The Creator and the Executive Producer of The Tuttle Twins TV Show are at The Babylon Bee: Connor Boyack and Daniel Harmon! They discuss Season 2 of The Tuttle Twins coming out now, including an episode where Jarret LeMaster plays George Washington, and the new Tuttle Twins textbook on American History! Connor and Daniel take a quiz on American History and talk about shows like Transformers that are actively trying to brainwash your kids about pronouns. Sad! But, the Tuttle Twins are here to save America! Watch the Tuttle Twins including the new episodes from Season 2 coming out now: https://www.angel.com/watch/tuttle-twins Check out The New Tuttle Twins Textbook on American History from 1776-1791: https://tuttletwins.com/history
In this week's podcast, Kyle and Jarrett sit down with Tuttle Twins creator Connor Boyak and executive producer of the Tuttle Twins TV show Daniel Harmon to talk about the next exciting season of Tuttle Twins.
Well, thanks guys for coming in.
Thanks for having us.
Thank you for having us.
This is fun.
So Tuttle Twins season two.
Is this going to be like, is this going to be as good of a jump in quality as Parks and Recreation season one to two?
Wow.
Lost quite the jump.
It was a dramatic jump.
Or I'm trying to think of a show.
It was a show that had a bad season two.
Like, who jumped the shark right away?
Like, I was like, I'm thinking Battlestar Galactica, but that was like season three to season four was the big drop-off.
Yeah, Lost?
Was Lost lame in season two?
Lost?
I think Lost got better.
Okay.
Jericho.
Did you guys ever see Jericho?
They didn't even finish season two.
Okay, so Jericho and Homestead.
Yeah.
Kind of a similar concept.
You guys are coming out with another.
It's the Angel Studios is trying to do it.
So do you guys?
Yeah.
We are not.
You guys are not personally.
No, but yeah, but that's, we'll take your money.
Here, take my.
So getting back to the original question of the drop-off, right?
Well, getting back to my question of Lost Season 2, they brought in that annoying chick in Lost Season 2.
Which one was she?
She was the...
I'm trying to remember.
And what's...
What's her name?
Michelle Rodriguez.
She plays the same character in her.
Super tough.
She's always like super tough.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm going to take you down.
Yeah, I'm from Pomona.
Yeah, exactly.
That was actually a line from Tom Clark.
Chris always plays the same character, but that works, right?
It's like a trying too hard.
Isn't Michelle in Dungeons and Dragons?
She isn't.
She plays the same character.
She plays the same character.
She's still like a few more wrinkles now, but she's the exact same character.
She's like super urban.
She looks like she's put on some muscle.
The hard-edged mercenary with a heart of gold.
The heart and dragons was fun.
It was.
I haven't seen it.
You know, I was so surprised because I saw DD in theaters and then I saw Mario in theaters.
And it's like, no wokeness, no weird stuff.
I'm like, two movies in a row is something changing.
What's passing?
Did they get the message?
Well, and then Cleopatra is getting like 1% rotten tomato reviews.
And so maybe the message is starting to sink in.
That's interesting.
Although, I mean, you look at the children's entertainment.
You look at Transformers just came out with an episode where apparently robot computers have pronouns and they're no longer binary.
And you look at all the kids' content and Transformers for nothing.
Oh my God.
I just see it's been in there the whole time.
They're just going back to the whole name.
There you go.
Just feels like there's a lot of activism in that type of media.
And it's so funny how cringy it is because it comes off like a bad diversity training video, you know, where they're like, actually, my pronouns are they, them.
Oh, I apologize.
I didn't realize that.
Like, that's literally the dialogue in this.
Yeah, that's right.
Every time.
It's so bad.
I will try to do better.
I will listen to this.
My apologies.
Well, I feel like, and that's, I feel like that's how Christian movies used to be.
Like, hem-fisted.
Just very looking at you.
Do you accept Jesus?
And I don't think I feel like it's way more on the other side now.
Yeah.
We're getting better.
Yeah.
Hopefully.
They're getting worse.
So season two, what are we talking about?
So speaking of children's entertainment.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because it isn't like pushing anything at all.
I mean, except for freedom.
But anyway, that's right.
But no, yeah, season two, we're hoping that the quality is increasing and that that's what we're going for and early indicators so that people are really resonating with the content, especially we just did an episode on Bitcoin and it went really well.
Yeah, blew up all over, you know, Twitter and TikTok and Instagram.
And so we've had a lot of virality with it.
And one of our favorite comments is the guy who's like, I've been trying to explain this thing to my wife for like 7,000 hours.
And you guys did in 20 minutes what I couldn't do in 7,000.
I need to watch this to understand.
It was a hard one.
It was hard in the writer's room to figure that one out.
Everyone was like, this is like the hardest one.
Wait a minute.
This doesn't matter.
The most complex episode we've ever done.
And the director and I, so Tyler, the director, and I, when we were finishing the episode or the animatic, which is what you deliver to the animation house for them to do the animation.
So it's the collection of storyboards and everything that's put together.
And like, here you go, go ahead and animate this.
When we were putting the finishing touches on that, we were literally like, I don't know if anybody's going to understand a word of this.
We're like, hopefully, hopefully the parents get it at least, you know, and maybe get some discussion going.
But we were just like, oh, man, our kids are going to understand this.
But we have been hearing that like kids are really understanding and asking their parents for like to be paid in Bitcoin for like mowing the lawn.
They allow in such satoshis.
Brainwashing the children with the Bitcoin message.
Yeah, that's so funny.
Well, it's interesting because the Tettle Twins is really good at this.
Like they take these high concepts.
I love the Tettle Twins.
My kids watch it multiple times.
I was telling you guys before.
They take these massive concepts, government, Federal Reserve, that kind of stuff, and they make it into really understandable episodes.
So at the very end, you do really have an understanding.
What was it?
The one, so the federal, the monster, the federal inflation monster.
And you guys made a book out of that.
You made like a graphic novel out of that.
My kids have that too.
That was like the OG, man.
That's so good.
That was OG.
That was like first season.
That was one of the episode two or something.
Episode six.
Yeah, episode six.
Back in the day.
Yeah, it was your face back in 2015 or something.
I'm a bit of a hipster.
I liked it before.
It was cool.
Yeah, yeah.
Street credit over there.
The fascinating thing for me is, so I started all this before Tuttle Twins running a think tank, a nonprofit trying to educate voters about why we should limit government or whatever.
And it was always so difficult because adults are very set in their ways.
It's very hard to change your guys' worldview or any of our worldviews.
And so what we found when we started in the Tettle Twins years later is it was such a creative and impactful way to reach the adults, many of whom would tell us, the parents, like, hey, I got these books for my kids, but I'm learning stuff that I'd never learned before in school.
And I'm having these aha moments.
And so I started to realize back in 2014, 15, 16, like this is such a helpful way to even reach the adults.
Yeah, we want to teach children both through books and through the cartoon, but we're finding that like entire families are starting to warm up to these ideas of a free society because we're doing it at like a super simplified level.
Yeah.
It's helpful.
Yeah.
I mean, it gives the parents ammunition.
And like you said, it helps them articulate something that maybe they believed in all along, but now they can finally explain it to their kids and actually have a kind of critical thinking conversation around the dinner table with it.
So it's been attempts to do stuff like this in school are always boring.
Like who remembers their economics class fondly and like, I'm so glad for all the things that I learned there, right?
But when you do it through storytelling and humor and everything else, like these lessons sink in, the kids are getting it.
I had a dad write me recently.
He was at the grocery store with his nine-year-old daughter.
They're walking down the chip aisle and suddenly he turns to his side and she's not there.
She stopped back at the potato chips and her mouth is just open and she's staring at these potato chips.
Dad's like, what are you doing?
She's like, I get it now.
I get spontaneous order.
And this is an economic principle in one of our books where you don't have a potato chip president or czar or this is important.
Somebody wrote this down.
And his dad was like, or she was hungry.
But the dad was just amazed that like this daughter who read a story now sees in action in the grocery store that there's a bajillion types of potato chips and this is spontaneous order.
There's no central planning.
There's no quotas and it's just abundance through the free market.
And the dad was.
Department of potato chips.
We could do it.
Don't give Biden any ideas.
It would fix things up real good.
It's like lacking the potato chip diversity.
I will have potato chips.
Department of humor.
Yeah.
So there's so many things.
Bernie Sanders wanted the Department of Deodorant.
Do you remember that?
No.
He was upset because he was like.
You're saying this with a straight face.
Like, this is a real thing.
But he had some tweet where he was ranting about how there's way too many varieties of deodorant at the store.
Like, we don't need 18 varieties of deodorant.
That's why you go to Costco.
So you only get like two varieties.
Like, we need to send him some Tuttle Twins episodes.
You guys did an article on that years ago where Bernie was like, stop sending me all these economic books.
And he had a Tuttle Soul book.
Yeah, it's Thomas Soule's book.
And then in there was a paragraph about they keep sending me all these children's books.
So what's funny is in a couple of months, we're actually launching a campaign designed to send a Tuttle Twins book to your least favorite congressman.
Oh, that's scary because these are written for kids age five to ten and members of Congress.
Who needs this information?
There's pictures.
Hey, pictures.
You don't even have to read it.
Even a congressman.
You know what's great about the Tuttle Twins too, though?
It's like, obviously, the information is great, but you guys are really funny.
Like, this is a, I mean, and we know funny, but like, this is funny.
Like, you guys, it's on par with the Phineas and Ferbs of the world.
We were saying earlier.
My kids love it because it's funny.
I mean, it's no bluey.
It's no bluey.
It's no bluey.
Bluey's amazing.
Bluey's fantastic.
Now, do you guys watch a lot of children's cartoons?
Is that how you get your experience?
I do.
I do a fair amount.
I delegate that to him.
No, I mean, for us as writers, and when I say us as writers, I mean, the primary writers all have experience in either stand-up or sketch writing or in improv or sometimes all three.
And so they're bringing that comedic background to the table.
They have the comedic timing and are very experienced in that way.
And we're drawing from inspirations like, you know, The Simpsons and Phineas and Ferb and Gravity Falls and Bluey and Rick and Morty.
That's less my cup of tea than some of the other writers.
But a little warning for the homeschooler.
Yeah, exactly.
Disclaimer.
Proceed with caution.
But essentially, yeah, we've been inspired by really great cartoons.
And kind of, the vision for the show has, it's turned out to be a little bit kind of like what George Lucas did with Star Wars, where he was kind of pulling from all these different artistic sources like the Flash Gordon series and the Samurai films and the Westerns and all these things and kind of putting it together in this one, you know, new thing that we now know is Star Wars.
It's essentially, upon reflection, that's a little bit of what we've done with Tuttle Twins, where we're pulling a little bit from like the magic school bus and a little bit from schoolhouse rock and a little bit from the Simpsons and Simpsons and Phineas and Ferb and all these favorites of ours and kind of making this show that's family friendly, that kids can enjoy with their parents.
And hopefully a lot of the humor really hits for the adults because we're writing it for us as much as we are, you know, for the kids.
And so that's been really fun to kind of see the parents are like, this is more clever and funny than it has any right to be.
We hear those kinds of things.
In terms of quality, is it more Phantom Menace or Original Trilogy?
Will you call your original trilogy?
Correct answer.
There is only one.
Although there's a very quotable line in the Phantom Menace that I use all the time is when we get something to work in an edit, I'm like, it's working.
Oh, Josh.
Yeah, little Josh.
I'll try spinning.
That's a good trick.
That's a good one.
And now this is pod racing.
Yeah.
No, that's the thing.
Now this is pod racing.
It's funny because he's not.
The one I quote is when Padme's in the Senate or whatever as it's being transformed to the first galactic empire and everyone's like, yeah.
And she says, so this is how liberty dies with thunderous applause.
Democracy dies, but yes.
Exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was January 6th on that day, right?
Democracy dies, but yeah.
So this is how liberty dies.
Democracy dies, but yes.
Exactly.
So this is how liberty dies with thunderous applause.
I like how clumsy Lucas was as a screenwriter.
You know, because the original trilogy, he had a lot of help screenwriting, and then later on, he didn't take advice.
And so when he writes that line, it's like, it's a powerful moment in the movie.
And then he has to say it.
Like, I'm like, you don't have to say it.
But we can see that this is what's happening.
She looks at the camera.
So this is democracy.
We got it.
We got this.
It's a good quote for Connor.
Well, then you get these like, you get these Oscar-worthy, you know, like these Oscar actors, and they're in there, and they're just awful because the dialogue is so bad.
It's so funny.
It's hard for them to work.
Poor Hayden, you know.
Well, there are good actors in Tuttle Twins, I hear.
There are.
There's one in our presence, I hear.
Yes.
Yeah.
One good actor.
I mean, not Oscar.
Who is your favorite character and why is it George Washington or the mayor?
Yeah, that's right.
Jarrett voiced some characters.
Two.
Two characters.
Two characters.
Yeah.
Future Oscar winner Jarrett Lester.
Yeah.
So fun.
Yeah, I play George Washington in an upcoming episode, which is coming out in June.
Did we hear your George Washington?
I think I did it like this.
I'm not exactly sure.
I can't remember.
It was in that neighborhood.
It was somewhere else.
You're selling cut concepts.
No, George Washington was a cutcoin.
I'm George Washington.
Sounds very historical.
It's almost like a Charlton Heston-esque kind of thing.
So a little bit of that.
That's a vibe.
Masala.
Let my people go.
Oh, yeah.
Jarrett's got a lot of voices.
And yeah, it was really, really cool to kind of plug him in there to George Washington.
It's an important episode, too, because that one's on tribalism.
Right.
And so it's all about how we should be seeking after truth and not after what our team is into or our tribe.
And so it's a little bit of a commentary on, you know, the political parties and critical thinking.
And I mean, George Washington was a great example of that, obviously, because, you know, his farewell speech, he really warned about the dangers of, you know, people falling into tribes.
And he had cabinet members, right, and stuff that were kind of getting into that group thing, kind of in that tribalism.
And he was, he was kind of, he saw way into our future and was like, this is going to be bad.
It was in his farewell letter that he said he warned of the spirit of party because he was seeing his own cabinet where you'd have that divisiveness just degrading things.
And you read that in retrospect and you're like, oh my gosh, this is like to a T what we're seeing today.
Luckily, we listened to him.
No, didn't find out.
Well, what a message that we're going to do.
Implement.
He didn't have the voice like you to really, you know, let it.
His voice is paddy.
Nobody ever listens to me.
I'm George Washington.
We'll jump into some questions in a second here, but it says the first season was a big hit, 15 million views after it was crowdfunded and produced.
Yeah.
Almost 5 million sold of the Tuttle Twins books.
Does that sound right?
And there's a new Tuttle textbook coming out.
I got this one on my shelf.
My kids flip through it.
Woohoo!
This is the volume two.
Volume two, which I don't have yet.
That's awesome.
And you're going to give that to me?
This is your gift.
This is the price of me.
I got to get the complete set here.
But these are more junior high high schooling.
These are like age six to 12, something like that.
They're still like storybook level, just like the main books.
But the reason we started doing our first one last year and now the second one was I bought a whole bunch of social studies textbooks that are used in the schools trying to see how are they teaching about like the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Revolution.
And as you might recall from your own schooling experience, all these books were insanely boring.
I mean, it was all like memorize these factoids of when these battles happened and who marched from where and what uniforms they wore and the cannonballs and the muskets and just all this minutiae.
But on the back of the book, you'll see, Kyle, we got the quote, you've all heard it.
Those who don't learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
And we all know that quote.
And yet we're not teaching kids about history to learn from it.
We're simply teaching them to learn about it.
And that's a difference with a distinction.
Just memorize it.
You'll want it later.
We don't know why.
It'll be on the test.
You need to know these dates.
It'll be on the test.
And you guys probably saw this news blip that came out a few weeks ago that the nation's report card came out and said that only 13% of eighth graders are proficient when it comes to American history.
One, one, three, 13%.
And so my contention is that's because the textbooks they're using are horrible, that the way they're being taught history is horrible.
It's all just, yeah, it's memorize this crap for the test.
There's no context.
There's no focus on ideas and why stuff that happened 250 years ago matters to us today.
And the schools can't answer that question.
It's just, we're required to teach you this.
And so memorize it and we're going to test you on it.
So the idea with the books is let's use storytelling to teach the ideas of the past that, yes, happened and motivated these people hundreds of years ago to do what they did, but those same ideas are relevant today.
And so if we can give kids an opportunity to learn through story about those ideas in the context of 250 years ago, at the end of every chapter, we're like, okay, hey, we just talked about this, let's say, division, you know, between people and this combativeness.
Let's talk about a modern example of that.
And then they can start to see like, oh, that thing that happened has, you know, relevance to our world today so that we can hopefully help these kids to start learning from history so that you and I and everyone else doesn't have to keep repeating the mistakes of the past because these kids are all being seduced by the siren song of socialism.
If you don't want your kids to be socialists, pre-order the next title textbook.
I think that's probably true for most of us, I would say, that are listening.
Most good parents, anyway.
I mean, for sure, parents are going to get a lot out of it.
Hey, we've got a quiz for you.
Oh, yeah.
We've got quizzes.
Awesome.
Quizzes are great.
This is the American history quiz.
Yeah.
Don't get 13%.
We just got done writing a book about that.
This is how we're going to do it.
Daniel, you're going to answer first.
Oh, God.
A lot of Dan Gonner's going to answer.
Yes, this is awesome.
Number one, who was the first president of the United States in Congress assembled?
George Washington, James Madison, John Hancock, or John Hansen?
This is to me in Congress assembled?
That's what the question says.
I don't write the question.
I'm like, is that a qualifier that's supposed to throw me off?
I'm going to say George Washington is the first president of the United States.
What do you think, Connor?
Yeah, George Washington, first president.
The answer is John Hansen, actually.
Oh, are we talking Continental Congress?
Was that Congress assembled?
Congress assembled.
They're talking about a curveball.
Continental.
That's so funny.
I got an African swallow.
African swallows.
We'll get you a topic that up to.
Is it in there?
Yeah.
What were George Washington's false teeth made out of?
Brocks, wood, hippopotamus, ivory, and cow's teeth, or marshmallows.
So wood was one of the things that they were potentially made out of.
I guess there's other things, but wood.
But my recollection is the teeth were ivory.
So I feel like it's B and C.
Okay.
Wow.
Hippopotamus ivory and cow's teeth.
Hippopotamus ivory and cow's teeth that were attached with springs.
Yeah, like your guys' shoes.
Exactly.
Yeah.
That's amazing.
The technology hasn't changed.
I'm just not going to answer teeth, shoes.
Did we mention the shoes on the podcast, or is that going to be a oh, that's going to be a weird thing?
So they wear this, where they're wearing the same shoes.
Their shoes have springs.
We'll get kisses to sponsor this.
The episode.
Yeah, there we go.
Let's call them up.
Let's do it.
Yeah.
All right.
Can I read this?
No, here we go.
Number three, what was the first?
Oh, you're not.
What was the first battle of the American War for Independence in 1775?
A, the Battle of Jenkins Ear, which my other character's name is Mayor Jenkins.
I just want to point out.
Lovely.
B, the Battle of Bunker Hill.
C, Lexington and Concord.
D, the Battle of Corned Beef Wallace.
I think it's Lexington and Concord.
Okay.
Lexington.
That's C. Confirmed.
Okay.
Yes.
Concord is correct.
I was there last week.
I got filming some videos for the people at Book Launch.
Well, that's amazing.
That's very amazing.
It was a cool place.
There is no battle for Jenkins Ear, but there is a war of Jenkins ear, which is one of the most interesting things.
That is really.
It's my favorite war.
Is it?
Yeah.
Well, really briefly, what is the word?
I believe it was an English guy.
What are you talking about?
There was an English guy.
There was an English guy that got kidnapped by Spanish navies or whatever, and they cut his ear off and sent it to the king as like a sign or whatever.
So they started a war over this.
So it's the War of Jenkins Ear.
What year was that?
It was like early 1770s or something.
It was in there-ish.
Interesting.
I could be wrong.
That's literally your favorite war.
Yeah.
That is the hottest one.
I hope there's one name.
You want to take this one?
All right.
Who's the best American president ever?
A, Abraham Lincoln.
B, Barack Obama.
Or C, Joe Biden.
Come on, man.
No one ever got 81 million votes before.
I'm going to.
Those are my only options.
Yeah.
I'm going to create a D.
I was just about to say, I'm a libertarian.
Don't tell me what to do.
D, none of the above.
The answer is Barack Obama.
Of course.
Okay.
And the actual answer is.
Did Chat GPT create this quiz for him?
Actual answer is Ron Paul, though.
Okay.
I would have accepted that as well.
He would have been universal.
We'll give you guys a half point on that.
Yeah, half point.
Okay.
All right.
Due to an oversight, which state was not officially admitted to the union as a state until 1953?
A. Alaska.
B, Hawaii, C, Oregon, D, Ohio, E, South Carolina, F, Detroit.
And we could keep going.
Or like so many.
And Colorado.
Due to an oversight?
That's a weird.
Yeah, I don't know.
See, see, this says 1776 to 1791.
That's when my historical knowledge cuts off so far.
If I were to guess, so 1950s, I mean, that's kind of when Hawaii became a state.
So I'll say Hawaii.
I was going to guess why.
That makes sense.
The oversight thing is.
Somebody didn't turn in the paperwork.
No, it's actually Ohio.
It was a big oversight.
Like a tremendous oversight.
That's a crazy oversight.
He's just sitting there hanging out.
So people grew up in Ohio in the early states should have been declaring war on Ohio.
Yeah.
We're intruders.
It says that they were not.
It says that their Constitution wasn't officially recognized by the federal government until Dwight Eisenhower.
Oh, my God.
Who then post-dated their statehood back to 1803?
Oh, post-date.
You just say, oh, it was even a statement.
Yeah, post-date.
Yeah.
Post-date.
Avoided a war.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.
I like Ike.
Yeah.
All right.
And what year did America fake the moon land?
1955, 1963, 1969, or 1812.
Oh, that's a good curveball.
This is 1969.
Didn't he say by the end of the decade we would put a man on the moon?
So I'm going to say 69.
Yeah, I'm going to agree with my 69.
Correct answer.
Good work.
Same year as Woodstock.
Faked in 1969.
It was like, we landed on the moon.
That was like June 20-something.
That's good.
Oh, yeah.
This question is worth 46 points.
Oh.
And the title.
All right.
So, okay.
So name all the presidents in chronological order with commentary.
With commentary?
I'm reminded of like that Anna Maniacs thing where you memorize the states.
George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Andrew Jackson, Martin Van Buren, William Harrison, John Tyler, James K. Polk, Zachary Taylor, Millard Fillmore, Franklin Pierce, James Buchanan, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, Ulysses S. Grant, Brother Ford B. Hayes, Chester Garfield.
This is crazy.
There's no commentary, so I'm failing.
No, no.
I want the full first.
Keep going.
Oh, no, I got thrown off now.
There's a song that goes with this.
I'm trying to get back to it.
You got to Lincoln and then Brother Ford B. Hayes and James A. Garfield, Chester A. Arthur, Grover Cleveland, Benjamin Harrison, Cleveland, once again.
William Harrison, Franklin Roosevelt.
No, I don't know.
You can claim the title.
It is all yours.
I feel like you got through the hard ones and then you gave up.
That's like the last hundred years you got.
What was that?
From Teddy Roosevelt, wasn't it?
So Beyond.
Yeah, okay.
So Franklin Roosevelt.
If you get to like Woodrow Wilson, and after that, everybody knows most of them.
Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover.
Yeah, Calvin Coolidge, Herbert Hoover, Franklin D. Roosevelt.
And was it Truman?
Chariot Truman?
Dwight D. Eisenhower?
He's looking at us.
I don't know.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, I'm getting a little close.
I had it once.
We'll give you full credit.
I think you, yeah, 46 points for sure.
Yeah.
And the title.
And he could have just made 75%.
I think Daniel has like the Neuralink brain implant already, right?
Hold on, let me ask this.
This is coming from a homeschool song.
So that's where it's what I can remember of it.
There you go.
Homeschool kids.
Boom.
Look like he was stealing signs.
He was like glancing at us.
I don't know what's going on.
Guys.
Something.
Wow, that's great.
No, that's great.
We'll give you points for commentary if you guys can give us your five best presidents.
Yeah.
Five best.
I mean, I'm going to have to go with Washington as obviously one of them.
I'm going to go as far as actually knowing the accomplishments of the.
I mean, John Adams, I think, too.
I'm going to have to go with Calvin Coolidge as one of the best.
Man, I don't have a high regard for a lot of presidents.
I'm realizing.
I got three.
Can you talk me off the other JFKs on my list?
Yeah.
Why is JFK on your list?
Among other reasons, he shot down Operation Northwoods, which was an attempt by the Joint Chiefs of Staff to militarily to bomb American cities and shoot Americans and kill them and blame it on the Cubans as a false flag to incite the American public to go to war in Cuba.
At the time, the polling did not show that Americans wanted to invade Cuba despite all the contention that was happening.
So literally, the Joint Chiefs of Staff came up with a plan where they would kill Americans, blame it on Cuba, try and get people to support going to war, and then invade Cuba.
JFK shot it down.
I like the standard for being a good president.
It's like not murder.
Don't murder the kids.
Yes, don't start a war.
Preventing the military from murdering people.
Well, which is that kind of leads you to believe that maybe this has happened multiple times in our history.
Like, you know, presidents have false flag things.
We're working on a book right now that I'll have out later this year for teenagers.
We have a whole like guidebook series of books for teens.
And this one is going to be called The Tuttle Twins Guide to True Conspiracies.
And every chapter is going to be something like Operation Northwoods saying, well, you know, Moon Landing did not make the cut.
That might be in volume two, right?
But no, these are all like, like Operation Northwoods, for example, there's declassified memos.
You can read exactly what they were proposing.
And so to your exact point, like you look at stuff, oh, yeah, they only did that back in the 60s.
Like, no, who'd be so deluded to think about that?
Just today, when we're recording this, they had the, what's the guy's name, the memo come out after the four-year investigation of the intelligence community trying to create a link between Trump and Russia, right?
And so you had all these intelligence operatives conspiring to try and weaponize the FBI and DOJ.
And so, I don't know, I think tons of stuff like that still happens, and we'd be naive to think that it doesn't.
So, anyways, JFK is on my list.
I assume most things I'm at this place now in my life where I assume most of the things I hear in the news are something like this.
Is that true for me?
It's too often, especially now the recency of how quickly things were told, no, can't be true, don't believe it, that kind of thing.
And all of a sudden, it's like, no, it's definitely true.
Right.
It's like two weeks.
I know.
That window is closing to where it's like, oh, man.
I just read the Babylon B prophecies and then I know what's going to be coming out of it.
It seems crazy, but give it a few weeks and then it'll be real.
Yeah, you guys and The Simpsons, right?
You've got your prophetic ones.
Yeah.
Good comedy, good comedy.
It's not even true.
It's true.
You know, The Simpsons used to write a joke and then 20 years later it would come true.
Yeah.
Like they had that famous one where it was like Disney owns Fox and then it came true like 15 or 20 years later.
Yeah.
And now it's like we write a joke.
It's just a week a week later.
Yeah.
So you guys give us your four best presidents.
Fifth is obviously Trump, so we don't need to go without saying.
It goes without saying.
Clearly drained the swamp.
So any plans for an episode where the Total Twins meet Ron Paul?
Ooh.
Voiced by Ron Paul.
I personally would love to do an episode with that.
We've done a little bit of reaching out and haven't heard anything back later.
Yeah.
So I totally would be open to it.
If he was down, that would be great.
I don't know if he would get it, like the jokes and the humor.
I don't know.
We could give him a small role.
I think Rand Paul, George Washington's.
We tried to interview him.
He's very funny.
We did interview Ron Paul.
We still interview him.
It was like dream of my life interviewing Ron Paul.
And it was great, but he doesn't get the jokes.
Like we were asking him where he buries his gold.
And he was just like, I don't know.
A little too serious.
I didn't know what to do with it.
Well, I didn't know what to do.
I don't have any gold.
You know, it's interesting.
We interviewed Rand Paul directly after interviewing you guys at Freedom Fest last year.
He was a good interview, wasn't he?
Yeah, he was very great.
He was right with us.
He was a sharp guy.
Sharp guy.
Yeah.
His wife's a sharp lady.
Yeah.
He does get the humor.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We were messing with him.
He was like, he was cool with it.
Ron.
He's a bit of a letdown after interviewing you guys, though.
Yeah, that's true.
I mean, like, he was no, yeah, that's true.
We can't all achieve greatness.
Shorter.
Big set of shoes to fill.
Exactly.
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Not actually.
So when will the Total Twins have an episode where they learn about the right to have a nuclear-powered generator in their garage to power their marijuana grow operation and defending the AR-15s?
Yeah, that's in July.
He's coming out.
Spot on.
How did you know?
You must be spying on our writing room and no one's talking about profits.
We have jokes all the time in the writer's room about when we're going to do our Second Amendment episode in a kid's show.
We're like, maybe we'll just table that one for a while.
We'll see.
If Connor can figure it out first, it'd be a metaphor.
It's a weird line to walk to try and push a principle or an idea that you think might not be totally, your audience might not be totally receptive to, but you want them to be, you know?
So, how do you like figure out the adjacent idea to where their comfort zone is and then push them a little bit, but have them receive it well?
Well, and then you're teaching some core principles, right?
Like personal liberty and the right to your property.
And that it does follow that you'd have the right to defend your property.
So, if you get people on board with that stuff, then Second Amendment kind of falls.
Or that your body is your own property.
So, if you want to ingest a certain plant, then who's the government to stop you?
But we're not going to say the Tuttle Twins in the pot shop.
Yeah, there's a way to those things.
It's just a question of like, how much do we do in a kid's show, right?
As opposed to like the critical thinking exercise of the arguments for and against are all great, fun.
It's just like, are those the battles we want to fight in a kid's?
Well, and I, there's also this idea where I can get away with a little bit more in the books than we can in the cartoon because the books we can go deeper into ideas, whereas the cartoon, we have to simplify and say, What are like the two or three concepts that we're trying to teach?
And then build out all the humor and you know, story around it.
And so, it's lighter on pushing ideas in the cartoon than it is in the books.
Yeah, we kind of have one main principle that we're trying to get across per episode, and then everything else into there is a support to it, both the story as well as the you know, sort of other bullet points within that that we're hitting.
But the yeah, the books are much much more of a deep dive into the education.
And you just do you just come up with a concept where you have you have a principle that you're trying to teach, and then you then you get your comedians in a room and you just kind of say, How do we do this?
Is that yeah, so it starts, it starts with Connor.
So, he's an executive producer on the show as well.
And we sit down and we say, Okay, here's some of the subjects that we want to hit in this season.
And we go through and identify the different principles, and then Connor helps kind of flush out the different ways that we can teach that, like different historical figures that we could visit, um, things that he knows from writing history books and other books about like the ways that we could go about approaching the subject.
And then, when we get that kind of all um concrete and down to like our bullet points, then we go into the writer's room with you know, the storytellers, comedians, and we say, if if they forget everything else, what is the one thing we want them to take away and kind of start from that point?
And then the story needs to flow out of that, meaning the historical figure that we go to, the you know, imaginary world or dimension that they fly off to to kind of apply the principle or the problem that they that the tuttle twins encounter in their own world needs to all kind of be born out of that one teaching that we're trying to get across.
And we usually try to distill it down to a principle that we can capture in a bumper sticker, um, something like inflation hurts a nation, you know, was one example.
And it's something that we can repeat several times throughout the episode.
So, um, some other ones are disagree doesn't mean enemy.
You know, we have an episode that's on how if you disagree with someone, that doesn't mean all of a sudden you're on team bad and I'm on team good.
That's right.
Um, I don't understand.
It's the George Washington.
That's the George Washington episode, right?
And then on the Bitcoin one that we just did, it was when money's easy to um easy to create, the society get when when when, yeah, when money is easy to create, society begins to break.
And um, doesn't rhyme as well.
Well, I know, and I did, I think I did it wrong comedians.
That's funny.
Um, but there's, I mean, there's, there's other ones like the only rights we're entitled to are the ones that don't force others to work for you.
And so, that's what we're trying to get to: is that B minus?
Yeah, I'm okay.
I'm just kidding.
That's a good, that's a good one.
Just go down the list, Kyle.
I liked the inflation one.
The inflation one was so inflation.
Yeah, it hurts a nation.
I'm like, that's right.
And disagree doesn't mean enemy.
I didn't like that one.
I discounted it because you just disagreed.
Yeah, the main thing is I don't understand it.
That's right.
That's right.
So, yeah, it all starts with what we're going to teach.
And then from there, the rest of the concepts for the episode flow out of that.
How many people in your writer's room?
It's usually four of us.
So it starts technically five because we start with the education side of it with Connor.
And then there's myself and then three other writers.
So I'll come in after they've done like a first draft and I'll review how they kind of synthesize the concept.
Like, oh, hey, we got to explain it a little bit differently or you didn't quite capture it here.
And then, you know, all the poop jokes I kind of laugh at and say, are we going to keep any of these?
Get rid of some of these.
Yeah.
And so it's kind of an iterative process on my side just to make sure that we're teaching the principles the right way because they can make a funny show with these comedians and just have a blast.
But the core proposition here is we're trying to teach the principles of a free society.
So we have kind of a few touch points along the way with each episode where we can make sure that the concepts are landing the right way and then go from there.
Yeah, Connor's a master at that.
He'll actually go through and we've kind of assembled the story and got the lesson in there and everything.
And then we'll go, okay, okay, Connor, did we do it right?
And he'll be like, well, this isn't actually portraying what it needs to here.
And this needs to be adjusted.
And it's just so fast and so smart the way he approaches that.
So Connor's kind of like Kyle.
So like, we'll write a sketch and Kyle will go through and be like, yeah, this doesn't land.
This doesn't land.
This doesn't land.
It's like the close stage that comes.
You guys are funny.
No, no, no.
So on the education side of that, 100% Connor is.
And I'm more of that Kyle on more of like the jokes.
Jokes that you're on the comedy set.
Well, and I also have, yeah, basically, if it's not working for me, it usually doesn't get through.
But there are times when I see it's clearly working for everybody else and I'll kind of let it slide through because it's not objectionable to be able to do it.
Absolutely not.
No.
No.
Now, your writer team, your writer's team is comedians.
Are they from like Studio C?
Are they from other things?
Like we've got our comedy.
Drybar Comedy.
Yeah, Studio C. They've written, I mean, we have a writer that's helped out on Ted Lasso.
We've got writers that are, you know, just, like I said, a lot of sketch comedy, a lot of stand-up.
I mean, Kellen Ershkin's one of our writers and he's Alex Elkin.
Yeah.
He plays Derek too, right?
Yeah.
So Alex is more just a voice.
Okay.
We haven't had him in the writer's room yet.
But yeah, we've actually kind of flirted with that idea a little bit because he submitted to the public.
You should keep flirting with Alex.
We like him.
Yes.
He's very funny.
Yeah, Alex is extremely funny.
He was in a sketch with us where we're all in drag.
It was one of my least.
There's a sketch with drag.
Can I be a part of it?
I'm in.
And I was like, it's my least favorite sketch.
Usually you have to coax people because I'm wearing a dress.
I hate it.
The Satan cape.
Yeah.
I'm perfectly fine with dressing of like the devil.
A woman.
Not a woman.
Not so much.
Yeah.
So Alex is amazing as a voice actor.
Like he's got so much range.
He can do so many different characters.
I think he's already been at least probably six different characters in the show.
And then he's also really good when we're in the recording session about improv.
Right.
That's a good busing our jokes.
You know, yeah, that's great.
It's a great value.
That's great.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Well, you guys are doing great work with Total Twins.
Everybody go check it out.
So what's the current status?
So they can fund season two now?
Is that what's going to fund season three?
Fun season three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's the ability within the angel app to pay it forward, which is great.
Anytime they buy any of the merch, like the graphic novels, t-shirts, plushy toys, that helps go towards funding season three.
And yeah, just like spread the word because usually people that are listening to this, they know there are people that want something like the Total Twins.
And now the Angel model, sometimes I'm not sure where it all lives.
So, can people watch season two now or when it's when it comes out?
Yeah, so we're releasing an episode a month right now.
And it comes out on the angel app and all that.
And it comes out on the angel app.
We have tuttle Tuesdays, which is the first Tuesday of each month.
We live stream it.
So then we've got a whole fun thing for the kids to watch.
Yeah, and it's available all for free.
All season one is available for free, and then the first three episodes are available for free right now on the angel app.
Oh, great.
Okay, awesome.
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