment is offloaded and disappears into the hills.
Chris, thank you very much.
For everybody else out there listening, don't go away, because the second half of this broadcast is going to frost you.
You're not going to believe, ladies and gentlemen, what you're going to hear.
You see, everybody thinks that nothing came out of Waco.
The truth is, the Branch Davidians made a videotape.
The videotape is two hours long.
They made it shortly after the original attack on their church in Waco, Texas, before the power was severed to their buildings.
All of the people in this videotape are now dead, including the children.
It is their testimony, the testimony that no one has ever heard before.
This videotape is two hours in length.
You're going to hear approximately thirty-three minutes of this tape.
Thirty-three minutes.
We've got to get this tape out.
We have already disseminated one hundred copies of this tape to our most trusted agents across the nation.
So any attempt upon this building to obtain the Masters will be futile in any effort to stop the dissemination of this tape.
For those of you who would like to purchase a copy of this videotape in its entirety, send us $25 post-paid.
$25 post-paid.
When you get the tape, make as many copies as you can.
Send them to everybody that you can think of in your whole life.
Congressmen, Senators, people, important people in the community.
You're going to be amazed.
These people sit calmly and tell about the attack.
They talk about their children and their life.
with the Branch Davidians.
Some of them are wounded, some of them seriously wounded, but you'd never know it by their voices.
This videotape is probably one of the most important pieces of material that has surfaced in this country in many, many years.
It is important in its own way If it were broadcast on CBS News tonight in its entirety, it could bring down the entire government of the United States of America.
Don't go away.
All of a sudden, in the middle of the night, there's a loud knock on your door.
Hey honey, something's not right.
Oh, my God.
Let the stuff fall faster.
Say you're from the government.
Whatever you do, we'll help you.
I'm from the I.R.S.
with a car and a hat.
If you've got a complaint, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, Get out of this house.
Surrender your guns.
Give me your gold.
You better obey if you want it all.
That's the best I can do for your talent.
The End
Pike said, Lucifer is God across this land, and good things hit the mark when you arrive here.
It is, okay?
What brought you over here?
the seven fields.
I've been a Catholic first for all my life and then I've gone to the Adventist Church and then from there, you know, I've met some people in the field and then I've started studying and then someone told me about someone who's been reading the field, which is sort of the field and anyway, which is sort of the field and anyway, that's why I'm here and I've met Babysburg and the field here and here.
Okay, is there anything else you'd like to share?
Well, you know, I'm from London, England and what happened last Sunday really surprised me.
I'm shocked, I'm disgusted, I'm upset about the whole thing, because this is supposed to be the land of freedom and freedom of religion.
And, you know, I wonder if we ever think calm, and the next thing, there's women and children where I'm staying, and there's like gunshot, and we're hitting the floor like out of a movie, you know?
You can't hear any voices, like any woman, you know what I'm saying?
And I thought, the first thing, I thought, well, this would never happen in England.
And, you know, it's just too disgusting, and apart from that, we haven't had any freedom to the press, which is disgusting also.
Um, my rights as a British citizen, as well as being in this country, we should have some sort of outlet to the media so you know what is going on there.
Okay.
Anything you wanted to add about any other thing that you'd like to say to the people that this will go to?
By the way, I'm not sure where the tape is going.
Basically, I'm here on my own free will.
I'm not being held hostage, and we are a big family here.
We're very happy to visit my family.
Those who do the will of God, my Father, are my family.
I love those who are my family with flesh.
But until they know the truth about this message, then, you know, I have to put this family first.
So you don't choose to leave the place right now?
No, no way.
This is where I am.
This is where my beliefs are.
This is where the truth is being let out at this time.
And, uh, well, we shall wait and see what God has in store for the world.
So is that what you're doing, is you're waiting right now?
Yes, I'm waiting on God.
I mean, this is where the truth is, and where else is it?
This is where existence is turning in the world.
I mean, there is no existence outside this vicinity.
This is where David is.
He is revealing himself, and this is what the world should have been waiting for.
And I'm very fortunate to be in this place at this time.
Is there anything you'd like to add?
- I would like to say that I think the American government are very foolish not to listen first to what they have to say and to come up with something like a big tanker toy, as they have with that big tank which is outside.
It, to me, it's, I don't want to insult them, but it's really insulting to keep such a big arm of equipment with people who are inside the trades like women and children.
I mean, what they're trying to do, you know.
And I am here on my own free will.
I am not being dragged away from it.
Everyone's free what they are.
I am very happy and living a normal life.
Is that it then?
That's it.
Thank you very much.
Okay, thank you.
We'll stop until we have some help here.
What is your name?
My name is Marjorie.
Marjorie, where are you from?
Los Angeles.
And what brings me here to Waco, Texas of all places?
And I met someone who had been to America.
I met someone who was able to reveal revelation and put passages together from different parts of the Bible.
I was in Texas.
I was told to come and see, which I did, after he had been to America.
When I was showing passages in the Bible, it was mind-blowing because no one in the churches or the church leaders was able to answer my questions on things that I wanted to know.
And in coming over here, things were brought to my attention.
I could see things more clearly.
I put you up at first because I wanted to show you something which you've been looking for all your life.
But then again it was also nice to know that you found someone who could reveal these things.
Okay it sounds kind of strange I'm sure to most people even hear something like that.
So what have you thought of the the events of just as of recently some of the things that have been taking place like a week ago Sunday for instance do you have a reaction to that or in response to that also or relation to that do you want to make a statement about leaving or staying do you want to leave?
Now I'm here for my free will.
Sir, are we holding you?
Am I or David or anybody else holding you?
No one's holding me here.
My show's to be here.
I decided to be here.
I want to be here.
We realize also that man has made boundary lines all over this globe called an Earth.
And has divided it up.
But we believe, according to Psalm 50, don't we, that God owns all things?
That's it.
Okay, so again, you want to be here then?
You're here on your own free will?
Do you want to add anything to that, Marge?
Well, the incident which happened last week, Friday, was a shock.
When you see these things on television, you can walk away from it, but when you actually On the scene when an incident happens, it's frightening.
You know, one minute you're looking out of the window and seeing three helicopters, and the next minute you hear firing and you're on the floor with, um, bullet shells flying all over your head.
It's frightening.
And also having tanks around the building because I think it's necessary.
I'm not curious.
Anything, uh, if this was to go back to Britain, to the paper, any parts of it, or to the press, is there anything else you might want to add or just say?
It's my family, my friends, I'm a lone friend, a new friend, like I might be making, um, but I'm fine as we can see, you know, as much as my ministry will.
I am happy with the people who I am with.
I am happy with the people.
And what I'd like to say about the press is some of the things that they are hearing are not the truth.
And I hope with this video being made, that the things that are about to happen, that people see and know the truth, Okay, did you want to add anything else or is that about it?
Okay, thank you Marge.
Thank you.
She's here now that wants to share a few things and we will put her on and what is your name?
My name is Judy Schneider-Koretz and this is my daughter Myna and as you can see I was wounded when the ATF came in and assaulted us.
I was quite surprised To see our government act the way it did, in that David went to the door with his hands out, and said, don't shoot, there's women and children in here.
And yet, they opened fire, and fired at everyone here.
Which is amazing.
I don't really expect anyone to jump on our bandwagon right now and believe what we believe after just hearing little bits and pieces.
I've been in the message since 1986, spending with David, and just learned so many astounding things.
I just think now we need to sit back and see what really is going on in our government.
That's the whole thing that we're upset with right now, and we're waiting on God for an answer about what we should do.
Can I see a close-up of your finger?
If you'll hold it still, let me zoom in on your finger.
Okay, don't move it now.
Hold it right there.
I will try to see if I can't focus it in a little better than what I have at this point in time.
Okay.
Okay.
What happened there with your finger?
You were just sitting there.
I was told you were nursing a baby or one of the babies or what was it?
I was just sitting there with my hand sort of like this.
Bullets were coming in our window.
A lot of our clothing was damaged from bullets, and I'm glad we weren't more than this.
That's some very fat finger you have there.
Yeah, it's kind of swollen.
I just spoke to a doctor on the phone.
He said it's quite dangerous.
He said I should come out and get treatment, but I asked him why he didn't come in here.
He said I don't really trust what they might do out there as far as Will you hurt any other place or did you have any other injury?
Right, I was sitting here kind of like, I'm not exactly sure it happened so fast, but anyway it went up this finger into my hand and out my shoulder.
Okay.
What brought you here in the first place to Waco, Texas?
To study, to save.
Okay, and a question that everybody wants to know.
Do you want to leave?
Are you being held here against your will?
I want to leave when God says go, but no, I don't want to go out there on my own without David and everyone else, the rest of my family.
We're all family.
So no one's holding you here against your will?
No one would be holding anyone here against their will.
Kate, were you able to see a video that the agency sent to us showing some of the children that were at the facility, wherever they're at?
The video we saw today of them.
Running around crazily, eating candy, drinking soda pop, jumping around like wild maniacs, watching videos.
Yeah, we were all quite upset to see our children behave like that because they've always been well-mannered and disciplined and they don't eat candy in between meals and only on rare occasions.
It's not good for your teeth or health or anything.
So you see that as being a cause of hyperactivity in children?
Something they already don't need?
I mean, we love the kids.
They can't help the way they're being cared for.
I guess that's the only thing the people out there really know to do.
Is there anything else you might have to say to the American people or to anybody that's on the outside?
Your family, maybe?
Your friends?
Well, I love you, Mom.
Of course, you know that.
And I love all my family and I just hope everyone doesn't jump to making decisions before they've heard our side.
Because right now all you're hearing is the press.
You're hearing very perverted press.
You're not allowed to broadcast live.
It has to be taped and it has to be Um, cut out in pain, stories, all kinds of lies.
I mean, like the lady holds up a board, this is what the APF uses, this is what we use.
I'm like, wow, I never saw one of those before!
I mean, there's so many lies, so many lies that you can't just break all the time.
You just need to trust God.
I mean, trust God, read your Bible, know what you're talking about.
What are you doing with your life?
What can you do every day with your life?
Is it something God approves of?
I mean, before you judge us, make sure your own life is clean.
Would you want your life broadcast from the day you were in high school, what you did, who you went out with?
Um, you know, I mean, we're being strip naked, so let's make sure when that happens to you, you're ready, too, when you die.
Is there any final comments you'd like to make?
Um, I think that was it.
Okay.
Well, thanks much.
Now, what about, what about Mynah?
Does she want to say anything?
My name is Mynah Hillary.
Grandma?
Grandpa?
Okay, thank you.
We'll go on to someone else.
Ladies with me, and we'll start out by finding out what their names are, and we'll start with the one on the far left.
And what is your name?
My name is Lisa.
And how old are you, Lisa?
Thirteen.
Thirteen.
And who's next to you?
And how old are you, Abby?
I'm 11.
You're 11.
And who else do we have here?
I'm Rachel and I'm 13.
You're 13 and?
Audrey and I'm 13.
And you're 13 also.
Of course, as everyone else, we've asked, why are you here?
And we'll start again with Lisa.
Lisa, what brings you here to Texas?
Well, my dad and mom... My dad and mom brought me here when I was a little.
When you were young.
Yeah, I was young.
So you didn't really come here by choice then per se, did you?
But now that you're, how old are you again?
Thirteen.
Thirteen years old, would you like to leave?
No.
You don't want to leave?
Even though there are always events that have been taking place with the gunfire and the possibility of more and not knowing what's going on, you still don't want to leave?
Are you being held against your will?
No.
Are you sure?
Okay.
What about Abby?
Abby, what are you doing here?
What brought you here?
Well, I came here with my grandma when I was about five.
When you were about five?
And have you left since then at all?
Have you gone away to get your business?
Yes, I have.
Okay.
So, do you want to leave now?
If you were given the opportunity to leave now, would you like to leave?
Yes.
Are you sure?
Is anyone here holding you against your will?
No.
No one is.
Okay, is there anything you would like to say to your grandmother on the outside or anyone else?
I don't know.
Okay.
And next we have Rachel.
Rachel, tell us something about your arriving here.
Have you been here for a while?
Yeah, I've been here for a while.
Five years old.
About five?
And you've had opportunity to leave, have you?
Well, I have.
I mean, I've always been told if I want to leave, I can leave.
But, you know, I've never wanted to.
Well, why not?
Well, because, you know, I like it here.
I have friends here.
And plus, there's a truth that, you know, David teaches the seven seals and Henry Dillard.
And there's no one else so far, you know, that I've heard of it can do that, and so I just decided to stay here and listen.
So then what you're saying is it's because of his ability to open up the Bible, of which we all see that there are almost 2 billion people in the world that claim to be Christians and claim that that's their foundation also.
So you see that he has an ability that so far he's haven't shown?
Is that what you're saying?
I know I'm asking someone of a leading question because I know that you all are a little bit camera shy.
Uh, what about you, Audrey?
What brings you here?
Um, I came here when I was seven years old and my grandma brought me here.
And I was too little to understand anything, but now since I'm getting older I can understand more and, you know, truth so far has been, you know, I've never heard anybody else tell the truth, you know?
Okay, like David apparently is what you were thinking of.
Okay, let's see.
So another few questions we've asked everybody.
Is there anything you want to say to friends or family or anywhere else?
Or do you want to...
Okay, I don't have anything to say.
You don't have anything else to say?
Uh, really?
Okay, what about you, Audrey?
Folks, the heavy machinery that you hear in the film from time to time is the tank moving around the building.
Also, you will hear banging, sound like carpentry going on.
That's the Branch Davidians trying to put something more substantial between them and the government agents outside the building.
And clear that, you know, they just don't want to listen.
I don't understand that.
So you're wondering why more people are interested in the Bible and it being unlocked?
Is that what you're saying?
And to see what's for us for the final days?
Okay, I understand.
Anything else?
I guess that'll do.
Okay, well thank you, girl.
I'll appear and we'll ask for you to identify yourself.
What is your name, please?
My name is Lorraine Tobias.
All right, Sylvia, do you also have a family here, or a partial family, or what can you tell me about that?
Yes, I do.
I have a daughter here, Hollywood.
Okay.
And I have my son, I sent out.
And what is his name?
His name is Joshua.
So Joshua, have you been able to see anything or hear anything of Joshua as of recently?
Well, when we first sent him out, we were able to call up that night to tell him to get a ride.
And then today I saw a videotape of him, and I've got to tell you, I was not impressed.
So why were you not impressed with the videotape?
Well, they had all the children in a room, and the kids were all going wild and jumping around, and it was like they had no discipline, no correction, and we just don't do that with our kids, you know?
Okay.
Because I'm supervised all the time, and, you know, after you go into a Bible study, you'll sit for hours, quietly and peacefully.
And when I saw this video, it really acted like wild animals.
Okay, so that bothered you then.
Okay.
Why are you here in the first place?
Well, eight years ago, David came to my home in Massachusetts, and he was presenting Bible studies to my family.
And I just thought that he had something.
He was able to take all the books of the Bible and harmonize them, line upon line, precept upon precept, and he made sense.
It was something when you read it yourself, you couldn't see it.
But once he showed it to you, it was readily understood.
There was just no debating it.
Okay.
Do you have a desire to leave here?
No.
I don't, actually.
Nobody is holding a gun at my head, sir.
Make me say that.
Okay, so no one's holding you back, keeping you here, threatening you, or anything else?
If God says to wait, then I intend to wait.
Alright, and a lot of people have said that, but what do you mean, if God says to wait?
Is God talking to you or something?
No, God does not talk to me.
That God has a book in his hand and he hands that book to someone and hands it to the lamb.
He's the only one that can reveal the book.
God doesn't speak to someone and David is shown in a field.
David, God says, wait.
I trusted in him this long.
He's proven himself to me.
I'm going to wait.
Okay, I see.
Uh, also, uh, would you have anything you wanted to say to family elsewhere, or friends, or do you have any statements to make, uh, about the incident that happened, or maybe 10 days ago, anything you'd like at all.
It doesn't even have to be that.
Okay, first, uh, the incident was just a total outrage.
Why is that?
I, I don't know how the American people can stand by and watch such a thing take place.
We have people here, we have old people, women, children, tiny babies.
These men came in here and they started firing on us.
The bullets came through the walls and people were killed, people were injured.
This is America.
Okay.
Is there anything else you'd like to say or add?
To my family.
I love them.
Please say Joshua.
Okay.
Thank you.
We're going to go over here now and we're going to ask someone else sitting close by here her name and where she's from.
My name is Kathy Schroeder.
I'm originally from Florida.
Okay, you're from Florida.
Kathy, what brings you here in the first place?
A few years ago I met yourself, Steve Schneider, and Mahers and I, we were in Land, Florida, and we found revealing truth in the Bible that we just could not just recute at all.
There was no way.
We eventually came and met David Koresh and found that he was doing the opening up of these truths and have stayed to listen to everything we could.
Everything, like Larry said, precepts upon precepts, line upon line, journal, barrel, barrel.
The whole Bible, every book of the Bible, tells the same prophecy, tells the same thing, and I wouldn't know that were it not for David Crowley.
Okay, so do you have also any children, or where's your family?
I have four children, three by an And one from my late husband, my children.
They are not here with me right now.
Um, the incident that happened Sunday that nerve-wracked everybody.
I mean, women and children were in our homes.
Just totally shocked with the barrage of weaponry fired upon our homes.
Of course, me and the children all got down.
We were all Safely made it through that original gunfire, but it scared me too much to allow them to stay here.
So, my children have been released.
They are out.
And I found out today that the three that do belong to my are psychotic sisters who I took with my ex's children.
He has custody of them now.
I found that out today.
I'm sure he turns three someday.
He's the youngest.
We're still in state custody as far as I know.
Why did you send, you said you sent your children up so that you thought they might have a better chance of survival?
Is that the idea?
Difficult survival, yes.
They have tanks aimed in our faces.
Every day we are worried.
There's no telling what the federal agents out there will do based on what they've already done.
For their physical lives and their well-being I sent them out there.
Well what about your own life and your own physical well-being?
Don't you want to be with your children?
Yes, I would much rather my children be here with me.
But I would not like to be out there because I know that what I'm doing here is for a reason.
God said, wait, the God that I believe in, the God that David Trust has shown me, that's come from, that has a book in his hands, read Revelations all right there.
It's so plain and simple.
But if you've got somebody to show it to you, which took me a lot of years to finally find, and once I did, there's no, there's no disagreement at all to say that that's not what's in the book.
So you don't, you don't, is anyone holding you here against your will?
Oh my God.
Oh my God.
It's His will and His will be done.
Okay.
Did you see that videotape of your children today?
Yes, I viewed that videotape.
I was a little disappointed in a couple of my children jumping on couches and making silly faces.
We're going crazy.
Had they been in my possession, had I been with them at the time, they would not have acted so radically.
Is that to say they might have allowed you to have fun?
I don't know.
My children have fun, but they were quite unsupervised at the time the video was taken.
And that's not something that you like to see that?
No, my children are constantly doing schoolwork when they're with me.
They're constantly working and playing well when it's supervised.
We do a lot of exercise, but not something on couches and tables like I saw my young daughter doing today.
Would you like to see the full result, the situation, or maybe back as it was?
What are your thoughts about that?
What do you mean, as it was?
About 10 days ago, we were all coming together, studying the Bible, and it was things as usual.
So it was before the ATF got involved?
Right.
Okay, yes, I would love to see the situation resolved.
I would love to have my children back, and I would love to have My ability to worship God in the way that I feel I want to worship God, which is our American right, I would love to have that back.
But as it stands right now, I can't worship God the way I want to.
They're taking that from me.
Is there anything else you'd like to say?
One more thing I would like to tell the public, if they can find this out, that I'm really tired of the lies.
I'm really tired of hearing the stories that are related to the public.
We have no press coverage directly from this facility, from our church.
We have no one telling the world our side, and watching and listening on the radio, watching on the news reports, the press conferences, watching it live that the federal agencies hold.
It's astounding, day after day, how far they go.
And that's just one agency.
All of the other agencies back there are going to back them up.
That's including our federal government.
We, the people, don't run this government anymore.
We, the people, don't run this country.
They do.
And they tell all the lies they want.
And I'm just...
But do you think all of these men are like that, don't you?
Do you not see that there might be some sincere that are trying to do their best from their vantage point?
Those that are trying to do their best, are trying to do their job, they have a family back home, too.
But they don't understand what the system is doing.
They did say we should go, and we did.
Is there anything else you'd like to add?
I said I love my family, and I hope that my ex does try to get custody of my youngest child, Brian.
That's very important to me.
And the children know that God does control the situation.
No matter what happens, God is in control.
And I believe that in totally.
OK.
We have someone else here now.
May I ask you your name?
My name is Teresa.
And where are you from, Teresa?
I'm from England.
You are.
What brings you over to America, of all places, here in Texas?
Well, about four years ago, I was thinking to myself about the Bible.
I was wondering why we have a Bible that we don't understand, you know.
So I started inquiring.
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Hey, Hank.
Something's not right.
Hold your arms. - Then walk past it.
We're here for the better.
We're here to help you.
And I'm from the I.R.S.
with a power to attack.
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Hillary Shalala, Reno Janet Dyke, reading the words of General Albert Pike, the money founder of the Ku Klux Klan, Engineer of the Masonic Master Plan.
Tyson Lucifer is shot across the planet.
They couldn't stay and take the mark.
If you're right.
While we're all dancing to the drums of the uproar of life, I think he's preparing it for another huge attack on the Masonic world.
Order out of chaos.
Aggression, inflation creates a panic that erodes the nation.
Crisis creation.
Incite black and white programs.
Agitation.
Then you take the mark with your right hand.
While we're all dancing to the drums of Buffalo Bright, I think we're preparing it for another scene.
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