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July 27, 1992 - Bill Cooper
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Vladimir Terziski Interview Part I
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Well, once again, welcome to the Hour of the Time, the only hour that ever was, ever will be, or that ever is.
This is the hour during which you will decide your future, and thus our collective futures.
Tonight we have a very special guest with us, and we're going to be talking about suppressed technology that was developed many years ago and has been kept hidden from the general population of not only this country, but the world.
We've talked a little bit about this on other episodes of The Hour of the Time, but tonight we're going to go back to the origins.
We're going to talk about it in depth, where it came from, who's developed it, is it real, is it not real?
And by now, those of you who have been listening to this show for some time probably have realized that once again we're going to talk about UFOs.
I first met this gentleman during my lecture tours several years ago.
When I began to notice that right in front of my podium in the first row, the same gentleman seemed to be following me around the country and always had very penetrating questions to ask.
We eventually struck up conversation, got to know each other, and I found that behind the beard was a very good brain that was working all the time.
Some of his research has paralleled mine, and he certainly knows a lot more about some parts of this mystery than I do.
That's what we want to get at tonight.
We want to sort of pick his brain and get to what he knows.
about this mystery called UFOs.
His name is Vladimir Terzisky, and he is originally from Bulgaria.
And Vladimir, welcome to the Hour of the Tongue.
Thank you very much, Bill.
I'm very happy to be a part of this great show, probably one of the best shows on the West Coast.
Thank you.
Definitely a non-American show without any commercials, intellectual show that would make people Well you know a lot about that because you come from a country that was traditionally, you weren't allowed to have any freedom of speech at all.
And that's exactly how we learn to look for good shows.
We would listen to Radio Moscow, we would listen to Radio Vatican, to the BBC, to Voice of America, to Deutsche Welle, and we would compare their versions of the story.
And this is how people in Eastern Europe learn the ABCs, Practical Conspiratology, how the lies are Put together with white threads.
Never ever the versions are totally coincidental.
Always there will be a little difference.
How did you get to be in the United States?
What brought you here, Vladimir?
Well, I came as a political refugee in 1985.
Spent a year in a refugee camp in Vienna.
Studied German at the Vienna University at the time, waiting for my visa.
Arrived in Arizona in 1985.
Studied one year of Sociology at the Arizona State University and continued for two more years at UCLA.
But what brought me here was my dissatisfaction with my own country after spending four years of studies in Japan.
I studied Physics and Engineering at Tokai University.
Yes, from 1974 to 1980.
Coming back from Japan into an Eastern European country, and Bulgaria in particular, fights with Romania for the place before the last place in Europe, just ahead of Albania, is a highly developed European country, so the culture and technological shock would be tremendous for someone coming back from Japan into such a country.
Certainly.
Let's get into the subject of tonight's talk.
Where in history have you found the first real technology that may have led to what we now call unidentified flying objects, flying saucers, UFOs, all these different names that people have labeled these things.
Well, Bill, just with three sentences, my interest in UFOs was exploded while I was in Japan.
Japan is an extremely open society about UFOs.
On primetime television, one would see documentary films that would never be shown in the United States, from all over the world, from Australia, from the United States, from Europe.
And being an engineer and being fascinated as a small child with aviation, I developed a very deep interest into the anti-gravity part of the UFO equation.
How the hell do these things fly?
I remember the first ever volume of the encyclopedia I picked up when my father subscribed for the Great Soviet Encyclopedia was the volume on aviation.
This was my first encyclopedic search before I ever went to primary school.
I was 12 at the time.
I've been fascinated with flying contraptions.
So, after I developed my interest in UFOs in Japan, that was in the late 70s, after arrival in the United States in 85, I started avidly reading books, journals about UFOs, collecting a vast video library.
I have about 200 documentary films about UFOs from all over the world.
I'm fluent in Japanese, Russian, German.
English and I can read technical texts from other European languages so I don't have any problem for using documentaries from these countries.
And about a year and a half ago I heard the first rumors that the Germans had developed Some anti-gravity flying machines of a circular or lenticular form that we colloquially call flying saucers.
I've been fascinated with anti-gravity before that, and I thought that I had discovered some of the big secrets, so-called, of anti-gravity.
Subsequently, I realized that the Germans had utilized all these secrets in very simple engineering devices that took off successfully and were tested.
Before the war ended.
Was there, is there any hint of this going back farther in history?
I know during the 1800s in the newspaper accounts in the United States, there are stories of a giant, they say giant, nobody really knows how big this thing was, but it was an airship that went across the country.
Ghost airships.
Well not ghosts, because this thing actually landed, people got out and talked to people.
It can be found in... Yeah, that's the label they use about them in the UFO literature.
But it's a very important question about how technology is generally developed on a planet.
I am of the opinion that secret societies, hermetic sciences, secret brotherhoods, have been keeping Safekeeping, safeguarding, developing and using elite knowledge that has not been accessible to the general public for the last five, six thousand years.
So I will say nothing new under the sun.
It is not the Germans that developed anti-gravity first.
The first report about A workable flying anti-gravity machine that I heard was of the American John Keely, a genius of the Tesla and Schauberger type, that lived in the late 1800s.
In 1860, in the early 1860s, he demonstrated a flying, working, flying anti-gravity platform to the war ministry.
It was a device the size of a bathtub, with a lever, control lever sticking on top of it.
She put a chair on top of that device, sat in the chair, pulled the lever forward, the device rose silently, noiselessly, then pulled the lever further forward, and it accelerated at tremendous speed horizontally, then stopped at a dime, came backwards, and landed.
All of it, noiselessly, Kili never fell off the chair.
The chair was not bolted to the device.
The guys from the war ministry scratched their smart heads and said, well, now we don't see any reason for, any purpose for this device in the future.
So this is the story of...
John Keighley is a genius of a very rare kind.
There's a John Keighley Society in Colorado.
Anyone who is interested in this rare literature, I will be glad to provide information later on.
My phone number in Los Angeles is 210-473-9717 and I will repeat it one more at the end of the show.
But the John Keeley Society provided me with incredible information.
Actually, he created a whole science of sympathetic vibration, something that has been later expurged from the libraries.
John Keeley, as a name, is not found in any database.
It's not mentioned in any library.
The guys from the John Keeley Society have determined that, obviously, it comes from a book.
They have page numbers, but they've never been able to locate the book itself.
The books have been They may still be found in some private collections or in some dusty attic.
John Kelly created other things, including free energy devices.
He built a 250 horsepower free energy locomotive.
He built incredible tunnel digging, tunnel boring devices that were using sound.
We can call him the genius of sound vibrations.
Through masterful manipulation of sound, one can attain mastery of the lower classes of energies and of matter.
Obviously, it's my understanding that there are hierarchical levels of energies in the universe.
The few interactions that we know of physics, before it really speculated about the fifth, the gravitational, the electromagnetic, the weak and the strong interaction, and now physics speculates about the fifth, the opposite of gravitational force.
These are just a small fraction of The large number of energies and interactions that exist in the universe.
And John Keeley was able somehow to tap to one of these, the magic of sound.
Another report that I know of the late 1800s is, of course, the information coming about Nikola Tesla.
Nikola Tesla was another genius of the Keeley and Schauberger type.
Someone who would receive his ideas in basically a finished vision.
All he had to do is put the idea on paper and then the guys in the shop had to put the paper into metal.
And these things were always working.
Tesla was assuming that, I'm sorry, Edison was assuming that Tesla never sweated in the shop, in the lab, but This was the nature of his genius.
He was getting his ideas somewhere from the upper floors of the universe in a ready form.
Anyway, Tesla worked extensively on so many numerous fields of physics that we can call him the genius of electromagnetics.
The oscillating electrical current that we use nowadays is probably the first and the smallest of Tesla inventions that he did in the 1870s, 1880s.
What Tesla did after that had been successfully dispersed from public libraries.
His name had been downplayed.
I've even seen photographs of his image airbrushed away from a photograph of a group of scientists at the Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton, where Einstein happens to be in the same photograph.
Obviously, if someone is in the same photograph with Einstein, then he is not just any scientist.
He's a major scientist.
Anyway, my feeling is that the stories about the Gulf airships of the late 1800s It's probably true that these have been secret engineering projects, let's call them black projects, financed through shady financiers, private financiers, by the bankers and the Illuminati and the secret societies behind the scenes.
The fictional book Genesis and its prequel Inception by Harbinson are, in my opinion, a very true story, in my humble opinion, a true story of how these secret societies develop new technologies that are never divulged to the public, at least for 50 years.
In that story they have the creation of airships way before the turn of the century.
They even mention the existence of a turboprop biplane that crossed the Atlantic Before the Wright Brothers' plane flew, they even insinuate that the Combustion Explosion in 1905 or 1908, somewhere there, was actually an explosion of a crude nuclear-powered flying device of a saucer shape that was created by a brilliant American scientist named Wilson.
Of course, two-thirds of this fictional novel is about the research and development in anti-gravity and the creation of a large family of flying saucers in Germany before and during the Second World War.
Excuse me, but is there any evidence that this man Wilson actually lived?
This may be, see whether Harbeson himself knows German.
I have a little suspicion that he just published a brilliant book.
He never followed with anything for ten years.
And if he doesn't know German, then it would be obvious for me that he just got this material as a big thick file from some somewhere.
We all know from where.
And he was asked to write one nice book, probably a bestseller, because this is one of the many skeletons in the closet of the secret societies.
and the government black posse, that they won't eventually be taken out to the public, that they want to wash one more piece of dirty laundry.
So you think Genesis may have been something like Missing Time or Majestic by Streber?
Yes, yes, yes.
In my opinion, the book Genesis, because the part of Genesis that I investigated thoroughly, the part about the German fine sauces, ...turn out to be many times beyond...
What was discussed in Genesis.
I mean, the Genesis was a gross understatement of the German anti-gravity research and development effort.
Let's go to one more item.
One more item.
So, Tesla is known to have developed anti-gravity using an electromagnetic principle.
John Kelly developed anti-gravity using vibrational sound techniques.
And I have a suspicion that both of these anti-gravity devices were free energy devices, namely flying transformers of energy that would transform types of energy that we have not discovered, we know very little about yet, into energies that we know about a little bit more and we can use as mechanical work.
I mean, electricity or just mechanical work.
I have a feeling that some of these airships of the late 1800s were the first experimental devices utilizing the lift-off.
Hydrogen and possibly helium.
And I also have a suspicion that they may have had some hybrid anti-gravity drives installed in them, because of the strange designs that I see.
I tend to believe in drawings when I see them in the paper, because people's eyes are a very good optical, how should I say, image processing and data storing mechanism, in my opinion.
Only at the turn of the century, there have been many reports, Fortean reports, Well, the latest is the one I read in one of the latest issues of Faith Magazine about flying saucers being noticed in many parts of the United States landing and people talking in plain American English and wearing Navy uniforms.
I have a feeling that these are the first and secret Black Project anti-gravity vehicles developed with Tesla technology by the Navy for the Navy, financed by the secret societies and the bankers.
So, we see a whole line of secret sciences developed.
These are not all the secret sciences that are developed by the secret societies.
This is less than 5%, less than 1% of the secret sciences that are developed in parallel, in faraway farms, by shady financiers.
Uh, by crazy scientists.
My feeling is that probably all the films that, science fiction films that we've seen about crazy scientists in Frankensteinian labs are exactly that.
Secret black project financed by, uh, the international secret societies.
So, by the time the Germans came to power, I have found at least five instances of anti-gravity craft developed on this planet.
The latest instance is the lenticular aerodyne by Henri Coanda, a Frenchman.
I have an engineering drawing of this device, and I repeat, anyone who's interested in more information can give me a call, write me a letter, and I will send full information, faxes, I mean, clear copies of the drawings and so on.
I have several videos on the topic.
Qantas Antiquo Aerodyne utilized a hybrid helicopter-propeller lift and anti-gravity lift.
It was powered by thermal jets and ramjets.
It was an invention that preceded its time with at least 10-15 years.
So, by the time... What time period are we talking about?
1930.
Okay.
Kuandas and Hitler are dying.
And my feeling is that by the time the... well, Hitler came to power, it was well established in the scientific community of the secret societies that anti-gravity is extremely easy to obtain.
That simple spinning of an object, would produce anti-gravity.
I came in a roundabout way to the research of German flying saucers.
Initially I started, should I call it an anthropological study of anti-gravity, simply collecting stories, myths and legends about anti-gravity flying from fractures from different places and times, from From academic, from tabloid sources, from ancient astronaut stories, from modern-day inquisitive accounts, from revelatory books and so on.
What's the most interesting story that you've collected?
Actually, the most funny story that I collected was about... It came from a Russian officer, a Russian lieutenant major, Two-star officer who met an extraterrestrial while walking past a Siberian lake.
They invited him for a joyride, poked his brains without any pain.
It was a joyride experience, not a social abduction.
He consented to that and was extremely happy.
At the end they wanted to delete his brain because this is, well, the code of the universe.
You do not leave any traces of your visitation.
He didn't want to part with this pleasurable experience, so with his typical cunning Russian deceitfulness of a cunning Russian peasant, he started desperately to try to find a way to deceive them.
And he came with a very usual plot.
What else but vodka?
So he said, you know guys, upon parting we have a very well established custom.
We always drink with our friends.
Great, so what do you drink?
Well, we drink vodka.
What is vodka?
He had a hard time remembering the chemical formula of alcohol from his high school days.
Then he wrote, they told him he can write with his finger on the wall of the craft and use it as a blackboard.
He wrote the formula, they quickly synthesized the liquid.
He came back with a strange-looking cup, only one cup, and gave it to him.
He has a mope.
Aren't you going to drink with me soon?
And they said, Oh, no, no, no.
If we were to drink this liquid, we would have never reached this level of evolution that we are on right now, but you can drink it.
So he quickly drank the liquid.
When they put him on the bench to delete his memory, they figured, Came the puzzled voice of the operator of the console.
He said, I don't know what to delete.
All his senses of brain activity are brightly lit.
Obviously because of the vodka.
So he just deleted whatever he thought were the memories of his abduction experience.
And they were mistaken.
They deleted parts of his childhood experiences.
He forgot some Missing months of his army service and so on.
But he remembered this whole abduction and the whole joyride.
And the answer to his question, well, how do you find a saucer spy?
He said, well, the alien said, oh, very simple.
It's a spinning nuclear reactor.
By dipping in and taking out the control rods, you control the lift.
It's one big reactor that spins along a vertical axis that creates the big lift that takes us away from the planet, and another small reactor that rotates on a horizontal axis, that creates the horizontal propulsion to move us across the horizon.
And many other stories, but this is probably one of the funniest stories of a failed, how shall I say, mind deletion, of a failed missing time experience.
My anthropological study of Myths and legends about anti-gravity spanning over several thousand years of terrestrial history has found one common denominator of all stories about anti-gravity.
Namely, that simple spinning would create anti-gravity.
One does not need fancy alien hardware, incredible software.
Spinning of any material body fast enough would reduce its weight When a certain critical revolution, rotational velocity is reached, the body flies away.
Then the question is how to better achieve this spinning with the existing engines of the time.
And this is exactly the question that the German engineers were confronted with.
And basically they used every existing engine of the time.
I have discovered drawings sketches and stories of flying saucer devices powered by
gasoline engines with propellers, powered by vehicle engines with propellers.
I even have a suspicion that the very ventral engine itself was created to power a flying saucer because... You're talking about what we call a wave form?
Ventral, yeah.
Ventral engine.
Because of its rotational symmetry, it can be used to spin a craft one way while the person inside spins the other way.
There's a question of balancing that I haven't figured out yet, but this is just a suspicion of mine.
Beyond the internal combustion engines, the Germans used any other engine that they had.
They tried turbojet engines, pulsejet, ramjet engines and rocket engines.
They tried them in an outboard configuration and an inboard configuration.
We know from the history of German aviation, turbojet aviation, that at the end of the war they didn't have much time to hide the engines inside the craft.
So a lot of their craft had outboard engines.
The Heinkel, I think, 2-11 People Fighter was built hastily in few months and it had the engine sitting on top of the fuselage.
So hasty outboard engine attachment is nothing new to anyone who is well ...aware of the advanced research and development in aviation, standard aviation.
Later on they developed inboard engines.
I will mention several of the models that were built by the Germans.
Actually the first model that they built was the flying saucer built by Schlieger.
In the early 40s, 40-41, it was a hybrid model between a helicopter lift and an anti-gravity lift.
The thing looked like a giant Terry's wheel, 15 meters diameter, about 45 feet diameter dish.
spinning along a vertical axis.
The cabin was in the center of the whole creation.
It was telescopically stabilized so that the pilots would not spin into insanity with the whole craft.
And around that cabin we had this huge disc spinning.
The disc had multiple helicopter propeller blades that could change their pitch in order to control for the lifting power.
And the information that I have is that at a time of takeoff or sharp angle 5G maneuvers, the needed RPMs were around 1500-1600, while at a steady state, horizontal speed or hovering, It could get by with only 600 RPMs per minute.
This wheel was spun into action initially by turbojet engines.
The Germans utilized the standard Messerschmitt 262 jet fighter engine, developed by, one of them was a BMW, the other one was developed by Junkers, the Jumo 002 engine.
Three engines were spinning the disc around the vertical axis and two more engines attached under the stationary cabin were propelling the whole device forward.
Later on, of course, the first attempt It crashed because of tremendous wobbling and vibrations.
They were not able to fine-tune and illuminate the vibrations of this huge spinning construction.
Later on they solved the problem and the first disc reached a speed of 2,000 kilometers an hour, about 1,300 miles an hour, almost twice the speed of sound.
The rumor is that even Air Marshal Göring rode one of the disks.
Later on the Germans attached rocket engines, particularly the Walther rocket engine, and several variations of it, that increased the horizontal speed to 3,000 and subsequently 4,000 kilometers an hour, which is more than three times the speed of sound.
Probably these were small bursts of speed because My feeling is that these initial prototypes were probably made of the same duraluminum that they were using for their standard turbojet planes.
So if they were to push the crack too hard, they would have simply melted it in the atmosphere.
The silver disc was tested from early 40s, 40-41 until 40-45.
The later models dispensed entirely with the helicopter lift and relied only on the anti-gravity lift created by the spinning hull.
The very hull of the saucer was spinning.
Only the cabin in the center of the craft was kept stationary by gyroscopes.
When you say anti-gravity, Vladimir, are you talking about another force that actually opposes or negates the force of gravity, or is this just feeding another energy force?
You're talking about a spinning mass creating some force that allows this to ride into the air.
Well, gravity, anti-gravity, energy, electrons, mass, these are all labels.
Physical variables, but these are just primitive labels that we attach to things in nature that we are trying to understand.
Higher and more advanced races will probably heartily laugh at our primitive attempt, more or less wrong, but still we are trying to have some clarity.
My feeling is that all these labels are just convenient metaphors and tools of our mind.
When I say anti-gravity, Let's say that I just mean the ability to negate the pull of gravity.
The ability to... Without the conventional methods that we're used to, such as airfoil or helicopter blades or something like that?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Still, I have to repeat that the first model A visual hybrid model.
Always when we create something new it would be a hybrid and it would incorporate features of the old and preceding model or technology.
But later on they got rid of the helicopter aerodynamic lift propeller blade entirely for the spinning heavy mass of the fuselage of the body of the craft that was creating this anti-gravity lift.
My feeling is that when a heavy massive object is spun around a vertical axis, it probably drags around itself the fabric of space-time.
Modern physics would stay away from the word ether because My concern is more to prove that ether doesn't exist, but the word fabric of space-time will be used, or vacuums, papers on energy from
Well, we know there must be some fabric of space, because physics agrees that space can be built.
If you can pull space, there must be something to pull.
Yeah.
Even in very serious physics journals, like Physical Review Letters and Nature and other journals, we would see little by little articles about getting energy from vacuum, which is probably from the fabric of space, then, which is probably from heat.
Anyway, convenient labels.
But my feeling is that working antigravity drives probably drag and spin around themselves the fabric of space-time, creating an etheric vortex, a whirlwind.
You said something that I find very interesting.
You said the fabrics of space-time.
And it's always been my contention that these machines are time machines.
What do you think about it?
A very good point.
They may introduce little dispersions in time that an accurate atomic time clock would measure as An artificial satellite that has an atomic time clock on board would measure a little delay in time.
Even an atomic time clock spun around the globe on a standard passenger jet plane would show little delay.
So they do interfere with space action.
But if you're talking about a practical time machine that would take us backwards or forwards in time, it would take a little bit more hardware and gadgetry.
But it is still easily attainable.
My feeling is that these are technologies that were attained by both the Germans and this country's government almost half a century ago.
But it's a topic of an entirely different discussion.
So, coming back to the German time machines, The next important model that was built was probably one of the most famous of all models, the so-called Kugelblitz, or the Kraut Ball, as it was jokingly called by the Allied pilots.
Or the Kraut Meteor.
Or the Foo Fighter.
Foo Fighter.
The name came probably from the way These machines were swooshing by many times faster than the speed of the lumbering bombers.
A bomber would make three, four hundred kilometers an hour.
A natural smith would make six, six fifty.
A full fighter would make fifteen hundred, two thousand, twenty-nine hundred kilometers an hour.
For them, bombers were sitting ducks.
Even fighters were sitting ducks.
So the name fool fighter is a very good name.
It's just...
...conveys the image of the, the idea of the situation, how five of these machines were swooshed by.
Renato Vesco, who is the, let's call him the Italian Werner von Braun, the research and development boss of the Italian Air Force, before and during the Second World War, in his brilliant book that was also kind of removed from the libraries and has been stopped from publication, the book is called Intercept But Don't Shoot, or Intercept UFO, Originally published in Italian and probably shortened in its British release.
Even more shortened in its American release.
I have a copy of this book and I read it and he says basically the same thing that you say.
Exactly.
In his book he traced the whole development of anti-gravity in Germany, but he stopped short of many interesting developments.
He is basically talking about the lower 1, 2, 3 levels of this research and development pyramid, omitting the most interesting top levels, top tiers of research.
Don't you think that in the position that he occupied with the Italian government, But it was probably wise of him to do that.
Maybe he couldn't write more.
What he wrote about was incredible to me.
And he documented every bit of it.
I mean, he's listed... He knew what he was talking about.
Yes, absolutely.
And he's a brilliant physicist and engineer.
This is a highly technical book written in a popular language by someone who is a physicist and engineer.
No doubt about that.
And there he mentions about three dozen accounts of attacks of Foo Fighters on Allied bomber formations with devastating consequences for the bombers.
I mean, it was no match in game.
But these Foo Fighters didn't really shoot at the bombers.
Well, they were so advanced, they didn't have to shoot.
What they did was totally annihilate the electrical system.
Exactly, exactly.
At the beginning, they were just following the bomber.
The Germans were ironing out the tracking, the following technique, the techniques of following a bomber formation without getting too close, without being too far away.
These were remote-controlled weapons platforms, vertical take-off.
They had remote television navigation.
remote sensing, acoustic, electromagnetic, infrared sensing, that were 10, 15, 20 years ahead of their time.
They could automatically escape when fired upon.
So, when the attacks began, these Google Blitzes were using extremely strong electromagnetic radiation to fry the amplifiers, the receivers of the Allied bomber radars, to blind them, so that they couldn't find their goals.
Later on, they mounted even more powerful klystron tubes that were creating such monstrous electromagnetic fields around them.
They were comparable to the electromagnetic pulse of a thermic bomb.
These tubes were powerful enough to dampen ...and to nullify the electrical currents in the electrical circuitry of the bombers flying nearby, so that their engines would cut out, because of no more sparks in the spark plugs.
As long as the... and the moment the bugle buses would separate and fly away, the engines would restart.
This is actually how the book Genesis starts, with a crash of an Allied bomber after an attack by a Kugelwitz.
And this is well documented, not by pilots, by... I think the Kugelwitz is one of the most, besides the B-2 bomber and the... Yeah.
It's part of the most well-documented secret weapon the Germans had.
There's no doubt that they had these.
The two little bits in the fireball.
The two secret flying balls that were hanging like Christmas tree ornaments, like glowing orbs in the skies of Germany before they started attacking the bombers.
They had a man version of the Kugelblitz.
And the funny thing is that it's a very simple weapon.
It was a kerosene-burning, turbojet-powered device.
I'm not sure whether they carried the oxidizer on board or not.
They were either air-breathing, breathing air from the atmosphere, or carrying the oxidizer on board.
But, basically, They used the same materials, the same fuel, the same navigation as they were using for their phytoplankton, although with incredible speeds.
The ionization layer around the Kugelblitz was effectively negating the aerodynamic resistance of the atmosphere, bringing it down to almost zero.
That's why they could attain these incredible speeds.
Even inside the atmosphere.
Was the ionization layer what caused this brilliant light?
Yes, exactly.
They were using some additives to the fuel that would increase the ionization coefficient, and the ionization would work as a lubricant around the crack, almost reducing to zero the head aerodynamic resistance.
We can talk for hours about the Kugelblitz.
I've collected so much information on it.
I even think that I have a very good photograph of a Kugelblitz inside.
The funny thing is that the photograph was taken in 1952 over Mount Rainier in Washington State.
And my suspicion is that this Kugelblitz may have been tested.
Test flown out of the secret British research and development facility.
A huge city for 50,000 people that was built in... Western Canada.
Western Canada in British Columbia.
And this is the direction from which the first big flying saucer flap came from, the nine saucers... Flying saucer formation that Kenneth Arnold saw.
Right.
And Renato Vesco in his book even mentions that when some of these saucers that King and Arnold saw crashed, some porous metal was found at the crash site.
The porous metal, what the Germans called the luftschaum.
The air foam was exactly the porous metal with these microscopic micron size, or whatever size, miniature size pores, holes that were... Like a beehive.
Thinner than that.
Smaller than that.
I didn't mean to say beehive.
I meant to say honeycomb.
What's a honeycomb?
Yeah, it was actually one of the first composite materials made with, sintered with powder metallurgy.
I mean, the Germans developed not only advanced aviation technology, but they developed powder metallurgy that was ahead of its time, and metals that were ahead of the time with more than 100 years.
A so-called metal, the imperium, that was harder than diamond, was developed by them and using these machines later on.
I've heard stories that a piece of imperium was held toward a diamond grinding wheel or put on an electric motor, an electric diamond grinding wheel, until the wheel started glowing red hot because of the frictional temperature coming out of the friction between the Imperium and the will.
But the imperium never melted, and never ever was anything grounded away from it.
It was hardened in diamond.
So these stories about crash-firing saucers, where they couldn't cut the metal, and they couldn't burn the metal, that doesn't mean that it wasn't made here.
Exactly, exactly.
I don't want to say that all trash, crap on this planet were made by the Germans.
Maybe some of them were either, because we don't know.
But we do know.
But?
We do know that we have developed this technology.
But the whole set of technologies needed for a crash disk scenario or even a little grey abduction scenario were created by the Germans fifty years ago and have been in the government arsenal of all superpowers for half a century.
So going back to the German disks, After the Kugelblitz and the Vorwahl, which is the second version of the Kugelblitz, and it was the main version, the Germans developed their first and large drawing, the megaproject, the Bellonso-Nietzsche-Füberglitz, which was their first operational fighter saucer.
It was a standard turbojet craft, Well, a third project was also useful, using low-grade aviation kerosene.
At the end of the war, the Germans had a very low-grade gasoline.
I mean, they were running on octane numbers that few Allied machines would ever move.
It turned out to be a boon for everyone, because jet fuel, because of that, eventually turned out to be nothing more than a version of kerosene.
Exactly, and it's non-explosive.
It's a lot less explosive than gasoline.
Otherwise we would have had a lot more Kinderbolt-type crashes, airplanes.
So the Belong to Me, the Schriever disk was, again, a disk about 15 meters diameter, about 45 feet diameter.
At the beginning they tried eight turbojet engines of the Jumo, I think, 002 type.
The standard jets used in the Messerschmitt 262 fighter plane.
And it was for the benefit of our listeners was the first fighter plane.
Turbojet, operational turbojet fighter plane.
Actually the Heinkel 179 was the first turbojet plane that ever took off.
It happened in the summer of 1939.
Three, four years before the first British aircraft took off.
Yeah, the first jet-powered aircraft took off in 1939, but operational jet aircraft weren't in the air actually fighting until almost the very end of the war.
Well, let me ask you something.
They didn't spend time for research.
I mean, the fighter planes of the Second World War, the Messerschmitts, they had been developed for ten years before that.
But look at the Japanese.
I bet the Japanese, if they'd have had that, they wouldn't have spent time for research, because they were sending pilots up in the air to go to their death.
As the guidance system for bombs.
The pilot actually was the guidance system for throwing bombs, that they would just fly right into our ships.
I agree, but still they had extensive research before the war too, and they got a lot of information from the Germans, including up to the very last months of the war, even after the war ended in Germany, they were still getting, with the huge German transport submarines, Bizarre flying contraptions, including disassembled flying saucers that were assembled according to an eyewitness account of a Japanese engineer that worked for a Mitsubishi aircraft factory.
they assembled the same device, pushed the button, it flew away, they got so scared they
dynamited the other device, or that's what they said, said their prayers, and this was
the end of the Japanese.
Anyway, so, uh, I can't, I can't, you see the Japanese getting scared and running away,
but that's okay, you can tell me.
You raised a very valid question, why it took so long for the turbojet to be developed.
You know, I mean, the first turbojet plane was probably a ten minute flight, ten days repair situation, or maybe a month of repair.
The biggest problem is being able to carry enough fuel to stay in the air for long enough to get to it.
Everything would be leaking.
The gas turbine would wear down very fast.
The ball bearings would melt and so on.
These things could hardly stay in the air for 15 minutes without developing any trouble.
While the piston fighters could fight for hours without major failures because they had already from Well, first of all, go back to 1914.
What is it, about 25 years of extensive history?
I've got to interrupt.
You know, this is fascinating.
I've got to tell you, this is absolutely fascinating, and I know that our listeners are just as fascinated as I am, and I know an awful lot about this, but still... You're at the tip of the iceberg.
That's right.
You haven't even scratched it yet.
What we're going to do is, would you consent to come back and do maybe one or two more shows, No, it's great.
I can't tell you how happy it makes me to have someone who has this kind of knowledge on this show.
It's something that everybody needs to understand that technology has been developed in secret and with code from the common man for so many years that a lot of, well for instance in the United States, Every year the United States government spends $90 billion.
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