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Sept. 7, 1993 - Bill Cooper
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Carolyn Nelson in Studio
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I'm going to play a short clip of the opening of the book.
Once upon a lovely isle, sweet isle of the heart. Once upon a golden moon, a good boy soon will be born.
I'm going to play a short clip of the opening of the book.
Once upon a lovely isle, sweet isle of the heart.
Oh Oh, God! Oh, God!
I'm William Cooper.
You're listening to the Hour of the Time.
I'm William Cooper.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be at the Self-Reliance Expo and Fair 93 in Denver, Colorado on the
I'll be at booth number 64 at the Denver Coliseum September 16th through the 19th, 1993.
I will be the keynote speaker Thursday, September the 16th at 7pm, and I will be speaking again
Friday, September the 17th at 11.30am.
Also I will be again the keynote speaker on Saturday night, September the 18th at 8.30pm.
I hope to see you there.
Let me give you the dates again.
I'll be in booth number 64, by the way, if you'll like to come by and say hello.
The dates are September 16th through the 19th.
It's the Self-Reliance Expo and Fair being held at the Denver Coliseum in Denver, Colorado.
The number to call for information is area code 303-482-3731.
Once again, 303-482-3731.
I'll try to repeat it again later in the program.
I don't really know whether I'll get to it or not because we have an awful lot to talk about tonight.
We had so many calls after we went off the air last night for about an hour, continuing
with reports of black helicopters, and I told those people to call back again tonight.
However, I'm going to have to ask you to wait.
We'll have to do that on some other night again, because we have a special guest in
studio tonight, and we'll be able to take your calls.
You'll be able to talk to this guest, and I'll get to the identity of this person in
just a few seconds.
But first, I'd like to address a fax we got today.
It says, Mr. Cooper, I listened to your show last night, 9293 on WWCR, wherein you described a confirmed videotape report of Russian transport and gunship helicopters at Fort Polk, Louisiana, sporting the Red Star.
I called News KPLC-TV in Lake Charles to attempt to get confirmation and perhaps a copy of the video.
The man I spoke with said there were ongoing maneuvers taking place at Fort Polk that he had intended to send a man to cover the exercises
but had not gotten to it yet, but had no knowledge of Russian aircraft.
He also said that he had received a call from a radio station in Seattle concerning these
reported Russian aircraft prior to mine.
He said he was very sure this report was not done by KPLC-TV.
Could you please clear up this discrepancy over the air, Mr.
Cooper?
I know all will appreciate it.
Thank you."
Well, all I can do is give you the information that I have, folks.
There was a news program that aired a film of Russian helicopters performing maneuvers
at Fort Polk, Louisiana.
They closed in and showed a close-up of the Red Star.
One was a transport helicopter.
Another one was a Hind gunship.
Now, just to show you how things get blown out of proportion, When I originally got the report, the report had been blown up to 50 Russian helicopters at Fort Polk, Louisiana.
When we got right down to it, we were able to verify on videotape several people in Louisiana had videotaped this news broadcast, and it is on videotape.
Now, whether KPLC sent their people to take that footage, or whether they were running network footage during their news program, I do not know.
But it was KPLC Lake Charles, Louisiana that ran this.
This was this news broadcast that showed the film of the Russian helicopters at Fort Polk, Louisiana was run approximately one and a half weeks ago.
It took that long for me to get The report that there were 50 there.
There are not 50.
What we can verify is that in this news broadcast, on videotape, it shows two Russian helicopters.
The transport is not so easily identified as a Russian helicopter except that it has a red star on it.
The Hind gunship is easily identified by anyone, whether or not it had a red star, as being a Russian helicopter.
However, it does have the red star on the side.
We are in the process I have another report here.
acting more people and if we can get clearances on the copyright on the video tape we'll try
to make it public.
However, if they will not release copyright, we can't.
Folks, don't call in now.
I'll tell you when the phone lines will be open.
You're just wasting your time by calling now.
I'm not going to take calls until a little while later in the program.
OK, I have another report here.
Big Brother watching every move you make.
Burgeoning computer files stripping away private lives by Mary Gooderhan, Toronto Globe and
Mail.
And this is from the Arizona Republic, Tuesday, August 31st, 1993.
Every credit card purchase casts a shadow.
So does each entry in a security-minded workplace or store, application for health insurance,
call to a phone sex service, selection of a pay-per-view movie, or movement of a cellular
phone.
It's called a data shadow, and it grows longer as computer databases record more and more of our daily activities.
The image reveals who we are, where we go, who we know, what we do, and when.
Sort of an electronic alter ego that's required for us to obtain credit, receive welfare benefits, vote, get a job, or cross a border without a hassle.
The global village is fast growing into surveillance city.
The marriage of the computer and telecommunications has produced a mountain of data about each of us, controlled not just by centralized governments, but by data-hungry commercial industries as well.
Technology has given Big Brother many siblings.
The field of surveillance has expanded vastly beyond what George Orwell ever dreamt of, said David Lyon, a professor of sociology at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
Now, if George Orwell scared you when you read his book 1984, ladies and gentlemen, today is far beyond anything that he ever conceived of, and it's already a fact.
New tools make capturing, sorting, and analyzing the bulging dossiers of our private lives instantaneous.
By the end of the decade, computers are expected to fuse with other technologies, such as wireless phones and digital TV.
Personal data are gathered for one purpose.
But then used for quite another.
Linked with more information or traded to the highest bidder in a burgeoning informational bazaar around the world.
In the language of civil rights activists, this is data valence, the collection of electronic material most often used for marketing, security against fraud, or simply to make decisions about an individual, from creditworthiness to the ability to perform in a new job.
It's a society where information is control and people will always find uses for more
information," said Eugene Ascapella, an Ottawa lawyer and consultant to Canada's Privacy
Commissioner.
The real dilemma is for us to sit here and say what uses they will have for that information
in the future.
Why are they sitting around debating that, folks?
We know exactly what they're going to use that information for.
Any way, any way that they can get more money from us, that they can exert more control
over us, that they can burrow their way into our private lives and pass more laws and legislation
restricting freedom.
We've already seen this put to use.
Why are these people sitting around wondering what uses they will have for that information in the future?
It goes on to say, those engaged in the barter of such data insist that the information they collect is not mishandled and that they are speedily developing fair practice codes, privacy principles, and technological safeguards to govern its use in, I say, bullcrap.
That's a lie.
Meanwhile, privacy experts complain that the very existence of all this electronic material and the acceleration of practices to collect it have created a privacy time bomb.
The reality, folks, is privacy is a myth It is no longer real.
You have no privacy in your life now, and most of you already know it.
They go on to say, Yet society is caught in a technological trance, Canadian Privacy Commissioner Bruce Phillips says, warning in his recent annual report that the surveillance of workplaces, genetic profiling and credit card reporting methods are not questioned.
Indeed, the frenzied collection of personal material has gone on largely unnoticed by politicians, regulators, and the general public in the rush to reap the benefits of the new technologies, convenience, efficiency, security, comfort, and relief from toil.
Each encounter with a computer that generates records is called a transaction.
This can include a purchase in a store that has some sort of electronic point-of-sale device, or a call made on a digitized phone network.
In 1948, the year Orwell wrote 1984, the tools of surveillance were very limited.
The transistor had just been invented and the microchip was unheard of.
You're not going to be able to hide anywhere, said Jerry Montigny, an Information Systems Specialist in the Canadian Privacy Commissioner's Office.
Food for thought, ladies and gentlemen.
Tonight, Carolyn Nelson.
This is a story of a man.
A man.
I am so pleased to have you here in studio with me that I hardly know what to say.
Carol Nelson, welcome to the Hour of the Time.
I am so pleased to have you here in studio with me that I hardly know what to say.
You're sort of a legend across this country.
Well, thank you for having me here.
It certainly is a thrill to have met you and Annie and Little Pooh finally and to really be here and to be able to speak out across the country to all of my family and my friends who I really don't know how to communicate with about the issues that we are facing in our country.
I left New Hampshire March 8th Thinking that I would go first to visit my family in Ohio and then my friends in Michigan and I would talk to them to see what they knew about this thing called the New World Order and the One World Religion.
I had just begun learning about it in February.
I was given a tape about population and AIDS and one about the bank failures coming up that were made by William Cooper.
My dad gave them to me.
And they were pretty astounding to hear.
My mother had mentioned the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Group, and the Bilderberg Group in December, but all of these were just things I knew nothing about.
Until I started reading, and I haven't stopped since I started in February.
Well, you sure haven't.
You've told me some of the things that you've been reading and some of the information that you've discovered.
When you started out across the country you began to meet people and talk to them and that's been quite an experience for you hasn't it?
It's been most interesting.
I really didn't know what to do.
What do you do when you find out that you're losing your country?
And sometimes that's what I say to people.
I just tell them that once I say hello to you I give you a copy of the Constitution of the United States of America.
I retired last spring and I was at home in New Hampshire with my parents and I decided that I would just move out across the country and talk to people and find out what they know and tell them a little bit what I know and what I know keeps growing week by week.
If I start talking to them a little more and they seem open and interested I'll share with them a copy of the I usually don't go too much further unless somebody's ready to sit down for an hour and some people sit down and we talk for two or three hours.
by FREE out of Kerrville, Texas. This has been very, very useful. I usually don't go
too much further unless somebody's ready to sit down for an hour and some people
sit down and we talk for two or three hours. And this sometimes takes place in
the most usual locations like in campsites on the side of the road and
restaurants and parking lots. Where do some of the more interesting locations
They're just about everywhere.
I might be buying something at the deli in a supermarket and I strike up a conversation or I was on the telephone last night trying to reach Bill Cooper and I was talking to an operator from California who was trying to get through for me.
And we struck up a conversation and he gave me a good shortwave radio program to listen to and I gave him a good one.
Some of the other places that I've talked to people are, well of course along the way, wherever, wherever you meet people.
I did leave Michigan after talking to my friends there with their six children.
I left them because I knew something was going on in Waco and there just wasn't time to stop then to see my other five or six friends.
I figured I'd go back at a later date and I took off and drove down and got to Waco too late.
I got there on Sunday evening the 4th of April and it was too late to join Linda Thompson in her march on Saturday morning with the unorganized militia.
I had talked to Ed Chandler the night before and he informed me of some of the activities that were going on down there.
So I just sort of freelanced it.
I lost touch with Bill Cooper of course whom I hadn't been in touch with because they burned down WWCR and so I couldn't Get the other station that I guess he was on.
WR, no.
You couldn't get WR on.
And of course, WWCR was not broadcasting.
But we got you loud and clear.
You were sending us pages and pages and pages of information in the mail.
It was incredible.
I wish I had some of those letters here with me tonight.
But we've had kind of a whirlwind day, haven't we?
Right, right.
Quite.
A wonderful day.
One that I've looked forward to for quite some time.
And it was like we'd known each other for a long time.
She got out of her car and boy we just hugged and we've been going since then.
Yeah.
Tell us some more about Waco.
Where did you stay?
What did you do?
Who did you meet?
Well, it took me two days to get down there.
I pretty much drove straight through them.
I rested enough along the way.
I got there on Sunday evening and didn't really know where to go.
So I went first to the spot.
And I met the ATF agents at the street, I believe it was Elk Street, and they said that I couldn't go any further.
But I could go up on the hillside and look at the light and look over.
So I thought, fine, I'll do that.
They didn't ask to look at my driver's license and look at all my records and everything.
Maybe they just figured I was somebody passing through.
There were a couple of other young men from Germany who talked to The ATF people and they took their pictures while they were there.
So I drove on about a quarter of a mile up to the top of the hill and that's where I stayed for 10 days.
I immediately met another couple who had come up from Florida.
they were from Tyler and they heard about Waco on TV and radio and they were very much
concerned because anybody knocking in windows and entering your home that you hear about
it means that your home could be next and they said that to the ATF when after they
got through talking to them and they instinctively knew that even though they were vacationing
in Florida they lived actually in Tyler Texas as soon as they saw on television and heard
what had happened they immediately went to Waco.
There were a lot of people there who understood the significance of Waco but not near enough
to make even the sound of a leaf falling in a forest from a hundred miles away.
No.
There was one woman that came about mid-April who was from Oklahoma and she said that she was just nauseous when she heard about it all and she came up and she was just doubly nauseous because there was nobody there.
There was just a few of us.
There was another gentleman in his Automobile and there was myself and then this other couple with their son who were presenting the Constitution as the basis for what we were viewing was happening.
Our first, second, and fourth Bill of Rights were being grossly offended, let's put it lightly.
One of our friends went over to Baylor University in Xerox copies of the Bill of Rights and was giving them out and we were attempting to talk to people to find out how they feel and to inform them a little about our view of how our Constitution is just literally being taken away from us along with the rest of our country.
You know, I hear this from people all the time.
I'm just one lonely little person.
I'm too old to get involved in this.
I don't really think I can do this because I'm going to get on somebody's list.
What made you go out and do this against all of these things that everyone else is afraid of?
I guess I never stop to think.
My friends know me.
They'll laugh when they hear all the long letters because I'm known for writing little memos and long letters.
I don't know.
When you come to comprehend something, you just do it.
People are just not aware of what is happening.
Everyone whom I met along the way is aware of something.
There's probably just a handful who say, no, I never heard of CFR, New World Order.
What's that?
It's really surprising and maybe scary that everybody is beginning to be aware.
Of course, like me, they don't know what to do.
I mean, I don't know what to do.
So I Xeroxed up copies of the Constitution and I said, well, I guess I can talk to people on that level.
I can give them a copy of the Constitution.
And that has led into my sharing More and more information as I get the information.
And believe me, when I heard about Project 93 and the march on Washington to abolish the Federal Reserve and the IRS, which D.V.
Kidd out of Colorado has initiated last January.
I'm just hearing about it in August through the Hour of the Time.
It was like a weight being lifted off your shoulders because at last there's an avenue or something visible that has to reach the people.
In the same way that Randy Weaver was invisible and really didn't reach many people at all I found.
But Waco was a little too large to be totally invisible even though it reached the people in a totally wrong way.
And Linda Thompson has made the video which was the second big thrill in August that at last I have something else that I can really share Is that there is a video that tells the truth about what happened in Waco and I was there for 10 days.
I talked to people.
I talked to the man whose daughter was the public health nurse who went in and saw the children in the Branch Davidian Church.
I talked to some of the townspeople.
I met the mailman who knew the other mailman who was inside at the time.
It was just one thing after another.
Take a drink of water.
So I had another piece of something real that I could share with people and I just received the video just last week because as you can guess my mail has been following me from Michigan to Port Isabel to finally to Sholo where they told me I could use the post office general delivery to get mail and I've been sharing that video with numerous people which is another story I'll tell you in a minute.
I think there was another piece of information that I was really pleased to have to share was the packet that Linda Thompson is putting together, which gives us information on how to prepare a militia, an unorganized militia, in each of the states according to the Constitution, according to law.
Because as shocked as you may be hearing this, and as shocked as I was to see Linda's picture in the paper on April 4th, When I arrived in Waco, I thought, this is really something that's going on.
I arrived thinking that I and my white car could sit 20 feet from the Branch Davidian Church and give them moral support, that I, since the Red Cross was not going to go near them, could take $100 worth of medicine and try to get it into them, the kind of medicine they like, and I even have a stuffed animal for the children.
Well, I got there and it was quite a different picture.
And I'd like to jump farther ahead and just point out to you that after I left Waco, my friend took me down to Port Isabel.
I stayed there for a few months and had small jobs.
And I went, then came from there up to Show Low, but in between I went up to Midland and I went to visit my nephew in Springfield, Missouri.
I finally got there and instead of Easter it was Mother's Day.
chair I was in Waco on Easter and on Easter Sunday they were putting the barbed wire around
the church on a Christian holiday without giving it a second thought and there were
no shots at the people who were putting up the fence at that time.
Despite what the government said.
Yeah.
And you were there you know you saw you could hear and there were no shots.
Yet the government claimed that they were fired at.
On many occasions that they were not fired at.
And I can see the sorrow in your face this is bringing back some bad memories isn't it.
Because when I visited my nephew and then I went back down through Waco to go to Port
Isabel to live for the summer because my friend said I could have a job down there and as
you know it's less expensive to live in the warmer climate.
I went through Waco and went over to the hillside where I had spent 10 days and there were about 82 little small white crosses with little flowers in the middle all over the hillside.
and the four larger crosses which represented the four ATF men which of course lost their life also.
There was another car that drove up and that person didn't speak to me and I didn't speak to them and I left and that was about all I could handle.
Yeah I can understand that.
Now tell us about what happened when you were in Port Isabel.
One day you decided that gee you know This couldn't happen if everybody knew the Constitution and understood it and had read it and knew what it meant.
So you set off to find a copy and what happened?
That was interesting because Fourth of July was coming up and people were focusing on independence.
I went to the public library and the librarian and I weren't able to find a copy there so I said, well just a minute, you keep on looking and I'll just run over to the press, the local newspaper, which is a block away.
And I talked to the editor there, and he was able finally to find one in a dictionary, but it was about a 20-year-old dictionary.
And as someone else that I worked for said, well, it is the same Constitution.
It doesn't change.
And I said, yeah, you're right.
But we do have a new amendment as of last spring, 92.
But there essentially wasn't a Constitution that you could walk away with a copy of it.
Not only that, but people don't understand that the original Constitution has certain letters capitalized, and this is extremely important in the points of law that the Constitution actually is.
Later, they begin to change the Constitution so that these words are not capitalized, literally taking the sovereignty from the citizen and from the state.
So, not all constitutions are the same, and not all constitutions have the same meaning.
Not all constitutions have the preamble to the constitution included, and not all constitutions include the preamble to the Bill of Rights, and most Americans don't even understand that there was a preamble to the Bill of Rights.
Now, all of this makes up the supreme law of the land.
And so, when I made a statement one night that it's very difficult to find a copy of the real constitution, I was not joking.
And I got many letters and many faxes saying, oh, all you got to do is look in the almanac and all this kind of stuff.
And these people don't understand that those copies may not be genuine copies of the Constitution.
And if just one letter is not capitalized that was capitalized in the original, it changes the whole meaning of the law.
And, you know, it wasn't as simple as you just said it.
Because in the letter that you sent to me, You went all over town talking to different people and looking for copies of the Constitution and asking people if they had a copy.
Right, and finally the editor did get one through a company on his computer, evidently, and he gave that to me and I gave it to the librarian and she, there I stood up and had copies available on the table there at the library.
I hate to interrupt you but...
You can't touch the microphone stand.
It's making some noise.
Any little touch on the microphone or the stand will cause a noise to go out into the world and drown out what you're saying.
I know this is the first time you've ever done this.
It's my fault.
I should have told you about that before we started.
Let's go ahead and continue, Carolyn.
What I had planned to do was to run a little ad in the local newspaper.
Let's see if every time someone placed an advertisement in the little town newspaper that maybe a portion of money could be set aside to have a full page for the Constitution to be printed and then it would be available to everyone very inexpensively and people could frame it or hang it up or whatever they chose to do.
Then after sleeping through the night and thinking about it more, I thought, this is really ridiculous.
Why should it be so difficult to find a copy of the Constitution?
And why do we have to go through all the things?
So I drove to Brownsville the next day, about 30 miles away, I guess.
Which is a fairly large city.
About 90,000, I'd say.
And I went to Walden Books there in the Sunrise Mall, and they couldn't find a copy.
And it turned out that the librarian had called the next day also to ask the bookstore if they had a copy and she found the same answer and it was no.
Then as I left I did remember that the World Almanac carries it and I went back in and
found one and of course it was $7 and not everybody is going to be able to run out and
pay large amounts of money to get a copy of the law of the land.
I wonder if they would have a copy of the Constitution that they would be able to give
out to the public and somehow I never did that.
I wonder what the answer would be.
I wonder if there is a copy of the Constitution in the police station.
I wonder if any of the police officers have a copy or have ever even read a copy.
That's an interesting question.
That's more interesting.
That's really interesting.
I think I'm going to think about that and we're going to do a show along those lines and maybe call some police officers and get them on tape or maybe have some as a guest in the studio.
Not to embarrass them.
No.
No.
This is not.
We are facing something in February I realize.
That we are losing our country.
And what are we going to do about it?
I don't know what to do.
I have no idea.
This is incredible because people are sitting in their homes saying, I'm just one lonely human being.
I'm scared.
I can't face all this.
I can't do it.
There's nothing I can do.
And you're saying, I don't know what to do.
So I've talked to people about, I don't know what to do.
And you've done more than all of these people will probably ever do in their life.
This is incredible.
I don't see it that way.
I just go along and I talk to people along the way and then I add to my Xeroxing and add information which I think is valuable and then I made a quick pencil page of the key things that I think they must have and within two minutes of talking to people I feel I must get out and give them the copy of the Constitution and I like to give them the copy of the free FREE listing of the people who are I'm sorry selling us down the river and have sold us down the river.
We are essentially gone.
Because now if you even check the U.S.
code book number nine and find out that Kennedy signed into law in 1961 that we are disarming as a nation and you can sit at home and swallow that.
And then Tex Morris announced two weeks ago on the radio shortwave at 630 p.m.
Arizona time that Gorbachev is being given a military base in California and he is going to be advising President Clinton about which military bases to close next.
How do you live with that?
Now, just in case you're out there shaking your heads, I checked on this and it's absolutely true.
In fact, there was a story in the San Francisco Chronicle.
That Mikhail Gorbachev, the ex-head of the Soviet Union and the ex-head of the Soviet secret police, the KGB, has been given a portion of what used to be an army base called the Presidio in San Francisco for his offices and his foundation.
And this article said that Gorbachev would be advising President Clinton on closing of certain military bases and other things.
And this was incredible.
You know, I'm not shocked very easy, folks, and this shocked me when I read that.
And it appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle, and nobody said a word about that story.
Okay, we're going to take a short break here, and I'm going to talk to you about Swiss America Trading, as I always do about this time.
Now, folks, what you're hearing from Carolyn Nelson, what you hear from me on other nights, and from our other guests, and what you can read from the books that we've given you to read I have to clarify that because somebody will write in and
say they didn't receive their copy.
The names and authors of books that we've given you that you should be reading, you
should know that we're in for a pretty rough future and you should be preparing to protect
yourself, your family, your assets and many things.
You should have at least a two year supply of food on hand.
You should have good, clean, pure drinking water.
You should exercise your rights under the second article in amendment and make sure
that you can protect not only your family but your community.
You should have written away for your militia package, which by the way I can no longer
offer to you but you can get them from Linda Thompson.
You should be forming your unorganized militia in your area.
I've got to advise you folks, you should keep those units absolutely legal.
Make sure that nobody does anything that even could in the farthest misunderstanding be construed as criminal activity.
I almost said chemical activity, but it doesn't make any difference.
You've got to keep your noses clean.
You've got to make sure that you've known everybody in your little unit all your life and you better understand who the enemy is and make sure you don't have any of them with you.
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Tampax for women that they may not be able to find.
Things like this.
Toothbrushes.
Toothpaste.
Things that you don't normally think about because you're so used to having them around.
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but for the world.
And if you're listening outside the United States of America, and I know many of you
are, your future hinges upon our ability to keep our freedom.
Thank you.
We are the only people in the history of the world that have ever been truly free.
We are the only people in the world now that still have the right to keep and bear arms, besides one other country.
I believe it's Switzerland.
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From every mountainside, let freedom ring.
Boy, that really suits you.
You really love this country, don't you, Carolyn?
Yeah, it's quite a beautiful country.
I grew up knowing a certain amount of freedom that I thought we had forever.
It really hit me in February that as you look and listen you find that even for 30 years now we really haven't been following the Constitution and we've allowed our representatives to go off to Washington and do pretty much as they please.
We don't understand them.
We don't take any active part.
I might say also that I have family members, as you all out there probably do too, who
are Masons.
They're Freemasons of the Scottish Rite.
I have family members who are very, very active in the New Age movement.
What do you do when you find out these things?
then how do you tell them that they're being led by the nose, they're just puppets on the
string, they're part of something that they should not be a part of.
And of course, we really don't have the right to tell someone else what to do.
I've never believed in that.
I believe in education and once someone has heard the truth, then what they do beyond
that is not my responsibility anymore, although I keep on trying.
You can't force somebody not to do something, can you?
No, no.
So what I've done is I've visited as many of my family members as I could and I've tried to contact my friends.
I contacted one in New York City, another in New York by telephone and by letter.
I tried to reach someone by letter because I couldn't get her phone number.
I wrote to someone who I know is in Nigeria and I opened the door to start them thinking.
And from then on, I try to acquaint them with short ways because that seems to be the only place where you can begin to get a picture of the truth.
And then they have to begin to get into the books and the tapes and the videos and talking to people and looking at this very seriously.
If they don't, there's not too much that I can do about it at the moment.
At least at one point they may come to see that there's really nothing wrong with me.
I think I'm free all right.
It was interesting I did talk to a young man from the army when I was camped out at the Apache White Mountain Indian Reservation for three weeks with my tent.
He was there one night and we talked for about three hours and about two hours into it he looked at me and he said, Are you sure that you're not paranoid?
And I just looked at him and I said, I wish I was.
I would gladly be paranoid and have this all just something that I've dreamed up.
Then it could go away.
Would you like to take some calls?
Would you like to talk to some people?
Okay, I just wanted to share the fact that I did come up to this beautiful area after I left my friends in Texas because I think now they need to work on their own.
I sort of opened the door for them to think in all these new areas and I do like to move across the country talking to people.
I was on my way, if possible, up to Groom Lake because I really would like to spend a week there and look for myself and see the UFOs and the advanced technology of our government taking off over the mountains.
Meantime, I stopped in Show Low and visited the White Mountain Apache Reservation.
I made some wonderful friends there and camped out in a tent overnight.
I only had to give up on my tent life.
My Apache friends took me home and took down my tent.
Because I told her the night before I heard sounds outside and they were very much like a lion snarling and I had learned from a friend up the way That she had just seen a couple of lions, and I was totally unaware that there's wildlife in these hills.
Oh yes, we have bears, and mountain lions, and foxes, and skunks, and elk, and deer, and huge herds of wild antelope, and the whole works.
Let's take some calls and see what the, let's hear from the public out there.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hello?
Oh, it's another little child.
Yes, we have the children at play out there, folks.
The number is 602-333-2174.
Mamas, please look for your little children and pat them on the butt and send them off to bed where they belong.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Yes, Bill.
This is Dave down from Florida.
Hello, Dave.
I didn't get your lady friend's name that's on there tonight because the reception down here is very bad tonight.
Her name is Carolyn Nelson.
In my estimation, she's one of our unsung heroes.
Okay.
I got part of that, and I know you mentioned something earlier about trying to find a decent copy of the Constitution, and I have here books that I kind of go by for comparison.
It's Loffing's New History of the United States.
Are you familiar with that?
No.
It was copyrighted in 1889 by Vincent J. Loffing, LLD, published by J. W. Keeler and Company Philadelphia.
It's a two-volume set.
Within each of these volumes is a copy of the Constitution, and it is very accurate.
The words are capitalized that you were talking about.
I have another booklet on the Constitution which was put out in 1968 by an insurance company, and those words are not capitalized that you were referring to earlier.
Now, I just sat here while you were talking about that, and I compared that to a booklet that's current that's called the Citizen's Rule Book.
Uh-huh.
I don't know if you're familiar with that.
It's put out, it's called a jury handbook.
Jury handbook, yeah, I've never seen that.
Right.
Now, in there is a copy of the Constitution.
I just compared to Lawson's.
The only part of it that I was able to compare was Article 1.
And the capitalization that you were talking about agrees in this book with the Lawson's edition that I have here from 1889.
Good.
so i had also uh... something a lot of things that i have
that the citizens rule book does have is the preamble to the bill of rights wonderful
so uh... i can give you the address uh... for people if they want to order this
okay do that please okay uh... it's called we the people john r
true cop p r u k o p
chairman one one nine one zero
dash meridian east
meridian e uh... sweep
one four two uh... here's a difficult name
tiawap i believe is the way you pronounce that washington t u
let me get that right t u y a l l u p
washington nine eight
three seven three and then there's a slash t d c i i don't know what that
means i guess it's something to do with the address
Oh, here we go.
Anyhow, it's published by Webster.
I see.
I think every old work by Webster has paper house productions.
So anyhow, if you write to these people, they have plenty of these books.
And this is a brand new publication, and it appears to be very accurate.
Okay, what's the name of the publication again that has the Constitution that they're going to write for?
Okay, this is the Citizen's Rule Book.
Okay.
And it's a small, small book.
And under that heading, it's called a Palladium of Liberty.
And there's a picture of Drummond Fife Corps with an American flag.
Wonderful.
And under that is, it says, Bill of Rights, Bicentennial Edition, December 15, 1991, Jury Handbook.
The fireworks are in the document itself.
Read the Constitution.
Boy, the fireworks really are in the document itself, aren't they?
Yeah.
Certainly.
Good point.
Good point.
Okay, well, I won't take any more of your time, but I thought you could use that information.
I pass on my congratulations to both of you for your work.
I've been at this for 25 years and I haven't seen it gotten anywhere.
At least we're getting somewhere.
Well we're getting somewhere slowly but surely.
I don't know if we have enough time or if we are waking enough people but we're trying and that's better than most people are doing and you're trying also and I want to thank you for your efforts.
Well thank you.
Good night.
We'll talk to you later.
Good night.
Okay, the line's open.
602-333-2174.
Good evening, you're on the air with Carolyn Nelson.
Yes, Bill.
Back in the 60s, I was able to purchase from the government printing office a facsimile full-size reproduction of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
It's rather difficult to read because it's in longhand, but it is a facsimile reproduction.
Do you remember offhand how much you paid for it?
nominal charge, something five to ten dollars.
I kind of have a certain feeling about the fact that we have to pay for a copy of the
Law of the Land.
I think they should be freely available, but I might share with you the fact that when
I went to Walden Books, the mall in Brownsville, there was a gentleman putting up an exhibit
and I asked if maybe he owned the store and he said no.
He's from Britannica.
And I said, maybe you can help then.
Do you all publish a copy of the Constitution for people to purchase?
And he said, no.
He said, well, I don't think the government wants people to have a copy of the Constitution and to know their rights.
Well this is printed, I have it printed on heavy paper and it comes rolled up in a Malin tube suitable for framing.
And it's full size.
Very good.
What do you think about what the man from the Encyclopedia Britannica told Carol?
I don't know what to, I'm not qualified to comment there.
Well I am, I think it stinks.
So I'll comment for all of us.
It stinks doesn't it?
Anyway, I haven't given it a try.
This is back in the 60s, but I think it would be well worthwhile to contact the government printing office and ask for a list of available publications.
Yeah, I'll pursue that and find out if we can get a copy if we can.
I found a printer, folks, that if we order enough copies of things, we can actually get the cost of printing down to one cent a page.
And that's absolutely incredible, so I'm going to pursue that too.
And if we can do that, we might be the outlet for the cheapest information that there is.
We're always looking for ways to drop prices.
I can do nothing about my book because I'm not self-published.
That price is set by the publisher.
But everything else we do, I can.
I can't do much about the videos because it costs an awful lot to reproduce videos in a limited small number.
And usually we have to wait until a lot of them stack up before we send them down to have them reproduced because we can't afford to have one or two or three reproduced.
The cost is too prohibitive.
The only ones that we do in-house are the Linda Thompson Waco videos.
But printed material, we can get that down dirt cheap if we can get enough people who wants to get this stuff.
So we'll look into that.
Thank you for calling.
If you have no other source for facsimile, I'll be glad to mail you these to use as an
original for reproduction.
Alright, do we have your contact address?
If Bill needs it, I'll be listening.
Alright, and one other thing I wanted to mention, this small handbook.
The other thing I was interested in is a constitution that would be small enough and useful to carry
in your bill folder or in your pocketbook.
So you would have a copy.
It would be used for about two feet by three feet.
Yeah, that would be useful for the home.
I think everyone should.
I think we need both sizes available.
Very good.
Thank you for calling.
Thank you for calling.
Yeah, everyone should have a copy of the original Constitution Bill of Rights, in my estimation,
hanging in their home.
I think it's absolutely necessary.
As Carolyn can see here, I always have a copy of the Constitution wherever I go and whatever I do.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Well, I'd like to tell Carol that as far as she's ever back down around Texas Way near Corpus Christi, that she's welcome and on home any time, because there's a lot of work that needs to be done down here as far as, I hate to say, enlightenment or illuminated after listening to your series there, but they need to be made aware.
So if she's ever coming back this way, she's welcome here.
I was in Port Isabel about the same time she was down there as a matter of fact on a statement
vessel.
She's welcome here and I will write to Mr. Cooper and give you an address here if you
ever get down this way if you need a place to stay you're welcome.
Fine, thank you.
That's very interesting.
I just spoke with a young Apache child who visited his grandfather in corporate New York.
No, he's not Apache.
He was of Mexican descent.
And he visited his grandfather in Corpus Christi.
And I said, well, I was just next door just a short time ago.
It's quite a large area.
And I understand they had floods down in that area.
Did you hear about that?
He's not on.
Good evening.
You're on the air.
Let me turn down my radio.
I was calling about the militia package.
You said that you're not offering them anymore?
No, we're not.
You can get them through Linda Thompson.
Okay, because I ordered mine like the first week that you sent them out, and I haven't got the copy.
You know something?
I run into this all the time.
These things don't grow on trees.
It takes an awful lot of work to assemble the legal knowledge and the paperwork to put together a separate package for each state.
When we made the offer, Linda had just begun that process.
Uh-huh.
She should be mailing them out about now.
Okay.
But we need people who want to help, and I'm not pinging on you.
We get this all the time.
I spend about 60% of my time talking to people who sent me a letter two weeks ago and can't figure out why they didn't get what they want right now.
Yes.
When people join CAGI, we do background checks.
It takes quite a while to do a background check so you don't get your membership package right away.
And it's not that we would refuse someone for something derogatory in the background.
It's just that we want to know who the players are.
If you understand what I mean.
Thank you for calling.
You're welcome.
The line is open 602-333-2174.
Open 602-333-2174.
Talk with Carolyn Nelson live on WWCR and Satellite Spacenet 3, Channel 21.
You're on the air.
Yes.
This is Rex.
Hi, Rex.
Yeah, am I on the air now?
Yes, you are.
The whole world is listening to you.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Anyway, Carol, your efforts are being congratulated.
You're not the only one.
For example, tomorrow I'll be going to Flagstaff and I'll be passing on information to my friends up there.
Great.
It took me all my time.
Many others... Okay, I do it all the time.
Anyway, thank you.
That's great.
And I'm over here in Chino Valley, and I appreciate the program, and William, you're sort of doing a fine effort there, so... I'll let someone else go on.
I just wanted to say thank you.
Thank you for calling.
Sure.
Line's open, 602-333-2174.
We just have time for maybe one more caller.
Good evening, you're on the air.
Hello?
Hello, you're on the air.
Yes, you were talking about the militia, and you had also mentioned that when you get a militia together, you are supposed to filter out certain people that do not belong.
Can you elaborate on what you meant by that?
Not tonight.
We don't have time, but if you really are interested, you should get interested in ordering the tape series of programs we did.
There's about 28 hours.
Entitled, The Mystery Schools.
Yeah, well, you know, it's like, are you against the Jews?
Is that what it is?
Are you crazy?
How long have you been listening to this show?
We're not against anyone.
We're for everyone.
We're against the manipulation that would make somebody think that they have to be against the Jews, or the blacks, or that the blacks have to be against the Koreans or the whites.
I suggest you listen to this show more often.
We're for Americans.
We're not for manipulations.
That's how they control us, pit us against each other.
While we're busy fighting against each other, they're enslaving us all.
Well, that's another manipulation.
They hate everybody except themselves.
Well, that's another manipulation.
They're wrong.
They're not a master race.
They're not going to be any master race.
Unfortunately, a lot of your listeners and callers, you know, belong to the Aryan Nations.
No, no, no, no, no.
I haven't ever received a call from anyone where they identified themselves as belonging to the Aryan Nations.
You're full of crap.
Good night.
Folks, that's going to do it for tonight.
I want to thank you all for listening, and I want to thank all the callers for calling in, and I want those of you who may be listening for the first time and may have some erroneous ideas, like that last caller.
Keep listening to this program and you'll find that this is probably the only real American radio program in this country, and it's probably the last bastion of free speech that there is, and it's probably the only place where you're likely to hear the truth.
We may be wrong once in a while.
If you bring our attention to it and you can prove that we're wrong, I'll come on the air and apologize and give you the right information.
Good night.
Carolyn, thank you very much for all that you've done and for being on our show tonight.
Thank you for having me.
And God bless you all.
If tomorrow all the things were gone, I'd work for all my life.
And I had to start again with just my children and my wife.
I thank my lucky stars to be living here today.
But the flags still stand for freedom and they can't take that away.
And I'm proud to be an American wearing these signs on my screen.
And I won't forget the men who died who gave that right to me.
And I'm glad they stand up next to you and remember today.
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