Alex Jones and Texe Marrs allege elites engineer artificial scarcity to enforce neo-feudalism, citing the Club of Rome and Rockefeller-funded environmental groups. They claim Debra Palfrey was murdered by operatives like Cheney and McCain to suppress truth about oil abundance and voting irregularities. Michael Hoffman joins to argue the Talmud promotes racial war against Gentiles, while "Twilight Language" subliminally controls minds. The hosts predict a New Age extermination of 80% of humanity but urge spiritual renewal and non-carnal protest to defeat this globalist conspiracy through collective action. [Automatically generated summary]
We're going to be covering a host of issues this hour, a little bit into the next hour, with Tex Mars and Michael Hoffman, historian, former AP writer, who's going to be with us for two hours.
We're going to go into overdrive today with Mr. Hoffman, because I'm going to have Tex a little bit into the next hour, and then I'm going to spend a few minutes with the latest developments on the Deborah Jean Palfrey case.
But Tex Mars is here to talk about a host of issues, multi-time New York Times best-selling author, Air Force officer, Of course, space and aeronautics professor.
He married my wife and I. And Wanda, his wife, is such a sweetheart and good family friends.
Time flies, though.
We used to have dinner every once in a while.
Now we're so busy, we hardly ever see each other.
We've got to make time to do that, but I really appreciate Tex Mars coming in the studio.
Well, Tex, let me just, I mean, please don't make it about me.
I'm just an average person who's upset about what's happening, and I'm pretty obnoxious, but I've gotten a little bit better over time.
But I have to add, You know, I learned more from Tex Mars than anybody else.
I remember seeing people air your documentaries, your presentations, in like 1992-93 on Axis Television when you were just exposing the Clintons and the New World Order, and just starting to write books about that subject.
And then Oklahoma City happened, and I saw you talking about that in 95, and that's right when I got on air.
And of course, think how many people You've also woken up other than me, and think of all the other people I've woken up and all our listeners have woken up.
That's what's so beautiful about this, but as you said, evil...
Katie Bar The Door realizes we're breaking in on them, so they're throwing everything they've got right now.
They do whatever the establishment says, if they've been domesticated, so they can quote, get that standard back.
What they don't know is, this is the same elite that has engineered all this.
And what you're saying, Tex, and I want to see you flesh this out because you wrote a book about it years ago.
It's what the United Nations said they do in the sixties in the Club of Rome, and now they've just republished, the head of the CFR, Richard Inhofe's quote, I've been reading a lot on air, I'm sure you've seen it, where he says, we're going to have a twin rail, this is in 93, he said we're going to have terrorism, which we threaten them with to give up their rights, but then we're also going to have the global carbon tax in the name of saving the earth to regulate and bring in neo-feudalism, and he said, this is a quote, This makes humanity the enemy, and then we can direct the state against the enemy.
And then they can also blame Alaska and point at a few hippies they finance as NGOs, when we've had all the oil company executives on more oil than Saudi Arabia, and the government isn't going to let it out of the ground.
Oh, but hippies are stopping them from getting it.
And we got the old company documents in 2001, Associated Press did, where they said in 95, in a consortium meeting, the Big Ten, they said, Exxon, Mobil, all of them, before they merged, they said, we're going to buy up these 214 refineries and shut them down to create an artificial bottleneck.
And back in the 70s, you know, when we had the first big energy crisis with Nixon in office, and there were lines at the gas pump, the service stations, miles long.
My brother was just shocked about this, because remember he was with Sun Oil, he was able to see the figures of what their inventories were.
He says, the United States is brimming with oil.
There's no cutoff from the Middle East, brimming with oil.
And the tankers continued to come in, but it wasn't being refined, because they had decided it's time to drive up the price.
Now we know that Kissinger agreed with the Shah of Iran and others to allow the price of oil to escalate.
Even at this time, thirty years ago, my brother told me something interesting.
He said the oil fields, the oil wells that we first drilled and thought we'd brought all the oil out of the ground from, And then we capped them, you know, they put all the concrete and closed them back up.
We're going, it's Sun Oil, I'm sure this is true of every oil company, we're going back now 20-30 years later, uncapping them, and guess what?
But 1906, and it was just in the news the other day, they came back and they admitted the family owns the company, and they're about to fire Rex Tillerson because he won't go along with global warming.
Well, of course, global warming is another scam that they have.
Now, back to this fossil fuel, so-called.
You know, the very idea of it.
Hey, oil is dead dinosaurs that have decomposed in the earth.
That's our oil.
When you run out of dead dinosaurs, you run out of oil.
That's the claim.
It's so silly, people don't really think about it.
Here's where this came up.
Around the Los Angeles area, they had the oil tar pits.
And of course, being gooey and sticky, there were a certain number of animals, even back in prehistoric times, that got into the oil tar pit and guess what?
They couldn't get out and they died there.
They found their remains.
This caused many people to say, hey, that must be where the oil came from.
Well, my take on this is, frankly, that there were names.
You remember that the court ordered those names to be sealed.
But here's a gal who once went on to prison, and I'm sure her lawyer says shut up now, but once she did her little prison term of six months or nine months or whatever, she was denuded of her money, right?
I mean, I thought about him killing her for the book she was planning to do, which was admitted, but I didn't think of the fact that that's even more of a reason not to commit suicide.
Well, then on top of it, we also have, how this all started, the Brittany Britton, which was this, getting her PhD, but she was also already a professor, and she magically hangs herself when she was facing six months in jail for a prostitution bust, but she shot her mouth off.
She said, this is hypocritical.
She said, I'm going to name names, boom, hangs herself, and then that's when they go bust her to bring her into the system and discredit her, her boss Palfrey.
Yeah, they came out with Now, what, 150 years ago when they first discovered oil and were looking at coal, there is some small deposits where you find the imprints of ferns.
There's very small amounts of coal that they found in association.
As you said, they found tar pits in Africa, the U.S. I've seen the history.
And they said, oh, the juice from these animals made this.
Of course, now they admit that La Brea tar pits was them getting caught up in it.
Again, a key point here for everybody to understand to totally back up what you're saying, Tex.
I remember not just reading Club of Rome documents and all of this, because they go back 40 years, 30 years before they had met all of this.
I remember on NPR and on PBS shows and Charlie Rose, they would say, the New World Order will be built on shortage.
You know, when you have Kissinger on.
We've built on oil, water, timber, everything.
And of course they get to tax us now on what humans put off, carbon dioxide, saying it's a deadly poison, when it's one of the four, you know, life-giving building blocks, water, sun, carbon dioxide, oxygen.
On this planet.
But I've heard them on NPR go, Americans are soon going to have our standard of living taken.
Now, the interesting thing about Maurice Strong, for example, and I talk about him quite a bit in my book, Circle of Intrigue, the hidden inner circle of the global Illuminati conspiracy.
Strong was the head, at the time, when he bought up these water rights here in the United States, head of the United Nations Environmental Program.
Then he went back up to Canada and he bought into Hydro Canada.
Now he owns most of the water rights of the Canadian people.
Now, the reason why they did this, why they bought up all these water rights, all these aquifers very slowly, very quietly over the last two decades, they are now going to drive up the price of water to unbelievable levels.
It's going to be such a precious resource.
And they're going to watch every little drop.
Forget about your lawns.
Forget about your home gardens.
And people who live out in the country that have their own wells, they're going to have to put meters on them.
We're going to come back and talk about that with Tex Mars.
And then during this break, for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers or for InfoWars.com internet stream listeners, we're going to go ahead and switch over to that stream right now, folks.
You'll be able to hear me and Tex at the InfoWars stream and continue this discussion to all our MNF affiliates.
We'll be right back in three minutes for all of you that are out there.
Okay, Tex, we've got three minutes here, and I want to get more into Palfrey and what's happening.
We're having two discussions here, parallel, called the Schizophrenic Radio Show.
But a lot of people are pointing out that this was the High Holy Day, May 1st, yesterday, and that murders always go up then, kidnappings go up in the week before.
And that they always kill D.C.
Pages, and they always have weird murders and weird things that happen on that day, and they like to wait until that day.
The ancient pagans, okay, which all this is based on, this Illuminism is based on, worshipped on May Day.
They had their great orgies to Bacchus and Dionysius.
Now, these May Day celebrations, all right, May the 1st, you'll recall that Adam Weishaupt, who founded the Order of the Illuminati, founded it on May 1, 1776.
May 1.
The Communist Revolution, Lenin and Trotsky, they took over the Soviet Union in November But when did they have their big celebrations annually with all of the tanks and the rockets going down Red Square there in Moscow?
You can have Communists, you can have Google, you can have Republicans, you can have... They all celebrate May Day, and the dumbed-down public doesn't know this is the highest holy day.
During the break, we're talking about why did they kill Paul III on May Day, the high, holy occult day.
And then it got into environmentalism and how they believe it's earth worship, sun worship.
And then now we see that topic, because it's all interconnected, nexusing with how they want to control the resources through feudalism because they, quote, worship the earth.
But then they're the ones actually destroying the earth because they believe in this yin and yang, the Illuminati Code, that they destroy and they rebuild.
But in their own stated documents, it's official.
They say that they're going to take the water, the food, the land, the oil, jack up the prices to bring you all back to a feudal level so you can't afford to have children.
And as I told you they would do, they've now proposed one-child taxes in the U.S.
as it started in China and then seven years later it started in the mid-70s and then in the early 80s became mandatory.
They signed IMF World Bank deals.
They signed on a State Department Memorandum 200.
This is all coming.
You think it's bad now with a cop on every corner?
New environmental regulations, animal ID, premise society, thousands of dollars in fines for tiny things, total control.
They're flattening tires, burning down buildings now, the fake environmentalists.
And she said, and I want to quote her, food is power.
Food is power.
The head of the United Nations Food Program, with this gigantic building, they probably employ three or four thousand bureaucrats in this one building in Brussels, Belgium, for food.
And remember also, the United Nations last year had an international water conference.
They're warning people.
There are going to be wars between nations over water.
Already we're seeing food riots.
Everything is taking place so that they can program our minds.
This is alchemical attacks, alchemical magic attacks on the brain.
Well, isn't it interesting that Ted Turner, who, you know, the guy that once called Christians losers and bozos, Ted Turner, who's been favored by the Illuminati rich all his life, he says, we must all have no more than one child.
Once the basic needs are met, people look for higher, abstract things.
Self-actualization.
That's the hierarchy of needs.
And people then say, wow, we want liberty, we want freedom.
But they're willing to give up their liberty and freedom if they need to eat, if they're thirsty, if they're worried about how they're going to afford a home for their family because of the oil prices going up and smashing the economy.
What we need to do Is show that these are lies.
There is no age of scarcity.
The world is awash in petroleum.
It's a cornucopia.
And I want to prove that.
I've got just some news items.
If we just do basic research, we're going to find there's oil coming out of the world's ears.
I have family, I don't myself, that has some nice oil in Texas, in East Texas.
You know, they don't like all the lies, even though it's making them make more money.
I mean, I'm telling you as somebody whose family's worked as a petroleum geologist, worked in oil companies, worked as plant heads, worked as roughnecks, the whole leasehounds, you know, we're Texans.
Are your families in it?
I'm in it.
And, you know, in East Texas, where my family's from, almost everybody's got an oil well.
Here's the thing about Al Gore we have to understand.
Remember what we said, that the oil companies Funded, founded, and sponsor the environmental organizations so that the environmental organizations can create the pretext of scarcity.
We would love to build new refineries, but we can't because of the environmentalists.
We would love to go into the ocean, the offshore areas off of California and Oregon and over on the Atlantic side, but the environmentalists won't let us.
And then Schumer gets on TV and says, We would have a one cent decrease in twenty years when I've had the executives on who were there and they admit that on one north shore there's almost as much as there is in Saudi Arabia.
There's more in the whole area and it's almost sweet crude shooting out and they could put in five new pipelines in a year.
I remember that when his dad died, and in seeing press reports years ago, the former Senator Gore, that Al Gore now owned the controlling stock in Occidental.
So he's an oil man, just like Bush with Harken Oil and the others.
He's an oil man.
Cheney with Halliburton Oil Servicing Company.
We have oil men.
Al Gore is an oil man.
He was brought up in oil.
His father was a paid shill for Occidental Petroleum, which was owned, by the way, by a, and this is really an oxymoron, a communist capitalist, Armand Hammer, that every year ran back and forth to visit with the... But as Carol Quigley said... Pope Fubas of communist Russia... They want monopolies to deal with, so they help put the communists in.
Well, Al Gore now is going to become a billionaire.
He recently became one of the principals of a corporation worth $683 million, I believe.
But remember, the important thing is they must create this scarcity that they're lying about.
And the only way they can create it is by bottling up all the world's oil, all the world's water, all the world's resources, including the food.
That's why the agribusiness corporations Willie Nelson has done a great thing to help the little farmers, but they only are producing a small percentage of the food.
They can, for example, claim, because remember now, they're the agribusiness corporations, they can claim there's a blight on wheat, and the wheat supply is ruined.
They can claim that the winter frost killed the coffee down in South America.
They can also blame it, and I've actually looked at these numbers now, they can also blame it on the ethanol, when that's a tiny fraction of it, which the Saudis want shut down.
But wait, they could, you know, bring those around, pull them around, and you would have billions, trillions of barrels of water.
But wait!
Then you could get through the permafrost, which wouldn't exist anymore.
And all of the oil in the Arctic, can you imagine we would really be awash in oil?
Let's have global warming!
But listen, there is, unfortunately, unfortunately, there is no global warming, because as you know, you well know, you're a researcher, the world's four top weather tracking organizations now say we are going into a global cooling period.
They have now said, five years ago, we're going to have the spy satellites watch farmers, make sure you're not planting trees in environmental areas, make sure you're not cutting down things.
They're now saying they want to cut down trees, because they also put out carbon dioxide.
Well, you know, around Chicago, Illinois, when the old horse Greeley is saying, go west, young man, go west, well, many people moved to Illinois in the United States and settled around there.
At that time, they didn't have any trees.
They brought trees from the east, they planted them.
And then, of course, the seeds went through there.
Yeah, there's more trees in America than there were a hundred years ago.
It's more green than it was.
Interestingly enough, though, environmental organizations in Illinois are now demanding, they have actually counted, they say, the trees in suburban Illinois, Chicago.
They say there are 80,000 trees, and they're demanding those trees be cut down.
They want to cut down all the 80,000 trees.
Why?
They say, well, originally, Illinois was a plain state, and it had all these grasses.
Listen, they make you do asinine things because they know psychologically, you know, as a psychology professor, you know, if they can make you do something stupid, they can make you do anything else they want.
Yes, now, if it's true that Illinois once was grassland, and they want to cut down all the trees and return it to grassland, but at one time was not Illinois Ice covered?
Well, of course, all of these things are a means of mind control, of causing radical transformation in society, just like this new reality, this age of scarcity.
Now, what I would really like is to give some evidence of how we are awash in petroleum, Alex.
People need to have the tools and the ammunition to use.
Well, we have you, we have everybody that talks about all these subjects, and then other talk show hosts that are jealous, Tex, and that's sad because we need everybody to win.
They all freak out and claim I censor all subjects when I cover everything forever.
But again, people always want to say, I'm the best, I'll cover all the special things, but that's not true.
We cover the entire spectrum, that's why we've been successful, whereas most people limit in the tiny little areas.
Well, I really want people to get this book, Days of Hunger, Days of Chaos.
They'll find out how these chemical corporations now control our seeds.
You know, they've managed to make crops.
The seeds destroy themselves through science in one year.
Each year, the seeds are destroyed, and farmers have to go back and buy the seeds from these huge corporations.
At the same time, I want people to understand, we're going to end up, and by the way, you know, I'm a Christian, and even Bible prophecy Says one of the four riders, you know, the horses and the riders of the apocalypse, one of them brings famine and pestilence and death.
The pale horse rider and the black horse rider.
So this is even a prophetic thing that there'll be great hunger.
Now here's the horror of this.
It's a contrived, it's a false hunger.
There will be warehouses full of food, but people will be starving.
You remember back in the 1930s, depression.
I had many older people who told me that they would see the milk trucks, you know, almost like the refrigerated milk trucks and such, and they would be throwing milk out.
We're going to keep Tex a little bit in the next hour.
He's been great enough to do that.
TexMarsch.com will give you all the contact info.
Now he'll get his free newsletter and a lot more in a few minutes.
But before we do that, I want to be clear here.
Using the satellites, having local police dial into them, spying on you, micromanaging, that federalizes the locals, violates your Fourth Amendment, You think you're under control and surveillance now.
It's all going to be done under the guise of saving the earth.
Meanwhile, they're doing the genetic engineering and everything that really is hurting the earth.
So we have all of that going on.
And meanwhile, you read the Monsanto documents and they say, you know, we're going to contaminate everything, then claim ownership of the world.
This is systematic wrecking of economy, systematic destruction, artificial scarcity.
Text Mars, please continue with all the points you were going to make about that.
About the depression, how they had the milk trucks, how they really had plenty, how they cut down on the credit, artificially did it.
Well, it's important to understand that these are contrived chaos events.
Contrived chaos.
Remember the elitist motto, even 33rd degree Freemasonry, is Ordo Ab Chaos.
Order out of chaos.
They create the chaos, and now they're doing it with oil and the economy.
They're doing it with food.
And they're doing it with water.
Not to even mention the contrived terrorism that we have today.
That is the umbrella for all this.
What I want people to know, though, is we can fight back.
We can fight back.
How do we do it?
When they say that we're moving into an age of scarcity, and all of our lives have to change, and we have to become a third world impoverished nation, and we just have to suck it up, that's just too bad.
And we have to put up with $4, even $10 at the gas pump for a gallon of gasoline.
Well, yeah, there's a solution that they come up with, of course.
Just like in the food area.
I understand that Barack Obama introduced, as a senator, introduced legislation that would tax the American people one and a half percent of their income.
The money would go, again this is a new tax levied against us, the money then, the billions that they plunder from the people, would go to the United Nations to feed the hungry of the world.
And then that means Just like Bill Gates gives 80 plus billion to Warren Buffett, you hear it's to help Africans, it's to sterilize them, give them HIV, they've been caught, force them to eat GMO food, force Big Agra in.
John McCain, on the other hand, to show that we're not knocking any one political candidate, John McCain, on the other hand, said, hey, listen, for this summer only, Let's, you know, knock off the tax for the gasoline.
That'll save everybody, what, you know, $30 a month.
Isn't that great?
But he doesn't see any problem at all with gasoline tripling in price.
He probably would not see one problem with gasoline going to $10 a gallon and the oil companies enriching themselves.
Well, when we come back, but even now, I would like to talk about the fact That as we are being told that we have a terrific supply problem with oil, and we're running out of oil.
And here's a Yahoo Finance news item.
It says, oil futures jump to record over $115 on supply concerns.
That's what Americans are being told, Alex.
But wait!
Here, and this is what people don't understand.
Some of the world's press doesn't lie as much as Americans do.
For example, here's in The Times in London.
What does it say?
What does the Times newspaper say?
Now this is just as mighty a newspaper as our New York Times and Los Angeles newspaper and Chicago Tribune.
It says, world not running out of oil, say experts.
Hey, has George Bush told us about this?
Has McCain, Obama, Hillary?
Have they told us that according to the London Times Newspaper, the world is not running out of oil?
Here I have from Yahoo, one of the major American news sources, This claim, it says all futures jump to record over $115 a barrel on supply concerns.
In other words, we're running low, we don't have enough.
But wait!
Wait!
You know, the foreign press doesn't seem to want to lie as much as the American press.
Maybe it's not as controlled.
Here's the Times of London.
Now, just as mighty a newspaper, as I was mentioning, as the New York Times or the Chicago Tribune or the Houston Chronicle, what does it say?
World not running out of oil, say experts.
And it begins, says, doom-laden forecast that world oil supplies are poised to fall off the edge of the cliff are wide off the mark according to leading oil industry experts.
Well, it's like diamonds are really on the mid-scale or lower scale of even semi-precious.
They're not even highly semi-precious.
I mean, in Africa, they just lay around on the ground, but people fight, you know, mortgage their house, work a year to pay for a big rock for their wife, because that's the symbol, and literally they have giant warehouses just filled with diamonds.
It says Petrolio Brasilia, that's Petrobras, offshore, Carioca, The oil field may hold 33 million barrels of oil, enough to supply every refinery in the United States for six years, making it the third largest oil field ever discovered.
has just published its official results of a groundbreaking study.
Up in North Dakota, who would have believed it?
South of North Dakota and Montana, they have found a store of oil that could last America, could take care of all of our oil needs for a thousand years in South of North Dakota!
Final segment with Tex Mars and Michael Hoffman coming up.
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We played some clips from Fox where they're saying it's suspicious.
I mean, this is getting ridiculous when the prostitute under her, who was a college professor, going to get like an extra PhD at the time, was facing six months in jail and hung herself.
Saying she was going to shoot her mouth off, and then now she's telling everybody, you know, if they kill me, you know, I was killed, I'm not going to kill myself.
Then they have this government spook type come out, who makes up all this stuff and has a history of it, saying, oh, she just called me and said she was going to kill herself.
Well, there was a high-level CIA operative who did things with the police chief and CIA director and was all over TV and headed up one of the regional intelligence agent groups, clubs.
And the cops reportedly started chasing him.
He ran, and then he stops.
Well, first they said he ran.
He didn't run.
He gets out of the car nicely, and they blast him.
So it turns out the first story was a lie.
And it's on video.
The cop just walks up.
The guy's there, and the cop's shooting.
And of course, we know they have hit men on the police forces in every major city, especially Houston.
That's one of the worst.
I mean, now there's a lot of weird stuff going on.
And this local Palestinian had his railings with machine guns running around in his yard, the neighbors said, and he was an activist, peaceful activist, he was a school teacher, and then they tortured him to death, and duct tape all over his body, threw it in the river, and the APD first said, oh yeah, he was murdered.
I talked to people at TV stations that heard the scanners, and the police said that too, that yeah, we thought he was murdered.
And then, no, the higher ups said, no, no, no, this is quite normal to be all tied up and sliced up.
But I mean, I made the joke last week and a month ago, I said they're going to start killing us on TV with them shooting us and say it's suicide, and now they're basically doing that in Houston!
One of the things that happens here is this does create fear.
If they can kill this Palfrey girl, who's had all this visibility, who might they kill?
I mean, if the little people of the world have no chance at all, if they could kill an Alex Jones or a Tex Morris or a Deborah Palfrey, this is the fear.
I think they may even enjoy the fact that a person like Palfrey can say, I would never kill myself, and the next thing you know, they're claiming she committed suicide.
So, I think this is another way of creating this psychological alchemy of fear in the population.
And here again we go back to this energy situation, to the food situation, to the water situation.
What Americans need to do, what listeners need to do that are hearing us today, We need to go to the sources of truth, and we need to discover the fact that the world has plenty of oil, plenty of food, plenty of water, and we can get much more through increased technology which we have.
Right now, with the new drilling technology, let me tell you, we can go to the middle of the Atlantic and go down thousands of feet and bring up all the oil that we would ever need for 10,000 years.
And so we need to say, you're lying to us.
Just like with 9-11, we need to prove these people That they're nothing but a bunch of inveterate liars.
By the way, I've seen a bunch of studies, and they go, those are oil company studies.
No, no, these are studies separate, you know, just studying plants.
Plants will like as much as 14 times higher carbon dioxide.
They use less water, live longer, are healthier, and they're now doing studies showing desertification is in periods with low carbon dioxide, and they're reporting, from my scores going back millions of years, but the really reliable ones, 200,000, this is the lowest level of carbon dioxide ever.
And they're saying it is massively associated with desertification.
And sure enough, because it did spike the last few decades, now it's going to start going back down, suddenly there was more of a greening.
The plants need it.
And then they create more oxygen, which they've now shown that mammals like higher levels.
Well, of course, nature will take care of that on its own, without man-made solutions.
Let's go back to this oil.
I mentioned the Bakken oil formation in North and South Dakota, but there's a bigger one.
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All right, we're going to have Michael Hoffman on we're going to have Michael Hoffman on with us for the next two hours.
He's been gracious enough to move back 20 minutes.
This is the Paltry Murder.
He'll be with us 20 minutes into overdrive.
I want to take our time here today and attempt to not throw in my points and added things and back up what he's saying, but really riveting, important information to understand the world we live in and how the nature of reality has been hidden from us in false...
Images and false maps have been downloaded into our minds.
He is an alternative historian, award-winning, a former AP writer based in New York.
He's written some books that have been best-sellers, very well-received.
And we're going to break down a whole host of issues, the cornucopia.
I want to start at the beginning today and go back to the roots of this, go through it all with our guest today.
Thank you for coming on with us, Mr. Hoffman.
Thank you Alex.
This is a short segment, we'll come back in a long one, but just begin wherever you like, whatever you think is most important.
If you were talking to a new audience, which most of my listeners are for you, and trying to explain it to an informed population, but also people that may not have a full understanding.
Well, you know, I see that when we're trying to find a way of ameliorating the cancer plague And one of the ways that the system keeps us from doing that is they plant the idea that everything causes cancer, so why bother?
When we're dealing with the assassination of President Kennedy and we're trying to bring the criminal masterminds who were behind that to justice, one of the ways they obstruct us is they plant the idea that everybody killed Kennedy.
It was the communists, it was the anti-communists, it was the CIA, it was the KGB.
So when we have these agents of confusion sowing this, some of it is honest confusion of course, not everyone is an agent, but when the agents of disinformation or confusion are out there, we can't begin to proceed from first principles.
And I find so many people are in difficulty because they're not proceeding from first principles.
Or let me just say before we go into this, or there are people deliberately putting out this info.
Like, some of the Catholics run it all crowd.
They demand that I have on their grand poobah.
But I've researched what he says.
It's just made up.
He believes that Rosicrucians use magic to drop A-bombs.
He believes the earth is on a string and that the universe orbits it.
I mean, these people, some of them are so kooky, but they demand that you agree with them, and so I just want to be clear that I don't agree with a lot of the groups that are out there saying this group or that group runs it all.
Right, because one of the things I noticed in the ad is they said they associated, they created a proprietary relationship between church and state and the papacy.
And actually, the United States of America was formed in revolt against an Anglican church in this state, which had united in Great Britain... Well, let's be clear.
Well, and so, I mean, just very briefly, the Anglicans were operating a union between church and state, and one of the reasons I know that is when I was researching the biography of the first Roman Catholic Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Roger B. Taney, And he talked about when he was a child, he was banned from going to Catholic school.
He was born just slightly before the onset of the American Revolution.
And once the American Revolution was a success, almost immediately, his parents were allowed to send him to the school of his choice.
So, it's just one example of the anomalies of history, and either we're accurate... Stay there!
Well, I would like to cover my main thesis right now.
I'm just finishing up.
I'm indexing a nearly 1,000 page book on Judaism called Judaism Discovered.
And so obviously that would be the source and focus of what I want to talk about today, although I realize I've written other books and I know you're interested in the epistemology of the cryptocracy as I've elucidated it in my book, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare.
That's the system they use, and my only point is that school of thought is used by others, though you could argue they're the masters in the primitive group, the strand that binds it all.
And so I'd like to hear your view and your research on that.
With two hours, then let's just get into the Judaism first for an hour, and then let's do an hour on all of their different methods and sorceries.
Right, and the other thing I'd like to say to you, Alex, is feel free to challenge me If you think that there's something I'm saying that's erroneous, I find that it makes for a much more interesting conversation.
I'm going to have to physically restrain myself not to add points and jump in.
But I have to tell you, sir, I researched the stuff you're putting out, the information you're putting out.
And I think on the whole it's accurate only because I'm somewhat of a history buff in my own right.
It's so wide and deep that we're all novices really, but I've just found so much of what I've read you've written that I already discovered separately in multiple other texts that weren't even political in nature.
So I have to agree with your overall view and analysis.
I may disagree in the approach to the public, and also I believe that the globalists are also controlling much of the anti-Judaism movement and putting it out in a way that actually only empowers some of the more dangerous varieties there.
And of course you know the old European tool of using some of the Zionists as their fronts, before it was known as Zionist, going back a thousand years ago.
So I believe it's kind of a hybrid amalgamation.
But listen, you've got the floor, we're going live right now.
Every move the New World Order makes, every breath they take, we'll be there.
Covering every subject, every issue, going to the Veritas.
Trying to find the truth.
Trying to question the box within a box that we all live in.
Alright, Michael Hoffman is our guest.
Michael, before we go any further, tell us in a nutshell a little bit about yourself, your awakening for a minute or two, your website, your books, and then we're going to go for two hours pretty much straight here with only a few breaks.
The website is www.revisionisthistory.org and we're located in North Idaho, PO Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, 83816.
I was fortunate enough to have been born to a revisionist historian grandfather.
He was a lay historian.
He wasn't a professional, but he had a great deal of skepticism about the mainline story of history.
So I was basically sitting on his knee from a young age, hearing him talking about things like, for example, that Joseph P. Kennedy had stolen The election in 1960 for his son through the Chicago Mafia and I was hearing this practically as a toddler so I suppose I've been predestined for this line of inquiry for being a skeptic for always questioning and doubting and as John Milton said
In the 17th century, give me the right to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience above all other liberties, and that's what I've tried to live and what I've tried to extend to others, Alex.
It's become a thought crime to say that CO2 is a deadly poison.
to say that sodium chloride isn't deadly poison.
It has become a thought crime to even question official stories, official history, but questioning Debra Jean Palfrey's clear murder, when we now have another eerie flashback.
D.C.
Madam said, I'll never want my life to end in suicide.
She not only said that here on this show, in May 2007 for an interview for Carol Joyt, host of Q&A Cafe TV show, Palfrey faced criminal indictment for prostitution, but for Palfrey, one thing was crystal clear during the interview.
She would not end her life by hanging herself.
As Brandy Britton, one of her employers had, clearly murdered as well.
I don't want to be like her.
I don't want to end up like that.
So another source, we're questioning history.
Within one hour of her being found, official story, open and shut, she committed suicide in the garage, hanging herself.
Absolute bull.
So that's questioning history, and that now is a thought crime they want to arrest you for.
So we have to stand up against this now, no matter how painful or how demonized we get, because even if you disagree with ideas you hear here, you need to fight for the right for people to say them and have them.
Well, and this particular questionable death that you're referring to reminds me as far back as Secretary of Defense James Forrestal, who a lot of us believe was tossed out of a window and they claim that that was suicide.
And of course the secrets and the knowledge that he was sitting on were absolutely cataclysmic in terms of what he might have or could have revealed.
So they certainly have a long history of doing this, but I'm not privy to the details of this particular case.
But, um, Lately, since the year 2000, I have been consumed with my research on Judaism and on Zionism and the Talmudic religion, because I feel that it's the key to understanding the cryptocracy as a whole.
And during the break, you had mentioned to me that you also feel there are some aspects of anti-Judaism which are problematic, and I would agree with that insofar as I believe that The Cryptocracy plants their own Agence Provocateur inside various groups and then they take extreme positions which actually benefit Judaism.
One of the prime ways that they benefit Judaism is Whenever you have race hate injected into this discussion.
And the Zionist documents going back 200 years say that it compacts their group and then they feed on the lower Jews beneath them and the Jews think that their leaders are taking care of them when Israel admittedly has been caught doing bombings in Baghdad 60-something years ago, bombings in southern Spain, all of these things to drive Jews back to their homeland.
That's something that has to be understood, is that the freedom movement that I'm leading here with regard to Judaism is first an attempt to liberate individual Judaics from Judaism.
And so you disagree with the main line of the crazies that say Jews are really Neanderthals and crazies that go around stirring up trouble and making people look stupid that talk about this.
You disagree.
You're saying you don't believe they're inherently devil-seed.
Well, that's my point, is that, you know, fifteen years studying this, every time I met somebody who said it was the Jews, the Jews, they were lying, backstabbing, crazy, lying scum, who would always attack me, and then I'm like, my God, the people that believe this must be bad, because everybody I meet is, but I guess they're provocateurs, or crazies, or losers who want to blame a group, but just because they're doing that doesn't mean This isn't a predatory group out of control.
Well, it's a predatory ideology which is out of control, but there's another factor here, and that is, who is a Jew?
I mean, people run around calling themselves Jews, and in John Chapter 8, Jesus said that they had as their father the Father of Life, so why do we believe them?
All of the genealogical records were destroyed when the Romans conquered Jerusalem in A.D.
70, so we only have the word of these rabbinic liars to say that they're descended from King David or Abraham.
You and I may have more Abrahamic blood in our veins than they do, but my question and my challenge to them is prove it.
So what that also does though, it's interesting because it absolves these interlopers from actually being the biblical Jews.
They don't have any kind of a curse on them, although I believe even when we are talking about actual Israel, and certainly there is a remnant of Israel on the earth, as scripture says, but that curse was only on the few generations there, the early generations that would have been implicated in the death of Christ.
It certainly wouldn't correspond to any actual biological Jew who was alive today.
But this racial issue, Alex, one of the things that we have to understand here is, is that the rabbis ...are very keen on keeping Judaics inside the ranks.
So they have to use the Hitlers, the Nazis, and the haters to scare the Judaic people back into the fold of Judaism.
Because one of the things that Judaism teaches in the Talmud is, is that no matter how nice, how good, how benevolent a Gentile is towards you, he's only doing it for ulterior, cynical motives.
He can never really love you for yourself.
And a corollary from that, if I may expand on this, is the idea that if someone attacks the Israeli government, if they say they're genocidal, they're instituting a holocaust against the Palestinians, if they say, like Walt and Mershimer do in their book on the Israeli lobby, that there's inordinate power and control of the United States government on the part of the Israeli lobby,
The reaction of the main hardcore of Orthodox Judaism and Zionism is to say, you know, that's inherently anti-Semitic.
You don't really have a valid point.
What you're motivated by is hatred and bias towards us.
I know, I've read the official documents they wrote where they said, isn't it wonderful, we'll get people to persecute us, we'll even commit horrible crimes and let the Gentiles find out so they'll persecute us so we can then have our little slaves under us and not letting Hitler Kick the Jews out saying no, they have to come to Palestine, they've got to pay us money.
One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Germany.
I mean, you know, these sickening evil statements, these types of things, all I'm saying is it's a lot more sophisticated.
Let me digress and then we'll get back into this.
Why is there such an obsession with Germanic-ness by the modern Zionist?
Why do we see the Rothschilds funding different German institutes of eugenics?
Why do we see them funding it now?
Why are they intermarried with European Germanics?
Why are they supporting Schwarzenegger wearing his Nazi belt buckle in public?
I mean, certainly you see that there's a weird, satanic wedding going on behind the scenes, or you disagree with that?
And so what I would say is that I see a cleavage between this The idea that there is sort of a secret linkage between the Germanic elite and the elite of the cryptocracy.
I mean, 80 plus billion dollars in the last four years from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation with Warren Buffett, and they're in Africa injecting them with HIV.
They're poisoning them.
They've been caught.
It's in the documents.
They've been caught carrying out eugenics.
I mean, that I would call Hitler-esque.
But if the Judaics run it, I guess they want all the blacks and Asians dead too, or what?
But I mean, that's what I'm saying, though, is that the Darwinistic view, the Francis Galton view, I mean, when I get to the head of the Human Genome Project, Dr. Watson, saying blacks basically weren't human.
You know, he's a white guy, and he's running the Human Genome Project, running around saying blacks aren't human.
I'm saying, you know, I understand in the media and everywhere else you can see the Zionists, but I'm saying, when I get into science, and I get into foundations, and I get into this, I mean, it's Hitlerian, it's eugenics.
I'm saying I've really found that, and I've really found Zionists everywhere, too.
So what I'm saying is... It's Hitlerian, but Hitler is an anomaly in terms of German civilization.
It would be like saying that George Bush Is a typical product of our American civilization... No, but when I say Germanic, I don't mean even the German people.
Well, they certainly always wanted to control the Germans, but prior to the rise of Hitler, Germany and German civilization was a paragon of the music of Bach and Beethoven and The great philosophy and the advances in religion and science, which we owe so much to the Germans.
The point is... Well, you know, it's interesting though, Alex, because they say that people who are in the know tell me that when you go to these collection catalogs for Nazi memorabilia and Nazi relics, that the number of Judaic customers on there is astonishing.
No, no, that's... And perhaps you use the appropriate word, perhaps it's a fetish.
Well, Hitler used a good luck symbol, the swastika, which prior to the rise of his regime was always universally associated with good luck.
All it is is the symbol of the sun in motion.
You put a cross inside of a wheel, you knock four segments of it out, and it looks like a running man or an intimation of the sun.
A pagan symbol always associated generically with good luck and he twisted it into this horrible thing.
I think in general there is a magnetic archetype associated with the northern European model both racially and in terms of some of the things that we see in our movies and culture as far as these associations with the polar regions and with the sword and sorcery epics.
So it wouldn't surprise me if at some level in the occult or heavy metal music, or even at the higher levels that you're insinuating are operant here, that they are mining that, so to speak.
But what I can tell you from my own research, what my opinion is, is that far above that and far beyond that is the Kabbalah, the Talmud, and the veritable worship, not of the German or the Aryan or any archetype along those lines, but the worship of the Judaic male as personified by but the worship of the Judaic male as personified by the rabbi.
Well, Madonna is a, I hesitate to use the word witch because of all of the inquisitorial connotations of that word, so I would call her a magician, and I would say that her recent 30 minute show in New York City Had all the hallmarks of a cabalistic open air ritual that was both broadcast on the internet and also much to do was made of it in New York City.
Well, that's her actual identity would be Jezebel, but what we find is, for example, in Judaism they say, well, you Gentiles can be saved and you can be part of the covenant if you become a Noahide.
But actually, they're not talking about the biblical Noah any more than Madonna is a representative of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
She's the exact opposite.
And the Talmudic Noah is the exact opposite of the Biblical Noah.
So all these poor dupes and suckers who are joining Judaism... There's two ways to be a Gentile and join Judaism.
One is through Holocaustianity and going down to the Holocaust Museum in Washington, D.C.
and believing everything that's there and believing that only one people on Earth suffered a Holocaust.
That's one Enroden.
And the other way is through the Noahide, but you're not following the biblical Noah, you're following the Noah of the Talmud.
Yes, and so in the case of the Noahide and the Noah of the Talmud, the Talmud regards Noah as a drunk and a very unsavory character, and what you really have is you have a trap for Gentiles.
They're going to...
It's like the old story where Dracula couldn't enter your home unless you invited him in.
He has to trick you to invite him in, but let me stop you there.
Let's just, when we come back, start at the beginning so people understand this about how the Torah is different than the Talmud and the Zohar and all those.
And how they're separate, because they're hearing this going, no, no, the Bible says no is good.
They need to understand two separate deals.
You've got a Middle Eastern group, you've got a European group that just picked up on things the Jews picked up in Babylon and of course in Egypt, and then try to explain that to people.
So, basically, the Talmud is bringing people, it's using people to think, these poor Christian people who think, Here's the Holy Blood of Israel flowing the veins of these rabbis, and I've got to get amalgamated with them, and the way to do that is to associate with this Noahide group.
And then just like you asked Dracula, oh, won't you come into my home?
And having done that, then he has a certain power over you.
So you join the Noahide group, and whereas right now you and I are basically trying to expose Uh, these evils, but when you actually sign on for the evil, then of course you lose a certain amount of your volition and your cognition, and it's that much easier to snatch your soul and control you, and that's what the Noahide operation is.
It has nothing to do with the scriptures whatsoever, but people don't understand that there's this mirror world operating in Judaism.
Y'all, well, you know, we're dealing with master deceivers, and so there's a counterfeit.
We were talking about that while at the commercial break, how it's a mirror world, a mirror of the scripture, and a mirror of biblical patriarchs and biblical figures.
And so we will hear Orthodox rabbis say, well, we're Torah true.
We have to follow the Torah.
We have the Torah.
And in fact, the rabbis tell those who are part of Judaism, you can't understand the Bible without the mediation of our interpretation of it.
Protestants don't seem to have a problem with that.
They have a huge problem with the idea that the Pope claims to be a mediator of Scripture, but when the rabbis make that claim, they seem to be very apathetic about that.
I don't understand that, but anyhow, Let's be clear about the Torah.
When they say that they're Torah-true, they mean that they're Talmud-true.
Because there is the Torah Shibik-Tav, which is the written Torah, and the Torah Shibel-Pah, which is the oral Torah.
Well, yeah, what they say is there is a dual law, that Moses was given two laws on Mount Sinai.
The oral law, which became the province of the rabbis, and which was only written down after Israel crucified its Messiah, and then really became degenerate.
Prior to that, it had been a toss-up which way they were going to go, and so they had never sufficiently lost the grace to commit this evil to writing.
As we mentioned in the last broadcast, the Talmud says ten measures of sorcery were given to the earth, nine were given to Egypt, and one to the rest of humanity.
So they certainly see Egypt as a source of magic and sorcery.
Of course, officially they condemn Egypt, but actually Secretly, they have tapped into that power, and they actually pay obeisance to it.
And as you said last time you were on, or as the late Arthur C. Clarke said, a Texas Instruments calculator would be the highest order of magic to somebody just 200 years ago.
So when we use the term magic sorcery, that's ways to manipulate populations, lie, spin things, and then they just package it in a bunch of mumbo-jumbo.
Yeah, because leftist intellectuals could accuse us of mystifying the discussion by bringing in magic, but actually they're the ones who are mystifying when they refuse, when they use this agnosticism to refuse to recognize how technology operates.
And in the last program I mentioned that Arthur C. Clarke, his famous statement was that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
So that's what we're talking about.
We're talking about a science Which even certain scientists have been able to cover up and mock and direct our attention away from by claiming, oh, that's just silly fairy tales.
But it isn't.
And Arthur C. Clarke, who was a pioneer and prophet of the satellites that we now have operating around our Earth, and a key agent of the cryptocracy... He's the inventor of it, Glenn.
So he's our source for that.
So you see Alex, we have this counterfeit.
We have the Noahide Covenant, but actually it has nothing to do with the biblical Noah.
It's the Noah of the Talmud and of the post-Talmudic text.
Sure, Revelation 2.9 talks about, I know them who say they are Jews and are not, and are of the synagogue of Satan, so right there we're being warned of a counterfeit.
Jesus, in the key book of John, in chapter 8, talking about the counterfeit, and that's a key theme there in chapter 8, because it pertains directly to what we're dealing with now, where they say, we have Abraham's blood in our veins, we are the children of Abraham, and Jesus acknowledges their biological Pedigree.
But at the same time, he says you can't have Abraham as your father.
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Well, one of the things that I think is important to understand, Alex, is that we need counterintelligence and we need to recruit among the Judaics themselves.
And that's one of the reasons why I've been able to profit in my research has been that I have had Judaic informants inside the yeshivas and the kolels who assist me with my research.
I wouldn't be able to benefit from the details they've given me.
If they thought that I was a racist hater, and it feeds into the Rabbi's image of the Gentile and of the Christian, if we in any way reinforce that image.
Now, what I wanted to do was, I wanted to give you the actual teaching that Talmudic children receive in Orthodox Judaism.
This is a phrase that's repeated to them throughout their childhood, and I'll give it to you now.
Halakha hi beya doa shi asav sonai leil yakav.
And translated that means, it is a given law.
It is known that Esau hates Jacob.
Now they see themselves as Esau, and we are Jacob.
And what they're being told from the time they're little children is, is that they are irrationally hated just because they are Judaic.
Not because they mistreat the Palestinians, not because they have inordinate influence over Congress.
Now, if we, in our information campaign, fulfill that stereotype as so many people in the right-wing and the neo-Nazi movement, and even in the Arab world, have done and are doing, and are encouraged to do by Ajahn Provocateurs, we are then doing the work of the rabbis.
Because we need to convert rabbis, and we need to convert Judaics.
Judaics who are listening to me right now, Jesus loves you.
He wants to free you from these burdens, this terrible yoke that the Talmudists have put upon you.
Well, because what they're saying is there is a racial war to the hilt, and it's irremediable.
There's nothing that they can do to change their race, and therefore, since they describe all of us, Or the majority of us as being racial haters of them, you then have this chasm that can't be bridged.
And so if we actually take that position as so many in the past have, then we're shooting ourselves in the feet.
So it's very, very important to understand that we're dealing here with an ideology, with a spiritual force.
And for example, this spiritual force, as you know on your program and have brought up many times, operates within Freemasonry, and they're the most blue-eyed, blonde-haired, Aryan Gentiles they can be.
We have evil in every race and every nation.
But because of the nature of the Talmud and the Kabbalah, that evil is centered on this notion of the racial supremacy of the Judaic as personified by the Rabbi.
Which is in the Talmud, which is in the Zohar, which is in all the books, and then it's in Encyclopedia Judaica, but we're not supposed to talk about that.
And we're actually dealing with the source of racism in the world as a whole, because it's not in the Bible.
And it certainly is not in Islam.
Islam may have many problems and many errors, and there's no question about that, but Islam does not practice racism.
The most searing and ferocious and savage racism on the earth today is the racism of the Talmud, and then it's practiced and implemented in the Zionist Israeli state.
If you're an InfoWars listener, stay with us, and I will be right back.
Okay, now I want to debate with you a little bit here.
There's no doubt it says all that and does that and it's wrong, but then I look at every culture, or even one African tribe across the river from the other, they'll say the other tribe is bad, we're the best, you know, they worship the snake god, we worship the monkey god, we're better, or we worship the water buffalo god.
You've got, you know, groups are always, I mean, everybody says our team's the best, or, you know, folks from East Texas are better than North Texans.
I mean, we're all tribal.
I mean, everybody says the other group isn't human and deserves to die.
I mean, that's what the Aztecs would say when they were wiping out, you know, neighboring native tribes with sacrifice.
I mean, you're not making the claim, though, as some do, that all evil and all racism emanates out of one place, are you?
I mean, that's what a Christian is in the sense that, for example... But you're saying out of the three major faiths that spring out of Abraham, you're saying the one that has the new text, the Zohar and the rest of it, the Talmud, that has codified these ideas, you're saying it comes from the Judaics.
They believe that they're Jacob and we're Esau, so I actually apologize for that.
I got that mixed up.
They see themselves as Jacob, we are Esau, and so we're doing this... And then that's what got picked up with the transatlantic slave trade.
Well, that's part of coming from the Midrash and from the Guide of the Perplexed of Rabbi Moses Mammamides.
The anti-black teaching is in those two documents, although you've got to get the uncensored version of the Guide of the Perplexed, as translated by Shlomo Pines.
If you get any other version, usually the racial material has been excised.
Yeah, the website is www.revisionisthistory.org, and yes, when I was translating Halakha Hibiyot, Ishi Esav, Sona Eliakov, I actually transposed it incorrectly.
The Judaics regard themselves, of course, as Jacob, and we are Esau, and they see this as a racial divide that can never be breached, and that's why they have this sense of immunity and entitlement that they're never wrong, they never have to apologize, they never commit war crimes, and any accusations along those lines are being fielded by latter-day Esaus against themselves as Jacob.
It's a religion which has the symptoms of psychopathology because they have delusions of grandeur as being the superior master race on Earth, and they're also paranoid in that they have this incipient fear of opposition.
And those are two symptoms, of course, of insanity.
But it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, because it's an intelligent, you know, group that is getting a lot of power, and so there's going to be competition, eh?
And of course you see that on the West Bank with these settlers and their Talmudic philosophy of annihilating Amalek, which is what they refer to the Palestinians as Amalek, and of course in the Old Testament Amalek was a people who were supposed to be exterminated, so they're actually calling for the extermination of the Palestinians but once again that's not Alex on an Old Testament basis because as you know in the Old Testament God says he did do away with Amalek and he said I will blot out its memory forever.
But see how do you deal with that as a Christian because you've got the Old Testament which Christians accept and saying yeah go ahead and kill everybody when you take over this land kill them and their animals but then modern oh it's Talmudic it's evil it's bad when they want to wipe everybody out.
I do just want to say, however, that the modern use of Amalek shows the Talmudic nullification of Scripture, because God keeps His promises, and He said, I would blot out the memory of Amalek.
True Christians today don't go around calling anybody Amalek, but the Talmudists do, and so they're actually contradicting the Old Testament.
Well, he ended it through his own power, and you challenge me with the idea of God taking out these nations in the Old Testament.
Invariably, when a nation was destroyed in the Old Testament, it was a nation that was practicing sexual sin under occult auspices, and that will destroy us, it will destroy... Yeah, Moloch, Moloch, Moloch, burning babies to him.
We're not talking about any innocent nation of people that God simply picked on because his chosen people were coming along.
Because if you really read the Old Testament, it's an indictment against the Israelites.
And the great prophets who Jesus said from Abel to Zechariah were killed, they were killed for criticizing Israel and telling them that they were falling short.
Just like today, if we try to say the same things, we become under attack.
And another indicator, Alex, that the religion of Judaism is not an Old Testament religion.
We were talking earlier about how they disparage Noah.
They also disparage the prophet Isaiah.
Now, how can you do that and be an Old Testament religion?
This comes out in my book that I'll be finishing up soon called Judaism Discovered.
The prophet Isaiah, as you know, criticized Israel.
And so the Talmud says of Isaiah that he had unclean lips.
And they say that Isaiah was killed and he got what he deserved.
In fact, the Talmudic description of his death is that he was sawed with a saw that went right across his mouth to punish him for saying these terrible things about the Jews.
Now, no biblical religion would ever side with the killers of Isaiah, but that's what Jesus identified them as.
He said, you've been the killers of the prophets.
And you've been the killers of the prophets historically, this ideology and this spirit that you embody.
And that's what we're confronting in the Israeli state, and we're confronting among Orthodox Judaism today in the United States, where George Bush on April 15th, as all of his predecessors since Jimmy Carter did on Education Day USA, met with the Chabad Lubavitchers in the White House.
He got his marching orders from them.
He dedicated this nation to the phony Talmudic Noahide laws.
Under the rulership of their dead messiah, Menachem Mendel Schneerson, that's been going on since Jimmy Carter, the conservative Ronald Reagan, both Bushes... Let me ask you, what do you think Carter's doing now, going over and saying it's apartheid and genocide and wrong and being barred from entry to Israel and things like that?
Well, I'd have to preface my remarks on Jimmy Carter by saying that I was very, very angry at that man at one time, particularly when he instituted the cooperation with Castro for the disastrous Marielle Boatlift.
I don't know if he has ever really done penance for that because he unleashed from Castro's insane asylums and prisons The dregs of that island nation, they came over here, they raped, they murdered, and they plundered, and that is on Jimmy Carter's record.
Now, all I can do is surmise, Alex, that he has had a change of heart, that he's one of the very rare people who has been at the top that knows he was implicated in sin and wrong and evil, and in his own way, he's trying to make up for that, and I think he's doing that.
In his trips to the Middle East, I think he's doing good work.
His book on the apartheid system over there is wonderful.
I don't agree with all of it.
But this is a man who is trying to fashion in his own sort of stumbling way a type of Christian witness in his old age.
And I'll tell you, I'll take that.
Well, that's why the globalists a lot of times kill older globalists, because they do.
Some people turn back, you know, kind of on the cross there at the last minute next to Christ.
But expanding on that, and I do think he's doing it for good reasons, just from, you know, what I pick up, you know, his body language, listening to it, analyzing it.
And it's not a hateful thing he's doing, he's doing it in a peaceable way.
Again, everything you describe about Judaism, again, I see those similar excuses, those similar claims manifested in other cultures.
And this is obviously a dominant culture.
I'm just wanting to add that, again, humans rationalize, come up with this same stuff across the board.
Oh yeah, but see, we're all free to challenge all those people.
We're free to challenge Reverend Wright when he makes these statements.
We're free to challenge the Chinese on Tibet, but as soon as we apply the same criterion to the Israelis and want to treat them equally as all other human beings who have both shortcomings and a good side and a bad side, Suddenly, we become Esau, they're Jacob, and it's Halakha, Hebe, Yodesh, Yeisav, Sanai, Lel, Yaakov.
And that's a special situation that we're dealing with whenever we enter into the territory of these rabbis.
Because I know in certain neighborhoods in New York or in the Middle East, the new film about Bin Laden, By Spurlock.
He's just in Israel and these rabbis start beating him up, calling him filth.
You know, he's not allowed in the neighborhood.
But then other rabbis run up and get him and say, no, no, that's a crazy group of people.
I mean, you know, like you have the one group of rabbis saying Israel shouldn't exist, which has got hundreds of thousands of people, Nutter Cardi and a few other groups.
And then you've got other, I mean, there's also, from what I've seen, a few different brands of Zionism.
I mean, you have the big dominant one, but then there's also some other ones.
I'm talking mainly about Orthodox Judaism, because that, of course, was all the Judaism that existed on Earth until the Mescala, that's to say, the Enlightenment, which coincides with the liberal Enlightenment in Europe at its height in the late 18th century.
And prior to that, from the founding of Judaism, after the traditions of men, the oral traditions of men, were committed to writing in the Mishnah, and then later in the Gemara, in the first, second, third Four centuries A.D., all you had was Orthodox Judaism, and then two branches, actually three, Reconstructionism, which is extremely liberal and almost not a factor here.
But two main branches broke off, and that's the Reform branch, based on the Mascala, or the Enlightenment, and the Conservative branch, which tried to take a middle road between the two.
And what that really means is, Alex, the majority of Judaics in America who are religious, and who are following judaism are reformed judaics and a lot of them never seen the call that in their life but see that's what i'm saying every jew i know is a friendly nice person and most of them don't even like the war and they just feel persecuted as the news tells them they are and for what their leaders do they are getting some persecution because they individually haven't done anything and then see that's my larger picture i mean in your massive study of this
you're probably one of the former scholars who honestly looks at it not from a bigoted view before my you're just a cold scientific perspective What's the power structure, you know, and the pyramidal structure?
I mean, what percentage of the elite of the Judaics really know what's going on?
Yeah, much to the scandalization of the Gospel, because a whole generation of young people are now turned off to the Bible and Jesus Christ because they associate it with these bloodthirsty warmongers.
But to get back to your question, the access route for these reformed Judaics who are sort of just cultural Judaics and they... Tell you what, stay there!
Yeah, so the door, Alex, for these sort of agnostic, liberal, Judaic types that you say that you're familiar with, the door into the Talmud for them is through Zionism.
Because Zionism is actually the Talmud in action, even though the Israeli state was founded by Communists and Secularists.
Well, you have to use Moses Hess, and this will be in my book, and for those who subscribe to my newsletter, Revisionist History, they're already familiar with him because He is the person who took inside himself both the Talmud, Zionism, and Communism.
Karl Marx called him my Communist Rabbi.
He was also the spiritual founder of Zionism before Herzl, and he was actually loyal to the Talmud.
He's an incredible personality, very important for people to study, to understand.
He lived in the 1800s to understand how the 20th century came about and these evils were imposed on us.
Because a listener can say, oh my gosh, Hoffman's trying to say that the road to the Talmud is through Zionism, but so many Israelis are secularists, they don't want to have anything to do with the Talmud.
That's correct, to a degree.
It's a generalization, and there's some distortion there, because the Talmud, as we've been talking about from the outset, is inherently, ipso facto, prima facie racist.
See, I want to be clear, that's why this system is so perfectly designed to take over other political systems, because it takes from Egypt, it takes from Rome, it takes from Babylon, it takes from the Old Temple, it takes all of those intrigues, and then it takes the crusade clashes, and all of this, and then how to control your subgroup that thinks you're taking care of them, how to stage events, how to do all of this,
It's a tiny ruling cabal that does study human behavior and activity, ruling over these people.
Now, would you say that the political Zionists are in control now, or are some of these rabbis still in control?
Well, I would say the main political rabbinic power is associated with the Chabad Lubavitch, because they are the ones who have been more or less delegated to go out into the world, to not be so much the literary recluses and bookworms To go out there and do missionary evangelism with the Judaics who have lapsed in their religion, and also to act as the political point men with the various leaders of the United States Congress.
Well, and I'd be happy to debate an Orthodox rabbi, if you can arrange it, or one of these other Christian programs do.
I'd be delighted to do that.
I'd be also delighted to take telephone calls today.
But the Chabad Lubavitchers are probably the most politically endowed, both in the former Soviet Union, the Russian Federation, in the United States, and in Europe.
Very powerful there, and when we're talking, all these neocons are talking about Islamic fundamentalism and the war on reason, and yet the Chabad Lubavitch and other allied rabbinic groups have tremendous political power.
They're fanatic, they're fundamentalists, they're against the Enlightenment, they're against freedom.
They're weaseling their way into Europe and the United States government, and yet, whenever these guys with these myriad, dozens and dozens of books about how the Islamists are making war on our way of life and they're going to abridge our freedom of speech, I've had my freedom of speech and my freedom of press Well, I mean, that's a joke.
Al-Qaeda attacked us because they hate our freedom, and the government's taking all our freedoms.
That's right, they're Al-Qaeda.
We're going to go back live right now, sir, and I do want to get some into, you know, the Twilight communication, all their, you know, the forms of brainwashing.
We're going to end transmission after the overdrive.
You'll need to go over to Infowars.com, listen to the streams there.
If you're listening online, you'll be able to hear that extra 20 minutes coming up in about 40.
Going back to Mr. Hoffman, we've spent an hour on this, where I really like your analysis and what I've read you did eight, ten years ago, five years ago.
Yes, folks, I've read his stuff for more than a decade.
I'm not just now discovering all this.
It's just that people have to be more sophisticated in their approach to all of it.
I will not feed into the New World Order's operations.
I will not be part of it, as a lot of you have been.
And I don't think Mr. Hoffman has it in any way.
I do want to get into their whole twilight language, you know, all the different things that the globalists are doing, some of the allied crime syndicates, where you think their program's going.
And then you also said you'd like to take some calls, so we'll do that in overdrive coming up in the next hour, if you can stay with us.
In fact, I need to ask you, can you stay with us 20 minutes in the next hour?
I just wanted to say www.revisionisthistory.org is our website.
And I just wanted to finish one tale thought there, Alex, that the roots of Zionist racism are in the Talmud.
so for people who claim that The secular Israelis and secular Zionism couldn't possibly have a religious motivation if you look around to Bolshevik Russia and you see these circumcised Judaics who are inflicting this Holocaust on the Russian Orthodox Church and on Christians there.
They weren't doing it out of simply atheistic motives.
They were doing it out of a religious hate which had been inculcated in them in their youth.
So you can be a secularist as you grow up, but if you always have this sort of cerebral nostalgia, and you see so many times these hyphenated Judaics, if you notice them, or they'll say, well, I'm a Buddhist Jew, or I'm an atheist Jew.
Most of us, if we're Christians, or we're Italians, or we're Irish, And we go on to a different world, a different strata.
We don't continue to maintain our original identification, but they do.
So here, a lot of them, not all of them, of course.
So what we have here is we have a nationalistic connection which survives even a transmogrification into a new world of Buddha or Tibet or atheism.
They still cling to a racial, national identification with the Israeli state and with their people.
Now there's no doubt, though, that Western Europeans had what they believed was a providence, what they believed was manifest destiny, and that they did use the Torah as an excuse to exterminate the Native Americans.
So there we see something similar to what the Zionists are doing, or similar to what whites were doing with apartheid, with that.
So I just want to make the point Well, I don't buy the idea that there was an extermination of the American Indians in New England.
I think we'd have to take it century by century.
Certainly, when these Union generals at the end of the war between the states went out there and tried to make the Midwest safe for the railroads and the corporations, yes, there was oppression of the Indians and a lot of lying and a lot of disgusting things going on.
Well, look, I like Andrew Jackson, but I've also got some Native American in me.
Comanche and Cherokee.
So I also like Native Americans, and you know, it was humans.
You could hire natives to kill natives.
And it was huge battles.
And people say, look at the Indian killer, the native killer, Andrew Jackson, who I like, fought the New World Order.
That was when it was 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1, 5 to 1, 10 to 1, fighting the natives.
It wasn't like they were shrinking violet wimps or something.
But the point is, they did say, it's our right to go and take over, it's ours.
My point is, that is a human trait.
I'm just being honed and focused and wicked and vicious through the Zionists, but I'm just saying, I want to, again, let us all recognize this in ourselves, that tribes do this to each other.
Well, that's true, but I think when we're associating Christianity with that and with the Torah, and I want all respect paid to the Torah and to the religion of Jesus Christ, then I don't agree... I'm not attacking that!
Yeah, Manifest Destiny being different from what the Christians who came to New England were practicing... Oh, well, it was the Christians who freed the slaves!
Yes, and so many Judaics, as you pointed out from your own personal experience, are not affiliated with the Talmud, they're not affiliated with Judaism, but like you and I, it's easy to put a flag in their hand, give them a slogan, and sweep them along with the mob, and that's what's happening to them, because certainly as part of my campaign and my ministry, First and foremost is an outreach to the Judaic people to liberate them so that they can be more part of the solution.
And I'm sure you're familiar with the fact that you get attacked by some of the neo-Nazis that clothe themselves as more reasonable, claiming you're bad because you want to reach out.
Yeah, and a lot of those people are almost completely insignificant.
They had a higher profile in the past when you saw, for example, the Canadian Zionists were funding John Beattie, who was running the Canadian Nazi Party.
The Aryan Nations in Idaho was one of the greatest FBI listening posts that had ever been established in the United States.
Randy Weaver's family would be alive today had Randy not gone up to Aryan Nations and the real history of Aryan Nations and how the media kept that alive and has really not come out.
Well, he was with the Keyhole Boys who were implicated in some of the murders where they were knocking off some of the witnesses of the Oklahoma City bombing.
Oh yeah, and then you also had the bank robberies going on right out of Elohim City that it turned out, official news, Southern Poverty Law Center was running.
Aryan Nations, Neo-Nazi Network, all these patsies.
These buffoons, these child molesters, these gun runners, ex-cons, they were all being funneling into this movement, but at the last minute... Stay there, stay there.
We were just talking about how the main Nazi groups, I mean, in the British papers, in the U.S., caught over and over again, not just run, but founded by British intel, German intel, ADL Connections, Southern Property Law Center, German intel, ADL Connections, Southern Property Law Center, it's come out in official FBI documents.
Funding and running Elohim City, the main Nazi compound in Oklahoma.
Tied in with the Rabbis and the Aryan Nations.
Running it in Idaho.
And Mr. Hopkins up there.
This has all come out in the news, but the average American doesn't understand.
Again, they need Nazism.
They need hatred of Jews.
So the controlling group can use the Jews as their slaves.
As a subgroup.
And then they... Very sophisticated, but also very simple in a way.
And also keeping, Alex, I'd like to continue that very good point you're making there, also keeping Judaic people who are inside Judaism and who could reveal so much, like some of these Muslims who get out of Islam and they're going around on speaking tours.
We need to have converted former rabbis who are converted to Christ going around the country telling what they know.
So yeah, we were talking about Timothy McVeigh being up here at the Shadows Motel in Spokane, Washington, and he was meeting with the Kehoe Brothers, who were implicated in knocking off some of the witnesses to the Oklahoma City bombing conspiracy, and when this information was presented to the federal judge, Uh, at the trial there, uh, he ruled it out of evidence, irrelevant, absolutely, because they really didn't want to reveal the role of what you and I are talking about, or how they use these patsies, and they certainly have patsies on the left as well.
uh... the violent uh... animal rights crusaders and uh... well let me know what i mean you ever notice you have to be a provocateur you notice how the groups that claim they're exposing zionism they just freak out attack everybody else cause fights claim people have been kidnapped that haven't just run around wildly uh... they've always got criminal backgrounds they're being handled they're being run
Whereas I'm saying, everybody come together, everybody's human, let's just not be tribal, yeah there's evil mafias, let's, you know, I'm trying to tell listeners, empower yourselves, take action, we can win, we can fight evil.
Notice the other guys, they never do that, it's a key M.O.
Right, and I think that the lesson of the New Testament, at least for me anyway, as a believer is, is that you cannot Be in contention with these things using carnal weapons.
Unfortunately, the Muslims have a religion which is oriented towards using carnal weapons against their opponents, so it's much easier to manipulate Muslims than it is to manipulate Christians, although we have so few authentic Christians these days that I suppose in some ways it's become just as easy in either culture.
A lot of these white Anglo, quote, Zionist, I mean, you'll hear them say, nuke all the Arabs, murder everyone, kill all their children, kill anyone who disagrees with the government and our holy jihad against the jihadis.
And, I mean, they've lost all their soul.
Don't you idiots know that if the government will nuke Muslims, they'll take your bank account?
Don't you know they can kill, I mean, the videos, hundreds of them of our troops shooting Iraqi children for fun and shooting dogs and and our citizens don't care about the Iraqi kids, they cry about the dogs, showing how far we've fallen, doesn't the public know that if evil is allowed to be perpetrated against somebody else, it can happen to you?
Yeah, there's definitely been a process of dehumanization, and as you say, if we're dehumanizing these other people, then we're simply setting ourselves up to be dehumanized as well.
Think how big these hit teams are that are already here.
They have hundreds of thousands of troops, and tens of thousands have been involved in massacres, and they just sit there on the side of the road in Baghdad, shooting cars full of women and children falling out dead, laughing!
I mean, it's not even at a checkpoint!
They just say, watch this, playing Elvis music and shoot families and laugh!
And Blackwater, as you know, has been implicated in that.
And the headline in our North Idaho newspaper was yesterday was that Blackwater may open a chapter in North Idaho because we have a lot of retired policemen, firemen, and military up here.
And, of course, I take my hat off to all genuine public servants who really have protected us from crime.
And things like that, but when you have that kind of military mentality where the government is right and they forget what George Washington and Thomas Jefferson argued for and shed their blood for, then you have these mercenary groups coming in, which is basically, as you know, what we're operating in the Middle East is a mercenary army.
Well that's why day one, a private gets $30,000 a year, a sergeant gets $50,000-$60,000 a year, a colonel gets $1,000,000 a year.
It's unknown what the generals get, but they fly in hundreds of billions on giant pallets per year and publicly hand it out off record to the troops, but that's meant to corrupt them, that's meant to get them ready for clandestine Black Ops, and now they're not professional hitmen in some cases.
They're so bloodthirsty that I've seen the reports in major papers, and I've seen video of it, where there'll be a mother walking with a child and up a .50 cal at, you know, 5,000, not 5,000, 500 yards, and they'll place bets on, can I shoot her in the head?
And her head will explode, and then the child mother falls over with the hand, you know, and then just spraying and shooting and taking puppies and murdering them.
I mean, it's just like, ah!
I mean, that's mind control, and now I want to get into that, because I want to take calls, but we can't just go for 10 hours here.
I mean, you've done so many other subjects.
In fact, let me punch your website up here in front of me.
One of the things that you mentioned there, Alex, with that violence, and the way that it does damage to Jesus Christ and the Gospel, because obviously Satan does not want the Gospel to spread, doesn't want people to be saved, We have so many ministers and even Catholic priests, for that matter, who've become neocons, who are preaching this war doctrine.
They're cheering on the massacres.
And the people of the world look on this and they figure, well, these are the public spokesmen for Jesus Christ.
This must be what Jesus Christ represents.
And yet Jesus Christ said, love your enemies.
Do good to them that persecute you.
And the only violence that is allowed to a Christian is not actually violence, but taking up of arms.
Is the police power that the Apostle Paul spoke about, that the ruler bears not the sword in vain to protect our borders, to protect our women from rape, to punish kidnappers.
But we're not allowed, as we've done throughout history, as these secret agents have talked us into, where one Christian nation fights another Christian nation, and the minister gets up in one pulpit and says, God's on our side.
The other minister says, He's on their side.
You had Catholic priests holding masses for the French army.
Opposed to Spanish priests holding masses for their army.
This is all a scandalization of the gospel and it diminishes the stature of Jesus Christ in the world.
And I think that's the most satanic aspect of all of these wars that we have Christian ministers and priests and politicians implicated in their actions.
Again, anything is going to be used throughout history, it always is.
Okay, now, I want to get into the regime of Queen Elizabeth, the first ideological template for the Masonic Imperium and the intelligence agencies of the West, and how that ties into Twilight language, the sub-command-and-control argot of the cryptocracy The Alchemical Processing of Humanity via Psychodrama Embedded in Ritual Crimes, which we just saw on a high satanic holy day with the murder of Gene Palfrey yesterday.
Yeah, well with Queen Elizabeth, we briefly touched on her regime last time, and whenever, rule of thumb is whenever you're looking for this occult technology, you want to begin with the intelligence agencies, because that's typically where they're harbored.
And last time I was on your program, Alex, we talked about Dr. John Dee, astrologer royal to Queen Elizabeth I, and with Edward Kelly, he was involved in necromancy and an occult process called scrying.
He was also a legitimate mathematician in his own right.
And his codename, and this will send everybody into orbit when they hear what it was, his codename in the Elizabethan cryptocracy was 007.
And this is the original paradigm of 007.
In fact, people who are in the know on historians of intelligence agencies in the West have remarked upon the fact that the best, most efficient, treacherous, and deadliest of all the secret police forces in the West ...have been the British Intelligence, MI5 and MI6, and along with Mossad, of course, and all the rest of them from the CIA and the KGB downward are just pale imitations compared to that.
Well, why did they have this power and how did they get it?
In this particular case, John Dee was very much a Kabbalist.
He was fascinated with the Kabbalah, and last time we talked about how the Renaissance Roman Catholics and the Renaissance Anglicans began to import these Pharisaic ideas into Christendom when the Christians had done such a good job throughout the Middle Ages of keeping these ideas out, and then they entered in in the Renaissance.
And John Dee was obsessed with the Kabbalah.
He felt it was the key to the very highest forms of magic and control of populations and nations.
And so back in the 16th century, he made the very difficult journey Uh, out to Prague, where he saw Rabbi Jude Law.
Now, I must say, this is conjecture.
I cannot absolutely document that he, per se, met with Jude Law.
He was in occult bohemia at that time.
It would be very hard for me to believe that someone as well-connected as he was going into Prague And not meeting with Rabbi Giudolo, but so far we have not gotten the smoking gun on the actual meeting itself, so I can't produce letters or diaries that attest to that.
However, the key books which would have that information, they're not even extant in the British libraries.
One of them has been burned up.
You can see the copy, and it's been heavily burned.
Uh, the others have been lost, but one thing we do know, and we need to go by what people practice, that was Jesus' rule of thumb, by their fruits you'll know them, and so what are the fruits of John Dee?
After he returned from Prague, he was filled with this Kabbalistic gnosis, so if he didn't actually meet with Rabbi Judello, who by the way is associated with the mystical golem, The idea of getting the brainless Goyim, which is what they call the other nations of the world, and getting them to march to your tune, that was actually a philosophical meme or virus of Rabbi Judellot.
So whether or not Dee actually met with him, he certainly picked up the virus and brought it back to Great Britain, where he invented the concept of British Israel, which was a secret teaching that the people of Europe were actually descended from the Ten Tribes.
Now, I actually tend to believe that there is something to that, just because John Dee advocated it, or the Kabbalists and the Rabbis were trying to twist or distort it.
Well, I have found that most neo-Nazis are very dismissive of British Israel because they're dismissive of the Old Testament as Adolf Hitler was.
Adolf Hitler was basically convinced by the occultists that he dealt with in the Thule Society and the roots of the Thule Society that there was this Manichaean split between the Old Testament and the New Testament.
It's the heresy of Marcion, where you believe that Jesus was a New Testament figure, and that this terrible Yahweh was this demonic figure of the Old Testament.
The big problem with that is that Jesus quotes the Old Testament numerous times.
Well, one of the key aspects of seeing how Hitler was controlled is when you see that when he had state power over the publications of Germany, there's two key indicators for me.
One is the very best Talmud that had ever been published in Germany, the Talmud of Lazarus Goldschmidt.
uh... was published uh... in nazi germany while hitler was the supreme leader uh... they had picked a twelve volume series the last book was published in nineteen thirty six Publication began in 1929, and Hitler did not interdict the publication of the Talmud.
But even more telling than that is, when Hitler had the focus of the Germanic peoples of the world on him and on his ideology, and he had just a golden opportunity to teach people, what did he hold up for them to learn in terms of advising them about what the inner nature of Zionism uh...
communism and judaism was the protocols of the learned elders of zion i don't want to get into debating the providence of it but alex at the very least we can say that it is at very much in dispute and whenever i say that i get mail from people and they're trying to prove to me that the protocol is real and i think they look whether it's real or it's not and i personally do not believe that it is authentic but whether it is there is a written in comic book fashion Exactly.
And there are a couple of key points, because I believe the Russian secret police had a good handle.
The Russians were probably among the very best students of the rabbis, and they understood rabbinic knowledge.
To this day, the Russians are very alert to the Talmud.
And so, here Hitler holds up the Protocols, has it reprinted, when one of the greatest German scholars of all time, Johann Andreas Eisenmenger, in 1700, had written a book, Endectes Judentum, and it was about Judaism.
It was a two-volume master key into Judaism, which Samuel Wertheimer and Oppenheimer, the financiers of the Holy Roman Empire at that time, had that book suppressed.
And, uh, Eisenmenger had studied with rabbis for 20 years before he wrote the book.
And Hitler could have commissioned a republication of the book.
And there's still more details in that.
Most Germans are not interested in it.
I haven't been able to get Germans very interested in it.
Our publishing company came out with an English version of it.
You can find it at Amazon.com under Traditions of the Jews by Eisenmenger, but it's a one-volume abridgment by a Huguenot minister named Stellan in the 18th century.
It's not the complete book, but it's the best that we could do.
But that's really the master key to Judaism.
What does Hitler do?
He reprints the protocols and ignores Eisenmenger.
Of course, Eisenmenger was a pious Lutheran scholar.
There was nothing racist about him, nothing that you or I would object to.
It would have been a Benefaction to humanity of the reprint of that book and he didn't do it.
It's just one of a number of factors that you can see in Hitler's outlook And his attitude of the extirpation and extrusion of the Judaics from Europe, which has been... I mean, he's really the original $6 million man for the state of Israel.
If it wasn't for him, the Israeli state would have never come into being.
It was as a result of sympathy after World War II.
But then I get people telling me Hitler wasn't the occult, he was a nice guy.
I mean, you can just look at the guy, but then all the speeches I've read, I've listened to old audio recordings and translations, and the things they did, and the people they shook down.
I mean, just all of it to say that this is a good guy, it just shows the sickening, delusional nature of so many people.
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We're going to do about 20 minutes of overdrive.
I really want to get into Twilight Language, the sub-rosa command-and-control argot of the cryptocracy.
There is no doubt they're following this.
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Let's get into defining what Twilight Language is.
Give us the basics of that and then get into some examples of its implementation and usage.
Well, I think, Alex, one of the reasons why our people are so passive right now, there's an eerie silence out in the hinterland.
You know, Hillary Clinton's husband, Bill...
Was part of the bombing of Serbia, where Christian churches and monasteries were destroyed, supposedly to liberate Kosovo.
And if something like that had been done by an American president, say, downtown Tel Aviv, as was done to Belgrade, you can be sure that if his wife was then running for president, everywhere he or his wife went around the United States, they would have encountered a crowd of angry Tel Aviv residents who said, look what you did, firebombing our town.
Yeah, but we don't see Serbian Christians following around Mr. and Mrs. Clinton, and I'm not advocating any violence here, but just asking them tough questions, protest, and picket signs.
There's this incredible apathy on the part of our people, and I believe it's been instilled, and it's instilled in a number of ways.
Twilight language is one of them.
And Twilight Language is basically a way to talk over our heads directly to our subconscious.
And one of the movies, it's kind of R-rated, so I don't recommend it for people under the age of 18.
Kids shouldn't see it, you know, but mature adults can see it.
It's called They Live.
And in the movie they live for some reason the director mentioned that the glasses that you can put on to decode this subliminal twilight language are called the Hoffman lenses.
And to this day I don't know whether he was a fan of my book or it's just a synchronicity.
But that movie brings out some of the aspects, but of course it's a lot more technical than that.
But the idea is that you implant in people certain key words.
I'll give you one of them.
Wicker.
Okay, wicker.
You were talking about the Druids at the start of the program.
And wicker has to do with the historic method of immolation of a ritual victim.
You put them inside of a wicker basket, and something like that goes on at the Burning Man Rite in Nevada every year.
They're out at Black Rock, and I think Black Rock, even that word is symbolic.
Yeah, and so, in our subconscious, it's my theory, based on information, for example, from Dr. Carl Gustav Jung, and... Well, there's no doubt that there are these pre-programmed, almost ancestral memories.
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But I...
I just have always smelled a New World Order operation in and around, just going after certain groups of people, because that actually empowers the New World Order.
All right, I want to move quickly through Twilight Language, the Sub Rosa command and control argot of the cryptocracy, then we'll go to these loaded phone lines for Michael Hoffman, our guest, who is a former AP writer, best-selling author, researcher, calls himself a revisionist historian.
So we're at www.revisionisthistory.org, and the book that I'm finishing up now is Judaism Discovered.
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I've been writing it for a year, researching it for the last eight years, and that's... And again, this is all the rage, Madonna, everything else, we're just looking at it.
And so our address is Independent History, PO Box 849, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, 83816, and the website is revisionisthistory.org.
And we were talking about Twilight Language, and Alex and I were discussing wicker as being one of the command words.
Earlier in the previous show that I did, I talked about how people are aware that Egypt involves, the ancient Egyptians and pharaonic Egypt involves archaeoastronomy.
And the mystical toponomy of that area, the ley lines and how the statuary is laid out, but very few people know the emphasis that the Egyptians put on the use of words, words of power, which Freemasonry is also aware of.
The Freemasons have a symbolic figure they call Dr. Syntax, and they have him lecturing at Freemasons Hall, which is the tip-off That there are these key words and of course every Mason knows that there are phrases and secret passwords.
Are you on the level?
We meet on the square.
Many of those having been part of the regular argot of Americans.
So ubiquitous was the influence of Freemasonry in the 20th century.
This goes a little bit deeper than that because we're talking about an attempt to speak to our unconscious or dreaming mind, which is awake when we are asleep.
But so many people are awake or are asleep even when they're awake.
And I think probably some of you driving on the highways and freeways will be aware of that with people with their cell phones and all these distractions.
But the point of a magician, of course, to work his illusion is to draw our attention away from the real trick.
And so much of what the cryptocracy Alex is involved in today is misdirection.
And in the meanwhile, they salt our media, our public relations, with these keywords which are intended to instill in us amnesia, Apathy and ebulia.
Ebulia means lack of will.
And we certainly see all... And let me just throw this in.
They also do things, and there's many levels and facets, but as George Orwell said, destroying the language, reducing it.
They'll call someone who murders 55 children with a bomb a extremist, which is a... or a radical, which is a term that doesn't describe a cold-blooded murderer of a piece of filth, you know, a terrorist.
They will prescribe a word that is not as serious to something serious so they can then use it to people who aren't even quote extreme but now it has the mental idea that oh my god this person's a murdering terrorist that way they can call you an extremist and not get sued when they're really calling you a murdering killer.
Yeah, language is really the key of it and who controls the language for example how the word The neologism Holocaust was introduced into our vocabulary prior to the late 1960s, early 70s.
Most people talked about the genocide as Raphael Lemkin coined it, which was also a neologism.
Or they just referred to the six million.
And suddenly this term Holocaust, which means burnt offering, was being applied to people who did not die generally by fire, as it's alleged, but they died allegedly by gas.
But see how that is a sacrifice, which they believe by funding Hitler and letting him do all that, then that's the excuse.
And, of course, you report that you do believe Hitler did kill a lot of people and Jews, according to what I've read in your writings, which obviously is accurate.
The number can be debated, which, again, is a burnt offering to set up Israel.
But continue with words.
I mean, continue with lots of words and this twilight language.
Yeah, well, twilight language, if you look on the Internet and search around for twilight language, you're either going to bump into my research or you're going to bump into a technical term that's used in Buddhist and Tantric and Hindu manuscripts to talk about the concealment of texts which are not allowed for initiates to access.
But twilight language as used in that Buddhist-Hindu context does not really involve manipulation of the unconscious or dreaming mind.
It's a little bit there in Tantra, but mostly it's a technical term for how texts are concealed, which is of interest to me in my study of Judaism, because one of the theses that I bring out in my new book is that even some of the texts in the Talmud were deliberately planted there in case Gentiles penetrated through The Aramaic began to understand and got access to the text, but we'll leave that for another time or for when my book is published.
But in this peculiar case of Twilight Language in the West, Alex...
That's the manipulation of archetypes, and I want to give you an example because I think that's the best way for people to understand it.
And so, as we were talking when we were on the national radio there, we were talking about how wicker is related to the ancient pre-Christian northern European means of immolation for ritual sacrifice, which was to put someone into a large anthropomorphic, that is to say, man-shaped wicker basket and set it on fire.
And then we were talking about how there were parallels between that and the Burning Man rituals that are done out in the Nevada desert at Black Rock.
But if we look at Wicker, and again, people can do an internet search or they can do this research on their own to see how much the wicker is associated with the occult and associated with ritual murder.
And when I was part of the regular establishment media, Uh, one of the stories that I was covering was the son of Sam murders, which I'm sure you'll recall with the son of Sam called David Berkowitz was the past.
He, he, well, terrorizing New York with these very occult letters, which were not written by David Berkowitz.
They weren't in his handwriting.
He wasn't capable intellectually of writing them.
And he now admits that himself.
Unfortunately, Maury Terry, the lead investigator on that has muddied the waters in certain significant ways.
Uh, which is very unfortunate because about 90% of his book is correct and then 10% is misdirection.
But, uh, the son of Sam called himself Wicked King Wicker for absolutely no reason.
And the letters to Jimmy Breslin, which were subsequently publicized across the nation, first in the New York Daily News and later in Newsweek and Time and CBS and so forth, Uh, this name, Wicked King Wicker, came to be associated with the most electrifying ritual serial murder series, uh, really of that era.
The Son of Sam, uh, thing.
If you talk to native New Yorkers, uh, who were living in Manhattan or any one of the five, uh, boroughs at that time, uh, they feared Son of Sam and, uh, they began to associate, subconsciously, Wicker with Son of Sam.
And I followed this Wicker trail And they use it later on.
There was a movie set in Chicago and it was on ritual murder and brought in this wicker thing for absolutely no reason at all.
So it's clear that they want to associate the ancient connotations of wicker with the modern.
So what's the message?
What's the message of the Twilight language?
What they're saying is that these aren't just random murders.
By lone nuts, even though consciously, that's what we're telling you.
Officially, we're telling you this.
Unofficially, in the shadow side, in the mirror side, we're telling you something else.
Now, in the old days, when we were a hearty, vigorous, alert people, things like that would get people angry, they would get them curious, they would start investigating, and they'd do something about it.
There'd be arrests, there'd be prosecutions, you know?
Nowadays, the way we've been dumbed down, the way our will has been taken from us, all this does is to continue to murder our mind.
The more we see their control, the more we stand in awe of them.
And we don't actually act.
As far as I'm concerned, Charles Harrelson is very likely one of the men who assassinated John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22nd in Dallas.
And when I confronted Woody Harrelson with this, because I had seen that he had made the statement that his father was a CIA agent, and I had also heard that when Charles Harrelson was arrested for the murder of the federal judge, he said, you can't touch me, I killed Kennedy.
And so I was able to arrange a meeting with Woody Harrelson, and he's an environmental activist.
Yeah, and so I felt that this was an opportunity given to me by God to encourage Woody to get his father to speak so that any perpetrators who are still alive we can bring to justice because that's where I'm at.
He died right, it was actually about almost a year ago now.
It was right when the Rolling Stone came out.
You know, I've had St.
John Hunt, the son of the famous CIA Section Chief, CIA Black Ops Commander E. Howard Hunt, with all the tapes, we've even got video that we need to go ahead and get on the web.
So dangerous, but the audio's already out of him saying how he ran the operation to kill Kennedy, but go ahead.
You see, what's happening is, in other words, I could have just gotten Woody's autograph, and like a lot of your listeners, I'm interested in natural foods, and we could have discussed that, but I threw all that away in order to take the opportunity to confront him about his dad, and all he basically did was start crying, and he got very angry, and that ended the whole interview there.
What could be more betterment of the world than to solve this mystery and bring this horrible octopus that's behind the killing of this president to justice?
And that's really...
What I feel we should all be involved in.
Now, maybe my way isn't your way or another individual's way, but each of us have to be involved in a practical application of this.
And what I see, Alex, is that the conspiracy movement, the study of the occult, it's become a thrill-seeking movement.
It seems to be that the vast majority of the people involved are no longer actually trying to bring perpetrators to justice.
They're actually part of an occult roller coaster ride, which continues to dish out various revelations to them, because they're basically almost as dead as Frankenstein monster in the modern world.
They sit in traffic for two hours, they commute home, they eat dead food when they get home, switch on the boob tube, and the occult, the study of these mysteries, is kind of like an electric shock to Frankenstein's monster.
Everything's so dead, everything's a lie, so the truth is like a moth to a flame, but you don't want to get burned by it, and the leadership of it is everyone saying, only I have the answer, and you're all scum.
I always work with everyone, but most people, there's very few quality people at the higher levels.
I think you're a quality gentleman person, very intelligent.
Uh, but I've tried to reach a handout to so many who always backstab me or flip out or say I'm covering up something when I have everybody on, basically.
Uh, but I mean, more than that, it's like a money-making thing.
And I don't mean just to have an office and operate and make films.
I mean, they're really, you know, I refuse the magic riot machines and all the crap pyramids and all the magic cures and all these other things.
You know, like other people, they accept it because they love the power.
They're also mad, as conspiracy leaders, that I'm the big fish and really hate me.
I've experienced it, where I could care less about crowds and people, and I wish, at many levels, I never would have done this.
And I'm a very private person, and I don't need ego, because I already, you know, am self-confident, you know, myself.
But yes, I know a very sick movement.
But at the top, it's sick, like everything else.
In the middle and the bottom, it's great people waking up.
Some people, it's like entertainment and funny, and ooh, look at this, and that's why they always get into the next thing, the UFO, the chupacabra, the turkey monster, the Loch Ness monster, the aliens, because it is a thrill-seeking voyeurism, and then it strays off the path.
Yes, and I think that's important to make those distinctions because it can be a kind of infotainment and just a thrill ride and that's very deadening because Alex, the cryptocracy is not static.
They move us from stage to stage in their human processing.
If they ever really saw a revolution developing, or as soon as they even begin to see an inkling or a harbinger of it, They go to Fox News and they get a fear factor going, you know, we found a bomb on an airplane or, you know, we've shut down the New York subway.
And the phase that we're in now, Alex, and I bring this out in my book, Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare, is the making manifest of all that is hidden, the revelation of the method, which I learned from my mentor, James Shelby Downard, who had studied the alchemical manuscripts and came across this term.
It's very unusual, it's unprecedented in the history of the conspiracy And because what we have previous to this time is concealment.
Tightly and closely guarded their top secrets and of course they continue to do so today I want to see if you agree with me They have to have revelation of the method because they believe the new age is here where they will exterminate 80 plus percent of the earth They have to have everyone ready to accept it the horrors that are coming They have to have us ready and so it's also a conditioning like you said a deadening to hear all this and then it is kind of Marvel at the beast as he did on the Isle of Patmos as they rush over you kind of
If you went next door, and this is all hypothetical, I didn't even know you were married until I heard you refer to your wife.
This is strictly hypothetical, but if you went next door to your neighbor's house, and they were showing home movies from their trip to Jamaica or Hawaii or whatever, and very briefly, out of the corner of your eye, for one second in the movie, it showed your wife in the embrace of your neighbor.
And you know, you weren't sure that you saw it.
Your neighbor's a great guy, your wife's a great woman, so you just sort of subliminally just push it out and say, oh, I must be tired or something.
And then you watch the whole movie for another five minutes, and you see that image again, only it's not one second, it's two seconds.
Now you're pretty sure you saw it.
You ask your friend to run it back.
It's not in there again.
You go home, you start to investigate a little bit, you see evidence that, uh, again, this is hypothetical, that your wife was committing adultery.
Okay, now you're under obligation.
You have a truth that's been placed in front of you.
Or do you willfully double-think and crime-stop and decide to ignore it?
Now you have to go along with her having orgies in front of you and denying it, which is why they show torture on TV, and why CBS on purpose showed lower levels of the torture, was to get people to then say, oh, it's no big deal, and now you've accepted the rape of children.
The movie Videodrome showed that people were going to be getting doses of sadomasochistic television and that those doses were going to create a change in their brain and in their mind.
A movie done by David Cronenberg.
I believe in the late 1980s and now it's come true in front of us because we are not acting.
Now when people say, well Mr. Hoffman, what do you mean by act?
If we could have that across the United States... That's what they're worried about is spontaneous, and you know, this archetypal Sixth Sense thing works both ways.
I think that, you know, we can say they're letting it, you know, we're letting them bring it out.
I think a lot of the reason they're bringing it out now, and I think they rationalize, they're delusional too, they are letting a lot of this come out now because they can't stop it anyways.
I mean, I think they knew the net would bring some of it out, but not this bad.
Well, that's right, and also we have to realize that it's happening on the Internet.
I mean, the Internet is a great source of alternative information up to a point.
I still encourage people to get a classical education and to read part of a book every day besides their regular Bible reading, but there's nothing like confronting a text in the quiet of your home for the contemplation, meditation, and The edification of your mind.
I'm still a 19th century print reactionary when it comes to the utility of the printed word.
And so one of the things I want to warn people about the internet is if you've got any kids in the house, any teenagers, anybody younger than that, Uh, the pornography is free access, and if you don't have a super strong filter on there, and the software is available, and somebody said, well, what if my kid is a hacker and he hacks into it?
Well, then I guess you'll have to get rid of the internet.
Well, see, there's any rationalization to not even do basic controls.
Well, I mean, I don't, I mean, I let my children play a few games on the computer, like drawing games and things, but I just don't let them on it unless I'm there.
And by the way, people think, you know, the devil's advertised as a hot woman in red with horns, you know, the neck of devil archetypal rockabilly image, and it's so much fun and cool.
Really, as you lose your innocence, you lose the delicate perception of the walls of reality.
And so innocence is actually more advanced.
As you become more worldly, it's actually like your feelers have been seared and burned off.
I mean, I feel like I've gone through hell and back, and lost a lot of my humanity just plumbing, you know, studying the New World Order.
Yes, it's a special apostolate, and you have to have a special grace from God to do it, because people like you and I who are involved in this area of study have to be very careful that we maintain our own mental equilibrium and our spiritual connection.
But I think that it's important that your listeners know that there's a point where they've received all the information they need to have and they need to begin to organize as those longshoremen did.
And you notice, Alex, how little media play That wonderful, spontaneous, grassroots protest out there.
But they don't want us to know, because the next thing you know, the Association of Retired Old Ladies will be taking their cars to the gas station, parking them, and walking away.
I mean, that's the kind of message where Bush and these other Satanists, these skull-and-bones-ers, really thrive, is when we give them our consent through our silence.
And again, it has to be a proper form of protest.
It has to be something that is not carnal but spiritual.
Okay, listen, I'm going to rampage through a bunch of calls.
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We've got to move fast.
But in closing, for my questions, Bush, I think they put that doddering crazy man in there just to destroy the image of the presidency, to make America look bad worldwide while we do the globalist dirty work.
In fact, I know they did that.
But just to see him, I mean, he is a literal pit demon incarnate.
It seems obvious to me, but spiritual blindness is one of the first things that people get infected with when they have an insufficient love for the truth, and God is the one who sends it to them, the blindness.
He hates it when we deliberately push away the truth and don't love it.
And there's quite an obligation when you love the truth.
Those who are truth lovers understand that you may not turn out to be the wealthiest or...
The most popular person, but you're doing what God put you on this earth to do, and when you refuse that, then you get saddled with Bush.
Bush is the president that we deserve based on the degenerated state of the American people today.
The rehabilitation of this country starts with the spiritual renewal of each one of us, that each one of us pledges We will never steal anything again in our lives, not even a penny.
We will never tell a lie.
If somebody calls us up at home and we don't want to talk to them, we're going to have to tell our children, hey kids, tell them I can't talk right now.
We're not even going to lie at that level.
And when we build ourselves up from that to the longshoremen on the west coast that refuse to load those ships because they're tired, Of this murder and this genocide in the name of the American people on up.
Then we've got a movement, but we have to move beyond simply infotainment and simply gathering all of this thrilling information because that can inculcate morbidity in us and that in itself is a form of passivity that the cryptocracy can use.
Mr. Hoffman, how do you feel about the correlation of the Book of Enoch, Genesis Chapter 5, the Epic of Gilgamesh, and the story with Noah, and the Sumerian tablets?
And also to associate it with the eternal pagan psychodrama.
and if there's one thing the Old Testament is not, and what makes it unique is it stands apart and separate from that eternal pagan psychodrama, you can see all the hallmarks of that paganism in Judaism, where, for example, they believe in reincarnation, and true Israelites, true Christians do not.
They believe in magic and superstition, true Israelites and true Christians do not.
As far as the Epic of Gilgamesh goes, you can see parallels between Gilgamesh, you can see certain parallels because, for example, the deluge, The deluge exists in many cultures because they're witnesses to a fact that actually happened.
But it doesn't mean that the Bible grows out of that type of paganism.
I'm not an Old Testament scholar here.
My specialty is Judaism, Talmud, Kabbalah, and secret societies.
There are probably other people... Okay, let me get a comment from the caller.
Yeah, we don't even, that's right, we've sunk beneath them, and so we can see parallels with the people, these depraved people in Genesis, we can see those parallels today in the modern world.
Well, I wouldn't necessarily use the word Lucifer, but because that means light-bearer, and you can get him, but I would say that Satanists have been, yes, and they use the name Lucifer sometimes, yes.
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Well, Lucifer, I mean, like, you see a lot of, like, things have to do with light, like the Statue of Liberty's torch, and... Yeah, that's a man in drag.
uh... well i mean i'm glad you know i'd really like that because like i said i like what he's out there and in the philip look i appreciate your call you see i'm here with michael dot on about as i said text mars on i had another guest on earlier this week talking about this i've always had guest on talking about this but but but once the sacrament That Alex Jones is bad and doesn't talk about these issues is set.
People can't ever go back and say that they were wrong, that I'm not a Likudnik or something, okay?
They need to get out of their house, away from their computer, read a book, say some prayers, and get out into the real world.
I know that I was part of a 9-11 session last summer, and of course I believe that the 9-11 attacks are a hoax.
But I find that there are these inquisitors or people who have set themselves up as the pulps of the 9-11 conspiracy, and if I deviate 1% from their line of thought, then I'm as bad as Bush or King.
Well, also, let's be honest, it's an area we can't absolutely connect all the dots on, and the scum that says it's the Jews running it all is so horrible and virulent, attacking people that you don't want to be associated with them.
I mean, Hoffman, are you getting the point we're making here?
Well, sure, because I ran into it at that 9-11 meeting last summer, and it was a good one, run by Bruce Lichty, a California attorney, and a very fine man in my experience.
And what I found was it was so absurd that there was a professor from the Berkeley area there, a very knowledgeable man, and he was talking about this heresy hunting that's going on inside the 9-11 movement, which, of course, there's a hidden hand behind it because it can destroy us with all the distrust and And uh, suspicion that's going on.
But what I found was hilarious was one of the 9-11 activists would not come to the meeting because I was there, because he said that Hoffman doesn't believe that there were homicidal gas chambers in Auschwitz.
So he's just beyond the pale and I can't meet with him.
And I thought to myself, but people told me not to go to the meeting because there were 9-11 deniers there and they're beyond the pale.
If we can't have goodwill for each other, If we can't have freedom of speech and freedom of inquiry and not automatically assume that the other guy is an agent or a spy or evil just because he descends from us, we're not going to make it.
Yeah, that is the ether in which these people swim.
Instead of that caller calling in and commending me for having the substantive courage to talk about these issues on air, which could also then restrict the number of people we can reach later to get the main message out, you have to weigh all that.
Instead of saying, great job, it's no, you have covered up.
And so now I'm like, God, these people are scum.
Maybe they're completely wrong about things.
But I guess that's really it.
I mean, I guess I do have a classical education.
Not that I'm smart, but I've seen how humans have worked before, and so I tend to know the patterns.
And I don't think a lot of these people really have lived that much.
I mean, maybe I'm not saying I'm different, but I just don't understand it.
Well, a lot of these people are crippled in mind, body, and soul.
They use this movement for whatever their own psychological hang-ups and problems are.
You know, when you go to a left-wing meeting, when you meet with Norman Finkelstein and he's a An independent Judaic, and I disagree with some of his things, but I admire his courage greatly.
And boy, when he talks about the Middle East or Palestine, he gave a speech recently at MIT in Massachusetts that I saw.
A lot of the Arab people were there disagreed with him.
It was all polite.
It was courteous.
He did a wonderful thing.
He spoke for about an hour, and he said, you know, I'm going to take questions now.
And since you all sat respectfully and heard me, I'm now going to give you the opportunity to ask me a question, and I want the first questions to go to those who disagree with me the strongest.
Now, there was goodwill.
He didn't fear his opposition the way rabbis do.
He offered to his worst enemies in the audience an opportunity to go after him.
But my whole point is, instead of it being about this process of fighting with each other, can't we just move on and have our topics be about info?
See, I think half our movement, you're worried about morbidity and doing nothing.
More of it is, it's not that so much as it is ninnying and fighting about who's got all the correct answers instead of doing core research.
I mean, my gosh, if you listen to my show for a week, it's just so many views, ideas, but a general picture comes in at so many angles, and it increases your thought.
That's why we make so much news, on the internet, is because we interview everybody, and that's what it's about.
But you will never be forgiven, Burmese.
I want everybody to know you're a scum, and you've been covering up.
And how dare you make this film about Israeli involvement 9-11?
You are filled!
And you'll get attacked by the ADL and by the Aryan Nation.
Absolutely, and I just want to let everybody out there, not only are we going to cover the dancing Israelis, we're going to cover the ones that were caught at the George Washington Bridge.
We're going to cover Amdocs, we're going to cover Converse, we're going to show how this is part of an international spy ring.
Sabel Edmonds, when she told her story to the Times Online, she discussed, hey, there were Turkish moles, there was Israeli moles, and there was a Pakistani operation going through too.
And Mahmoud Ahmed was the one that headed that up.
See, there's different operational arms in 9-11.
You had the Israelis, who were more on the ground to, you know, tape the event, possibly let off some of the explosives.
Then you had the Pakistanis, No, no, it's like we're saying three guys robbed the bank.
Yeah, but see, to say that there were different governments involved doesn't give cover to Israel, but people will claim that.
No, no, it's like we're saying three guys robbed the bank.
They're all three just as guilty.
And they're like, no!
It's like when I say LBJ, because the admirals that were there and the captains and everybody, you know, they told me, we believe LBJ was involved, it was all set up with Israel.
That makes Israel more guilty and LBJ more guilty.
It doesn't give them cover.
You see, again, it's these people, that's why Christian religions break into thousands of pieces, because a new preacher wants to attack the old preacher to go set up his new group and make it about, it's jealousy of this radio show is the main thing.
But hold on.
We've spent enough time on this distraction.
Now no one else gets to talk and talk to guests because that person called in with that.
And then we have to defend this.
But Burmiss, we're going to have you filling in next Friday when I'm out of town.
That's one component of it, but I think there's a lot of folks that believe that knowledge itself is a palliative, and once you have this knowledge, but what happens is so many people have all these competing theories that folks expose themselves to an alternative, but if they don't have the ability to detect fraud, they end up more confused than even the regular man on the street.
I'm not saying that you're wrong for having a program where you allow competing points of view.
I think that that's excellent because, as I said, there's a boycott against our work, and you're one of the few that have afforded us a national platform, and I'm grateful for that.
Yeah, but see, there's a boycott against you because you're actually being reasonable and trying to point at facts.
That's what the establishment doesn't like.
They want a bunch of idiots.
Again, we've just never been afforded the credit that we've always covered this.
It's just that we have it at a frothing, mindless, peon level, you know, way of doing things, and our job is to get people thinking, and to make no group feel bad, to make no group feel like we hate them, because we don't want to empower those groups by making them feel like they've been persecuted, because then they empower their corrupt masters.
And also, we want to do some counterintelligence where they come over to us.
So many times We have had the cryptocracy infiltrate our ranks.
How about us infiltrating their ranks by getting people of goodwill to understand we don't hate them, we want to lift burdens off their shoulders, and let's all work for the truth together.
And screen calls, even though they can call right in.
Let's go to Will in Philly.
I'm just joking.
Go ahead, Will.
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For people out there not aware, make no mistake, there's a multi-million dollar campaign out there to balkanize the truth movement, and Alex, a large chunk of it's been on you, I'm sure you know this.
When you started getting nuts about the murder, the Mossad murder, torture of Riyad Hamed, I just knew, I said to my friend, I said, he's going to get death threats.
If you continue to expose Zionism for the wretched ideology, and that's the operative word, it's not a religion, that it is, you're going to start feeling the heat, brother, and I just want you to take precautions.
You can go online and you can see true Torah Jews against Zionism getting spat on by Zionist apologists and blind followers.
And Herzl, Theodore Herzl, the founder of modern Zionism, talked about how useful anti-Semitism could be.
He said something to the effect that it is essential that the sufferings of Jews become worse.
All these groups want to balkanize us and fight over who runs different heads of the Hydra, instead of just going, we've got an evil world government with a bunch of occultists running.
And I appreciate your call.
I've got to go.
Listen, I've got to let you go.
And I'll be called to censor for that.
Probably not by him, but by somebody else.
I've got to move on.
We're almost past six hours here.
Let's go ahead and take a call from Kyle in Connecticut.
Kyle, go ahead.
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Hey Alex, thanks for stepping it up and going the extra mile.
Um, I just have a question for, uh, I'm sick of these Reptoid, uh, Anunnaki, um, Nabooru people that are on your site.
I only censor people that call for violence, and then report me for the violence they post on my comments.
And we can make a registration tomorrow, but I tried to let people have First Amendment, and of course the moles come in, and then we kick people off who put links to porn, and they say we're censoring.
Again, it shouldn't be about me, folks.
This is the mental illness they've ingrained in us to only be able to talk about We're doing it right now, and then you try to fix it, but the more you talk about them, the worse it gets.
You notice for two hours with Hoffman, I talked about issues, and now we go to calls, and we can see I'm not attacking you, but that's one reason my show's been successful, is I've always shut this stuff down.
Well, I wanted to mention our website, revisionisthistory.org, and I'm not quite I know you're talking about some kind of smog that hits your website and everything, and that's certainly endemic to our movement.
The previous caller had mentioned the so-called Torah True Judaics, who have received a lot of flak for going over to Iran and participating in the revisionist conference.
But you have to understand that these are traditional followers of the Talmud and the fact that they do these things does raise the prestige of the Talmud and it doesn't change the nature, the Babylonian nature of the Talmud.
So we have to be aware and weigh in the balance whether this is a Trojan horse or not.
Well, basically, his book, Epicenter, it talks about Ezekiel 38 and 39, the war of Gog and Magog, and how Russia and Iran would have this alliance against Israel.
That's one of the guys I've heard on the show saying, we're about to have nuclear war, the Messiah is going to come, and he goes around all the Christian churches, just kidding him.
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Yeah, he's on Glenn Beck, and he's been on The Office and everything.
That's the takeover of the churches and making them believe they're going to make Jesus come by launching nuclear weapons.
It's a cold-blooded, secular manipulation of the Christians that have been going off of the new Bibles they've printed in the last hundred years that preach all this made-up rapture stuff.
Yeah, if Rabbi Rush Limbaugh is behind it, and I'm half-kidding when I call him a rabbi, but he certainly behaves like one.
If Rabbi Rush Limbaugh is behind it, you can be sure that when it comes to the Zionists or the Israelis, that this fellow is not a true Christian convert.
And I think you summed it up in a nutshell.
They're always trying to use the apocalypse or apocalyptic theories and pipe dreams.
In order to identify some enemy of the Zionists as being God's enemy, and also calling the Zionist state Israel, when it's counterfeit Israel, is bankrupt right from the premise.
Well, Alex, to be candid with you, I didn't know much about you until you invited me on the program.
I knew you had an important program because there were people who were telling me that he's very good on 9-11 and he's very good on this prison planet idea that what they're putting us through.
Mainly, I'd heard that You had said that what they're putting us through at the airports, they intend to expand from those airports out onto the streets.
I'd like to ask my supporters to write letters to GCN Network and thank them for For having the Alex Jones program on the air, and I hope that the people who read my books and listen to my tapes will, uh, listen, uh, patronize your advertisers if it's something that they feel is good or useful for them.
And, uh, I don't know, you know, I'd have to sit down and have a glass of beer with you to find out if we're on the same page on everything, but what I admire is the fact, and what I've gotten from you, and I'm sure you haven't tried to deceive me, if this is the real Alex Jones that I've been dealing with over these last two programs,
You have a love of the First Amendment, you have a love of freedom of expression, and you have a love of people like me who are... I'm a very marginal person, and I have a small audience, and yet I think that some of the information and research that God has made accessible to me Is extraordinarily important for the survival of our nation.
Well, I change some of my views, not my core views, not my core values, but I change views month to month, year to year.
I mean, we all grow, we all change, we all have experiences, we all saw the Israelis run that armored vehicle over that woman and laugh about it, American citizen.
You know, we all saw Bush say if I was a dictator, it would be a heck of a lot easier.
You know, there's a process here.
And that's why we have to, we have plenty of evil people we know are bad.
But we need to, again, be a little more genteel about everything, myself included.
But any comments or questions, sir?
I really got to go.
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Oh, very quickly.
I would say the movement, everyone needs to get together.
It's the movement, it's about the country, our future, stopping world government conspiracy.
Well, that's unfortunate then, because I think the Christians have to take the leadership, but they have to be authentic Christians and not Christians in name only.
And I certainly want to testify that I I love the Talmudists, and I ask God to reform them.
I certainly don't hate them.
I hate the sins that are committed, and I hate the crimes that are committed.
And as I said earlier, the Apostle Paul said, the ruler bears not the sword in vain.
For example, I'm in favor of capital punishment, as the old-time Christians were.
Right, but at the same time, the individual Israeli has got to be aware that they benefit from the colonialism and the oppression of the Arabs, and if you use the Allied World War II formula, That allowed the terrible Holocaust against the German people, the German civilians in all the major cities, and that's justified to this day by all number of ideologues on the right and the left.
Well, I mean, if God's kingdoms come to earth and everybody's happy and there's no more evil in the world or the devil's gone, I mean, in the Christian paradigm, that just is crazy.
I mean, I'm not mad at you, I'm not saying you're a bad person, I'm not saying you're going to hell, I don't get into these judging games, but the preterist thing has got to be even more ridiculous than the rapture crowd.
Well, I believe a great deal of prophecy was fulfilled in 70 A.D., but I believe there are also unfulfilled prophecies, but I think that it becomes a dead end for us if Christians who have good will, there's so few of us in this movement who are united on the big issues, And then we start tearing each other apart because one man is a praetorist and another man is something else.
I mean, I'm not really privy to this theological minutiae here.
I read the Bible and I don't really do this theological hair-splitting, which I think is almost a curse on Protestantism, with the factionalism and the subsects.
And the disunity, it's certainly fine if somebody has a theory about prophecy, but I hope that it will not become something that interferes with salvation.
You know, I had family, the Ayers family and others, you know, that raised Colonel Travis's son, you know, it's in the movie The Alamo, him dropping his kids off.
That's my mom's side of the family.
I mean, my whole family, you know, involved in the Revolutionary War for this state.
And on both sides.
And Ayers came here.
He was a Protestant activist in New York.
He sold the land that the U.N.
is on today.
He was wealthy.
Bought an entire ship full of Bibles, which was expensive.
Most of his money.
And he came into Texas.
The Catholics were going to kill him in Galveston.
And you know, the priest came after him.
This is when Mexico ran it.
Because he'd heard Protestants were being persecuted, he had to convert to Catholicism, at least on paper.
In fact, on my dad's side, we have Mexican land grants that even say that.
But, you know, nobody really followed it.
You know, to get the grant, you just sign your name.
And then they come to Nacogdoches, and then of course we're involved in the Revolutionary War here, starting all that.
And I'm not Catholic, but I don't hate Catholics, individually.
I mean, I think it's New World Order, obviously the Pope calls for it.
But I don't want to get in a fight over that, so I say, yeah, the Pope's New World Order.
Yeah, that's not what I'm into.
Yeah, you know, my family, you can go check it.
You know, the Hammonds, the Joneses, all of them Protestant.
I mean, Texas is Protestant.
And then they just say I'm a Vatican assassin, but the guy saying it says the Earth is on a string, floating, and the universe orbits it, and that flying saucers that Germans have have magnetic beams on Rosicrucian lines that zap people.
And they're like, you will interview this great genius!
And the person's a complete quack nut idiot!
You know, and I will not be part of it!
And I'm tired of these dumb inquisitors saying I'm a Catholic New World Order operative, which I have frankly found is a bunch of propaganda out of the Israel First crowd, and these idiots don't even know they're being handled by it!
I think that so many people, Alex, who call themselves Christians or not, I mean, just the spirit you're describing of ill will and resentment, I mean, the true Christian has a gentle spirit, A spirit of reconciliation.
A lot of people on the left who would call themselves atheists or who we might deride as liberals.
I have seen kindness and gentleness.
I was telling you about the reception that Finkelstein got at MIT.
Everyone was courteous, but he was challenged in the questions, and it was just a wonderful exchange.
And their movement, you know, people get into the left because they hear that it's for love and brotherhood and helping people.
A lot of people get into the right because they hear it's a way of preserving their coin collection and going to war.
You know, we have to be careful because the right wing and the left wing are two wings of a predatory, kabbalistic bird.
In Kabbalism, you have the pillar of mercy and the pillar of severity representing the right and the left, and it's a means of... Well, that's why they say it was Masonic with the two towers.
Yeah, we did a special issue of our Revisionist History newsletter on the occult aspects of 9-11.
In fact, Tex Mars borrowed the image that we used there from the tarot card, and you've probably seen it in Texas literature, we were the first to use it.
And that was of the flaming tower, with the people jumping off the tower, an exact recreation of an alchemical archetype.
And I wouldn't be able to do justice to our research on that, but if folks go to our website, we have the online store with the revisionist issues there.
Again, we're going back to Arthur C. Clarke, and it's kind of interesting how you and I have focused on that, because I mentioned it in passing, and you actually brought me back to it.
Yeah, you may recall that on New Year's Day of 2001, the obelisk from the movie 2001, Space Odyssey, appeared in Seattle, and no one knew where it came from, and then it just mysteriously disappeared.
Whether it was accidental, coincidental, synchronistic, it was certainly, from the point of view of symbolism, a very timely event to have that at the dawn of 2001, the 21 era, which both John Dee and Arthur C. Clocke forecast that 2001 was going to be a gateway into a completely different era.
But as you mentioned earlier, Alex, and it's important to emphasize it, These people are not all powerful.
They're very confident.
They've been virtuoso in the execution of their conspiracy, because we ourselves have been weak.
We have been faithless.
We haven't done what God has wanted us to do.
But if we ever do have the grace and fulfill the will and reason that God put us on this planet, then they can be defeated.
It may not be a total defeat.
But it can be a way of making this world a better place for our children, and that's what we need to do.
And we've seen their fallibility in Vietnam, and we're seeing it in Iraq as well, where they stumbled in there and didn't even have a plan for the occupation.
Feith and the other neocons were treating the Iraqis The members of the Ba'ath Party as if they were members of the Nazi Party.
They were practically recreating the occupation orders that were created in 1945.
Completely irrelevant to the situation in Iraq.
You've got a lot of dumb people at the top and you also have some brilliant wizard types.
But certainly God can conquer all of these if we will only allow him to use us as he wants us to be used.
And I mean, not fight the New World Order because we hate them.
Fight them because they're evil and they have to be defeated, and we have to protect the good people.
And their minions, don't hate them because the globalists use our hatred of them to scare them under the dark bosom, under the black wings of the New World Order.
Well, Michael Hoffman, thank you for spending time with us, and it's been an interesting discussion.
I hope it stirs people to think.
And to reflect on the different things that you've talked about, I know after five hours and ten minutes I am exhausted, so I'm out of here until this Sunday, 4 to 6 p.m.
Central Standard Time, and we'll have you back up in the near future, and I appreciate your time and research.