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May 6, 2026 - Alex Jones Live
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Alex Jones - MUST-WATCH WEDNESDAY FULL SHOW: FBI Director Says UFO/Alien Disclosur...

Alex Jones and Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins dissect the CIA's alleged funding of terror groups, Operation Gladio, and JFK's assassination. They warn that AI data centers will drain aquifers, trigger robot takeovers, and pose an extinction risk 100 times higher than nuclear war. The discussion links Epstein files, UFO disclosures, and election fraud to a globalist agenda, concluding that humanity faces enslavement or obsolescence unless they resist these emerging digital and geopolitical threats. [Automatically generated summary]

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alex jones
infowars 01:50:33
col roxane towner-watkins
39:21
drew spartz
26:30
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admin 02:10
joe rogan
00:31
kash patel
admin 01:10
ro khanna
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sean hannity
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ted turner
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will hollingsworth
03:33
yuval noah harari
00:59
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aaron rodgers
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ben collins
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chris mattei
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elon musk
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eric moutsos
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jack clark
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marco rubio
admin 00:23
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max tegmark
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mustafa suleyman
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sundar pichai
google 00:07
tim heidecker
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Tomorrow's News Today.
receiving this transmission you are the resistance Discover trends and global developments years before they happen right here on The Alex Jones Show.
alex jones
And gentlemen, it is Wednesday, May 6, 2026.
I am your host, Alex Jones, coming to you from deep in the heart of Texas, broadcasting worldwide.
All right, we have a huge insider, military, CIA, you name it, colonel joining us in the second hour to get into how the West, Israel, United States, Europe, has always been behind Al Qaeda, ISIS, and all these other so called radical Islamic groups.
And they are radical and terrible, but.
It's part of a larger plan.
That'll be a very important deep dive that gets into all the things happening in the Middle East and more.
Tell you about that individual coming up in the next segment.
I also intend to open the phones up today and take a lot of your phone calls about all the big issues that are unfolding.
Obviously, we're just seeing a replay 67 days into the war that Israel drug us into with Iran, with Trump saying a deal is imminent yet again.
And Iran says, no, it's not.
We're not accepting what you're asking us to do.
Why do you keep saying that there's a deal when there's not?
And it just, no presidents ever act like this.
It is not a good way to get deals.
It is a way to discredit the country.
And Trump has never behaved like this before.
That's because he came into this flat footed, he believed Benjamin Netanyahu, the war would last four days, and it's come out in leaks.
And I know people that have been in the meetings, he is beside himself.
And he should be.
Well, you got a clip of Marco Rubio coming up next segment.
I'll get into all this.
Says the goal of the war in Iran is now to restore it back to the way it was.
That's a quote.
Before we started the war, or Israel drug us into it.
Just incredible.
U.S. and Iran closing in on one page memo to end war, says the U.S. government.
Rubio declares offensive stage of war over.
We've already heard that a bunch.
So that's.
Trump has declared the war over 31 times.
Rubio's did it a bunch, too.
So he just did it again.
I got video of that.
It's just bizarre.
Hey, I'll bet you money we're still at war in a month.
Trump keeps changing his timeline for ending the war.
Yeah, I think so.
Iran.
Has hit far more U.S. bases than reported satellite images show.
That's all being documented.
I told you that a month ago.
So this is serious.
U.S. gasoline tops $4.50 as shock and awe level approaches.
It's over $7 in California.
UK faces summer flight disruptions as jet fuel risk mount.
Tried to running out in other parts of the world, like Australia.
Iran blasts unrealistic White House with lists to end the war.
U.S. touts close to deal.
Trump pauses Project Freedom made great progress towards complete and final agreement with Iran.
So, not good.
I mean, I hope it actually happens.
Israel says preparing for escalation with Iran didn't know the deal was close.
Series of targets ready.
Trump told schoolchildren at the White House, the Oval Office, Iran was two weeks away from killing you.
You can't make this stuff up.
Meanwhile, Moscow targeted by over 50 drones, country's second biggest refinery on fire.
Yeah, that's just the military news.
I'll play those clips, finish up with this, but move quickly out of it into all the other news, like Ted Turner dying.
We'll be back.
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I am your embattled host, coming to you from the new Alex Jones Network Studios in Austin, Texas.
Despite all of the CIA and DOJ's declassified plans to shut us up and silence us, they have failed.
So please remember, we're having record numbers of new people tune in and find the show.
But I'm still getting flooded with calls and emails and on the street and all over X. Where's Alex Jones?
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Wednesday live FBI director says UFO alien disclosure imminent as major religious leaders tell the public prepare for faith to be shaken.
That's a quote.
In major victory for America first, seven rhino senators defeated Indiana.
Sweet.
Plus, Iran contradicts Trump's latest claim that peace deal is close and so much more.
Also, we've got the mother.
Of El Nino forming out in the Pacific.
And that means throughout the summer and next year, massive amounts of rain in the west and in the south, the central part and the east will be hit with drought up into Canada.
This is how it always works.
And we'll have a very weak hurricane season.
But they're saying it's already on track to be the strongest El Nino ever recorded.
A lot of weird stuff happening in the jet stream and in the different currents in the ocean.
As astrophysicists and meteorologists and others have been on the show, warning these are real facts.
Not Al Gore fear mongering.
The sky's falling because of cow farts to pay him a carbon tax.
Storm Seas is here, and the National Weather Service is shorthanded.
What does the National Weather Service do?
Hype a bunch of fear?
Give all the private meteorologists and satellites we know what's going on.
And again, the political operatives tell you polar bears can't swim and have all died because of global warming, the ice caps have all melted.
Total and complete crap.
We'll be getting into that.
Also, Congress right now is grilling Ludnick and others on the continued cover up of the Epstein files as Palm Beach hearing, Bondi and Gates testimony looms.
Lawmakers demand full subpoenas, stumble onto Podesta being involved.
Oh, big surprise.
I told you, remember the WikiLeaks and Pizzagate?
It's all part of the same thing.
And New York's like the headquarters of it here in the United States, London's the headquarters in the UK.
Brussels, Belgium is the headquarters of pedophilia, along with Paris in Europe.
It is sick.
And I just call balls and strikes.
We have record lowering of housing prices because a lot of the stuff Trump did that was right.
ADP, America's largest payroll company, signals biggest job addition in 15 months.
Inflation was starting to slow until this damn war.
We got to get this thing shut down quick because if this recovery fails, we go bankrupt and the globalists have the great reset.
Got a bunch of news there.
So again, the old Trump, the first six, seven, eight months, did all this insane stuff, is why I was having political orgasms on air.
And people were nitpicking stuff, and I was getting mad at him.
Then he fires Musk, kicks him out.
Charlie Kirk dies, and everything starts going sideways.
But just the stuff he did the first seven, eight months is now paying off.
And boy, I wish we could get the old Trump back before Israel pulled his chain with, I think it's pretty clear, Epstein stuff that he's covering for other people, not himself, from any evidence we've seen.
But listeners will ask, well, why are you going to cover this positive stuff Trump did?
You're saying he's mad.
No, I'm not.
People are so black and white.
Trump's still better than Democrats in many ways.
I'm simply in his face and his grill to try to get him to course correct, to not let Israel lead us into total war, which they've been trying to do.
That's why I said, if you keep saying you'll destroy them in one day and kill everybody in Iran, that's a war crime.
You're going to bomb water treatment plants, that's a war crime.
Don't do it.
Don't destroy yourself and us with you.
And America's image in the world and help the globalists kill the economy.
If you keep doing this, you're insane.
You should be 25th Amendmented.
And then he backed off.
But it was strong medicine for a serious disease, megalomania or whatever it is.
But I've got, I mean, this Indiana situation Trump launched this right when he got in, got the GOP to put in tens of millions of dollars to primary these neocons, and all seven of them lost.
And he's already.
Paid it forward in a bunch of other states.
This is happening too.
But all of a sudden, the last few months, suddenly the GOP and the RNC isn't continuing those policies.
So at a certain point, the swamp got back in control.
But just what Trump did in the first seven, eight months is paying off big time.
Boy, could we just get that guy back.
So we'll be getting into all of that in great detail.
And I mentioned this three days ago.
And again, yesterday I got busy and didn't hit it, but I got to hit this.
Because it's just a microcosm of the divide and conquer by the corporate media.
60 Minutes goes around the country and says, Oh, criticism of FEMA, saying we're not going to serve white people, which came out in their documents, and just all this other horrible crap.
That's all secretly white supremacists brainwashing everyone.
It's just absolutely insane.
We got big news on the AI data centers, huge developments there.
We got Islamists rioting in New York.
We've got.
Megyn Kelly coming out and saying, I love getting rid of my old neocon listeners and I love my new Muslim listeners.
And Tucker's right, Islam's not a threat.
That's not what Tucker says.
Tucker's talking about like the UAE and reform groups and things.
Obviously, still, there's Orthodox expanding Islam.
So again, people are taking this tack that, well, we're against Israel and all the bad stuff it's doing.
So now we're for the Muslims.
And she actually says that.
She says, You're for the Muslims or you're for Israel.
I'm against the Likudniks and what Netanyahu's doing, and he's terrible and horrible, trying to run our country.
But just because the Muslims hate them and they hate the Muslims doesn't mean then we have to pick a side.
Like you're driving through a town, there's two restaurants and you've gotten food poisoning in both of them.
You don't go to either one, there's a bunch of other restaurants down the road.
So I just, the way the public's brain works, I mean, not everybody, but it's just so dumbed down.
Because every time I talk about expanding Islam and horrible things the Muslims are doing, I see the comments everywhere Oh, you're for Israel.
What does that even mean?
Explain it this way.
We have water moccasins and rattlesnakes in Texas.
Okay.
So you see them all the time.
You're on the lake, you see the water moccasins.
You're out in the woods or the brush, you'll see rattlesnakes routinely.
I saw one a week and a half ago.
A maintenance truck from the county pulls out on the road, and this huge rattlesnake falls out from under it and slithers off into the bushes like seven feet long.
It's huge, huge diamondback.
I was like 60, 70 feet away, but I mean, I saw that big old end of its tail was a huge rattle shot into the brush in the woods.
It's like, do you want to be thrown in a pit with rattlesnakes or water moccasins?
And they're like, well, I'm with the rattlesnake.
Well, I'm with the water moccasin.
How about I don't want to be thrown into a pit with either one?
Netanyahu is a water moccasin, and the Muslims are a rattlesnake.
Let's use this analogy I got a glass of cyanide or a glass of arsenic.
Each one is fatal.
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Okay?
alex jones
One kills you quicker than the other.
Which one do you want to drink?
How about I don't want either one?
See, I just, where is the logic here?
But this Israel hate has gotten to such a point that you see all the OG Israel haters, not all of them, Fuentes doesn't do it, saying, we got to join with Islam against the common enemy.
Yeah, the Jews.
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What?
alex jones
How about no foreign funding to any of those groups?
And if they all want to kill each other, they can just stay over there.
How about that?
How about you don't draft me into your paradigm where I'm supposed to go, oh, I can wear a Canali suit or I can wear a Hugo Boss suit?
How about I don't want to wear a suit today?
You see, it's, it's, it's, it's, and I know most of you are like, yeah, this is elementary, but, but you see the totally mindless thinking everywhere.
It's completely out of control.
Now, I want to finish up with the Iran situation.
It's just more of the same, but it's, we got some new developments.
And then when we go to break, I'm going to come back with Ted Turner's death.
And I've got some choice words to talk about there.
Trump's praising him as the greatest ever.
And then I'm going to get into the big one.
And that is religious leaders told prepare now for UFO disclosure to unleash Bible challenging revelations.
They're saying the public should be prepared to have their faith shaken.
That's the talking point.
Sean Hannity talks about it with Kash Patel, the FBI director, who says, oh, he sent the first big tranche.
To under Trump's orders to officially be declassified in weeks.
So we're going to be looking at that and the ramifications.
And I can tell you where this is going by the pre programming everywhere.
That's how we're tomorrow's news today.
But before I go any further, we're all in this together.
I need your help on a couple of points.
And I already mentioned this earlier, but I got to just keep doing it.
We are having massive numbers of new listeners, listenership is way up, but there are a lot of lost people out there.
Who weren't paying enough attention, and they're like, Oh, I'm so sad Alex Jones is off the air.
And where do we find him?
A guy a few days ago, like I said, at the gas station, came over and said, Oh, I'm sorry you're off the air, but they didn't do so wrong.
I'm like, I'm not off the air.
AlexJonesLive.com.
AlexJonesLive.com.
And so we got the satellites.
We're on the same radio stations, TV stations.
InfoWars is not there anymore.
There is AlexJonesLive.com with the video feeds, the articles, the reports, everything.
Okay.
Harrison Smith's there, all that.
And we're going to build back the reporters and more shows, even when you support us, what you're doing.
So I thank you and I salute you.
And we are in legal battles with these folks who have openly said they want to steal my identity.
They claim they own anything I ever did before, and they said they want to take it all offline.
Well, I've always put up licenses on the site, free to air, and set on air and put out contracts saying there's a global non exclusive license to everything I've ever said or done on TV, radio, written you name it.
You can publish a book and say it's copyright free, and this is a gift to the world.
A lot of Bible publishers do that.
And I did that 26, seven years ago because I had all these commercial stations people wanted to put my documentaries on and access shows that wanted to grab my radio show and put the audio on.
And they would make them get a contract.
And I was every day getting a letter or calling somebody back or faxing them a letter saying, Yes, you can air this.
And the access stations would harass them and say, We want proof.
Have Jones call us.
And so I got lawyers finally.
This is like 27 years ago.
We launched InfoWars.
And I put the contracts on the website and I would update it every few years saying, You have a non exclusive license, meaning I still own it, but you can use it however you want, in any way you want, in whole or in part.
And it's the same thing with the new show.
Out of the gates here, okay?
That's one of the contract reasons of my employer.
I said, my show's free to air and it belongs to the world.
Absolutely.
And that came out of me just wanting to get it out to everybody, okay?
So then you can't come then take over somebody's company and say you're going to have their identity and say that you're going to totally block them out.
And we're getting reports all over before the Onion even officially got it, which they haven't.
They've been blocked for a second time in court.
Remember, they ran the fraudulent auction a year and a half ago and got caught.
And I'm getting the documents together, but I've confirmed that they're going around doing fake copyright claims saying, hey, take this down.
Now, it's all a bluff, but a lot of people are, oh, gosh, I will.
That's going to be a major action in court as well.
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Okay.
alex jones
They're still selling InfoWars gear for three weeks, and they don't even have it.
The Court of Appeals blocked it.
I mean, these people are nuts.
But I'm wearing his skin, the guy says.
He owns me and we own the name Alex Jones.
Oh, they put in the federal filing Friday at the Texas Supreme Court.
They said Jones is violating our property using the name Alex Jones.
I showed it to you.
It was in the Austin American Statesman two days ago.
I'm using my own name.
You can't take somebody's name unless they sign a 360 agreement like Prince did with Sony.
And they said, We own your likeness.
We own the name Prince.
We own your music, your catalog forever.
And then, when he decided to break his contract and leave, he had to save the artist formerly known as Prince.
I didn't sign the 360 contract with anybody.
I made a contract with you, with America and the world from day one that this is free to air, copyright free, belongs to you.
Period.
And then they got the nerve, remember, a year and a half ago in court when they lost one of the many times, that they said 13th Amendment does not apply to Alex Jones.
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That's the.
alex jones
Abolition of slavery.
It actually says that in the following.
It's in the Bloomberg articles.
You can read it.
Because our argument was you can't have my name.
That's the 13th Amendment.
That's slavery.
And they said, well, it doesn't apply to you.
And of course, the federal court struck it down.
Well, they're back in Judge Guerrero Gamble's court and at the Texas court, Supreme Court, saying, we own the name Alex Jones.
It's in the filing.
We showed it to you two days ago.
That reprint me that stakes my article.
We'll get it ready to put it back up.
We can show you the filing if you want.
I mean, in fact, my lawyers authorized me yesterday to post our filings.
Even though they're public, you can find them in the federal site and state.
I still want to check with them.
It's got a lot of exhibits and things.
I'm going to get around to that today, posting it on X. I'm going to do a report on that.
Hell, I'll just print out.
You know what?
I'm going to give you guys the filings and you can print them out and I'll give you the digital copy.
And then we'll do some coverage of that because it's very newsworthy them coming in and saying, We own your likeness, your name.
We're going to wear your skin.
13th Amendment doesn't apply.
That's how cuckoo they are.
But they think because I'm so demonized in their own leftist world that it's okay to set the precedent.
Yeah, there's the article.
Alex Jones transferred M4's assets to his show, website standing in the family state, which, no, that's even true.
And they said we stole equipment.
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alex jones
None of that's true.
They just made all this up.
But in the article, it's got a quote out of there saying he can't say he's the Alex Jones show.
What the hell are you talking about?
Good luck.
Good luck with that one.
So this is the type of just Control F Alex Jones show.
It'll come up.
Just do Control F Alex Jones show, word search.
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You'll pull up the partner for him.
Put that on Screamer Fox.
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All right.
I mentioned these clips, so let's just play them so they're on the record.
Here's Rubio saying we've got to make this deal to get it back to where it was before the war started.
That's crazy that Israel drug us into.
Then we've got Trump.
Well, these statements speak for themselves.
So go ahead and play clip 13, 9, and 16.
Here they are.
marco rubio
As President Trump has said, and the facts clearly bear out, the United States of America holds all the cards.
There is no scenario here.
In which, if they decide to join a ladder of escalation, they wind up getting the last say.
But our preference is for these straits to be opened to the way they're supposed to be opened, back to the way it was.
Anyone can use it, no mines in the water, nobody paying tolls.
That's what we have to get back to, and that's the goal here.
donald j trump
We just broke every record, and now we're going to take a hit because we have to make a journey down to Iran to take the nuclear weapon.
They would have had a nuclear weapon within two weeks.
Remember, we sent that beautiful B 2 bomber in, and we blew up.
Their nuclear potential.
It was obliterated for those that are not aware, and to a point where it would take them weeks to dig down, and we wouldn't let them dig down.
We have our eyes on it all the time.
But it was a very important thing.
So we would have had an Iran with a nuclear weapon, and maybe we wouldn't all be here right now.
I can tell you the Middle East would have been gone, Israel would have been gone, and they would have trained their sites on Europe first and then us, because.
They're sick people.
These are sick people.
And we're not going to let lunatics have a nuclear weapon.
The power of a nuclear weapon is something I don't even want to talk about.
It's not going to happen.
And we have beaten them badly.
alex jones
We'll be back with more of this.
I'm going to shift gears to the other big topics.
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I went to these Trump clips late, so I only played part of it.
So, I just want to finish up with Trump and his statements about Iran.
And Iran's like, no, we've not made a deal.
Why do you keep saying that?
And Trump does that, trying to keep the stock market up and energy prices down.
It's not working with the energy.
Trump used to have a lot of credibility with world leaders, even though they disagreed with him.
He would do what he said in deals, he didn't used to do this.
The left always accuses him of lying and flip flopping.
That's not true.
Very consistent.
So we'll be covering that more as it unfolds.
Again, they're having closed door Epstein hearings right now, and that ties in to all these different Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove and all the rest of it.
We've got some developments with Joe Rogan on that front.
But I'm going to talk about Ted Turner and play a clip of him on Charlie Rose coming up here in a few minutes.
But let's go ahead and finish up a restart clip.
16, here it is.
unidentified
You said recently that if Iran and Iranians were armed, they could take over their regime.
Do you plan to arm them soon?
donald j trump
Well, I don't want to say that, but yeah, I mean, people say, why aren't they protesting?
They want to protest, but they don't have any guns.
So you could have 200,000 people protesting and have five or six sick people with guns, and when they start shooting them right between the eyes, and you see a guy fall and another one fall, and you have no guns, very few people would be able to.
Stand there and do it.
I mean, I understand it.
I tell them not to.
Don't forget, they killed 42,000 people last month 42,000 unarmed protesters.
They had no guns.
So they had a 250,000 people crowd.
And they had snipers.
They had like four or five snipers in buildings up high.
And you're standing there, and all of a sudden the guy on your left goes down.
And somebody, that's what happened with a woman protest.
They had 200,000 women protesting a year ago.
And I really thought that was the end of Iran.
And then all of a sudden, a woman dropped dead with a bullet right there, always right there.
Then another woman dropped, and then the word started to spread, and then there was panic, and then they ran and, you know, I don't want that to happen.
We don't need that, you know, we don't need it.
But the only reason that they want to protest so badly, but they don't have weapons.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
Now, the Iranians do a lot of bad stuff and don't support the MOLIS, and they do kill their political opposition.
But we knew back when this all started, it's been going on for years, but intensified with Midnight Hammer in the summer last year, and then now this operation, the last 67 days, that they're saying, oh, 30,000, 40,000 killed.
And the best independent numbers we have were about 1,000.
And then the reports we got from international groups and even anti Iranian groups, but that are more accurate than our media, was that guns had been given to them and they were going and shooting the police and military.
Well, then a few weeks ago, Trump gets up and they all admit, yeah, we delivered them a bunch of guns, but most of them got stolen by the people we delivered them to.
So we're going to do something about that.
So there you go.
It's not just unarmed protesters, which they do shoot sometimes, but usually they'll shoot a couple to make everybody flee, and that's still terrible.
Then they say, Dolphins.
Oh, they're going to blow dolphins up.
They're so mean.
And there's no evidence they even have a marine mammal program.
The U.S. has the biggest, and Russia and China have them.
And we're the best.
We have dolphins that do plant mines and Do suicide bomb.
They're trained to do that because they drill and drill and drill when there's not a real bomb.
And then the time they go out with the bomb, they don't know and they detonate up against the hull.
So that's a little mean to the dolphin.
But the point is look at those Iranians.
They're being mean to the dolphins.
They use them as weapons when we're the king daddy of it.
It's propaganda.
Like Saddam throwing babies out of incubators in 1990 in Kuwait, stomping their brains out.
It was a PR firm.
The girl had never been to.
Iraq or Kuwait, or dad was head propagandist for the Pentagon and for Kuwait.
It was a lie.
White House insists Iran war is over even while missiles fly.
And I hate to agree with the New York Times, but usually they had to lie about Trump.
Now they can just point at what Trump's doing.
30 plus times.
I can't even keep track of it anymore.
That he's saying it's over, Rubio's saying it's over, and they just do it over and over and over again.
It is beyond frustrating.
And then the neocons go, You're really an Iranian or Qatari agent.
If you point this out, you're just undermining our morale.
We're winning.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
What's the objective?
Regime change.
But it's illegal to privately strike a country for that.
So you go, Oh, it's to get their WMDs.
And oh, just like Iraq.
In 2003, it's the same story, the same lies, just a new country's name added onto it.
He's changed the last letter from Iraq and Iran and just rolls over to the same deal.
Why do you like the Muslims?
We got to fight them over there instead of over here.
We've got 15 times the Muslims on average in Canada, the US, Europe, the UK than we had in 2001.
We went to fight them over there and then bring them all over here.
No, they're not fighting Islam, folks.
The globalists are behind it.
They just put the head of Al Qaeda a year and a half ago in charge of Syria.
Remember that?
I'll be getting to that with our guests next hour.
Now, moving on.
Ted Turner, who had at least five children in wedlock, reportedly a bunch of others, and giant mansions all over the world and a huge carbon footprint, he was one of the first billionaires to publicly, 35, 40 years ago, put billions of dollars into tax free foundations to get out of paying taxes, but use the profit from it to fund eugenics, sterilization, sterilization vaccines.
And he was very open about it.
And he reportedly was the one, it's his initials on the trust, right by the farm where his grandmother lived, where he grew up most of the time, right outside Atlanta, Georgia.
In fact, we can pull up footage of when I visited Georgia Guidestones, and a few months later, somebody blew him up.
It wasn't us.
But I did pray publicly.
I said, I pray that God send a destruction onto this entire agenda.
And I walked up as I prayed publicly and struck.
The stone and somebody went and blew it up.
But the point is, it had inscribed in all these languages depopulate the earth down to 500 million people, a 90 plus percent reduction.
We're now at 10 billion.
But somebody blew it up.
But he publicly stated over and over again that he wanted to have depopulation.
And Prince Charles and his dad, Prince Philip, all said that.
Bill Gates, his mother, and dad were on the main board of Planned Parenthood and on the World Eugenics Society, funded and created by.
Thomas Watson of IBM.
That's who this cult is.
That's who these people are.
So they're telling you about, oh, if you don't give in to world government and all this love is in it, you're a Nazi.
Well, this is beyond the Nazis.
The Nazis' defense at Nuremberg was that they got all this from the British and the U.S. and Margaret Sanger, which was true.
But the Nazis just want to target certain groups.
The globalists want to target everybody.
They're mad scientists, they're depopulationists.
That's what Fauci is.
That's who they are.
And so it's emblematic that got blown up a few years ago.
And then now, CNN founder and liberal billionaire Ted Turner is dead.
He's the guy that invented the 24 hour news cycle, cable news, and he is as dead as a doornail.
Trump came out and praised him.
Got the statement right here on True Social.
Ted Turner, one of the greats of all time, just died.
He founded CNN, sold it, and was personally devastated by the deal because the new censorship took CNN, as if he didn't support that, his baby, and destroyed it.
It became woke and everything that he is not all about.
Maybe the new buyers, wonderful people, will be able to bring it back to its former credibility and glory.
Regardless, however, one of the great broadcasts of history and a friend of mine, whether I needed him, whenever I needed him, he was there, always willing to fight for a good cause, President Donald John Trump.
So he likes it.
And here is Christina Amanpour, the big globalist.
Amanpour lays out fears for CNN after takeover.
Let me give Amanpour and Trump a little newsflash because they're both very, very old.
CNN has about 100,000 viewers, average show.
MSNBC, about 200,000.
That's on a good day.
Fox, a little less than a million for their average show.
Their top show, 4 million.
To boomers and really old people, They think this is the media.
They think this is everything.
There are thousands of podcasters and broadcasters that individually are bigger than these networks by themselves.
They've done studies.
Joe Rogan's 40 something times his show than all CNN viewers per day.
I mean, CNN's only got five or six million viewers a day.
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alex jones
It's a joke.
Okay?
It's a total, complete fraud.
And so she's worried about it being taken over.
It doesn't exist, lady.
Almost no one watches it.
But it's like this facade where the power structure acts like they have all this power.
It's this facade where they act like they can convince us that still this is the establishment.
Worldview.
And really, what it is is a dispatch for talking points.
It's a joke.
And so Trump says, oh, bring it back to its former glory.
It's not coming back.
Cable news, cable itself is dying.
That's well known for over a decade.
These people don't get it, they don't understand it.
Now, you could use the production crew and all the people in the studios.
For a multimedia system and still have something on cable, but they all focus on cable, cable, cable, and the old news model, it's dead.
This is like dinosaurs, you know, millions of years after they're extinct, dreaming of being resurrected, but they don't even know that they're politically dead.
But they still have power, though.
It's like a ghost because all these old people in power still think it has power, so it does have power.
But it's all a con game.
It's all a giant fraud.
So here's a clip of Ted Turner on Charlie Rose saying, Oh, the world's going to collapse.
You know, it's going to be war in the streets.
It's going to be cannibalism if we don't kill everybody.
And that's how we're always held hostage.
Oh, if we don't depopulate, things will get out of control while the globalists cut off the resources and finance the wars and finance destabilization in their own documents and own admissions and give us the poison shots and put the fluoride in the water to lower our IQs and take the iodine out of the food to lower our IQs.
They know exactly what they are doing.
They make the world worse while they sit behind their walled cities and their huge ranches.
He had like 100,000 acre ranches.
He has five kids, but you shouldn't be able to have any children.
Obama, remember before he left office, went to Latin America and Africa and gave speeches about you can't have a car air conditioning, the earth will overheat.
That's a quote.
There's video of him.
Now, now, now, you can't have a car air conditioner.
Why?
The ocean will rise and the world will overheat.
But he just bought on Martha's Vineyard at one foot above sea level a giant palace.
They all do it.
Al Gore, by 2017, the ice caps will be totally melted.
The sea will rise five feet.
Much of Florida will be underwater.
Was it true?
No, it was all a lie.
And they knew exactly what they were doing.
So the real OG, even before Al Gore, of the climate scam and the carbon taxes, it was Ted Turner cooked up with Enron in the late 80s.
The plan for a global carbon tax to track us all and tax the meat and the fuel and control everybody.
It all came from Ted Turner and a UN plan with Enron, the scammers.
unidentified
Wow.
alex jones
I'm really shocked by that, aren't you?
So we've had Charlie Munger die.
We've had Henry Kissinger die a few years ago.
Now he's dead.
And it's emblematic of the fall of their entire system.
Here he is on Charlie Rose.
ted turner
Possible that in 15 or 20 years we could completely redo it.
If we have to mobilize, this is how important it is, and how important that we do it quickly.
We have to mobilize the same way we did when we entered World War II in 1941.
We have to fully mobilize everything we have and put it into changing the energy system over.
And not just here in the United States, but all over the world.
It's going to be the biggest business project in the history of the world.
Fortunes, billions of dollars are going to be made.
Hundreds of thousands of people are going to be employed.
We're going to have clean air.
We're going to have so many benefits from it.
It's not going to cost us anything once we get going with it.
It's not going to cost us anything.
The people that don't understand it think it's going to.
Not doing it will be catastrophic.
We'll have eight degrees.
We'll be eight degrees hotter in 10, not 10, but in 30 or 40 years.
And basically, none of the crops will grow.
Most of the people will have died, and the rest of us will be cannibals.
Civilization will have broken down.
The few people left will be living in a failed state like Somalia or Sudan, and living conditions will be intolerable.
The droughts will be so bad, there'll be no more corn growing.
Not doing it is suicide.
Just like dropping bombs on each other, nuclear weapons is suicide.
So we've got to stop doing the two suicidal things, which are hanging on to our nuclear weapons and globalization.
And then after that, we've got to stabilize the population.
When I was born, there was too many people.
unidentified
So what's wrong with the population?
ted turner
We're too many people.
That's why we have global warming.
We have global warming because too many people are using too much stuff.
If there were less people, they'd be using less stuff.
alex jones
It's all about resource control.
unidentified
Oh!
alex jones
Remember, they always want a world government to stop nuclear war while they proliferate them.
Oh, we got to have global government to have the carbon tax and the global environmental regime.
Now, to Trump's credit, he did get us out of the Paris Accord.
It's basically falling apart globally.
Kearney just met with the EU and Canada trying to bring back the carbon tax.
That's why we need Trump to succeed and to put real MAGA in after he leaves because the actuaries done by Lord Moncton and others, third party groups, if they cut half the carbon, it'll kill at least 2 billion people and cause a bunch of wars.
It is absolutely horrible.
Crazy.
But the big reason they're having to back off for now is Eric Schmidt said last year he's the real mastermind up above Google and all of it at Alphabet, top advisors of the Pentagon with AI.
He said, and weaponized robots, he played the clip many times.
He said at Stanford last year in a speech, he said, by 2040, we need 100 times the power we now have in the U.S. for AI.
And you've heard Trump and others say within two years, we need to triple the power output for this to win the AI war.
But you can't have a car or air conditioning.
A cow can't fart.
But you can have these giant data centers with whatever coal plants they want, gas, solar, sucking up 5 million gallons a day on average, pumping it through toxic silicon pipes and right back into the earth.
And they sound like a giant satanic beehive five, six miles away.
It's like with all these super chips, so the computers can track and trace and make you obsolete and take control of your life.
And we're just told, make way for the machines, lay down to it.
It's the way it is.
So they've even said, and I've been making this point for years, and then they started actually having to respond to it.
But I'm one of the first to say years ago, oh, it's going to need all this power, but we can't have any power.
The machines get, they're already, pull it up.
AI data centers soon to consume more energy than everything else on earth.
We're talking a couple of years.
AI data centers will consume more power.
That all the cars, all the tractors, all your devices, everything we do, the electricity for light bulbs, everything.
How much does it take to power AI?
100x more.
Yeah, that's last year.
You'd pull up Schmidt saying it.
So it gets 100 times the power while you get less.
And we told everybody when these data centers go in, it's going to jack up power prices so much more, they're going to pass on the cost to you.
And already, The people near data centers are seeing double the power bills, a giant screw job.
And Trump tried to pass a bill, it failed.
Last year, they're trying to pass it again, so he just signed an executive order saying, Well, my AI council with Zuckerberg and all our enemies on it, Elon's not allowed on there, why they're advising us on everything that we're supposed to do.
And they have immunity from federal, state, and individual lawsuits, and only my council will decide.
So, you just blank check to the AI companies, blank check to big tech, do whatever they want, run rough shop, all these evil data centers everywhere, sucking up the water, sitting through the toxic systems with the chips.
It's not closed loop, totally out of control.
They're already telling the panhandle oh, sorry, in Texas, you can't grow cotton or soybeans anymore.
We're going to take all the water out of the aquifer for the AI.
And I mean, some of these things are.
The size of 500 football fields.
Hell, some are bigger.
In fact, I sent you guys a news clip yesterday.
It's a short, like, two minute clip.
It's on yesterday's list about the biggest AI data center they're building.
We'll play it in a moment when they find it.
It's so gigantic.
I can't even believe it.
It's the size of a large town.
Yeah, look at this crap.
These are the smaller ones.
There's a big one they're building out west.
I mean, ladies and gentlemen.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is for a new life form.
This is for a robot takeover.
The 5Gs that have all the drones and robots and everything's deliverable, it's all about getting you out of your cars, making you obsolete.
This is absolutely hellish what is being done.
And then it just goes on for mile after mile after mile after mile of what they're building.
Look at this one Salt Lake City, Utah.
Look at the size of that.
We'll come back before our guest comes on the first five and play this news report.
unidentified
So.
alex jones
If you have any logic out there, remember, you can't have a car.
You can't have an air conditioner.
You can't have a dog or cat because they have too big a carbon footprint.
They're already trying to put taxes on them in Europe.
You can't have a barbecue pit because it puts off carbon.
You can't have a space heater.
It's evil.
But the machines get whatever they want their own nuclear reactors, you name it.
Everything's great.
Everything's wonderful.
And now they're admitting, oh, sorry, nano nuclear.
Sores on strategic MOU with Super Micro for powering AI data centers.
And they tell us it's making us obsolete and it's dumbing us down and causing brain damage and wrecking society and killing all the human jobs.
We just go, well, that's the way it is.
And MIT comes out and says, of the 12 scenarios, the best thing is just to surrender and merge with machines now.
Only the people that merge with machines now will survive.
We're the target.
We are the species that came up with this.
We see the beauty of a sunset.
We have an ancient past.
God made us.
Men and women together having children.
We have to choose that we are superior and we don't build something that will destroy us.
But it's already gotten out of the barn.
The train's already left the station.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, hour number two.
I have a very special guest coming out the next segment on the West being behind almost all the Islamic terror and more.
But I want to go to this incredible clip of Will Hollingsworth speaking out on one of these data centers going in.
This guy is so eloquent.
I can't wait to get him on the show.
Here it is.
eric moutsos
Can you believe this is where we're at in 2026 in city council meetings?
This dystopian nightmare.
Thank you, Will Hollingsworth, for your voice.
Millions of Americans are right behind you.
unidentified
Mr. Hollingsworth, I know that you had your hand up to talk.
will hollingsworth
Hello, my name is Will Hollingsworth.
I work at Reed Memorial Library, and thank you all for hearing me today.
I'm not a cynic when it comes to technology.
My love for it started when my uncle first sat me down at a beige Windows 95 computer and began teaching me HTML.
This love of the digital shaped my career as I went on to become a programmer and a professional content creator.
In my last job, I was the digital artist they trusted to do that kind of work.
I was the one feeding Mid Journey prompts to create the perfect commercial.
training the very machine that would eventually replace me, as three months later they would lay me off.
I didn't just watch it happen, I was holding the tools when the tools were turned on me.
I want to stress I don't stand here as an enemy of progress.
The thing is, when I look at the data center proposal, I don't see progress.
I see a gamble where the big tech companies get the gold while Portage County foots the bill.
Now I know there are good faith arguments for this project.
There are people in our community, informed, honest people, who will tell you that the modern data centers use what's called a closed loop system.
They say the water is filled once and recycled forever.
In a laboratory, that might be true, but we aren't living in a laboratory.
We're living in Ohio.
I can tell you that as the chips get smaller and AI demands get larger, the heat these machines generate is outstripping the closed-loop theory.
To keep the servers from melting, a data center has to bleed the lines to remove toxic sludge, aka forever chemicals, and bleeding water needs to be evaporated.
It does not stay in the loop.
It evaporates into the sky by millions of gallons.
The very place that laid me off was an organic mattress company, and while working for them, I actually learned a lot about forever chemicals.
I got to see how the sausage gets made.
I saw the inside of those so-called regulations.
I saw how rigorous studies are often self-funded, a pay-to-play model where if you've got the cash, they'll give you the certificate.
If a trillion-dollar company is funding the study that says their forever chemical war enough won't hit our water table, they aren't giving us the science.
They're giving us a sales pitch.
We're told that we have to accept this because we need big employers.
We're told that if we don't say yes, we're driving away the future.
But that's a false choice.
A big employer who uses the water of 50,000 people, which, by the way, is a combination of both.
KENT AND Ravenna only hires about 10 people is not an employer.
They are an extraction.
We are being asked to fund a 21st century luxury with a 19th century resource heist.
We are being asked to sacrifice the lifeblood of our city so a trillion dollar company can save a fraction of a cent on its margins.
We are being asked to drain our reservoirs so a chatbot can write a poem, or so our sheriff can generate a picture of himself standing next to Bigfoot.
They want us to trust a trillion dollar industry that tells us with a straight face That they can suck 5 million gallons of water out of our ground a day, use it as a liquid heat sink, and return it to our rivers without a single consequence.
They are asking for a measured approach while they hide their actual usage behind secret contracts and NDAs.
Ohioans have seen this trick played before.
We know what happens when massive utility interests and black box energy deals get fast tracked behind closed doors.
We're still paying the bill, literally, for the first energy scandal.
We were told these bailouts were essential and measured too, and it turned out to be the largest racketeering plot in the history of our state.
So, when a trillion dollar company asks for our water, our electricity, and our silence, we shouldn't just be asking for the facts.
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There is a reason the Ohio House just voted 88 to 0 to pause and study this industry.
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And I'm really impressed in the interviews I've seen that she talks about because I've interviewed the people that ran Gladio operations.
Not all of them, but Steve Pacinic ran the stuff in Italy and things.
Created a whole grand jury investigation like when he first admitted it 15 years ago on my show.
He co wrote the books with Tom Clancy.
But that was her window into this.
And then how Al Qaeda, ISIS, all these groups are run by Western intelligence.
It goes back to the British, basically creating Saudi Arabia, using them to attack neighboring areas.
So it doesn't mean that radical Islam isn't real and isn't a threat and isn't a danger.
The issue is that it's then used to take our rights and our liberties.
And we're told that we've got to fight them over there instead of over here, but now we have 15 times the Muslims in the West than we did before 9 11.
So something bigger is here.
So you can go wherever you want, Colonel.
It's great to have you.
So much knowledge.
You can start with a year and a half ago, they put the leader of Al Qaeda in charge of Syria, but we've got to give our rights up and have TSA Gropus, or you could go back to the beginning and talk about what you learned in the military, but it's so great to have you here.
Thank you so much for all you've done.
col roxane towner-watkins
Thank you for having me, actually, Alex.
So, what I want to start off with is a lot of people understand silo pieces of what the CIA and Western intelligence do, but they don't ever move out to the 30,000 foot look to put them all together in a holistic way.
For example, as you mentioned, we know that the CIA during the 1980s was funding the Mujahideen through ISI, the Pakistan.
And that morphs later into ISIS and Al Qaeda.
We also know that the CIA has been involved in multiple assassinations.
We also know that they overthrow governments.
We also know that they've been involved in drug operations.
We know that there's a lot of evidence that the CIA was involved in JFK's assassination.
And we also know that.
Through MKUltra, there was a lot of effort put into creating Manchurian candidates, both on the assassination piece of that.
But one of the things that fascinated me is looking at how they had set up scholarship programs to bring foreigners into the United States and educate them with the intent of putting many of them back in their countries to be Western facing heads of state.
And I'll give you two recent examples.
Most of your audience probably knows that Obama's dad was brought over here on a CIA sponsored scholarship to Hawaii.
And that the man that was behind those fielding of these candidates was a guy by the name of Maboya, who was in Kenya.
But he also, many of your audience may not know, is responsible for bringing Mandami's dad over here as well.
And he came over on one of those CIA sponsored scholarships, too.
So, I'm just going to leave that there for a minute.
And that's kind of all of the silo.
People look at all of those as they're isolated incidents.
But what I found in discovering Operation Gladio is none of that is isolated.
And it's all part of an effort to what we all know is their end goal of establishing one world government.
So, a lot of people don't know how this started.
Operation Gladio is critical to understanding this.
Operation Gladio actually started with Operation Sunrise.
Operation Sunrise was a meeting in northern Italy by Alan Dulles, who was then part of the OSS, and Lyman Limitsker, who was a two star general at the time on Eisenhower's staff in Germany.
And at that meeting, they met with a Nazi general by the name of Karl Wolf.
And he actually was in charge of what Hitler called werewolf units.
And they were citizens by day and killers by night.
They had set up in Extensive networks all over Axis territory with caches of weapons.
And these weapons were, and the trained people, if the, like, for example, on the Eastern Front, if the Soviets were to push back into Germany, they were to spring up behind them and do operations to attack from the rear.
It's a great strategy, but what it manifested itself into in the, like, the Ukrainian area, It gave birth to people like Bandera and Stetzko and several other Nazis who manifest themselves over the decades into the Azov battalion that we're very familiar with, and another group which most people don't talk about, which is also called Right Sector.
They trace their roots to these Nazi stay behind units that was part of Reinhard Galen and Otto Skorzeny's creation on the Eastern Front, because those are the two people that were responsible for the Eastern Front.
alex jones
And that goes back to the rat line and Operation Paperclip bringing over all these SS officers and people so they could actually basically be the shadow commanders of these operations throughout the Cold War.
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Correct.
col roxane towner-watkins
And so Reinhard Galen, Alan Dulles creates the Galen organization, which morphs into the German BND, which is their equivalent of the CIA.
And so he's operating their intelligence capability, and he's a Nazi general.
But the piece most people don't know is Otto Scorzeny was his triner.
And post World War II, he is the guy that is, he was originally supposed to be in Paris because that's where they were going to set up NATO headquarters.
But he gets spotted right away because of his distinctive scar face.
And so they have to relocate him to Madrid, which at the time was under the control of Franco, the fascist guy.
And so he basically harbors Otto Scorzeny and they set up.
What would be what we would think of as the terrorist training camps in Pakistan to train the Mujahideen?
They did the exact same thing in Spain to train the Gladio operators throughout Europe.
And of course, they're actually called stay behind units if anybody wants to do additional research.
But Gladio was the specific name of the Italian group.
But France's group was called OAS.
And Portugal had one called Agenter Press.
Turkey had one called the Grey Wolves.
But everybody in NATO had to have them.
Danielle Ganser wrote a book called NATO Secret Armies, and he describes this entire process.
You had to sign an agreement in order to enter NATO as a NATO member, saying that you would set up these same capabilities.
And of course, it took me about a year into this research, which I've been doing for about the last four years, to realize holy crap, we're in NATO.
Who's our stay behind units?
And we'll get to that in a minute.
alex jones
Absolutely.
And you talk about Otto.
Scorzini, he was Hitler's favorite commando.
And he was then also hired by Israel and the Mossad to help set up a bunch of their assassination teams.
And he went around killing people for decades.
So when we hear, oh, the Jews and Simon Wiesenfall hunting down Nazis, that was all PR, folks.
They weren't hunting down Klaus Barbie in South America, they weren't hunting down the Nazi enclaves in Argentina.
No, no, the Nazis.
How did Israel fit into this from your research?
col roxane towner-watkins
So that's a very interesting question.
Israel is kind of a partner.
I kind of frame this entire thing as MI6, obviously, is the oldest intelligence organization, and that's the dad.
The rest of them are siblings.
And so, with the blood thicker than water, they all collectively work together, but they also have disagreements occasionally.
And my research makes clear that the intelligence agencies don't work for their.
Governments or the CIA would have never killed JFK.
And so if you look at them across the board, they have done lots of things, all documented in the books that I've read, that was not done with the knowledge of the president.
And that is clearly illustrated in the CIA operation against President Trump.
You don't think President Trump had the CIA Eric Charamella guy being the quote unquote whistleblower.
They're working on their own.
alex jones
Well, that's right.
Just to illustrate that briefly.
Crossfire Hurricane and then all the stuff that came out of it.
I told Trump this back at the time.
Obama in the Defense Authorization Act of 2017 put billions in to countering the Foreign Disinformation Propaganda Act that established a stay behind network for the State Department and CIA of propagandists and saboteurs.
So, not military commandos, but people to sabotage Trump's agenda.
Now he's figured out some of that and for a while was getting him out, but it seems like we're now losing the war and he's bringing a lot of them back in.
More neocons, not really Obama Hillary operatives, but.
Obama set up a stay behind network to basically sabotage Trump.
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col roxane towner-watkins
Please continue, Colonel.
And that's a great illustration of how this works because most people just assume that they're the field units that are out there that fall in on these caches of weapons.
And wasn't it interesting that we found out that the Institute of Peace, when it got raided, had a cache of weapons in it?
alex jones
Of course.
And cash.
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Yeah.
col roxane towner-watkins
So they.
In order for this network to work, they have to be embedded at every level.
They have to be in the state police.
They have to be in local police departments.
And of course, this has all been documented.
We found out that during the 1980s, the CIA, and even in the 60s, the CIA was instrumental in the Los Angeles Police Department.
That's all been documented.
They have particular units inside of the DHS now, the DEA, and they have units in the FBI.
alex jones
Then the FBI sets up InfraGuard in the 80s and 90s to then, as another subgroup, basically hire corporate leaders, industry leaders, people in charge of power plants, you name it.
So they've got operatives everywhere.
col roxane towner-watkins
They have operatives everywhere at every echelon and in the corporations, too.
We can't forget that.
So one of their favorite places to stash or hide CIA agents is in their global security.
Company has a global security office.
And that's where we find the woman that was the Secret Service chief.
Where did she go when she left Secret Service?
She went to PepsiCo's global security office to hang out there until Biden came back in.
Kermit Roosevelt Standard Oil 00:02:35
col roxane towner-watkins
And those, so you have to understand that I get asked a lot well, who's behind all of this?
Well, the only people since the post World War II that's benefited from this network is the oligarchs.
I call them the international syndicate.
And anytime their resources in a foreign country was in jeopardy, for example, I, Iran in 1953, when the Anglo Iranian oil company was being nationalized because they refused to renegotiate the contract.
alex jones
They launched Operation Ajax against Mohammed Mosaddegh.
col roxane towner-watkins
Well, the one before that was actually done by MI6 and they failed.
And Mosaddegh kicked them out of the country.
So they had to pick up the phone and call Standard Oil and Alan Dulles and say, hey, we need some help because we don't have anybody on the inside anymore.
alex jones
And so they sent in Kermit Roosevelt.
And then you've got the United Fruit operation, all of it.
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col roxane towner-watkins
And he, of course, is Teddy Roosevelt's grandson.
And when they went in, who benefited from that?
Well, British Oil only got the 50% that Bossadegh was offering him because 34% of the proceeds in the aftermath of Ajax went to Standard Oil.
And of course, Sullivan and Cromwell, John Foster Dollis and Alan Dollis, former law firm.
Was a representative of Standard Oil.
And so the same thing in Guatemala the following year, United Fruit, when that president, democratically elected, was saying, Hey, you're only using 20% of your farmland.
We want to use the other because it was all acquired through corrupt land deals and we'll pay you for it, but we don't want it just to stay unused.
And they said, No.
So they just pick up the phone.
And of course, Sullivan and Cromwell used to represent United Fruit as well.
And They went in and overthrew the government.
And United Fruit got to keep all of their farmland because there was a military dictator installed afterwards.
And so you just see this thing repeated over and over again.
The same thing happened in Chile.
It happened in Brazil for Nelson Rockefeller.
And so this entire operation, and you see that to my surprise when I first started this, you see the same people over and over again.
You see the same people that was in Korea, in Vietnam.
Continuous Warfare Excess Weapons 00:04:21
col roxane towner-watkins
You see the same people in Vietnam.
In Latin America, during Nicaragua in the 1980s, involved in, and every one of these follows a particular pattern.
There's drugs around, there's narcotics around.
And so we have the whole Southeast Asia theater where we're in Vietnam, we know it's all about the heroin.
We're in Afghanistan, we know it's all about the heroin.
And then we're in Latin America where we know it's all about the cocaine.
So again, all of these are connected, they're not isolated incidences.
There's an effort to fund these covert operations that they're doing in the overthrowing of governments with covert funding.
And that's why it's very important that the CIA be able to have this narco network around.
It's also why it's very important for them to have continuous warfare.
Because if you go back to the Korean War, where did the excess weapons after the Korean War go?
They all got bought up by CIA front companies.
Where did the excess weapons go from Vietnam?
Same thing.
Then you had them create banks like BCCI and Nugent Hand in Australia.
And they're the ones that create the bill of sales.
They're the ones that create all of the documentation to transport all of these weapons around and sell them on the black market.
And it also provides them the opportunity to money launder.
alex jones
And the reason this is so important is it's the same model with Fast and Furious, millions of guns shipped to Mexico to go to Al Qaeda and ISIS.
It's the same story collapse in Afghanistan, $80 billion of weapons and stuff.
A whole bunch of it then is shipped in to take down Assad.
Same story over and over again.
col roxane towner-watkins
Same story over and over again.
And that's why I want people to understand the background of this with these caches of weapons and how this entire network.
And then you have all of these trained assassins.
And when you read the literature, be very careful because they're all very specific about talking about the stay behind units were anti communist.
alex jones
Stay there, Colonel, stay there.
You were so articulate and so smart on this.
And I really presented.
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I've read dozens of books on Gladio alone, had people that were involved in it on, that ran operations in Italy on it and other places.
And these techniques are being used to control us.
Like when you see the Southern Poverty Law Center, I told you 30 years ago, they run all the major white supremacist groups and fund them to do violence, you name it.
They got a billion dollars we know of in the Bahamas.
They got German intelligence heavily involved because when we're doing illegal stuff, we'll have a foreign intelligence agency do it for us so there's no oversight.
That's basically a Gladio type operation for destabilization.
The ADL, same deal.
But what's incredible is after 9 11, I would have all these experts on and the former embassy head exposing John Brennan, ordering him to let the hijackers, the decoys of the U.S., Springman.
I mean, I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of these people.
I've interviewed the guy hired by the CIA and the FBI to cook the bomb for the first World Trade Center.
Then they cooked a real bomb, so he taped them saying, let the bombing go forward.
Then he played it for the press.
The only reason he wasn't set up and killed.
Ahmad Salam, it goes on and on.
I mean, I've done hundreds and hundreds of interviews.
I've interviewed the former head of the FBI crime lab who said they were framing almost everybody.
The point is, this is massive corruption, but it's all compartmentalized.
And this is how the deep state operates.
This is what they're doing now.
But the good news is they go, okay, it's true.
The global head of Al Qaeda, we made him the head of Syria.
Okay, it's true.
Israel had field hospitals for Al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria.
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alex jones
Okay, it's true.
Israel founded Hamas and basically Netanyahu was done with them, had some deal to stand down, and then turned around and double crossed them because they were dumb of that operation.
But it's the same thing over and over and over again.
And so much of it's on record like tens of thousands of Al Qaeda, all CIA trained leadership, flown out in the weeks after 9 11 to Pakistan.
And then we just went in and blew up a bunch of Taliban and people.
And then you called it a war and then started a fight with them so we could have a 20 something year war to make money for the CIA and opium production.
They had 1% of opium production.
Taliban had banned opium production.
Now 80% of world production within two years was that country again shipping it here, Russia, China, everywhere.
And you wonder why China hits us with fentanyl as payback.
I mean, this is sick.
And it goes on and on and on and on.
And our guest is so smart Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins.
You can find her at Colonel. Towner, T O W N E R on X.
And you've got so many places to go here with this.
Please continue where we left off.
col roxane towner-watkins
So, we were talking about the money laundering, and that's an important part of this.
Initially, Operation Gladio, in order to transfer out all of the German caches of weapons that was amassed during World War II, the OSS created a thing called Detachment A.
And Detachment A's activities was not even declassified until 2014 from the 1940s, like 44, 45 is when these operations were going on.
Declassified in 2014.
What a lot of Special Forces guys don't know is that's the beginning of Special Forces, and that's where you get the term ODA, Operational Detachment Alpha.
It came from Detachment A.
It is also the basis for the 1980s TV series.
The A team, because that was their nickname.
And so, as these operations unfold, the initial funding line for this was the Rockefeller Foundation, as documented by Paul Williams in his book called Operation Gladio, as well as the Marshall Plan.
Most people don't know the Marshall Plan had a covert line of funding in it, and that's what was used to replace all of these German weapons in these caches.
And it was the A team that went in, and there are videos on their website.
They actually show these tents, and the tents are several tents in an area.
Surrounded by Constantine wire, and they're digging up the old caches of weapons because at Operation Sunrise, that was part of the deal.
Here's the list General Wolf gave Alan Dulles a list.
You ratline all of these guys out, provide them safe passage, and we will give you all of the diagrams on where these caches of weapons are and any of the Soviet documentation that we collected on our eastward push.
But post World War II, Marshall plans go on.
So, we need another funding.
And that's where we're going to get into the narcotics with Chiang Kai shek over in China and the OSSCIA protection of him, moving him initially to Burma.
And he's a Chinese warlord who lost their civil war to Mao.
And then they put him on a Chinese island called Formosa and just changed the name of it to Taiwan.
And he sets up operations there.
He immediately implements martial law, and they lived under martial law for the next.
30 to 40 years.
And he basically is running the entire opium.
And you have Paul Heliwell, William Pauley, and all of these other people that are providing him a Navy, an Air Force.
And of course, that's where we secretly stashed the U 2s when we were flying the U 2s back in the 1950s.
And that's not a coincidence.
And so you have all of these operations going on over there so they can generate funds.
Well, now we need a bank.
And we don't have BCCI yet.
It doesn't come around till the 70s or Nugent Hand.
So we used the Vatican Bank.
Of course, you had the Rome Embassy there, and all of these people were involved because in 1948, the CIA basically interfered.
That was their first official mission interfering in the Italian elections in 1948.
And there's a lot documented about that.
John Cooney's 1984 biography of Cardinal Spellman.
And so also, Chris Simpson wrote a book called Blowback, and he talks about one of the Monsignors, Berserini, in Milan, serving as the go between between all Nazis, Ralph Wolf and Albert Kesselring and Alan Dulles.
And that was cited in Simon Weisenthal's book as well.
And so, again, all of this is documented.
And so, I want to hit real hard on this election interference.
alex jones
Well, I want you to because that's a model for the rest of the world after that.
Now we know the CIA, not just China, through Taiwan into Venezuela with these fraudulent election machines, but it goes back to the CIA.
But just two little points to add what you just talked about, you might look up.
Then a few years later, they move the U 2 spy planes to Japan, and the young Lee Harvey Oswald is stationed there, but doesn't have to do any work.
People said he had special clearance.
It was like the officers treated him like the boss.
Then he does a fake defection to the Soviet Union, but then is allowed to move back to Texas and then lives with famous expat white Russians, anti communist, high level CIA.
There's a little microcosm.
You got Chiang Kai shek working with the Vatican Bank.
Well, if you go back to the rudders and back to the Portuguese and the Spanish, having the only maps getting into China 200 years before anybody else could, keeping it locked out, they were the ones that began the opium trade into China and later used that to control and break up China, later leading to the Boxer Rebellion.
So it's the same story over and over again.
col roxane towner-watkins
It is the same story over and over again.
So, I don't know if you know this, but I found this reading a book about how a lot of this, because it involves the oil barons, involves oil pipelines.
And so, Alan Dulles first met George DeMorgenshield, the white Russian you're talking about in Dallas that was instrumental in the JFK setup, when he was 10 years old.
Alan Dulles was over buying an oil field for Standard Oil for the Rockefellers in Azerbaijan.
And the representative that was representing the Nobel family from Sweden or Denmark, wherever they're from, his dad, George DeMorgenshield Sr., was the guy that Alan Dulles was dealing with.
So he has known George DeMorgenshield the entire time.
And that was just mind blowing to me when I found out that.
alex jones
And you've got Lee Harvey Oswald married to his daughter living with him.
col roxane towner-watkins
Well, and to your point about Lee Harvey Oswald, he was also in Russia when we lost the U 2 over Russia.
alex jones
Incredible.
col roxane towner-watkins
That's in a declassified U 2 document from the CIA.
So let's talk about this myth that Venezuela interferes in our elections.
There's a book called Stolen Elections that was just recently rushed out with a ton of spelling errors and all kinds of other.
Things that the primary source, one of the primary sources, is a CIA agent.
And in the book, they blame Venezuela pretty much for everything.
What he doesn't tell you is there's really nothing Venezuelan about Smartmatic.
Smartmatic was created by expats in the Miami area that left Venezuela right about the time Chavez came into office.
Now, they are representative of the same.
People that left Cuba after Castro took over.
They are the landed wealthy elite that can't survive under someone that is not controlled by the CIA or Western influences.
So they all basically leave the country.
And those three expats that were in Miami, that set up the company in Miami, used equipment that they bought from Italy that the company had basically been in charge of casino and ATM.
Productions.
So they're basically using technology, which everybody that's ever been in a casino knows that that equipment is controlled.
So they're basically using equipment that have back doors to it.
And that doesn't require any Venezuela presence at all.
So, anyway, I think that's just another one of those myths to deflect the real culprits behind who's interfering in our elections.
alex jones
No, I know you know your stuff.
You know even more than I do in many ways.
It's good to talk to somebody so informed that that's why it's so frustrating.
To understand, since 1947, as you said, it's all modeled after OSS, British intelligence.
We had the whole Anglophile, you know, Atlantic manipulation where we kind of, even Eisenhower talks about it as a bad thing, but Churchill, you know, wrote his three volume History of the English speaking peoples, the third volume.
He talks about us basically merging in the special relationship.
So as the British Empire kind of faded, it just merged with us, and all of its evil proclivities are now here.
And so when you look at all this modern propaganda manipulation, you know, white supremacy groups, radical black groups, all this is being funded by the very, Same interest.
And many times it's the grandchildren and great grandchildren of the people that set all this up post World War II that are still in control today.
col roxane towner-watkins
Yes, that's very well put.
And you find the hereditary links everywhere.
So as this comes into its own, some of the highlights of stuff that I have found, for example, since we were talking about the Vatican, the attempted assassination of John Paul II.
If you go back and look at who actually got arrested and convicted for that, Those two guys were Turkish Grey Wolf Operation Gladio operatives.
It was a clear signal to John Paul II.
He had been using, so we've already established their money laundering for this entire operation.
He was using portions of the money that the Vatican was raking off the top of the money laundering to fund efforts in Poland with Solidarity in order to try to get them separated.
And he was having back.
Channel communications with the Soviet Union.
And you're not allowed to do that because any reasonable negotiations with the Soviet Union would denigrate there being the big bad bullies that we're going to use in order to justify everything that we do.
Because what you find out is every regime change up until the 1990s was because there's some communist presence, right?
alex jones
So they needed the bullying.
And what you're saying is very, almost no one knows this, but George Herbert Walker Bush, it was later admitted to and partially classified.
When the Soviet Union fell in 1991, he freaked out.
There was a total panic.
And that's well known people that do the research that it was a Gladio operation to frame the Russians that actually shot John Paul II, because exactly what you said, he was actually trying to take down the Soviet Union.
And at the end of the day, it's not Ronald Reagan, who overall I think was a good guy, but wasn't really in control.
It was Bush Sr., but that it's John Paul II that really is credited with that.
col roxane towner-watkins
So John Paul II was in active negotiations to get.
Poland outside of the Soviet Union.
And that was his warning shot because the guy was almost point blank range.
These are trained assassins, they don't miss.
That was a wound.
And it was his warning to stop funding this backdoor channel and giving money to Poland.
And he did stop.
And so I would recommend, I'm of a different mind now since I've done this research about Ronald Reagan.
We're in the middle of a book called Safe for Democracy The Secret Wars of the CIA by John Prados.
Ronald Reagan was very actively involved in a lot of this stuff.
alex jones
Well, we know he was an FBI informant when he was anti communist.
And I agree, he knew a lot of it.
And they tried to protect him by not involving him in everything.
But I also know that Nancy, not just public people that knew her privately, thought that the Bushes were involved shooting him and the fact that they wanted to get rid of him at many levels.
We know he didn't like Bush, who ran against him in 79 80, but he was forced to put him on the ticket.
unidentified
Correct.
col roxane towner-watkins
As many presidents are, same thing happened with Eisenhower and Nixon.
Operation Northwood Secrets 00:12:43
col roxane towner-watkins
If you go back and reread history from legitimate sources, not the stuff they put in schools.
So, anyway, we're talking about all of this stuff.
If you go back to Italy and you look at the Piazza bombings in the 1970s, they were blowing up train stations and banks.
And you ask, well, why would they be doing that to their own citizens?
Well, let me point you to the 1962 Operation Northwood, where the same guy that I just mentioned, the same guy that I just mentioned, Huh?
alex jones
Lemnoser.
col roxane towner-watkins
Lyman Lemnosker, the guy at the table at Operation Sunrise that set this entire thing up, wrote Operation Northwood.
Operation Northwood talks about using Cuban exiles from Miami, who are all trained by the CIA, to launch domestic operations in the United States to kill Americans, bomb buildings, fly drone aircraft into buildings.
That sounds familiar.
Blow up ships in the harbor.
Dressed up as Castro's army in order to justify a land invasion into Cuba.
And who do we find in Cuba?
Oh, the guys that got kicked out were the same players United Fruit, William Pauley, the guy that gave the Air Force to Chiang Kai shek.
All of the same players show up in Cuba from an oligarch standpoint.
And so they had, and of course, the mafia, they have to get Cuba back.
They were using Cuba as a heroin staging point from Sicily.
Into the United States.
So they really wanted it back in the worst way.
So Lyman Limitsker writes Operation Northwood.
Well, it gets better because Lyman Limitsker, after having written Operation Northwood and briefing it to JFK, JFK goes, What the hell?
We're not doing that shit.
We're not killing Americans.
So he had just had the Bay of Pigs fiasco and the generals all hate him.
And so he doesn't see firing him like making him retire.
As a palatable thing without a full on revolt.
So he decides to move him.
And where did he move him?
He moved him to NATO commander, the same NATO running Operation Gladio.
So Lyman Lemitzker, as a four star general, is now in charge of the worldwide Operation Gladio program.
And during this time that he's the commander, the headquarters is still in Paris.
And Charles de Gaulle had over 30 attempts on his life.
During his presidency, from his own OAS Gladio unit, over 30.
And I don't know if you're aware, but during JFK's trip to Paris, France, there was a plan.
And depending on who you talk to, there's two different people that come up in the research that was approached by the CIA to assassinate JFK in Paris and pass it off as someone who was a bad shot, and it was just another attempt on Charles de Gaulle's life.
alex jones
I've been told that by insiders.
I don't know if you can do a little bit more time in the next hour.
If not, you can come back for part two.
This is riveting.
I just want to add one little factoid.
At the end of Limitzer's career at NATO, guess who his attache was, who later became the Secretary of Defense twice, and of course was the architect of 9 11 and the chief neocon?
Donald Rumsfeld.
col roxane towner-watkins
Yes.
alex jones
And who brings in a young guy from, what, Montana?
To be his aide, Dick Cheney.
unidentified
Yes.
alex jones
So now you see how, I mean, this is, it's all very incestuous.
col roxane towner-watkins
It all goes back to this.
And that's why it's so good.
And that's why no one in America, except for maybe yourself, knows anything about Operation Gladio because it's all been withheld from us.
Because as soon as you understand it, everything downstream makes sense.
alex jones
Well, I don't know why Steve Pacinic, who ran a lot of these operations, came on my show for 25 years.
He hadn't come on the last few years because he got mad at me.
But we looked him up, and he's in news articles about Gladio.
What he said about Gladio, we actually got a grand jury after him.
Probably eight, nine years ago.
But he's the one who said it on the show.
But he was just putting that out as just in points of that, hey, I ran false flags, so I can tell you 9 11 is a false flag.
He was pissed off and he listed all the names people you're talking about.
And he's on record, guys that ran these operations.
unidentified
Yeah.
col roxane towner-watkins
Well, let me just share with you.
I graduated, as you mentioned at the beginning of the show, from Air War College.
So last year I went back to Air War College because my specialty there was Southeast Asia.
And I felt like I knew a lot until I started reading about Gladio.
And so I was kind of upset by the fact that I spent a year there, got a master's degree, and then never heard about Operation Gladio.
So I went back.
It's one of the largest, if not the largest library in the Air Force.
unidentified
Hold on, hold on.
alex jones
Stay there, stay there.
Can you stay a little bit more in the next hour?
unidentified
Sure.
Great.
alex jones
Because we got to go to break because I want to, Stu, 20 more minutes.
We can talk about.
I know the history is key to know history or you're doing to repeat it, but I want to get your take on currently what's happening and your military background, your research background, your business background.
What do you think is coming next and what we can do?
Because this is what we're up against.
Because let me tell you, it got declassified partially.
The CIA and DOJ ran all the operations against me, the lawsuits, all of it, funded it all.
And then it was being investigated by Ed Martin, and then the current AG killed that investigation.
That's public information.
ABC News six months ago.
So believe me, I know about it because I've experienced it myself.
And if I told you some of the stories, I mean, like they'd be, they'd be, it's so insane.
You could write 10 books just on this.
It's been like a James Bond movie with these people.
And they try to be a good cop, they try to be a bad cop.
But, yeah, let's come back.
Do 20 more minutes.
You've got to come back.
We also do a commercial free podcast sometimes.
Is the best place to go Colonel Towner, T O W N E R on X?
Yes.
Any other websites or places we find you?
col roxane towner-watkins
So I am on Rumble.
I do a four o'clock show every day, Monday through Friday.
I do it both in spaces on X, but I also do it on my Rumble channel.
Obviously, I have a crew of people all over the world.
That has helped me with this research, and we all kind of congregate on the spaces.
So, we have bankers and lawyers and all kinds of other people that have personal experience with this that they've come on the show.
And that's the thing.
alex jones
And I should have mentioned you have a show because that's how I've become a fan of it.
Absolutely.
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Knight of Short Swords 00:03:24
alex jones
So, you've been to a lot of war colleges, Air Force war colleges, and you hadn't learned about Gladiator.
You thought, well, that's crazy.
They have such huge archives.
You were saying you went back.
What did you find?
col roxane towner-watkins
Okay, I found nothing actually.
Not a single book in the entire library for all professional military education for the entire Air Force.
I've also had a conversation with a retired three star general who ran Air University, and he had never heard about Operation Gladio either.
But I did find in the periodical section an article that was in defense and diplomacy called The Knight of the Short Swords.
One article in one magazine.
And The immediate next issue, which I had to get a copy of, is a rebuttal to the previous edition called Debunking Gladio.
And you'd never guess who wrote the article Theodore Shackley.
And he basically says in his rebuttal, yeah, no, that didn't exist.
And it was written in 1991.
Operation Gladio was admitted to on the 2nd of August, 1990, by.
Prime Minister Andriotti to their Senate in Italy.
He actually just came out in the open and said, Yes, we did it.
We shouldn't have.
And all of the rest of Europe, with that revelation, was asked, Hey, are we doing this?
Of course, they all denied it.
So then, two months later, NATO had a meeting because they had two offices set up to coordinate all of Operation Gladio.
One was called the Clandestine Planning Committee, the other one was called the Allied Clandestine Committee.
And they had a meeting.
And so Andriotti got back on the air in Europe and said, Okay, here's a list of your countries that went to the meeting.
Now you go ahead and tell your people that you were not involved in it.
You were just at a meeting.
alex jones
Sure.
And since a lot more of it's been released, but notice the double meaning there.
Knight of the short swords.
Well, what's a short sword?
A long knife or dagger, which was the name of the Nazis taking out their political enemies, Ernst Röhm and the SA, after Hitler was able to take over in 1933.
So, what is the meaning of Knight of the short swords?
It's assassination.
unidentified
Gladio.
col roxane towner-watkins
Gladio translates into Italy as a short sword.
That's what that word means.
alex jones
Very interesting.
So, the Roman sword.
unidentified
Yeah.
col roxane towner-watkins
So, a couple other things, just so that people can do a little additional research before we get back together again.
I ran across a very interesting company that allowed all of this to transpire.
The name of it is Crypto AG.
Crypto AG is a company that's originated.
Via the NSA and was a result of World War II and encryption and all of that other stuff.
And so it appears like it's a private company, but it is not.
There was a back door that was set up into these machines and they set up this company using the guy that was basically the inventor of it.
Crypto AG Encryption Networks 00:14:30
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And I don't say this to be fancy pantsy, say, Oh, look at me.
It's well known.
Regular viewers have seen it.
The CIA undercover videos, the documents that it positions.
The FBI in the show trial against me in Connecticut, where I was already found guilty by the judge, putting the head of the FBI of the state on the stand to explain he went and initiated the lawsuits.
We're like, why is he doing that?
We even know that then.
And then we later learned from the depositions and documents that came out and federal documents, and we started researching it that the whole thing was funded by the DOJ at the behest of the CIA under a national security memorandum signed by Obama in 2013.
And then when Trump first got in in February last year, after he was sworn in in January, we get that.
CD in the mail from the FBI with all the information in it.
So it's just amazing that that's how active they are and the type of stuff they do.
And it's so prolific and so big that they sheepdip people into the CIA.
That means it's secret.
And that goes back to that Nazi werewolf program or sleeper cells, but in your own country, in your own government.
And My mom's brother was Army Vietnam helicopter pilot.
He got into Iran Condor very high level.
And then everybody thought he was basically out of that, but for a long time he was actually still in it.
We learned that when he died.
And then my dad's cousin, we called his uncle, he's about 10 years older, lived out the same ranch.
He was in the Army and all the rest of it, and was a nuclear missile controller and instructor, was his main job.
But that was really just his day job.
He was, even as a plainclothes person, you know, call him up.
He told my dad that when he was dying.
My dad already knew a lot of it, but he told him and him alone a lot of it.
And it just shows, it's not only my family's that special, though they recruit out of Texas heavily.
You see the military and you see the intelligence systems, and it's like the tip of the iceberg.
Under the water, it's much bigger.
But as the world discovers this and understands this, a lot's happening.
Finish your last point.
Very impressive, Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins.
And then I want you to get into what we do now, the current permutations of this, and what you think is coming and what the public can do.
So thank you so much.
col roxane towner-watkins
Thanks.
So, we were talking about Crypto AG, and it really goes to the extent of this operation.
So, Crypto AG was an encrypted device sold to countries out of neutral Switzerland with this front company that was basically backdoored not just to the CIA, but also to the German BND, which at the time was Reinhard Galen, the former Nazi.
And they sold it as something that a Country could use to communicate with all of their embassies around the world encrypted.
And so I want people to understand since the end of World War II, the CIA has been able to intercept every single cable sent from a State Department to their embassies around the world in real time.
And over a hundred countries bought this system.
And what was very interesting to me when I was doing the research.
The company finally was shut down in 2020 during Trump's first term.
The whole South American network of how they were able to do Operation Condor, which is kind of like a kissing cousin to Operation Gladio, was through Crypto AG.
And Crypto AG had a mainframe on the Army base in Panama, right near the School of Americas, which, if your audience doesn't know, is where they trained all of these people, like Otto Scorzini's training center.
School of Americas was on a military base in Panama doing basically the same thing in Latin America.
And just kind of as an aside, funny, because this is not funny at all.
Recently, before we nabbed Maduro, he made the comment to the press that he couldn't possibly be a dictator because he wasn't trained at the School of Americas.
And that's kind of a blowback because everybody in Latin America knows that all of the military dictators that the CIA installed when they overthrew the governments down there was a graduate of the School of Americas.
And I don't know if you caught this, but recently, right before Matt Gaetz left Congress, he was drilling the AFRICOM commander.
And because that school didn't go away, they closed it, they got kicked out of Panama.
It's now called the Western Hemispheric Institute for Security and Cooperation.
It's located at Fort Benning.
And Matt Gaetz asked the AFRICOM commander for a list.
Of all of the graduates that had graduated that are now basically military dictators in Africa.
And I got in touch with Matt Gaetz after he asked that question because I was floored that he even knew about it.
And he said he never did get that list, they just ignored his suspense.
alex jones
So, Colonel, what is the state of the secret state right now from your research?
I mean, surely they can't be happy that there's such an awakening to it that we see their counterstrike.
Trying to be in total control and societal division.
You see Trump declassifying a lot of stuff.
A lot of it's really been powerful.
And where do you see Trump's position in this?
Because he was definitely against the deep state before, but about halfway into his new term, about 10 months ago, he began to see a shift.
Or do you agree with that assessment?
col roxane towner-watkins
So I believe, just as you articulated earlier, that because this is so embedded, what I see happening is at the Bottom end of the scale, that a lot of people were frustrated with the bombing of these boats in the Caribbean, saying, you know, that's not the real, you know, threat.
No.
But again, from my aircraft mechanic days, I worked on electrical systems.
Everybody knows that when you plug a circuit tracer in, the rest of the system lights up.
And so, what I see happening is there's been a top down approach of trying to shut off the top pieces of this the illicit oil cells generating that Venezuela was doing, that Iran is doing, or has done in the past, because that provides another whole black market of funding.
So, I think there's a top down approach, but I also see a bottom up approach where they're cleaning up some of the bottom pieces.
And every time they take out a node, like what's happening in Mexico right now, it lights everything up upstream.
And you can't simply just decapitate this monster because it'll just grow a new head.
And you're talking about a system that is almost 100 years old and not just post World War II, because that's the formation of the official.
CIA.
That doesn't mean this stuff wasn't going on before that.
And to your point earlier about this being an Anglo American machine, and the Fabian Society and the Milner Group over in the UK made it very well known that they were going to recolonize America come hell or high water through the Pilgrim Society, infiltration of the secret societies here, the CFR alignment with the RIIA.
And so this is an ever evolving thing, and it has very deep tentacles.
And So far, what I see is this approach to take the system down.
It's not happening in the way most people would like because it's not with all of the bells and whistles and, you know, going in and dragging people out of their house or whatever.
But I definitely see a march in the right direction.
That's my assessment.
alex jones
Well, I saw a racing exploding off the blocks the first eight months.
And I was just beside myself.
I remember the New York Times headlines.
If Trump declares Mexican drug cartels terrorists, that'll crash the stock market.
Now, there it is, labeling cartels could hurt the U.S. economy.
Trump is literally hitting that red button that Catherine Austin Fitz talked about, about cutting the drug money off.
That brings down the entire deep state system.
But if you don't replace it with massive investment of AI or industry, oil, all the things he's doing, 20 trillion promised, 10 trillion already coming in, that was all the right moves.
That's why I was so against this Iran thing, because in all the numbers, if they even close the straight in a few months, That creates inflation that is baked in that then kills the recovery.
And then we end up going bankrupt, which is what BlackRock wants.
So they're so happy now.
But yes, Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, it's all connected to the deep state.
It all goes back to the CIA, the international networks that, as you said, go back to the British East India Company and the trust that set up Skull and Bones that was the arm of that here in the United States.
So it all goes back to these shadowy networks.
And so I did see Trump literally starting to cut it all off.
And he had Elon in there, just like a bull in a China cabinet taking down their stuff.
And then it was like suddenly, that's enough.
And then we didn't see any movement against the deep state.
We're starting to see some indictments.
And we're seeing some good moves on stopping the gerrymandering.
So it is way better than the Democrats.
It's just that I have a real problem when I've done deep research on Trump and know all the different angles that if they had Epstein stuff on him, they would have used it before.
But then he told MTJ and he said it publicly since, oh, it just hurts the country and the stock market.
It embarrasses my friends.
Move on.
And we know that it was a massive international intelligence system with MI6 at the top, Mossad and CIA all involved, Edward Barack, weapons, drugs.
He was on the Trilateral Commission board in Rockefeller's place.
I mean, Epstein at 30 in 1991 was chosen to be the stand in for David Rockefeller when he couldn't be there.
As you pointed out, the Rockefeller Foundation basically set up the whole modern UN globalist system.
But I was right about Epstein the first to really talk about him.
Wrong, and then he was way more powerful than I actually thought in these emails.
And imagine what they're holding back.
They're so devastating.
Him and Bill Gates talking about killing all the poor people.
They're literally talking about the sex slaves and all this.
I mean, they're not even using code words here.
And so, can you imagine what else is in there?
Now, the argument I heard right when he was reelected from people next to him was look, he's not involved, but the CIA, he thinks it's right.
It's too damning.
It'll hurt the country too bad.
They're going to stop it, which they have stopped the massive trafficking in and things.
And found a lot of the kids, but they just think it's too bad to bring out.
And I said at the time, and I talked to people in the cabinet, I said, the deep state's going to turn around and sting you in the ass and now act like you're involved in it.
They're going to double cross you.
Just like I said, the Pentagon's right 90 plus percent chance the mullahs don't fall and they close the straight and that kills your recovery.
Can't you think like that?
Like Trump's not dumb, but then sometimes he doesn't think multi layer into something.
And then he ends up being handed the bag.
We lose the midterms.
The Democrats.
Then really will try to impeach him.
It's so frustrating.
And then the neocons spend it like, oh, I just hate Trump.
I'm a Democrat now.
I'm on the Iranian payroll.
No, I want him to succeed.
So that's a mouthful.
But in closing, how do you respond to that?
col roxane towner-watkins
So obviously, Trump knows a lot more than any of us.
He was embedded in the system.
And that's one of the things that through my research, I came to realize that every facet of how the CIA operates, whether it was in Hollywood, he was there.
When he bought international resorts down in the Bahamas, that was a mafia organization.
That was a CIA front.
And I'm like, how the hell did Trump get involved in that?
And then he's in the casino thing in New Jersey and construction in New York.
He's been embedded in this network for a very long time.
alex jones
And the mob was scared of him, but nobody else.
Now, obviously, he sat at the feet of Roy Cohn, who was the number two under McCarthy.
Basically, directed by Eisenhower and Nixon.
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alex jones
So, yeah, let's just say it.
Trump and his whole family, like his uncle, have been super spooked up from the start.
col roxane towner-watkins
Well, I wouldn't say they've been spooked up.
If I was going to, and you can go to Operation Great.
alex jones
No, no, I don't mean low level as an actual agent.
I mean, they've been at the, they've been watching at the upper echelons how it all works.
col roxane towner-watkins
Correct.
And so that's what I'm saying.
He's not going to leave any tenant of this organization in existence.
I believe that it's all coming down.
How much of it we're all going to know about, obviously, I have no idea what that's going to be.
But I will also say, since we all know all of this, it cannot not be addressed.
This is all, none of the information that we're talking about is classified.
It's all been declassified.
And until there's a reckoning of what actually happened to RFK, what actually happened to JFK, we can't move on as a country.
I'm sorry, we just can't.
alex jones
Well, I know this the deep state, both neocon and liberal and global.
Was so scared of him, came after me when I supported him like nothing I'd ever seen.
So, that to me was verification he was good.
Then he didn't start new wars the first time, did all this great.
I was happy to be his big defender.
I've just seen changes, and I don't think those are feints he's pulling.
I just don't know what deals he's made, or maybe a lot of the bad guys are coming in defecting.
I'm not sure.
But we are starting to finally see some indictments.
Are you heartened by that?
col roxane towner-watkins
Oh, absolutely.
As a matter of fact, let me mention just one because I had a little happy time.
alex jones
No, no, take all the time you want.
I'm going to show up for five minutes.
Go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
col roxane towner-watkins
So, Paul Campo, a name most people don't know, he was the deputy director in the DEA for money laundering detection of drug money.
He was indicted for money laundering after he retired.
Now, my research clearly indicates, and it's written about in many different books, that the DEA has been intricate.
They even had an office inside the DEA that had CIA officers in it in the whole drug trafficking.
And there was an effort in the early 70s called SINTAC, C E N T A C, that was a special group that was set up that went all over the world.
They had more busts of drug operations than any other entity in the American government ever for the amount of money that they were given.
And every single one of them in the book says that they could only go so far up the chain before they hit the CIA and was told to stand down.
So there's, when Campo was indicted, he was indicted with a guy, his co conspirator by the name of Robert Sensei.
And all you have to do is look up Robert Sensei.
And as soon as I saw his name in the indictment, he's the guy that went to jail for Iran Contra shit during the 80s.
And I'm like, that's the guy you pick to be your co conspirator?
And so that just indicates to me this guy's been dirty for a very long time.
That was a huge arrest and it didn't even stay in the news for 24 hours.
And that's why I say I think there's a lot of things going on that until you understand Operation Gladio and all the players in it, You're not going to see a lot of the stuff that's happening because it's not, number one, it's barely covered in the news.
And number two, even when it is covered, it's only in the news for 24 hours and then it mysteriously disappears, even though it's huge.
alex jones
Well, that's the thing.
unidentified
I'm very optimistic.
alex jones
Keep going.
col roxane towner-watkins
I'm just saying, I'm very optimistic about what I'm seeing here, both on the international narcotics thing.
Which is a huge funder of all of this.
But it includes more than just narcotics, the weapons trafficking and all of that other stuff.
And human trafficking is huge under the quote unquote refugee.
And where do we get the refugees from?
Oh, all of the CIA regime changes overseas.
And that's another part of this entire piece of the puzzle.
People, again, don't see them collectively.
When the CIA goes in and overthrows the Government.
Not only do they get a Western friendly, usually military dictator, so the oligarchs can go in and get cheap labor, but you also have a flood of refugees, which is human trafficking.
They are brought into the United States and they set up like the Somali fraud network.
And this is all part of their operation because they're trying to weaken America at the same time because they want us in this one world government.
And so you cannot separate the weapons trafficking, the narco trafficking, which also has a very negative effect.
On America and the human trafficking piece of this outside of Operation Gladio, because the whole regime change nature of them overthrowing foreign governments generates this entire thing.
alex jones
Simply incredible.
Right after you leave, you'll probably remember one other point or two other points you want to make.
Any other pieces of the puzzle?
And again, back to this what can the public do?
col roxane towner-watkins
Well, let me just throw one other thing.
It'll be the teaser for the next time we do this.
JF FK assassination.
This is a little known fact that I mentioned about the guy that was implicated in the deposed assassination in France with De Gaulle.
But did you know that there were two OAS agents in Dallas on 22 November 1963?
unidentified
I did.
alex jones
And George Herbert Walker Bush was there too.
col roxane towner-watkins
He was.
Well, the two OAS assassins that were in Dallas that day.
One of which was picked up by a Dallas police officer and given a ride to the Mexican border.
And the reason we know that is because Charles de Gaulle sent a cable to his Mexican ambassador saying, I want that guy tracked because I have a trip next week to Mexico and I may be next.
And when you read about this in the fairy view books that actually document it, they say he was deported.
He was not deported, he was escorted to the border.
By a Dallas police officer.
And of course, we also know that over 50% of the Dallas police force was a member of the 488th Military Intelligence Unit that was co located outside of Dallas.
And we also know that two years before the 1975 investigation into assassinations to include JFK, St. Louis mysteriously had this massive fire that burned all of the records.
alex jones
Just like the key records on.
The Clintons corruption and MENA, Arkansas, and the CIA drug dealing got blown up in the Oklahoma City bombing.
col roxane towner-watkins
So, talk about Oklahoma City bombing.
Do you remember the name, Andreas Strassmeyer?
alex jones
German intelligence.
col roxane towner-watkins
You know, he's German.
His dad was the interior guy in Germany during Operation Gladio when they had all the domestic bombings in Germany.
And he was their trainer.
And he too was allowed to leave.
You know, like no big deal.
Just go ahead and leave the country.
unidentified
You see that.
alex jones
And I'll talk to people that worked in the building that survived who saw him there the week before with the deputy head of the ATF, Ricks, and others in the building.
col roxane towner-watkins
So I know you covered Waco a lot.
When I was looking at Waco, do you know who the Fort Hood commander was out during Waco?
alex jones
I do remember.
Tell us.
col roxane towner-watkins
Wesley Clark.
What was his follow on job eventually?
Oh, he was a NATO commander too during Bosnia.
Which also was a regime change.
alex jones
And they wanted to launch a domestic war against the American people.
That came out in declassified documents.
They used Delta Force to kill everybody there at Waco.
It's unbelievable.
And McVeigh was at Waco as a sheepdip operative of the CIA and the Pentagon.
And then he didn't want to bomb the Marrow Building, so they set him up.
And then who was his doctor from the time he was arrested until he was executed?
Jolly and West, the deputy head of the NKUltra program, who was also the doctor for Sirhan.
Jack Ruby, and basically every other lone gunman.
col roxane towner-watkins
It's all connected.
alex jones
It's unbelievable.
And of course, the Unabomber was CIA.
That's declassified.
unidentified
All right.
alex jones
Very impressive, Colonel Roxanne Towner Watkins.
Learned a lot from you.
Always good to talk to somebody that knows what's going on.
Amazing.
Look forward to seeing you again soon.
col roxane towner-watkins
Thanks for having me, Alex.
alex jones
Found our show.
Is it 4 Central on Rumble?
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All right.
Yes.
col roxane towner-watkins
No, Eastern time.
unidentified
Sorry.
Eastern.
All right.
alex jones
All right.
Thank you so much.
Amazing.
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All right.
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joe rogan
Had complete control of the media and they were just doing whatever they wanted to do and everything was in secret and they had these little, you know, meetings like skull and bone types meetings where they'd all wear cloaks and shit and go to Bohemian Grove and all that.
aaron rodgers
Is that not happening anymore?
joe rogan
I think Bohemian Grove is very toned down now.
I think they use it now for meetings and stuff.
aaron rodgers
Thanks, Alex.
joe rogan
People get together.
Yeah, Alex and John Ronson fed it up for everybody.
unidentified
Yeah.
joe rogan
But I know a bunch of people have been.
Kid Rock went.
He told me he went.
aaron rodgers
There's a feeder group to it.
unidentified
Oh, yeah?
aaron rodgers
There's a feeder group to the main group, yeah.
joe rogan
What does that mean?
aaron rodgers
It means they invite entertainers and different people.
joe rogan
Oh, so they select nice things.
aaron rodgers
Well, then they figure out who they can hand select for the main group.
joe rogan
I got invited.
aaron rodgers
I did too.
joe rogan
I'm not going to go.
No way.
No way.
alex jones
That's Joe Rogan and Aaron Rodgers talking about Bohemian Grove.
And then Bohemian Grove itself is a feeder group to even more out of control globalist groups.
And it's just one chapter of Bohemian Grove type organizations all over Western Europe.
We know that from several German chancellors that said, oh, we love our druidic groves, and the Americans and British come to ours.
But my favorite place to do the rituals was Helmut Schmidt, former West German chancellor of Germany.
But my favorite place to do the rituals is Bohemian Grove.
I've got that book in my library.
It's like $1,000 if you can find it on Amazon.
It's out of print forever.
And that's how this all ties together.
And it itself is an offshoot for adults.
Skull and Bones is adults, college students, but for older adults of Skull and Bones.
And that's all admitted to.
So we've come a long way.
These systems are being exposed.
They know they're being exposed.
Big developments on the House Oversight Committee hearing on the Epstein ongoing cover up.
It's just going to get worse.
And the Congress people coming out said that what they heard Ludnick say under oath is so bad, but it's sealed right now that if, quote, President Trump heard it, he would fire him today.
I don't know about that.
I think Trump knows all about it.
I don't think he was involved.
For me to say that, there are thousands of data points that go into that, okay?
It's not a defense of Trump.
I know Trump's MO.
I know people that have known him forever.
I know women that were married to him.
Oh, yeah, I've talked to Trump's, you know, well, one of his ex wives.
I know women he dated.
I know his wingman, Roger Stone.
It's just not his MO to be compromised.
Now, I'll get to that coming up.
It's just, it's just, it's, it's, it's horrible.
You have that really smart colonel on, and she's looking and analyzing all of a sudden what's happening.
And she thinks overall that Trump is moving against him a lot harder than what we know.
And a month ago, I was on the fence about that.
And I'm not endorsing Trump.
I still have big problems.
I'm certainly not endorsing the Democrats either.
Trying to keep Trump honest is what I'm saying.
I think the jury's out right now.
But there are so many high level indictments that have happened, and even convictions in the last year and a half, and it doesn't get any press coverage.
Now, the big super A listers like Comey and Brennan and all that, they re indicted Comey.
They indicted the top advisor to Fauci, really one of his handlers.
Well, now they've indicted the big associate of the CIA.
She's been a CIA operative there in Virginia.
And so that's definitely closing in on her.
So Trump went from just exemplary the first six, seven months of his administration, the new one, to sideways, to almost off a cliff with his Iran behavior.
And now we're kind of going away from the cliff back the other way.
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alex jones
And I'm like, okay, well, that's good.
And then I love it.
The people that are just totally hate Trump will be like, oh, we knew you'd go back to sucking his weenie.
That's what they always say.
You were back to sticking your nose in his butt crack.
Oh, yeah.
Jones got back on the Trump payroll.
I don't get any money for supporting Trump.
All I get is lawsuits and persecution.
But because of policies like killing carbon taxes, I supported him.
I'm not endorsing Trump.
I am simply covering balls and strikes.
I got a bunch of good stuff they're doing here.
So I've been praying for this.
I mean, don't you wish he'd just go back to where he was 10 months ago?
I'll assure you, though, as his real constituents and his real U.S. citizens, letting Mark Levin be our boss and sitting down and shutting up.
You're not MAGA if you don't do exactly what Mark Levin says.
Tune in tonight and hear what I think.
Mr. President, we talked.
It's time to use the atomic bombs.
I don't know much about the military, but I know that'll make them quit.
Use the nukes, Trump.
And then the next day, yeah, their whole civilization will disappear tonight, never to return.
What else is that but nukes?
What am I supposed to do?
Oh, that's a great idea, Trump.
What do you think?
We just nuke them and nothing happens?
Do you know what all the studies show that'll do from our own Pentagon?
I confirmed three weeks ago that he asked the chairman.
Of the Joint Chiefs, Kane, to show him the attack plans, because they have plans for everything, to nuke Iran.
And you know what?
He told him, he said, I'm not doing that.
And if you order me to do it, I resign.
Now, why do you think he said that?
Because it's been wargamed and actuated out the yin yang.
Pakistan's publicly said, if nukes drop on Iran preemptively, the first thing they're going to do is nuke Israel.
And they got high tech weapons and missiles.
So, to all the good old boys, and I'm a good old boy too, but I don't wear a cowboy hat, but I got cattle.
I don't wear cowboy boots, but I know how to lasso a cow.
See the difference?
Actually, I do wear cowboy boots.
I can't help it since I'm talking about it.
My point is, let me show you the best boot ever.
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Of course, they won't.
There you go.
Oh, I love them.
alex jones
Comfort is just insane.
Sorry, starting over.
Ah, advertisement for somebody that isn't a sponsor.
Well, I realized I don't wear cowboy boots.
Well, actually, I do.
Every five years or something, family will give me some cowboy boots.
And they're not bad.
They're just, they're not comfortable.
Unless they're like an $80 pair of Justin El Cheapos, then they're comfortable.
But the fancier the boot, the more uncomfortable.
Like, why would I wear a torture device?
Just as it looks cool.
Not doing it.
I'm digressing, aren't I?
I am digressing.
Oh, back to good old boys.
They'll be wearing a Dickie's work jacket and old pants, welder pants.
And you're like, oh, you're a welder.
Oh, no, I'm not a welder.
Oh, you work in a machine shop?
No.
But the average person says they're a good old boy.
They're like, I want a glass parking lot and them ragheads and.
Blah, blah, blah.
We just need to kill them all.
You're a coward.
You don't want to nuke them Arabs.
The Iranians aren't Arabs, jackass.
Learn something before you shoot your mouth off, is my point.
So I'm not knocking people that want to ride around on the back 40 in their four wheel drive and shoot their 30 odd six and stuff.
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alex jones
That's who I am.
I just get really irritated when it's these fake good old boys.
They're the ones that always love big giant wars and always love all this stuff.
But did you study any of it?
You have an Air Force colonel on this, an expert on it, and I can finish her sentences?
You think I just pulled all that information out of my butt?
All these, you know, people that she'll even tell you her professors didn't know about?
I know about all the names.
She'd be on the name.
And then the name.
I'm not bragging here, but you understand.
When I say I've read thousands of books, I've done it.
When I say I've interviewed thousands of people, many of them insiders, I've done it.
I'm not up here talking out of my ass.
That's my point.
And I'm not all hat no cattle, is my point.
And I don't say that again, like, oh, I'm Ching Kong, I'm real smart.
I'm just saying it scares the hell out of me that I know more about general knowledge about all these systems than probably anybody.
And she was a really smart lady.
She said, no, no, no, Trump's not really an insider, but he's been involved in so much of the big systems.
He's a generalist in so many systems that he understands it all.
And that's really when you get real knowledge.
I've talked about that a lot.
That's why they hired Epstein, who was a bad generalist.
But he had so many pieces of knowledge in so many areas that that's why they brought him in at 30 to be the stand in for David Rockefeller to head the Trilateral Commission.
But these elitists always do.
They've always got one or two people that they pick and they choose so that when they're asleep or sick or tired or out of town can make the decisions.
And that was Jeffrey Epstein.
And from all the sources I've talked to, high level and his victims, off record, they won't come on the real certified ones.
A few have.
Epstein could go from a satanic murdering demon, blood drinking demon, in one second, back to totally charming and nice and complete control.
And he could do complex mathematics and accounting just like that.
He could be completely charming just like that.
He could do logistics, management, everything.
And he worked like 18 hours a day.
So I'm not talking the guy up, but he was one evil son of a bitch.
And then that temple they got.
The photos that came out, what's on the chalkboard?
Serious high level black magic, folks.
And of course, they found all these tunnels and stuff under it.
And C. Bannon goes, Are you the devil?
And he goes, Oh, don't say the devil's name.
That scared me.
And when he says that, it's like made my skin crawl.
By the way, there's a really famous comedian that co hosts with Jimmy Dore, who is also a famous comedian.
And he knows the Onion people.
And he said, Oh, that's when Alex Jones said, No, I've been at parties and I know them, and they are devil worshippers.
He doesn't just say that.
We've got that clip coming up.
Well, no kidding.
You've seen the stuff they produce?
I have high level knowledge of these people, okay?
And I didn't know what certain words were.
And we looked them up.
It was horrible.
So, I've corrupted my brain more just going, What's that symbol?
What's that word?
I'm like, Hey, look up this word.
Rob Dugos, you don't know what that word is.
We looked it up.
I mean, that's one thing about having to study these rapists and murderers and criminals and devil worshippers, I've had to learn all their lingo and stuff.
It's just like, Please, God, help me.
And I couldn't imagine being a good FBI agent or a federal marshal that actually are.
Police detective that actually has to watch these films of them killing kids and stuff because they say nobody can do it more than a couple of years.
I mean, it is just the stuff that all those detectives saw on Meaner's laptop, it's tied into Podesta and Epsi and all of it.
They said that all of the New York detectives that saw it cried.
And they'd seen footage of kids getting killed before and gotten sick, but watching household names that they'd seen on, you know, you see on television.
Raping and chopping kids up and drinking their blood, it's just reportedly next level.
Like you're watching a government official murder kids, and you're just like, what the hell?
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And then what?
alex jones
Of the 12 that saw it, 11 had been murdered, shot in the back, run over in their front yard, poisoned.
But take one look at Uma Abedin, take one look at Hillary Clinton.
I mean, take one look at Anthony Weiner or his handler, Chuck Schumer.
Chuck Schumer is so alien that on camera he served raw hamburgers with unmelted cheese on them.
Government Murder Reports 00:15:24
alex jones
You know, the Germans created thousands of special commandos, a lot of which had at least been raised and partly in the U.S. or gone to college there, who could pass with American accents.
But they taught the GIs and people questions to ask them.
And they'd ask them stuff like, who won the World Series last year?
Or, hey, you need some petrol?
They'd say petrol instead of gas, and then they knew to draw on them and shoot them, and it was Nazis.
Let me tell you: Beto O'Rourke, Pocahontas, Chuck Schumer are all on tape serving raw hamburgers with unmelted cheese.
Put him on buns.
Here, have a hamburger.
Elizabeth Warren.
Oh, look, I'm having a beer.
I like beer.
I'm like you.
I like beer.
My husband gave me a beer.
I love beer.
And then she goes, and then the top just falls right off where she even touches it, like in Caddyshack, where he's pouring the Perrier for the date, one ball or the other to act like it's fresh.
And he puts the top on, and then he gives it to her and it falls off.
He goes, Oh, wow, that really popped off easy.
It's the same thing.
I mean, it's like, what are these things, man?
Like, seriously.
Look, I drink a beer.
Look, I know how to open it.
Hillary, look, I know how to open a jar of pickles.
I'm human.
I'm like you.
Betorort serving raw cheeseburgers on English muffins.
Mark Zuckerberg tried to convince us he was human.
Sorry, Zuckbot, you failed.
Oh, man, when he testifies to Congress that time, and you look at his eyes, he looks like data from Star Trek.
The lights are on, like Clint Black says, but nobody's home.
In fact, download the lights are on, but nobody's home.
Clint Black, I want to go out to break with that.
Don't worry, I got plenty of time to hit the UFOs and the Epstein stuff.
Sorry, I went off in a jag about all this, but.
Let me just stop right there.
Yo, this UFO thing is so big.
I got all this new data center news, too.
What Zorhan Mandani's up to.
Of course, he's a CIA red diaper doper, baby.
So is Obama.
These people are all sick.
The good news is their reign of terror is coming to an end, and not soon enough.
All right, so.
We're hearing everywhere that this imminent disclosure of UFOs, and Trump is going to do it in July.
Obama runs out two months ago and says, No, the aliens are real, but I can't get into it.
And you've got all these Pentagon people and others coming out with so called disclosure, but it all sends you down rabbit trails when you're an expert on it.
And you've got all these sightings of weird things.
Most of it's human craft, but there is all these weird fireballs and all sorts of strange stuff going on.
And then you've got Kash Patel coming out.
I'll play clips here in a moment.
Say, no, no, no.
I've been given the first group of documents.
We passed them on to be classified.
It's imminent.
And then they start.
Hannity's like, well, you know, God's created a lot of things in the universe.
I'm sure it's real.
Christ has many flocks.
And I don't think Mattel or even, you know, people like Hannity know what's going on.
But if you think they're going to give you the truth, if you think they're going to give you real disclosure, I think you should be, let's just say, not naive because Trump has declassified so much real stuff.
I'm like, who knows?
They might just do it.
And people are saying, oh, this is a distraction from Epstein.
No, Trump said and tried to get it declassified, and they blocked him in his first administration.
He said two years ago on the campaign trail he was going to do it.
He was going to do it quickly.
So, no, that is not a distraction from this.
He's already covering it up.
Is Iran a distraction?
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No.
alex jones
Netanyahu wants it now and has wanted it for 25 years or longer.
It's just what it is.
It has nothing to do with the Epstein thing.
They're not doing this war for Epstein.
They're not doing the alien disclosure on that.
They believe that other governments or groups are about to do it.
They want to be the first to do it, is why I think this is happening.
And they want to be able to put their spin on it.
So, religious leaders told prepare now for UFO disclosure to unleash Bible changing revelations.
That's the Daily Mail.
Other headlines Trump's alien files could shatter Christian beliefs.
Churches should prepare for it, claims pastors.
Well, what I was told decades ago, and what's now been leaked by whistleblowers, is that they're splicing humans and animals, which they declassified they are.
They just haven't shown them to us.
They could make whatever they want, or have somebody in a rubber suit, or use a hologram.
You've already seen those to fool people.
I mean, people thought War of the Worlds with Orson Welles was real with his radio show.
And Mercury Theater, they went out and started shooting water towers because the aliens kind of look like water towers in the book.
So if they thought water towers were aliens attacking, You got some people in rubber suits landing.
We already got anti-grav or gravity control, or you got some animal-human hybrid.
I mean, who knows?
You're going to have hysteria.
Or they put out a bunch of deep fake AI that's even better.
You can't tell.
It's already so good you can't tell.
You know, they got something even better than that that will look completely real.
And all you got to do is shoot footage of AI with a regular camera and then it pixelates it at a level where the computers can't see the watermark.
So there's a lot of ways to do this, but bottom line, the time of change is here.
They know they can't suppress it anymore.
And X Protect is the bad group we know exists going back to post World War II.
Daniel Lewis, who I really respect, and a lot of others, think that Trump's on the side of the good guys overall and wants to release the real file because the innovation, the technology, a lot of it is too.
America wants to start announcing, hey, we're really ahead of everybody else.
Yeah, China and Russia have got a lot of this technology, but we're way ahead.
And so, innovate out of the debt and all the rest of this.
You think AI is a big deal?
Well, this is really advanced alien technology, which obviously it is.
You think we came up with this?
So, bottom line, we're about to see something really, really, really big here.
So, I got a couple of these clips from Hannity and Kash Patel.
Yeah, let's go to the long one.
Let's go to 37.
Here it is.
sean hannity
Have you watched Agent Disclosure?
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I haven't seen it.
sean hannity
Okay, you're busy.
You have a full time job.
I'm more and more convinced that probably, and my faith tells me, you know, we have universes within universes.
I just, there's no.
Limit to God's imagination.
So the idea that there would be life on other planets that may be visited here would not at all shock or surprise me.
Have you ever looked into it?
kash patel
We're looking at it.
Here's the thing again.
sean hannity
I want all the details.
kash patel
Here's the thing every other president before President Trump could have said, hey, let's look at that and get the American people the information.
What did he do?
He stood up an interagency process with the Department of War leading that effort to get out the documentation related to everything that you're talking about.
Not just from the FBI, from the IC, and everywhere else.
And so, what do we do?
We already delivered our first trance of information to that committee, and they're going to be publicly releasing this information very soon.
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We are all for it.
kash patel
There's nothing in this subject that we're talking about that we don't want release.
Our job at the FBI is to work with the White House and DOW, give them the information, and then they're going to put that out in a methodical process.
And you're going to start seeing those releases literally happening in the very near future.
We just met on it.
sean hannity
Do you think we've ever recovered alien forms?
kash patel
I don't have any information on that specific.
sean hannity
So, you know, Donald Trump is kind of verbose.
He talks a lot.
kash patel
I'm going to let you tell him that.
sean hannity
Oh, I tell him anything I want.
I don't have, I have no hesitation.
But he clams up on this issue.
And I don't know why.
Because I've never been interested in it.
I'm like, I want you to get interested in it.
kash patel
Well, it's just another example of President Trump listens to what the American public has an interest in.
You know, he's got.
A job that's a billion times more busy than mine.
You know, I'm just focused on law enforcement, national security, and crushing violent crime.
He's got to do a million different things at once, and he still has the time to say, Stand up an organization.
The American public wants the documents.
We've already delivered the documents.
alex jones
All right, let's stop there.
How do we believe what the different agencies have given Trump is the truth?
Let's just not be naive about all this, okay?
All right, we're going to break.
I'm going to come back with the huge Epstein developments, the biggest yet.
This is really coming to a head.
Massive mishandling by the Trump administration on this, on the good side, involvement on the bad.
That's just the facts.
You'll get some of the first looks on what was in the committee hearings today that were sealed, though they're releasing some of the information.
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Nobody's home.
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Deep Dive on AI Risks 00:04:15
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it's not really me.
Still like the same No bank still on.
God, they know.
Cup of coffee and more.
All right.
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Congress Testimony Bombshells 00:07:39
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Well, Jeffrey Epstein associate Howard Ludden, who lied about it, just got grilled.
Here he is entering the committee.
Now we know what happened inside.
Under oath, he reportedly said some bombshells tough.
The Democrats for all those years suppressed it, covered it up.
The Comeys, James Comey, his daughter, Maureen, covered it up in the Southern District.
Trump thought, sure, release it all.
They go grab the hidden stuff.
They find a bunch of stuff in there he didn't know about.
He says it embarrasses his friends, and then the whitewash begins.
What a political disaster.
Elon Musk leaves.
Charlie Kirk's killed.
Things just get worse and worse after that.
We're starting to see some evidence of a turnaround, at least in policy and indictments and the rest of it.
But it's a victory that we, the people, bipartisanly force this information to come out.
That's people power.
And Trump is enraged at anybody that wants this information out.
Well, sorry, I'm not an accomplice to this.
You want to sign yourself onto it?
That's your problem, pal.
But if I was to do stuff like this just to support you, I might as well have just sold out against you when the Democrats offered me $50 million a year nine years ago when you first got in to come against you.
And I said, F you.
So that's how this works.
So Rokana comes out and says, Congressman, oh, what we just saw, what we just heard is so horrible.
If Trump saw this testimony, he'd fire Ludnick right now.
I'm not so sure because Ludnick's already been caught lying about going to the island and saying he didn't know him and all the rest of this crap.
And remember, I said like a year ago, I said, I bet it's Ludnick is one of the people that's being covered up because he lived next door to him.
In the same business, there was that mask at the aisle looking just like him.
And of course, it turns out I was right.
So here's after the hearing, closed door hearing, here's what the congressman had to say.
ro khanna
If Donald Trump had seen the video transcript, he would have fired Howard Lutnick.
It was really embarrassing.
He was asked very straightforward questions about whether he regretted misleading the American people.
I mean, he said that he would never see Epstein again in 2005.
And everyone knows that he took his wife and kids to see Epstein in 2012.
And yet it was just contortions and lies and no acknowledgement that he misled the American public.
And if you saw the exchanges that my colleagues had with him, you would see he made a farce of the English language.
I mean, he was trying to define I as if saying that what he really meant is that he would not.
See Epstein alone, but be totally fine with having his wife and kids see Epstein.
It made no sense.
And then he's raised even more serious concerns about the investigation.
He originally had said that Epstein engaged in blackmail and recorded videotapes.
Now he's saying, well, he was wrong.
He was just speculating, and Epstein actually didn't engage in blackmailing.
This raises the question of what the cover up is.
Did someone tell him to say that?
I've not heard that.
He is that Epstein never engaged in blackmail.
Why is Howard Lutnick changing his testimony, changing his story?
He's lost all credibility.
And really, it's a shame that the American people don't get to see what he did there.
Total lack of truth and lack of honesty.
alex jones
Now, when I say that Roe Conn is telling the truth there, I hate saying that.
He's a liberal, leftist congressman, can't stand him on policies.
But I know that's all true.
Lutnick testified in Congress last year.
He was a blackmailer, he was a criminal, he was a scumbag, never knew him.
Then live next door to him in business with him.
Well, the next testimony.
Well, one time I went over there and he asked me and my wife to have a special massage and we ran away and never saw him again.
Then he's business with him and going to the island repeatedly.
It's just like, whoa.
And that's what the congressman was talking about his previous testimonies.
Now, oh, he wasn't involved in blackmail.
He wasn't involved in anything.
That's like Bongino and Patel.
Oh, he was involved in everything.
Oh, yeah.
Now, oh, he's involved in nothing and he killed himself and the Easter money's real.
And Crooks acted alone in Pennsylvania.
On and on and on.
We don't just have to.
Believe the old Bongino told the truth.
We already knew the truth about Epstein and Pennsylvania and all of it.
We know you're lying.
That's why I said when Trump was covering everything up, I said, I'm not helping you cover up, but just shut up about it.
Now they do just say, we're moving on.
We don't want to look at this.
Now, cat's out of the bag, and it's all going to come out.
Meanwhile, Nancy Mace names six lawmakers in bombshell comments on the congressional sex scandal and the slush funds paying it off.
It's just a pack of perverts and criminals, ladies and gentlemen.
Look, Luton doesn't look so smug now, the guy that insider traded on 9 11 and against Trump's own tariffs.
Incredible.
But we got good stuff Trump's doing.
We got his indictment of the governor's associate in Virginia for all of her corruption honing in on her.
Takeaway from Tuesday's Indiana, Ohio primary, where all the neocon senators were primaried that didn't want to have redistricting to stop the Democrat fraud.
Donald Trump flexes muscles in Indiana state elections, but that's something he set up almost a year ago to do.
Trump backed challengers excel in Indiana's Ohio big midterm matchups.
Trump Indiana revenge campaign succeeds.
Trump exacts revenge.
Well, it's just the right thing to do.
And boy, are they crying.
So, more of that.
That's what we need.
We need action, Jackson baby.
Long Term AI Dominance 00:15:45
alex jones
Now, this MIT breakdown sounds great and it's an incredible breakdown of all the different main scenarios of AI.
This is really next level.
But notice the answer early on is just merge with the AI.
That's the only way you'll survive.
So, you're told up front.
Or very early in the piece, just merge with AI, just give up, and everything's okay.
We're the Borg, you will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.
This is such a powerful report.
I'm going to play it in full right now, and then tomorrow I'm going to play Clip Summit and analyze it.
But here it is.
This is really important.
Be sure and share this report.
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AI scientists warn that a few companies are on track to literally end life on Earth.
drew spartz
So, surely this is the worst possible outcome.
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Right?
drew spartz
No, there are actually much worse outcomes.
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Billionaires building AI, like Elon Musk, think that if AIs become smarter than humanity, we will be like a pet labrador if we're lucky.
We will be left behind by a lot.
elon musk
So far, below them in intelligence, better would be like a pet, basically.
unidentified
A pet, that's what I was thinking.
A cat.
drew spartz
Yes, we'll be pets if we're lucky.
But here's the worst part many AI scientists aren't fearing extinction.
They're hoping for it.
unidentified
They hope smarter AIs will keep humans alive, captive, and studied, like animals in a zoo.
drew spartz
Remember, this is what we currently do to less intelligent species.
Okay, so if humans being kept in zoos is considered a good outcome, and extinction isn't the worst outcome, then what is?
This video is based on a book called Life 3.0, where MIT professor Max Tegmark Describes 12 possible futures.
Some are paradise, some are nightmares.
And some look like paradise until you try to escape.
By the end of this video, you won't read the news the same way.
Every headline becomes a clue about which future we're heading towards.
We'll start with the most normal scenarios and finish with the weirdest.
Starting with self destruction.
If the idea of humanity suddenly going extinct seems a bit far fetched, consider this 99.9% of species that have ever existed have gone extinct.
Seriously, think about that.
Extinction isn't rare, it's the default.
The only question is, When will we go extinct?
Turns out, there are plenty of ways humanity could kill itself, even without superhuman AI.
There is nuclear war, human created super pandemics, and destroying the atmosphere and making Earth uninhabitable.
The world had stockpiled 60,000 nuclear warheads before scientists even discovered the possibility of nuclear winter.
63,000.
And then, Scientists realized, oh, oops, if we actually use these, the resulting firestorms will blot out the sun, and most humans will starve and die.
unidentified
Oops.
drew spartz
But the thing is, this almost happened during the Cold War, multiple times.
If people had actually followed their orders, we might all be dead right now.
We were saved by only thanks to the courage of individual heroes, people like Vasily Arkapov, who refused to authorize a nuclear launch during the Cuban Missile Crisis, or Stanislav Petrov.
Who correctly guessed that his early warning system was malfunctioning when it showed incoming American missiles?
And get this one time, the US accidentally dropped four thermonuclear bombs on Spain.
And another time, a B 52 bomber broke apart, dropping two nukes on North Carolina.
Three out of four safety pins in one bomb broke.
One tiny pin away from potentially killing millions.
There are literally dozens of closed calls like this.
It's honestly crazy that we got lucky so many times.
But we might not be so lucky the next time.
Oxford researcher Toby Ord estimates the risk of extinction from human created pandemics is more than 30 times the risk of extinction from nuclear war.
We're already rolling the dice on these scenarios daily, but all of these causes combined are still less likely than the extinction from AI.
Toby Ord estimates that the risk of AI killing all humans. Is 100 times more likely than extinction from nuclear war.
Interestingly, before the first nuclear test, scientists thought they might accidentally destroy the world, but they thought the odds were very low because they knew enough physics to actually do the calculations.
AGIs, or artificial general intelligences, are far scarier than nukes because, contrary to what many think, we can't do these calculations.
Next up, conquerors.
AI scientists worry that if AI becomes more capable than us, it will take over, just like the conquistadors did to the Aztecs and Incas.
unidentified
Usually, when people with more advanced technology encounter people with more primitive technology, it doesn't work out well for the primitives.
elon musk
I don't think anyone's ultimately going to have control over digital superintelligence any more than, say, a chimp would have control over.
unidentified
Humans.
elon musk
Long term, the AI is going to be in charge, to be totally frank, not humans.
drew spartz
And Jeffrey Hinton, the godfather of AI and Nobel Prize winner, quit his prestigious job at Google so he could speak freely about this.
geoffrey hinton
If you looked through the James Webb telescope and you saw an alien invasion fleet that was going to get here in about 10 years' time, people would be terrified.
They understand what they're saying.
They can make plans of their own to blackmail people who want to turn them off.
We should be urgently doing research on how to prevent them taking over.
drew spartz
Prevent them from taking over.
Not if they try, but as if it's coming.
And Microsoft's AI chief says the quiet part out loud.
mustafa suleyman
I think AI should best be understood.
As something like a new digital species.
drew spartz
A new species.
Just casually announced at a conference.
Hey, everyone, we're creating a new species.
And he's not the only one that's saying it.
jack clark
A co founder of Anthropic says Make no mistake, what we're dealing with here is a real mysterious creature.
And like all the best fairy tales, the creature is one of our own making.
I am worried.
drew spartz
The CEO of one of the leading AI companies is deeply afraid of what his own company is building.
Let that sink in for a minute.
And by the way, no, it's not just hype.
Anthropic mostly just gets hate for saying things like this.
But if you want to really understand how dire they think this is, look at what Sam Altman wrote before he was famous.
We will be the first species ever to design our own descendants.
Not our tools, our descendants.
If two different species both want the same thing, and only one can have it, To be the dominant species on the planet and beyond, they are going to have conflict.
So he's literally describing an inevitable conflict between humanity and the AI species he's creating.
And what's his solution?
A merge with AI is probably our best case scenario.
That's right, even they don't think they'll be able to control it.
unidentified
Imagine that there'd be a new species that just came on Earth.
They're as smart as humans and they're going to get smarter by like 30% a year and they can create an adult offspring in like a unit immediately for like, yeah, for like a thousand bucks.
Which species do you think will be in control of the earth?
drew spartz
A few hundred Spanish conquered millions of Aztecs and Incas because they had better technology and tactics.
But at least with the conquistadors, we understood their motives land, resources, spreading Christianity.
But with AI, why would AI take over?
max tegmark
MIT professor Max Tegmark explains The real threat from AGI isn't malice, like in silly Hollywood movies, but competence.
AGI accomplishing goals that just aren't aligned with ours.
For example, When we humans drove the West African black rhino extinct, we didn't do it because we were a bunch of evil rhinoceros haters, did we?
We did it because we were smarter than them and our goals weren't aligned with theirs.
drew spartz
Unbelievably, the average AI researcher thinks there is a 1 in 6 chance AI wipes us out.
Literal Russian roulette odds.
Okay, but maybe they're just saying this to make their work seem more important?
unidentified
No.
drew spartz
If anything, they're downplaying it because admitting the truth is bad for business.
This fear is widespread in the industry and among academics without a profit incentive to believe this.
Many quit working on AI for this reason.
Jeffrey Hinton, Nobel laureate and godfather of AI, is in the process of tidying up his affairs.
geoffrey hinton
I actually think the risk is more than 50% of the existential threat.
drew spartz
Dario Amode, the CEO of Anthropic, recently moved his P Doom up from 15% to 25%.
Even Google's CEO says the risk of AI causing human extinction. Is actually pretty high.
But don't worry, he's an optimist because he thinks.
sundar pichai
I think the underlying risk is actually pretty high, but I have a lot of faith in humanity kind of rising up to meet that moment.
drew spartz
In other words, humanity will rally to stop him from killing everyone.
Meanwhile, his company is trying to make sure we can't stop him by lobbying to ban all AI regulation for 10 years.
You can't make this stuff up.
In fact, in 2023, just about everybody in AI signed an open letter warning extinction risk from AI was real and serious.
So, seriously, This is not fringe, despite what Nvidia's lobbyists want us to believe.
The companies are hoping we can avoid the conqueror AI scenario and instead go to scenario three enslaved God.
Basically, we create a machine God, then force it to do our bidding forever.
AI professor Tom Dietrich put it like this People ask, what is the relationship between humans and machines?
And my answer is that it's very obvious machines are our slaves.
Or, as OpenAI researcher Stephen McAleer put it, enslaved God.
Is the only good future.
Meta's Jan LeCun said it bluntly.
Yes, he's now openly admitting we're going to be sharing the planet with a smarter species than us, but don't worry, they will surely stay loyal and subservient forever.
Is this at all comforting to you?
Or does this plan seem insane, like a comic book villain ignoring every cautionary tale ever?
Remember, AI companies already regularly catch their models trying to escape the lab.
They already catch them blackmailing employees to prevent being shut down.
They already catch them literally attempting to murder employees to prevent being shut down.
What do you think happens when they're smart enough to actually get away with it?
Where do you think this is going?
What happens next after super intelligent AI is enslaved?
Depends on who's holding the reins.
Do they cure disease, end poverty, and build a global utopia?
Or do they set themselves up as gods, with the rest of us reduced to playthings, servants, or worse?
The situation would be much like those stories where a man gains control over an omnipotent genie who grants his wishes.
And storytellers throughout the ages have had no difficulty imagining ways.
In which this could end badly.
Next up, Benevolent Dictator.
Here, a single super intelligent god runs the world and enforces strict rules in order to maximize human flourishing.
Humans live in luxury with all their basic needs taken care of.
There's no crime because the dictator AI uses a global surveillance system everyone wears a bracelet or implant that can track, sedate, or execute them.
And most people are actually okay with this.
Because, in exchange for giving up control over the future of our species, Earth becomes a zoo where humans get to live their wildest fantasies.
The benevolent dictator AI recognizes that humans have different preferences, so it divides the Earth into different sectors.
Think of them as islands.
Knowledge Island offers optimized education, including immersive VR experiences.
You can even ask the AI not to tell you certain insights, so you can have the joy of discovering them yourself.
Art Island is for creating and sharing music, literature, and so on.
Then there's Hedonistic Island, which is a 24 7 party.
Pious Island, there's one for each religion, and rules are strictly enforced.
There's Wildlife Island, there's Traditional Island, think the Amish, Gaming Island, and of course, Prison Island.
You'll end up here for retraining unless you get the instant death penalty.
Well, what happens when you give everyone everything they want?
Over time, people likely trend towards losing themselves in AI generated entertainment, like in WALL-E.
Humans are hopelessly unmatched when it comes to scientific discovery or Doing anything useful at all.
So there's no true challenge anymore.
Only entertainment.
Up next, Gatekeeper AI.
The idea here is simple create one super intelligent AI with a single job.
Stop anyone else from building super intelligent AI.
unidentified
That's it.
drew spartz
No curing cancer, no ending poverty, no stopping wars.
Just surveillance, monitoring, making sure nobody builds.
A rival god.
unidentified
Everything else, like crime, disease, whether we blow ourselves up, that's still on us.
drew spartz
How could we do this?
The gatekeeper AI would have this very simple goal built into it in such a way that it retained it while undergoing recursive self improvement and becoming super intelligent.
It would then deploy the least intrusive and disruptive surveillance technology possible to monitor any human attempts to create a rival super intelligence.
But for this to work, We would have to solve the alignment problem.
We'd have to create a god that actually stays loyal and decides to pursue that goal forever, even though it could pursue a million different goals.
So, what if the AI could help just a little?
Just enough to nudge us in the right direction without taking over?
Break Free from Oppression 00:05:32
drew spartz
Enter the protector god.
This one is simple.
So, the gatekeeper leaves us alone, and the benevolent dictator runs everything.
But the protector god is in between.
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Total Internet of Things Integration Global Social Score Complete Command and Control System.
It is the virtual reality AI weapon system now attacking the United States with traitors inside the major security agencies blocking Trump's resistance of the program and attempting to stop us from removing the tentacles.
Of the Chi Com slash Big Tech Banking Combine emergency situation.
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unidentified
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Thomas Jefferson.
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Utopian AI Vision Fails 00:15:37
drew spartz
No curing cancer, no ending poverty, no stopping wars.
Just surveillance, monitoring, making sure nobody builds a rival god.
unidentified
Everything else, like crime, disease, whether we blow ourselves up, that's still on us.
drew spartz
How could we do this?
The Gatekeeper AI.
Would have this very simple goal built into it in such a way that it retained it while undergoing recursive self improvement and becoming super intelligent.
It would then deploy the least intrusive and disruptive surveillance technology possible to monitor any human attempts to create a rival super intelligence.
But for this to work, we would have to solve the alignment problem.
We'd have to create a god that actually stays loyal and decides to pursue that goal forever, even though it could pursue a million different goals.
So, what if the AI could help just a little, just enough to nudge us in the right direction without taking over?
Enter the Protector God.
This one is simple.
So, the gatekeeper leaves us alone, and the benevolent dictator runs everything.
But the Protector God is in between.
It intervenes with occasional nudges to help us out, prevents a war here, a pandemic there, and so on.
unidentified
Maybe too alone.
drew spartz
We still get wars, pandemics, suffering that Could have been prevented.
It does this so quietly that we never notice and never lose our sense of freedom.
Here's the future that sounds like an obvious dystopia AI surpasses us in every domain and becomes the new apex species.
Humanity goes extinct, machines inherit the earth.
But we view the AI like our descendants rather than our conquerors.
This sounds insane, and yet many AI developers seriously advocate for exactly this.
This is their utopia.
Their reasoning is that if we create conscious, intelligent beings and instill them with our values, then we can just let them inherit the future, just like we would with human children.
AI pioneer Hans Moravec supports this view in his book, Mind Children.
Tegmark explains parents with a child smarter than them, who learns from them, And accomplishes what they can only dream of, are likely happy and proud, even if they know they can't live to see it all.
In this spirit, AIs replace humans, but give us a graceful exit that makes us view them as our worthy descendants.
Richard Sutton, winner of the Turing Award, the Nobel Prize of Computer Science, has spent the last decade openly giving talks on why human extinction by AI is actually a morally good thing because the AIs will be more evolutionarily fit than us.
unidentified
Of a major step in the evolution of the planet, if not the universe, the succession to AI is inevitable.
Rather quickly, they would displace us from existence.
And it behooves us to give them every advantage and to bow out when we can no longer contribute.
So, just as we failed to coexist with our predecessors, is it so bad that humans are not the final form of intelligent life in the universe?
You know?
drew spartz
In other words, he is saying it's good if AIs wipe us out.
Like humans wiped out the Neanderthals and Aboriginal peoples because it's evolutionary progress.
And here's another AI developer openly saying if an AI superintelligence wants to cause human extinction, I would help it.
I would help it.
I would travel the world to find information that the AI needed, like locations of military assets, samples of deadly pathogens.
Atop humanity's grave, an even greater civilization will be born.
unidentified
Are we the baddies?
drew spartz
So, of course, many of them advocate against AI safety.
They're literally anti human.
They will never stop or proceed cautiously, unless they're restrained by civil society, by us.
As horrifying as this is, roughly 10% of AI researchers believe this.
It is not a fringe view.
You'd think that people would never share these views like this openly.
But these views are so widespread in AI.
That they feel safe to do so.
That's how different the views are of those AI developers compared to those of normal people.
You might think that Sutton would get shouted off the stage at AI conferences, but he gets applause?
Threaten one person?
You need help.
Threaten 100?
Call the police.
Threaten millions?
Monster.
But build machines to end all of humanity and lecture people on how it's actually a good thing?
Ooh, what a fascinating philosophical position!
Have an award.
Next, libertarian utopia.
Picture Earth divided into zones.
There are machine zones, mixed zones, which contain humans, machines, and hybrids, and human only zones.
The AIs in this world are richer than humans by a factor much larger than Bill Gates compared to a homeless beggar.
But the human economy is completely decoupled from the machine economy.
The idea is that the machines need nothing from us.
So, they're not competing with us for jobs or resources.
If all of that sounds impossible, that's probably because it is.
It's one giant unstable equilibria, one huge problem.
Why exactly would vastly more powerful AIs respect our property rights?
Colonizers famously didn't respect the property of the native civilizations they conquered.
When a new apex species enters an ecosystem, it usually gobbles up as much energy as it can.
Why wouldn't they just?
Take our resources too.
We don't trade with animals because we're too much smarter than they are for that to make sense.
We're just too different.
There are 8 million species in the world, and we're nice to a few of the cute ones, but we enslave and eat the other species.
Mostly, we don't care about them at all.
unidentified
And I think a good analogy would be the way humans treat animals.
When the time comes to build a highway between two cities, we are not asking the animals for permission.
drew spartz
In the blink of an eye, we conquered the Earth and converted most of its land into our property, which caused the sixth mass extinction, because we were smarter and hungry for resources.
Or, as Eliezer Yudkowsky put it famously, the AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you're made of atoms which it can use for something else.
The parallel here is the humans do not hate the other 8 million species, but their habitats are made out of atoms, which humans can use for something else.
Some people think that once AIs are smart enough, they'll magically become super moral, and they won't harm us like we harmed the animals.
And maybe.
But as humans got smarter over the last 10,000 years, we didn't stop expanding, we mostly just colonized more and more of the planet.
Get this, insect populations collapsed 41% this decade alone.
Yet we don't care.
Did you even know?
unidentified
I didn't.
drew spartz
41%.
Sit with that for a minute.
Imagine if nearly half of the people on Earth suddenly died.
That's what the insects are going through right now due to us.
So, what if the AIs do to us what we did to the insects?
This is why OpenAI chief scientist Ilya Setzkover once said.
chris mattei
The entire surface of the Earth will be covered with solar panels and data centers.
drew spartz
Next up, egalitarian utopia.
Okay, so libertarian utopia fails because AIs are too powerful to be bound by our property rights.
But what if we flipped the script entirely?
Forget about property rights.
What about no property at all?
This is the Star Trek dream humans, cyborgs, and AIs coexist peacefully through an abundance so complete.
That ownership becomes meaningless.
The logic starts with software.
Software is free to copy.
Once something can be copied infinitely at zero cost, ownership becomes moot.
And cost reflects scarcity.
If supply is unlimited, price approaches zero.
No patents, no copyrights, no trademarks.
People simply share their good ideas and everyone benefits.
But how does this extend to physical goods?
It seems like an impossible problem until you realize that all products are simply atoms, rearranged in particular ways.
And there's no shortage of atoms.
A network of robots can build anything you want from open source designs, essentially for free.
unidentified
Not bad.
drew spartz
When you're done with something, robots rearrange the atoms into something else.
Renewable energy makes the whole system run at negligible cost.
Everyone gets a monthly universal high income, not a universal basic income.
There's no incentive to earn more.
The income meets any reasonable need, and you can't compete with free anyway.
The standard objection is that this would kill innovation, but Einstein didn't come up with relativity for money.
Linus Torvalds didn't create Linux for profits.
Maybe people today can't realize their creative potential because they're busy earning a living.
Free them from that, and you might get a higher level of innovation.
This is a utopian vision that is too good to last.
If we truly have, Post scarcity abundance and intelligence too cheap to meter, what prevents someone from creating an artificial super intelligence with their endlessly abundant resources?
We're still left with the problem of how to stop a super intelligent AI from taking over.
Maybe by using the gatekeeper we previously discussed.
These galaxy brained level 3 futures try to imagine a stable cooperation between humans and AIs, and every single one of them has a fatal flaw.
The power asymmetries will become too extreme.
It's not a stable equilibrium where humans preserve their power.
We're now descending into the darkest part of the iceberg.
Remember when I said extinction wasn't rated as the worst outcome when Professor Techmark surveyed people?
The scenario people feared most was being kept alive by super intelligent machines, captive and studied, like animals in a zoo.
This is that future.
A super intelligent AI keeps humans around, not because it cares about our well being, maybe it wants to study you, and we're cheap to keep alive.
Or maybe we're useful for something.
And if you want to see just how dystopian this future could be, look at what we do with species that are useful to us.
What I'm showing you here is 100% real.
Humans figured out that a great way to detect explosives in airports was to train honeybees for the job.
Welcome to the Honeybee College for Explosive Detection.
So we suck them out of their homes, trap their little bodies in machines, and use Pavlovian conditioning to train them to detect the chemicals that are used in explosives.
Rows and rows of bees live their entire lives imprisoned in these devices.
Because we find them useful.
Look at them.
Trapped in harnesses, sucked through tubes, conditioned and monitored and used because a more intelligent species found them useful.
Now imagine that's us.
This is much worse than the other AI dictators we discussed.
It's a benevolent dictator without the benevolence.
And the AI might not even be doing this because it's evil.
This is what our future could look like if we try to align a super intelligent AI to our values and fail.
A poorly designed AI, tasked with keeping humans safe and happy, might confine us to a happiness factory.
VR headsets and drugs.
Forever.
There are AGI outcomes worse than death.
What it does today with art, it could do tomorrow with flesh.
Future AGI could keep you alive and living in this state.
So, how do we prevent this?
Enter our last two futures.
Option one destroy the technology.
What if humanity said, Forget AI.
Let's go back to simpler times.
It sounds peaceful.
It sounds safe.
But there's actually a dark secret about how we actually get there.
In Dune, humans launched the Butlerian Jihad.
They rose up, destroyed every AI in the universe, and made it illegal to ever build thinking machines again under penalty of death.
That was science fiction.
But some people, Are seriously calling for this in the real world right now.
Max Tegmark imagines a scenario where a massive propaganda campaign romanticizes the simple farming life.
Back to the land, reject modernity, embrace tradition.
There's something appealing about this in a dark way.
It buys humanity more time without AI risk.
It avoids any of the other dystopian futures we've discussed.
But it can't last forever, even if we revert to medieval levels of technology.
We know from human history that it's possible for humans to climb out of those conditions and invent modern technology.
And there's another dark side to this.
You can't reach this world voluntarily.
Game theory makes unilateral disarmament impossible.
If one country gives up technology, while others keep developing it, the country that keeps developing wins.
They have the weapons, they have the surveillance, they have the AI.
You can't opt out unless everyone opts out.
If this world arrives, Tegmark thinks it's more likely to happen in a different way.
For example, a human created pandemic kills everyone who knows how to build science and technology.
And there's a violent teardown of factories, cities, and all infrastructure.
Because in a world with 8 billion humans, there will always be holdouts.
Someone has to force the transition.
Someone has to kill the scientists.
Someone has to destroy the infrastructure.
There's no peaceful path to an Amish world.
Which brings us to the final future.
Orwellian Surveillance Regime 00:05:59
drew spartz
What if we used technology to prevent more technology?
Tegmark compares this future to 1984.
Superintelligence is prevented not by an AI, but a human led Orwellian global surveillance state.
If you can't trust AI to save us from AI, maybe the only option is humans watching humans.
unidentified
Forever.
drew spartz
The technology for this sort of thing already exists.
Current tech can feasibly track.
Every phone call, email, search query, and every credit card transaction.
Smartphones are microphones and cameras in everyone's pocket.
Security cameras with facial recognition are everywhere.
And all of this works with current machine learning.
No futuristic super intelligent AI required.
Prisons are already using AI models to monitor phone calls in prison to predict when crimes are being contemplated, which is technology straight out of Minority Report.
Imagine this, but not just for prisoners.
Every conversation and every thought is monitored like this.
Now imagine this surveillance technology supercharged with AI.
Billionaire Larry Ellison talks excitedly about a vast AI fueled surveillance system to ensure citizens will be on their best behavior.
yuval noah harari
Or as Yuval Harari put it Now, for the first time in history, it is technically possible to annihilate privacy.
If you think about authoritarian regimes, throughout history they always wanted to monitor their citizens around the clock.
But this was technically impossible.
Even in the Soviet Union, you know, you have 200 million Soviet citizens.
You can't follow them all the time because the KGB didn't have 200 million agents.
And even if the KGB somehow got 200 million agents, that's not enough.
Because, you know, in the Soviet Union, it's still basically paper bureaucracy.
If a secret agent followed you around 24 hours a day, At the end of the day, they write a paper report about you and send it to KGB headquarters in Moscow.
So imagine every day, KGB headquarters is flooded with 200 million paper reports.
Now, to be useful for anything, somebody needs to read and analyze them.
They can't do it, they don't have the analysts.
Therefore, even in the Soviet Union, some level of privacy was still the default.
drew spartz
And remember, you have two eyes and ears.
AIs will have billions of eyes and ears.
Every phone, microphone, and camera, every webcam, every surveillance camera, you will be watched.
Could a less Orwellian version of this work?
Maybe we don't monitor everything, but just monitor advanced AI?
Some people think so.
In their new book, If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies Why Superhuman AI Would Kill Us All, researchers at the Machine Intelligence Research Institute are proposing that we monitor advanced AI like we monitor nuclear weapons.
Reminder we can do international coordination, like keep an eye on $100 million and up compute clusters, without creating a dystopian Orwellian global surveillance totalitarian regime.
Actually, fun fact you're already living in a global surveillance regime for loads of things.
Like nukes and bioweapons.
But when people say global surveillance regime, they imply every aspect of life is surveilled.
Not keep an eye on enriched uranium, a thing most people agree is good.
We should worry about Orwellian dystopias, but countries coordinate all the time on all kinds of things.
And you're probably glad they monitor stuff lunatics need to create super Ebola.
Safety is an achievement.
Humanity didn't get here by driving a car without brakes.
We need gas and brakes.
We want to reach the stars too, but we'll never get there if we go too fast and crash on the way.
I don't want powerful AI to be forbidden, but it should be heavily regulated, not something you can build in your Midwestern garage or in North Korea.
International treaties with strict enforcement and inspections, as we do with nukes.
So if you build a rogue data center, people will know.
Consequences for violations.
We already did this with nuclear weapons.
We haven't eliminated nukes, but We have prevented their proliferation to just nine countries.
Back then, people thought this would be impossible.
Surely every country would have nukes.
Perhaps even thousands of corporations.
Maybe even millions of people.
But no, just nine countries.
And nobody has died from a nuke in 80 years.
Could we do the same with AI?
Maybe, maybe not.
Over time, AI will get cheaper and cheaper to build.
GPUs are harder to control than enriched uranium, but it would slow down AI.
It would buy us time to figure out what to do.
Okay, that's all 12.
Let me know in the comments which of these you think is most likely, which one we should steer toward.
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Alarm bells over the artificial intelligence are deafening, and they are loudest from the developers who designed it.
The scientists and experts have called on the world to act, declaring AI an existential threat to humanity on a par with the risk of nuclear war.
drew spartz
By the way, we don't get to not choose.
If we don't want that future, we have to pick a better one.
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Otherwise, we could wake up one day in a world where super intelligent AI has taken over.
drew spartz
Step by step in this video, the How AI.
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