Fitness Is Alt-Right And A Movie For Dads With Brainworms
Kyle, Adam, and Travis are back in the saddle to talk about fitness being a sign of right-wing fascism. Put down that kettlebell, Kyle! Sound of Freedom also came out and the media freaked out about it. Justin Brierley also talks to The Babylon Bee about how New Atheism backfired and seems to be turning people toward Christianity again. You can pre-order Justin Brierley's book: https://justinbrierley.com/the-surprising-rebirth-of-belief-in-god/ This episode is brought to you by our wonderful sponsors who you should absolutely check out: Allegiance Gold: http://protectwithbee.com MyPillow: http://mypillow.com/bee (Use promocode: 'BEE') Samaritan Ministries: http://samaritanministries.org/thebabylonbee
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Hey everyone, welcome to the Babylon Bee Podcast, hanging out with Adam Yenser and Travis today.
How you guys doing?
Good.
I like Travis's Tupac shirt today.
I don't know what you're talking about.
It's awesome.
This is a Denzel Washington shirt.
Oh.
It's not, and that sounds racist.
I know you think they all look the same.
But it says it.
It says Denzel.
It's not that he thinks it looks the same.
He can't read it.
He's illiterate.
He's not racist.
He's just illiterate.
It's different.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
We're just hanging out today, but that's very cool, Travis.
I appreciate that t-shirt.
Yeah.
I'm trying to represent our forgotten communities.
Okay.
Do you like Tupac?
Are you famous with Tupac?
I don't know a single song he does.
Oh, okay.
I don't listen to Tupac much, but I like it when I hear it.
Every time I drive by Las Vegas, I go, hey, Tupac was murdered here.
That's my entire knowledge.
That's what you know about Vegas.
That's the main thing.
He was murdered there.
Yes.
That's the main thing.
That is what most people know Vegas for.
Yeah.
Is it?
Yeah.
Just that he was murdered there.
A lot of people, they'll get their friends together and go, hey, you guys free this weekend?
Want to go to where Tupac was murdered?
It'll be great.
And then we'll catch a show.
Cirque du Salai's Tupac.
Yeah.
Well, anyway, this is going to be a fun episode.
We've got Love Mail, we've got Hate Mail, we've got a Bible Verse of the Week, News of the Week, and we have a special interview with Justin Broly.
He talks like this.
Yeah, he is English.
And you might know him from the Unbelievable podcast.
This is a question mark.
Are you asking or telling?
No, that's the name of the podcast.
Oh, that's right.
Unbelievable?
But we've interviewed him before, and he's an interesting guy.
Did you interview him?
I did.
Okay.
Yeah.
I did.
How was it?
It was fantastic.
He's not good.
I wouldn't have him back.
It's embarrassing.
We should not book him.
Aside from the fact that he's loyal to the king.
He was a stand-up gentleman.
Nice.
Okay.
Very cool.
By loyal to the king, you mean Christ the king?
Yes.
Good.
Well, no, that part's good.
Yeah, that's good that he's loyal to Christ.
Aside from that.
Aside from the fact that he's a Christian.
That's always a down.
well now it's time for love mail So we have Love Mail here.
This is an email we got.
BB, you guys are the best.
Your podcast.
Oh, this is actually numbered.
Number one, you guys are the best.
Your podcast is one of my favorite parts of the week.
Number two, boo.
I miss your interview show.
I'm sad that you took that away, but I'll still listen to you, I guess.
Number three, we didn't stop the interviews.
They're just not as frequent.
Number three, Adam.
I listen every week with bated breath, still waiting for my shout-out.
I'm the PSU alum who saw you in Youngstown on April.
At the funny farm.
Even though you're ignoring me, you're still one of my favorites.
My husband Phil and I chatted with him after the show.
Is this a man or this is a woman?
This is the woman, and it was a couple.
And this always happens to me when I go out.
I've remembered once or twice to give shout-outs to people that I meet at shows.
And I always say I'm going to give them a shout-out on the podcast.
And then I write their names down my phone, and then I forget.
Because I'm just slip somewhere.
I think I might.
Let me see.
Okay.
My husband, Phil, and I chatted with him after the show.
We connected over being Penn State grads.
And then I informed him that the forum was making fun of him that week for not remembering how to log into the forum.
Oh, okay.
Smiley face.
His comedy show is great.
I can't wait to see him again next time he's in the OPA area.
Keep up the good work.
XOXO, December Planet.
That's her name.
It's December Planet and her husband, Phil.
Okay.
Nailed it.
Well, that's nice.
Wonderful.
Yes.
And thank you guys so much for coming out to the show.
I'm glad you enjoyed it.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Thanks for numbering your paragraphs.
Oh, it's a great organized.
Yeah.
So we got more love mail here.
Can I read this one?
Yeah.
Hey, guys.
First, I'd like to say how much I appreciate the podcast and all the content the BB produces.
My work can be pretty stressful at times, so taking a minute to open the app can help move the day along.
I was also really amused by the love language banter this last episode.
My company recently had us complete a workspace love language quiz.
My team and I, child therapists, those are parentheses.
That was not a woman's body.
Spent a few serious moments discussing the difference between personal love languages and the workplace variety, and then enjoyed making fun of it for the next week or so.
Especially touch points.
We agreed our team love language is raises slash bonuses and tacos.
But sadly, the quiz doesn't offer this as a choice.
Hope you enjoy it too.
Dan printed out the quiz.
Thanks for sharing your creative gifts with the rest of us.
Colon parentheses.
Erica.
Love language at work just sounds like a recipe for disaster.
It does.
I think you're not.
Aren't you trained not to?
Yeah, just keep that stuff out.
Oh, is this the actual quiz?
Especially if you're a child therapist.
What fills up your love tank at work?
Are you giving the quiz up to fills up your love tank at work?
These Blackberry Waterloo sparkling waters.
And it says, we're just kidding, sort of.
Wink.
Imagine how well we could work together if we spoke each other's love language fluently.
Imagine if your boss knew how much of an impact a small, well done, would make on your motivation at work.
Take this quiz to determine your language of love in the workplace.
Number one, it's your first week of work in a new job.
What gesture would mean the most to you?
Your coworker who was promoted from your position shares some tips and advice for getting started.
Your boss arranges lunch for you and your team so everyone can get to know each other.
You're immediately granted access to some of the most exciting projects the senior team members are working on.
A coworker volunteers to walk you through some of the processes that can seem unfamiliar or confusing.
Or your boss schedules a series of meetings over the next three months to check in on your progress and to clear up any confusing aspects of your new job.
I think the first one for me, having the person that you basically took their position, they got you're like the spunky new kid.
Yeah, there's a little grizzled old guy.
They take you under your wing.
All right, listen up, kid.
Yeah.
This is my last mission.
Right.
And we're just two weeks to retire.
Here's what we're going to see.
I think the coworker taking you through some of the processes that might be unfamiliar.
I like the lunch.
So we each have a different work love language that fills up our love tank at work.
All right, we'll do a couple more here.
I do like the idea that this person, Erica, says that raises is not one of the love languages.
Raises boxes and talks.
I just wanted to make more money.
That's how I feel.
That is how a lot of people feel the most rewarded at work.
Maybe with a raise.
Yes.
You've outperformed your goals this year and you're looking forward to recognition.
What type of recognition would mean the most from your boss?
A congratulatory email or a shout-out at the next all-team meeting?
A team outing to celebrate everyone's varied accomplishments.
A meeting where your boss presents new opportunities that will strengthen your skills and broaden your experience.
Is one of the answers for all of these going to be a meeting?
One love language is meetings, apparently.
A hearty congratulatory email that also details your potential path upward at the organization.
Or a high five and a big smile.
I kind of don't like any of those.
I like the congratulations email, especially if it's like here's a path to yeah, because one of them was like a congratulations email and then one of them was that plus.
Hey, here's how you can.
Yeah, this was a simple email.
This was a hearty email.
Oh, I think that's a good idea.
I thought hearty was the opposite of simple.
Simple or hearty?
A simple but hearty email.
I'll take the high five.
Yeah, that's kind of where I was going.
I travel.
I prefer an in-person.
You did a great job.
Oh, thanks.
All right, let's do one more.
This has like 20 questions.
So your favorite coworker is having a particularly tough week, and they seem like they can't just catch a break.
They just can't catch a break.
What do you do?
Send an email.
Have a meeting.
Send an email with advice on how you handled a similar problem in the past.
Invite your coworker on a lunch walk to vent and take a break.
Offer an encouraging pat on the back with consent.
With consent.
That doesn't say that.
Offer an encouraging pat on the back from your experience.
This too shall pass.
Offer to take a specific piece of work off their plate this week.
Bring your coworker an afternoon coffee to help them get through the rest of the day.
What do you think you would do?
Tough week.
I like either the lunch or the coffee.
Lunch or coffee.
It's like, yeah, go out.
Let's grab it.
Let's go grab lunch and talk.
I agree.
I have the lunch or coffee.
I think that's kind of a tough one because it's going to be variable depending on who the coworker is and your relationship with them.
Like you can't just take something off their plate if they work.
Your favorite coworker, though, right?
It says your favorite one.
Your favorite one.
Oh.
So who is that for you, Travis?
So I would probably do the vent walk thing.
Vent walk.
You want to take a vent walk?
Also, I should note that pat on the back is in quotes.
It says offer an encouraging pat on the back.
That makes it sound more suspicious.
What were you guys doing in there?
How is this giving them pat on the back?
You know, I don't know.
So the different love languages that they say are words of affirmation, quality time, gifts, service, and physical touch.
Physical touch, that's a weird one at work.
But it says that for workplace, we replace physical touch with encouragement.
We call it encouraging touch points.
Oh, I wish they would replace it with pat on the back in quotes.
Well, that's a touch point for some people.
So you're supposed to offer metaphorical metaphorical touching.
Yes.
Okay.
Metamaterial touches.
Because you can't do real touches.
That just sounds like phone sex.
It's like, I'm touching your back right now.
You're just describing the touch today.
Hey, I'm giving you a hearty handshake for a job well done.
All right, we have a subscriber dare now from JD.
And he says.
I'm writing for two reasons.
First, and I mean 0.9 offense to your current reservist on staff.
What is 0.9 offense?
Like, it means mostly offense.
I don't know what that means.
But y'all need a military advisor on retainer because when you talk about tanks, bombs, and national strategic strategy, it hurts me on the inside.
Ouch.
I guess we don't talk about tanks correctly.
Second, I have a subscriber.
The nuclear bomb is like the black bowling ball with this.
It's coming out in a few.
Yeah.
Sort of nuclear bomb.
And the only way to diffuse it is to cut off the little fuse.
Or you can go as it goes down.
And you have time to run around with it on your head.
Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb.
Some days you just can't.
Second, I have a subscriber dare.
As a freethinking American citizen, I cannot knowingly give my money to someone who'll use then part of it to pay taxes to California.
So leave California.
Go to Texas, Montana, Vermont, or Florida, and then I will subscribe.
Wow.
That's quite the dare.
Also, I'm mad at Adam.
Adam.
The one time I ever see he is on the East Coast, I already have plans in that city.
Well, that's not Adam.
I wonder which city.
If that was Savannah, Georgia, I did stand-up in Savannah, Georgia this weekend.
It turned out it was in a gay bar before a drag show.
Do you have a picture of him?
I advertised it just as a comedy club.
And the audience was great.
It was fun.
There were some Babylon Bee people that came out, but when I showed up, it was right before a drag show.
I was like, oh, they have not seen our articles.
You know, that'd be weird, too, because you didn't know it was a gay bar at first.
No, uh-uh.
So it's like you invite everyone at the end of your weekly news.
Hey, everybody, I'm in Savannah.
Come on down.
That's a gay bar.
What's he trying to pull?
Yeah, what's Adam trying to tell me?
That's why he's so upset.
The audience is, they were good, yeah.
And this is from Brother in Christ JD.
Well, hold on, Kyle.
Let's not be too hasty.
Will you accept his dare?
No.
Oh, wow.
I guess we just lost a subscriber.
Yeah, no.
If it helps, you know, the corporate offices are in Florida.
Yeah, you can subscribe there.
Seth makes most of the money from this thing.
So most of it's going to Florida.
That's a good point.
And now it's time for the Babylon Bee's Bible verse of the week.
Amen.
So this is from the book of Judges.
And Abimelech says, Abimelech came as far as the tower and fought against it.
And he drew near the door of the tower to burn it with fire.
But a certain woman dropped an upper millstone on Abimelech's head and crushed his skull.
Then he called quickly to the young man, his armor bearer, and said to him, draw your sword and kill me, lest men say of me, a woman killed him.
So this young man thrust him through and he died.
And then the Holy Spirit recorded it so that we will all know.
And now for the rest of time, people know that a woman killed him and his plan did not work.
Oh, man.
I like that that's his main concern after his head gets crushed.
Oh, no, I don't want to die hurt by a woman.
I died from a woman.
Well, you know, it probably messed up his brain chemistry so that that's all he was worried about.
It's like getting hit by a bus.
I wouldn't know that.
I don't know.
What do you mean?
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What's in the news this week?
Oh, this isn't a real headline.
This is a Babylon B headline.
Well, it's kind of a real headline.
Hollywood confused by a new movie that depicts child sex trafficking as bad.
That's one of those, that's definitely one of those ones where you use the gif.
I thought this was supposed to be satire because it's not, it's kind of the exact movie.
They are upset by this.
Yeah, this is.
I like the idea that they got all excited, like, oh, a movie about child sex trafficking.
And then they were like, oh, oh, it's anti.
Oh, it's anti.
Not good.
Yeah, so it's the new film Sound of Freedom, and a lot of the media is calling it paranoid and QAnon adjacent.
They're trying to link this movie to QAnon, even though it has nothing to do with QAnon.
And this, where was the headline about the war?
I think this is Rolling Stone.
Their headline said, Sound of Freedom is a superhero movie for dads with brainworms.
The QAnon-tinged thriller about child trafficking is designed to appeal to the conscience of a conspiracy adult boomer.
See, just that headline makes it sound like child trafficking doesn't exist.
Right.
But we know it does.
That's a real thing.
I don't understand.
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I'm sort of withholding judgment on whether it's good or not or what the message is until I've seen it.
But I've heard mostly good things about it.
And I listened to Jim Coviesel and what's the guy that, Tim, is he?
Tim Bellard.
Yeah, it's Tim Allard.
They were on Jordan Peterson's podcast, and I listened to them.
They're great.
And they mentioned, you know, about how some of these past criticisms and media sites have tried to link it to QAnon.
And I went on the Wikipedia article about him and looked it up.
They don't even have solid, there's no solid evidence that links him to QAnon.
They just associate it with that.
Yeah, they said that there was some interview where he said if he would denounce QAnon, and he said, I know there's people in QAnon that are concerned about child trafficking.
And he said, if that's what they believe, we'd love to talk to them and tell them the truth and the facts about it.
And so they took that as he endorses QAnon.
Right.
Yeah, this is the thing where it's like, you have to go on the record and say, I support the war on terror.
Yeah.
Right now.
I'm like, well, there's different factors and I want to talk about certain things.
Oh, you're a terrorist.
Do you support the war on terror?
So this is a strange thing where journalists are very much, well, like you said, they're just linking things for the sake of linking it.
And it's like, well, why are they going out of their way to do this without evidence?
That's not a journalistic standard that I'm aware of.
I guess it also beat Indiana Jones for the 4th of July.
On 4th of July.
It was just on 4th of July.
Well, that's pretty cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, because it has the word freedom in it.
I mean, who's going to, do you want to see Indiana Jones or America?
Yeah.
And I'd rather see America.
It's true.
The people, the same people that attacked Sound of Freedom had nothing but praise for the classic movie, Cuties.
So here's a tweet from Rolling Stone back when QDs was in the news.
Thanks to a major marketing mistake, the award-winning French movie Cuties was accused of sexualizing young girls.
It's actually a sensitive portrait of growing pains that deserves to be seen.
You know, cuties is one of those things where I have to just take them at their word that it's supposed to be depicting something and you're not supposed to like it.
But I don't know if that's a marketing mistake when they're putting like, here's the poster and all these sexualized children.
I don't want to look at that.
It's gross.
I think it's pop.
I never saw a cuties.
So I don't know what it's actually about.
That could be true that it's just more about the girl's story.
But the way it was marketed seemed kind of pervy and weird.
Yeah, it was very weird.
And I mean, cuties 3D is okay, but definitely don't go for the original.
The Washington Post had tweeted back in 2020 in perspective, cuties is an unflinching look at what it means to be a preteen girl.
No wonder people can't handle it.
Yeah, that's the problem with it.
So, yeah.
And it might have helped if they didn't call it cuties.
I know.
Well, let's call it something different in French, right?
Or like the word.
The word in French might have different.
Yeah, it wasn't called to say vague in French.
And it's one of those things where if you like, you're trying to talk against the sexualization of young girls, you shouldn't put them in those compromising, like the actual actors are young girls in this movie.
So the French film was called Don't Sexualize Young Girls.
And then the American version is like cuties.
It's a translation error.
It's a translation problem.
Well, speaking of far-right things, the new far-right obsession is fitness.
According to MSNBC, they had an article, The Far-Right's Obsession with Fitness is going digital.
Why the far-right is really into home fitness.
That's how I learned that I was a liberal.
Yeah, I don't have the great physique.
I'll get there if I really want to be conservative.
They're trying to associate fitness with far-right ideology now.
That's fun.
So is this just like they're kind of pushing back so far against the so-called fat shaming?
And now they're like, oh, it's because you just guys are.
I don't think this was about fat shaming.
I did read the article.
It's a very convoluted, weird point she's trying to make.
But she cites a few examples of far-right people starting these like fitness groups or being attracted to fitness influencers and home health and stuff online.
And then she says that it's associated with things like patriarchy and toxic masculinity and virile men.
And that's all akin to white nationalism and white supremacy.
That they use it.
They use it both to recruit men in those circles and that it plays into the far-right ideology.
Well, it's funny because to an extent she's correct that it's associated with that because she shows associations with that.
So it's just not the kind of association we're really talking about.
Like Arnold Schwarzenegger doing his like fitness challenges around the country back like during Bush's presidency and Clinton's presidency.
Arnold is not a far-right person.
He's very moderate.
Oh.
So I just don't really.
He's one generation removed from Nazis.
Oh, you're right.
Well, I know this is funny, but so is she saying that there is this fringe group that is into fitness and is also into far-right stuff.
But she's not necessarily saying if you're into fitness, you're a Nazi.
That's not the claim that she's...
She's not saying that if you're into fitness, you're into Nazis directly.
But I think what's weird about it is it has that sort of tone to it.
It's like, beware of this fitness.
So it's kind of a waste of time article saying it is.
It's a very pointless kind of article.
Yeah.
They're not necessarily associated, but they're associated.
Wink.
Yeah, wink.
Thank you.
They have to type wink because it's an article.
The Department of Justice has indicted a missing Biden whistleblower just days after he went public with bombshell bribery revelations.
I thought it was safe to be a whistleblower.
That's what they always tell against Snowden.
They said, Snowden, why didn't you just go through their proper channels?
Israeli Professor Dr. Gal Luft, a key Biden whistleblower who was missing for several weeks, has missing his own quotation marks.
What's the symbol for that?
Is it this?
Yes.
Okay.
You had a nice parentheses one, so I didn't know if you had a different quote one.
No, no, they're the same.
The standard.
Okay, this is the standard.
Has been indicted by the Department of Justice just days after releasing a bombshell video in which he accused the Biden family of accepting bribes and assisting the Chinese government.
He was apprehended in Cyprus to prevent him from providing damning testimony to the House Oversight Committee.
That's what he claimed.
The professor asserts that the Biden family received payments from individuals with allegedized Chinese military intelligence, further alleging the existence of an FBI mole who leaked classified information to China-controlled energy company CEFC.
Yeah, that's interesting.
You know, that's a funny thing, too, because, yeah, technically, anytime you make America look bad, it aids China, technically.
But that doesn't mean he was aiding China.
I wonder if they have some evidence that we're not aware of.
Oh, okay.
Well.
But, I mean, it was still worth exposing, so I don't.
Speaking of exposing, Jack White has lashed out against celebrities.
Gross.
Including Guy Fury, Mark Wahlberg, Joe Rogan, and Mel Gibson for normalizing former President Donald Trump.
That's good.
Cool.
Well, his pleasure.
That made me sad because I like Jack White.
Yeah, but that is sad.
He wrote a James Bond song.
Yeah, that's right.
And it was okay.
Are the James Bond songs generally seen as having some kind of art value?
Yes.
Because I've heard them, and I don't think they're very good.
Well, there's good art and there's bad art.
Okay.
But still art.
I agree with you there.
But no, it's sad to see somebody have Trump derangement syndrome like that.
And it's the thing where they were at a UFC fight and they shook hands with him.
And then you get mad.
I'm sure some of them do support him and endorse him, but it's like you can't even shake hands with a former president of the United States at an event and then say, and Jack White, he also did the thing where he says he's a racist and all this stuff.
And it's all these just leftist normalizing thing and association thing that always, that's always the line that you cross for me is like, if you're at the same event as somebody, you shake their hand, now you're normalizing.
And the big one was when Trump was running when Jimmy Fallon had him on and must with his hair.
And then people freaked out.
Oh, yeah.
You're normalizing him.
Why'd you give him a platform?
It's like he's running for president, whether you like him or not.
He's a huge celebrity and he's, you know.
And he's on a late-night comedy show.
Yeah, he's popular with half the country.
Checking if his hair is real was actually a decent bit.
Yeah.
I don't know if Jack White's hair is real there.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I saw the new cartoon Spider-Man this week.
How was it?
I have mixed feelings about it.
Woke or not woke?
It was not woke.
Okay.
There was like a Black Lives Matter sticker on a door somewhere in the background or something.
Better than that, it was like...
They probably watched the movie and they were like, oh shoot, we didn't put any woke stuff in it.
We just put the sticker in the middle.
We put the Chinese map in Barbie.
Let's give this one the BLM sticker.
But I guess it was just basically a part one of a two-part thing.
Yeah.
So we were watching it and it was like two and a half hours long and we're with the kids and we're like, how are they going to wrap this up in the next two minutes and then it just goes, let's go get him.
And then it was like to be continued.
It just cuts it in half.
Yeah.
What?
Travis, are you going to wait for both of them to come out and then watch them as a two-pack?
Yeah.
Yeah.
As a two-pack.
That'd be sweet.
At my personal Las Vegas screen.
I actually just saw the new Mission Impossible last night.
Oh, really?
It just came out.
It came out yesterday.
Yeah.
And it's also a part one.
Really?
Yeah.
And it really does, it's not as bad as your description of the one.
But it's very much like, wow, nothing's resolved.
Okay, bye.
And, you know.
Let's go.
Yeah.
And it just stops.
The lights come on.
You're like, what?
But it was good.
It was very good.
I'm going to be honest.
I liked the first three Mission Impossible movies, and I thought Ghost Protocol was kind of funny.
And everything after that blends together in my mind.
They're all the same.
They all blend together in my mind.
I've seen them each once.
Yeah.
And they're all the same.
And everybody loves the new ones.
Maybe I got to give them another shot.
Well, the new ones are all by the same director.
So that's why they all seem to be the same.
Maybe the same.
But I think it's they hit, they finally hit a good formula where it's literally just, oh, these are what good James Bond movies used to be like.
And that's why I like them.
He's working for the government, and then they turn on him.
And then he's always like cast down in every movie.
I'm pretty sure every single movie, he goes rogue or something.
We're going rogue again.
That's why I pitched that headline yesterday.
I was literally in the middle of the movie going.
You were pitching.
Surprise twist.
Yeah, I didn't want to forget.
Surprise twist, Ethan Hunt goes a rogue.
Goes a rogue again.
Mission Impossible movies for me are always, I go see them and then I forget what happened in them.
And then I have no intention to see the next one, but a friend will always invite me and then I go, I'll see it.
And I go, oh, that was a good movie.
And then I forget about it till the next one.
Yeah, I think, especially for these more recent ones, they're really, it's just the action set pieces.
You're there for that.
And they're really good.
I like the one where he jumped out of that building.
Yeah.
Was that Ghost Protocol?
The Saudi Arabia building where he's like Ghost Protocol.
Dubai or was it Saudi Arabia?
Oh, yeah.
Is Dubai in Saudi Arabia?
No, it's the UAE.
It's in the Middle East.
Is that not the same thing?
No, Saudi Arabia is a country.
Oh, I almost said city.
It's a country.
What's United Arab Emirates?
It's just nearby.
It's a different country?
Yeah.
It's a small country.
It's also a country.
It's a weird name for a country because it sounds like a sports team.
Yeah, UAE.
Oh, it's the United Arab Emirates.
Go team.
Go Emirates.
Go Emirates.
Yeah.
Banger of the week.
All right.
Well, now it's time for the Babylon B banger of the week.
Police investigating corpse that washed up on Delaware Beach.
The Photoshop.
It's so simple with just the police live, but it's so funny.
It's funny because I didn't see that original photo.
So I saw this on the B first.
I was like, oh, who is that?
What is that?
So for like hours for a whole day, you thought that there was a dead body on a Delaware.
Yeah, and I was like, wow, someone put him on a lounge chair.
That's nice.
That was nice.
Bomb of the week.
We also have a bomb of the week.
Peacock changes name to more honest, that service you only bought to watch The Office.
I like that.
Relatable.
That's another one of those.
It's supposed to be on Netflix, right?
Yes.
That was the big thing.
That's how they launched Peacock.
They managed to get the rights back and then started.
They dumped it on Peacock.
Yeah.
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The new atheists, essentially, they had a creed.
It was materialist naturalism.
All that exists is matter emotion.
They had an object of worship, basically science, and they had their high priests, you know, Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens.
They had sacred texts.
And if you went against, if you were part of their club, but you decided to go against their orthodoxy, they had their heretics as well.
And now it's time for another interview on the Babylon Bee Podcast.
Thank you guys.
Welcome to the interview show.
I'm Jarrett LeMaster.
This is Travis Woodside.
He's with me.
And with us today is Justin Briarly.
You've had a podcast forever called The Unbelievable Podcast.
And I've watched you many, many times interview very interesting people.
Over the years, you had this passion to bring people together that had differing points of view to try to find some common ground, to kind of have good discussions where nobody was yelling at each other.
That's unbelievable.
Yeah.
It's kind of an apologetics podcast, right?
Would you describe it like that?
But you're not doing that podcast anymore?
I'm not.
I'm not.
Yeah.
This is kind of fairly new, but just about three months ago, I moved on from hosting the show.
I started the show.
It ran under my tutelage for 17 and a half years.
And I had a wonderful time bringing lots of Christians and non-Christians together for some pretty high-profile debates.
And yeah, it was a wonderful show.
It continues without me under new management, as it were.
But I'm off doing some fresh new things in the whole area of cultural apologetics at the moment.
That's wonderful.
Okay, so tell us a little bit about some of the new things that you have going on.
We know you have a book coming out, so we want to make sure we plug that.
What is the book?
What are you doing?
What are you up to?
Well, one of the things I noticed over the last few years of doing the Unbelievable show was that the nature of the conversations was changing.
So I felt like the new atheist debates that kind of typified the show in its early years had actually waned and it was being replaced by a new kind of conversation on God, still with secular intellectuals and thinkers, but they were no longer kind of just dismissing religion and God out of hand.
They were actually quite often sympathetic to the claims of Christianity.
They were quite often on the same side on some cultural issues as Christians.
And this got me interested.
So that's really where the book came from, the surprising rebirth of belief in God.
It's about the way new atheism, I think, grew old and the rise of this new conversation among secular intellectuals like Jordan Peterson, Tom Holland, Douglas Murray, and a number of others who seem to be actually asking whether we can live without religion.
And alongside that, I was also discovering lots of interesting stories of people who had actually converted to Christianity as adults, surprising converts.
And I put all of this together, and I feel like we might be on the verge of a kind of rebirth of belief in God in our culture.
I think people have got tired of the atheist materialist story.
I don't think it's answered any of their questions.
And we're living in through this meaning crisis where people are actually looking for answers again.
And I feel like we might be on the verge of being able to see the Christian story start to answer those questions again.
So you mentioned new atheism.
And just we know what it is because we're smart.
But for any listener just tuning in, how would you define new atheism compared to just generic?
Did you just say nude atheism?
Absolutely.
Nude atheism is where Richard Dawkins goes on OnlyFans.
I think so.
The new atheism is something that's an image.
Yeah, sorry, try to wipe that from your mind.
No, the new atheism was kind of, it was around 2004, 2005, 2006, it started to emerge very much in response, I think, to 9-11 to religious extremism.
And it was a set of high-profile intellectuals who came out swinging for science, for Darwinism, for rationality, and very much saying science has disproved God.
Religion is fairy tales.
In fact, it's very bad for you indeed.
And so this was kind of typified by best-selling books, The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, God is Not Great by Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett, the other two of the four horsemen, also had their own books.
And there were a lot of conferences that took place around this time.
It was a real internet phenomenon as well.
I think in some ways it was really spurred on by chat rooms and early forms of social media.
It allowed atheists who perhaps felt they didn't have a voice up to that point, especially in the USA, to actually get together and talk.
And so it developed into this very brash, quite antagonistic form of non-belief where ridicule as much as reason was used to critique Christianity.
And it rode high, you know, for quite a while.
And yeah, it was, in a way, it was great for my show because it was a really obvious kind of opponent.
It was something we could really get our teeth into, have real debates around God, belief, Christianity.
And yeah, I'd say it kind of started to run out of steam, though, sort of in the sometime in the 2010s, I think.
people, I guess, perhaps just got a little bit tired of it.
It started to sound a little bit shrill and dogmatic itself, even taking on a slightly religious fervor, you know, among its adherents.
So that was kind of, yeah, where it came from.
I'm very interested to know, from your perspective, who was the most interesting person you had on?
What was the best debate you had in the last 17 years?
Oh, it's like asking me to choose between my children.
That's a really, really tough one.
One of the standout ones, I remember, it was one of our big conversation episodes.
I don't know if you guys have come across Tom Holland.
He's a secular historian here in the UK, not the Spider-Man actor, but a best-selling person.
He's been busy.
He's been busy.
And the thing is, he's very active on Twitter and constantly gets tagged by people who think he's actually Spider-Man.
But anyway, he's a really interesting guy.
He's been on my show several times.
He's a best-selling author of historical kind of history.
He runs a really successful podcast called The Rest is History.
But he produced a book in 2019 called Dominion.
And it was essentially about the way he, as a secular intellectual, had come to realize that everything he holds dear, all of his moral instincts, everything the West really holds to value, like human rights, dignity, equality, really all stem from the Christian revolution 2,000 years ago.
He had kind of grown up assuming, well, this is just the way civilized societies are.
This is just, you know, probably a product of reason and the Enlightenment.
But what he realized by actually studying the ancient world of Rome and Greece, he realized, no, these are very alien cultures to my way of thinking.
This is a place where, you know, there was no such thing as sexual consent among slaves and women, where human life was very expendable.
Where did we get this idea of the dignity and value of all human lives?
And he realized it really did start with Christianity.
And he realized that in every way, intellectually and morally, he was a Christian.
I had him on the show to debate that idea with A.C. Grayling, quite a well-known atheist philosopher also in the UK.
He had written a similar huge tome on the history of philosophy in the West.
And he came from a completely diametrically opposed opinion.
He just thought Christianity had been the worst thing for the world ever.
It had basically trashed the ancient world.
And they just had the sparkiest, most probably fun and interesting debate I've ever had the pleasure of moderating.
So it was really fun.
And if you go and watch that debate, especially the first 20 or so minutes, it's a bit of a guilty pleasure because Tom Holland really does, I think, take AC Grayling to task just on his history.
So yeah, a bit of a guilty pleasure to watch that one.
That's good.
We guys are going to need to check that out.
Gonna have to check that out.
Now, are we past, this is one quick question.
Maybe not a quick question.
Do you think, so pre-modernism, you know, faith informs reason?
Modernism, reason sort of informs faith.
And then postmodernism, we're kind of past all that.
Are we past postmodernism or do you think we're still in that phase?
And if so, what are we looking forward to, do you think?
I think we're very much still feeling the effects of the postmodern revolution.
And I think we're seeing that in our culture, where everyone has their own truth, essentially.
You know, that's one way of describing postmodernism, I suppose.
And to that extent, everyone's identity, truth, has to be regarded as sacrosanct.
The strange thing is that although postmodernity has essentially rejected religious institutions and claims to objective truth, it still seems to hanker after something like really solid truth because once someone has claimed to have a particular identity, then to deny it, you are effectively denying their personhood.
It becomes sacred.
It becomes quasi-religious itself.
And that's one of the key things I think that comes out, something I spell out in the book is that whichever age we're living in, pre-modern, modern, post-modern, the religious sort of hankering, the religious impulse is there all along.
It just takes different forms.
And for me, people don't become less religious in a post-Christian age.
They just become religious about other things.
I think the God-shaped hole exists and people are trying to fill it with various things.
I think that we're getting to a point in our postmodern culture where actually people are starting to realize these stories don't all hang together.
We used to have a kind of common narrative, a thread that we could all essentially subscribe to in the West.
It was the story of Christianity.
Now that we've essentially lost that and we're all got a lot of competing stories that are all bumping up against each other, we've entered the culture wars.
We've entered this endless, you know, noisy, you know, proliferation of different ideologies and identities which cannot agree with each other.
And so I think there comes a point when that runs out of steam, when people just can't get on with that anymore.
And I think we're seeing it in the meaning crisis, the way that we're seeing anxiety, depression, suicide rates going up, even in our technologically literate, you know, very sort of wealthy society.
We're no happier than, we're less happy than our forebears.
So for me, it all points towards the fact that people are looking for a true story.
And this might be the moment when we've been let down by the new atheism, we've been let down by postmodernism, we've been let down by the new religions, that maybe it's time for the Christian story to step up again.
Sure.
And in your opinion, that's probably why I knew the atheism even started in the first place, because it's almost religious and fanatical in a sense.
I think it took on a kind of quasi-religious form.
I think things always do, don't they?
When they're basically put in the position of God.
And the new atheists, essentially, they had a creed.
It was materialist naturalism.
All that exists is matter in motion.
They had an object of worship, basically science.
And that was going to be their savior.
That was going to be the thing that, and they had their high priests, you know, Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens.
They had sacred texts.
And if you went against, if you were part of their club, but you decided to go against their orthodoxy, they had their heretics as well.
People like Thomas Nagel, who's an atheist, but who wrote a book called Mind and Cosmos, which said, well, maybe there is some kind of purpose in the universe.
And he got absolutely rounded on with unswerving zeal by the new atheists.
So we all kind of have that religious tendency.
The new atheists are no exception in that sense.
It's just that their object of worship, like so many, was misplaced, you know.
That's amazing.
Okay, so what is the name of your book again?
I don't see it in my notes, but what tell us the name of your book so that people can buy it and we'll just keep talking about the name of your book so we can sell a million copies and you can get super rich.
Well, that would be great.
The surprising rebirth of belief in God is the name of the book.
The subtitle, because I like my long subtitles, is Why New Atheism Grew Old and Secular Thinkers Are Considering Christianity Again.
And that in a nutshell is sort of the argument of the book.
Old atheism.
Yeah, exactly.
New atheism is nude atheism.
Yeah, nude atheism.
And old atheism.
So since new atheism is kind of fallen, there's just no more atheism anymore.
And it's all everyone's Christian now, right?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you solved it.
Interesting to me is that, looking at where the new atheists are now okay, so where where are the people who were basically filling conferences to declaim god, who were selling these best-selling books arguing against religion?
None of them are talking about religion anymore.
Um, they've all moved on um, and and so if you look at Sam Harris, for instance, where's he?
Well, he's fighting the culture wars.
Um, if you look at uh, Christopher Hitchens died kind of before really the Cultural war.
Where's he now?
Where's he now?
Well, that's another good question.
Anyway, if we're asking these questions, where are these?
Yeah, we're just asking questions.
Where are they now?
We know where Peter Hitchens is.
I, you know, I was like, have you ever talked to Peter Hitchens?
Yeah, several times on the show.
Um yeah well, the interesting thing about Peter is obviously brother of Christopher Hitchens.
He was, he's almost the polar opposite, a very staunch Christian, very conservative Christian.
In many ways he's kind of just as kind of um ownery as his brother, though he he's he's, he's.
He's a really grumpy, grumpy guy.
His voice is so funny.
Actually, I love that guy so much because I laugh out loud whenever I hear him or watch him.
He's so funny, he's great.
He kind of wears it as a.
It's a bit of an identity, I think um, but yeah, it is a fun one.
Yeah, he's got that really upper crust British accent too.
It's awesome.
Oh, that's incredible.
So so, this that you talk you mentioned earlier Jordan Peterson um, I mean, he's packing I don't know if it's stadiums, but he's packing very large rooms auditoriums, you know big large, lots of seats with uh, talking about the Old Testament, with not a lot of people that are Christians in the room.
Yeah, and uh, what do you think this?
This is kind of part of this phenomenon, isn't it like people are interested uh, in this and in truth and in, you know, morality and morality having a beginning and an, you know, like a reason.
Do you do you think what is the Jordan Peterson effect and how is it how, why is it happening?
Is it all part of the same thing?
I've been fascinated by this ever since Peterson came on my own show, you know, several years ago, and when I had him on in a discussion on do we need go to make sense of life, he was opposite an atheist psychologist, Susan Blackmore, and he basically acted the part of the Christian apologist for the purposes of that show.
He basically argued that we do need god to make sense of life.
Now he kind of has this interesting definition of god and it's hard to pin down exactly what his beliefs are around god and Christianity, but for the most part, Jordan Peterson is very different to most of his atheist brethren.
Um, and and what's been really interesting about that is is that the people who turn out to hear him talk about the Old Testament to say, life, you know, you have to have meaning, you have to have purpose in life um they're, they're the same crowd who I think were turning out for the new atheists when they were at their height, but I think what they found was they didn't offer any answers.
Uh, they didn't offer any actual substantive sort of way of living your life in a way that was meaningful, because science and reason alone won't do it.
You know um, you can, you can look at the stars and that's great, but at the end of the day, it's not necessarily going to change your life, and Jordan Peterson was basically set offering A lot of people suffering a kind of identity and meaning crisis, a way of understanding themselves, especially in the light of ancient wisdom from the Bible.
And it's really interesting because even though he kind of seems to be teetering on the edge of Christian faith himself, a lot of the people who have followed him have walked through that door.
It's almost like he's been a gateway drug to taking Christianity seriously.
I know a number of people who have basically come to faith because Jordan Peterson made it intellectually possible to take the Bible seriously.
And so it's just fascinating.
I'm not saying that this is the beginnings of some great revival led by Jordan Peterson, but it is a sign, I think, of the fact that the conversation has changed massively, especially at those upper levels where people can entertain the idea even of God and Christianity in a more serious way.
Yeah, what really intrigues me about Jordan Peterson, though, is, I mean, you kind of hit on it, is that he's not a Christian, but he's, you know, packing rooms to talk about biblical concepts and things.
And he seems to at least acknowledge that there's a greater purpose out there.
Why do you think, and I don't want you to just speak for him, obviously, but why do you think him and people like him will are spending so much time and energy discussing this when they don't even fully believe it?
Do you think that's just them on their own personal growth and they'll eventually get there?
I think in all honesty, and I don't, as you say, I don't want to speak for Jordan Peterson, but my hunch about where he's at is that he desperately wants it to be true because the alternatives are pretty nihilistic and he recognizes that.
He knows that if there isn't something like the Christian story, then we're just floating in a meaningless vacuum, basically.
And so for him, I think he's very drawn to the Christian story.
But I think there probably is a kind of an intellectual barrier there at some level, just at the very sort of almost at the level of, did Jesus rise from the dead?
You know, as soon as you kind of say yes to that proposition, you're kind of put on the outside of some intellectual circles.
And so it may be difficult for him to kind of get to that place.
Who knows?
But at the same time, him and many others of his genre are basically saying there is incredible value to this, even if I don't believe the supernatural claims.
I can see the effect this has had.
He would, just as Tom Holland does, he says, no one can doubt the incredible cultural legacy of Christianity, the way it's shaped our morality and our society.
He would also, I think, say, you know, functionally, we can't operate without something like Christianity in the West, that actually the other stories, the atheist material stories, they're just not serious enough to help people lead a meaningful life.
In that sense, him and many others are kind of almost treating Christianity and religion as a sort of useful fiction.
It's a kind of, it's a thing you need, even if it's not necessarily true.
The thing for me is that's not enough.
I think the reason it's useful, the reason it's done so much, is precisely because it is true.
I don't think you get these results from something that was actually just something some people made up 2000 years ago.
Yeah, some shared narrative that we all have.
Yeah, it is interesting how he talks about that.
We recently offended Jordan Peterson because we wrote an article that said Jordan Peterson interprets the scripture in any possible way other than the way it was intended or something, something like that.
And Eric Metaxas was, anyways, he told me that that is what.
Yeah, he shared that with me.
He was like, yeah, he was very offended by this post.
And I was like, okay, well, maybe he should just try it, try interpreting it the way it was intended, maybe.
Sometimes people need to be pricked in the heart, right?
And maybe in time that'll work out for him.
Well, it seems like it's going to be the Babylon B that brought him across the line.
You know, it wouldn't be, there are some people that come to Christ through the satire.
It's actually interesting.
It works as an apologetic tool because we're doing philosophy on some level and engaging with the conversation, you know, and so people kind of see the hypocrisy and they're what I like about what you guys do is you don't look like dorks.
It's kind of like the problem is that the new atheism really managed to make Christians look like dorks and you guys don't.
And that itself, I think, can break down some preconceptions and barriers people have and just make them possibly a little bit more open to actually hearing the message.
I mean, that's the interesting thing about the book, The Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God.
Some of the stories of the people who have converted are not your usual characters.
They're not the people you might expect.
They're kind of these intellectuals who are themselves very surprised at the journey they've gone on.
I tell the story of Paul Kingsnall, who's a celebrated author and poet here in the UK.
And just a few years ago, he had a dramatic adult conversion to Christianity, quite against his own kind of better judgment.
He said, if you had asked me a couple of years before that, if you told me you're going to be a Christian, I would have laughed you out of the room.
But it's because I think people are realizing there's a depth here.
There's an intellectual tradition that they hadn't realized because it's kind of been disguised or covered over almost by the church and by our culture.
But once people realize it and they see how much it makes sense of things compared to the postmodern slash materialist narrative, I think people suddenly wake up to the fact that this isn't just Sunday school stuff.
This is something that could shape the world before and could shape the world again.
That is amazing.
Well, this is, I love this conversation.
I wish we could talk all day.
But we are really wanting our people to check out your book, The Surprising Resurgence.
Rebirth.
Rebirth of the Surprising Rebirth of Belief in God.
Please, guys, go check it out.
And you are doing more stuff in culture.
You're writing books and stuff.
You're doing a lot more stuff.
Yeah.
If you want to get hold of the book, it's at justinbriarly.com.
That's a good place to go and check it out and pre-order it.
I'm even setting up to get assigned copies available through my website as well.
But so, yeah, you can find out about some of the other stuff I'm involved in, podcasts, videos, and more there.
That's awesome.
And I want to say that to everybody that it's a very entertaining read.
And I really appreciate the aspects of it about how, I mean, I don't know if you intentionally did it or not, but it really shows how atheism or new atheism ended up being used to spread the gospel in a way.
And it just reminds me of, you know, what we talk about, how God uses the wise things of the world or the foolish things of the world to shame the wise.
Thank you.
Yeah.
And the, yeah.
Yeah, that's funny.
It's so true.
I mean, he uses things that we don't expect.
And all the time, he's still, he still does it and he's still in charge.
And we're very grateful for this.
I have a great friend called Peter Byram, who I mentioned in the book.
And he's a Christian today because of Richard Dawkins, basically.
So when I interviewed him about his journey, he said, I want to say thank you, Richard Dawkins.
And that is the kind of funny upside-down way God often works.
So yeah, I say thank God for Richard Dawkins.
Every day.
I just thank the Lord when I wake up.
Justin Briarly, thank you so much for coming on.
The surprising rebirth of belief in God is your book.
Guys, go check it out.
It's a great one.
All right.
Thanks for your time.
Thank you so much.
Have a great day.
Thanks, guys.
Wow, that was a great interview, Travis.
And whoever that other guy was with you.
We hope you stay tuned in for the rest of the podcast.
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It said tune in, but they're already listening to the podcast.
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Adam Ford.
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All right.
So we had an article.
Moses asks God if he could repart the Red Sea real quick because he dropped his sunglasses in there.
Classic.
What was that headline?
I don't remember.
Somebody, one of the writers, pitched it.
It just seems so random.
I love it.
And no one could ever be mad or hateful about that headline.
He drops his sunglasses and he goes, I need another miraculous effect right now.
Can you part it one more time?
It's actually pretty funny.
I like the joke more now.
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Dan, I owe you one copy of the book of Eli on DVD.
I take prayer very seriously, but I take subscriber headline more seriously.
And there's one of those bowling ball bombs like I was talking about.
We actually used it.
Not going to purchase your product again.
Flowerbed.
I think he thinks we're Ben and Jerry.
Husband knows he still has it when wife whispers in his ear, I love how the lawn looks.
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