Kira Davis talks White Guilt, JK Rowling, and COVID Christianity
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Welcome, everybody, to the Babylon B Interview Show.
I'm Kyle Mann.
I'm Ethan Nicole.
As you know, if you've watched the show a couple of times.
Yeah, we say that every time.
And here's Kira Davis.
Hi.
It's Kira.
The interviewee.
If you haven't seen Kira yet, where have you been?
Now you have.
What's your problem, really?
Yeah.
Now your life is complete.
You can end it and know that you've done everything that there is to do.
You've seen me.
Yeah.
I don't know where you go from here.
It's all down.
You go to every other Kira episode.
So we have two shows.
So we decided since we have Kira here, we're going to have her on both of them.
Both.
Why not?
Yeah.
Because what the heck?
I assume they're both going to be very similar in the sense that we're just going to be talking to Kira, but anybody I know who likes Kira can't get enough.
Yeah.
So the first thing we were wondering here in this hard-tuning interview is, do you have any stories about something weird that happened at like Home Depot or something?
Oh, it's funny you ask.
Your husband involved.
It's funny that you ask.
I actually, something recently happened to my husband at a Home Depot.
Oh, that's crazy.
Yeah.
We ask all our guests that.
Yeah, it's not so weird.
Okay, so everybody who's listening to this might not be able to see me.
I'm black.
My husband's black.
Our family's black.
Obviously, that's typically how it works.
And just simple genetics.
Yeah.
I have no control over it.
I married a black man.
I'm a black woman.
And we ended up having two black kids.
Crazy.
Crazy.
But that's how it works.
As everybody probably already knows, we're in tense times.
Race is a big issue.
And my husband and I live in suburban Orange County.
So you do the math on what that looks like.
Black plus white equals blight.
That's the math.
She told us to do the math.
I was trying to do the math.
Black plus orange count.
Equals.
I don't know.
You stick out like a star.
Blounty.
So my husband was at Home Depot the other evening, and he comes home and he says, I was looking at plants, and this lady, this white lady, was standing next to me.
And I could feel her staring at me.
And you know how you can tell out of the corner of your eyes, or you just start to feel uncomfortable.
And he was like, I thought maybe she thought that she knew me or whatever.
And so I was moving around and she'd kind of move with me.
And she kept staring at me.
And so finally I was like, do I know you?
And she said, I just wanted to say I'm sorry.
Oh my gosh.
My husband, who she hadn't run into you or something before this or accidentally pushed you.
This is a stranger.
This is a strange white lady.
I'm sorry.
Sitting next to a strange black man.
I hate your car outside.
My husband was like, he is not really into all of this angst.
And my husband's a very like average guy.
Go to work, come home, support your family.
And the rage, the raging, and the justice, that's me.
That's my beat.
My husband's beat is like, I'm just a family man.
So he was like, she said, I just want you to know I'm sorry.
And he said, for what?
And she said, well, I just, I hope that you feel welcome in our community.
And I'm so glad you're here.
And I just want to tell you, thank you.
And my husband was like, okay, you're welcome.
And he was like, thanks a lot.
He came home and he was like, I didn't know what to do.
It was the most awkward thing.
And then she had told him, which makes it even worse, I've basically been going up to every black person I see and apologizing.
So white people, if you're wondering what you can be doing to be a part of this solution, don't single us out and come up to us at Home Depot and apologize or thank us for anything.
Unless you know us and, you know, maybe you hit our car, apologize for that.
Yeah.
Just apologize for those kinds of things.
It was so weird.
But like, I've never felt out of place in Orange County.
And in this last few weeks, I feel like everyone's staring at us all the time.
It's so weird.
It's so weird that it's social justice that is making us feel more like we stick out.
Are there people like I feel like it's probably happening on both sides to some extent?
I mean, I don't like, we went to the park the other day and it was, sorry, I totally interrupted Kyle.
We went to the park the other day and I think we were the only white family there.
It was like fully, it was mostly Mexican and black.
But, you know, with everything on the news, just like, like, what are they thinking about us?
There's this, this, like, we're not one of the bad ones.
We're nice.
Like, you almost do want to walk up to everyone and be like, hey, we're cool, right?
We're cool.
We're nice.
No, don't.
Yeah, don't do that.
Don't do that.
It's weird.
Just be.
Just be.
Like a guy, a weird guy offered my child donuts and he was a black guy.
And I felt like if I said no, I'd be racist.
So I let them have donuts from the weird guy.
But if he was white.
Full of poison.
Yeah.
I was like, got him there poisoned because he looked like he might not be.
I don't know if he might have been homeless.
I couldn't tell.
But yeah, it worked out.
They're fine.
Is that a racist story?
I wouldn't trust a white homeless guy with donuts either.
You shouldn't trust any homeless person with donuts.
And you probably should have just said no, but I'm glad that the story was.
Well, the one thing about it is that they were sealed.
Oh, well, that.
So he's like, they're sealed, man.
See?
Well, when I was a kid, when I was a kid, maybe when you guys were kids too, it didn't matter if they were sealed because remember at Halloween time and they would tell you, like, you just stick a needle through the thing.
Yeah, you just inject it.
Yeah.
I was doing that.
Where's this mad science lab?
Inject the mad amphetamine into the title.
I'm just going to be able to go in a popcorn bowl in all my 45 years.
What are you saying?
What are you saying?
Sorry.
No, no, no, no.
And I want to get onto this Halloween candy thing.
Okay.
It's a good topic.
Because it's strange to me.
Like serial killers and stuff, they like to, like, they have some psychotic drive to do this, right?
But it's like to do it and then just be like, some kids somewhere.
It's got to be a lot of fun.
Like, you don't see the thought of what's happening right now.
They don't see it.
They just think about it.
It's weird to me.
Yeah.
It's kind of like, okay, like recently, I saw that somebody like put a note on a piece of cheese in a grocery store and it said, I hope you're having a good day and like you can do this or whatever.
They just put a random note to a stranger.
They're never going to know.
So it's just the opposite of that.
Yeah.
So that's when you probably want to like know that this good thing happened somewhere, but they don't need to see the results.
But serial killers are the opposite of that.
Yeah.
And they don't want that out of murder.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They just like that they're spreading murder.
It's pay it forward.
It's just a murder.
It's chill it forward.
It's just the idea of it that is satisfactory.
The idea that some kid is dying a horrible death because of the poison in the popcorn bomb.
What are the guys that hide razor blades inside the food?
Yeah, same thing.
It's like, yeah, someone similar soldering iron and my parents had to, my mom had to check on candy.
Did your mom check candy?
I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know.
I mean, oh, no, I don't check candy.
Like, good luck, kids.
You're, you'll, you'll be fine, I'm sure.
Just that'd be a one in a million to get the razor blade.
Yeah.
You less than that, even though.
Do we have to release this in October now?
No, this is Halloween.
The Halloween special.
Halloween special.
Halloween.
This is the Halloween special.
Do you guys celebrate Halloween?
Yeah.
Absolutely not.
Of course we do.
Free candy.
Yeah.
I grew up poor.
You gotta have to, anything free, you gotta take it.
Sure.
That makes sense.
Yeah, our son's four, and the dawning on him of what's happening from one to two to three to four.
Look in their eyes.
Wait, we're just walking around the streets.
Yeah.
It's the sign, the Seinfeld bit.
Yeah.
Everyone that we know is just giving away candy.
I can wear that.
I'll wear that.
Yep.
So are there any like social justice black people that would actually like someone to come up to them and be like, I'm sorry?
Would they?
Yeah, if you're like really far left, would you be like that same thing that happened to your husband in the Home Depot?
Is there some way if he was like on the far left?
Would he be like, yes, bow before me.
I have no idea.
I honestly, I honestly have no idea because I think I can predict people these days, but everyone's always surprising me all the time.
But there may be people out there who are like, who would get a kick out of it, but they would still talk about that person later.
Like we're all totally fun.
They're going to be like, they're familiar with that.
We're all making fun of white people being so guilty these days.
And I actually was, this is going to sound even hilarious in the context of this conversation, but my podcast, Just Listen to Yourself with Kiera Davis, I did an episode on George Floyd and racial reconciliation, and it got a lot of attention.
And a group of ladies from my neighborhood, stay-at-home moms, have a podcast group, like podcast club.
Instead of book club, it's podcast club.
Wait, wait, so they listen to them.
They don't have a podcast.
They don't record their own podcast.
No, they all talk about the podcast.
Instead of reading a book and talking about it, that's fantastic.
I've never heard of that before.
Yeah, I've never had it.
That's way easier.
That's what they well.
They're like, we're all moms of little kids.
We don't have a lot of time to read.
If anyone out there wants to start a Babylon V podcast club, I'll send them the Babylon Blue.
We'll send you exclusive content or something.
But so my friend from Bible Study Group is in this group and she said, we listen to your podcast.
Can you like come talk to us about racism or whatever?
And so I did.
It was me and a bunch of white ladies.
But they were really open and honest.
Like they were really eager to, so as cheesy as it felt, they were very eager to listen.
And so we had a really great, open and honest conversation.
But one of the things that came up was like, they were like, we would like some practical things.
And so I told my that story about my husband at Home Depot had literally happened moments before that I got there.
So I said, well, let me tell you this.
Don't be this person.
But I said, the other thing is I know.
My lady's like, oh, that was me.
Yeah.
Awkward.
She's slowly hiding her Home Depot bag that she has with her.
She's just bought the giant orange bucket.
Well, I was like, the other thing that you need to know is that we're making fun of you when you do that.
And also, I think this goes, this isn't just like for black people.
This is for anybody.
I think everybody respects someone who feels confident in who they are, which is a lot, which is funny enough, one of the reasons I think so many black people like Trump.
Like you would never understand, you would never think that as many black people like Trump as they do.
And I know it's a constant source of surprise for a lot of people, but to me, this is me talking.
What I see is a guy who is unapologetic for who he is.
Good or bad, weird or sane.
Like he's totally who he is.
He doesn't ever apologize.
He doesn't ever pander.
He's not talking down to you as a black person.
If he says something awkward, it's just like that's because he's just talking how he normally talks.
It's not changing how he talks to suit your race.
And I think a lot of us feel that way.
Like, I see it all the time.
We can have conflicts, but if you know who you are and you're confident in who you are, and you don't feel like you have things to apologize for just for breathing, just for existing, even when we disagree, I think there is a measure of respect that comes with that.
So I think in some ways, we all have to figure out how to be who we are, to really have these discussions in a way that doesn't make us feel awkward or rejected.
Or, you know, you go into that park, like maybe it takes a little more confidence in who you are as a dad, as a Christian, as a as an American, as a man of faith.
And then you can walk into those situations and not feel like you have to do a white hell.
I did one month.
I did a month in Jiu-Jitsu.
You did a free month.
I started thinking about it.
I'm like, I got to go for the waist, the waist to get through all the control is just in case.
You never know.
Well, I think we're all better off if we're a little more confident in who we are.
But that comes with age.
True.
Comes with age.
I agree.
Yep.
Confidence is good.
I think if people come up and apologize, you should really play it up.
Yeah.
First, turn your phone on, record, and then just be like, just tell them all the steps that you have to take in order to truly justify.
You must prostrate yourself.
I know, like, you could have fun with it.
Like, my husband was like, she was, she was kind of cute.
She was younger.
She was kind of cute.
Like, if I was single, I'd have been like, let's go back to my place and talk about some reparations.
Oh, dear.
This is a Christian podcast here.
I keep having to remind you.
He's a Christian man.
He's a faithful man.
He's been married for 21 years.
I think it's weird, though.
I prefer that.
I would prefer not to be singled out like that.
And also, I have found that I'm having to do a lot of, I'm having to appease a lot of people or like help a lot of people feel better.
Like every white person I know is like texting me, calling me.
I went to a neighborhood party the other day.
Inviting you on their podcast.
They were going to have you on a long time ago.
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
Yeah, you canceled on us.
True.
Talking about reparations.
That wasn't my fault.
We were like going to die from COVID if I came in.
Yeah, you'd come in.
We'd all be in the back.
That's back in the past.
We would all be dead now.
Yeah.
That was so March 2020.
The what pandemic?
Right.
Yeah, I don't even remember.
It's coming back, though.
I don't know.
More lockdowns.
I wonder where it'll be when it's heirs.
Yeah.
Heirs is a weird word.
I know that like they give every statement the who releases the who sounds like a band.
I guess the who releases people.
Are they on top of this?
Every statement they release is just creepy because it keeps me like, oh, this thing might come back every year.
Yeah.
It might take years to disappear.
This might never go away.
Yeah.
It's like they're preparing you to be locked down every year.
I've actually been very pleased with how unruly Americans have been with this whole thing.
Even the whole, even as it pertains to how Black Lives Matter has come in and totally erased our panic over COVID, even that to me is like, yes, this is the American spirit.
We don't like to be told what to do.
Sure.
I mean, we were all, so we were already a powder keg before all of this hit.
People were primed to be angry.
I felt like there was a real progression with the pandemic.
Like at the beginning, people were like, okay, it sounds reasonable to stay in your house for a couple of weeks just to slow this thing.
15 days to slow the spread.
It was 30 to bend the curve.
Bend the curve.
Flatten the curve.
That was the flat motto.
And now they're saying what they want two weeks of no deaths or no cases before they'll open up, right?
That's the last thing I heard.
I don't know.
What's Daniel?
California.
Yeah, Iron's done later.
I heard Disneyland is coming back.
Are you going to Disneyland?
Well, I never go to Disneyland.
It's too expensive.
It's a miserable place.
It's too expensive.
I don't have Disneyland money.
No.
That's for, yeah.
We'll take you on the Babylon B dime.
Great.
If Babylon B wants to do a podcast at Disneyland, I am for sale.
You can be bought is what you're saying.
I can be bought.
Absolutely.
I don't have a lot of standards when it comes to this business.
Yeah.
And I don't mind saying that.
Okay.
How much did your life change?
Like, you're actually pandemic to pandemic?
Pre-pandemic to pandemic, how much did it change?
Like, did you stay inside anyway?
And it didn't change much?
Oh, no.
For me, it didn't change much.
Mostly close to home.
If I go out, I'm like going out.
Like I'm going to LA.
Like I'm going to do business there or whatever.
I do a lot of business in LA.
But like roaming around Orange County for fun is not something I usually do.
I'm not a Orange County's my home now, but I'm not necessarily a great suburban person.
But my husband, different.
He was used to going out, going to the gym, hanging out with friends, going to the bar on the weekends for football games.
And all of a sudden, that just completely shut down.
And then we were all, I was like you, like in the beginning, I was like, all right, let's do our part.
And then I was, I was terrified for a little while.
I'm also a bit of a hypochondriac too.
So I was really struggling with, I was pretty sure I have had COVID like about 30 times since March.
So, and then once we went past that 30-day period and we started like getting the extensions, then I was like, this doesn't make sense to me.
And I figured sometimes the things don't make sense to you.
It's because they don't make sense.
I was like, I'm smart enough to figure this out.
I'm not that dumb.
Like, I know I don't have all the graphs and degrees, but I'm also not an idiot.
Like, I can look around and see.
I can look at the, like, I'm looking at the numbers every day.
I'm looking at the testing rates.
Nothing's adding up.
And that's when I was like, I'm done with this.
And Orange County is pretty unruly.
We don't care about what the northerner libs do.
We don't care about LA County.
We pay a lot of money to be able to go to the beach and go to the pools and walk the trails.
And so people just started doing it without the governor.
And eventually he has had to catch up to us.
I don't know if we'll go back in the lockdowns.
I don't think so.
I don't think we can tolerate it.
Yeah, it was funny.
Gaviner, Gaviner.
Gaviner Gavin.
That was the third time I said that.
The Gaviner was like, you kind of watched when people just started doing things.
And he would announce, no, it's okay.
Science.
Science.
But, like, you would see people going to the beach, and then he's like, oh, everyone's ignoring me.
And then you have this press conference.
It is okay to go to the beach now.
Yes.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Thank you, Calvinator.
All the churches said they were going to open on May 31st, and like three days before, he's like, It is okay for churches to open.
We're still closed as of this interview.
We're still closed.
You guys are closed?
Churches, yeah.
I think our churches are open.
I don't know how big a lot in the area have opened.
I think it depends on how big it is.
I do not envy pastors having to make these decisions because some of them are just like if one of their seniors died or something, they would feel terrible, you know.
So they're being careful.
I respect that.
I respect that, but I did fire off a very Karen-y letter to my pastor yesterday.
I said, Enough is enough.
I feel bad, pastors, because of the Karen.
I mean, yeah, we're part of your flock too, so deal with it.
But I've been like everybody else, like, of course, this is, I'm like you.
I don't envy pastors having the pastor through this, but there is a line where we need to decide: are we going to let God be God?
Are we going to let the state be the state?
And I was telling them, look, the world's on fire right now.
This is the time for the church to step forward.
This is the time to be physically present, not in a Zoom, you know, but physically present in our community, not just feeding people.
Our church is still doing that.
We still got our volunteer programs going out, but we're not congregating.
We're not communing.
We're not growing this community, which is what we're always called to do as Christians.
If there was ever a time for us to lead on what the kingdom of God looks like, it's now.
Like, we have to get out there.
We have to be an example.
The world is burning.
We're still shut down.
And who's leading?
Who is leading on this?
It has to be us.
There's no other solution to this crisis without Christ.
And so for us to be still worrying about this issue of a virus that the numbers don't even really add up to panic.
It's real.
Not denying it.
It's real.
It has its issues.
But at some point, we have to be like, we can't tell the state that we're not allowed to be a voice in the desert right now.
We have to be out there or we're going to be playing catch up.
And the church has been playing catch up in this culture for too long.
And frankly, I have never prayed so much for the general American church as I have in the last two weeks.
I just think everything looks so dismal right now because of just everything, not even the racial tension, but just everything, how everything is going.
There was a Supreme Court decision that came down yesterday about protections for LGBT that could really have some dire consequences moving forward for American freedom.
That's just fear mongering.
Sure.
I mean, fine.
I think that.
That's what they say every time a decision passes and you say, well, this could do things.
And I'm like, no, no, no.
And then like a year later, exactly what you said happened happens.
And then you're like, no, Every time.
But then when you want to remind people that you said it, then they're like, well, let's not go back to the past.
Let's not.
But I do think that now is a time for us to pray, to pray for our country.
That used to be very common, but I don't think a lot of Christians do that anymore.
And now is the time to pray.
Pray for revival.
Pray for healing.
God doesn't have to be done with us yet.
We're not going to last forever.
The American experiment is not going to last forever.
I don't necessarily believe it's finished yet, though.
And there's still a remnant here.
And I go, I listen to British podcast, Unbelievable, which is an apologetics podcast, and they usually have people of different faiths on there.
And sometimes they'll have, it's all very polite because it's British, but sometimes I'll have an American guest on, and always it will devolve into what's wrong with American evangelicals, which that's all any of us are, right?
From overseas, we're all just evangelicals with a capital E.
But what's wrong with American evangelicals?
You guys are so political.
You sway elections, blah, blah, blah.
They look at it as so base, so basic, and they're above it.
And I was talking to the host one day, and I was saying, We're not above it.
It's not, it's not that we're, excuse me, it's not that we're basic, it's that we haven't given up.
You guys gave up.
You've already conceded that you're in a post-Christian era.
Right.
Americans are not there yet.
Church was optional.
When you see us sputting heads, it's not because we're Neanderthals who can't get our point across.
It's because we're not done fighting for the idea that this is a place where faith, particularly Christianity, can flourish and provide a more equal, more prosperous society for everyone.
We haven't given up.
Well, usually I don't allow women to preach, but this is a mic, not a pulpit.
Is your pastor a woman?
Not yet.
Not yet.
Transition.
It is California.
It could be check with me next week.
Do you go to like a giant evangelical megachurch?
Not a giant one, but definitely can be considered megachurch.
Yeah, I would.
Do you like it?
Yeah, I love it.
It's my home.
Cool.
I never thought I would.
I never wanted to go to one.
But we ended up because we came out of the black church tradition.
So that's like six hours of church on a Sunday, you know?
That's the question I was going to get.
It's horrible.
Is it a black church?
No.
No.
And so when we moved, and my husband's a PK, so he was in church his whole life.
So when he moved, he was like, I just want to go to a church that has like an hour-long service.
And so that was a mega church.
But we met so many great people there.
It turned out to be a great family.
A lot of the harder work gets done in small groups.
It's seeker-friendly.
But I've always found them very open to the idea that there's of like biblical, traditional biblical values.
There's a few litmus tests I have, and I'm always waiting for them to cross the line, but they have not yet.
So that's good.
And the pastor's not a woman yet.
Not yet.
So that's good.
Not yet.
We do have female junior pastors, like junior high.
And that's it.
What are the litmus tests you look for for a good church?
Like inerrancy?
I always look for that word, inerrancy in the statement of faith.
Right.
Biblical, what do you call it?
Like strict biblical values or whatever.
Yeah.
Interpretation.
Women in the pulpit is another one.
That's a no-no.
And gay marriage if we perform ceremonies in the church.
That's problematic.
To me, it would be a sign that we're shifting from straight biblical values.
So, yeah, it would, I think those are, and not that there's no discussions to be had about those things, but just I think when you see those things enter the culture of your church, it's a signal of more.
Gay marriage is not the worst thing that can happen.
Women preaching in the pulpit is not the worst thing that can happen.
Those are signals of a shift away from a strict interpretation of scripture.
And then that's a signal of decline, in my opinion.
It's the canary in the coal mine.
I think so.
I've never used that expression correctly.
So I'm just trying to do it.
You just did it.
That was it.
It is that you did it.
You did it.
And I went, he said it to a pregnant lady the other day.
I was like, that's not how it is.
I'm a call.
I'm a gosh.
You got a canary in the old coal mine.
You can hear it chirping.
No, that's not.
No, that's, that's, no.
Absolutely a bird in the bush.
No.
That looks filthier.
No, that's filming.
Dang.
This is the first time we derailed the hell on the ground.
Oh, my gosh.
Oh, my goodness.
Tearing up on that.
Oh, my goodness.
Yes.
No, that you used it correctly this time.
Somebody with my friend is an Episcopalian in LA.
And so she works for the Episcopalian Church, which is notoriously swings pretty far to the left these days.
And of course, with all of this, her parishioner crew was asking, How do we get more black people into the church?
You know, we want to diversify.
How do we get more black people?
And I told her, I was like, tell them that if you want more black people in church, you need to take the sign from in front of the church that says, black trans lives matters, because I can tell you that transgender issues is not the number one priority for the black community.
And it tells me that you don't understand what faith is to the black community.
So you can't like cater to people to get them coming the door and you don't even understand the culture.
You're saying black trans lives don't matter?
Flowerbed.
Wait, you take the Lord's name in vain?
I just God's the lower G. Lower G.
I do not.
She's talking about Thor.
Good God.
I do not take the Lord's name in vain.
You can ask my kids because it is a source of great embarrassment for them.
Because when their kids come, their friends come in the house, as soon as someone uses Jesus, I'll be like, I'm like from the bottom of the stairs, like, no, we don't, you, we don't take the Lord's name in vain down here.
You go home.
My son will be like, oh my God.
Flower bed.
Like, no.
I had a friend that was kind of a gangster, but he would not say God or Jesus.
Yeah.
But he would say every other swear.
He grew up Catholic.
So he'd be like, gosh, baby, baby, gosh, mama.
He would throw gosh in.
I've said God a few times in this podcast.
I generally don't say it.
But we're describing it.
But yeah, like, I have a potty mouth.
I cuss like a sailor, but I will not take the Lord's name in vain.
Absolutely.
Yeah, Bridget Fezu came on this.
She was like, they'll never invite me on again because I could not control my body now.
I don't remember her cussing that much.
I'm pretty good.
Did she?
Okay.
Go ahead, Bridget.
We'd have Bridget back on, I'm sure.
Yeah.
It's great.
We'll have you back on.
We're listening.
Come on, Bridget.
She's a doll.
Oh, we have a surprise for you.
Bridget is in the next room right here.
That's a callback.
That's a callback to the much older episode.
You don't have to go back to that other episode.
It happened weeks ago.
We don't even remember it.
By the time this airs, what do you think is going to be going on in America?
That's the crazy thing.
Since we're recording this one a few weeks in advance, this could be completely irrelevant.
I know.
I was like nervous when we were talking about trying to talk about things in Modern Times because, yeah, the attack bears could have been unleashed at this point.
God only knows right now.
Like cows bred with human faces or something.
That'll be like a headline, a real headline.
Yeah.
In a few weeks.
Well, I feel like maybe in a few weeks, we actually might be to the zombie portion of this apocalypse.
Yeah.
We might actually see, oh, there's that's what COVID actually does.
Yeah, everybody that died of COVID, 120,000 people in America or whatever, started rise again.
Come back.
Yeah.
Well, we all know from watching Walking Dead that you're going to be like a samurai with a couple of zombies.
I'm going to go.
I'll do it.
I'll do it.
You're leading them around.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, you use them as protection.
You cut their jaws off so they can't bite.
I love it.
You're Michonne.
Michonne is the best.
Why did she have them?
It was for the smell or like yeah, because they were like, yeah, they helped kind of camouflage her.
I stopped watching when the guy with the baseball bat and the barbed wire baseball bat came on because it was too much.
It was so depressing every episode.
I did too.
I lasted a season.
I was right before that.
I think dropped off.
Really?
I lasted a season after that.
I was okay with them killing Glenn.
Spoilers.
I was okay with them.
I think it was like four years ago.
He was an American.
Yeah.
He's awesome.
Loved Clint.
Yeah, I was really sad when he died.
That's the last episode I watched, I think.
I watched a year.
I said, all right, I get it.
But after that, you're right.
You can tell, I think, that the writers are kind of caught in a contract.
It's a cycle.
The characters journey.
They find a new brand.
They all get murdered.
Then they sit on the side of a lake for about seven or eight episodes and cry.
Yeah.
Like there's like Sarah Answers are just like, Earl's dead.
Not Earl.
What are we going to do?
We got to get up and walk.
We've got to keep walking.
But Cleanus is gone.
We got to believe in people again.
And they get to the next place and they're like, oh, it's seven and we're all great.
And then like, oh, but we're cannibals.
People are worse than zombies.
That's the lesson.
Get out of here.
And then they start over.
They always look at the camera and go, we are the walking dead.
We are the virus.
Yeah, we are the virus.
Nature is healing.
Nature's healing itself.
I love a good zombie movie or a zombie show.
I'm totally down for it.
Zombies, I'm really into.
And then scary dolls.
I love a conjung.
Oh, wow.
Give me a scary doll.
Annabelle movie.
Me and my daughter freaking love Annabelle.
She actually dressed up as Annabelle for Halloween one year.
I missed the whole Annabelle crazy.
It was from Conjuring.
We talked about this last time.
He was on.
Did we?
Yeah.
We could talk about horror movies forever.
Could talk about what's your favorite horror movie, number one.
The Conjuring.
That's your favorite horror movie.
Horror movies.
Classics, modern.
But listen, here's my thing on movies.
I love movies.
I don't, I don't have, it's hard.
If you ask me what your favorite is, that's hard for me.
It might change depending on season of the season.
But right now, you're saying the conjuring.
Right now, I'm saying the conjuring.
Now, I still, there's nothing that's going to top Nightmare in Elm Street when you watch it.
But when my kids watch Nightmare in Elm Street, it don't look like nothing to them.
Yeah, it looks cheesy.
To me, I'm not.
Which one's that?
Is that Freddy?
Freddy?
Freddy Kruvi?
Yeah.
And I can remember being a kid and watching on cable with my best friend, and then we just fell asleep on the couch because we were afraid to put our feet on the ground to walk to her bedroom.
Was he like a tech feet or something?
No, like, but he would come out from under stuff.
I'm the voice of the homeschoolers on our podcast.
We don't know who this guy is.
My daughter is.
Is he the dream guy?
You see the guy that goes in the dreams?
Okay, I know.
I know.
Claw hat.
Claw hat.
Crazy face like this.
Yeah, it looks like he got burned up.
He was a child molester, and the police wouldn't capture him.
So the parents went and burned him alive in his own house.
And that's, and that then he became.
Somehow he got dream powers.
Yeah, he got dream powers like you do.
Like one does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just the power you get from being a child molester.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My daughter and I, my daughter's been watching horror movies since she was nine.
Something I said I would never do.
But she kind of found them on her own, which is about the age I found horror movies.
My first horror movie was The Exorcist.
I watched it recently for the first time.
What did you think?
I fell asleep.
Yeah.
Boring.
Right.
Because it's a movie of its time.
Yeah.
It's a movie of its day.
But I watched like The Shining recently and loved it.
So, you know, more recently.
The Shining's a masterpiece, though.
Yeah.
I think very few movies are like that where it just translates, continues to translate.
The shining.
And I don't think anyone's ever really made a movie like that.
But one of the things that I think makes The Shining so relatable or so special is that at heart, at the heart of it, it's a story about what happens when a parent hates their kid.
And I think it speaks to a lot of us that we have this base instinct to get rageful or angry, turn on our loved ones.
And that's like an evil instinct, you know, that we're always having to resist.
In fact, that was how Stephen King says he wrote the story.
He was writing the book back when you typed on the typewriter and his kid came by and spilled coffee on the manuscript.
And he was like, I just kill him.
And then he was like, oh, what happened to that?
Step into that.
What would, yeah, what would it take for you to kill your offspring?
You know, what would what kind of a person would that make you?
And then all of his other stuff wove in there.
Yeah.
But I'm a big fan of horror, working on a couple of horror scripts myself right now.
Yeah.
Love it.
Same here.
So are you?
Are you, Kyle?
Are you writing scripts or are you a fan horror or fan?
Me and Frank Fleming of Babylon B, we wrote a horror script together.
Nice.
Do you have any Hollywood producers out there?
Yeah, really soon.
I watched The Invisible Man recently.
The new one.
It was pretty good.
Good.
I liked it.
It was good.
Did you like it, Kyle?
I liked it.
I thought it was a great.
I had never seen the old ones, but like the idea of a stalker.
Yes.
We've talked about some issues I have in my family.
So the book, but I hadn't someone like that would be invisible.
Did they do other movie adaptations of it?
Oh, yeah.
There's a classic theme.
There's like a black and white one, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, this was like a total reimagining.
This was like a reimagining of that.
That's a blumhouse mojo, man.
They are so hit.
They're firing on all cylinders over there.
My daughter, who's 12, doesn't necessarily have the most sophisticated understanding of relationships between men and women.
We were watching that show, watching that movie.
And towards the end, she was like, why is it that every horror movie we watch, it's always the woman that people are like, she's so crazy.
Like it's always some woman that everyone thinks is crazy and no one ever believes the woman.
But it was amazing because she really hit on something which was the theme of the movie, really.
That's the entire point.
Which is like female fear, female expression, you know, believe all, hashtag believe all women.
And it actually opened a whole other discussion about how women are perceived when they have concerns versus men and how it's easier maybe to paint us as crazy and how the truth gets caught up in all that.
And I thought it was interesting that she noticed it.
Yeah, I thought it was such a powerful way to express that point about believe women and all that.
You know, when we hear the hashtags and we kind of go, okay, yeah, we know we roll our eyes or whatever.
And I'm not 100% on board with that whole believe all women, believe every accusation and all that.
We make fun of that idea a lot.
But you see someone who's writing that to make that point.
And when they make it through an artistic way, it's like.
Well, there's something there.
Well, then it's like, okay, I can understand your position.
Okay.
You're putting me in her shoes.
Yeah.
Yeah, but she's got this invisible assaulter and nobody believes her that he's there, right?
Right.
And how frustrating that is, and how when you're reacting to things, people are like, calm down.
Yeah.
You know, and you're like, no, I'm someone's trying to murder me.
I can't calm down.
But it did bring up some interesting conversation about that.
That's awesome.
Yep.
So, uh, what do you?
I wonder if this will be at all being talked about, but it's been in the news for quite a while.
Okay.
J.K. Rowling, TERF.
Yeah.
Turf Wars.
I'm exhausted.
What does TERF stand for again?
Trans, trans exclusionary radical feminists.
Wow, you're like, what are you part of?
Isn't this amazing?
I've been the guy that's just defining things.
At least in the last episode.
Isn't this amazing?
And what that means is that you're a feminist.
You think if you, well, I keep you said J.K. Rowling, progressive shred author J.K. Rowling for suggesting people who menstruate are women.
So that's like kind of the basis of her, like, biology.
If you're biologically a female.
Yeah.
If you adhere to the biological definitions of gender, you are a TERF.
So if a person says, I identify as male, and if you don't just say that everything about them is as male as a male can be, if you suggest that they're a turf if you're a feminist.
No, no, no.
Well, we have to be a feminist, right?
No.
Yeah, yeah.
But they still will call you a turf.
They are redefining feminism to include you adhering to the biological definition of sex.
That actually makes you a radical feminist.
Right, but only if you're a feminist.
So they wouldn't call us terfs because we're not even on board with feminism to be aware no matter what.
Well, we'll still be labeled anti-trans.
Just like everyone who's old, no, it's like everyone who's over 30 now is a boomer, even though we're not really.
And every annoying person, yeah, every annoying young person is a millennial, even if they're Gen Z or Karen.
It's the same thing with TERF.
Words are nearly meaningless at this point.
But yeah, my son even called me a TERF the other day because I suggested that women menstruate and men.
Yeah.
He was serious.
Wow.
And my son's like, I don't think he'd call himself a conservative, but he's definitely like middle of the road, libertarian.
He doesn't like nonsense.
But that one was just, that was one of those talking points he threw out there.
And, you know, he's in high school and half of high school's trans right now.
And, but it was interesting because we did have, he won't listen to this, so I'll say this.
We did have a conversation recently, and he asked me about, did I ever worry that he might be gay or whatever?
And I was like, no, I've never worried about it.
And he's pretty straight now.
And he was like, well, what about Ruby?
You know, she's only 12.
Like, what if she's gay?
And I'm like, well, I'm not too worried about her either, to be honest.
He was like, well, what would you do if she's gay?
And I'm like, I don't know what is to do.
What's to be done?
You know, she's still my daughter.
So you'll understand that when you become a parent.
But I said, to be honest with you, I wouldn't even take her seriously if she told me that right now.
Because I think that a lot of sexuality that we see these days is because it's a social contagion.
It's like a virus.
It's a trend.
Trend is the more it's a sillier word to use.
It's a buzzword that ticks people off.
But really, I liken it to a contagion.
And he surprised me.
He was like, yeah, to be honest, I've just kind of, I've been kind of thinking the same thing lately.
He's like, I'd say half of my friends are gay or trans, and like half of them have decided they're not at some point.
Like, yeah, they fluctuate.
Yeah.
I had a lot of friends that did that too.
Like, because I was from small town, Oregon, and then all my friends moved up to like mostly either Eugene or Portland, the bigger cities.
And like a bunch of them went gay or bi.
Yeah.
And then that all kind of ended, like, you know, a lot of them stopped.
Yeah.
Just kind of wilted away or something.
A lot of it is just this pressure that kids have when they turn 12, 13.
It's like, what are you doing?
You want to fill up?
What's your orientation?
What do you identify as?
And they're like, oh, I don't know.
I don't have feelings for anybody.
Maybe I'm this or that.
I was so messed up at that age.
They're like showing them pictures.
Are you attracted to this or this?
What are you?
There's a string.
Talking about literature tests for the church.
That was one of the things that I spoke with our youth pastor about ages ago when we first started.
I was because I knew my son's middle school group, like I knew a bunch of his friends were experimenting.
Like we had, we had some incidents.
So, and I didn't know if he was going to get caught up in that.
And so I went to the pastor and I said, I need to know what your response will be to this because we don't, we're a seeker church, so we don't talk a lot about sexuality from the pulpit, but obviously it's nothing you can ignore from kids.
And I want to make sure that you guys are addressing it in a biblical response because at this age, and this is what I told my son, too, at this age, there are a lot of kids who actually just need someone to tell them, oh, no, you're actually, you don't have to be like that.
You know, there are a lot of kids who are just looking for one adult.
Yeah.
Some are going to struggle and maybe never, maybe that is what they are.
And then that's how they move forward with their lives.
Obviously, those people are out there.
But I would say the majority of kids, if you get them early enough and you say, you actually don't have to surrender to these feelings.
These are actually feelings that might pass if you allow yourself to just ride it out.
And we can give them permission to just ride it out and not commit to anything until they feel.
And I was like, I need to know that you'll say that.
And they were like, yeah, we're, you know, of course, we have a biblical view of sexuality.
All are welcome.
We're all, we're open to all.
It's why they don't address it from the pulpit a lot so that people don't feel like they can't come into the church.
But at the end of the day, you know, this is our view.
I'm just glad I didn't make any major decisions about my life when I was 12.
Oh my gosh.
I was 13.
Right?
Well, that's the weird thing now, too.
It is like it's like a weird self-labeling epidemic where people they suddenly, we have a joke, mother walks child through a girl, was it the kid runs through the Barbie aisle and she's like, oh, you're transgender.
Yeah, he celebrates.
But gender stereotypes are bad.
So if you were, if you're born around to a Barbie, you're a girl, but immediately.
Yeah.
Immediately.
But Barbies aren't for girls.
It's so confusing.
It is very confusing, isn't it?
But just they create labels and they immediately go, oh, this is what I am.
I found it.
It's almost like a religion.
It's like you go, oh, I found Christ.
It's like, oh, I found that sister who said she found she's asexual.
And it seemed like that led her down this path of identifying very strongly and politically in this one way of thinking about herself.
And I can't imagine if I had thought that way when I, because I was, I mean, I had like thoughts that I was asexual in some ways, but I didn't have the words to put to it when I was in high school.
Yeah.
I felt so unattractive.
You know, I went through years where I didn't even attempt to ask anybody out.
I hated myself.
I felt like suicidal and I thought I was unattractive and ugly.
And I just, you know, but I didn't have anybody to go, oh, that's, you know, what that is.
You have this condition, and now you will carry it with the rest of your life.
Here's your flag.
I grew up.
Yeah, here's your flag.
Yeah, here's your label.
Thank God because people, adults would have saddled you with this identity.
Yeah.
And then instead of letting you explore that identity and decide for yourself, oh no, I have a, I actually have a friend who has a middle school age daughter.
And her and her husband discovered that she had an Instagram and she had decided, I'm bi.
I think she said I'm bisexual.
And they were shocked.
You know, they didn't even know that she was even kind of getting into the whole romance thing at this point.
And they were scared.
They were, she was actually a stepdaughter.
So there was a lot of issues with divorce and blended families and everything.
So they were already kind of hypersensitive about what she might be going through.
So they took her to a counselor.
And they just wanted to explore this.
And the counselor said, well, let me meet with her without you.
And he did.
I don't know how they chose this person, but they trusted him.
And he did.
And then when the session was over, he said, Yeah, no, she's fine.
Like this is a case.
And he did say, I'm seeing this a lot, where a lot of them don't even really know what it means, but it feels special.
And what she really meant when they dug into it was, I love everyone.
You know, I don't, I don't discriminate who I care for based on, but she wasn't talking about romance, but she didn't know that.
So what if she went to a doctor that said, you are bisexual, your parents need to affirm this in everything you do.
And her parents are the greatest authority in her life.
How does that develop how she thinks about her sexuality after that?
Yeah, and it's what, what are they, what is this all based on?
Like the whole idea that where does it come from?
So is it science?
I don't know where it's actually science.
Science gabinator.
Because it feels like what they're being said is you can make up whatever you want to about yourself as long as you feel it.
That's what happens.
And everybody else has to treat it like it's the truth.
So like, where does any of any that's what happens when we rip God out from under our communities and our kids?
So we've spent the last 50 or 60 years trying to convince ourselves that God has no place in the public square.
We took them out of school.
We took him out of the workplace.
Can't have his, you know, we still swear on the Bible, but we can't have the Ten Commandments in a courtroom.
We've done our best to remove God.
So who tells you who you are?
Right.
God does.
That's why I came to Christ because I was lost and lonely and hurt.
Didn't know where I fit in.
Was rejected even in my own family.
And here I found a God who was like, I chose you.
I created you.
You're a part of this thing.
I adopted you into this kingdom.
You don't deserve to be a prince, princess.
And yet, I call you to my right-hand side.
You inherit everything, even though you've done nothing.
That is an amazing, it gives you a sense of purpose, right?
You know, even like you struggling and feeling worthless and not knowing, like, I feel confident speaking for you here.
Like, when you find that there's a God who says, oh, no, I created you with purpose, it doesn't erase all the pain, but it does give you an idea that you matter.
Right.
And you have an identity.
You know, I had an identity as a Christian, as a child of God.
That's really special.
You pull that out from under people, it creates a vacuum.
Something's always going to fill the vacuum.
That we all pick a religion.
The rich sexuality has become a religion.
We all worship at that altar.
Sexuality has even stolen the rainbow as a symbol of that religion, a religious symbol repurposed for another religion.
So it's just people searching.
And I don't mean to, you know, degrade or denigrate the or devalue the struggle of people.
Or, you know, I know everyone does it differently.
I, some people feel like, yeah, I've just been this way my whole life.
I'm not trying to say anything about your journey, but I am saying that there's a vacuum that gets, you know, and I think what we're seeing is a vacuum.
And sexuality is a huge part of God's plan for human beings.
And that is why it's one of the first things to be attacked, and one of the hardest things to discuss and to overcome and to be healthy about.
It is literally the mechanism for which we create life.
And life is creating life is the closest thing you can get to being the God.
Yeah, I think the identity and the labels thing was such a clever tactic to get kids to buy into this whole thing.
Because I remember when I was that age, I identified with anything.
Like you, you know, I played Nintendo 64.
I'm Raphael.
Yeah, exactly.
You do, you do buy, like, you buy into a brand, or like I was all big on Nintendo 64.
My kids, like, my friends like PlayStation was like, oh, I'm the, I'm the identify with it.
I'm like, I'm still wearing Nintendo gear, you know, and it's so powerful.
You know, and I've seen, I've seen studies about people that buy brands, and it's not that they're buying a product, it's they're buying this identity or this lifestyle.
Yeah, I think that's such a powerful thing, especially for kids that age.
But we're all looking for identity.
I've always told my kids from the start, from when they were little, if we would hear something silly on TV, or every time my son will come to me and say, This friend is emo, this friend is gay, this friend is trans, this friend is Nintendo.
I would always say a lot of people feel like they have to make up these labels for themselves so that because they're looking for an identity, and the thing that, and that's something we never have to do as Christians, as children of God, we never have to search for our identity.
We already have it, we're already confident in it.
And so that's why I don't worry about my daughter.
That's why I never worried about my son.
You know, I can't explain because I can't explain that to them because they've been raised in this world that says you're born gay.
And we've just accepted that there's science behind that.
Science, like Gavinator, clip.
We don't have one yet.
But we've, and so we've never been allowed to like have really full discussions about what that means.
But, and maybe we never will.
But the one thing I can tell them is that identity is huge and everyone's looking to belong.
If you already belong somewhere, the battle's won.
You know, and they have a family they belong to.
They have a mom and dad.
They're together, we're stable, we're committed.
And then we've raised them as children of God.
My son's 18.
He's starting to question whether or not he's down with, you know, church and the Bible.
That'll be up to him.
Yeah.
I'm done.
I've gone as far as I can go.
You have a really large purse.
How many purses?
I have like 30, I think.
30 persons?
What's the weirdest thing that you have in your purse?
Right now?
Yeah.
A mask.
I never in my life thought I would carry around.
Yeah, just I have one bad thing.
I smell a mask.
How bad does it smell at this point?
Or are you watching them?
No, I watch them.
Well, I don't even.
I probably infected more people with my mask than without it.
Like, I don't really watch it.
I'm just blowing out of that.
All I do, I just wear it so I can get into stores.
I don't like, yeah, I would say the mask is the weirdest thing in my purse right now.
It is such a strange thing.
Yeah.
Like we're all carrying masks around.
Oh, yeah.
My kids leave the house and go, Do you have your mask going?
What's happening at this point?
Oh, it feels like a post-apocalyptic film we're living in.
Yeah, for sure.
We throw in topics at you when we don't have a paper.
Do you carry it?
Really?
Any hot sauce around in your purse?
No, I'm not like Hillary.
Not like Hillary?
I tried carrying hot sauce around for a while.
It's just too laborious.
I like hot sauce.
You don't have a purse.
But you don't have a purse.
Yeah, so I have to have it in my little pocket or something.
Yes.
Yeah, that's not cool.
Do you rotate your purses through like you like you have, but do you have the same one for a month or two and then rotate?
Yeah, that's what my wife does.
I have the same one for a month or two.
And then maybe if I'm going out and I want like, maybe I want a bigger purse because I need to carry more.
Or maybe I want a smaller purse because I'm going to maybe a bar or something where it's not convenient to have it.
It depends on your location.
My husband is very annoyed.
Are you annoyed by the number of your wife's purses?
She doesn't have very many, but like I said, like three months, four months, she'll just get another one.
My husband thinks I only need one.
I think my wife may just have one.
Maybe she has others hidden from me or something.
Well, she does a thrift store thing.
She probably gets cool ones at the thrift store.
Our closets are full of things of hers, and I just don't pay attention to what's going on there.
Right.
It's better that way.
She probably has a whole closet of purses.
You don't even know.
She's very thrifty and very money.
I mean, I just know how she is.
Yeah.
It won't be until she finds like a $10 deal or something if she won't get a purse.
I don't really have designer purses.
If I have a designer purse, it's because I found a thrift store.
So I definitely am thrifty in that way, but my husband can't stand it.
Like, I'll buy another purse and be like, what do you need another purse for?
You have like four right here hanging on this chair.
And but then he'll he'll be the first one to walk in with like two new baseball caps.
Like, go, go, go, go.
I'm like, all right, what do you need?
We all have our vices.
It's always something.
Probably the only thing I spend money on is the cigars, and I just light them and they burn them, get burned away.
Yeah, you probably spend more on cigars in like a day than your wife does in purses for yeah.
Don't say them.
She probably listens to this.
Yeah.
Just so you know.
Yeah.
One purse per cigar.
You should.
Yeah.
It's an accessory, guys.
It's an accessory.
That's why we have so many.
Your wallets are just for utility.
You know, you use it, you use them for something.
Our purses are accessories.
I can barely match shirt and pants, so I can't imagine being like, yeah, I got to find the bag that kind of have a man purse.
But see, we like it.
I think it's fun.
I got like, oh, does this look cute with this one?
Or is this going to be practical?
My favorite thing is to find a really cute purse at the thrift store and then everyone compliments on you.
And that's when you go, it was $5.
That's like an accomplishment.
I'm bragging.
Oh, totally.
Do you carry snacks into the movies in the giant purse?
Yeah.
That's my wife does.
Yeah.
Who can afford?
I know, Jesus.
I don't feel bad.
I don't know.
Like, we'll still maybe buy the popcorn and a drink, but she'll always buy popcorn.
She'll bring in the candy.
We're not going to spend the $8 on the little.
We'll buy it.
We'll buy.
It's a big box, but there's not much in there.
We'll do, we'll stop for soda.
Like, if all of us are going, we'll stop for sodas at the gas station.
And then we'll get candy if we want candy.
But we'll buy popcorn at the theater because you can't replace it.
You can't like pop popcorn and put it in the popcorn.
That's what I'm saying.
Although, I worked at the dollar show 150 years ago when I used to live in Nashville when I was a young woman before I was married.
I worked at the dollar theater, you know, a dollar per ticket.
They make their money there on concessions.
I think all theaters, most theaters.
Most do.
But the dollar shore movie show especially.
So it was probably like 50% more expensive than at the regular theater.
And people go in and they'd be like, what?
I can't afford a $15 small popcorn.
Yeah.
You spend a dollar to get.
But it's like, well, this is how this works.
This is capitalism.
But when we would go into the theaters to clean up after a show, I swear.
Begrudging respect for how people got stuff in there.
Buckets of chicken, pizza boxes.
Like, how many things got in there?
I didn't even see like full meals, full, and no one bothered to carry them out.
You know, full steak dinner on a plate in the background.
Full meals.
I've been so amazed at how much junk people actually got into this.
Wineglasses.
Yeah.
Just crazy.
Is that the weirdest job you've ever had, or have you ever had a weirder job?
I would say my current job is the weirdest job I've ever had as an op-ed writer.
It really is.
It's a bizarre job because it puts you in positions you, I forget that people listen to me.
I forget that I forget that I'm a public personality.
I don't think of myself like I don't walk places and people recognize me.
But if you're a reader of conservative opinion, you've probably read something of mine or seen me on Fox.
And sometimes I forget and I'll make a joke or I'll say things and that'll get picked up by like the opposition.
And it'll be like, editor-at-large for Red's Sake, Kira Davis said XYZ.
And like, well, that was just a joke that I was saying to a friend on Twitter.
But I, yeah, it's bizarre to be suddenly, to suddenly have these labels thrust upon you that don't apply to you at all.
Like, I'm just a stay-at-home mom.
I'm just a stay-at-home mom.
We got embroiled in this big political issue, or I won't even mention it, but it was a huge issue.
It involved a lawsuit because I was a member of the blog.
The lawsuit hit me too.
And I was like, this is so crazy.
I got the New York Times calling me Wall Street Jr.
Wall Street Jr.
This should be Wall Street Jr.
Like remake Wall Street for kids.
Little articles on economics that explain things with lemonade stands.
But I read an article about myself at it was at the Times, I think.
And it was quoting old, old opinion articles of me and relating them to the current.
So Kira Davis said this about women's issues and blah, blah, blah.
And it's like these things weren't related at all, but it made me look out to be this horrible, like misogynistic, racist, like right-wing nut job.
And I remember telling my husband, like, this is so weird.
Like, I'm a stay-at-home mom.
I am not a celebrity.
I am not a public personality.
I'm just a mom.
I write because I want to raise my kids.
So it's the best thing I can do and be at home.
This is the weirdest job I've had.
Yeah.
Truly.
It's a weird world.
Have you ever had anyone dig up like old and weird tweets of yours?
No, because I have tweet delete.
So you delete how long out, dude?
500 days.
500 days, they're gone.
Gone.
I don't even want to mess with that.
I think we're really at the tip of the iceberg of this phase of people getting canceled because you think about everybody who when did Twitter start?
2009, 2008?
2010, I think.
Really?
Somewhere around there.
Yeah.
So 10 years ago, so you're going to have kids who were 12 then that are now adults.
And that's just starting, that those kids that got Twitter when they were that age are now adults, turning it, becoming 18, 19, 20 now.
Yeah.
We might have to revolve through a few more years of this before it hits.
Yeah, you're going to see a lot of people.
Everyone's going to need to get stuck in this snare before they realize, oh, this isn't a great idea.
Maybe there wasn't a good idea to cancel everybody.
I'm just thankful we didn't have that when I was a kid.
I mean, the earliest for me would be like MySpace.
I created a weird Star Wars fan site in like 1997 or something.
But, you know, how do you cancel?
That sounds really cool, Kyle.
I hang my head in shame.
I had my angel fire page.
I'm glad too.
I'm glad too.
I feel sad.
Imagine if everything you ever said in high school was out there right now.
Oh my gosh.
No, I can't even bear to think of what I said two years ago, which is why I have my thing set 500 days.
Some people don't.
Like, I appreciate that about Ben Shapiro.
He's never erased anything from his timeline, even though he has said, when I look back on some things that I've said, like 10 years ago when I first started, he's like, yeah, obviously I was really immature.
I mean, now he's a dad, he's a husband, he's a business owner.
When he first started, he was just some punk kid out of, you know, smart ass kid out of Harvard or wherever he went.
And, but he has committed to keeping that stuff up there.
He says, I think people should know that I've grown and I don't think I should run away from that, but I don't have that courage.
No.
I respect that.
Saying, yeah, we're leaving it up.
Yeah.
Leaving up the own tweet.
So he doesn't respect you, but he respects Ben Shapiro.
I respect that.
Believe all women.
It doesn't mean, yeah.
Right.
I respect it too.
Yeah.
I have great respect for it and I'm not brave enough for it.
I don't think so.
I'm not saying it's the way to go, but I'm saying, I respect you just going, yeah, you know what?
I do too.
Yeah.
We didn't really get into JK Rowling.
Wait, were we talking about being crazy about turf?
Oh my gosh.
We kind of went a little bit.
But isn't it insane how she's getting like, it's crazy.
It's Bizarro land.
She's getting like all the celebrities returning on her.
To think for, yeah, every person in her, what a group of little, ungrateful little so-and-so.
She made every last one of those little completely, she made them filthy rich.
Oh, yeah, her actors.
And full of privilege.
And the only thing she said was, women menstruate.
Men don't menstruate.
Women menstruate.
And for that, she is being excoriated.
Everybody that she made rich and famous and privileged as all get out has disowned her.
No one's even given her the benefit of like one statement and you don't even get the benefit of the doubt for how you live your life every day.
She's out there having to tell people, well, no, my friends are lesbians.
I have a trans friend.
I've donated to this.
She's having to prove.
Why prove that she's a good person?
You shouldn't have to prove to your friends and the people who know you that you're a good person because of one statement.
But to think we're in a place where when a woman says, I don't feel comfortable with the idea of men deciding what the female form is, then you're a turf.
You know, I never thought we would be here.
This is why I keep, this is why I say pray.
Pray for this nation.
This is chaos.
This is confusion.
And we can, we can roll over.
We can be Europe and we can say, well, we're done.
Or we can keep fighting about this.
I think we should keep fighting about it.
I do.
I don't think I were, it's so weird.
We're in this dark age.
We're in the age of information.
We've never had more information in our lives.
Yeah.
And now we're like totally in this age.
We're completely anti-science.
Yeah.
Anti-medicine, anti-medicine, it's bizarre.
Do you like Harry Potter?
No, I tried.
Reading, no, neither.
But now that she's a martyr for how we got to become gung-ho, because all of her fans were now daughter again.
All the Christians who burned the books and go now are reading it now, rebuying them.
It's actually a bit brilliant.
Yeah, she's getting them all to burn their books and then rebuy them.
She's all marketing.
She's going to be rich forever.
I read all the books and I've watched all the movies my wife is crazy about.
My wife and my daughter are.
I couldn't.
I tried with my kids.
I thought this would be a fun thing to read.
You know what I couldn't get around?
Is that the rules to Quidditch don't make any sense?
Is that what hung out?
He's obsessed with games.
It really broke the world building for me.
Like the whole rules of Quidditch make absolutely no sense because all you have to do is catch the golden snitch and win.
So this whole game where you're like, hey, the rules of football makes sense either.
I just don't get it.
It's like football.
Right.
It's like if you were playing.
Don't try to explain it to me.
It'll be the rest of the podcast.
Okay, so it's like a far away joke.
Okay, look.
Kyle gets really excited when he talks about games.
Listen, listen.
So you're playing football.
He goes up a little bit almost like a hot.
You're playing football, okay?
And you're trying to score your touchdowns or whatever.
And okay, we're winning 50 to 40.
He talks with his hands.
Listen, listen.
This ain't made it before.
See, this morning, him and Dan were talking about the Star Wars game they played last night.
And something he's like, he sounds like Sean Hannity.
Like, this is a score.
This isn't even a board game.
This is a screen.
I do need to know.
He likes talking.
He likes to do it.
Quidditch is like, seriously, though, what is the problem with Quidditch?
Okay, so in Quidditch, they're trying to hit these balls through these hoops.
Right.
So imagine football or basketball.
You're trying to score.
The teams are playing, but then someone's like throwing a ping pong ball back and forth across the court.
Yeah.
And if you catch the ping pong ball, your team immediately wins.
That's the rules of Quidditch.
They're trying to chase the ping-pong ball is the scooby thing.
The flying, the biggest.
So the golden snitch is flying around.
I also rolled all the vermicious nids.
If you catch it, you win the game.
Right.
So why are they even playing?
Yeah.
You know, you do make an interesting point.
I noticed that not because I watch Harry Potter, but because I watched this really great Vince Vaughan movie, the interns.
Okay.
Where him and Owen, what's his face?
Wilson.
Wilson are their older, kind of washed up salesman.
And so they go into Google's internship program and try to win.
An intern in one of the you're in a team and your team has to win.
And one of the events was a Quidditch match.
And then I remember thinking, like, we've just spent five minutes on this game.
And then at the end of the game, they're losing, but at the end of the game, all they have to do is catch this golden guy.
And I'm like, this seems really dumb, which is what their character said, too.
They were like, why didn't we just do all this?
Why didn't you just tell me to start with this?
So Vince Vaughn and Wilson agree with me.
It's a great movie.
If you haven't seen it, The Interns is actually a very sweet movie.
Anyway, it made me realize that she didn't understand.
She didn't really build her world out and she just wrote the story.
Yeah.
And then all the little references, she's like, oh, and she just makes up stuff later.
Yeah.
Which is where she got in trouble with conservatives and stuff because later on, she'd be like, oh, all these characters were gay.
Right.
Which is like, okay, whatever.
And that's, yeah, that's the thing is she's you can't, you don't pull much harder to the left than J.K. Rowling.
Yeah.
She's like total hardcore feminist and total, total like all my characters are gay and trans and diverse.
Everyone's gay.
If that's what you want, everyone's gay.
Like, she's happy.
And then it just took this one just to mention the biological functions of a woman's body was too much.
I mean, it's interesting that women are always the losers here.
Yeah.
And you know, if she was like an actor that had a contract on some show, she'd be canceled, fired, apologized.
But because she's got more money than that.
She owns all her properties.
She has all her own money.
She's her own boss.
She's the way to go.
You know, so that's that's pretty cool, actually.
Yeah.
She can afford to be in that position.
Yeah.
And you wonder how many other people that are just being quiet because they know if they said anything, they'd lose everything.
But now even being quiet isn't enough.
Silence is violent.
That's true.
Yeah, I just made you think about when she, because she released that big long statement about, you know, her position.
If you take a position that is not, you know, the position of the day, it's so much more work to make your case.
Yeah.
If you just go along with what's popular, whatever he's saying right now, you can just throw a meme up, just smart-ass comment, just be a jerk, and you're just...
You're a hero.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then you guys look into the replies to her tweets and stuff.
It's just like just cascades of just garbage, just people being the worst version of themselves.
It's terrible.
Terrible.
Terrible.
They feel so justified to be.
Yeah.
Not only that.
I guess so.
Not only that, but it's so pathetic and sad how many people have attached their self-worth to what a very rich white woman says about periods, you know?
You're reading a whole list of people who are like, I'm never going to read Harry Potter again.
This is the only thing that as a gay or trans or whatever your outlying identity is, this was the only refuge I had as a kid was this fantasy world.
And now I'll never read it the same.
You've hurt me.
And I'm just like, oh my gosh, how sad and lonely you must be if your whole identity was wrapped up in this one author, in this one.
Agreeing with all your politics.
Yeah, this one book.
Or even she doesn't, she's the author, but you can read the character still.
Right.
It's so bizarre.
I understand how their minds work.
We were talking about earlier.
If we thought about it like that, like if we were like, you know, we can only read.
Yeah.
We can only watch movies with so disappointed.
I just found out that James Cameron's liberal?
What?
Oh, no.
And now I have to die, delete all his movies.
I can never watch another Terminator.
And then you just sit on Twitter when you put in a tweet or anything and you reply, turf.
Yeah.
Or whatever.
I will never be able to watch.
You're garbage now.
You're human garbage.
Avatar is worthless.
Well, that's true.
Definitely.
That's just because.
That's sad.
It's very sad.
Again, going back to even though my kids might stray from my own political ideologies, I do think we've, where we have gone right, is provided them with an identity that is they're Davis's.
They're Christians.
You know, they're part of this kingdom.
They're American and they're black.
You know, these are solid identity, identifying points that are immutable.
They don't change.
They're not based on how good or bad you are.
There's a lot of kids out there that don't have that comfort.
And reading J.K. Rowley's timeline was so sad to me.
So sad.
Like every person who was saying I'll never read Harry Potter again, I just thought, I literally thought as a mom, like my mom's heart was like, this person needs a hug.
This person needs someone to say, you don't need J.K. Rowling to affirm who you are.
You don't need anyone for that.
Yeah, why can't you just enjoy the fact that she made a book about magic kids and enjoyed it?
Right.
I'll skip that now and then I just discovered the guy they made, Axe Cop, is a horrible, you know, they'll call me like a right-wing poop bag, but I'll say it with more badder words than that.
He's a poop bag.
More bad words.
A lot more batter words.
And, you know, now I can't enjoy any of his stuff.
Yeah.
Well, none of the stuff I made is about any of my views.
It's just, it's about something we can all agree on.
You know what?
Childhood's funny.
The people, everybody that makes your favorite movie or your favorite TV show, Ethan, you know, this is a horrible person.
Yeah.
Like in every way, there is someone on the TV show that you watch that.
Forget about their ideology.
They probably do some pretty sick and horrible things at home that would shock you.
I mean, that was like the whole when the Me Too movement started up.
How many of those people were massive scumbags?
And they just, yep, they were just virtue signal liberal views on everything.
Yeah.
So as long as you say the right stuff, you're fine.
Well, I think that's another reason.
The most empty people.
That's how they work.
The most empty, the most empty people.
Exactly.
And there's no one you should look to.
There's no one you should look to in Hollywood and say, I want to be like that person.
You should only enjoy Kirk Cameron.
Yeah.
Sad to hear that you're anti-Kirk Cameron.
I mean, he's probably a really nice guy.
I've never once looked at Kirk Cameron and thought, I need to be more like Kirk Cameron.
What about the Hercules guy?
Kevin Sorbo, I know.
Kevin Sorbo.
Yeah.
I like him.
I don't want to be like him.
I like him.
I like him.
Him and his wife Sam Sorbo.
What are you Googling?
Christians in Carmen.
Carmen.
He's not in Hollywood.
Have we talked about Carmen with her yet?
I was just going to ask if we don't think we did our 10 questions.
Yeah, we still got to do your 10 questions.
Okay, let's do our 10 questions.
I don't know how long we've been doing this.
How long are we supposed to be?
I don't know.
I don't know.
Time flies.
I can't tell what time it is.
Probably getting close, but Kevin Sorbo.
What about him?
I don't know.
He's a Christian at home.
He's a Christian, and his wife, Sam Sorbo, is a huge advocate for homeschooling and school choice.
I love them both.
So you don't want to be more like them?
This is about yourself.
No, no, no.
I'm fine with who I am.
They should be more like me.
No, no.
No, I've never had anything but pleasant and wonderful interactions with them, but surely there are things in their lives that would disappoint somebody, just like there are things in my life that would disappoint people.
You know, it's dangerous to look at people as examples, which is another problem, right?
With the culture.
We've pulled God out of that position.
And what replaces God?
People.
People are always going to disappoint you.
Every time I Google Christians in Hollywood, like all the results are obviously not Christians.
Like all of them.
Like who?
Well, I guess I should say that.
Yeah, you don't know.
But like, okay, obviously Chris Pratt's always on there.
Yeah.
Tom Hanks always pops up.
Which is just like, I've never seen it.
Maybe he's like Presbyterian or something.
Yeah.
They always like, they were raised.
So this Mr. Rogers, who's Jennifer Lawrence?
Right, because she's from Kentucky and everybody in Kentucky is Christian.
Matthew McConaughey.
Yeah, Texas.
Do you know all this?
You know where all these people are?
I have an unhealthy obsession with celebrity culture.
So I drove by all their addresses.
I wish I got silent there for us.
Well, I don't have their addresses and I don't drive by their houses on a regular basis to look to see if they're coming out to put the trash out.
Have you ever done the Hollywood bus tour?
Really?
I've never done that.
I was just photos.
I took my mom on a couple.
It's actually fun to do your touristy stuff when people come in.
You see the city from a different light.
But I love celebrity culture.
So yeah, I like I, the gossip items, blind gossip items.
Ethan, you don't know what the blind items are?
Blind gossip?
Watching the blind people?
No, it's not.
This guy is reading broken.
You suffer seeing impaired people.
It's gossip that is, that is, the subject of the gossip is obscured.
So you have to guess who it is, but it's hot tips from people in Hollywood.
Okay.
So you can look up blind items and it's blazing over on this.
I don't know if.
Anyways, I know who else is on there.
This is how I know a lot of useless information about celebrities.
I'm addicted to celebrity gossip.
Do you buy those magazines at the beginning of the grocery store line?
Do you buy them?
I don't know.
I know.
But I don't understand what the appeal is, but they're right there.
So a lot of people must buy them.
Are you on the same?
They're huge sellers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You buy them?
No.
I'll get all my information.
I can get all that online now.
Yeah, that's true.
I did.
Now I can go online.
And now I can get tips directly from the mouths of some celebrities.
Some celebrities like to do that.
They'll call in tips to this line because it's the only way they can really tell the truth about what's going on.
So they're anonymous and the gossip is anonymous.
And they'll give clues like this A-lister who just divorced a B-list star who is a reality TV star was caught using Coke in the McDonald's bathroom on Sunset Boulevard or something like that.
And you'll have to guess.
They'll give you clues and you have to guess.
Sounds like a game.
It is kind of like a game.
A game, did you say?
Kyle's perking up again.
The game is afoot.
So Christian Slater was picking his nose the other day with the corner of his napkin.
Let's see.
What do I have?
Info on Christian Slater is that he, so recently, Christian Slater was.
You don't even know who he is anymore?
He's a Christian.
Yeah, he was on Mr. Robot.
What was his name?
Oh, Mr. Robot.
Mr. Robot is big.
Mr. Robot was big.
I lost interest pretty quickly, though.
Because Sam Eshmel.
Is that the main guy?
The guy with the big eyes.
Sam Eshmel is the director and the writer.
We shouldn't have been.
He should have just been the writer or just been the director.
But second season, they gave him both, and then it was just all navel gazing.
It was just Sam like looking at himself in the mirror.
I'm a big Sam Eshmel fan, but I don't think he should be doing all the roles in his work.
So Carrie Underwood is a Christian?
Yeah, and I was driving by the sign on here by that arena and it says, every day is a new day in quotes.
And then it says, Carrie Underwood.
He created that?
And I'm like, I doubt Carrie Underwood created that.
I made that up, huh?
And that's, is that even who anybody thinks when you hear the quote, every day is a new day?
Here's an inspirational quote from Carrie Underwood.
The sun will rise tomorrow.
Yeah, and it's like, but just because you said it doesn't mean that you can put your quotes out.
Things are going to be all right, Carrie.
Things are going to be all right.
Maybe she bought the rights to it.
She's pretty rich.
That was like I heard the Medea guy.
What's his name?
Tyler Perry?
Yeah, I was getting it.
I want to call him Tyler the Creator, but that's the other guy.
Oh, no.
They're way different.
Tyler and Thagad.
But then I get Tyler.
Shout out.
And then I get Tyler the Creator mixed up with Chance the Rapper.
Oh, yeah, Chancellor.
What's Chance the Rapper?
I don't know how much you guys know about that guy.
He is hilarious.
Oh, yeah.
Because he's a Christian.
Like, he's a for real born-again Christian, but he's also a rap artist, like a secular artist.
And my husband and I were just watching this show called Rhythm and Flow on Netflix, and it's a rap reality show, like a competition.
It's got T.I. is a judge, Cardi B is a judge, and Chance the Rapper is a judge.
Like letters.
It's actually a pretty good show.
It's really creative.
But Chance the Rapper, he would crack me and my husband up because every time someone even got a little bit offensive, he'd be like, nah, I don't like that devil stuff.
One guy wanted to record.
A video in a church.
So he recorded his video and it was a.
It had faith themes in it.
So he recorded it in a church and he was like Nasi, you got to be careful about recording in the church because these editors and stuff out here they're godless and they'll take it and they'll turn it in.
I don't like that devil stuff.
They'll turn it into devil stuff.
He was not into devil stuff, he's the best.
I wonder if rapper names are assigned, like in some big ceremony, kind of like the you know native Americans, they get their name like you are, you are Sitting Bull or whatever there.
Is that how that happens?
Okay, i'm not.
Does someone name them or do they pick them?
I'm telling you guys the truth here.
Okay, i've actually not that you're the expert.
I'm not saying anything about you being the expert.
Oh really okay you're, also because i'm black.
You just rattled off a bunch of rappers, so i'm just maybe you know, I don't know um, i'm gonna sound like I know okay, but I heard years ago heard a really fascinating NPR UM report.
It was with a sociologist who explored how we get our names and one of the things that they that this.
It was a woman and what she did was she studied the history of African-american names.
Why so?
We joke like, oh it's Shiniqua or Aquanetta or something, but she was like there's actually a very long tradition behind that.
We might not recognize it anymore, but it feeds into that idea.
Those rapper names, is that because in African cultures which I know is a very generic term, because Africa is a continent, not a country but in most African cultures, you know, it wasn't about last name or even where you were from, but it was kind of about your function and and so that there was a legacy in that.
And even if you go on facebook, like almost all of my black friends have some kind of interesting middle name, it's not their real middle name, it's their facebook name.
My niece is Tiffany Cayenne or um, my Spicy Old yeah, my old UH, youth group got a kid is figuring it out.
You know translating.
Yeah, Floyd the, the barber, like just it's that same tradition of aligning yourself with your, with your function, not necessarily your.
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Break it down, pick a side right now I don't know Who do you side with?
I won't listen to other conservative commentators.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Who's the worst one?
No.
He's flying trailing a spider on a spider web behind him.
The spider's floating through the air.
Carried?
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