This is The Babylon Bee Interview Show. In this episode, Kyle and Ethan speak with Seamus Coughlin, who is the man behind FreedomToons and also an animator, writer, director, editor, and uncanny Ben Shapiro impersonator. Today, Seamus produces entertaining animated content for a number of outlets, and a good deal of his work can be found on the FreedomToons YouTube channel and the Foundation for Economic Education series Common Sense Soapbox with Seamus Coughlin. They talk about arson being bad, punching the Pope, and being as libertarian as the Catholic church allows. This episode is brought to you by Faithful Counseling. Go to faithfulcounseling.com/babylonbee for 10% off your first month. Topics Discussed Introduction to FreedomToons: Ben Shapiro Thanksgiving Seamus does an excellent Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson impersonation Being as libertarian as the Roman Catholic church allows Roman Catholic teaching on mortal and venial sins (doing drugs, punching Pope) On not doing PopeToons and guarding ourselves from crossing the line The bizarre defense of arson How Seamus got into animation to begin with Being politically homeless Bernie Sanders giving the Establishment what they want Jordan Peterson tells us who would win between Donald Trump and a lobster Churchill wasn't antifascist enough Ethan recommends Jonah Goldberg's The Tyranny of Clichés The need for art in the right-of-center political sphere The creativity crunch that produced Right Wing Agitators Bill Watterson's Calvin & Hobbes Explicitly Christian art vs. implicit themes and bad Christian art Subscriber Portion On being a Russian bot YouTube's relationship with conservative creators Weird google search results Russia and China Abortion so nobody lives in poverty The Rubin Report PragerU is not a real university South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy Snopes attacking The Babylon Bee and the pros and cons of internet fact checkers The Ten Questions To watch or listen to the full podcast, become a subscriber at https://babylonbee.com/plans
I just have to say that I object strenuously to your use of the word hilarious.
Hard-hitting questions.
What do you think about feminism?
Do you like it?
Taking you to the cutting edge of truth.
Yeah, well, Last Jedi is one of the worst movies ever made, and it was very clear that Brian Johnson doesn't like Star Wars.
Kyle pulls no punches.
I want to ask how you're able to sleep at night.
Ethan brings bone-shattering common sense from the top rope.
If I may, how double dare you?
This is the Babylon B interview show.
Hey, everybody.
Kyle Mann here on the interview show.
Me too.
I'm Ethan.
I'm not Kyle.
This is the Babylon B interview show.
But who else is here?
Him3.
Seamus.
My name's Seamus.
Coglin.
Coglin, yes.
Not Coughlin.
Not Coughlin.
It is mispronounced.
It's not Seamus.
No, the worst I have gotten is Seamstress Copland, which is not how it's pronounced at all.
Seamstress, yeah.
Copland.
That's right.
Got it.
And this guy does the Freedom Festival in high school.
Yes, I do.
Free Freedom Tunes.
Yes, I'm the guy.
I love it.
Very blessed.
You probably recognize him.
He draws himself in there.
I draw myself way more attractive than I actually am because I'm a narcissist.
I thought it was the opposite.
When I saw it, he was like, oh, you draw these weird features in your face in the cartoon.
I appreciate that.
Maybe I just have dysmorphia or something.
Like, maybe I just think I'm uglier than I am.
But probably.
I think after the show, we'll do like a fans-only thing where I will get into some of my deep childhood issues just to entice the viewers.
Sounds good.
We're like following in your footsteps with the animation stuff, too.
So we feel like a knockoff freedom.
Yeah, you know, baby stuffs, I guess.
You know what I call that?
No, no, it's great, actually.
I'm happy to see other people sort of enter the animation sphere.
And if you guys ever need pointers or want help with any of that, just let me know because the team's sort of been expanding and we always want to take on new projects.
So any consulting work or if you wanted to outsource, that'd be pretty cool.
Yeah, we'll talk.
We'll talk.
Yeah, great, great.
So I guess the obvious question, well, okay, people don't all know about Freedom Tunes.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
Maybe.
No, definitely.
So first.
Are we going to show like a sample or anything?
Yeah, we should play the video.
Let's watch the Ben Shapiro, the famous Ben Shapiro Thanksgiving tune.
Can we put one on our video?
Yeah.
Can we give you permission?
Yes.
Okay, we now have permission.
Ben Shapiro, Thanksgiving.
Let's watch it.
Freedom tunes.
Do you talk fast always?
It's like you're born this way.
Everyone in my family talks this way.
Abby, thanks again.
Happy giving.
Thanksgiving.
Okay, folks.
Who made these cranberries?
Honestly, these are the worst cranberries I've ever tasted.
I made them, and it's actually extremely impolite for you to insult my cooking on Thanksgiving, okay, folks.
Our taste buds don't care about your feelings, okay?
Okay, gang.
Well, if you want to make your own cranberries, feel free, but you're not entitled to free food.
And the idea that you would complain over quality of service when you're receiving it for free is just ridiculous, okay?
Okay, can somebody please pass the mashed potatoes, folks?
Auntie, these are my mashed potatoes, okay?
I made them myself, and they're therefore the product of my own labor.
And the idea, and the idea, and the idea that you feel it's acceptable to put a gun to my head and force me not only to give you the mashed potatoes, but to actually have me pass them to you as well is absolutely asinine, okay?
Okay, well, that would be a solid argument if not for the fact that you're eating asparagus, which I made.
Okay, Ben, how could you seriously not pass the mashed potatoes after taking her asparagus?
Is it my fault she gave it away for free and lost all leverage?
I'm trying to teach my child how to compete and succeed within the free market, okay, folks?
You're a good guy, guy, folks.
I didn't realize I was surrounded by communists.
I have the mashed potatoes and asparagus because I make good decisions, okay, folks?
Honestly, Ben, you're the last person to get smart with me, considering you're the only one in the family to be born with an IQ lower than 300.
Okay, well, you know what, Auntie?
Believe it or not, some people consider an IQ of 215 to be relatively impressive.
All right, folks.
Sorry, I'm late, folks.
I had more important things to take care of.
I'm actually a doctor.
She's a doctor, folks.
His wife's a doctor.
She's a doctor.
My wife's a doctor.
Did you bring the turkey?
Gobble, gobble.
Socialism works.
Oh man, that was hilarious.
Okay, folks.
That's the funniest cartoon I've ever seen in my life, I reckon.
Honestly, like, if you don't understand that that is absolutely pure comedy, you're completely out of your mind.
Okay, that's so.
So, here's actually, here's why that's better comedy than anything you're going to see on like late night with Seth Meyers or on our cartoon president, okay?
Because you can actually tell that this is coming from a place of wanting to make people laugh and not trying to get an ideologically charged argument across.
Okay, folks.
It's like that is why that cartoon is funny.
I actually consider that to be probably like the second best or third best freedom tunes, possibly of all time.
And that's that's not that's saying quite a lot, okay, gang.
Even if I could do the voice, you have to think that fast, which I'm not good at to talk that fast.
Okay, folks, like, I can kind of do it.
You just like, so I guess throw a question my way, and I'll try to do it like the best Ben Shapiro rant I possibly can.
Um, is communism good?
Okay, so actually, the thing about communism is it's perfectly good because we have democratized all of our countries across the world, and it's time to democratize the workplace.
Because the thing is, bosses are actually like miniature monarchs, and they're able to fire you based on whether or not they agree with your performance or even arbitrary factors because you allow them to do whatever they want.
And that's actually quite tyrannical.
So, part of why we need to transition to what I would call like an anarcho-communist or syndicalist system is because we need unions to be perfectly in charge of the workplace and they need to be run by the workers so that the capitalist class does not subsist on the excess labor of the proletariat.
Because that's actually bad news there, folks.
We actually don't want people to have their wages stolen from them by capitalist employers, okay, gang.
Have you ever thought about raising ferrets, Ben Shapiro?
Here's the thing about ferrets: the idea, the idea that I would ever raise ferrets is absolutely insane.
So, first of all, if you've ever actually been around a ferret, they look like snake cats.
They're very just long and kind of disgusting and furry, and I don't actually know what to make of them.
So, they can be very uncomfortable as creatures.
I try to spend as much time away from them as possible.
It's one of the things that was really important to me when searching for real estate was making sure there are no ferrets nearby.
It's probably a deal breaker for me if there are any in the area.
Wow, we're gonna do this the whole show.
Thank you.
Honestly, we could.
I mean, it doesn't just have to be Ben Shapiro.
We can do I'm not that interesting, but like the people I do impressions of are kind of interesting.
Throw some of those at me.
Yeah, that's what I get on interviews.
They're like, You're so funny, the writing, it's so great.
I'm like, And they're like, What about you?
Well, I'm kind of just a normal guy.
Exactly.
Like, there's a reason I'm behind the scenes here, folks.
So, uh, how'd you?
I mean, freedom tunes.
What is this?
This is libertarian propaganda.
Yeah, I've definitely shifted a bit over the past couple of years.
I used to be like a die-in-the-wool libertarian, and then as I've sort of learned more about my Catholic faith and realized that there are certain incompatibilities between Catholic teaching and like a hard-line libertarian stance, I become more conservative.
Yeah, there are numbers.
So, I think that like with respect to the Catholic conception of rights, as opposed to the libertarian conception of rights, a Catholic would say that there are, in certain circumstances, there are evils that the state can permit, but that doesn't necessarily make those things rights.
And the die-in-the-wool libertarian position is like, as long as I'm not hurting anybody, I have a right to do this thing.
And that's like directly opposed to Catholic teaching.
So, as a Catholic, I no longer accept that, though, I think it is better for things to be solved outside of the state.
I think also when the state is involved with something, it needs to be done by the most local possible structure of authority.
So, you know, local governments, then state governments, and then federal government.
But with respect to the federal government, I'm pretty extremely libertarian.
I think they should just be out of as much as possible.
What's the Catholic position on smoking or doing DMT?
Like, doing DMT.
Yeah, so the Catholic position would definitely be that those are mortally sinful or grave matter.
So, I'm not sure if you're familiar with the theology behind mortal sin.
It's some kind of heresy.
How dare you?
So, yeah, so there's venial and mortal.
And I can't go chapter and verse, but there is a verse in scripture which mentions sin that leads unto death.
So, what we draw from that is there is sin which leads unto death, and then necessarily sin, which does not lead unto death, things which would damage your relationship with God, but not necessarily forfeit your salvation entirely.
So, there are certain venial sins.
I mean, there are many venial sins.
It's basically if you have venial, menial.
Well, if you've broken the Ten Commandments, and venial actually comes from a word which means more easily forgiven.
A mortal sin would be something which violates the Ten Commandments in a grave way and which is done with full knowledge and consent.
And if you commit mortal sin, you forfeit your salvation until you are reconciled to God through the sacrament of reconciliation.
So punching the pope.
Yeah, well, it could depend on the context.
Which pope?
It depends on the pope, probably.
Well, it depends.
So you should not punch the pope, but I suppose if you are in, for example, like if you're mentally ill and can't fully consent to the action, then it would not be mortally sinful.
This is not me encouraging anyone to be physically violent against anyone, let alone my pope.
He has like a murder horn on his face.
Yeah.
But yeah, yeah.
So I would say any kind of physical violence would probably be mortally sinful if not at all.
If I punched you right now, if I wasn't attacking you, but I'm not a theologian, so I try to be careful about how deep into the discussions I get on these things.
What I do know is that the catechism says illicit drugs are prohibited, and I believe it's grave matter because God gives us our free will, and it's the one thing we have which allows us to be able to choose him.
And to compromise that is to sort of throw that back in his face.
What about pot?
What about pot?
There's some debate on this.
I've heard that it is also mortally sinful based on the catechism.
It doesn't mention weed explicitly.
It just sort of mentions illicit drugs.
I don't remember the actual exact phraseology.
But I assume weed falls into that category.
Now, obviously, with any drug, if it is prescribed medicinally and there's good reason to believe that it could be a helpful treatment or cure, then you can discern that with prudence.
Hydroxychloroquine.
Yeah.
So the church position on hydroxychloroquine.
There is none as far as I'm aware of.
But also, again, I try to be careful.
I am no theologian.
Yeah, you don't have Catholic tunes.
You should do Pope Tunes.
So that's the thing.
I would love to do.
Well, no, this is actually something I've been asked about.
Like, why don't you do more cartoons on church politics?
And for a time, I was interested in that.
You like to have a job?
No, well, it's really not just that.
I don't trust myself to not move into sacrilegious territory if I'm trying to make jokes about things related to religion.
And it's not because I want to move into sacrilegious territory.
I just know that sometimes I might make a joke about something that's a little over the line and then I don't know if I should take it out or leave it in.
And I sort of battle with that scrupulosity.
So it's difficult to cover religious topics in a way that's respectful from my perspective.
And I also find that with freedom tunes, I can sort of inject my entire worldview, which is based in many ways in my Catholic perspective, into things without having to explicitly discuss theology or Catholic teaching.
I have created some Christian educational cartoons in the past that I'm actually speaking with some people at Christian Networks about producing more because I love doing that.
But that stuff's almost all like straightforward educational explainers with some jokes thrown in, whereas Freedom Tunes is just this like crazy, over-the-top, really zany, sometimes nonsensical humor.
You do anything I don't think would translate well to like communicating a religious message.
You do any Bible character impressions?
I've never heard any of them.
Moses had a speech.
I've never heard Moses speak.
Oh, that's true.
You could do a funny speech.
I've never heard any of their actual voices.
Oh, you're in the Red Sea.
So far, I sound crazy.
Yeah, I suppose we don't actually know what the speech impediment was.
Yeah, I don't know.
We got to tell you that.
But yeah, basically.
I feel that strangers too far from your original question because I don't think I gave you a full answer.
I suppose what is libertarianism and going everywhere?
No, that's not bad.
The DMT is really taking a space.
Am I on Joe Rogan right now?
I thought that we were just going to have a conversation.
We've appropriated DMT questioning.
Yeah, but I think so.
It started as that.
You're losing all your libertarian credit.
No, I know they're all gone.
Well, and that's the thing.
I mean, I have my beliefs, and I'm very sympathetic to the libertarian position on many issues.
I mean, I still believe that we need to pull out of all the wars that were involved with overseas.
I still believe that the federal government should stay out of as many issues as possible.
I still believe that the Federal Reserve is a travesty and needs to be not only audited, but I would prefer abolished.
I think we need a more honest standard for our currency.
Mortal sin.
Yeah, exactly.
Burning the Fed would be more.
Yeah, I'm curious.
I think.
I think burning a building got a lot of people.
You get arsenal out first.
What about peaceful protests?
That's the thing.
I think arson is probably a sin as long as you're not with BLM.
I mean, if you are, then it's like it's obvious.
It's mostly peaceful.
Isn't it strange, too, how arson has kind of become this thing that we're supposed to accept?
Like, arson is a serious crime.
People can die.
It's extremely serious.
But it's like, oh, they just lit some stuff on fire.
That happened in one of those buildings, right?
They burned the building and they found out later there was somebody in there.
Yeah.
They found a body.
Isn't that funny that a person would be inside of a building?
They just got insurance.
You keep hearing that.
They got insurance.
Who cares?
And I'm so glad that insurance was invented so that we can just destroy anyone's property for any reason.
Walked around.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Grand Theft Auto.
Yeah, with those two lawyers that went and burned out the cop car.
And then all the media coverage was like, oh, they just, you know, they just got caught up in this and now their lives are ruined.
Yeah, they just.
Yeah, walking along, and the next thing they knew, they were throwing them all up cocktails like anybody does on a regular day.
And why does it feel like that was two years ago?
You know what I mean?
Like it was so quickly.
It was about three hours ago, but it already feels happened that long ago.
Yeah.
Like these poor kids, they just lit a cop car on fire.
Like, we all do stupid stuff when we're young.
It was a van, too.
There's parts of it.
You wouldn't know if there was somebody in there.
That's part of the reason it's so bad.
That is really horrible.
Well, and also, too, with any kind of arson, that could spread and kill other people.
Like, even if they knew nobody was in that vehicle, that would still be a recklessly dangerous thing to do.
I think that, oh, I had a thought and then I lost it.
My train of thought was derailed.
You lit the Molotov.
I know.
You lit the Molotov.
Yeah.
Fair enough.
Yeah, did you see the video of the guy who drops the Molotov on himself and he catches fire?
Who knew?
I saw the one where they threw it at their own Antifa guy.
Accidentally.
Yeah, they were trying to throw it at the cops and another rioter.
I was like, it's horrible because that, yeah, that's horrible.
Well, and it's, it's so depressing because it was the insurance thing.
You're talking about insurance.
And I'm actually working on a video right now with the Foundation for Economic Education on the economic effects of rioting.
And what people don't understand is even if, like, even if the insurance does cover it, which is a big if.
First of all, like, massive corporations like Target might have a policy which can cover your building being burned down and then cleaning all the debris and building another one.
But for a lot of companies and for a lot of small businesses, there's one I was reading about in particular where they were not even able to fully recover the costs that they spent cleaning up the debris from their store after it had been burned down.
So they went into debt just cleaning the property up without ever getting a chance to open their business again.
And also.
And not to mention all the they're not selling anything the whole time.
Are they going to make up all the costs of like how much the business would have been making?
There's so many expenses involved.
Well, yeah, exactly.
And also if insurance costs increase because you live in an area where people regularly torch buildings or have even torched buildings just at one point, I think that's enough to raise the risk enough such that your policy is going to become more expensive and then you might make less of a profit.
And in fact, you might not make any profit at all because profit margins can be really small for small businesses.
When did you accept Ron Paul into your heart?
Oh, that's a good question.
So probably 2012.
I love.
So, yeah.
And Ron Paul.
Did you have to renounce him when you were doing it?
So that's the thing.
I don't.
So I'm actually not sure how to handle drugs policy-wise.
I believe the war on drugs has been a total failure.
I absolutely would not continue the war on drugs at the federal level.
I think with states, I think it should be left up to the states as I would say most things should be, as long as it's not like a direct matter of life or death.
Or there's not some like, I suppose maybe there's some other grave evil somebody could bring to my attention or attention.
But with Ron Paul, I still, it's still hard for me to find something that I would like disagree with Ron Paul on.
So even though I've moved away, like with respect to how I view our rights philosophically, and there are a number of issues where I definitely am not libertarian anymore, I think when I look at most of the, like, like I would vote for him for president 10 out of 10 times, you know, I haven't like completely turned against this.
So gotcha.
Do you do a Ron Paul impersonation?
I could try.
I kind of have like a Ron Paul Rand Paul.
He's like, he kind of talks like this.
He's like, well, how is the government doing all these things?
And he's kind of like this fun, zany old man.
Sounds like Bill Clinton to me.
Yeah, Bill Clinton is more like, well, yeah.
Just raspy old men.
But yeah, Ron Paul is hard.
There was just this fantastic energy he had.
And it was insane that he's this old.
I don't know how old he was when he was running, maybe in his 80s.
Yeah, he's crazy.
No, he was like, he was like younger than Biden is when Biden's running now.
Well, he, yeah, I mean, which is insane.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Biden hasn't exactly aged gracefully, especially with respect to his cognitive health, though I'm not the first to point that out.
He was 77 in 2012.
Yeah, so he's like, he's this guy in his late 70s, and he's just, he's getting so many young people really invested in the message of liberty.
And I'm actually, I can't take credit for this thought.
I believe it was Dave Smith who pointed this out.
But when you look at like a Bernie rally and how excited Bernie has gotten young people, they'll say things like, well, healthcare should be free or college should be free.
And even though I don't disagree with their proposed solutions for that, and I don't believe that those things are a right that you are entitled to have the state pay for, it's kind of really straightforward.
That's an easy thing to sell somebody on.
But to sell somebody on the idea that like we should not have the Federal Reserve or that our monetary policy should be based in some kind of commodity standard is not something that's really easy to get.
He doesn't make as many good slogans.
And yet Ron Paul was able to do it.
And in part, it was because he was such a thoroughly honest person who genuinely believed in everything he claimed to espouse.
There was no BS with him.
There was no public and private position.
And so I can't really boil it down to that specifically.
There's this kind of X factor I can't explain with him.
But yeah, I mean, Ron Paul was really fantastic.
And it's just, it's a shame that he's too old to run for anything anymore, that he's not interested in running for anything anymore.
Did you go from like neocon to libertarian, leaning more conservative?
Yeah, so I would say, I mean, I was in high school and this like stoner in Spanish class was always talking about Ron Paul.
And that's how I learned about him.
And I was like, I don't like, I was like, I don't need to hear about this guy.
I'm sure this is like, like, this is probably liberal nonsense.
And then I actually heard Ron Paul speak, and I was like, oh, my goodness.
Like, everything this man is saying makes perfect sense.
And I think after, you know, a couple of years, again, as I began to learn more about my faith and also just encounter other issues that I found personally with like the sort of hardline libertarian orthodoxy, I moved more towards maybe like a traditionally Catholic conservative position.
But the thing about the Catholic faith is that it's not as if there's one set political position everyone has to hold.
Like there are a number of non-negotiables.
So for example, you are not considered a practicing Catholic if you support abortion or legalized abortion because of the six precepts of the church.
I actually said there are five five precepts of the church in a video I did about this, but traditionally there were six and the sixth was relating to marriage.
But that's an entirely different discussion.
I'm just trying to correct an old video I did for anyone who's seen it.
I'm glad we could provide you.
I'm glad.
So like, I want to let me publicly apologize.
No, for not being trad enough.
But no, so one of the precepts.
No, I'm sorry.
There's six precepts of the church.
And then there are, oh my gosh, I'm totally getting this.
I totally spaced for a second.
Give me one moment to recollect myself.
It's okay.
We're going to send this video to the Pope.
Yeah.
We're going to let him know.
Yeah.
So you're like, this, this, look at this heretic.
Unbelievable, Seamus.
I slept like two hours last night, so forgive me.
But no, in order to be considered a practicing Catholic, one of the prerequisites is that you need to give full assent to Catholic teaching.
How long did it take me to say that?
How much did I stumble to get those words out?
That wasn't that complicated.
I'm sorry.
I like people that talk a lot because I'm not good at talking a lot.
Yeah, talk as much as you want.
We don't have to do anything.
We're on.
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Well, basically, yes, you have to give full assent to Catholic teaching in order to be considered a practicing Catholic.
And Catholic teaching says things, for example, like, again, abortion is murder.
It needs to be treated as murder by civil authorities.
So there are non-negotiables.
But overall, a Catholic can hold some diverse range of opinions on multiple issues.
Like there is not one specific economic system that the church says a Catholic has to believe in, right?
There is not one specific policy prescription for every issue that a Catholic has to believe in.
So I don't mean to make it sound like all of my political views are Catholic views and that everyone has to agree with me if they want to be a good Catholic.
But I have just moved towards what I consider to be a more like conservative Catholic position on a lot of issues.
And part of what that involves for me is a heavy emphasis on the principle of subsidiarity, which basically states that that which can be handled by the most local possible authority is required to be handled by the most local possible authority.
So I still hold the view that we need to get the federal government out of most things.
And the only time anything should fall to a higher authority is if there is literally no other way to accomplish the goal you're trying to accomplish using like the smaller structure.
A very Chestertonian view.
GK Chesterton.
I was going to say, a Chesterton fan.
Yeah, yeah, you know.
Maybe do GK Chestertunes.
Oh my goodness.
So I'm actually big market for that.
Oh, yeah.
Dude, my subscriber base would skyrocket.
If I just renamed my channel to Chestertunes right now, dude.
No.
So that's kind of what we did is we just turned our podcast into GK Chesterton discussion.
We basically got the owner to just fund us to talk about G.K. Chesterton.
Honestly, that's the first time.
And we're just writing him up in about every episode.
Well, no, this is really embarrassing because I should be very familiar with Chesterton's work, given my views, but I haven't even, I haven't even cracked a book.
It has I've read some quotes here and there.
It's very embarrassing.
I'm going to go into our Chesterton group.
And I was told several times this week that I need to read more Chesterton.
So I'll take this as a signal.
Another one.
Yeah.
So you got, you found some success on YouTube with Freedom Tunes.
You could have just filmed yourself like playing with toys.
That's what I thought about.
So, that was actually the original plan for the channel.
Is I was like, there's three directions I can go in with this.
Like, I can either do a Minecraft channel, I can do Let's Plays, or I can play with toys and do unboxings.
Hey, Spider-Man!
Yeah, hey, Ben Shapiro playing.
Ben Shapiro absolutely plays Minecraft.
But after thinking about it, I was like, you know what?
I'd rather do work 60 hours a week to make less money than that.
And so that's how I decided to do animation.
That's a good choice.
No, I started.
I think I started to teach myself to animate when I was like 12, and it's just a medium that I've always loved.
And when I graduated high school, I started a little small business in animation production.
And I was doing like trying to do little freelance gigs here and there and landed a couple.
But I realized that there was just this massively underserved conservative market.
And I've always been a conservative person.
You know, I mentioned I sort of went from like more of a traditional neoconservative position to a libertarian position.
And so you went from bomb Iran to don't bomb Iran to don't bomb Iran, but also don't do drugs.
Yes, yes, exactly.
Sorry, continue.
No, I would say that's the path.
Well, and this is where it gets kind of complicated.
Like, even as a libertarian, I would not have said or would say, because this is the thing is, I'm almost politically homeless.
I'm not exactly where I fall in.
And I still have heavy libertarian sympathies.
But regardless of my beliefs on the legality of drugs, I would never say that you should do them.
But point is, I started teaching myself to animate when I was young, tried to start the small business when I was 18, or did start a small business, was doing some freelance work.
And then I realized there's just this massively underserved marketplace.
And so I thought, well, why don't I just start producing content that promotes messages, which I value?
And I started doing that and it started to spread.
And I found some success early on, and the channel sort of steadily grew.
And then once I got out of just strictly educational stuff and more into like really zany satirical stuff, that's when it sort of took off.
And early on, we had some zany satirical stuff, but I think the scripts were just way more like wordy and preachy at that time, which I think is very common for younger writers, especially when you're dealing with anything political.
And then I think it just was fun to do impressions of people.
And I thought, maybe I'll do it every once in a while.
But it's just something that like, I don't, I don't think I rely on it too much.
We're not constantly doing these videos where I'll do like an impression of you know Jordan Peterson or Ben Shapiro.
We've got a handful of them and I like to release a new one every now and again just because the audience enjoys it.
But I've also like enjoyed starting to do impressions of like mainstream political figures like Joe Biden and Donald Trump and those are really fun.
We were trying to do Biden the other day and we just sounded like a bunch of old prospectors.
That's the thing.
I don't know.
Biden is one of these.
Biden is one of these guys where I don't know if I actually get his voice right with respect to the actual like tone of it, but it's you just have to say nonsense and you sound you just have to talk.
Well, hey, Jack, and you go over and you put all the pool filter in your tick tocks.
You just, where'd it go, Jack?
It just has to be like an incoherent rambling, like sort of as an old man.
And that's basically Joe Biden.
That's what we were doing.
Yeah, we're on the right track.
All right, there we go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
200 million people died while you were doing that impression.
Wait, what?
Yeah, it's true.
That's what Biden said.
Oh, that's right.
What was he talking about?
I didn't actually.
I think he was trying to say that we're going to hit 200,000 COVID deaths.
But he said in his speech, 200 million Americans have died.
Maybe by the time I finish the speech.
Dude, he had something big planned.
And we talked about it.
He presses a button.
200 million are about 20.
It's like, is that a threat?
Is that a threat, Joe Biden?
Maybe we're going to die.
That's hysterical.
Yeah.
It's so sad.
I mean, in some ways, it's a gift that he was nominated.
But on the other hand, it's like they had so many choices.
Yeah, what was there?
I have no clue.
It's just a weird establishment thing.
And then Bernie Sanders literally just bent over and said, please take this from me.
Like, I don't want to be the nominee.
He let them walk all over him.
And it's interesting to see sort of the difference between him and Trump.
Like, they're both very grassroots.
But Trump is just so much more aggressive.
And you could say too aggressive for his own good.
And a lot of people try to critique Trump and his strategy, but I'm like, it seems to be working for him.
And I think we'll really see if it's working.
I was hoping we would really see if it was working for him in 2020 because in 2016, it was like, well, did Trump win or did Hillary just lose?
We're not actually sure.
Did the American people really like him?
Or was it just that they were terrified of her?
And I was thinking maybe in 2020, we'll actually sort of learn.
And the economy was doing really well.
I mean, he was performing decently as a president, hadn't started any new wars, which is actually a miracle.
And I'm not saying that's a miracle with respect to him or that I anticipated he would start wars, but just the fact that like a sitting U.S. president in the past 40 years would not start a new war is really amazing.
It's not American.
Yes, it is.
That's exactly how I feel.
It's not American.
And there was this.
Do ladies just throw themselves at you.
It's unbelievable.
They're like, talk like George Bush to me, please.
I got a film here.
Can you do your Jordan Peterson, please?
Well, it's like if you're going to ask me to channel Jordan Peterson right now when I'm in the middle of a sentence trying to explain how Donald Trump is going to win the election and what that says about the American people, it's kind of derailing because it's like, I've thought about this a lot.
And like, what is Donald Trump?
It's like, he's a father.
He's a father figure.
It's like, what do dads do?
It's like, well, they lead.
That sounds about right.
Like, they take care of you.
It's like, has Donald Trump taken care of us?
What does your dad do when you have the cold?
He takes care of you.
Is Donald Trump taking care of us through COVID?
Has he manifested that?
It's like, well, we'll find out when people go to the polls.
I guess we'll learn if the collective unconscious has decided that Donald Trump is worthy of being the next president.
Who would win, Donald Trump or a lobster?
Oh, that's a good question.
It's like, oh, you're asking Jordan Peterson.
Yeah, I don't know why.
I don't care which championship.
That is a serious question.
You shouldn't care what I think about America.
It's like, man, it's like, that's a tough question because both of them will react similarly to Serotonian.
And both of them are very invested in their position on the dominance hierarchy.
It's like, if you were to take, if you were to take, if you were to take 100 lobsters and you were to take the most aggressive lobster of those 100 lobsters and do that 100 more times until you have the most aggressive possible lobster and you put him in a room with Donald Trump, it's like, that'd be something to behold right there.
not good it's like that would be it's not man that's something you don't want to contend with bucko That's right there.
It's like, unbelievable.
It's just like, it brings me to tears.
He sounds almost like Kyle.
It's like.
Yeah, like a little Kermity.
It's kind of like the same voice.
It's just like a Canadian.
It's like you're just like a Canadian Kermit who gets like a little, like a little more emotional and is far more intelligent than a Jim Henson character.
Yeah, Jordan Peterson's fantastic.
He's one that's fun to rip on.
And Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro were both very cool to me when I made fun of them.
Like they've tweeted the videos out and shared them.
So there's no hurt feelings that I'm aware of.
Nice.
Maybe I'll meet them and it'll be different.
They'll just like pull me aside and cuss me up.
But for now, things seem to be going decently.
But Antifa hasn't reached out.
Yeah, they're not fans.
No, yeah, Antifa shared my videos.
Oh, really?
They're like, it's important to laugh at yourself sometimes, guys.
Oh, my God.
No, what?
First of all, Antifa is even real.
Yeah, Bob Antifa, the founder of Antifa.
Yeah, the CEO.
Yeah, what is it that they say Antifa's not real?
Because it's not like centralized.
If it's centralized, that means you can ever criticize it also.
Yeah.
Antifa doesn't exist.
I don't think I've ever made fun of Antif.
I don't think I've ever been anything but supportive because it literally just means anti-fascist.
Yeah.
So if you criticize it, you're going to learn that.
You are literally fascist.
That's how it works.
Right.
Yeah.
It's funny because I remember when the BLM protests were starting, which again feels like years ago.
It's just months.
Very strange.
They went after a statue of Churchill.
And I forget what their grievance with him was.
It was like, oh, isn't that interesting that just fighting Nazis doesn't make you a good guy?
Like you have a problem with Churchill, even though he fought Nazis.
Oh, guys.
Like, even though he was anti-fascist, isn't that interesting that you could still find a problem with something he did at some point in his life?
One of my favorite articles that Frank Fleming wrote was Man Who's One of Our Writers.
Yeah, one of our writers.
Man Who is on the right side of history still ends up in hell?
Oh, dude, that's hysterical.
But no, it's true.
It's like, that's such a freaky term to the right side of history.
It's so Orwellian.
I hate it.
It's just like the fact that people throw that around as if it means anything.
Like that is literally just the same as saying I am right.
Like I am correct.
Okay, can you prove that?
Can you make an argument for that?
Like, I'm on the right side of history.
It drives me crazy.
The assumption is that we all believe our beliefs are on the right side of history.
Yeah.
Or we wouldn't believe them.
Yeah, exactly.
Can you imagine like, man, I wish I didn't pick the wrong side of history.
Like, what am I doing?
It is funny because Ben Shapiro titled his book, The He titled his book, The Right Side of History, to parody that phrase.
And then people took a clip of him criticizing the phrase, The Right Side of History.
And they're like, look at Bench Fum.
Owned.
Named his book.
Yeah, totally owned him with facts and logic.
It's pretty funny.
Yeah.
Honestly, he was.
Totally flattened.
I highly recommend.
It's a lesser known book by Jonah Goldberg, but just his first chapter in The Tyranny of Clichés, he takes on all these clichés in that book, and he nails that one really well in that book.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't, I'll have to check that out.
Maybe I'm not familiar with it.
So you've got 350,000 subscribers or something.
What is it?
450.
450 now.
This is old data.
450,000 subscribers.
Can we have like that?
Yeah, yeah.
Quote me a price, man.
I don't know.
Okay.
I'm sure there's quite a lot of overlap between our fans, to be honest.
When I get my cartoons more going, we could do like team-ups or something.
Yeah, that could be cool.
It's a little crossovers.
Yeah, something like that.
Which just means us getting your followers.
Yeah.
Stealing.
Wait, hold on a second.
It means me getting your money, actually.
No.
Sad.
Yeah, I think.
We don't have any money.
I'm just unbelievably blessed to have the platform that I have.
And it took quite a while to build up, but so many people work at their project for so many years and don't see the kind of success that I've seen.
So I recognize it all comes from God and that I have to maintain a sense of gratitude.
And it's funny, like whenever a critic will knock what I'm doing or say, like, this is like, you don't deserve your followers or fans or whatever it is.
You're overrated.
It's like, no, like, I agree that I don't deserve them.
Like, I definitely don't deserve like a lot of people.
I feel the same way.
It's like, this is literally from God.
Like, this is a gift that I have.
I am so grateful.
And I recognize the blessing there.
And I just, yeah, I love you.
Yeah, this thing snowballed, dude.
You hit 100,000 subscribers in 2018.
Yeah.
You launched in 2012, so you should go seven years to build up to 100,000.
And then a year later, you had 350,000.
And then a year later, you have 450,000.
That's what it wouldn't.
Jordan Peter would.
Well, it's like that's the freedom distribution, man.
Like, once you start accumulating, it's like there's a verse in the Bible that says, like, to he who much is given, more will be given.
It's like, that's, it's like, yeah, that's right.
Like, we see that, man.
It all started accumulating.
Actually, so in 2012, the channel was not Freedom Tunes.
It was just like a little channel I would upload my animations to that I would like make with my friends in high school.
And then I think in 2014 is when I started uploading political content.
And then I don't think it was until like 2017 or maybe 2015 or 2016 that I actually changed the name of the channel to Freedom Tunes.
You ever feel like pigeonholed, or do you just like making cartoons like that?
Have you ever wanted to just like a cat and mouse cartoon and you're like, oh, it's got to have like an American flag in it or something?
Yeah, exactly.
I do feel that sometimes.
At the same time, like, again, I try to recognize that I'm very blessed to be able to do this.
And most of my interest is in political matters right now.
So I don't feel stifled in any way.
Like, I would probably be talking about this stuff anyway.
And had I decided to pursue a more traditional career in the industry and just attempted to work for some studio, I would have been pigeonholed in the exact opposite direction.
Totally.
Yeah.
Like, A, I would be doing grunt work.
B, I would never be able to discuss my politics.
And to me, that's really important.
And I think that even though a lot of it is like really silly and we're just sort of trying to make a joke, we are getting a message across.
And it's a message that I consider to be important.
It's one that I could just never have gotten across unless I chose explicitly to talk about politics.
Because the reality is, when you have right of center views or even just right of left views, because you can be centrist and encounter this, you are only allowed to express your political views once you have committed yourself to becoming an explicitly political figure.
Like if you are a left-wing content creator, you can throw out some banal left-wing opinion that every other brand is tweeting out.
And you're never going to be pigeonholed.
You're never going to be expected to talk about politics all the time.
But when you're right-leaning, you're going to get canceled from so many other venues that you just have to be prepared for politics to become your main thing.
And I was fine with that from the get-go because I've always loved politics and I've always loved making cartoons and I've always loved writing jokes.
And the fact that I can combine all of those things is really perfect for me.
Yeah, it's clearly your like your gift.
I mean, just it all comes together.
Thank you.
Just your as I'm meeting you here.
I appreciate that.
But it's clear the comedy, like the comedy from your videos comes because it's funny first.
I mean, oh no, your gags.
I love how you work in.
I don't know how you write, but there's layers that you add.
You add these visual gags that have nothing to do with the talking.
Yes.
I was watching and going, I got to start doing that.
Yeah.
Like you have the all the, I think it's like all the pictures on the wall.
Ben Shapiro.
That actually started as an animation glitch.
It was like an error.
And I was like, oh, I'm leaving that in for sure.
Like, those need to play.
But yeah, it definitely happens where I'll come up with the script.
And also, like at this point, because we have expanded and like Freedom Tunes isn't the only thing I'm doing anymore.
So I sort of have a small team of freelancers and helpers who will contribute to the animation and suggest ideas.
And so I'll come up with an idea or a friend will come up with an idea and we'll sort of discuss it and figure out the best way to go about approaching it and making it really funny.
And then it can go one of two ways.
Some videos in most of the videos we've done recently have been made the week that they've been released.
And some of them have been made like a day before they released or two days, which is extremely strenuous, but it is possible every now and again.
And usually with that, you will try to get the script together really quickly, just record the audio.
We won't have time for storyboards.
We'll just sort of do really rough thumbnails and move to final animation immediately.
And we'll be okay, like with things looking a little sloppy, because they usually do.
We make one of these a week.
And usually as I'm drawing, I'll just think of something really stupid or funny to throw in.
And I'm like, oh, why don't I do that?
And so originally, there was a video we did a couple of weeks ago called what left wing, I think it was called right-wing agitators or something, like what left-wingers believe about the riots.
And we can, I suppose, roll the clip for the audience here so I don't have to describe it.
Let's watch this video.
Let's watch this video together
Yeah, it was pretty good.
It was a pretty good video.
Yeah, you got to act cool.
Yeah.
I animated that with this hand while I animated a different cartoon.
I was just doing it.
It was like, wasn't it?
They did all the voices right here.
No big deal.
That is actually one of the few cartoons that does not have any speaking.
I think that's my only cartoon.
There was not a word is said.
Yeah, I knew that because we just watched it.
Because we just watched it.
And so he knows that.
But when I was working on that one, I think the original idea was just that the guy sort of like goes in the voting booth and votes for Trump.
And then he walks out of the voting booth.
And then he sees that everyone is all these antifa people are secret right-wingers.
And that was the punchline.
But then as I was drawing that, we were really crunched for time.
Like I had to release this the next day.
And I was like, oh, but what if he's like smashing the ballot and then he like shoves it in because there was a broken mailbox drawn in the back.
I was like, oh, he should like shove it in the mailbox.
And then he should run with the mailbox and like throw it through the White House window, which was way too much.
But then I was like, no, but I definitely want to do it.
And so then we just threw that in there.
And I think it made the video a lot better.
And it was very last minute.
So a lot of the gags will just come from me sitting there having this sort of like ADHD moment of some ridiculous idea popping into my head and then going like, hey, I have to go with that.
Like that's really funny.
Yeah, I have the philosophy of Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes, where he says that he can't turn creativity on like a faucet.
He's got to be in the right mood, which is last minute panic.
Yes, exactly.
I see you're a Calvinist.
It's just damn.
I did.
Yeah, Calvin and Hobbes is fantastic.
That was such a good comment.
Masterpiece.
Yeah.
And the fact that he bowed out before it got stale.
10 years and I'm out.
Yeah, it's not like Garfield, where it's just like 40 years of this.
And I get it.
He likes lasagna.
You know what I mean?
Mondays.
Am I right?
Mondays.
Oh, my goodness.
Today's Monday.
What a horrible day.
Gonna get a piece of it.
Look at me.
Hold on.
I am trashing Garfield, and it is so much more successful than anything I've done.
There are motion pictures.
I'm like, I'm making YouTube cartoons, and I'm like, dude, the guy that makes Garfield is an idiot.
No, he has something good going for him.
I'm just saying I respect the artistic integrity of Bill Watterson.
Watterson or Watson?
Watterson.
Watterson.
Okay, I was right the first time.
Yeah, I wish he would embrace like, because in his books, he's complaining about the format and how restrictive the Sunday paper, the boxes.
If he would just do like a graphic novel or just like a full book of full color, his art's so beautiful.
I would love to see him do something like that.
I agree.
I think he actually has the most beautiful cartoon artwork that I've ever seen.
And it's so masterful.
And if he wanted, this is the perfect era for it.
He could just release that stuff online.
You don't have to go through the traditional gatekeepers.
They're going to tell you what format it has to be.
And you just kind of bring it whatever you want.
Right, which is what turned him off the whole industry is he didn't like that he had the deadline and like he wanted to go outside the frames and do all this crazy stuff and he was stuck in here and now he could and he refused he refused to let them merchandise yeah no merchandising no motivation Yeah, which would have been an insane amount of money for him.
It's insane to think of.
Good for him, I guess.
I can be bothered just by anybody listening.
Yeah, exactly.
If you guys, if you want to buy a Freedom Tunes t-shirt, we do sell them.
So check those out.
But no, I guess there is something to be said for being in the position that he was in, where he is making a steady living, where he doesn't have to go out there and hustle and sell merch.
So he's like, you know what?
I'm not going to do it.
It's just, I like making the comics.
That's going to be my thing.
I think there's a beauty to that.
I was going to ask why you thought Christians or maybe Catholics, except Catholics, are better at it.
Why Christians tend to be so bad at art and entertainment, which we ask a lot of creatives.
But what's interesting is that you're a guy who's doing stuff that wouldn't be considered Christian art, right?
No, I don't think so.
I mean, I do some Christian art, but not on Freedom Tunes.
Right.
But what you're doing is, I mean, you're a Catholic guy who's creating art and you're creating something good that you're putting out into the world.
I appreciate that.
And it's not something that is the cheesy, like, you know, Christian thing with an altar call at the end.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm just wondering if that's a better way for us to engage with culture is putting out stuff that's good and not just, you know, explicitly Christian, like a Christian movie or Christian cartoon or whatever.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I think it's perfectly fine and reasonable to have Christian movies and Christian cartoons.
And yeah, I'm sure you would agree.
But there's a lot of value to just creating something from a Christian moral framework that can entertain people.
I mean, look, anytime you write something on your own, it's going to come from your perspective.
So you don't have to worry about forcing it in there.
It's like figure out what story would be good for you to tell, what speaks to your values, what's interesting to you, what's funny, whatever you're trying to produce, just produce the best version of that for yourself.
Make something that you would want to watch.
And if you do that, you're not going to have to worry about putting really heavy-handed messages in there.
And that's something I think I struggled with early on.
The cartoons were so wordy, and that's decreased.
And when we still do some wordy ones because there are educational topics I like to cover that can't necessarily just be done with like silly visual gags.
And anything with Ben Shapiro is going to be like, like, 10,000 words.
Yeah, exactly.
Or Jordan Peterson.
But I have found that sometimes the best way to get a message, not sometimes, in almost every case, the best way to get your message across is to just try to focus on making it entertaining.
And your worldview is going to shine through that if you're really being honest yourself and like making creative choices that you're picking not because you think this will get you a lot of views or because you think that this will help sell a perspective, but just because you think it's good and like that's what you're going to make.
I think that that's what Christian filmmakers have to focus on.
And also honing the craft too, because a lot of this stuff does look really, really amateurish.
Like there is, there's a lot of Christian stuff and not intentionally amateurish, you know?
Like I've mentioned, some of the stuff that we do, it has to be sloppy because we're doing one of these every single week.
But man, you'll watch Christian film.
But like, but like, so things like timing and a sense of motion, like there are certain things that you can't sacrifice if you want jokes to land, for example.
And yeah, when it comes to like so much Christian comedy, you don't get that.
And also, when it comes to so much Christian film, it's like either the editing is slow or the shots are clunky, the lighting is weird.
Like it all looks low budget.
And it's not just that the writing is bad.
It's that they, it's like they don't put the effort in, they don't put the effort into everything else that they should.
And part of me fears that that's because they kind of know they don't have to.
Because, excuse me, there is a large market.
Excuse me again.
There's a large market for Christian content.
And they know that they can monopolize the space by making films which are subpart, but which parents will gravitate towards and say, I can show this to my kid and I don't have to worry about them seeing a sex scene in the middle of it or hearing language that I don't want them using.
Whereas We know based on some classic Hollywood films before things became as explicit, you absolutely can tell a good, compelling, entertaining story without having to cater to the lowest common denominator and throw nudity in and throw bad language in.
But it's just not done anymore.
And I think part of the reason it isn't done is because the people creating it not only don't see anything wrong with it, they actually think it's good.
I think they actually think it's a moral good to promote sexual liberation, for example, or like any other number of values which we as Christians view as abhorrent.
And the question is, how do we combat this?
And I think to give the short answer is like, just make something good.
As long as you're honest to yourself, your worldview will come through it.
Because they don't sit down when they're writing a film and think, how can I turn somebody's children into liberals by writing this?
Like, I don't think that's what's in the back of their mind.
I think there's some of that for some films.
Like, you can tell certain projects are really preachy, like the newsroom.
I'm not sure if you ever saw that or West Wing.
Like, there are some textbook examples of really explicitly political shows where you can tell they're just trying to get their view across.
But even then, even then, like they still manage to make that entertainment.
Even West Wing has good characters.
Exactly.
Exactly.
So even when they're being obnoxious and heavy-handed, they're still pretty entertaining.
But most of the time, what they'll do is they'll just make a film and they'll have the characters behave in ways that they want you to perceive as normal.
And if you see enough of those films, eventually you will.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, now we're at the coming to the close of our interview here.
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I always love him.
He advertises the Raycons and then he has the B-roll shots of him looking all cool like with his Raycon.
Well, he does look very cool.
Yeah.
It's true.
This is Objective Thacklex.
A very cool guy.
Okay.
And then the idea.
Okay, folks.
What are some more I can do before, or maybe I'll do more impressions?
Yeah, I'll do more in this.
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What?
And we're going to talk about some cool stuff.
And yeah, yeah.
Anytime you upset any celebrities or any controversies you've been in, we want spicy snakes.
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This is literally when I tell people how I really feel because everything I was just saying now for the fucking show, that was a show.
I'll show you the real stuff.
That was the mask on, Seamus.
You'll tell, like, you'll bury your soul, and then as Jordan Peterson, you will psychoanalyze yourself.
I actually do do that.
In the mirror, in the bathroom, we'll get into it, but the reason I do impressions is because I needed imaginary friends growing up because it was things were hard.
But that's one.
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And then I made another video of Ben Shapiro farting.
So it was a win for free speech.
It was, you know, we really won this time around because if you want liberal political commentary, you just turn on the television.
You can get that anywhere in the mainstream media.
So people go to YouTube because they want to hear outsider perspectives on things.
Oh, so I searched Straightaway Married Couple into the suggested term was Nazi.
Yeah, honestly, I, dude, I deleted Snapchat.
It's so horrible.
I feel like nothing good is going to come from that.
I'm a huge TikTok fan.
They call me TikTok Coglin, man.
I'm all up.
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