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The video discusses Susan Rice's handling of surveillance during Obama administration, potential involvement in unmasking Michael Flynn’s conversations with Russian officials, false claims about Russian hacking to discredit Trump, institutional corruption within government agencies and privacy issues. It also covers concerns over wind turbines emitting infrasound affecting human health and their efficiency as a source of energy compared to coal-fired power plants.

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owen shroyer
Fried rice, steamed rice, cooked rice, whatever you want to call it, boiled rice, it's Susan Rice.
And she's all over the media today.
She had an interview a few weeks ago, then she had an interview yesterday.
Now she does another interview today with Andrea Mitchell that blows up, folks.
And she truly embarrassed herself.
David, I know that you were breaking some of this down in the Alex Jones Show 4th Hour.
I'm Owen Schroer.
To my right is David Knight.
I don't know if it gets more ridiculous than this.
I mean, it seem like we're asking ourselves this question every day.
Can it get more ridiculous than what's going on right now in these politics?
But Susan Rice has taken it to another level, I think.
david knight
Well, you know, you're talking about all the different ways that Rice can be prepared.
We're seeing her milled right now, and the husk is being removed, and we're seeing the nasty underbelly of the national security state.
And I think people, regardless of where they are on the political spectrum, Ought to be looking at this and saying, is this the way we want our government to operate?
I don't.
I want to have transparency.
I want to have privacy.
I don't want to see this being used as a massive political dirty tricks surveillance operation.
That's what we're seeing here.
This is something that we saw with J. Edgar Hoover.
J. Edgar Hoover would have loved to have the types of tools that these people have.
They have so much power In these surveillance tools that have been created, and we are seeing it being abused.
And to me, that is the important takeaway, regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.
I am so disappointed, but I guess not surprised, to see people like Slate say, yeah, I want them spying on people.
Okay, let's do that.
Let's undercover this.
I don't want to see this kind of raw abuse of power, which is what we're seeing here.
And of course, we're seeing, as I mentioned before, Lemon, Don Lemon, saying, we're not going to cover this at all, but there are other people at CNN, and I didn't have time to fully break this down, Owen, when I was over there running out of time, but there was a very good article on The Hill by a couple of people who were at CNN who really do want to look at this information.
And so I want to break this down a little bit because they asked some very interesting questions.
They said, this is a smoking gun, and this is why it matters.
And when they're talking about this, they said, we have to understand We've put these protections on here for a very important reason.
We did not want our government to spy on Americans.
They were doing this 40 years ago in the 1970s.
That's why we had the Church and Pike Committee hearings.
That's why we had the FISA Act.
Then they turn around, they use the FISA Act to do dragnet surveillance on the American public.
That's what we learned from Snowden.
And that's as Rand Paul pointed out.
They go before a single judge and it's one individual from the U.S. government.
And there's nobody arguing the other side.
There's nobody there arguing for the Constitution or for the Bill of Rights.
And they say, we would like to get a search warrant for everybody on Verizon.
And they say, okay, that's fine.
And they call that a legal proceeding.
And so what they have done is they've taken The instrument that was designed 40 years ago to put a check on surveillance of the American public, and they have now turned that into a legal tool to go with their new technological tools.
That's what we should be concerned about.
And here's how some of this stuff looks when we look at it.
She says, we know for certain the case of former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn.
His name was acquired, retained, disseminated, not only around the government, but also to the Washington Post.
No fewer than nine former or current intelligence officials discussed the matter with the paper.
The leaking of this information is a different matter altogether.
It carries a possible 10-year prison sentence for a felony conviction.
And so she said, apart from the fact that this was a leak, that this was a criminal felony with a 10-year sentence, What crime did Flynn commit to merit uncovering his name?
Because by law, it is supposed to be sealed.
The American public deserves an answer, she said.
And that's very important.
Then they go on.
Why were other Trump team members' names unmasked?
Why did they do this going back to when he was a candidate, even before he had secured the nomination?
I think if we go back and we look at this, We're going to find these corrupt politicians were probably not just looking at Trump.
They were probably looking at all the other Republican candidates.
They were probably using this to get information on Bernie Sanders, for example.
Okay, we know they were doing dirty tricks in the DNC. Then she asked another interesting question.
And this is, she has a tweet from another colleague of hers at CNN, Manu Raju.
And he said this, some of the communications picked up were Trump's transition officials talking about Trump's family.
So why in the world were conversations about Trump's family picked up, she says.
Finally, the suggestion of wrongful surveillance is compounded when you consider the Democrat ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, Adam Schiff, taking a trip to the White House on Friday afternoon to view the alleged unmasking documents.
And we talked about the The fact that they use these terms to spin what's really going on here, making it look like, oh, you unmasked Trump.
Like he's the one who's doing something wrong.
No, what we're doing right now is we're unmasking Donna Rice.
We're unmasking her crimes.
But after he saw the evidence, what did Schiff do?
Did he go to everybody and say, see, see, we were right all along?
No, he didn't.
He issued a statement.
That merely complained about how long it took for him to get the information.
But notably, he did not dismiss the allegations of unmasking.
So in other words, he was saying, hey, there's nothing here.
Just like Don Lemon, he said there's nothing here.
But he goes to take a look at the documents and then he goes, see, I saw the documents and nothing was unmasked.
No, he was absolutely silent about that.
The only thing he could say was, well, it took him a long time to show me that stuff.
Well, what did they show you, Adam?
He was asked about it on CNN on Sunday.
So Friday he goes, Sunday he goes, he looks at the documents on Friday, he goes on television on Sunday.
And he says, well, I can't talk about that.
I'd have to kill you if I told you.
This is what we're seeing from these people.
And this is what she points out.
This is somebody who's honest at CNN, who, quite frankly, has probably just ended her career at CNN. She says, really?
After endlessly clamoring for evidence of unmasking, the Democrats look at the documents and then they refuse to comment further?
What does that tell us?
I think it's pretty clear.
owen shroyer
The whole house is burned down on this point from so many different angles because they always have to fall back on either, well, we're investigating Russian ties, but they have no evidence.
So then they have to fall back on, well, it was just intermittent that we just happened to pick up the surveillance that just happened to have these names that we had to unmask.
And I think another story here is before we go to the tape of Susan Rice on MSNBC today with Andrea Mitchell, we're going to expose her and her double-think and her contradicting herself on air three different times in the short 15-minute segment.
But another story here, David, I think is the complete...
I don't know how to...
It's just one side of the media covering this one way, and then the other side of it covering the complete opposite way, where Fox News is calling this out.
Fox News is all over this.
They're saying Susan Rice is lying.
She's breaking the law.
We've got her unmasking.
We've got her here.
Meanwhile, like you said, CNN is trying to bury this slate.
And by the way, could you guys pull up that slate picture again?
I wanted to point this out.
That picture of Michael Flynn shaking Susan Rice's hand...
For some reason, I look at Michael Flynn and I think he had an idea what was about to happen.
He looked like he was the cat that just ate the canary in this picture.
Look at that!
Tell me Michael Flynn doesn't know exactly that that's fried rice sitting to his left.
david knight
Well, it's one of the reasons, Owen, that I talked about This article that was on the hill from a couple of CNN contributors because that's the hope that we have.
Right now, we're seeing that pretty much this is breaking along partisan lines.
We have to understand that civil liberties, that privacy, that the Bill of Rights, that the Constitution, that we don't want to live in a Stasi state, this should be a bipartisan issue.
And there are a few people, and as I said, they may be kicked out of CNN because that certainly is not the CNN position.
The official position is We're not talking about it.
I didn't see anything.
We see no evil.
We hear no evil.
We speak no evil of the Democrats.
And so we're seeing that kind of partisanship that's going on there.
But my hope is that right now the Republicans are in power and the Republicans have cheerleaded this kind of surveillance state, saying that it's going to give us security.
Look, it does not give us security.
What did we see with these releases, Owen, of Vault 7?
We saw that they are Creating these exploits, breaking into our computers everywhere, and then not able or willing to keep control.
This is exactly like John McAfee said.
He said when he was talking to people, he said, we need to get into these Apple iPhones.
He said, if you get the key from Apple, you'll let it go.
You'll lose it.
It'll get into the wild and it'll compromise everybody's security.
Which is exactly what we saw in Vault 7. Not only did they curate all this stuff, and as we've been told in the past, they were the ones who were funding it, who were creating these exploits for the most part, but they put all this stuff together.
They lose all of this stuff It goes into the wild.
And even after it's in the wild, they don't tell anybody about it.
We have to have WikiLeaks tell people about it.
And then we have some companies like Cisco who work to try to plug these leaks, work with WikiLeaks.
Tell us what you've got.
WikiLeaks will fix it.
But then you've got others like Microsoft and Google who couldn't care less.
They don't want to hear anything.
They'll acknowledge the receipt of it to the extent that Julian Assange says, we're going to publish a list Of the companies that we've informed about how their software has been compromised to compromise your security.
And we're going to tell you those who will not fix it because here's the issue.
They kicked the door in at your home.
They kicked in the lock.
And then they're going to leave it exposed for criminals.
Criminals can get in and they can take your bank account.
They can steal your identity because the CIA has created these hacks and has left it out there.
Does that make you more safe and more secure?
No, it doesn't.
So whenever you give up your liberty for the promise of safety and security, you lose both your liberty and your safety and your security.
And I'm hoping that the Republican politicians, Donald Trump and all these people on the right who have pushed for the surveillance state, I'm hoping they look at this and understand, as we've been saying here, Alex Jones has said it for years, I've said it for years, the first people who are going to be in danger Of this surveillance state are the politicians because they have power that other people want.
They will use these tools to not only expose wrongdoing of people, but to frame people.
And that's what we see happening now with Donald Trump.
They can frame people.
And they can put stuff on your computer even if you weren't doing anything.
So that is the concern that we see, that this is going to be used for political purposes, and that is precisely what we're now seeing.
So the people who are the most vulnerable to all of this are the people who have the power to change it if they only have the will to change it.
owen shroyer
I still think that the Donald Trump wiretap tweet is the greatest troll tweet in the history of the world.
Because think about this, David.
After that tweet, look at the series of events that followed.
First, the Democrats freaked out and they said Trump was lying.
He was making it up.
Okay.
Then they had to admit that, okay, wait a second.
Yes, we did intermittently have this communications.
We did intermittently intercept this intelligence, but that's just intermittently.
That's not winningly.
So now they had to admit that they were spying.
Then they had to admit that they did indeed get the intelligence on Trump and his associates.
And then they also had to admit they found nothing burying the Russia narrative that they've been pushing for the last three months.
So it's the most beautiful tweet in the history of mankind by my measurement.
He beat the Democrats on three different angles with one tweet.
Who knows if he didn't intentionally or not.
But Susan Rice continues to embarrass herself, David.
Let's go to these clips from Susan Rice on MSNBC today with Andrea Mitchell.
We've got four clips.
Let's roll the first one right now.
unidentified
Absolutely not for any political purposes to spy, expose anything.
Did you leak the name of Mike Flynn?
I leaked nothing to nobody.
I did nothing.
Let me explain this.
First of all, Andrea, to talk about the contents of a classified report, to talk about the individuals on the foreign side who were the targets of the The report itself or any Americans who may have been collected upon incidentally is to disclose classified information.
I'm not going to do that.
And those people who are putting these stories out are doing just that.
I can't describe any particular report I saw.
And by the way, I have no idea what reports are allegedly are being described by those who are putting out this story.
I don't know what time frame they were from.
I don't know the subject matter.
And I don't know who they think was collected upon.
owen shroyer
So she knows nothing.
She has no idea.
She can't recall.
But somehow there's a source for this.
Somebody had to source this.
She was in the position to do it.
She's the one all the fingers are being pointed at.
And then she may have actually incriminated herself by saying if anybody or whoever leaked this actually broke the law.
david knight
Yeah, well, maybe she needs to go in and just read the articles that are on the top of the Drudge Report from the Daily Caller and others.
owen shroyer
She even said she has no idea.
She hasn't seen the reports, David.
david knight
Yeah, well, that's a nice line to take.
And, you know, again, we've heard this all before as Watergate slowly unfolded over a period of years.
This is what...
Watergate looked like.
Except these people have far more capability than Richard Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover, any of these people who would use their political power and their tools of office to spy on people.
They now have a massive surveillance state that is there.
And clearly, we have multiple officials who've gone on the record with Daily Caller saying that she knew about this.
She was the one who, you know, the buck stops here.
That's what Truman said.
The person at the top is responsible for this.
That she was involved directly in this.
We have individuals who have gone on the record to say that she exposed this.
That is a violation of the law because if you have Americans that are picked up under FISA, you are not allowed to release their names.
That's what we're talking about.
We're talking about unmasking.
We're talking about the fact that the law requires you to make them anonymous.
And she wanted to make them political targets because she wanted to use guilt by alleged association.
And again, when we look at what Michael Hayden is saying, he says it doesn't even have to be that individual talking to somebody.
It could be other individuals talking about Trump and that could flag this as part of their intercepts.
So that's where this is headed.
owen shroyer
Take a look at this though.
This might be the most regrettable interview of Susan Rice's career.
A known liar Somebody that lied about people dying in Benghazi.
Now she's lying about the government spying.
But I promise you, this next clip, I promise you folks.
Yes, I did edit it together.
But this is from the same interview.
All of these clips, back to back, I swear, are from the same interview with Andrea Mitchell.
Listen to Susan Rice fumble all over herself in contradictions.
unidentified
Absolutely false.
And circulated.
No spreadsheet.
Nothing of the sort.
And let me also elaborate and say that when the intelligence community would respond to a request from a senior national security official for the identity of an American, that would come back only to the person who requested it.
So they requested it.
If I saw an intelligence report that looked potentially significant, and understand by definition, if it's being provided to me, it is significant.
I don't solicit reports.
I only receive what the intelligence community thinks.
owen shroyer
Oh, now she doesn't request the report.
So she just said she requested it, now she doesn't request it.
unidentified
For me and others who served, it was not uncommon.
In fact, it was necessary at times to make those requests.
owen shroyer
Now she's back to requesting.
Okay, now she's requested it again.
Now she's going to request it.
unidentified
Okay.
And it's important for everybody to understand, the President of the United States and people in the White House do not have the ability to order such collection.
owen shroyer
Oh, now they can't request it.
Now they don't even have the ability to request it.
unidentified
It never originates in the White House.
So, not only did it not occur, it didn't occur and it couldn't have occurred.
owen shroyer
Oh, now it didn't even occur and it was never requested.
unidentified
After the President requested the compilation...
owen shroyer
Oh, now the President did request it!
What is going on here, Susan Rice?
unidentified
Provided in January, yes.
What happened was, as the IC went about the business...
The intelligence community went about the business of following up on the president's order.
owen shroyer
Now she tries to scapegoat the intelligence community.
unidentified
For such a report.
And now again there's a request.
owen shroyer
And then what did she just say?
Scrubbed reports?
I'm sorry, did she just have a Freudian slip?
unidentified
President Obama was eavesdropping on him at Trump Tower.
Absolutely false.
owen shroyer
Even though her entire conversation is admittance of it.
unidentified
It has made that very clear.
There was no such collection surveillance on Trump Tower.
owen shroyer
Even though the entire reason they're having this conversation is because of the intelligence that was collected.
unidentified
We thought it was crucial to defend the integrity of our election process and to be able to respond appropriately to what the Russians did to understand the full extent of their involvement.
owen shroyer
And now she's saying, well, yes, we were doing it to figure out what was going on with Russia.
unidentified
As the intelligence community got more and more information on that and shared it with U.S. officials.
owen shroyer
You've never seen anything like this in your life.
unidentified
It was not typically broadly disseminated throughout the national security community.
owen shroyer
Oh, but nobody knows about it, so I don't know why we're even talking about it.
It was never broadly disseminated.
unidentified
Some people are trying to suggest that by asking for the identity of an American person, that is the same as leaking it, is completely false.
owen shroyer
Now she thinks we're getting the terms convoluted.
She thinks we're dumb.
Now, we know the difference.
So here you go, David.
First, she contradicts herself three different times on whether she can or cannot make such a request.
Then she contradicts herself whether such a request was ever made to begin with in the first place or that she knew.
Then she affirms the previous conversations by saying, yes, we were looking into this to find out Trump's Russian ties.
Have you ever seen a more...
I don't even know what you would call that.
Just blatant, bold-faced, lying, propaganda, making things up as you go?
david knight
What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.
We have a weaving spider there, as they would say.
owen shroyer
Wow.
david knight
At the Bohemian Grove.
don lemon
Susan's web.
david knight
Let's go to the article that was at the top of Drudge today.
This is the one from the Daily Caller Foundation.
Susan Rice ordered spy agencies to produce detailed spreadsheets involving Trump.
And this is what they say.
This is according to, now we got three people who went on the record to make these accusations.
These are not anonymous sources anymore.
Yesterday we were seeing these reports from Bloomberg, reported this, and so we've had multiple people contact us and say they have never seen the intelligence community politicized the way that it is.
She's fed up with this.
They're blowing the whistle on this.
Now we've got names associated with this accusing her of creating detailed spreadsheets.
She ordered US spy agencies to produce detailed spreadsheets of legal phone calls involving Donald Trump and his aides when he was running for president.
In other words, phishing for something.
And also trying to make him guilty by association, by allegations.
Now this is coming from former U.S. Attorney Joseph DeGenova.
He said, I hate to use that word unmasked.
Let's not use that word.
They fingered them illegally, okay?
Trump associates in perfectly legal conversations with individuals.
He didn't do anything wrong.
He didn't need a mask.
She's the one with the mask.
She's the one with the lies here.
And they point out There are multiple sources that have reported to both Fox News, to Bloomberg News, now to The Daily Caller.
People are coming out and talking about this.
It's starting to open up because the ship is sinking and nobody wants to be the last person.
So all the rats, and I'm not calling the people who are whistleblowers rats, these are the good people who are talking about this, but we're going to get to the position once these good whistleblowers start pointing out what's going on, then we're going to see even the rats Jumping off of the ship and giving it up.
They say they reported that Rice had requested the intelligence information produced in a highly organized operation.
That's very key.
And remember, they go back and talk about Evelyn Farkas at the beginning of March.
She was on television with MSNBC. Said she was urging her former colleagues at the time to get as much information as they could, as much intelligence as they could, before Obama leaves the administration.
But of course, this is going back to last summer.
Now, here's another individual.
Retired Colonel James Warishuk, a NSC veteran, former Deputy Director for Intelligence at U.S. CENTCOM. Okay?
So we've got a guy who's a former U.S. Attorney, Joseph DeGeneva.
We have a retired Colonel who was a National Security Council veteran.
Deputy Director for Intelligence at CENTCOM, U.S. Central Command, told The Daily Caller that many hands had to be involved throughout the Obama administration order to launch a political spying program like this.
He said surveillance initially is a responsibility of the National Security Agency.
They have to abide by this guidance.
When one of the other agencies says we're looking at this particular person we'd like to unmask.
So he says if you're going to reveal somebody's name that is an American citizen that has not committed a crime, you're going to have to make the case that they have committed a crime or that their name has to be released for some reason.
He said the lawyers and the counsels at the NSA would be talking to the lawyers and the counsels at the CIA or at the National Security Council Or the Director of National Intelligence, or the FBI. Now, I see a problem here.
There's too many people who have this information.
We have too many intelligence agencies.
When I talk about 17 agencies that are looking at all this information, that's how things can go south.
But, his point is, is that if you've got somebody who wants to reveal these names, to make names of Americans public, then that agency that has that information And again, it's not a wiretap because they're collecting this information on everybody.
It's just that now that they've curated this, they've stored this information, they can now release it and use it in a political way.
That's what you need to understand.
That's the danger of the surveillance state.
That's why we complain about what's going on in Utah.
The curating facility there as well.
They keep all this stuff, they curate all this stuff until the time is appropriate that they can use it against their political enemies.
Maybe that's you.
Maybe that's your elected official who really wants to change the government and they want to take him down.
Okay, so he says they would have to talk at the lawyers at the other places.
So that, he says, shows an unbelievable level and the degree of this administration to look for information on Donald Trump and his associates, his campaign team, his transition team.
He said this is really, really serious stuff.
This is a guy who was former deputy director for intelligence at U.S. Central Command and a National Security Council veteran.
Another person, a former National Security Council senior director.
Michael Doran told The Daily Caller, somebody blew a hole in the wall between national security secrets and partisan politics.
This is partisan politics.
We've got multiple people speaking out about how the infrastructure would require that somebody at the level of Susan Rice, it would require that they would have to be the go-between to get past these legal hurdles that are there for all these different intelligence agencies.
And then you've got a former U.S. attorney Joseph DeGenova, who fingers her directly, saying she's creating a spreadsheet.
So she's got something to...
She's got some explaining to do here, as Ricky Ricardo would say.
owen shroyer
Well, and despite the reports that you just alluded to, despite all the reports coming out, despite the 16-minute segment that she shot with Andrea Mitchell, we'll have a few more clips from that in the next segment, but despite all of that, she still went on air yesterday...
And pretended like she had no idea that any of this was going on.
Let's roll to that clip.
unidentified
Let's come back to that in a moment.
Here it is.
to testify.
owen shroyer
Well, this is actually a different clip.
unidentified
Would you be willing to go to Capitol Hill?
owen shroyer
So this is actually Susan Rice being asked if she would testify.
unidentified
Listen to what she says.
But what I will say is that the investigations that are underway as to the Russian involvement in our electoral process are very important.
They're very serious.
And every American ought to have an interest in those investigations.
owen shroyer
So she doesn't answer the question, would she testify?
Of course she doesn't want to testify because she'd end up being guilty and be going to jail.
And then she diverts and has to bring up Russia again.
david knight
Because it wasn't the Russians who hacked the election.
It was Susan Rice and it was the DNC who hacked the primary against Bernie Sanders.
And it was Susan Rice who was doing the hacking here.
And that's the thing that people need to understand.
That's the silence of Adam Schiff When he was shown the documents, I think that's very telling.
It's also telling, Owen, that they would pull out Andrea Mitchell.
A reliable shill for the state.
Somebody who is married to Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve Chief.
They can always count on Andrea Mitchell to help out in a situation like this.
And she did everything she could to help Susan Rice come up with a denial for this.
Giving her leading questions, helping her at every opportunity.
This shows the bias of MSNBC, if you ever saw it, this interview, the way she led these questions for Susan Rice.
owen shroyer
She kind of put off a Maxine Waters vibe, actually, Andrea Mitchell, during this interview.
This is the final clip.
This is Susan Rice.
I mean, Russia, they're just taking over everything.
unidentified
Finally, do you think we'll ever get to the bottom of the Russian hacking?
I think we have to, Andrea.
This is something very, very serious.
A hostile government.
Inserted itself into our electoral process in a significant way.
Doing so with biased intent.
And that's the conclusion of our intelligence agencies.
We also know they're meddling in elections in Europe among our close allies.
There it is.
owen shroyer
So nationalism is taking over around the globe, and they're going to blame Russia for it, folks.
Absolutely ridiculous.
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Welcome back to this InfoWars Live 3 to 5. Owen Troyer, David Knight exposing Susan Rice, who turns out to be one of the biggest liars to come out of the Obama administration.
And that is saying a lot, folks.
This is a woman that could have disappeared off the face of the earth Instead, she had to be part of a political witch hunt, and now she'll be forever remembered as fried rice, steamed rice, boiled rice, cooked rice, and that's who she is.
But, of course, it was CNN and Don Lemon attempting to stick up for her last night.
If you've got Don Lemon in your corner to back you up, I'd probably just get out of the ring.
Here's Don Lemon from last night sticking up for Susan Rice.
don lemon
It has been one month since the President of the United States falsely tweeted that former President Barack Obama wiretapped him.
One month later, the White House and the President are still trying to make a lie true.
And they're using the President's Twitter account, the White House press briefing podium, and right-wing media to do it.
Today it's a claim that President Obama's former national security adviser Susan Rice unmasked the names of Trump associates.
We will talk about that in detail in just a moment on this very program.
And last week, It was a debunked talking point that former Obama administration official Evelyn Marcus admitted spying on the Trump team.
She did no such thing.
The week before that, it was Representative Devin Nunes' clumsy effort to give the president cover for wiretapping claims.
The president said he was vindicated by Nunes.
He was not.
The Washington Post today calls the latest claims about Susan Rice, anatomy of a fake scandal ginned up by right-wing media and Trump.
So let us be very clear about this.
There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trump team surveilled or was spied on illegally.
There is no evidence that backs up the president's original claim.
And on this program tonight, we will not insult your intelligence by pretending otherwise, nor will we aid and abet the people who are trying to misinform you, the American people, by creating a diversion.
owen shroyer
So he's just going to insult our intelligence by pretending that the elephant in the room isn't there.
david knight
He will aid and abet the politicized intelligence community.
Look, we have former U.S. Attorney General Joseph DeGeneva, who went on the record saying that Susan Rice had created detailed spreadsheets of legal phone calls of the Trump administration.
We also have a State Department official, Richard Grinnell, is expected to be nominated to serve as U.S. NATO ambassador.
He said it was common knowledge For weeks within the State Department, people were talking about it, insiders were talking about Susan Rice's role in this affair here, in terms of unmasking and creating this guilt by alleged association of Donald Trump.
This was a political dirty trick, folks.
And when they talk about having our election hacked, you have to understand that they have never, even though they use the term hacked, They have never said that Russians got in and flipped, electronically flipped voting machines.
And, of course, that was put on the record when they had Director Comey testify before Congress.
He was asked on a state-by-state basis, did the Russians change any votes here in this state and that state and that state?
And he said, no, no, no.
So they established that.
What they're saying is that they hacked the election because they created a false narrative.
These are the people who not only created a false narrative, but they used the electronic capability of the surveillance state to literally hack the election.
We've had WikiLeaks come out and tell us with Vault 7, look, they have these programs, Umbridge, where they curate the techniques for breaking into these different systems and they can make it look as though it's coming from another place.
They can create these tactics and techniques.
But then they went further and they showed us the Marble program where they would mimic The keyboard strokes and make it look like it was done in a foreign language on a foreign keyboard so that they could finger China or Russia or North Korea or somebody else.
And as we talked to John McAfee on multiple occasions, he says nobody that is even mildly competent would ever leave their fingerprints.
They would always put somebody else's fingerprints if they're going to hack into something as a state-ordered espionage.
And so we knew that they were doing that, but now we've actually seen the documents thanks to WikiLeaks.
And of course, Owen, we've also had the fact that...
What is the basis for the Russian hacking?
Well, we've had to take the word of the CrowdStrike CEO who was running the data services for the DNC. And the FBI director, Director Comey, has not seen that data.
So he is going simply on the word of the person who was hired by the Democrats that the Russians hacked this.
And it gets even worse.
We had an individual who was shopping around the Trump dossier.
Remember that?
The Dirty Dossier?
No, the Dirty Dossier was not a dossier at all.
It was a fake document.
What they should have called it is fake files, but it sounds so much better when they call it a dossier.
We're saying, you know what, I've got a dossier here that I had in my attaché.
But they give it this term to make it sound like it's spy versus spy.
It was simply faked files.
Who faked them?
A guy named Glenn Simpson, who used to work for the Wall Street Journal.
He was hired by a former Clinton supporter to get dirt on Donald Trump.
He was also connected to, he was one of the founders of Fusion GPS. These are the people who worked with Chris Steele, Who is the former MI5 agent who said he had produced this dirty dossier.
So here's a guy who was hired to get dirt on Trump by Clinton supporter.
Then his foundation works with Chris Steele to produce these fake files that they called a dossier.
And now we learn, thanks to The Daily Caller, that he was also involved in trying to roll back as a lobbyist for a Russian co-intel individual.
That he was going to roll back a 2012 law called the Magnitsky Act, which is going to roll back sanctions against Russian criminals.
So there's your Russian connection.
There's your Hillary Clinton connection.
And we simply have to take the word of people like Glenn Simpson, people like the CrowdStrike CEO, that this is really something there.
Even though we've seen absolutely nothing turned up by FBI Director Comey, Even though they're not investigating Susan Rice, as far as we can tell at this point, and even though Adam Schiff goes and looks at the documents and then is completely silent about what he saw.
Donald Trump said, here's the documents where we had this stuff unmasked.
He goes there and he says, well, it took him a long time to show me those documents, but I can't say anything about it.
owen shroyer
I think Don Lemon is actually upset he didn't get invited to Barack Obama's hot dog memoir party on the abandoned island.
But it's funny that we're even having this debate here because, so they've been investigating this, they'll admit it, since October.
They always say October 7th is the day that they say they started this investigation.
I guess that's the day they realized Hillary Clinton was going to lose, so they had to begin this political witch hunt.
david knight
No, it goes back to July, actually.
I mean, all this stuff is a lie.
owen shroyer
Well, of course, because we have the documents that show that they were monitoring Trump even during the Bush administration.
But the weirdest, obviously, we understand why, but it's just, again, we have it established.
Hillary Clinton made deals with Russia for uranium...
Directly for cash that got funneled back into her and Bill Clinton's charity, the Clinton Foundation.
So you got that.
Then you got John Podesta with his stocks, making stock deals with Russian.
That's in the news.
Podesta comes out and says, I didn't do anything illegal with my stock deals with Russia, but you did do stock deals with Russia.
Yes.
You think Trump's a Russian agent?
Well, yes.
He's obviously a Russian agent.
So it's just ridiculous.
And this whole thing is a political witch hunt.
And I don't, I mean, David, I was saying this yesterday to Rob Dew.
I feel like right now, if the Democrats are Let's say the Democrats are a lumberjack in the woods and they've just got one hatchet to try to chop down all of these Trump trees.
They're burning their hatchet.
They're burning their hatchet with this Russia thing.
They're burning the hatchet with the Neil Gorsuch holding up that confirmation.
They're going to screw themselves in 2020 when they try to force another candidate down our throat who spouts out the same nonsense that they've been doing for four years.
And they're going to screw themselves again when the next Supreme Court justice comes up.
And it's a liberal that they're trying to replace.
I mean, they're gonna have nothing.
They're gonna already have burned their hatchet.
david knight
They're being hoisted by their own batard.
They're being blown up by their own bomb because they wanted to continue this false narrative about a Russian hack.
And so people are exposing now and the intelligence community saying we're tired of seeing this information used illegally.
We're tired of seeing it used politically against political figures.
We do not want to live in a Stasi surveillance state.
We've had NSA whistleblowers who've warned us about this.
William Benny's warned us about this for a long time.
We are seeing how this looks.
And so now we've got people going on the record, making these accusations.
All we're getting are vague, contradicting denials from Susan Rice as she goes on with Andrea Mitchell, who is leading her by the hand, trying to help her walk down these, leaving breadcrumbs for her like Hansel and Gretel.
owen shroyer
Okay, trying to get her out of the woods.
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Andrea and Susan.
david knight
Okay, yeah.
So, yeah, that's it.
Andrea and Susan.
owen shroyer
Susan, in the woods.
david knight
They are in the deep woods, folks.
And there is no turning this back.
And what we need to do is we need to not only expose these criminals in the Democrat Party who decided that they are not going to accept the election, but they are going to try to hack this election.
They worked from the primary, from the Democrat primary, to hack it against Bernie Sanders.
They were exposed.
What did they do?
They simply complained about, oh, I think we were hacked by the Russians.
Again, shoving it off to the Russians so nobody paid attention to what Hillary Clinton did to Bernie Sanders.
Then they start hacking the election themselves, literally hacking it, literally using electronic surveillance, breaking into things, curating this information, and then revealing it in an illegal way, committing multiple felonies, creating a spreadsheet committing multiple felonies, creating a spreadsheet of individuals so they can smear them by allegation, But now it is blowing up in their face, and we've got people going on record.
Again, the person who has been chosen, Trump's pick for NATO ambassador, Richard Grinnell, is talking about how this is common knowledge within the State Department.
We've got people who say this is common knowledge in the intelligence agencies.
We have a former U.S. attorney who has gone on record.
We have Other individuals who are high ranking on the National Security Council saying, this is the way that it works.
You have to understand the extent of institutional corruption that would be required to do this illegal unmasking, not even the illegal leaking through the Washington Post, but just to get this unmasked, to take away the anonymizing that has to happen according to the law.
You have to understand the institutional corruption that is there.
This is an opportunity.
This is a crisis, danger, and opportunity.
This is an opportunity for us to try to push back against this unaccountable, dark, deep surveillance state.
If we do not seize this moment in a bipartisan way, if we don't have good people at CNN who push back against this mindless partisan nonsense that we just heard from Don Lemming, Okay.
Lemon.
I always call him lemming because he is like a lemming running over the cliff, okay?
But we have the partisan media, but there are some people who understand what is truly at stake here.
If we lose this fight, we will go deeper into the totalitarian surveillance state.
We don't want to see this happen.
We don't want to see...
Our elections run by a dark surveillance society that has these kind of tools.
It was bad enough when we had J. Edgar Hoover blackmailing people all throughout Washington for his own personal benefit.
But this goes much broader.
And this is, they have far more powerful tools than anybody could ever imagine at that point in time.
We cannot allow this to continue without being answered, without being reformed and hopefully The people who are looking at this will go beyond just using this as a means to shut down these crooks in the Democrat Party who's remained in Washington.
We've never seen a former president stay this politically active to create a shadow government that's going to operate within Washington to continue to push this false narrative out there.
We've got to use that against them, not only destroy them, but also destroy the mechanism.
That's why when we talk about Obamacare, Owen, we need to understand that repeal of Obamacare It has to include not just getting rid of some of the bad aspects of it, but it's got to get to the fundamental roots of it.
Because if we don't rip out the roots, if we use in phase two, if we use the powers that the Health and Human Services Secretary has, If we use that to try to make this better, then what we're going to do is we're going to make this thing become fixed in place.
It will take root and we'll never get it out of our society.
And so we have to get to the structures that allow this kind of corruption, the structures that allow them to dictate our health care, to take away our life, our liberty, our money, and run our lives from Washington.
So we have to rip that out, not use it in phase two.
That's why I said this whole plan that came from Paul Ryan was absolute garbage.
And we heard Roger Stone talking to Alex Jones earlier today saying that what he's heard was this is a plan that was written by Boehner, passed to Paul Ryan, who then passed it to his friend from Wisconsin, Reince Priebus, who then gave it to Donald Trump, and Trump ran with his plan.
This plan was not repealed.
It left all of the power structure of Obamacare in place to be used by the next person.
And in the same way, we do not want to have this Stasi election, this hacking of the election that the Democrats did and continue to try to do.
We do not want to leave these levers of power there.
Even if we pull out these corrupt individuals, we don't want to leave those levers of power there to be used by the next person to come in, the next crooked group to come in.
owen shroyer
I'm about to put out the phone number, but I just want to, again, kind of recap the series of events here.
The Democrats want to hoist Trump up as a Russian agent.
So what do they do?
They start saying Russian hacking, Russian hacking, Russian hacking.
Well, there was no Russian hacking.
They can't prove Russian hacking.
So what do they try to do to continue this political narrative?
They leak intel of an illegally unmasked intelligence report by Susan Rice.
Okay, so now the question becomes, well, where are they getting this intelligence report?
Well, Donald Trump said that he was being wiretapped by the Obama administration, so they can't admit that they were surveilling Donald Trump.
They got trapped there, so they can't admit that they were actually surveilling Donald Trump.
So now what are they saying?
They're saying it was unwitting.
And what does that mean?
What David Knight just broke down, that they're spying on all of us all the time.
They can pull up any of our data, any of our conversations.
We could all be unmasked, and they could use that to...
Blackmail people, politically get things done that they want to do whatever their agenda with, spy on everybody.
So it's just a crazy circle and the Democrats have really weaved quite a web, as David said a minute ago.
david knight
And we have to push back against the use of this term unmask.
Everybody is saying this and I keep saying it myself.
We have to say what's really involved here is framing.
They didn't unmask Trump.
We're now unmasking what Donna Rice did.
And what Donna Rice did was not unmask Trump.
She framed Trump.
That was what she was doing.
And that was illegal, what she did.
And so when they say unmask, it sounds like somebody else is doing something sinister.
They anonymized this stuff according to the FISA Act, according to law.
They were supposed to keep Americans anonymous unless they had committed a crime.
There was no crime that was committed.
We haven't seen that anybody here that Michael Flynn had created.
Show us the crime.
owen shroyer
Show us the crime.
And she framed Flynn, too.
She framed Michael Flynn, too.
And, of course, she doesn't want to say that she would testify.
She did flame him.
And she flamed herself.
She's burnt rice now.
And, of course, she doesn't want to testify because she knows that she would get burned on that deal as well.
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The Democrats have to, they cannot win this battle.
david knight
I want to hear Andrew say, I did not have text with that organization.
Okay, that's what, just like we saw Bill Clinton lie about that, you know, we need to hear that admission from Susan Rice.
owen shroyer
So are we all being spied on?
Did you illegally spy on Donald Trump?
And you know what Donald Trump should do?
Considering that this is the biggest FBI investigation ever now, this Trump thing.
Did you know the FBI has actually created its own...
There's an entire new branch of the FBI dedicated just to this.
How about that?
A new branch of the FBI dedicated just to this political witch hunt.
So you know what Donald Trump should do?
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owen shroyer
Donald Trump should start to pull some of his own Intelligence reports, start to pull some of his own intelligence and start to unmask that and start to show how John Podesta is in touch with the Russians, how Clinton was in touch with the Russians, and just say, hey, look, we're doing a Russian investigation.
Let's find out all of it.
And now he can unmask Clinton.
He can unmask Podesta.
If they're allowed to do it and they're not going to have to go in front of a judge, then I think that Trump's team should do the same thing and put a mirror right up to these Democrats.
david knight
I think one of the reasons why they're dragging their feet so much on Trump appointments is they don't want to have a full Justice Department there that can open an investigation.
They're dragging their feet on getting his people in place so they could do something like this.
But you know, another issue you're talking about, are they looking at us, Owen?
One of the things that we saw today was the fact that, of course, your smartphone apps are colluding to spy on you in detail.
This is a report that came out of Virginia Tech University.
They analyzed 100,000 pieces of Android software.
They found thousands of pairs of apps that were colluding to spy on you, things that were fairly innocuous.
But understand that when it spies on you, they can get your private information, your banking information can be hacked.
They say that these apps, one example they gave was a flashlight app that worked in tandem with a receiver app to divulge the user's information such as contacts, geolocation, or provide access to the web.
Now, here's the deal.
This last week, we heard a lot of stuff about privacy and ISPs.
This was really a political fight, was part of what was going on here.
There was a political fight between a couple of bureaucracies, the FCC and the FTC, as to who was going to control the internet.
The Republicans are pushing back against the FCC controlling it because they have been pushed forward by Obama.
They want to really shut down the internet.
The FTC has had a very loose regulation of the internet, but now this other agency is trying to move in on that.
So that's one aspect of it.
But the other part of it is that you saw the Democrats come out and say, Donald Trump is stealing your privacy.
Well, if you think you got privacy, you haven't been paying attention.
But they're not talking about what the intelligence agencies are doing.
They're not talking about what your apps on your phone are doing.
They're not talking about what Google and Facebook and social media apps are doing to Get everything about you.
They have far more information.
Google and those social media apps have far more information about you than the ISPs.
And I'm not saying that the ISPs should be allowed to sell your information.
But this is a misdirection to try to have a more stringent control of what's going on with the internet, to really try to shut down your freedoms, and to try to misdirect you From the real assaults on your freedom that are coming from all these other directions.
So that's what we continually see is the misdirection coming from the Democrats using this for political purposes.
Nancy Pelosi said, well, the ISPs have more information on you than anybody.
No, they don't, quite frankly.
If you really think that, you really don't understand what's going on on the Internet and you really need to rethink this.
A video where we had James Wesley Rawls talk about tradecraft for privacy.
You really need to review that video that's on the Alex Jones channel.
He tells you how to make sure that you have privacy.
You have to really work at it today.
If you're very casual about what you do on the internet, you're not going to have any privacy.
Your life is going to be an open book to be used against you as you wish.
And the thing that's concerning, Owen, I'll say one last thing here, and that is The kind of minority report, activity-based intelligence, human domain analytics, which is all part of geospatial intelligence, the false positives, where they can look at your activity, they can identify you as being part of a political group, they might falsely identify you as being a threat, an enemy of the state.
That's what we had Lord Monckton talking about earlier today when he was on with Alex Jones, how the Obama administration started classifying people who stand up for property rights.
And for the Constitution as terrorists, justifying the assassination of Lavoie Finnegan along those lines.
So that is the concern, that you would be labeled as a terrorist, that you would be falsely identified as a dangerous person because you're a political enemy of these people.
And that's what is really at stake with them keeping this information on you.
owen shroyer
And now it looks like the Trump administration is going to expand the ability to sell our data to the likes of Verizon and all these phone companies.
So now Google and Facebook don't have a monopoly on selling your data.
Everybody can do that.
So in some instances, it's good.
He gets rid of the liberal monopoly on selling data.
But of course, that's our data.
And I don't remember anybody voting on whether they wanted that.
Most people probably don't even know that's the case.
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owen shroyer
Alright, I'm just retweeting it.
Welcome back to Infowars Live, 3 to 5. Owen Schroer, David Knight with you.
And we do a meme of the day here, 3 to 5. So, guys, I just retweeted this, actually, if you pull up my Twitter at All I Do Is Owen.
Today's meme of the day, fried rice!
A Trump specialty, fried rice.
We're gonna get that image up here just a moment before we take your calls.
There it is!
Fried rice.
There's our meme of the day, David.
There's a nice dish of fried rice prepared by Chef Trump right there, making fried rice great again.
How about that?
There's the meme of the day.
Alright, let's go out to your phone calls.
First up today is Alex in Kentucky.
Go ahead, Alex.
unidentified
Hey, how y'all doing?
I just want to talk about how these Democrats are every day creating distractions when they've got jobs to be doing.
owen shroyer
I think that that's a great point.
All of this money and time and energy spent on this Russian false narrative political witch hunt.
You know, the liberals are running around virtue signaling all day.
Why don't they do something valuable with their time besides a political witch hunt?
I think that this is a great point that is not talked about enough.
The FBI just created a new branch specifically for this Russia investigation.
And there's nothing there, David.
I mean, this is a great point the caller brings up.
Nobody talks about this.
All this time and energy and money spent in Russia when there are actual, real-world issues going on.
unidentified
That's exactly right.
And they're, like, killing us with our food, our water, the air that we breathe.
david knight
You have to understand that their real world issue is their political power.
This is all about their political power.
This is politicized surveillance state.
And it's exactly, you know, we look at this and from our perspective, we frequently say government is broken.
No, it's not.
It's doing exactly what the people in power want it to do.
They wanted a surveillance state that they could use for political purposes.
That's what they've got.
That's what they're using.
It's exactly what they want.
unidentified
I totally agree.
And I wish that Trump would make this more known to everybody so we could put an end to this NSA bull.
david knight
I agree.
I agree.
And as we can see now, he is...
He is feeling the brunt of this unconstitutional surveillance state, and hopefully that will spur him to do true reform after he exposes these criminals.
We have to get rid of the structure that's there, just like we've got to get rid of the structure of Obamacare and not use it for our purposes.
You know, the analogy that I made the other day on the radio.
Remember the Lord of the Rings?
We have Boromir and he says, hey, I've got this powerful ring.
I could use it for good.
And it's like no you can't.
It will turn you to evil.
It will corrupt the purpose.
And so you have to take this thing and you have to cast it into the fire.
That's why we have to have true repeal of Obamacare.
We have to have a dismantling of this Stasi surveillance state.
William Benny said that it was exactly what he'd been looking at his entire life in East Germany.
He said, we now have that here, and we have far more powerful tools than the Stasi ever did.
They were using manual techniques.
They were using human intelligence.
They were using 3x5 cards to spy on everybody.
This is far more dangerous, far more sophisticated, these tools that they have.
Far more dangerous.
We have to dismantle it.
unidentified
Exactly.
And I think that they've never been more exposed in the whole history of politics, the Democratic Party, The Communist has just took it over and just made it to what they want it to be.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and you know, one thing that I like to say when I try to have debates with liberals who are really just socialist communists, and they really don't want to admit it because they have actually studied the history of communism, not like the fake.
Right, the progressives, the intellectual progressives, not the fake protesters that come out and say they're socialists.
They have no clue.
They'll just chant Nazi scum when the Nazis was actually a party of socialists.
But there's a story on Reason.com today.
Venezuela reminds us that socialism frequently leads to dictatorship.
And, you know, actually, even though we live in the West, even though we live in America, Even though we still do the ceremonies of this great country and we still like to believe that the Constitution is a document we abide by.
You know, if you actually did a study, if you took somebody neutral and they just did a study of America right now, they would actually say that we live in a socialist state.
America is essentially a socialist state.
When you can move to this country and get free handouts, or you cannot work and get free handouts from the government, you live in a socialist state.
I'm curious, what do you think about that, David?
david knight
Well, I think we live in a mixture of socialism and fascism.
We have a fascist government.
Adolf Hitler called himself a socialist, but he disagreed with the approach that the Russians were taking.
They went to complete confiscation of Of private assets immediately.
And he said, no, that's a mistake.
That's the last stage of what you do.
He said, first you need to use private companies to control them.
That's what economic fascism is.
You control people, but you have a thin veneer of private ownership.
And you work, as we see, with crony capitalism, with a few individuals, a few multinational powerful corporations.
You allow them to do business, but you control them very tightly and you work with them.
And then the final stage is to just confiscate the stuff and that's outright communism.
But he disagreed with Stalin in the sense that he thought that Stalin had gone to the final step and he was doing that as an intermediate step.
So they were both on the same way.
They're both socialists and they're both authoritarian and that's what we need to understand.
The difference between what America was about Which was freedom and liberty.
That was the primary thing that America was founded on.
That we would have individual liberty.
That people would be able to make these decisions on their own.
That they would control their own life.
That we would not have somebody in Washington dictating to us that we would have to buy health care from an insurance company.
Part of it is a...
Socialism in that sense that they would take money from some people and then give subsidized health care to other people.
So that's a socialist aspect of it.
But the fascist aspect of it is that they would mandate that you have to buy a product from a private corporation.
That's pure fascism.
owen shroyer
Which we have with Obamacare.
david knight
Which is, yeah.
So Obamacare is a good example.
It's a mixture of fascism and socialism that we see throughout our government.
owen shroyer
And they chant for fascism in the streets.
They chant against the anti...
David, I don't know how I deal with this, but they chant against fascism in the streets, but they'll get mad at Trump for wanting to repeal Obamacare, which is a fascist bill, essentially.
And even though I think that some of Trump's policies are more leaning towards big government, I've been almost kind of, I don't know if shocked is the right word, but I mean, Trump has, for the most part, avoided...
Doing anything that could put the term dictator on him or authoritarian on him.
I mean, he could really come down on some of these people.
I feel like he could really come down on a Susan Rice.
You know, he could really come down on some of these people in the deep state.
And he's kind of just letting them operate.
He's kind of just letting them operate.
And I don't know if that's a game he's playing, a rope-a-dope tactic or what.
Thank you for the call, Alex, from Kentucky.
But that's something that I'm kind of seeing with Trump.
And sometimes for me, I'm like...
You know, Trump, just come down.
Just drop the hammer on some of these people.
I'm sick of hearing some of them.
david knight
Well, again, it may be that he doesn't have all the people that he needs in order to be able to pull this through because they have deliberately delayed and stalled the appointment of people that would support him.
owen shroyer
Right.
All right, let's take another call.
Let's go to who's been hanging the longest.
Chris in Ohio.
Misinfo on the mainstream media.
Yeah, that's just about all it is, especially on these liberal media networks.
Go ahead, Chris.
unidentified
Hello.
I'm calling because I wanted to get a point out to everybody that watches you guys.
You know, it seems like the leftists have all this time on their hands to shove their agenda and go out and protest and act like idiots.
And the right, you know, we have jobs, we have kids, we have things in our lives that keep us busy.
We need to start making time to call the mainstream media stations, you know, and tell them that we're tired of this.
Either put out Put out the proof on Trump or shut up.
owen shroyer
Well, you know, I think that one thing, you know, because you talk about how we always make the joke that, you know, the liberal protesters, they don't have a job, they live at home, so that's how they can, you know, go out at 11 o'clock a.m.
on a weekday and protest every day of the week.
david knight
Or they have a grant from Soros.
owen shroyer
Or they have a grant, you know, they're a professional protester, right.
But, you know, one thing I think that Trump is putting a lot of stake in And this is where I think that you're right about it's time for the American people on the right to start really taking the power back.
And they did when they voted for Trump.
And that's the next upcoming round of local elections.
This next upcoming round of local elections, we can start to see people like John McCain, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters...
Rahm Emanuel, the list goes on and on.
In the next three years, we can see all of these people removed from office if the people go to the polls and vote with their brains.
Vote with a well-researched vote.
And then we can see some of these people in government that are just gumming up the works.
Not even gumming up the works.
I mean, people like Maxine Waters and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are just outright I don't even know the correct term to describe them here on this family show.
But that's what I think Trump is putting a lot of stake in.
And that's, I think, our answer.
I don't want to go out and protest.
I don't want people to go out and protest.
You've got a family.
You've got a job.
Just go to the pool.
Go to the pool.
Once a year when it's your time and vote, get an intelligent vote and vote the right people into office.
And like I said, once you start getting the Chuck Schumers, all of these people, the same people, Adam Schiff, vote these people out!
Get them out!
And immediately I think we can start to see some progress.
David?
david knight
The globalists have had a slogan for a long time, think globally, act locally.
You need to think constitutionally, you need to think about liberty.
Who is going to advance the cause that I get my life back out of the hands of Washington, out of the hands of your state capitol, back into my hands?
Who is going to advance that and then work for that at the local election?
That is a difficulty that we have as a national news organization, as an international news organization, to focus On so many of these different individual races, but that's where the real power is.
And if you want to leverage that, instead of going out and getting into dust-ups with these social justice warriors, these people, then get involved in politics, take over the Republican Party, and get some people who care about liberty Who care about the Constitution, who are going to give you control of your life back.
Nobody's going to give it to you.
You have to work for it, but you've got to find some people who are going to lead that fight, who are going to take that fight for you to the state capitol, to the national capitol.
That's what you need to do.
That's where you need to focus your efforts.
owen shroyer
Final word, Chris.
unidentified
I think that we also need to call mainstream media.
I'm not saying go out and protest.
I don't have time for that.
Most people, I don't think, do.
And when you see all the violence, I mean, You know, putting it out there, I'm going to be 50 this month.
In my lifetime, I have never, ever seen the level of just blatant violence and the arrogance.
And I really think that Obama and his administration got sloppy because they really thought that Democrats would win.
owen shroyer
Well, they wanted this.
This is the atmosphere that they wanted to create.
This was the atmosphere that the Obama administration, specifically Barack Obama, wanted to create.
And...
Places like the ACLU are just propping this atmosphere up.
They're embracing the atmosphere.
They love it because it gives them the opportunity for more funding.
Thank you for the call, Chris.
You know, but what she said about the mainstream media and fighting back and protesting the mainstream media, David, here's actually my plan, and I'm working on this right now.
I am putting together a list of all of the companies that run advertising on CNN's television network.
I'm putting together that list as we speak.
Now, to no surprise, pretty much every advertisement is either a fast food company or a big pharmaceutical company or an insurance company.
It's pretty much it.
Or a beer company.
So I'm putting together this list.
That's how we can stop the mainstream media because...
The ratings aren't there.
They're already dying in the ratings.
It doesn't matter if nobody watches CNN. CNN could literally have zero viewers a night.
If they continue to get advertisers to buy their time shares, then they will continue to run their programming.
So we have to hit them where it hurts, and that's in the pocketbooks.
If these, if people know that they're going to get boycotted, if they put an ad on CNN, it might take a year, but trust me, people are going to stop running ads on CNN.
I promise you that folks, that's how the economy works.
We're already seeing that work in real time right now with the Trump administration replacing the Obama administration.
So I'll, I'll, I'll do my best to complete that list and I'll put it out on Twitter, but that's my plan.
I don't know if you have any thoughts on that, David.
I'm just going to put out the list of all the people that advertise on CNN's television networks that run commercials and I'm going to say, here you go, boycott these companies.
If they know you're boycotting because they pay CNN, then they'll withdraw their advertising and CNN will get hit in the pocketbook.
What do you think?
david knight
I'm not even worried about the mainstream media.
We're going to transcend the mainstream media.
We already are transcending the mainstream media.
Trump transcended them.
How did he do it?
He did it with the help of a mass of people.
You still have tens of thousands of people show up.
They packed venues and that sort of thing.
If you can transfer...
owen shroyer
Those are Russians.
david knight
That kind of grassroots...
Yeah, exactly.
owen shroyer
Those are Russians.
david knight
We didn't have liked him.
The Russians did, right?
But if you can transfer that kind of grassroots support...
To people who have a liberty agenda, who have a constitutional agenda at your local level, you can transcend the mainstream media pushing back the lies that they're going to tell people, the money that they're going to have to advertise.
You can have that same type of...
It's going to be difficult to do it.
You're going to have to do it as a group because nobody's going to come around with a lot of money like Donald Trump to wage a national campaign.
The good news is that if you do it at the lowest possible level and work it up from the bottom up, you don't have to have a billionaire who has a populist agenda.
You don't need a blue-collar billionaire like Donald Trump if you work it from the bottom up.
We need to have a mass movement of people who are educated, who understand what they stand for, why they want their freedom, and they have to demand it en masse.
And if they do that, you can transcend the mainstream media.
That's what's necessary, I think, to win this thing.
owen shroyer
So you're saying maybe like a young guy should maybe start like a grassroots campaign.
david knight
You've already got people who are connected via Trump.
Exactly.
You've got people who are already connected at the local level.
They need to coalesce.
We started to see that with the Tea Party.
But the Tea Party's problems, in my opinion, were that they didn't have anything that they could coalesce around.
It started to fracture because there wasn't a coherent goal of what they wanted.
The founders of this country had a very easy, coherent goal.
Everything was measured against individual liberty.
It is a zero-sum game.
You either make this decision about your life or somebody else makes this decision about your life.
You either do it locally or somebody in England does it for you or somebody in Washington does it for you or somebody in Austin does it for you.
owen shroyer
For somebody at the UN if Hillary Clinton would have won.
david knight
Exactly, if Hillary Clinton had won.
So we have to have a goal.
The goal is, the easy standard that we measure everything against is, does this make me freer, or does it give somebody else control over my life?
If you set that up, instead of this vaguely defined Tea Party, I think things will move ahead at that point.
We can still have disagreements as to what's going to advance the cause of liberty.
Nobody will ever agree 100%.
But you could get a grassroots movement against candidates who would fight it at the city level, who would fight it at the county level, and then you can move up to the state level because then you're going to identify if these people can get something done at those local levels, you're going to know who's going to do something at the state level and then at the national level.
owen shroyer
Let's go to a Navy veteran, George, in Florida.
Go ahead, George.
unidentified
Yes.
Hello, Owen.
Thank you very much for having me on, sir.
And the same goes to you as well, David Knight.
Neither of you two gentlemen may have ever served in the military, but the both of you two are doing this nation such a great service.
It's immeasurable.
Inside of the United States Navy Marine Corps, there is a lot of mentorship and leadership that goes on as soon as you get in and hand-holding.
And this is a fatherless nation.
And I want to say that gentlemen like you and Alex Jones, I've really done a great deal to not only just put out talking points of political value that help Americans wake up and realize where our real struggles lie right now in our lives and in our country, but you're starting to put moral values back into people as well.
And I'm not one to speak to religion and Christianity and et cetera, et cetera.
But you are doing great, great work over there.
owen shroyer
Well, you know, you talk about leadership, George.
You talk about leadership, George, and hold on right there.
You know, I never served, my dad never served, but my grandpa did serve in the Navy.
And it's funny that you talk about leadership.
You know, my grandfather was a very independent man, and he pretty much would let me run around and light the world on fire, basically, and tell me to learn the hard way.
My mom's probably listening to this laughing right now, and that would freak my mom out.
My mom would hate leaving me with my grandpa because she knows that if I was with grandpa, he was going to let me learn the hard way, and he was going to say toughen up.
And that would freak my mom out.
But the truth was, it was that he was a strong, independent man.
He was a Navy man.
And he said, you know what?
You're going to have to learn how to be tough.
The world isn't easy.
You're going to make mistakes, and you're going to have troubles, and you're not going to have your mom over your shoulder all the time to back you up.
And that was something that I think, I don't know if that's what you were alluding to, George, but I feel like that's kind of the same paradigm that the social justice warriors or these young liberals in college are experiencing, where They look to the government to help them.
They want the government to answer all their problems.
Oh, I took on this enormous amount of student debt and I don't have a clue how I'm going to pay it off.
Save me, government.
You know what I'm saying?
It's that same mentality and it goes through every walk of life.
And it's like, no, no.
Take responsibility for yourself.
Toughen up.
That's what it means to live in the West.
david knight
Well, they have gone to school.
They have been institutionalized most of their life.
And what has that institution told them?
That institution has told them that the government knows best.
The government is benevolent.
The government has all of your interests at heart.
We need to go back to the foundations of this country.
And again, Washington, Franklin, others who are not explicitly Christian.
They wanted to avoid appearing to be sectarian because that would have split the country apart.
Many of the states had official religions, and they had fled a system where they had a particular denomination or sect rammed down their throat.
That was the last thing they wanted.
So they spoke in general terms about God, but they also spoke about morals.
And they said, if we don't have a moral foundation, we will not be able to maintain a democracy.
And they understood that the roots of this country were rooted in what we call Judeo-Christian morals and ethics.
And when we abandon those foundations, then we are really in serious trouble.
And we can see what the fruit of that is.
In our society today because we've abandoned those foundations and unless there is a revival, unless we turn back to those, and it is those things.
You're talking about mentoring people as fathers.
It is a revival, a turning back to those morals that will turn the hearts of the fathers to their children.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and then people like Snoop Dogg and Bow Wow and Lena Dunham and all of these other people will have no say anymore.
They'll have no pull, the most immortal people in our culture that just preach immorality.
david knight
Well, the things that we always saw that were...
unidentified
People realize that those individuals are entertainers.
They are not people to be taking your life lessons from.
And again, this is not...
owen shroyer
Wait, I shouldn't take a life lesson from Miley Cyrus?
david knight
But they're presented as role models, and unless parents, whether you have two parents in a home or you have one parent in a home, you have to take the position of a role model.
You have to be deliberate about the morals that you're going to impart to your children.
unidentified
The generation that I grew up with was lost enough, but what's been going on right now, like you were saying, with what's going on inside of the The major big colleges, like John Rappaport's couple page report, it was very...
owen shroyer
They all have mental disorders!
That was an unbelievable report from John Rappaport, how most college students actually have a mental disorder.
And here's the thing about that is, now there's a big debate right now in the industry whether you can say, well there's an increase of mental disorder, or well there's just an increase of diagnosis of mental disorder.
Well, either way, it's an increase.
So something's going on here.
Either they're pushing pharmaceuticals down the students' throats, or there's some serious mental problems going on.
unidentified
Well, I could seriously pivot to pharmaceuticals, but I'm just going to stay with one moment.
This isn't some huge Russian collusion narrative that veterans and people at Infowars are all following the same mentality.
It is.
We are reading from the same sheet of paper to quote and lean on many other smarter men than myself.
And that is exactly what's going on right now.
And inside of the government, people like Chuck Schumer right now, who's getting more camera time than Tom Cruise in the 1980s, who looks like Count Chocula, by the way.
I have to get out there.
Thank you.
It's ridiculous what's going on right now.
You don't want a pastrami sandwich from Chuck Schumer?
owen shroyer
Here, eat my pastrami.
unidentified
CNN's never going to go away.
It is being broadcast inside of every military base, inside of every naval medical facility, inside of every A school, C school, either that are football.
It's ridiculous the narratives that are pushing inside of that.
And if you don't drink the Kool-Aid, they're going to make you disappear.
And people don't realize this.
You see, I rolled my eyes at you guys when a friend turned me to you.
Many years ago before my service, and then I was so gaslit that listening to you and finally finding you people and tuning in was honestly what saved me from becoming a statistic.
And this is not a lie.
This is not a dramatization.
You were some of the only people that is broadcasting the truth.
And honestly, just like Alex Jones says, I'm waiting for you guys to disappear.
I'm waiting for you guys to just absolutely disappear.
owen shroyer
I was sitting here one day and everything went dark.
And I thought that might have been the moment.
david knight
You know, it's funny, you talked about how they push CNN in the military.
I had a friend of mine that I visited, a friend from high school.
He was working at the Pentagon at the time.
He took me on a tour 20 years ago.
And we were walking around the areas that he showed me, and they had CNN playing on monitors everywhere in the Pentagon 20 years ago.
And I said, I can't believe you...
owen shroyer
When they had Charles Jaco running fake reports.
david knight
But he says, well, yeah, he says often they have the information before we do.
But see, that was the thing that was concerning to me about that was that they would rely on CNN's narrative for that information.
But of course, as part of Operation Mockingbird, I mean, they push a narrative that they, you know, it is, they were listening to a government transcript.
Transmission, quite frankly.
And we've seen that in the many years that have followed the false narrative, the false news, the staging of incidents that CNN has done.
But it is true.
I mean, they do use that.
I have not been in...
unidentified
If you do not drink the Kool-Aid, they're going to make it go away.
There are some weak-minded people that try to rise up and serve their country, and as soon as the brainwashing there gets to them too much, They go to medical, they claim, you know, the anxiety the source is getting to them, and if they start singing the narrative that they don't like, some kind of song about how the command is corrupt, or if they've seen something they shouldn't have, or...
owen shroyer
Yeah, you gotta be careful.
unidentified
...about how the superiors are sleeping with the subordinates, they are gonna make you disappear to a mental hospital, they're gonna medicate you, and then you're going to magically disappear, hang yourself, et cetera, et cetera.
People can laugh and think this is a joke, but it's not a lie.
Anyone who has served...
You guys ask for veterans to rise up so much, but you have no idea how much there's condition in there to sit down and shut up.
And when they come around yearly, bi-yearly, bi-annual, I hate to roll over you guys like this, and they come around for these command comfort questionnaires, and they sit there, they'll have a four-star admiral come in, this is the God-honest truth, gentlemen, and they will come in and he'll say, in front of 500 people, 1,500 people, and say, Okay, does anybody here have a problem with anything?
Anything at all?
And it will be crickets, because you are designed to behave like that from boot camp, and all you will give is softball questions.
owen shroyer
And is that not something that has a reverse effect, George, that ends up working people in the opposite direction, scratching their head like, this isn't right, what's going on here?
unidentified
And if, God forbid, you ask a serious question, like one E7, a chief in the Navy, said, hey, listen, sir, excuse me, Admiral, I broke my arm on my leg in a car accident going back a couple weeks ago, I got hit with your analysis the very following Monday after coming back from ER. I obviously popped dirty.
I had to spend my own career with my own money to retain my job here.
So, you know, if this guy could get an answer, his commanding, shut him down and hurt everybody.
Okay?
And it was cricket.
And then back to rolling the oranges across the floor with questions written with marker on them.
I mean, it is serious, people, and no one understands or believes this.
david knight
Well, you know, what you're talking about now is the 1984 treatment.
The people who are awake and understand what's happening, they get the 1984 treatment.
You begin by talking about morals.
And if people want to understand this from a different perspective, get outside of, you know, maybe you don't like Christianity, you don't like religion, you think that Christianity is a religion, whatever.
You know, if you want to look at it from the standpoint of Brave New World, that's what's really going on.
They want to give you this hedonistic society.
They want to lull you to sleep.
They want to entertain you.
And if you're willing to do that, and the vast majority of people will do that, that's what you'll get.
You'll get Brave New World.
And we're seeing that instituted throughout the schools as an instrument of social change.
But if you wake up and if you ask questions, And they perceive you as a threat, you will get the 1984 treatment, and that will mean that they shut down your career at the military.
That's one of the aspects of that that comes out of that.
unidentified
Yes, you're exactly right.
I have seen it happen a number of times, and you know, just one last thing.
owen shroyer
All right, make it quick, George.
We've got to take a break.
unidentified
Absolutely, absolutely.
I'm sorry.
Just make it quick.
One last time, when I got to my last command, they had said, you know, who here is new to this command?
I said, you know, obviously myself.
They said, listen, there's a story.
It's true.
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Welcome back.
Final segment.
InfoWars Live 3 to 5. Owen Schroer, David Knight.
Let's go right back out to the phone lines.
We've got a lot of callers, so please make your point right out of the gates and quick.
Let's go to Patrick in Houston.
Go ahead, Patrick.
unidentified
Hey, what's going on, gentlemen?
How are you doing today?
owen shroyer
Doing good.
unidentified
Yeah, well, initially I wanted to discuss the ignorance's bliss as far as Cruz and Cornyn were concerned during the SJ Resolution 34 discussions.
I called their offices several times and their own people didn't even know what I was talking about.
Oh, shocking.
I know, shocking.
And you took $48,000 from telecommunications.
Yeah, so, but other than vote them out, The options are you call, you badger, you let them know.
But ignorance is bliss.
If they don't even know what's in the bill, they don't even know that their bosses are with the bill.
I mean, it's just from top to bottom.
How empty is it, guys?
owen shroyer
No, I think that it's an underestimated power of a phone call that people don't really think about.
Thank you for the call, Patrick.
I'm telling you, when I first started doing this and I started calling, when I back lived in St. Louis and I first got woke up, David, I started looking at some of these votes and when I didn't like the way my representatives voted, I called the office.
And I'm telling you, nine out of ten times someone would answer and be like, what?
A voter?
A voter is calling me?
A constituent is on the phone that cares?
They are shocked when a voter actually calls and voices their concerns on the phone to these people.
david knight
It makes a difference.
Let me tell you, when we had the National Education Association and teachers unions, Try to shut down homeschooling, and they've done that a number of times.
Homeschooling families would be active.
They would pick up the phone and they would call.
And so even against a massively powerful entrenched union and government bureaucracy, you can have an effect.
They do not expect to get phone calls from this stuff.
So if all of a sudden their phone lines are shut down with people calling them, And those are voters.
Numerous times with people when they try to shut down or homeschooling by imposing regulations and restrictions on it.
When that happens, they pay attention.
And that's why I'm saying you can still get these people's attention on a lot of these issues.
And you can really do it if you operate at the local level.
You can have even more power than you do with these congressional people.
And, of course, we've seen that happen at the congressional level, at the Washington, D.C. level.
People can have an effect.
Homeschooling families had an effect.
I saw it happen, and I was absolutely amazed that they could have that much effect.
But think about how your power would be magnified if you were doing that at a local level, at a state level.
owen shroyer
And there's so many of these people, I ask them, that are protesting, did you vote?
And they say no.
Well, no wonder none of your policies get through in the ballot box.
Let's go to Mike in Kansas.
Let's talk about browser history.
Go ahead, Mike.
unidentified
Hello?
owen shroyer
Yeah, you're on the air, Mike.
Make your point.
unidentified
Hi.
Thanks for having me call in, guys.
No, there are ways around it.
I worked for the government for a while, and there's a lot of information that the IRC providers do provide, you know, to the government, so they actually are too attractive.
They have been doing it for quite some time now.
It was about six years ago when I was with them on that.
But there's ways around it.
VPNs aren't always the safest bet either.
or send them, they don't sell your information.
But you turn around and do actually give your information away if it is requested by anyone, by a company. - So I think what he's talking about is browser histories. - Yeah, we got kind of a bad connection on him.
david knight
But here's the thing folks, you know we get upset, a lot of people on the left get upset when the information is sold and there's commerce involved.
And I understand that's a violation of your privacy.
What about the fact that the government is going to use that information?
And there is no restriction on that.
And we had Aaron Schwartz who died trying to shut that down.
We had CISPA offered multiple times.
We had SOPA, ACTA, PIPA. They came up with all these different acronyms.
Finally, they got it passed when they dropped the P. Because they didn't want people, I guess, asking who was being protected.
Who was being protected were the companies that were turning this information over to the government.
Not because they wanted to sell you a set of tires or a brand of soap, but because they wanted to look at you for criminal purposes or because they wanted to know if their phony narrative was working.
That's the thing that I'm really concerned about.
I'm far more concerned about CISA than I am about this bill.
Certainly this is an issue, but let's not look and let's not forget the bigger problem.
The bigger problem that they don't want you to see because they're focusing on this and the Democrats are focusing your attention on this.
The bigger issue is that the government has access to everything that you have there and they've given immunity protection to the corporations who turn it over to them on demand.
We have a fight that is going on right now between Google and the federal government because we had a landmark decision about a year or so ago saying that they could not turn over information that they collected on foreign individuals because Google and other countries wanted to operate in other countries and because it had become so notorious because the Snowden leaks everybody did not want to do business with American companies.
So they're trying to do this for their business purposes.
Imagine if Americans demanded that they had privacy and not just foreign individuals.
And so they're trying to say, no, no, we have a court decision.
You cannot force us to turn over information that we collect on individuals in other countries, even if they're breaking the law.
So that is what we need to start demanding, that we have some privacy here in America.
And it's not just about...
Doing commerce over it.
It's about not having this become dragnet surveillance on the American people.
We've had the Snowden documents.
We've had Vault 7. Can't we understand what is involved here?
And we need to understand this is a large issue.
We need to get to the root of it.
The root of it is CISA. And that's what Aaron Schwartz fought successfully multiple times.
And then we were told that he committed suicide, even though this guy was a hardcore activist who had refused a plea bargain from...
The district attorney that was there and her husband even pointed out that she was blamed for being pressured into it.
owen shroyer
I think the name of that judge was Carmen Ortiz.
david knight
Exactly.
unidentified
Carmen Ortiz.
owen shroyer
If you guys have looked this up, Carmen Ortiz.
david knight
It is.
owen shroyer
And actually, if you look at Carmen Ortiz, she has been a judge on some major cases that have big political, you know...
david knight
Well, she was a prosecutor.
She offered him a plea bargain, they said.
Her husband put it out and then deleted his account afterwards.
Said she offered him like a three-month deal and he turned it down.
They said, oh, he committed suicide because he was so distraught about the prison sentence that he was facing.
No, I don't think so.
And then, interestingly enough, she was the one who was in charge of the April 19th bombing.
owen shroyer
Oh, she had to step down.
david knight
Look at that.
She was somebody that were grooming for a higher office in that area.
And then that blew up in her face because of Aaron Schwartz.
Some people believe that she had pressured him into committing suicide.
I believe that she had...
owen shroyer
That's how the family felt.
david knight
And I believe that he was killed because the intelligence services wanted to pass through CISPA, or in this case, CISA is what they finally got through.
That's what you need to be focused on.
This other thing is important, but it is a side issue compared to what the government can do to you when it demands and gets your information and you can't do anything to these companies about it.
owen shroyer
Let's go to Jason in Florida.
Go ahead, Jason.
unidentified
Good evening, Owen.
Good evening, Mr. Knight.
How are we?
david knight
We're doing good.
Thanks for calling.
unidentified
Great, great.
First things first, let me tell you a little insight here, just from outside source and wanting to see it for myself, the Paul Ryan bill.
Paul Ryan was intentionally stalling that bill.
And I'll tell you why.
And Mr. Knight, you pointed this out earlier, that Trump, it's actually Boehner's bill.
It was given to Ryan, and then Ryan gave it to Previs, and then Previs gave it to Trump.
I'm going to tell you why Trump forced.
This is my opinion, but I think it's the truth.
Trump forced that vote to make Ryan look incompetent.
He met with the Freedom Caucus just before they had to pose the vote.
That was not to get the Freedom Caucus on board.
What we might very well be witnessing is the elimination of Paul Ryan as the Speaker of the House.
owen shroyer
Yeah, and there's another guy who can be voted out of office in the upcoming elections.
unidentified
You're absolutely right.
Now, what Trump has done is shown he is not only incompetent, but he does not have the American people's best interest at heart.
Now, from the Freedom Caucus, you have an amazing group of guys over there.
Now, I'm not saying that because I'm a Freedom Caucus fan.
I'm saying because in the Senate and in the House, as we all know, it's all about policy.
It's all about how things get done.
It has to be done In a certain manner, you know, procedural, that's what it's all about.
Rand Paul is a procedure master.
He proved that, not only with the filibuster, but he also proved it when John McCain just came up and tried to get this little country into the UN nonsense that he tried to pull.
owen shroyer
Yeah, by the way, now McCain is propping up this story that the Assad regime used chemical weapons in Syria There are some highly doubtful things being reported out of that chemical weapons attack.
david knight
We saw this in 2013 when he was selling that narrative.
It was exposed by people first in the UN weapons community as well as Russia, and then eventually Americans in the American military, they exposed that false narrative back in 2013. So McCain is basically running with this, what I believe is a false narrative, with the Assad regime using chemical attacks.
owen shroyer
And they've got all of this propaganda being pushed with it going forward as well.
But it's an interesting point.
And you talk about the Freedom Caucus.
I wonder then if the rhetoric between Trump and the Freedom Caucus is just political.
What do you make of that, Jason?
Because they're butting heads right now.
unidentified
Absolutely, and I'll tell you why they're butting heads.
owen shroyer
It could just be playing politics.
I think they might just be playing politics.
unidentified
Mr. Knight hit it square on the head when he spoke earlier when he talked about the fact that you can't look like a dictator.
Well, he's not going to look like a dictator.
He's going to look like a mediator.
That is his job.
He's a very, very professional businessman.
He hears ideas and people come to him all day long, whether it's nonsense or whether it's a billion-dollar deal.
He hears everyone speak.
david knight
Let me chime in on this because...
Let me chime on this because we had Roger Stone come on earlier and he prefaced it by saying, look, whenever I have criticisms of Trump, it's because I want to see Trump succeed in the agenda that he campaigned on and what I believe that he wants to accomplish.
And so I have those same kind of concerns.
And when he was talking about how he believed this bill came from Boehner and Ryan, and of course I've said in the past, Ryan was picked to run with Mitt Romney because Mitt Romney, the establishment, wanted to get this health care bill through.
Romney care that had been enacted in Massachusetts with Ted Kennedy was exactly like Obamacare.
So they were hedging their bets with Mitt Romney and with Paul Ryan.
And Paul Ryan has blocked any reform or repeal of Obamacare so far.
But what I'm concerned about, and I'm curious as to what you think about when you look at politics, why the Twitter rants from Donald Trump attacking people like Meadows out of California and then threatening Mark Sanford, a Republican out of South Carolina, saying that the budget chief... a Republican out of South Carolina, saying that the budget
Mick Mulvaney, this was reported by The Hill, Mark Sanford said the president said that Mark Mulvaney came to him and said, the president asked me to look you square in the eye and say that he hoped that you would vote no on this bill so that he could run a primary challenger against you in 2011.
And Sanford, who comes from a long line of political Republicans in South Carolina, said that Mulvaney was a friend, a former member of the South Carolina delegation.
He said, I've never had anyone over my time in politics put it to me as directly as that.
And it was reported by Politico that, again, Jared Kushner, who Roger Stone said had, according to his sources, been sending a lot of private tweets to Joe Scarborough at MSNBC that would then result in attacks on Bannon.
They point out in Politico that Kushner had brought in Zeke Emanuel.
This is the brother of Rahm Emanuel.
This is the architect of Obamacare.
Kushner brought him in for the meetings in the White House with senior staff three times, had him meet with Donald Trump once to put forward his view of healthcare.
And of course, Zeke Emanuel has been very outspoken about the fact that he believed that Obamacare would never be repealed.
He said, we can make it better.
But you're never going to get rid of it.
We put this thing in here.
So the question that I have when we look at what's moving forward with this and the attacks against Justin Amash by Dan Scavino, Trump's social media director, by the attacks, the threats made to Sanford.
And I want to say this, too.
We've had a lot of people, not just Roger Stone.
We've had Laura Ingraham.
We've had Michael Savage say, we don't really understand what Donald Trump is doing attacking the House Freedom Caucus.
And as Laura Ingraham pointed out, she said there were more people, this did not cause you to lose votes, there were more people who were opposed to this bill that were outside the House Freedom Caucus, the so-called maybe moderates in the Republican Party were opposed to it, than people in the Freedom Caucus.
And yet it was the Freedom Caucus who stood by Donald Trump when it was Paul Ryan trying to oust him in October.
Here's an article from CNN. Mark Meadows, in October 2016, saying that efforts to remove Speaker Ryan were picking up steam because many GOP lawmakers and a stream of callers to this North Carolina congressman's office were very upset that Paul Ryan had not embraced Donald Trump's candidacy.
He said a lot of people who believe so desperately that we need to put Donald Trump in the White House question the loyalty to the Speaker.
And so at that point, he was saying House Freedom Caucus is going to talk after the election about getting Paul Ryan out of the speakership.
And so when I look at this, I don't understand why this misplaced loyalty unless it is Jared Kushner who has Donald Trump's ear.
I mean, Jared Kushner left while this was all happening, went to Aspen so he could distance himself from it, then comes back and perhaps, and this is pure supposition, perhaps he was telling Trump Hey, it's these guys in the House Freedom Caucus because he's been bringing in Zeke Emanuel, the guy who was the author of Obamacare.
What do you think?
owen shroyer
Jason, we've got to let you go.
Thank you for the call.
Let's get to one more caller.
Let's go to Larry in Ohio.
Please make it quick, Larry.
We've got just a couple seconds.
Larry, go ahead.
unidentified
Okay.
A couple things real quick.
I don't know if you guys have access to C-SPAN's archive films, but years ago, I believe during the Bush administration.
I don't know how many people realize how close we come to this country coming to an end, okay?
It was Christmas week of this particular year.
I just happened to be going across C-SPAN, caught the channel for the Senate.
They were having a vote.
It only takes a majority to pass a bill, okay, if it's in the final stages.
The bill was going to open up Alaska for drilling, yak yak, and all this other crap.
But there was an amendment to this bill, okay?
The longest serving senator in American history, Robert C. Byrd, had to have gotten wind of this.
It stayed there.
They held the bill.
They went to have the vote.
Robert C. Byrd filibustered this thing.
This man was very upset.
He was bent out of shape like you couldn't believe.
He pulled his little Bible out of his pocket, slamming it on the podium.
I thought the man was going to have a heart attack.
What that amendment was, was to suspend the U.S. Constitution.
The senior Republican from Alaska, who is now dead, he died before they could convict him of all the crimes he had done.
He was kicked out of the Senate.
Robert C. Birch stopped this.
This was back, I believe, during the Bush administration.
Had that happened, You, me, and nobody else will be having this conversation.
That's how close we come to losing our country.
owen shroyer
Well, that's an interesting point.
I mean, you look at...
You read some of the fine print on the NDAA. I mean, you could essentially say that that pretty much stalls the Constitution.
I mean, there's so much unconstitutionality in the NDAA that...
You could make the same point there, I think, Larry.
Thank you for the call.
david knight
It was left as a formal declaration that the Constitution is dead.
It has a dead letter.
owen shroyer
And just real quick, with Trump and the Freedom Caucus and Kushner meeting with Zeke Emanuel, it is funny.
It looks like they're trying to play both sides.
Who knows what the end goal is.
I don't think that Trump is truly butting heads with the Freedom Caucus.
I think that he's just doing that to give the Democrats a false sense of hope.
That the Freedom Caucus will try to stall any Trump agenda as they would with themselves.
Before we go to Millie Weaver's video documentary report on wind energy, let's play this clip of Lavoie Finnicum's niece.
Now, I'm just going to say this before we go to the clip.
If Lavoie Finnicum would have been a black man, I have a feeling that the media would have given this story a lot more attention.
Let's go to this video of Lavoie Finnicum's niece.
unidentified
Honestly, I'm a mother and a hard worker and I never knew that this was going on in our country until my uncle started standing up for his own ranch.
And I'm learning a lot.
And so I think that every American needs to stand up.
It may not affect you directly.
Not yet.
Immediately.
That's what I mean.
But it will.
And it has hit me at home with my uncle being murdered.
And I want my kids to live free.
And I want my grandkids to live free.
And right now, that isn't happening.
And the mainstream media does not tell the truth, usually.
They may say parts of the truth, but right now they're not telling the truth.
And my job is to get out here and tell the people the truth about my uncle and who he was and how he was murdered.
rob dew
Yeah, there's apparently at least two bullets that were fired that were unaccounted for in that ambush, and one of them was a high-powered rifle, as far as I know.
What facts have you learned since all the information's been coming out?
unidentified
There are a lot of things going on right now that we don't know and I am not going to talk about anything that I don't know because we don't know the facts right now.
No one knows the facts because they're not being put out there for us to know.
So our family is working on an investigation so we are encouraging everyone to sign our petition.
We're petitioning the Oversight Committee of Government Reform to do an investigation of his death.
That is my website.
I created that after my uncle was killed to unite Americans no matter what your cause is, no matter what liberty fight you have.
We need to all stand together no matter what your cause is.
If you're standing for the Constitution, then we are standing for liberty and standing with God.
And that is what we all need to do.
We need to unite now and stand for liberty and stand for God.
rob dew
Totally agree.
You got anything else you want to add?
unidentified
I just, I really want everybody to just stand up and get involved in your community.
There's many, many ways that even a mother like me can stand up and get involved in her community and I encourage everyone to do that.
That's the only way that this is going to change.
It's the only way.
rob dew
Alright, give us your website again.
unidentified
The website is nationalstandbymeforliberty.com.
And you will find Patriot Support Center.
There are 23 or more prisoners right now being held for standing up for their First Amendment and Second Amendment rights.
And they did nothing wrong.
They didn't point a weapon not one time.
Not one shot was fired from those Patriots.
Not one.
But the terrorists here are the FBI in this matter.
So everybody needs to know that.
rob dew
And now they're going after the one sheriff that supported the guys up there in Burns, Oregon.
He wasn't from that county, but the neighboring county.
And he actually came out and said it was an ambush.
And now they're trying to get him out of office.
unidentified
Well, you know what?
We're working with him.
And our community, the Stand By Me community that we have created, is backing him and backing any sheriff or legislator or any representative in any state that is willing to stand for the Constitution.
So if they're standing for the Constitution, we stand behind them.
All right.
rob dew
All right.
Thanks a lot.
Thanks a lot for speaking out.
unidentified
Thank you.
owen shroyer
All right.
david knight
And again, we played that report because we had Lord Moncton on earlier in the program talking to Alex Jones, and he brought up the issue of Lavoie Finnicum's murder.
And it clearly was a murder.
If you look at those videotapes and you look at the aerial footage that was first put out by the FBI without any sound, and then you look at the video that came out later from inside the vehicle and you put those two side by side, you get a real clear picture Of what was going on there.
And, of course, the trial right now at the Bundy Ranch has just entered the second stage, the defense stage.
And there were some interesting admissions in the first stage of that, the fact that the FBI went around with film crews afterwards trying to get people to talk about it in a way that would incriminate them.
So it's a very interesting development.
You need to pay attention to what's going on there.
There's very important constitutional issues involved there.
owen shroyer
And this is an example that we have the video, we could actually have a fair discussion based on the video that you could see the media rolling with to increase ratings, but no, they'd rather push the Michael Brown thing where we have no video, it's ambiguous, and they can racially base the entire story.
david knight
They ran the false narrative of the FBI for a couple of weeks until everybody thought they knew all about it and let them spin what was happening with that.
And then when nobody was paying any attention, then the rest of it came out.
It's kind of like putting the retraction on page 35 of Section C in the newspaper after you run with headlines, front page headlines, for weeks indicting somebody.
Then they come out with the full story later on that most people have never paid any attention to.
owen shroyer
And a lot of people are saying that it's just pathetic how the mainstream media has completely ignored that story.
Just completely ignored it.
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We are here in Kansas City and we're going to be asking people what their opinion on climate change is, if they believe that it's a real thing.
We're also going to find out what they know about green energy, wind turbines, and if they've actually ever lived near a wind farm.
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I think it's pretty obvious that we have a substantial amount of climate change in Kansas City considering it's like the first day of spring near December.
So I think it's incredibly important that we invest in green energy.
I do believe in climate change and about green energy I think it needs to be more proactive than what we're doing now.
I believe in climate change and as far as green energy, solar and solar energy is really the way to go and it's a lot cleaner.
I know it's changing because like in the wintertime it's a different weather.
It's like summertime weather and then sometimes in the summertime it's winter weather.
I believe in climate change for sure.
I'm very big on green energies.
Anything sustainable I support 100%.
Yeah, I think climate change is something that's probably occurring.
I think there's a lot of inconclusive evidence or we get mixed reviews, but ultimately I think we could say we could do better.
I think green energy is great and I do believe in climate change.
millie weaver
You think it's too warm?
unidentified
Yeah.
For this type of season right here, yeah.
Hey, does Alex Jones, does he believe in aliens?
Yes or no?
millie weaver
Do you believe in climate change?
unidentified
Does Alex Jones believe that the elite is controlled by aliens?
Yes or no?
millie weaver
Do you believe in climate change?
I'm not Alex Jones, so I... Well, that's the news agency you represent.
unidentified
You spread lies to the masses, and then they go and they...
I can't...
You should be ashamed of yourself.
millie weaver
Yeah, okay, buddy.
I don't even know.
You're talking craziness.
I'm trying to ask you, do you...
I'm going to ask you a legitimate question.
Do you believe in climate change?
unidentified
Absolutely.
millie weaver
Why?
What are your reasons for believing in climate change?
unidentified
Drive the car.
Yeah, I don't...
It's a red light, so this is cool.
There's more ice in the Arctic Shelf right now in the north than ever.
That is happening because it's melting at a rapid rate everywhere else.
It's going to change the currents in the ocean, and then we're going to start to see massive...
I gotta go.
Yeah, we gotta go.
All right.
But yeah, you know, keep doing what you're doing.
millie weaver
Do you believe that coal power and gas power are bad?
And do you want people to replace those powers with wind and solar?
unidentified
Absolutely.
If we can provide and create and utilize sustainable energy, then why wouldn't we?
I think as much as we can, we should.
To an extent we can, but we'd have to really expand the solar quite a bit in order to do that.
Because right now we do use so much coal and gas and oil.
Yeah, so it can be, you know, we can try and make the world better like I used to be back in the days to where, you know, make where the houses and stuff is like solar powered and stuff like that.
It'd probably be better for me.
You bet.
Absolutely.
millie weaver
Do you know much about wind power?
unidentified
I don't actually.
I know the guys that work on the wind farms get paid a lot of money.
That's about it though.
Oh, I think wind power is also great.
I know there's a lot of windmills in Kansas and Iowa and I think that's a great idea as well.
I don't really know too much about that.
I do.
I know a lot about wind power.
My son is very much involved in green energy because he's a landscape architect and he's worked on projects promoting wind power, especially in the Greensburg, Kansas area.
I think it's great.
I think it's a good idea.
I know it created a lot of jobs when they're first installing them, and a lot of the people who got them on their land also get like a government stipend, I believe.
millie weaver
Did they continue to create jobs?
unidentified
I would say as soon as the manufacturing is done, there would be zero jobs.
millie weaver
Have you ever lived near a wind farm before?
unidentified
I have not.
I've drove through the ones in Kansas, but I've not lived near one.
No.
I haven't.
I had one friend a couple years back.
millie weaver
And what did he say about his experience?
unidentified
He didn't really tell me too much about it.
He just was telling me where he used to stay at.
I don't know anybody who has lived on or near a green wind farm, but I know my son's involvement with it and it's very important, I think.
I know several people who have them on their properties where they, so usually they buy out large chunks of land and put in several on a pasture or open sort of high plain area.
It doesn't seem to cause too many problems.
There's been a couple incidents with installing them and the cattle that are currently on that land.
But other than that, it's negligible, I'd say.
millie weaver
Did you ever hear anything about wind farms causing birds to die?
unidentified
I have not.
No.
I thought they had the little sound things on them that kept the birds away, but I could be mistaken.
The only thing I've heard about is that they say that some birds do get killed by the windmills, but other than that, I haven't heard anything negative about it.
Ooh, couldn't say for sure whether I have not heard that.
It is very plausible.
I'd like to see some numbers on that.
My impression from my reading is that it's very minimal.
millie weaver
What do you know about the wind turbine's effects on bat populations?
unidentified
On bat population, I would, I mean, I don't know anything about it other than I would guess it would be very minimal.
millie weaver
Would it surprise you to know that it's between 600,000 and 900,000 bats a year?
unidentified
Yeah, it would surprise me to know that.
I have yet to hear it.
I think a lot of the places that are getting wind turbines in their area are the rural areas and people are happier to have cheaper energy out there than not have it.
millie weaver
Do you think that the wind farms generate a lot of energy?
unidentified
Probably so.
Well, I'm not familiar with the Health concerns at this point.
I just couldn't speak to that.
millie weaver
It's not surprising to find that many of the people living in the big cities are very much for green energy and they do believe in climate change.
But we also find that these people have very little personal experience up close to these wind turbines and they've actually never lived near one of these things.
So we're going to go drive out to the rural areas and see if we can find some people that live right next to these wind farms and ask them what's their opinion on these wind farms What are the drawbacks?
We are here in Hayes, Kansas, where a wind farm called the Buckeye Wind Farm has been erected a couple years ago.
I had the opportunity to speak with a young florist working in a flower shop that did say that there has been an unusual increase in funerals In the area surrounding these wind turbines for people that are living by these wind farms.
She was very nervous and hesitant to speak to me and when it came down to it, her manager or boss did not allow her to be interviewed because they were just uncertain about the whole thing.
But this just goes to speak to more of this weird phenomenon of health impacts surrounding these wind farms.
unidentified
Quite the workday for El Paso County Commissioners.
After a lengthy 15-hour meeting, commissioners vote to move forward on changes to a controversial wind farm project.
11 News reporter Kristen Halbrick is live now.
Kristen, you talked to County Commissioner Amy Lathan tonight.
This is her district, so even with all those strong objections, why did she say yes?
County commissioners say if they said no, they could have been faced with a very expensive lawsuit.
I talked with County Commissioner Amy Lathan.
It's her district.
I asked her why she was one to vote yes when she was originally against it.
If Nextera stopped the project, Lathan says they could then turn around and sue the county.
If we just decide that we just don't want you to develop somewhere because we don't like it, that's considered arbitrary and capricious under the law.
And construction is set to start right here next month.
Nextera is hoping to have the wind farm fully operational by the end of this year.
Well, new tonight, a marathon hearing about the wind power project near Calhan that El Paso County commissioners approved a year ago continues right now.
It's a feeling of claustrophobia because you can't get away from it.
It's a feeling of claustrophobia because you can't get away from it.
I get nausea so I have to take, I'm taking so much medication you can't even believe it.
I'm not a big baby about stuff and I'm the first one to get out there and work hard and to know that my garden is something I enjoy doing and I can't, I'm not going to be able to do it because Because I can't enjoy it outside anymore.
millie weaver
We're here out in Calhan, Colorado, amongst the Golden West Wind Farm Array.
Now, there are a lot of people out here in Calhan.
As you can see, these wind turbines were built amongst a heavily residential area in a rural community.
I mean, there are homes kind of all throughout here, and these are giant wind turbines.
I mean, people don't realize how How enormous these wind turbines are.
If you actually were to measure the blade diameter, it's actually the length of a football field.
A lot of these people did not participate.
They didn't get compensated.
They were against the wind turbines being put next to their homes.
For a variety of different reasons.
And I've seen a lot of properties out here that look like people have moved and left.
We're here right by Liberty Road.
And the reason why I chose to do this right by Liberty Road is because our liberties, our property rights as rural community citizens of the United States are under attack by globalist influence, wind turbine, industrial corporations.
unidentified
In order to elicit health effects on the Inversound, Senior scientist Vladimir Gavro is an electrical engineer.
It seems Gavro has constructed an acoustic weapon.
It begins when he and his assistant start suffering bouts of dizziness and nausea.
Humans can't hear infrasound, but it still affects us.
It disrupts a delicate balance system in our inner ear that makes you feel dizzy, nauseous, and generally it's quite unpleasant.
So in order to induce things like headache, nausea, migraines, all of that from infrasound, you have to be at almost ramp here.
And even your air conditioner, the air conditioner...
It takes some time to locate their source.
Gavarol suspects a faulty ventilator has been generating ultra-low frequency sound, inaudible to the human ear, known as infrasound.
French scientist Vladimir Gavarol has stumbled across the dangerous effects of super low frequency sound on the human body.
It's not unique.
Does it come from a wind turbine?
Yes.
Can they actually pick out the signature and say this is wind turbine specific n%?
Yes.
millie weaver
Since the meeting here on Thursday where the county commissioners heard next era defending themselves claiming that yes, we now do admit that infrasound is being trespassed onto non participating residents from these wind turbines.
But their claim was that it was not causing any medical harm.
Well, the person they had as their medical expert was simply a man with no little more than a philosophy PhD degree.
So they had a philosopher up there presenting their medical facts as to why these wind turbines were safe and why infrasound wasn't going to harm residents.
unidentified
And now I'm going to pass the presentation over to Dr. Chris Olson.
My name's Chris Olson.
I hold a PhD in environmental health.
So I've been practicing as an environmental health consultant for the last 20 years.
And Dr. Chris Olson may have an impeccable reputation.
I don't know him.
I do know that I read a letter the other day that said he purchased himself in a Canadian court.
Christopher Olson confirmed under oath that he is not a medical doctor, not an acoustician, not an engineer.
Or an epidemiologist or an expert in epidemiology.
Now that was a statement in court under oath.
He also verified that he has a PhD in philosophy.
Very briefly, I'll clean up a few things here.
I do hold a doctorate of philosophy in environmental science.
A PhD is a doctorate of philosophy, and then you have your subdiscipline, whether it be English, music.
There was a couple of times it was brought up that I had murdered myself in Canada.
I have not ever been charged with surgery.
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.
millie weaver
Well, you know, I did get a chance to go up there and I spoke my mind.
I told them about a scientific study that several of the people out here, the residents participated in, in which medical doctors did say that these wind turbines were causing several residents, including myself, health effects.
I am here in the capacity as both a reporter and as a person who does have an interest.
Now, these are some of my questions.
What right do they have to trespass with noise levels that are in violation and infrasound, which can cause health problems?
And there are numerous studies out there that show this.
You guys want to ask someone about whether they actually did conduct a scientific study?
I did.
unidentified
Please, sir.
We've done what you told us.
I'll have to give the matter a little thought.
Go away and come back tomorrow!
millie weaver
We worked with a doctor, a family practitioner, and my family was being seen by this doctor.
There were numerous tests that were done.
We had hair cortisol tests done.
The doctor actually said, yes, this is extremely abnormal.
Why are all of your guys's, it was myself, my husband, several other neighbors out there.
All of our hair cortisol levels were extremely high to where I said, well, could daily stress, could any amount of daily stress account for these hair cortisol levels?
And she said, no, this is abnormal.
I had numerous problems, which then led us to decide, let's go ahead and work with Robert Rand who is an acoustical engineer who has infrasound reading devices that we could use and he could then analyze the data.
Now we had this study where we had a bunch of people all in a cargo van with the infrasound We had our detection equipment present, tracking our vitals.
We had our heartbeat.
We had our blood pressure.
We had our temperatures being taken as we wrote down our symptoms that we were feeling.
And the doctor then reviewed these notes and said that, yes, there was something anomalous here.
And it was very concerning.
And what she actually diagnosed, the majority of us were experiencing what she termed as a vasovagal response.
There was a cardiovascular effect that we were seeing coming from these wind turbines.
And we had this study reviewed by expert doctors.
And guess what?
We do have expert doctor witnesses saying that, yes, these turbines were causing health problems.
unidentified
Very resourceful.
Yes, sir.
So we'd like you to keep your promise to us.
millie weaver
So when you have somebody like Mr. Olson here, who's not an MD, we have MDs.
We have doctors saying there's something going on here.
In my opinion, you know, Nextera can say one thing, but when we actually have doctors looking and doing studies that we're conducting out there, I think that should speak for itself.
unidentified
You unbreakful creatures!
Think yourselves lucky that I'm giving you audience tomorrow instead of 20 years from now!
Oh!
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
millie weaver
What right do you guys have to impose?
Sound levels that are in violation of safety.
unidentified
On non-participating landowner's property rights.
We will not be responding with that particular question, the legal question.
Again, this department and committee report by county attorney has taken notes.
I don't believe you!
millie weaver
Now, what's interesting is since this meeting happened since Thursday, these wind turbines have been off.
Now, it really makes me wonder, are they going to be off permanently?
Have the county officials decided that they are actually having an enormous liability on their hands?
So we were just standing out here reporting when this man came out and stopped by to ask us why the wind turbines weren't turning and he himself is a resident out here amongst the wind turbine array.
So have you been affected at all by these wind turbines?
unidentified
My family has.
They have made my wife very sick.
She has trouble walking now.
Her joints ache.
We sold off our cattle.
They weren't doing well.
Our chickens stopped laying eggs and we're planning on moving.
We're being forced out.
millie weaver
Is there anything else you want to say about, you know, the wind turbines and things like that?
unidentified
We feel really bad that the county didn't look after the people that were here.
Apparently they got bought off politically or something.
Have you received any complaints at all related to health impacts, whether those are for people or for livestock or pets?
Yes.
Generally speaking, those complaints have been that these impacts have been attributable to the infrasound, which will form noise.
Before I turn things over to Rich to cover in-depth our post-construction Sound monitoring.
I did want to just touch a little bit on the benefits of Golden West for El Paso County.
We have some one-time items, such as the $1.6 million development fee that was paid to El Paso County, $1.3 million for road and bridge improvements in the general vicinity of the project.
Over the 30-year life of the project, we're anticipating we're going to pay $25.5 million in property taxes.
You know, it's on a $400 million wind farm, and it's something that we feel certainly adds to the tax base of the county.
Also, in our development agreement, there's a $50,000 annual payment to El Paso County for ongoing costs related to the administration of these permits.
That is a, you know, we make it no matter what.
You don't have to show us receipts that show you actually spent $50,000.
All the objections that were brought forth, they just brushed aside.
And we always felt there was an ulterior motive why they were here.
But, you know, without a lot of money to dig into it and legal aid, there's no way you'll ever find out the truth.
The way they wrote the contract, they can turn around and walk away, and the county's stuck with Trying to get rid of these things.
We've also heard that the liquids that they use in these things pollute the ground and there's no way of getting rid of that too.
The ground's contaminated for years afterwards.
I don't think you're going to have a chance with Xterra.
I think they're going to take their money and run if they haven't already and then the county's stuck with the cleanup and you know they won't be able to do anything.
millie weaver
These things are already falling apart.
There's patchwork done all along the sides of these things and there's been numerous blades and repairs that have been having to be done on these wind turbines.
unidentified
I appreciate Infowars coming out and looking into this and hopefully they'll make The public more aware of what's going on and maybe there'll be some resolution and I hope it stops some of these wind farms from spreading to other parts of other communities that will affect the health of other people.
Thank you very much.
millie weaver
By the fact that this man just drove by and stopped.
I've never met him before and he came out saying that his wife and himself are experiencing health problems because of these wind turbines.
So they don't even attempt to complain.
They don't even attempt to try because they feel like the county doesn't represent them and the county Just completely disregards their opinion whatsoever and is just fully doing whatever this big billion dollar wind farm corporation tells them to do.
We did get a tip from this gentleman that the next era wind turbine office area where they have their controls and whatnot seems to be closed down.
So we're going to go drive by to see if that's the case because, I mean, the turbines are not operating, so it seems as though they have shut them down for now.
Now we do not know if they are in fact closed or not, but I don't see anybody here and they definitely are locked up.
Their gate is locked and the turbines are not running.
They are off and according to residents, they have been off for a couple days now and people are starting to wonder and speculate as to why they're off and if it has anything to do with the recent meeting with the county officials.
I'm here with Joe Cobb and his son.
They are both residents out here in Callahan, Colorado.
So, Joe, how's it been living amongst the wind turbines?
unidentified
Torturous.
Absolutely torturous.
It's just something that's just every day.
It's just berated and beat on every day.
You can't get away from it.
And now that they're down, we don't know what to think.
millie weaver
You guys do have livestock and animals.
How have your animals been?
I mean, I know you said that a lot of them have actually passed and you've had a lot of problems.
Can you tell us about that?
unidentified
Yeah, we've lost 16 animals in the past 18 months since they turned these things on.
We've had two blind ducks.
We've got another one that's going blind.
We've had deformities in baby goats, and we've had even a baby horse that was aborted at full term, and we don't have any explanation why.
But we've been doing it for 30 years, and we've never had these problems.
millie weaver
And what about you?
What type of symptoms and health problems do you experience from the wind turbines?
unidentified
It's been exhaustion is a good way to describe it.
You can sleep, sleep eight hours every night.
You wake up, you're just tired.
You stay tired.
It doesn't go away.
And mental clarity is a good way to describe it.
It's like you're in a fog.
millie weaver
I know that your mom has had health problems from it too.
What does she typically experience?
unidentified
It's been tiredness, headaches, It's just, it's been.
Mental exhaustion.
Yeah.
Just straight up mental exhaustion.
And she's been fighting this every day.
She's only been away from it for two weeks since they came on.
And you can just see it in her.
I mean, the get up and go has got up and left.
And she just fights it every day to take care of the animals and feed them and keep them going while she's watching them suffer and die as well.
So it's really been hard on her.
millie weaver
Do you think that the county commissioners are actually going to do something to turn these things off?
unidentified
Well, that's the only hope that we have at this point.
We've done our best to go before them and present our case, and we're hoping that at least they can give us a little bit of due credit.
They talk about being respectful of them.
They need to be respectful of us as well.
millie weaver
Do you think that's a little bit of a victory that Nextera had to admit that, even though they tried to then say that the infrasound wasn't going to cause health problems?
unidentified
Well, it was an absolute victory, because all the times before I've talked to Next Air, and I've talked to David Gill personally on the phone, and he told me Infrasound exists, but turbines don't produce it.
And so I was fully prepared at the meeting to give them proof that Infrasound does exist, but they came along prior to that and admitted to it.
So now we've just got to get the health aspect of it out there, and all we can do is send out the information to the Board of County Commissioners and hope for the best.
millie weaver
The wind turbine company only did admit that the wind turbines did create infrasound after residents out here, including myself, all kind of chipped in and paid for an acoustical engineer to put equipment out on Various properties out here to test for infrasound and it was once that acoustical engineer found the presence of infrasound and that data was given over to the county.
Only then did Nextera admit to the infrasound being present on non-participating landowners properties.
unidentified
Now I'm going to turn things over to Rich to discuss the technology studies.
My name is Rich Lampeter.
I'm an associate at Epsilon Associates, and I'm here this morning to talk about the 2016 Shadow Flicker and Sound Level Evaluations for the Golden West Wind Energy Center.
There are several requirements.
One is to conduct an actual sound level measurement study during operation of the wind energy facility under wind speed conditions identified as resulting in The study shall also propose mitigation measures to address any habitable structures that have been identified as experiencing higher than acceptable.
Acceptable is defined in the condition as 50 dBA.
To evaluate that 50 decibel limit, we're trying to capture worst-case conditions.
And what does that mean, and how do we do that?
Well, it doesn't mean that the winds are blowing at the maximum speed at the hub height.
It also doesn't mean we necessarily need maximum electrical output from the wind turbine.
Again, that's not necessary.
You humbug!
Yes, that's exactly so.
I'm humbug.
Oh, you're a very bad man!
Per request of neighbors in Cal-Anne, Colorado, I respectfully submit this review of the sound level compliance evaluation report.
I found errors and omissions.
Epsilon-amended noise impact assessment.
The Epsilon reports data confirm the presence of intrusive facility noise levels Exceeding the Colorado State Statute, Article 12, 45 dB, a noise limit for periodic noise.
Noise levels of 40 dB at night exceed World Health Organization thresholds of noise effects on people, and Epsilon has knowledge of this, as they have cited through 2009 in another non-wee turban case.
This assures sleep disturbance.
noise impact assessment was not found in the epsilon report epsilon omitted assessment of gold and less noisy impacts on children chronically ill and elderly even wind industry consultants have documented that noise levels over 45 40 to 45 ppa are associated with complaints such as sleep destroyers however the epsilon report was used i wanted to talk with jeff and sandy and ask them you know how have you guys been
millie weaver
since these wind turbines turned on What health problems have you experienced?
unidentified
For me it started with the generator alignment tests.
For some reason my heart reacted to two of the different tests in which the wind was blowing through the turbines.
I ended up going to the cardiologist and discovered that I had two different problems with my heart.
One which was traditionally a turbine related type Medical issue and one which was called a mitral valve prolapse, which was the painful one, discovered that these problems were probably brand new because they were in their infancy, so to speak, in the body.
millie weaver
Wow, and what about you, Jeff?
What health problems have you experienced?
unidentified
I guess it started with the migraine headaches, the dizziness.
I've also had lots of stomach problems and We had some issues with a dog dying that we autopsied and kind of freaked me out because all of his organs had swollen and his liver failed.
So I had my doctor check me out and found out that my liver had expanded too.
So at that point we decided we had to get out of here.
millie weaver
Have you heard of any heart attacks or any deaths or fatalities due to the wind farm as well as humans but also animals?
unidentified
After the generator alignments, they had the line activation, three days of line activation.
That culminates in the final transfer of 250 megawatts of power down the line to make sure it can handle the volume as quoted to.
And on that night, we had a cardiac death A cardiac event leading to death.
We had two farmers end up in the hospital with cardiac events, and I myself did not go to the hospital, but I thought I was going to die of a heart attack.
We have seen a lot of ocular problems out here.
We've had a woman and horses go blind.
Our cows show night blindness now, so do our donkeys.
For our miniature donkey, it's extreme, the night blindness.
And then when the turbines are blowing, they will go into day blindness, where I have to guide them to the food.
You cannot imagine how bizarre that is.
And up in the region, other people are experiencing that.
We experience that ocular pressure.
Then seizures.
Nextair likes to claim that these don't produce seizures.
They absolutely do, and it's not just the flicker.
The infrasound also induces seizures.
We have proof of it.
We have too many seizures out here.
It's become an epidemic of seizures.
I'm experiencing it.
Then another problem is we've actually had people who, it's not just nausea, we had a woman who had to have stomach surgery and they could not figure out why that happened.
And when I mentioned that the turbines cause nausea, he said, oh my gosh, I'm going to tell the doctor because we had no, the doctor had no idea, we had no idea how this happened.
millie weaver
What did you do, Sandy, before you decided to come out and live the rural life?
unidentified
I studied engineering, electrical engineering, specifically communications and I have a physics degree also so I worked for a mapping company after college and then I worked for two different power companies and then we decided to be closer to our family so we moved to Colorado and I went to work for the DoD.
millie weaver
What about you Jeff?
unidentified
Yeah, I went to school for IT, so I was a programmer, systems analyst type of person, until we got the farm out here and started doing the rural life.
millie weaver
Well, what would you say to some of the people out there that may be skeptical about wind turbines causing problems and infrasound being a problem, given that you guys both have some pretty good college education under your belt and you have a lot of experience in engineering, what would you say?
unidentified
I would say that anybody who thinks wind turbines aren't a problem come out and live for three months in a turbine infested house.
I would actually recommend a year of it for the true skeptics that have influence because what's going to happen is that you're going to know exactly what these rural people are going through And you'll have an upfront understanding of the bizarre nature of the wind turbine environment and the extreme degradation that happens in the body.
Since the turbines have turned on, we've had five dogs die unexpectedly, and we've had a steer.
And a baby bull died.
There's not really a good explanation of why that happened.
We don't have a lot of animals.
Basically, at least 50% of our animals have died in the last year and a half.
I guess I was a skeptic to begin with, too.
I thought they'd be a little noisy and we'd get used to it.
There's a lot of propaganda out there that's all pro wind farm.
It's like they think we're going to save the planet with these things and there's really not a whole lot good about them.
These turbines are off.
They've been off for three days.
Nobody's missing them.
Last night we were able to sleep in the house because the turbines are off and that's the first time in something like a year and a quarter.
It was wonderful.
millie weaver
So if they end up keeping these wind turbines off, are you guys planning on staying?
unidentified
Oh, yes.
We don't want to leave because we love the place, but I don't see really a choice, except, you know, maybe they'll stay off.
I mean, it was such a blessing to be off right now.
millie weaver
So, Rosie, how do you feel about the wind turbines being off?
unidentified
Are you happy?
Happy cow!
millie weaver
Yeah, she's a happy girl.
Look at her!
unidentified
She's happy.
millie weaver
On Tuesday, President Trump signed an executive order unwinding Obama's climate change policies, which has climate change believers in a panic.
Now, this comes after President Trump has already directed the EPA to start withdrawing and unwinding Obama's Clean Power Plan Act, which pretty much was Trying to dismantle coal plants and replace them with solar and wind.
So we're going to be joined here by Larry Mott, a former General Electric power plant engineer, to talk about these wind farms and their efficiency.
Thank you so much for joining us, Larry.
So, Larry, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and please explain to us how these wind farms aren't as efficient as these wind developers would want us to believe?
unidentified
Okay, just briefly about my background.
I started out as a nuclear power systems engineer with General Electric Company and was with them for five years and then after that started my own firm as a consultant in mechanical systems, mechanics, structures and also power systems including solar and a little bit of wind but more on the residential level as opposed to the industrial level.
And for the last 30 some years I've been essentially self-employed as a consulting engineer in Colorado but also with international practice extending to Europe and then to Japan and a number of other locations as well for clients.
millie weaver
So can you explain to us from a technical perspective how these wind farms aren't really that efficient?
Because I know you were saying something about that.
unidentified
The primary problem with wind farms in general, the industrial turbines, and for that matter, even the smaller turbines, is that the energy that's contained in the wind is essentially a very diffused source.
It's very widespread, very low energy per volume.
So in order to actually take any energy out of the wind, you have to have a very, very large system.
That's why these wind farms are so big.
And there's a limited efficiency that can be gained from the farms.
Essentially there's a physics formula, a mathematical formula, that indicates that there's a minimum or essentially a maximum amount of energy that can be derived from the wind.
From these airfoils, which is essentially, these blades are actually airfoils, not really a windmill in that sense.
So there's a number of factors that feed into this formula.
One of them, for example, is the air density in the mountains.
So these machines are approximately 23% less efficient at the elevation of Colorado, Calhan, where this wind farm is, than they would be at sea level.
When you take into consideration all of the inefficiencies, the nameplate rating, which is what is primarily used as propaganda.
In this case, the wind farm is supposedly a 250 megawatt farm.
The actual rating of these machines is about 0.7 megawatts.
So the rating on the field is not 250 megawatts, it's actually closer to 100 megawatts.
Then the biggest factor is what we refer to as the non-dispatchable nature of wind energy, which means that the wind is intermittent and Mother Nature controls it, not the engineers in a dispatch center.
So you cannot actually ask the wind farm to produce more energy if you need it.
So when you take into consideration that plus what's known as capacity factor, which is the amount of time that the wind actually blows at a rate that you can derive energy from, all these efficiencies applied to the 250 megawatt nameplate rating brings it to under 100 megawatts Wow, so if these wind turbines are so ineffective, then why do they exist?
millie weaver
I mean, what do they survive on?
And can you go into that for us?
unidentified
Real briefly, the only reason that the wind farms exist is that they're actually harvesting tax money, not wind energy.
There's a power production tax credit that provides 2.3 cents per kilowatt hour, $23 per megawatt hour of taxpayer money to the people who actually start the wind farms and operate them.
So they actually make more money on the Tax transfer from working Americans to the owners of the wind farm than they do from the wind energy themselves.
And to put it very briefly, Millie, if it was not for the power production tax credit, there would be no wind farms in America.
millie weaver
Wow, and I know you spoke with me a little bit about some corruption that you experienced out when you were out there trying to fight the El Paso County wind farm.
Can you tell us about that?
unidentified
That's a pretty long story, but I'll try to be as brief as I can.
About the year 2006 or so, an organization called Clipper was promoting the wind farm in that particular area.
They were unable to put it together primarily because the zoning would not have allowed it.
So, an organization came forward called Multi, it was run by a fellow named Matt Cumberworth and David Hazel, and what they did is they actually packaged it up and they were able to arrange for a overlay, a zoning overlay that essentially allowed the county to put in these enormous towers, which would have normally violated the zoning laws.
So that's when I first noticed, and we went after it based on technical matters, But that turned out to not be very effective because the technical aspects which we just discussed, for example, the lack of efficiency, is not really a major consideration.
The major consideration is the flow of tax money.
So NextEra was instrumental in the initial hearing, though they were not the owners yet.
The owner was Cumberworth and his organization.
They were sitting in the room, however, and the idea was that they would run a power line into Falcon underground so that the Falcon people would not be opposed to the wind farm.
That's what the first hearing involved, and they essentially were able to limit all the opposition to just folks that were living in the wind farm All the Falcon opposition essentially dropped out.
But they were not able to afford to do the buried power line, Millie, so they had to get a change.
So NextEra essentially assumed that there would be a change to an elevated power line.
And in order to get that pushed through, they essentially made a payment to the county of $1.63 million prior to the hearing in 2015. They arranged for an elevated power line through a circuitous route through Falcon, not down Highway 24 and not underground.
They weren't able to afford an underground power line, and they did not want to run it down 24 past all the residents of Falcon.
So that hearing happened in 2015, and that one was essentially a unanimous decision in favor of NextEra.
With threats from NextEra to sue the county if that hearing had gone against them.
The Planning Commission hearing prior to the Board of County Commissioners hearing actually denied the change in the design and would have therefore essentially killed the project.
millie weaver
So why did the County Commissioners approve the project if the Planning Department denied it?
unidentified
The Planning Department had its hearing about a month prior to the County Commissioners, Millie, and the evidence that was presented at the Planning Commission was actually quite devastating to next era.
They actually were caught trying to manipulate and threaten members of the public The Planning Commission members actually took that into consideration and they denied it six to three.
Unfortunately, the Planning Commission does not have A power that's binding, let's say.
All they can do is recommend.
So they recommended that the project be denied, the change in the project be denied.
And I should point out that had the change been denied, in other words, the change to an elevated power line through a circuitous route to the Falcon, had that been changed, the project would have been killed.
millie weaver
Wow.
Well, thank you so much, Larry.
You know, but we are running out of time.
This just goes to show how, you know, there's a lot of money in these government subsidies that funnels into these wind farms and they have a lot of power and they can use that money to influence.
I'm here with Lord Christopher Monckton.
What is your opinion on the wind turbines and what do you know about some of the fraud that they are perpetuating with these wind turbines and the tax subsidies?
lord christopher monckton
Right.
First of all, wind turbines are an extremely expensive way of generating electricity.
Per megawatt-hour generated, they are five times as expensive as coal-fired power, if you include the subsidies that are paid to keep them going.
But that's before you take into any account of the environmental cost of these turbines.
Several major bird species are being wiped out and made extinct worldwide by these windmills, some of which are 600 feet high, And have blades 300 feet across.
I mean, very, very seriously big.
They are a fraud.
They generate intermittent electricity, costly electricity, and environmentally damaging electricity.
And because of the prodigious amounts of concrete that has to be made by burning of lime to make the base of these turbines, to stop them falling over in a high wind, they actually emit more CO2 to the atmosphere than they will ever save with the electricity they generate in their entire lifetime, which turns out to be, on average, not more than about ten years.
So they are a disaster that has found somewhere to happen, because crony capitalists have cosied up to governments.
There is no scientific base for them because we now know there's no problem with CO2. And even if there was a problem with CO2, by having windmills, you're actually adding to that problem because the net CO2 emissions from windmills because of the construction, the delivery, the transmission lines, and above all, the making of concrete for the bases exceeds any CO2 that would be saved by their operation.
So, in every way, windmills are an entirely useless solution.
They break down and require maintenance at a much higher rate than had at first been suspected, though I did, in fact, warn them that that would be the case.
And so they are a thoroughly bad idea.
And ought, in my view, to be banned.
They kill, in particular, the large game birds, which swoop from a great height on their prey that they see below.
And, of course, often they see other birds dead at the foot of these turbines.
And what the operators of these turbines now do is they have people at each major turbine site who are on site every day going around picking up the dead birds and taking them away in the hope that nobody will see what's going on.
But in Scotland recently, we had a very rare bird that came over and flew across the highlands of Scotland, and all the twitchers, the bird watchers, came out with their binoculars and they followed it wherever it went, and they were radioing through to each other, and they followed it across Scotland until eventually it flew into a 600-foot turbine.
It was batted out of the sky because it couldn't work out how fast the tips of these blades were travelling, and it was killed.
And it was a very rare bird, and this is happening more and more.
Bats are also killed by the turbine, and they're killed by the million, because if they go anywhere near them, the very delicate lung structures of the bat will simply implode.
And the bat will die instantly, even without actually striking the turpise.
So it's economically disastrous.
Golden eagles are being wiped out worldwide.
The osprey, which is just clinging on by its toenails in Scotland.
And Scotland, now in 60 or 70% of the Scottish landmass.
You can see these damn things.
The Scottish landscape, which was one of the most beautiful, wild, unspoilt landscapes in the whole of the world, has been destroyed by this monstrous industrialization with these 600-foot high miles.
millie weaver
That's right, and Donald Trump had a golf course in Scotland that was even impacted by wind turbines, and he has been vocal about, you know, his opinion on wind turbines and that they are a big waste, just as what you were saying as far as the tax subsidies.
lord christopher monckton
He came and took a large area of sand dunes on the east coast of Scotland and turned it into a magnificent golf resort.
And then along came the developers and said, we want to put wind farms in.
And this, of course, destroys the fragile environment, and, of course, it destroys the bird life, and, above all, for a golf course, you want a nice view.
And if you're looking at these rusting turbines, half of which aren't even working most of the time, it's really a tragedy.
And he was quite right to be very angry that, having put a lot of money into this resort, he then finds it spoilt by these crazed environmentalists in the so-called Scottish, so-called national, so-called party, who are really a sort of new version of the Communist Party.
who have gone around putting these windmills all over Scotland because they hate the landowners who own Scotland and they want to do exactly the kind of damage to them that they've done to Trump.
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