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That's how he says it, right?
Yeah.
It's a trap.
That's what I remember.
Yeah, the way that people say it or like it's on memes is...
That's what I say.
It's a trap.
No, but you're even putting more on trap.
You remember putting more emphasis on that?
I disagree.
It's a trap.
I just said you're very.
It's a trap.
I still think you're yelling trap too much.
I mean, the pitch is the same.
It's a trap.
It's a trap.
He almost...
It's a trap.
He goes up in pitch, but he doesn't really go up in volume.
He's like, it's a trap.
It's a trap.
I can't hear Kyle John.
I think they leveled out.
I think they leveled out his volume.
All I'm saying is the memes and stuff about that.
It's always like, it's a trap.
Here's another thing.
If you don't have the face of a squid creature, you have to lean into the voice a little bit more to translate.
So like I tell people when they're learning new languages, think of the stereotypical accent and kind of lean into that.
Because chances are, if you lean into that, you are going to sound more like that language than you are with an American accent.
Two things.
You make it sound like you actually teach a language course?
Yeah, like you're a...
Oh, do you really?
I...
I've taught people languages before.
Languages or dialects?
Dialects or languages?
Language.
So language, what?
No, not the inverted grief cardio.
To people that speak Mandarin?
Yes.
Exclusively Mandarin.
Chinese, I assume.
Kind of Chinese.
Is that what you're talking about?
I have taught dialects before.
Oh, yeah.
So you have to lean into the jowliness, right?
It's a trap.
To translate to people.
I was still in the compressor.
It's a trap.
I think the compressor keeps it from, you know, from the volume from crescendoing.
Here's another Star Wars quote.
Travis, can you identify it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It's Nub Nub.
Nyun Yub.
Yeah.
Yes, whatever his name is.
Myeum Myeo.
Mye-myeon.
Yeah, he was my favorite character.
Yeah, Not really.
Mine was Ray.
You know, when I was little.
I'm Ray.
I'm Ray.
My favorite character was Wicket.
Do you think anybody's favorite character is Rose Tico?
Like, is there any kid?
No, I'm not talking about woke people.
I'm talking about some kid at home that watches Star Wars.
I was one of that action figure.
I doubt it, but I know we lean a lot into the Rose jokes.
I don't get it.
I liked Rose.
I liked Rose okay from the movies.
She was fine until the very end with the whole taking out Finn thing.
That was weird.
That was weird.
But other than that, her character is fine.
And you could take that to the bank.
It's like, don't you know the meaning of a noble sacrifice?
Like, do you understand what I'm doing?
Like, that was just like, oh, you're going to kill yourself.
He's like, yeah, that was the whole thing.
That's the whole point.
That's the entire thing.
That's why I'm here.
She's like, we're not going to win by fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love.
He's like, well, I was about to save what I love by blowing this thing up.
Why won't you let me do that?
And now everybody's dead.
And now we're all dead.
Rose.
Rose.
Stupid Rose.
Well, everybody, now that you have been introduced to our discussion on Admiral Akbar.
Travis, what are you doing with the facial hair?
Is this going to?
No, it's going to go away.
It is.
It is?
Yes.
Oh, I kind of like it.
Does your wife not like it?
No, she likes it too, except for the roughness, if you know what I mean.
It's like sand.
Oh, boy.
I probably shouldn't say it.
It's like sand.
It's coarse.
And it gets everywhere.
The roughness.
No, I just was curious.
So she likes it, but you're not going to keep it?
No.
Also, I think I have a little bit of a Drew Carey problem here where I'm like, oh, that doesn't look like Travis.
We're treating him too seriously.
That's what Colin.
I'm talking about after Drew Carrey.
No, not his weight.
The fact that he has to wear glasses to make he has laser eye vision.
He has laser eye vision?
He has 20-20 now because he had LASIK.
But he keeps wearing his glasses because that's how he's...
That's how he's now.
Would you consider just for a sketch, continuing to grow it out and then shaving everything but the mustache?
We have a particular sketch.
It's a sketch where we're just going to say sweet stash, bro.
It's a weird sketch.
But no, yeah, I mean, I grew it out for the Apostle Hoax one.
Yep.
Resurrection Hoax, which is my favorite sketch, probably.
I also cut myself shaving right here.
Very close to my eye.
What were you shaving?
I was like, so I'll shave.
I use a razor just to shave up here.
And I was just kind of getting this stuff.
And I don't know why, but I like, I like went super high.
And I was like, are you secretly like one of those Mexican Wolfman brothers?
Your hair starts about right here.
It's like, oh, I cut myself shaving and it's like up here.
Where is it?
Do you still have that?
Yeah, look.
See this red?
Oh, yeah.
That looks like you got punched in the eye.
It's like way up on my eye.
My wife didn't punch me or anything.
I am the alpha male.
I fell down the stairs.
I'm going to show up with a bruise.
I cut myself shaving.
Well, everyone, this is a fun episode.
Well, maybe it will be.
Where we're going to count down five books from each of us that we think you should read.
Now, for my list, I don't know how you guys did it.
I didn't particularly choose my five favorite books.
And I didn't particularly choose like, I try not to pick ones that I've talked about recently, like my reading list from last year and such, although a couple made it on there.
Other ground rules, did we exclude like ones that we are pretty sure that everyone knows we would recommend?
Like Bible?
You excluded Bible.
And Lord of the Rings.
I excluded Lord of the Rings.
I tried to pick ones that maybe are a little more off the beaten book.
I think we're all on the same page then.
Travis is looking, he's sweating.
His list is all Bible.
Bible books.
Different books of the Bible.
Ephesians.
Ephesians.
I mean, it was really easy to get to five.
All right.
Why don't you start us out, Jarrett, with your number five book that our readers and listeners should read?
Okay.
Number five.
So this is for the Christian audience out there, but it is a very challenging book that I read about 20 years ago that really made a difference in my walk.
It was so great that he didn't read it for 20 years.
No, I have read it multiple times.
But it's one of those that was in my grandfather's spiritual library that I inherited from him, but I had already read it like three times and I didn't know it was part of his journey too.
So it was really interesting.
Goosebumps.
Recently.
Sorry.
That's honorable snowman of peace.
I was trying to think of a title.
No, it's called.
Whoa, the door just locked.
After we start talking about goosebumps.
No, I'm scared.
It's called Reese Howell's Intercessor.
That's in the title?
That's the name of the book.
Wait, what?
By a guy named Norman Grubb.
So Reese Howells is not the...
Reese Howells is the name...
It's a biography about a guy named Reese Howells.
That was.
Is he Mr. Howell from Gilligan's Island?
No.
No.
He was a poor Welshman that's a good Christ.
Yeah, he's a really interesting guy.
Very obedient Christian, and a lot of crazy stuff happened to me.
I thought you were going to say very obese.
He's a very obese.
That's a weird takeaway.
No, it was a good book, though, and it was very challenging.
I'm not sure.
I don't know how much I agree with all the theology in it anymore, but I do think that it was very challenging as a Christian.
So it was helpful.
I think you guys should read it.
What can happen if somebody stop the podcast and truly obedient to the Holy Spirit?
The rest of the podcast is us all quietly sitting through reading every 50 minutes.
Chapter 6.
It's quite good.
Oh, you're on chapter 6 already?
I'm still in chapter 4.
I'm a quick reader.
My number 5, this breaks some of my rules because I talked about this one recently.
My number five that I think everybody should read is The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis.
And the reason I picked this is I just reread it again, and I read it the year before, and I read it the year before, and it keeps coming back to me as one that I just want to read all the time.
It's also only about 90 pages, and you can read it in a couple of hours, so there's no reason not to.
And it's one of those books that's like an onion that just, you know, peels back like an ogre.
Like an ogre has layers, and you peel back the layers of the ogre.
And there's just more and more to think about.
And the more I read the book, the more prescient C.S. Lewis seems about our current age with things like AI and Neuralink and all these technological advancements.
And C.S. Lewis is standing there holding up a big stop sign and nobody's listening to him.
I like how C.S. Lewis has a few of these books that are really, really short, but have like so much nuggets packed into them.
Because for people that want to pad their reading list, they're like, oh, this one's short.
And then it ends up being one of the best books you've ever seen.
I did that because I read, that was my 51st book I read last year just to like pad it.
And I was like, this is the best book I read all year.
Yep.
100% agree.
Oh, yeah.
So Abolition of Man, if you haven't read it, read it.
And then send me an email.
I'd love to hear if you read it recently and what you thought.
Podcast at battlembia.com.
So would I. Have you seen the movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson?
Yes.
Well, to be fair, I was not asking him.
Maybe.
When did it come out?
Only talk to him.
1999.
Just cheer.
I might have seen it.
Okay.
Well, in the movie, Mel Gibson's character keeps buying Catcher in the Rye.
And the way you talk about Abolition of Man, how you keep reading it just makes me think that you are a secret assassin.
Oh, and he was an assassin?
He was a conspiracy theory where everything...
No, I'll let you know.
Never mind.
I'll let you finish.
Okay, so is Catcher in the Rye your book?
No.
Oh.
Can you act out the entire movie?
I don't remember how it starts.
It's been a long time since I've seen it.
Thud.
Fade to black.
Fade through black onto it.
Fade in.
So Mel Gibson is in a cab.
I didn't order my books in any particular order, and I was planning on just reading the name of my titles out in order of which ones I believe are least likely to be on the rest of your list so that I can go to my backup options when you guys inevitably step on some of my list items.
But since you guys both put Christian books first, I feel like I have to jump straight to Mere Christianity.
So Mere Christianity, it's a book everyone should read in their lifetime, Christian, non-Christian.
And obviously, I mean, I think we've all read it, yes.
Yeah.
Have you read it, Trevor?
No, I have not.
You've not read Mir Christianity?
Okay.
I've read parts of it, and I just haven't read it.
Are you allowed?
So as a church of Christianity.
Yes, I'm allowed.
I'm allowed to read C.S. Lewis.
So the rest of the world.
As long as no music is playing.
Well, as long as you cross your fingers while you read it.
So, the rest of the podcast can just be Travis reading Mere Christianity and all of us sitting around.
What do you think of that one?
No, I mean, I've read Screwtape Letters.
I've read The Lion, the Witch, and The Wardrobe.
I think Screwtape's probably my favorite, Lewis.
I didn't put it on my list just because I talk about it all.
But I think even for non-Christians, I think it's useful to hear the arguments for Christianity and why we believe what we believe rather than the misrepresentation that's so often portrayed by media and the world around us.
Good one.
100% agree.
Good one.
Well, we're three for three so far.
Travis, what was your spiritual pick?
Did you pick the Bible?
No.
Oh, because we weren't supposed to.
I wanted to say that to look better.
What did you pick?
1984.
Oh, good.
For obvious reasons.
The Orwell one?
Yes, the George Orwell one.
Greatest book written by a socialist, yes.
Yeah.
But I mean, it's.
Do you think he would be considered a socialist by the time?
By today's standard, no.
No.
By today's standard.
Now he's just a normal bozo.
Yeah.
He's a fear monger.
That is that is quite good.
I read it for the first time a few years ago.
Yeah.
For the younger audiences, be aware there are some parts in it.
Yeah.
So my 15-year-old is not allowed to read it yet, but I think it's very important reading for people over 18.
Yeah.
I'll be honest, I don't remember those parts, but there's a lot of calculus.
Oh, darn.
If you don't have a background in math, don't read it.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's for the obvious government overstep ideas.
You know, all that stuff is.
I'm not saying we're living in 1984 because we're not.
It's 2024.
But, you know, it comes up all the time.
It's a good part of literary culture to immerse yourself in.
Yeah, and I feel it's a little cliche to reference.
Like, people are like, oh, it's just like, but it's so true.
Yeah, but it works.
Exactly.
It's also one of those things that I think the left sometimes misattributes the motivations of the characters and entities in the book.
And it becomes rather clear that they haven't read it or understand the meaning behind it when they reference it.
Yeah.
I love 1984.
I think we should remake it, but with an animal sidekick, and we can call it Winston Checks In.
Winston?
It referenced to a previous book.
What's the opening line?
It was a cold day in October.
And Denston checks in?
Yeah.
Is it when the clocks were striking and the clocks were striking 13?
The opening line was, there's a monkey in this elevator.
And the opening line was, well, I guess that's just 1984.
It truly was a Shawshank redemption.
That's funny.
They realized they were no longer little girls.
They were little women.
All right.
Still your.
Is it my turn?
Number four.
I thought it was yours.
You started it.
Okay.
I did.
I start.
Okay.
So you started it.
As long as we're getting into books that really were impactful, the whole point of this.
Do you like to read?
Well, I thought it was like books you like.
It is.
Some of mine are mad.
Some of mine are really dumb.
Yeah.
So, but the book that I really, one of the, there's, I'm going to just lump a couple into the same thing because it's biographies.
But Eric Metaxas has written a couple of amazing biographies.
I don't know if I can choose between the ones that I read, but Bonhoeffer was really profound.
And again, like we're talking about.
You have a signed copy.
It's signed a few times now.
We were sitting at a table with Eric Metaxas, and Jarrett was a huge fanboy.
And he was like, can you sign my copy of Bonhoeffer?
And he opened it up and it had already been signed.
Yeah.
And he was like, did you know this is already signed?
I was like, yes, I did.
Sign it again, please.
So he signed it again.
Anyway, but his book on Bonhoeffer is really good.
And if you look at the way Bonhoeffer dealt with the culture in the way that, you know, the theology of the church was being hijacked by academia and eventually by the Nazis because they'd been weakened by the theology of the church had been weakened because of academia.
And the Nazis were right.
It was ripe for the Nazi takeover so that that Nazi church was able to take over.
And that's where they went first.
They went after the churches first when they were taking over the country.
And so I think we can learn a lot from that now as church people to not allow these kind of stupid...
So his Bonhoeffer biography and his Oprah Winfrey?
The other one was, so Bonhoeffer is amazing.
The other one is obvious.
I think it's Amazing Grace was incredible.
And the Luther biography was amazing.
Jesus 3.
I was going to say, I'm sorry, it's one.
I think of them as one book.
I think of the entire author as one book.
Eric Metaxas is a love letter from God to us.
Man, I really love Eric Metaxas, but I think that his books...
I can't wait for his biography on Trump.
It's going to be amazing.
It's called The Chosen One.
Called Jesus 2.
We love you, Eric.
Electric Boogaloo.
Do love you.
My number four is another C.S. Lewis book, The Silver Chair.
Did I steal your?
No.
Nope.
I picked The Silver Chair because it's one of the ones that gets lost in the pile of countless Narnia books.
Countless.
So many.
Seven.
The countless books.
You can't count them.
In the box of Narnia.
It's kind of arranged towards the end, I think, whether you're chronological or published order, and people get it just gets lost in the shuffle a little bit.
It has, I like it because it expands the world of Narnia a little bit.
They go to the north and find the land of the giants.
And it's just kind of one of those books that reads like a fun kid's bedtime adventure story.
And yet, like when they, Puddle Glum is a great character.
And then when they go down in the depths and start to doubt whether Narnia ever really existed, and the witch is telling them that was just all fantasy and you made it up, and they have to choose to believe even though they can't remember.
Like there's just, there's just, I just read, I just spoiled the whole book.
No, no, you're kidding.
They didn't tell the end.
But Silver Chair is highly recommended.
And it's another one you can sit down and read in a couple of hours.
It's like when Jordan's recommending a movie, he then goes ahead and tells you the entire movie.
And he turned out to be gay.
And it's like, oh, I guess they don't need to.
You wouldn't believe what happened at the end.
The two cowboys on a camping trip together.
All right.
The next book on my list of 11 that I'm choosing at random is I'll choose Mistborn.
Mistborn by Brandon Sanderson.
I'm currently a fan of Brandon Sanderson because I was named after him.
But Mistborn, I think, is a good place to start in the series.
It sets up a good range of his storytelling ability, his ability to craft a magic system, and his ability to craft a world and characters.
Yeah, and I think that particular trilogy ended decently, if not a little bit more.
Mormie would be a reference to the Mormon nature of the book.
And I'm holding out to my fandom of Brandon Sanderson right now because I fully expect within my lifetime, I may not be a fan of his.
Yeah.
I felt at the end when Moroni showed up to save everybody, to tell him what the true gospel was.
I thought that was a little on the nose.
You don't understand that that's just setting up for when they hide the twinkling of an eye.
Yeah, but you know what?
Brandon Sanderson's not going to believe in any of that stuff in a few years anyway.
He's just going to be a little bit more.
You think that's the reason he's going to be a Frankfurt School Marxist.
That's the reason why I will not be a fan in the future.
Not because of the Morme-ness, but because of the socialists.
He's going to be a Jack Mormon real soon.
The socialism.
Yeah.
The socialistness, I said.
Would you rather the Mormons took over America or the socialists?
Mormons.
Yes.
Or Brandon Sanderson.
Just Brandon Sanderson.
Yeah.
All right.
So I'm enjoying his books while I can.
Yeah.
Well, do you think it will ruin your rereads?
No, I don't think so.
I think I can.
I enjoy Stephen King, even though he's I think I can separate the art from the artist to an extent.
Lewis always said that.
And to be fair, like enjoying Hitler's paintings.
Yeah.
And currently, Sanderson is very good at separating that in his books.
I remember there was a subplot in one of the books. that I was afraid was going a little socialist, and he effectively argued counterpoints that he steel manned, essentially.
So yeah, he does well at that.
Lewis says that you don't have to become a deist if you read books by Deus.
He's like, you can read anything and learn from there.
He's steel manned and steelhearted and steel-hearted.
Well done.
What do you got, Travis?
Number four.
Action Comics number one.
No, I'm kidding.
I mean, it might be worth reading, but I don't know.
Have you ever read Action Comics number one?
No, I have not.
The first super, oh, actually, technically, I have Superman picks up a car.
Oh.
And you know, he's like, ah, get out of this car.
No, there's people in the car just trying to.
There's someone in the car.
Otherwise, just throwing it.
No.
The original Superman is wild.
He's a wild ride.
He can go back in time.
He can punch dinosaurs.
He doesn't fly.
He just jumps really far.
I would leap tall buildings.
Is that what you're recommending?
No, I'm not.
I'm just, I got caught in a wormhole just now.
Sorry.
No.
Speaking of Stephen King, The Shining.
I wouldn't say it's his best work, but as a tale that's ultimately about alcoholism and isolation.
That was from the movie.
Mrs. Torrance.
Yes.
Red Rum.
You know, and the fact that he wrote it while like super drunk and then was later like, oh, this is about me.
There's just, it's kind of an amazing piece of work.
For one.
He didn't even realize.
He didn't even realize like the whiskey that he was drinking in the book was a metaphor for the whiskey he was drinking in real life.
I know.
Amazing, right?
All of us have whiskey in our lives.
And for some of us, it's actual.
And most of us, it's real whiskey.
I love the shining.
I would say the shining is my favorite C.S. Lewis.
We do have it as a book.
I realized I was mistaken saying the wrong author name and I just went with it.
So you guys have, we do have at least one shining reference as a hidden joke in one of our videos.
I don't know if anyone ever caught it.
I didn't see it in the YouTube comments.
Do I know?
Do I remember?
Viewers, can you discuss it?
Was it the part of that one video when you went, ah, The Shining?
It was.
That was it.
All the elevator doors.
Yeah, it makes Kyle very adulthood.
So what makes you like The Shining?
Well, what I just said.
Okay.
But also, his descriptions are, well, that's the old Stephen King books.
His descriptions are really good.
But also, because it only stars an isolated family, you don't get a bunch of weird children's stuff like you did in some of his other books.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
His books, he is not afraid to go there, right?
Yeah.
Well, there's something about him that as a novelist, I can see that he's always going to be a better writer than I am because he's just willing to lay it all out.
But I'm like, I'm not going there.
Yeah.
Why would I do that?
I want to censor.
You censor yourself.
Yeah, see, that's what I'm saying.
They do say that you're supposed to just write and not censor yourself.
Put your soul on the page.
But, you know, as a sinner, my soul is black.
I don't want to do that.
I also felt early on King was very sensitive to book length.
Like, Carrie's very short and shining's fairly short.
And then as he got full of himself, he just stopped listening to editors and was like, 12 boom.
Everybody's going to read this.
And they did read it.
And it wasn't as good for it.
Yes.
Like, it is not a good book because it's 1,200 pages and confusing.
I don't think that's the only problem with the children.
And that weird scene.
The turtle shows up and saves the day.
That's the whole problem.
The turtle will not help us.
I did say last year that after my 50th book, I was going to read, finally read Stephen King because I've actually never read a Stephen King book.
And I didn't.
Well, I recommend the show.
Or Carrie.
Carrie is 200.
I was just going to aim high, and I was going to start with The Stand.
Well, I think that's a good, I think that's a good place to start.
Cause if you ever read the gunslinger series, he goes into the stands universe a lot.
So I would say, but it's also a bad book, which is a negative.
Read The Stand and then read The Gunslinger and you'll maybe Tommy Knockers or something like that.
But those are very strange places to start.
I don't think so.
Stephen King.
Wait, do you think that's a good thing?
You think Tommy Knockers is a place to start, Steven King?
Well, he goes into that universe.
Well, I just think the Gunslinger series unites all the books together, all those universes.
And he references it.
But if you're primarily like, I just want to read a Stephen King book, you might not dive into the whole universe.
I would go with one of his short early ones.
And I wouldn't listen to this guy at all.
No, no, no, no.
Pet Cemetery.
He doesn't.
Pet Cemetery is a good one.
I recommend Pet Cemetery.
But also, yeah, Kyle's right.
Carrie's good.
Carrie is just, it's kind of iconic as like it's, it just feels like a classic ghost story, even though there's no ghosts in it, that kind of came about and was part of this town.
And he just makes it, it's good.
What about that one with the semis?
The semi-trucks?
Which one was that called?
Gosh.
You know what I'm talking about?
He wrote several about haunted semi-trucks.
Haunted cars and stuff.
Well, the normal haunted car was Christine.
It was Christine.
He wrote other ones that were like Roadkill or something.
Yeah, he said something like that.
Is it just because he wanted to do Transformers, but it existed already?
He wrote a whole book about robot trucks, and they were like, dude, that already exists.
And he's like, oh, no.
They call it something else.
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All right, what do you got for your number two?
All right, Joe, I actually was going to go into Stephen King too, but I'm going to say the books of Joe Abercrombie in particular, Till They Are Hanged.
Have you guys ever read these?
So I really like fantasy stories.
I've always liked fantasy.
I've read a lot of the fantasy books like the Robert Jordans and the Martins and Communist Manifesto.
Yeah, there's a lot of other fantasies.
I got into Terry Brooks for a long time.
But of all of those, Joe Abercrombie is the grittiest and most realistic universe that anybody's created in my experience.
I love reading them.
They're always really cold.
There's always a lot of revenge.
It's like revenge story after revenge story.
Very interesting.
The characters are really well developed.
There's one guy in particular, Logan Ninefingers, that kind of finds his way throughout the whole thing, a bunch of different ones.
And I just love it because it's almost set in sort of an old West world that becomes almost a Renaissance world.
That's what Viking-y, too, right?
Yeah, it's Viking-y.
It's Viking-y with a Renaissance complex.
A masculine I've read.
Oh, yeah.
There's Cowboys.
It's a weird universe.
Vikings?
Well, no, because it becomes Cowboys later.
I've only read The Blade itself.
So The Blade itself is like Vikings meets the Renaissance.
And then that becomes that universe grows into a revolutionary period.
Interesting.
Like the French Revolution.
So he actually basically mirrors the French Revolution, essentially.
It's fascinating stuff.
So if you get a chance, you know, sounds good.
Yeah, it's a fascinating expounding on like larger arcs.
Another reason that I like Mistborn, the Mistborn trilogy is you can read it as a standalone, just those three books, but then he expands it into other timeline, not timelines, but basically he takes this magic system, yeah, different eras.
And so the first one is like traditional fantasy setting with certain magic powers, and then he goes into a Western setting with those same magic powers.
And then the third era will be that he hasn't written yet, like a cyberpunk setting, and then like a space era.
Yeah, it's fascinating to kind of see that thing kind of storyline go through the same history and character.
And the weird part about, and this is true for Martin's books too, but there's no magic, essentially, until you meet this one guy.
And magic always has a massive consequence.
So anytime somebody uses it, there's always a huge blowback.
And so I love it.
I think it's a really good use of the mythology.
I'm planning on brutal.
I am planning on continuing the series, but I got distracted by other books.
Highly recommended.
Although, if you're sensitive to violence, I wouldn't read them.
I got distracted by not reading Stephen King.
All right.
Well, my number three is 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
I love the turn of the century adventure tales.
And like, they didn't know what was under the ocean, and we still don't kind of.
They didn't know what was in space.
They didn't know what was in the center of the earth, you know, but apparently, so they just got to use all these settings.
And now you can still write books like that, but people are kind of like, yeah, but that's not really up there.
And they get all uppity about it.
Like, oh, science.
You know, Neil deGrasse Tyson.
Science is a really ruined diamond thing.
Neil deGrasse Tyson said that this can't work.
And I just loved these ages when everything seemed possible for humanity at the time.
And then we killed each other in World Wars and that stopped.
But there was so many fun books, Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, just exploring what C.S. Lewis's space trilogy, Heinlein, of exploring the frontiers of what mankind could do.
And I like 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
It has these interesting anti-imperialist messages that probably weren't very popular at the time where this Nemo is going around and he's blowing up warships that he blames for the death of his family or whatever.
It's a very, very interesting book.
And he predicted a lot of the things that would go into the development of nuclear submarines.
So I love 20,000 Leagues.
I would recommend anything really by Verne.
So, yeah, that's cool.
I love Jules Verne.
Good.
I'm going to change my list because you mentioned 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea.
I didn't have that on my list, but I'm going to go to one of my backup items.
I'm going to go to 20,000 and Winter.
Which references, which references that book, and that is Sphere by Michael Crichton.
Ah, great one.
20,000 Leagues Under the Sphere.
Under the Sphere, yes.
I love Michael Crichton.
I like most of the books of his that I've read.
But Sphere is at the top for me.
It has.
I think Sphere is my favorite crap as well.
It has mystery.
It has science.
It has fiction.
But it just, he's a master at creating these tense situations and atmosphere and characters that respond in these extraordinary circumstances.
And I don't know what else to say because I don't like giving spoilers.
Yeah.
So Sphere.
Don't be spoiled on it for sure.
It's way better than the movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jurassic Park is another good one.
But Sphere, Sphere is my favorite of his.
And I think I would put Jurassic Park like maybe six.
Did you guys like Congo?
Yeah, I liked Congo.
I love Congo.
Congo was a good one.
This is basically the only one that I've read by him.
Yeah.
I would recommend most Crichton.
He had some really interesting, he had interesting themes of like the dangers of science, which, you know, is like politically incorrect nowadays.
But yeah, Sphere is a great one.
Very cool.
Travis?
Dune.
Ooh.
All right, Charit.
I just, if we're, if we're part one.
Oh, dang it.
If we're not allowed to use Lord of the Rings, I think Dune is probably, even though it's science fiction, it's probably my favorite fantasy style story because it is a fantasy in the stars.
It's good.
It's just good.
Dune's a little divisive, as the British say.
And, you know, some people find it hard to read.
I love Dune.
I think it's written really well.
I like the politics.
I think it does it all in a believable way for its world.
And I don't know.
I didn't find it very hard to read.
I think it's because it's I did find the first half of it very hard to read.
But I also thought it was really interesting because he employs third-person omniscient, which is a POV that people aren't used to reading in.
And I remember reading it and I was like, how is this like, how do they translate?
This is why it failed as a movie is because you can't translate third-person omniscient to the screen.
And they didn't.
They still haven't.
Yeah.
But Dune Part 1 did succeed.
It was good.
No, I agree with you.
I think that was a good one.
Since we're getting into classic sci-fi, I went through a period where I read just old sci-fi, like the 1950s pulp stuff that you could find at like an old bookstore.
I'd go through and try to find something that nobody, or what is it?
It's Wesney Zelny.
There's a bunch of people.
But anyway, my favorite one of those was an author.
He had three or four books, but his Alfred Bester was his name.
And he wrote one called The Star's My Destination, which is basically the Count of Monte Cristo in space and how society would change if people suddenly got the ability to teleport.
So that's how he kind of always, his stories were always like, how would society change if we had this advance in evolution or this advance in technology?
This is your number two pick?
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
What was it called?
The stars?
The star is my destination.
He wrote another one called the Something Man.
I think Minority Report was based on it.
It was like, it was called, you'll look him up and you'll be like.
The minority report was based on the minority report.
Right.
But minority report, the other thing was kind of based on this potentially because it was about if somebody had omniscience or not omniscience, but telepathy and there were levels of telepathics, then how would it change like police work and how would you stop people from killing people and stuff?
It's fascinating.
I love pulpy sci-fi, especially the covers.
They were cool.
Just want to hang those ones.
They were super cool.
Except the babes, like not the ones with the babes.
But also the cover art often had nothing to do with the book itself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like because they would exist just to sell the books.
And I know there's been a lot of issues with authors saying this doesn't represent anything that ever happened in the book.
And the publisher's like, yeah.
You want to sell books?
You want to sell books or do you not?
Sometimes we're going to have to go through the most insane book covers that because sometimes you look at it like there's old editions of Lord of the Rings that the guy had never read the book at the end of the day what it is.
It's like, what is this painting?
Because I know, like, what's it?
Yeah.
Ursula Le Guin, whatever the first book is, the wizard one.
Her wizard, what's it called?
The wizard, the wizard book.
The wizard one.
The wizard, her wizard is black, but he's displayed as white on all the covers.
Yes.
You want to sell books, kid?
That's fantastic.
That's so crazy.
All right, my number two pick is Band of Brothers by Stephen E. Ambrose.
Oh, that's a good one.
And I like a lot of Ambrose.
D-Day is another one that I read the junk out of when I was a kid, high school.
You know, that was like World War II was the setting that, you know, stoked the imagination.
Yeah.
But only in the imagination.
And Banner Brothers.
Band of Brothers was.
Band of Brothers is a classic.
Obviously, it's been adapted into the show and the Pacific and all that stuff.
But Band of Brothers was, it's arguably like the most readable and approachable of those kinds of books.
And it's just, it's one of those books that's so highly readable, and every page has, you know, 30 material facts on it about this person being there and this many rounds fired and this many casualties.
And here's the armament.
And you're reading it and you're like, this is so interesting.
Like, I would just read lists of inventory of different units in World War II and be excited by it, you know.
But only in the imagination.
I think those were great.
Just as a side, there was, I love Stephen Ambrose.
I also, there's a book written by Dick Winters, the guy that was.
Oh, yeah, what's that called?
It's called, it's a leadership book.
It's like My Name is Dick Winters.
No, it was like, it was like right.
I can't remember the name of it, but he wrote his team here.
I haven't read it.
It was a really good autobiography and it followed the same story.
And so you kind of get a different picture.
And he starts out with Stephen E. Ambrose.
That punk got everything wrong.
Yeah, Damian Lewis really portrayed me poorly.
What do you got for number two, Miranda?
Well, my list of no specific order.
And your number two is?
I'm going to say Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell.
There you go.
I have to have a Sowell on the list, of course.
In this book, he it so Thomas Sowell speaks on economic factors and also socioeconomic factors and also migration patterns and also just racial, some racial topics as well.
And this touches a little bit on all of those things.
I particularly like it because I think in America we have lost the viewpoint of what racism is.
When racism is thrown about as a blanket term for so many things, oftentimes what we're actually criticizing when people say that we're criticizing someone's race is criticizing someone's culture.
And not all culture is created equal.
Some culture is bad.
Some culture is good.
And to be able to separate those two and make the distinction, I think is extremely important for us to realize, is extremely important for us to understand in order to heal as a country.
I think so many times when we say rap culture is deleterious to humanity, people think that we're criticizing black people when in reality, we're criticizing promiscuity and violence and elevating those things.
So in Black Rednecks and White Liberals, he traces some of the cultural heritage of certain aspects of American black culture to southern redneck culture and even further back to Highland Scott culture and says, it's not a race thing, guys.
It's a culture thing.
And he talks about cheese in the book, which is funny.
Now I'm so hot.
I have cheese.
What kind of cheese?
You got to read it to find out.
Did you guys see that cheese commercial in the Super Bowl?
I didn't watch the Super Bowl.
The one where the lady goes in, there's these two robbers that go into this lady's house and they steal the cheese.
And then the guy they're driving away and then it cuts and she's like, not my cheese, not my cheese.
And then it cuts and it's this cow chasing a car that has cheese in it.
That sounds humorous.
No, it was all about like how we're stealing cow's cheese.
Oh, how evil it is.
Oh, it's a pita.
It was amazing.
That's like the plot for that B movie.
Huh?
It's like the plot for B movie where we're stealing the bee's honey.
Yeah, and it's like, not my honey.
Yeah.
Travis, what's your number two Super Bowl commercial?
Oh, Super Bowl commercial.
Well, can I just say a book instead?
Sure.
Okay.
So my number two book is The Realm of Two Regards by Jason River.
It's a science fiction book about a man who lives in two dimensions simultaneously.
And so no matter what he does, he will destroy one dimension or he will live his best life in the other.
And if he tries to help the other one, it's dampening the effects of the other one.
So he has to live on the fence in a neutral way his entire life.
It's kind of an exploration, though.
Is it like his left half is in this one at all times and his right half is in this one?
Or is it like he's like warping back and forth?
No, it's like his whole body at the same time.
So if he's going to reach for a cup somewhere, then he's still making that same action, but he might be in a different circumstance.
And so his...
He could be eating a hot dog.
He could be eating a hot dog.
When was that written?
It was from the 70s, I think.
So he didn't steal my idea from my screenwriting class that I wrote in college.
He's watching this podcast sweating right now.
Solution is stealing.
Stealing ideas.
We've all had that happen.
What is your number one?
Okay.
So, I mean, if we're going to actually number these.
Number one.
That's what, you know.
I said this is the top five.
I do.
I do think that I've mentioned this before, but not for a while.
And it's the space trilogy, which I think of as one.
Dude, you've picked like 20 books.
It's because they all are related.
They're all related.
And in particular, Paralandra is my favorite.
The entire books of C.S. Lewis.
It's my number one.
My one book.
My entire 2023 reading list.
Number one.
That's right.
Well, I do think the space trilogy is theologically very interesting.
I think it's got a great story.
I think Ransom is a fascinating character.
Yeah, I've always kind of wanted to make that into a movie.
I feel like it's like the technology's caught up with us.
I think we could potentially make it into a movie now, where before it would have been really difficult to do unless we used puppets or something like that.
I would have watched that.
Yeah.
But yeah, no, I think I'd like to.
Call up Jim Henson.
Even with Carl Weathers now.
Oh, yeah.
the Thunderbirds the one that the Dark Crystal No, the one that George Lucas based his starfighting on was like the puppets that were flying the airplanes.
Oh, I mean, Thunderbirds, they were puppets.
That might be what I'm thinking of.
I don't remember George Lucas doing anything.
I think George Lucas said that it inspired him as a kid.
He wanted to make the X-Wing battles are all like, you know, it has the cockpit shot and they're like, that was all.
We could even do that hideous strength as a movie as much as you hate it.
I think it would be really a good way for us to kind of move that story along at the beginning of the story where they're just in the university setting.
Or, you know how the Clone Wars kind of look like puppets?
Like they kind of had that.
Sure.
That was all based on Thunderbirds.
Weird.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
I can see it now.
Now that you're saying it, I can see it.
I think if this list is kind of leaning towards like stuff you may not have thought to read, the space trilogy is a good pick.
Because if you read Lewis, you may not ever encounter the space trilogy.
You know, you're just like reading his boring theology books and Narnia, and you may.
There's thousands of those.
And there's thousands of boring.
Thousands of Narnia.
Thousands of Narnia.
There's not thousands.
There are countless Narnia books.
And especially the first two.
The third one is very difficult to get through, but the first two.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What's your number one, Kyle?
So I broke the rules a little bit.
What good are rules?
And I can make a different pick if you guys demand it.
But for my number one, I put The Hobbit.
And my defense of it is it is a little bit overlooked in terms of everybody saying Lord of the Rings, Lord of the Rings.
And Hobbit is kind of seen as the little brother or the, you know, not as developed or like the kids book.
And some of that is true.
But Hobbit to me is one of those that gets overlooked and you read it and it's so rich.
There's so many great characters, even ones that just appear for a page or two.
And it's just the, I lean toward, and you can kind of tell from my list, but I lean towards these books that are just almost like a D ⁇ D campaign, just a classic adventure.
We're going to go here and fight some giants.
We see trolls.
And, you know, there was a crazy spider thing.
And I really love that kind of story.
And I think this one does it in such a great, great small package that you can just read really quick and read it with your kids.
And it has all the goodness and you catastrophe that you can read it in one sitting, too.
You could just sit down and a little longer than some of the other ones I talked about, but yes, you could sit down and read it in one sitting if you're branded.
It's really great for your kids.
And you'll cry multiple times.
I find that when I read Lewis to my kids, I'm always like, I can't finish the chapters.
What do you say?
So comes snow after fire, and even dragons have their ending.
Yes, no.
It's beautiful.
It's a direct quote from the book.
Good job.
Is this acceptable?
It is acceptable to fine.
All right.
So.
My number one book that I didn't order is Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.
One of the greatest books ever written by the greatest character author of all time who understood the psychological motivations of people and wrote and even women.
Is this the one with Kieran Knightley?
This is the one starring Kieran Knightley in the book.
Yes.
Colin Francis and Kieran.
The dialogue is among the wittiest dialogue of any book I've ever read.
Yeah, just the character motivations and yeah, no bad things to say about it.
This is not a book you can read in one sitting.
My wife loves these.
My wife loves Jane Austen and I've never been able to get through Pride and Prejudice.
I really should buckle down.
And as the Babylon Bee, if you are a fan of the Babylon Bee, which I assume you are, Jane Austen was a master of satire.
A lot of like Pride and Prejudice is extremely satirical.
It criticizes the relationships and practices of the people of the day.
And yeah.
Collins and the aristocracy.
Mr. Bennett.
Yeah.
Great characters.
The more is.
Great characters, great dialogue.
She was the South Park of her day.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Elizabeth Bennett was the Kenny of her day.
We should have her come in for an interview.
You.
That's a good idea.
She's with Carl Weathers now.
Who's going to tell him?
Nobody.
Don't tell Travis.
All right, Travis, what is your number one?
What is the best book of all time?
Oh, of all time?
Sweat.
Well, I was going to say The Hobbit, but another pick is Brave New World.
I think it's an influential book.
I think it's very potent for today's modern society.
with the idea of the man coming from a more classic world and being immersed as a visitor, essentially, to a world full of technology and a lack of emotions where feelings are suppressed and where everyone's trying to be beautiful all the time and things like that.
But it's another book where it's like, maybe if you're not 18, don't read this book.
That said, I read it in high school for class because they made me.
Perverts.
Read the words.
Read the read it out loud.
Yeah.
But I think it's a very good book, even though Aldous Huxley is a wacko.
A wacko.
Yeah, he was crazy.
Yeah, I find the debate interesting between 1984 and Brave New World of like, do they roll through pain and totalitarianism or do they roll through pleasure?
And it's a little bit of both, I think.
Yeah.
Which one got away?
A clockwork orange in there and you've got a third option.
Yeah, I haven't read 451.
They also reign with fire.
Oh.
Reign of Fire.
Have you ever read Under Fire?
Which is my number one pick.
A Clockwork Orange.
Matthew McConaughey.
Rain of Fire.
Christian Bale.
By the way.
Good movie.
That's a great movie.
I went and saw it in the theaters and thought it was really dumb.
Me too.
I've never seen it.
Really?
Yeah.
There's a whole evolution.
I've never seen it because I saw it and I went, that looks dumb.
And then I didn't see it.
I was a creationist at the time.
I mean, I still am.
But I was like, you know, I was very financially like any show that mentioned evolution, I was like, ah, this is just so dumb.
And I still correct.
And I still feel like that.
But I think that show had some line about evolution and I was like, that's really dumb.
100%.
I look at Reign of Fire.
One of my friends got a song put in Reign of Fire.
was the first time one of my friends Johnny Cash got successful no it was the it was Bob no No.
It was the credits song.
It was called Burn.
And it was in 7-8, 7-8 time.
And it was a rock song.
And it was an actual worship song.
So if you listen to the lyrics, it's all about God.
It's a gun that makes my heart burn.
Rain of holy fire.
Yeah.
Anyway.
So if you go check it out, check out that song called Burn by Mad at Gravity, which was the band's name.
And these have been our top five songs on the end of movies.
That's another list.
Motherland by Crystal K at the end of FMA.
Let us know if you pick up any of these books and what you think of it.
You can email us at podcast at babylonby.com.
Tell us what you're reading too.
And maybe we'll read it out on a future podcast.
Kyle, may I suggest very briefly we pick one book each record?
Oh, to say not to read.
You have honorable mentions?
I like that.
I do.
I'm just trying to be sensitive to timing concerns.
But I said my honorable mentions were the Conan the Barbarian short stories.
Those are good.
Lovecraft short stories, Solomon Kane short stories.
I had one other on here somewhere.
Don't read Bolo exclamation.
Wait, are we doing honorable mention or not honorable?
I'll just go through mine quick.
Frankenstein was another one.
I had the Bible.
That has to take second place to honorable mention.
I didn't know if we were going to do the Bible.
Didn't quite make the list.
Crime and Punishment.
Name of the Wind.
Amazing, amazing book, but I can't recommend continuing the series.
The Magician's Nephew.
Neither can the author.
Excellent.
Magician's Nephew.
You got really close.
Huckleberry Finn and Lies of Locke Lamora, but it auto-corrected to Lies of Locke Lakota.
So I guess.
Oh, try that one.
Is that good?
Is that good?
Try Lies of Locke Lakota.
Oh, I did have a dishonorable mention.
I had R.C. Sproll's expositional commentaries, all of them.
One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisevich.
The three-body problem I'm actually liking a ton.
Red Rising, that series was excellent.
So if you ever get a chance to read that, it was awesome.
Red Rising series came out a couple of years ago.
Very good.
Gunslinger.
The Gunslinger series was really fun.
Gunslinger is really good.
Yeah.
So those are the ones I read.
I did have a dishonorable mention in The Sun Also Rises.
I don't know if you guys were ever made to read that in Haskell or anything.
I tried to pick it up recently and just like, oh, it's a classic.
I'll give it a try.
And it's just people drinking and doing other things.
That's how classics are sometimes.
And they're like, oh, let's go to France.
Or maybe they're in France and they're going to go somewhere else in France.
I don't know.
I was scrolling through my Goodreads to try to see my five stars and I saw a one star and it was Twilight.
Yeah.
Hey, not bad.
Don't read Twilight.
But it was bad.
It was bad.
But you wanted to keep seeing what happened, you know.
And a two-star, which I threw across the room in my mind because it was an e-reader and I didn't want to actually throw my e-reader across the room was A God Emperor of Doom.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I never read Past the First.
I know that there's mixed opinions on the rest of the Dune series, but I felt like the first Dune was so self-containedly good.
It doesn't immediately lead into another story.
Yeah.
I'm just like, that was great.
I loved it.
I don't need to know what happens next.
It's so funny you guys read books, books about video games.
I think that's such a weird like, well, Doom, right?
No, Doom.
It's not about a video game.
I just said Doom.
Oh, there is Edith of Doom.
I did not read and was not on my Goodreads the novellas for Infinity Blade.
I didn't read those.
What about the novels that were attached to Halo?
One of my friends read all those.
I read two last year.
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
People are reading these videos.
And they're probably good.
Who knows?
I mean, I don't know.
I haven't read them.
They're just based on video games.
What was that Doom?
What was the Doom quote that you had?
Rip and Tear?
Wasn't that one?
No, wasn't there quotes in the book that were just like ridiculous?
Oh, I don't remember them off the top of my head.
I can't remember why I would have looked those up.
I'm going to have to find it.
Was it for a podcast or something?
You told me that the Doom novelizations had the most insane quotes.
They do.
I just don't remember.
I looked up the quotes and you and I were laughing over them.
We shared a great moment, and I'm glad that you remember it.
All right, everybody.
Well, thanks for hanging out with us and let us know what you're reading.