Allie Beth Stuckey | A Babylon Bee Interview With A Fundamentalist Christian Propagandist
Allie Beth Stuckey is in the house with The Babylon Bee to talk in this wide-ranging interview about being a culture war crusader and fundamentalist Christian propagandist, while also being really good at naming cats. They also discuss the appropriate attire for a Backstreet Boys concert, the essential items you must have if you are a Christian woman, and where the line is for Christians criticizing politicians. The Babylon Bee also tests Allie's principles by offering her Target gift cards. Hear more from Allie on Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey And be sure to check out her new book You're Not Enough and That's Okay
Welcome everyone to the Babylon Bee Interview Show.
We are joined today by a very frightening figure.
And we want to clarify from the outset that we're not trying to platform such a dangerous.
We don't necessarily endorse the views of this dangerous individual, but we wanted to just add some additional clarification for those who might be confused about some of her extremely troubling views.
So we have a clip from this is all taken from a reputable source.
This is from Media Matters.
It's more than reputable.
It's reputable and reputable.
Take a listen.
Ali Beth Stuckey has used her podcast to push her fundamentalist worldview, particularly focusing on enforcing traditional gender roles and family formation.
She said being a biological mother is the best thing she's done, other than being a follower of Christ and a wife to her husband.
Stuckey has advocated for children to be homeschooled, stating that religious parents have a responsibility to raise their children through a Christian lens.
Stuckey even cited a Bible verse to suggest that women should dress with humility and modesty.
Stuckey has said Christians should refuse to tell lies and love your neighbor.
Well, that's pretty bad.
How are we supposed to sit in the same room as this person?
It's true.
Thank you so much for the trigger warning beforehand.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hold on.
Hold on.
We're going to just have that plan.
That'll hopefully prevent anyone from enduring the trauma of listening to me speak about this.
I really hope so, personally.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, yeah, so we had Justin Horowitz as a Media Matters guy, and he said he watched hours of your anti-LGBTQ Christian fundamentalist show.
And he says that you hide your hatred and bigotry behind a glitzy Instagrammable aesthetic while weaponizing your faith to attack queer people.
Your thoughts.
My thoughts on that.
Well, my biggest gripe is that my aesthetic is not glitzy.
He also used the word glittery, and I'm not a glittery, glitzy gal.
It's actually very matte, if I do say so myself.
That's how I would describe it.
So that was the first bit of misinformation that bothered me.
The most egregious bit.
Yes, the most egregious bit, definitely.
But one positive thing I was thinking, I was like, okay, he watched hours and hours of my show.
Maybe he heard the gospel at some point.
Maybe Justin Horowitz is going to become a Christian, and there is a good and redeemable part of all of this, of him watching my very fundamentalist show.
Yeah, how do you get such a large fan base from Media Matters?
And I always wonder what percentage of the audience is just Media Matters.
What can we do to be noticed by Media Matters more?
Well, I think it's good having me on, having a Christian fundamentalist, anti-everything good person on this show.
That'll probably attract some attention.
I think they might have reporters assigned to certain people.
I know that they have certain reporters assigned to Fox and Friends or assigned to Tucker Carlton.
So it's kind of like, I don't know, a guardian angel, but whatever the opposite is of that, follow me around.
So maybe that will bring them here and say it.
And do you know who it is?
Could we get their number?
Well, maybe it's Justin Horowitz.
I don't know.
Justin is hers, apparently.
I mean, is there something we have to do?
Like, do I have to be racist?
Because I'll do it.
I'll do it like right now.
Right now.
Yeah.
I mean, you have to, well, you have to say Bible verse, as the scary guy said in the beginning.
And you have to repeat what Christians have said for thousands and thousands of years about gender and marriage.
If you're that radical, then not even just Christians, but just people.
Just people.
And still in the world today, actually, the vast majority of people.
Until five minutes ago, yeah.
Yeah.
So do that and I don't know.
I will think back to five minutes ago and think what everyone thought then.
And I'll say that out loud and maybe they'll finally notice this.
The Asian face of white supremacy.
That'll be you.
Oh man, that would be an honor.
Yeah.
An LA Times article on you.
That would be awesome.
Well, welcome back to the Babylon Bee podcast, Al.
You were our first guest back in 2019.
Sorry for that.
Do we really have to interview her again?
Because nothing's really changed since 2019.
That's true.
Life is pretty much exactly the same thing it was 30 years ago.
It didn't change at all.
No overreaching tyrannical governments, no worldwide pandemics.
So men are still men.
We could basically wrap this up right now, right?
Well, we wanted to open with a question that a lot of our audience has asked us to ask you, and that is, what would be the appropriate outfit to wear to a Backstreet Boys concert?
Okay, so this is tough.
There's a lot of things that you have to think about.
You're thinking about, okay, do you want them to look out into the audience as they typically do?
They look out into the audience and they're scanning the audience for who is my biggest fan.
That's what I hear that these pop stars do.
And so the question is, do you want them to see you and say, wow, that girl's a really big fan because she is wearing like a vintage Backstreet Boys shirt?
Girl or boy.
Yes, yes, yes.
Or do you want to, you know, look your cutest that you possibly can with a really cute outfit?
So they might look out there and say, wow, that, you know, that girl's really beautiful.
So that's really tough.
I ultimately, when I went to a Backstreet Boys concert a couple weeks ago for the first time fulfilling the dreams that I had as an eight-year-old, I went with the t-shirt that had their faces on them.
I'm sure they did notice me.
They didn't say anything because I don't think they wanted to make other people feel bad.
But I think they probably did notice me and said, that girl, that girl has been a fan for 20 years.
So I know they did notice you.
Yeah.
They told me.
Yeah.
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Actually, real story, but my sister-in-law was at the airport and a literal Backstreet Boy came up to her and said, Do we know each other?
No way.
Yeah, that's a short version of the story, but yeah, but it really happened.
Wow.
That's an incredible story.
I don't know what I would do if that happened to me.
And she was wearing a Backstreet Boy shirt?
No, she wasn't.
Oh.
It would have been better.
In my version, she was.
Yeah.
So is this literally the mindset like when young girls go to a concert, like they think like it's within the realm, there's a non-zero chance that they're going to see?
I mean, when you're eight years old, which I was when I was a big Backstreet Boy.
Like, I'm not saying now necessarily.
These do sound like recent things.
Not now.
But when I was eight years old, I was thinking, I mean, I used to listen to their black and blue album in the game room of our house.
And I used to literally cry thinking about the fact that I might not ever meet the Backstreet Boys.
That's like the worst thing that I could think of that could possibly happen to me.
And I was so sure that it would happen that like on the off chance that it didn't, that was just devastating to me.
Well, we have another question for you.
Who do you think would win in a speed speech competition between yourself and Ben Shapiro?
Oh, Ben Shapiro would definitely win.
He would definitely win.
I can't say that I would win.
I don't even think that I talk that quickly.
He talks way.
And you've interviewed him before, right?
I have.
You've exposed him for the white supremacist Nazi that he is.
Yes, I did do that.
And because the reason I knew that he was a white supremacist Nazi is because he doesn't like rap.
And so everyone who doesn't like rap, that's just kind of automatically places you in the racist camp.
So that wasn't, that was an easy one.
He also, he doesn't like Kim Kardashian.
And so I had to criticize him for that because, I mean, Kim Kardashian is a hero.
So yeah, there were lots of things I tried to expose there.
Well done.
I think you only think she speaks fast because you listen to her on like three times speed.
That's possible.
You're just trying to get through my podcast because you can get through it.
You're trying to get it over with.
Yeah.
Well, thanks at least for the download.
You're welcome.
I noticed that you're rocking the center part.
Is that have you always?
It's off-center, Kyle.
Oh, isn't it?
It's off-center, yeah.
I noticed that you're rocking the off-center part.
Yeah.
Explain.
Yeah.
So I don't know if you remember the rise of the word choogie.
Do you remember that?
That was like last year or the year before.
I think the New York Times even wrote an article on it.
So Generation Z. I'm obviously a millennial, born in 92, right smack dab in the middle of millennials.
But Generation Z, they're like driving the fashion trends as younger generations do.
And they decided that like certain, certain things, especially among millennial women, were chugging.
So like, I don't know if y'all can see like this fueled by Jesus and Coffee sign.
That's true.
They would have said that's chugging.
Side parts, chugy.
Now, I was not swayed by that at all.
I always said, I don't really care what Generation Z says.
I would never move my part.
You know, it was way over here.
But then I don't know if they got to me just subconsciously, but over time, I just started moving it over and over again.
I actually do think that there are people who listen to my podcast who actually feel betrayed by me moving my part from the side to right here.
But for now, it's here to stay.
I'm nodding like I have any idea what any of this means.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You can relate.
Yeah.
So what's your personal favorite?
It's Chugi.
Sorry.
Probably.
They would probably say that's Choogie.
I'm not sure what else, but yeah.
So what's your personal favorite Thomas Sowell book and why is it The Quest for Cosmic Justice?
Oh, really?
Have I ever talked about that?
How would you possibly know?
It's not like I bring it up every episode of my show.
Yes, Quest for Cosmic Justice.
That's well, discrimination and disparities.
It's not like they're like fun reads.
Sorry, Thomas Sowell.
I know he listened to this podcast and so he might be offended by that.
But they're just like, I mean, you're wearing your Thomas Sowell shirt.
You know, just like the mind tingle that happens when you're reading his book and you're like, oh my gosh, he busted all of the narratives that we're hearing today literally 30 years ago.
There's a book that he wrote in the 1980s called like something about, I forget the title, something about civil rights.
And he's literally civil rights rhetoric for reality.
Yes.
Wow.
Thomas Sowell, expert over here.
Yes.
So, I mean, he is just dismantling all of the narratives on the left that are still popular today about race and economics and all of that.
And so I just appreciate him so much.
Absolutely.
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Yes.
So, a few months ago, we shot a video for our YouTube channel that was called the Christian Women's Starter Kit.
And you identify as a Christian woman?
I identify as that, yes.
Both of them?
Yes.
So, as a self-identifying Christian woman, we were curious how many items from the starter kit you own.
So, the first one is a drapey cardigan.
Drapey cardigan.
I probably have one somewhere in my closet.
I don't know the last one.
But not a staple.
Yeah, not a staple.
Yeah.
How about an infinity scarf?
Do you have one of those?
Oh, well, I did.
I used to have like a whole collection.
We're talking like 2011, 2012.
Actually, you know what?
I probably still have some that I wear in the winter.
But yes, 2012 me was like this exact kind of Christian woman with the infinity scarves.
Felt hat, mid-calf height boots.
Um, mid-calf?
Is that right here?
That would be them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Middle of the mid-calc.
I mean, I definitely, I've got some fry boots, but they go up here.
I don't have a felt hat, and I don't think I ever have.
So I don't know if that means I'm left.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
Are we keeping track?
We need a counter on the screen here.
Leggings?
I own leggings.
Yes, I do.
I also debated Ben Shapiro about leggings.
He thinks women should not wear leggings as a chance.
Okay, yeah, gotcha.
The Christian Woman Starter Kit Baptist Edition does not come with leggings.
Yeah, that's comes with a jean skirt instead.
This is, what is this?
Is this Presbyterian, Methodist?
What are we going with?
Non-denominational.
Okay, got it.
Women's Study Bible.
I don't have a women's study Bible.
I've just got ESV study Bible.
Yeah.
Tragic.
Essential oils.
I do have a couple essential oils here.
What's the top pick?
Lavender and eucalyptus are probably my go-tos.
I've got some more, if I'm honest.
I mean, I've got tangerine.
I've got peppermint.
So, yeah, I'm really.
So you do all the combinations like you know these two.
No, I don't know anything like that.
And then I also kind of got sketched out when they started doing like, this is like a forgiveness combination or something like that.
Yeah, they have things like that.
Yeah.
Wow.
This is going to allow you to.
Racial equity blend.
There you go.
There's your next satire video.
Girl, Wash Your Face by Rachel Hollis.
Oh, my gosh.
No, of course I don't have that.
That's a great research purpose.
Untamed by Glennon Doyle.
Y'all are talking about my arch nemesis.
No, I do not own their book.
Fierce Free Fire by Jen Hatmeckar.
Oh, no.
I don't have that one either, unfortunately.
Tragic.
What about You're Not Enough and That's Okay by Allie Beth Stuckey.
Oh my gosh, that sounds so good.
That sounds like the opposite of those lame books.
Do you own it?
I own a few, yeah.
Yeah, I do.
Do you have a choogie hobby lobby sign about Coffee and Jesus?
Oh, man, I don't.
I probably have some other decorations that are chugging, but not Coffee and Jesus, yeah.
Okay, and are you part a member of any MLM?
No, I'm not, but I did grow up in the MLM world.
Did you?
Yeah.
MLM.
Family.
Yeah.
A little bit.
Okay.
Yeah.
Would you say she qualifies as a Christian woman according to this criteria?
It sounded like about half, a little less than half, maybe.
I wasn't keeping track.
She's half Christian.
You're a half Christian woman.
Half woman.
Half Christian.
Half woman.
You get to choose.
Anything that's possible.
Well, you sit in an interesting place because you're at the, you're similar to where the Babylon B is, and that we're kind of at this intersection of Christianity, politics, culture, humor.
How did you find yourself in this being a voice to this weird Venn diagram world?
Yes.
So I started, well, I graduated college 2014 and I started working in PR and social media and I lived in a college town, Athens, Georgia.
And in high school, I wanted to, I loved Megan Kelly and I loved Fox News.
I loved the news and I liked politics and culture, but things just weren't quite as hyper-political back then.
So it's not like I was super involved in politics.
But I realized after college, wow, I'm doing absolutely nothing to involve myself in media or head towards that direction.
So I didn't have any connections at all, but I decided, okay, I've got access to all of these different sorority chapters.
I was in a sorority.
I think I can relate to this group.
And so what if I just ask if I can go into these chapter meetings and talk to them about why they should vote in the primary election?
And so I created what was like a nonpartisan presentation about why politics matter and all of that.
That kind of grew into a blog talking about the same thing.
Then I started making videos.
It was non-it was not non-partisan at this point.
It was explicitly conservative.
And then in 2017, I was hired by the Blaze, long series of connections.
And then that just kind of evolved into what I do now.
Started my podcast in 2018.
And during that time, I started to kind of mix more theology and culture with my political commentary.
So there was a lot of speaking across the country, going on TV and talking about these things.
And then over the past few years, it's just kind of grown into what it is.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
And you're very vocal and have very strong opinions on all your social media platforms.
And you state like your opinions boldly, regardless of how they might rub people.
How thick of a skin do you have to have in order to face the potential backlash that your strong opinions might incur?
Yeah.
I feel like I'm very, well, I feel like I'm very gentle.
Some people probably think I'm too harsh.
And then other people, it's like, I would say the people who are just Christian commentators who don't talk about politics, they probably think I'm way too harsh.
They would say that my tone is too harsh or that I'm not empathetic enough or whatever it is.
But then you've got the political commentators who think that I'm just like the most, you know, the gentlest person ever.
And so I do try to strike the balance.
There are plenty of things that I want to say that I ask my husband, is this too mean?
Should I say this?
He typically says, no, it's not too mean.
Definitely say it.
And I a lot of times don't.
And so I try to have a filter and, you know, strike that balance of, you know, speaking the truth in love.
I know that it's cliche.
I tend to probably lean more on the side of truth than I do being gentle about it.
You do have to have a thick skin.
That doesn't mean that I don't care what anyone says ever, but it does kind of start to roll off you eventually.
You realize whose opinion matters, what opinion matters, what you should take to heart and maybe consider as this fair criticism and what you shouldn't.
Well, you tweeted last month.
The appropriate response when a leftist accuses you of being a dash phobe or dashist isn't, no, I'm not.
It's I don't care.
Yes.
So there's a little bit of that like, where is the criticism coming from?
You know?
Yeah.
Like at the Battle One, we had criticism coming from progressive Christians right from the beginning.
And we're like, oh, great, we're doing the right thing.
Yeah, exactly.
And I mean, these words just don't mean anything anymore.
Maybe if they were reserved for very explicit and specific instances of hate and bigotry, okay, you'd say, wow, am I really?
But when they throw it out so much for so many reasons that have nothing to do with any form of hate or bigotry, it just, it doesn't matter anymore.
The truth is what matters.
I mean, and ultimately, we feel that the truth is on our side.
It's just with such polarizing topics.
Like, do you ever find that there's a balance between speaking the truth in love, as you said, and trying to maintain your witness by, I don't know, being getting along with people, you know?
Yeah.
Well, so yes, I don't, I don't desire to not get along with people, of course.
Like, I do think about people in my church.
There are people in my church who don't know what I do.
There are probably, I mean, there are definitely people in my church who know what I do, but I never bring up politics in person.
I never bring up my job.
I don't bring up that kind of stuff because I don't want people to think that that's all I'm thinking about or that I have some like purity test in my head, that if they don't agree with me on certain things, I think that they're a bad Christian or even a bad conservative or something.
I'm not thinking about that in my personal life and I've worked really hard to kind of separate those things and forge those friendships in a very organic way.
So the people who know me know that I am very open to different views and discussions and things like that.
On, I mean, when I say open to different views, I'm not going to be mean to someone because they disagree with me, even if I'm very sure about the positions that I have.
But yeah, I don't care as much as I used to about offending people online.
I don't purposely do that.
I don't consider, I'm not a troll, of course.
I'm not purposely divisive.
But with so many people and especially so many Christians constantly caveating every true thing they say, I do think people are hungry for someone to just say what is real.
So speaking of getting along with people, we have a little game where we would like you to pick a progressive for each of these scenarios.
Okay.
Pick one progressive to help you survive on a remote island after your plane flying home to Texas crashes.
Okay, a progressive to help me on a remote island.
You guys have to like survive or maybe build a radio out of coconuts or whatever.
You can work with someone that you could work with to survive who would be a good progressive to reach your friends.
It's really tough.
Okay, can you ask me the other questions too?
And I'll think about all that.
Sure.
The second one is just to grab a coffee with.
Okay, so the grab a coffee one is a little bit easier because I've thought about this before.
I feel like if I could just talk, talk to Alexandria Casio-Cortez, if I could just sit her down and be like, girl, okay, we're basically the same age.
I feel like we could relate on some things.
Like, let's talk about what's really going on here.
Let's talk about some of your ideas.
I feel like we could probably get along in some ways.
She would not be the person I would want to be stuck on a deserted island with.
I can't even think about, I don't even know what kind of person that, I don't know.
Well, who would you say?
Oh, I just ask the questions.
I would grab a coffee with Barack Obama because he seems like he'd be fun to just hang out with.
Yeah, that's probably true.
I'm trying to think, like, who's a scrappy Democrat?
I don't know.
I wouldn't pick Bernie Sanders.
He wouldn't do any other work.
No, he's way too old.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I would probably pick someone in the culture rather than like a politician, like someone who's on the far left that's actually accomplished something in their lives.
I don't know, like an actor or a well, maybe if I picked.
Well, I guess actors.
Maybe if I picked Joe Biden.
Like Tom Cruise, he's probably a.
He's short.
Oh, oh, oh.
It doesn't have to be a politician.
It doesn't have to be a politician, right?
I'm just a progressive.
Someone is on an LL.
Okay.
So.
Like The Rock?
Is he left?
Do you think Chris Pratt is a progressive?
Just by being in LOA, you probably are.
Yeah, okay, well, then I feel like...
But I don't think I'm going to allow you to pick Chris Brown.
Of all people.
Because I wouldn't put him like.
Maybe like Matthew.
He's probably a little clausty.
He might be a progressive.
Yeah, you can pick McConaughey.
Oh, I can pick Matthew McConaughey.
Okay.
He's buff and utilitarian.
Yeah, I feel like any of these people, and he needs to be a famous person because then someone will come looking for us.
I asked my audience, would you rather be stuck on a deserted island with Bill Gates or your least favorite ex-boyfriend?
And a ton of people said Bill Gates because then people would come looking for us.
No one cares about my ex-boyfriend.
That's a good point.
And then the final one is a progressive that you would have to work with to enact real policy change in this country, LOL.
The question says LOL.
Okay, Brian, you like Kirsten Cinema.
Okay.
Yeah.
Easy.
It's easy.
Or Tulsi Gabbard, if she is even considered a progressive.
Not today.
Not today.
She's been excessively.
I should have picked her five years ago.
Yeah.
So you've made some wonderfully satirical pieces poking fun at both the left and the right.
And obviously at the B, we're no strangers to satire and poking the beast.
But at the same time, you know, there are biblical references where God tells us to respect our authority figures.
And like, how do you find the balance?
I mean, obviously, that's something that we think about regularly.
But where do we find the balance between criticizing ideas and criticizing people just because they're funny?
As an example, you had the recent Elizabeth Warren sketch, which was hilarious.
So chiefly, we'd like to powwow with you about how you can be so mean to this brave Indigenous woman of color just because she's not in your tribe.
We're all with all ideas.
It's a big tent here.
A big teep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
I wish I could think of more puns off the top of my head, but I think that's what I'm saying.
We got all of them.
We did all of them.
You had nothing to do.
We spent a few hours writing these ones out.
Yeah.
They would be way too obvious.
Like, how do I bring Wigwam into this?
That's not going to work.
So anyway, you know, I actually did think about this because we are called to respect the people who are in authority.
Is it possible to mock them and respect them at the same time?
Because just coming from like my personal perspective or just a practical perspective, I think that it can be a great benefit to society to mock the people who take themselves seriously, who are in power, because they are actually using power to oppress.
In this case, I was making a real point about the ridiculousness of Elizabeth Warren, saying that she is going to shut down these pregnancy sinners who are working so hard, so tirelessly for the vulnerable women that the left says that they care about and their children and all of the families involved.
So in my mind, it's actually like the most polite way that I can highlight the cruelty and the wickedness of what she did.
I mean, I don't think that I made fun of her as a person.
I mean, maybe I did a little bit, but I don't know.
I think that there is such, obviously you guys know this.
I don't have to say this to y'all, but there is such benefit to satirically making a point in a way that you can't do through literalism.
And I just think that that is beneficial to society.
I think it kind of liberates us from these super self-serious and self-righteous leaders who really are trying to obtain as much power and capital as possible at our expense.
I actually think it's a really nice and polite way to do that.
Now, obviously, I have to respect authority in the sense that I have to obey the law.
And in this country, really, the Constitution is our authority.
There's a reason that we call them public servants.
They're supposed to work for us.
It's really supposed to be a government by the people.
Really, we're supposed to be in charge, not Elizabeth Warren or the president or anyone.
And so there is that way to look at it too.
I don't know if that's like a word.
So actually, we are the authorities that God has placed over them.
Yes.
They must be.
And she's disrespecting me.
And yeah, that's probably not the only biblical command that Elizabeth Warren is involved.
And tone matters in humor.
Like her Elizabeth Warren character isn't going around like, oh, I'm an idiot.
You know, like your Elizabeth Warren character is like very, it's almost a loving satire of her and you're putting her in the scenario with the pregnancy.
I mean, but I'm curious what y'all think about that.
I know y'all are the ones asking the questions, but obviously you have the hilarious joke that works every time that AOC trips over shoelaces because she is very stupid.
So do you see that as like a disrespect of American leaders?
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No, it's very loving satire because we're saying that she's so stupid.
Yeah.
But it's also speaking the truth that she dies herself up there because she dies and she's dumb.
It beats verbally accosting her on the Capitol steps.
Okay.
I think.
Well, whatever, I don't know, theological interpretation this just was, I'm on board with it.
And we call it, since we are the authority, we call upon you, AOC, to submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to us as a human institution, whether as to a king, as to the one authority.
There you go.
1 Peter 2.13 off the top of my head.
I don't know what this question is, so I'm just going to read it.
What do you perceive to be a greater threat to society?
The vilification and societal ostracization.
Google didn't think that was the real word.
Vilification and societal ostracization of boys or the self-love movement and simultaneous contradiction.
Did you write this?
Simultaneous contradictory self-hate ideology of transgenderism that is prolific among girls.
Take your time.
I got it.
No, I totally have it.
Yeah, so self-hatred among boys and the self-love/slash self-hatred among girls that is manifesting itself in the gender stuff.
Well, I think that anything that targets masculinity is going to be more harmful than that which targets femininity.
Although I don't think that you can like extract those two things, they're going to be dependent on each other in every society.
And so, of course, you want healthy masculinity and healthy femininity.
But if we had healthy masculinity, you probably wouldn't have the denigration of femininity that we have.
So I do think it always starts there because there has been no society or civilization that has been created by women.
It's all been created and conquered and fought for and defended by men.
And so that seems like a very integral part to the survival of any civilization of any country.
I would think that it's more important that we get masculinity right.
It seems like everything else would flow from that.
Of course, as a woman, I see more closely kind of the and can feel more deeply what it would be like to be a girl growing up that's a tomboy and all of a sudden because you don't want to wear a dress, you're told that you're a boy.
That makes me really sad and I can understand the dangers of that.
But if I had to choose what the bigger threat is, any assault on masculinity, I would say, is more dangerous.
Got it.
So men are more oppressed.
Okay.
So a few years ago, I was actually really impressed.
I was listening to your program and you had addressed that one of your listeners had written in and basically criticized you for using rather colorful language on your program.
And instead of trying to defend yourself, you immediately said, you know what?
I'm taking this to heart.
And you've stuck to it ever since.
What was the basis of that conviction?
And yeah, what was the foundation of that conviction?
Can you say the words that she said?
No.
No, I can't say it.
But one of my first episodes, I think I used like the word like bad A or something like, or like, I don't even know.
I think I was being sarcastic about, but I did use it.
And I just remember a listener wrote me in and was, or wrote in and was like, you know, you don't have to do that.
It doesn't add anything.
And honestly, like as a follower of Christ, you should be above reproach.
She was like, I'm not saying that you're not a good Christian or anything like that, but you should consider your speech.
And one time I also cussed in a tweet a few years ago, and my brother, who I really respect, was like, you don't need to say that.
And I was like, I really don't.
I really don't.
It actually doesn't add anything to what I'm saying.
It's not above reproach.
It's not holy speech.
And so, I mean, there are a lot of other ways that you can have unholy speech rather than, you know, it's not just cuss words.
But for me, I realized that there really, I mean, there really is no reason for me to do it, especially as I got more moms that listen to my show, knowing that they have their teenagers listen, that they're even listening in the car when they're picking out their young kids from school.
Like, I don't want to, I don't want to push those people out.
And there are times, there are times that I really want to.
I really, really want to, especially when you're talking about particular people and seeing on society.
Except for swear words.
Yeah.
And so I just, you know, I decided not to.
It's not that I think that Christians who cuss, you know, aren't good Christians.
It's just a standard that I have that I have stuck to.
Well, I was really impressed.
And as the local prude at the Babylon B.
I appreciate that.
Thumbs up.
We're all, relatively speaking, we're all a little prudish.
Yeah.
But there are many, many words that I do not say I don't even believe are swear words, but I won't say them.
So in this day and age, major corporations often hate your guts because you believe in biblical truth or even just normal stuff that normal people thought five years ago.
What is the line that a company has to cross before you decide you can no longer hand them your money?
What store or product was the hardest for you to personally let go?
Allie Beth Stuggy.
Well, I still have a hard time with Amazon.
Okay.
Because, and I've gone through seasons of not buying from Amazon.
And then I do because it's just like, you know, you're, especially with kids, like you're in a jam.
You're like, oh, I need a new toothbrush or diapers or whatever it is.
It's right on my phone.
You can just do it.
It's so much easier than going out and about.
So that has been really hard for me.
I really go back and forth because they, yeah, they're awful.
I mean, they pay for abortions.
And so, but then I don't know if you are responsible for boycotting every single company that goes against your values.
I do think that you can pick and choose, or maybe I'm just a wild hypocrite and I shouldn't be shopping from Amazon.
I'm totally open to that option as well.
But I did decide that I wasn't going to shop from Target a few months ago.
That was really hard because Target is like an activity.
It's not just a place that you go for necessities.
It's like a whole thing that you do for fun.
But when they started selling chest binders for girls, I was like, that's just, for me, this is going to be the one that I give up.
And it's kind of like cussing.
Like when you do it, you think that you have to do it and that it's appropriate and that you could never give it up.
But now I've realized I really don't need Target.
I think it's been three months, which is by far the longest that I've gone without it.
Three-month chip.
Awesome.
Yes, yes.
So actually, if you want to reach under your chair really quickly, there's something adhering to the bottom of your chair.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Right there.
And we just wanted to test your commitment right now.
This is a $5 Target gift card that is yours to keep.
Oh, my gosh.
This is like a ceremony.
Or you can put it in the shredder.
Could I give it to someone?
No.
Because I couldn't even give it to a homeless person who was looking for a meal.
You want to genders this.
Yeah.
Wow.
Wow.
She did it.
That was really symbolic.
Does that feel good?
Yeah, it feels really good.
Okay.
Well, I just have a $20 gift card.
$20 gift to Target Target.
Oh, my gosh.
That's just a lot of money.
I just feel bad for giving that up.
And you can.
Yeah, but are you?
The question is: are you principled or are you not?
That's the real question.
Well, I am principled, but I don't know if everyone has to be as principled as me.
And so I feel bad about shredding this.
You don't have a choice.
I bet it's not either.
One of the other things probably got me like a $1 gift card.
You just wrote $20 on there.
It says $20 on their internet.
But it says $20.
Oh, this is the official Target.
It says $20.
Sharpies are binding.
I feel really bad, but it's not my money.
She did it.
And finally, we have a $100 gift card to Target.
Okay, well, here's the thing.
You can either keep it.
Well, now, you know, I'm starting to think through the ethics.
I'm starting to go to the ethics of this.
You could buy a lot of chest binders.
The question is, you should be asking yourself: do you like chest binders?
Okay.
The indoctrination of the trans ideology.
Okay, but question.
You guys have already spent the money.
You guys have already supported Target.
Well, I, by getting something from Target, would not be supporting Target because I wouldn't be spending any money.
What do we think about that?
But what if you spend over $100 and then you have to?
I would never.
I would only spend $99.
But what about tax?
You didn't think about the tax.
I would only spend $98.
She would leave, she would spend the $99 and leave the one.
Yes.
$100.
Well, I don't know because you guys have already spent it.
I wish I could.
Yeah.
No, I, hey.
Biblical conviction.
I will shred it.
I will shred it if that means that I don't want to, you know, make anyone like, I don't want to make anyone out there compromise.
So I will shred the $100 gift card, even though I think ethically I could probably get away.
No, no, no, I didn't use it.
You passed the test.
Wow.
That was really tough.
You passed the test.
Wow.
She's very committed.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, now that you have passed the test, we can continue the interview.
And how many cats do you have?
I don't have any cats.
You don't?
No, not anymore.
Brandon indicated that you are good at coming up with cat names.
I did have a Rachel McAdams, but that was my husband, to be fair.
He came up with that.
I love Rachel McAdams.
Well, you have to pretend to be good at naming cats because we made up a whole game about it.
Oh, okay.
Oh, my gosh.
You'll put me on the spot with this kind of thing.
Okay, I'll try.
Well, the hard part's over.
You shredded the Target cards.
Okay.
So my wife has a document of hundreds of cat names, literally hundreds of cat names, and these range from Stroop Waffle to Savage Peanut to Lackluster Intern.
Is my arm making you uncomfortable?
And sometimes I'm afraid that she expects us to go through all of these hundreds of names and ownership.
Savage intern?
Does that have to be lackluster intern?
Lackluster Savage.
Lackluster Intern is her name for a cat.
I like your wife.
She sounds really funny and cool.
Good.
I like her too.
Yeah, that's good.
So do you have a cat list name as well?
I don't have a list.
So I did have two cats and we ended up giving them to people that will love them.
But one was named Sweatpants.
And we were originally going to name him Cat Damon.
It just didn't stick.
And so I don't know how we came up with sweatpants either, but his name was Sweatpants.
So kind of like, I don't know, Lackluster Intern.
That's the same kind of vibe.
And the other one was Rachel McAdams.
We would call her Rachel.
And then we ended up thinking it's like kind of hilarious to have just very mediocre human names.
Or sorry, not mediocre, but just average human names for all Rachels I know.
Yeah, it's just funny because we would talk about Rachel and people were like, oh, is that your daughter?
No, it's not.
It's our cat.
That's great.
Well, we have a selection of cats for you to name.
So what would you name?
What would you name this cat?
He's like in a pant leg.
Very cool.
Probably Smoopy.
Smoop.
Smoopy.
You say Smoopy?
Yeah, with an M.
Oh, smokey.
What does that mean?
I don't know.
That's just the first thing that came to mind.
I feel like I could just like.
He has a gift.
That's acceptable.
I could just smoosh his little face and say, oh, smoopy.
Smoothie.
Yeah.
That's acceptable.
Yeah.
We'll allow it.
All right.
Here's another one.
This guy's got a little suspicious look.
He's sitting on a chair.
Oh, yeah.
A little side eye there, maybe.
I don't know.
I would say probably Luther.
Oh.
That's a good name for that.
Yeah.
Like DCR Luther.
What?
Never mind.
Forget it.
Forget it.
Yeah.
He just seems like really serious, and I've never met a silly Luther.
Oh.
Do you want to describe this one, Brandon?
I would describe this one personally as the best, softest cat in the world.
Is this your cat?
It is.
This is a black cat, you know, looking up, very cute looking, very fluffy.
Kayla.
Kayla.
Yeah.
What's the cat's actual name?
Fable.
Oh, it's a similar cadence to it.
Yeah, yeah.
It's two syllables.
She does have the gift.
We just knew.
She's got the shinin'.
This is a red, orangish cat that's like jumping.
Jumping up in the air.
Looks like he's trying to get a bird.
For the audio listeners.
I would probably go with Barb.
Kind of, I don't know.
Kind of.
It looks like Barb from Stranger Things.
You know?
It kind of does.
It kind of does.
Yeah, Barb, probably.
That's a great name for that cat, actually.
You are very good at this.
Okay.
Is this our last one?
This is a very fluffy, looks like a ball on an odd shape.
Oh, definitely.
I'm not sure this is real.
Percy.
Percy.
That's a good name for this.
Yeah.
And I think we have a maybe I could see it having a double name like Percy Q or like Percy James.
You have a double name as well.
Yeah, I have Alibeth.
And so I could see this being like Percy John, John Percy.
John Percy could be a great name for that.
Is Per a pun?
Is it Perr.
Oh, see, I didn't think of that.
We have one more.
This is one more.
What would you name this little guy?
He's cute.
He's got a little hat on, little fedora.
Little scar.
He's seen some action.
Is this from Cats the Movie?
Yes.
Because I have not seen that, so I don't know this cat's actual name.
I don't either.
But what would you name him?
Probably like Damon.
Damon.
Cat Damon.
Yeah, Cat Damon.
There you go.
Cat the second.
Yes.
Cat Damon II.
Wow, that's wonderful.
Hey, Travis, can you come in here now?
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Hello, Travis.
What is this?
All the interns.
They're all just Travis.
So I have five quotes from your book, You're Not Enough and That's Okay, and Rachel Hollis's book, Girl, Wash Your Face.
Yes.
So I'm going to read a quote, and all of you are going to guess which book it's from.
This is going to be really tough because I actually wrote my, I just kind of copy and pasted her book and onto my book.
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