Bob Dacey, substituting for Alex Jones on October 16, 2007, hosts John McManus and Kelly Taylor to dissect the alleged North American Union and New World Order. They accuse the Council on Foreign Relations of acting as an unelected fourth branch aiming to exterminate 80% of humanity via FTAA and NAFTA, while guests claim secret meetings in Montebello and Banff were designed to erase national borders. The discussion links globalist agendas to biblical prophecy, alleging organ harvesting in China and defective Walmart imports, urging listeners to boycott foreign goods and contact representatives to defend American sovereignty against this supposed totalitarian takeover. [Automatically generated summary]
Once again, live from Austin, Texas, it's Bob Dacey substituting for Alex Jones.
Today is the 16th day of October, 2007.
And Alex is on the last day of his little mini vacation, and he will be back tomorrow, and then I can go back to selling toilet parts and things.
But until then, once again, I am here.
My name is Bob Dacey.
I am the host of the Simple Truth cable access TV talk show in Austin, Texas.
For those of you in the Austin area, it's on from 6 to 7 on Monday nights.
We were on last night.
And the show is produced by Kelly Taylor and Jeff Kantoff.
And we've been on the air.
We're in our ninth season now.
And we cover pretty much the same politically incorrect topics that Alex covers.
And as I said before, a couple of times in the last few days, I, you know, Alex Jones was the guy that woke me up to the reality of the New World Order.
And the John Birch Society was the vehicle I chose to Fight the New World Order.
Things have gone a long way since those many years ago when I first met Alex in my office.
I was trying to assess him and he was trying to assess me.
Gee, at that time when I met him in my office, I was giving him stuff that I was starting to look up.
For example, my son's high school textbook.
He was a senior at Anderson High School, and I looked at his government textbook, and right there they were teaching him that the Second Amendment doesn't mean what it says.
And so I showed a copy of that to Alex, and he said, Can I have this?
And I said, Sure!
And then that Friday night, he was on the air on his local radio show.
This was way before he got to be such a big deal.
He was reading it to an audience all over Austin, and I was thinking, Hey!
Hey, I got media power now, you know?
So I gave Alex stuff like that for a while and yesterday I talked about that Unidear article that I gave him many years ago where the United Nations disarmament arm was talking about making sure that civilians could not have military-style weapons and that would make it easier for the state to retain or regain the legitimate monopoly of force.
I talked about that yesterday.
And of course, Alex, at that time, was able to spread that all over his website and, um, like, hey, more media power!
And here I am now, 2007, sitting in the Central Texas Command Center here, deep behind enemy lines, at the microphone, talking to millions of people in the last few days, and now we got real media power!
And I'm just tickled pink about it, and I'm honored that Alex, um, Ask me to do this every once in a while.
I think it's great.
When he deserves a break and needs to take some time off with his family, well, gee, I'll be in here.
I can't resist the opportunity to spout off to that many people and give my opinions.
So, you know, yesterday I was bashing the UN unmercifully, as they deserve, and I talked about the fact that the Council on Foreign Relations started the UN, really.
I mean, they were the principal organization that got it going, said that over 40 members of the CFR were at the founding conference, and that the CFR member, Alger Hiss, was the acting Secretary General of the founding confab they had in San Francisco and that Alger Hiss had flown the charter over to Washington to have the president sign it real quick while it was still warm.
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I mean, they are, they're the behind the scenes people that actually make the UN work.
One of the callers was saying that the U.N.
is nothing but a shill group, you know, a puppet or whatever, a whipping boy.
Well, the people that make the U.N.
work are the people of the Council on Foreign Relations.
I kept talking to the guy about, well, who runs them?
Who runs them?
Who runs them?
And he thinks that there's a left-right situation going on when there's no such thing.
The fellow, one of the callers, was saying that it's those right-wingers and those neocon businessmen types that's causing all the problems.
And he said he was from the left wing.
Well, he doesn't get it.
You know, the left wing and the right wing are on the same buzzard, same bird.
And they're just, one's flapping one way, one's flapping the other one.
And that's just the way it is.
There is no left wing and right wing.
You know, we always talk about the true scale is liberty versus totalitarianism.
Anarchy versus totalitarianism.
No government, which is horrible, because everything falls apart, and then you get a big government to fix it.
And you get totalitarianism, where they tell you what to do, whether you're in Soviet Russia or in Adolf Hitler's Germany, it doesn't matter.
They run everything.
Whether they call it fascism or communism, it doesn't really matter.
You still get the boot in the face.
But somewhere along in there, there's something that works.
And what works is a limited government.
You know, the way we were raised here in the United States, that the government needs to be limited and chained down by the Constitution and split into three branches so that the three branches can split power and fight amongst themselves all the time and keep themselves weak so that the people can prosper.
And yes, we have democratic underpinnings, that's for sure.
You know, we democratically elect representatives to go to the House and to the Senate to supposedly to do their constitutionally restricted duties, although they seem to have gotten a little out of bounds in the last couple of hundred years.
And another important thing, it's very unpopular with people because they were they've been lied to all their lives about the word democracy.
Democracy is not what this country is.
We're a republic.
You know, in a democracy, hey, that's mob rule, ladies and gentlemen.
You know, and the mob's not too smart sometimes.
I'm sorry, the mob is just not too smart sometimes.
They want stuff, they vote for stuff, and all of a sudden, nobody has any stuff.
And then they vote themselves into an oligarchy, and then we're all in big trouble.
So, you know, we have Democratic underpinnings, but the whole point of the House and the Senate is to filter the will of the majority and to protect the rights of the minority.
And that's what a republic is.
And that's what we are.
And that's what we're trying to preserve.
However, my friends at the Council on Foreign Relations want just the opposite.
They want an oligarchy with them at the top and everybody else at the bottom.
And that's what they were founded to do.
Yesterday I talked about Edward Mandelhouse, Wilson's right hand man, his Henry Kissinger, principally one of the main founders of the CFR back in 1921.
And these guys have been up to mischief ever since.
Before I go into a little bit about the CFR, and of course I'm going to use one of their own documents against them, that's what I love to do.
I'm going to read a news report here which kind of relates.
This is from the Jones Report today, written by Aaron Dykes.
You can go to JonesReport.com and check it out.
Secretary Rice, CFR, usher in Pan-American community.
Trade agreements for Peru, Colombia, and Panama have concluded, forming an unbroken chain of trading partners from Tierra del Fuego to the Arctic Circle That will level U.S.
wages.
Boy, I'm excited now, aren't you?
Our wages are going to be leveled.
How about that?
This is a quote from Secretary of State Condoleezza Royce from the article.
Quote, the founding ideal of our Pan-American community, born across many centuries and carried by us still, is the hope that life in the hemisphere would signify a break with the old world And a new beginning for all mankind.
Gee, I just think she said New World Order in a little different twist.
A break with the old world, yes.
And a creation of a new system of international politics based on mutual respect and cooperation among independent nations.
Yeah, right.
Independent nations all linked together under a one world government are not independent, Ms.
CFR.
Condoleezza CFR, right?
And then we have another quote down here, apparently from her.
Today we are making a similar strategic commitment in our hemisphere to the success of our Pan-American community.
This commitment has begun in the last decade by leaders of both parties.
It is now being advanced further.
Well, you know, the John Birch Society many years ago talked about the dangers of NAFTA and to look out for the free trade area of the Americas, the FTAA.
And principally, because I am a member of the John Birch Society and I'm aware of what they know, guess what?
I was completely aware of the FTAA when I looked into the Trans-Texas Corridor back in 2004 and immediately recognized it for what it was, the Texas chunk of an infrastructure project meant to link the whole Western Hemisphere.
and And a year later, the Birch Society sent me to Waco to go to this conference at Baylor University, the Free Trade Area and the Americas Conference, and lo and behold, everything I knew was confirmed by the luminaries there.
They were talking about building a big superhighway system They needed the infrastructure to link the whole area together so everyone could participate in the trade area.
That was Dr. Supachai Panichpakthi, the former head of the United Nations World Trade Organization, said that.
So I, you know, we knew about it a long time ago.
We knew what was going on a long time ago, and of course now, seems like everybody's starting to figure it out.
And by the way, let me make an announcement here.
The second hour today, on the second hour today, you want to be sure and Stay tuned for that.
We're going to have John McManus, the president of the John Birch Society, is coming on, and we're going to discuss the Birch Society's efforts to stop the North American Union.
And then later on in that same hour, Kelly Taylor is going to join us.
Kelly Taylor, of course, locally, is one of the two producers of the TV show that I host, The Simple Truth, and Jeff Kantoff is the other producer.
And but in the Birch Society, Kelly is kind of like the official spokesman for the Birch Society on the subject of the NAFTA superhighway and how it relates to the North American Union.
So we're going to have a discussion with Mr. McManus first, then Kelly Taylor will join us.
And then after that, we'll probably take some phone calls and see how that goes.
So anyway, I digress.
That's OK.
I'm allowed to.
I got the microphone.
Okay, so we have Secretary Rice here, CFR member, talking about this Pan-American Union, which again, that's what the FTAA is, ladies and gentlemen.
They're trying to create this FTAA, this Free Trade Area of the Americas.
I guess they think the North American Union of Canada, the United States, and Mexico is a done deal, huh?
Well, I don't think so, but they do.
Now listen to this.
Here's Condoleezza Rice again.
She asked that U.S.
workers facing dislocation and insecurity update their skills and pursue retraining, suggesting that the role of community college in giving people a second or even third or sometimes fourth start on a different kind of career.
So yeah, we know you've got a nice career and you've been doing stuff and you've been making widgets and you've got this company and everything and well, we're going to have the slaves come in and make it instead and we're going to export your job to China and then that stuff you used to make is going to come through Lazaro Cardenas, Mexico up the trans-Texas corridor and be bought in the stores and you won't have a job anymore.
But hey, don't worry about it.
We're going to send you to community college and retrain you to take a crummy job.
And this will be good for you, America.
You don't really want a middle class, do you?
Come on!
And then apparently Mr. Bush, our imperious leader, makes this remark.
I understand that if you're forced to change a job halfway through a career, it can be painful for your family.
I know that.
That's why I'm a big believer in trade adjustment assistance.
It helps Americans make the transition from one job to the next.
The community college system, for example, will be able to train that person for jobs which actually exist!
Oh boy, Mr. President, I'm just getting so excited.
So you're doing this trade deal so that we can cream American jobs, destroy the middle class, and then we get government assistance to train for a crummy job, right?
You know, I envision a future in America, if Bush gets his way, that in order to get a degree, At an American, say, community college, you will have to learn this phrase.
Would you like some fries with that, sir?
That's how you'll get a degree.
You'll be able to, you know, work flipping burgers and that'll be your degree.
You can say, would you like some fries with that, sir?
And then, you know, if you, let's say you're really good at that, you know, you're really good at upselling with the fries, you know, well, then you can go back to community college And then you get a master's degree and in your master's degree what you need to learn how to say is you can supersize that with 39 cents you know that'd be great I mean you know America will be so dumbed down that that's what all we'll be able to do the problem is with my plan is
That those jobs are going to be taken by all the illegal aliens coming up here.
I guess the middle class is in big trouble, but hey, Condoleezza thinks it's a great idea.
Well, when we get back from our break, I am going to continue to bash Condoleezza Rice, the CFR.
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For the break, we're talking about Condoleezza Rice and George Bush and how great it's going to be to take out the American middle class and have them get government assistance to re-educate them for what we don't really know.
What kind of jobs are going to be out there since they're taking all the high-tech stuff and shipping it to India and they're taking all the manufacturing and shipping it to China and all the service jobs are being taken up by the illegal aliens So, I'm not exactly sure what all these high-tech jobs, I mean these jobs that President Bush say actually exist are.
I'm not real sure what those are going to be.
Maybe we can just, you know, sell each other services.
Okay, back to this article.
Here's another quote from Secretary Rice.
These trade agreements will benefit U.S.
workers and businesses enabling them to compete on a level playing field in new markets to create jobs and opportunity in our nation and to address the wealth of all in our economy.
What the heck is that supposed to mean?
I think that was what you call gobbledygook, I believe.
And then Aaron Dykes says, the meaning of a level playing field was not clarified, but perhaps it relates to former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan's recent call for lowering U.S.
wages and opening the borders on David Letterman's Late Show.
Now here's a quote from Alan Greenspan.
We ought to be opening up our borders to skilled labor from all parts of the world, because if we were to do that, we would increase the supply of skilled workers that our schools have been unable to create And as a consequence of that, we would lower the average wage of skills and reduce the degree of income inequality in this country.
Well, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.
Taking us down, taking our standard of living down, lowering our wages, letting foreigners have the job, exporting the stuff to China, bringing the illegal aliens in.
Hey, man, it's all great!
If you're a New World Order type trader to the United States of America, And, you know, there's another article here I'm not going to get into, but I just want to read the first couple of sentences.
This is from Scoop Independent News.
It was actually a press release from the U.S.
State Department by Condoleezza Rice, and it's her remarks at the Organization of American States, the OAS, one of those groups.
Here's her opening remarks.
I would also like to thank the Council on Farm Relations for hosting this event and for inviting me here to speak with you.
I have to say, I never have seen the Council's Washington offices, just despite the fact that I have been a member of the Council for many, many years.
Yes, Condoleezza Rice, you have been a traitor to your country for many, many, many years.
Now, I told you I was going to do a little CFR bashing.
I'm holding in my hand something that I got from the CFR a long time ago.
You know, Alex asked me to bash the CFR a little bit, so I dug in my goodie bag from a long time ago and I am holding the Council on Foreign Relations 1999 Annual Report.
This is an old one.
It doesn't matter how old it is because the organization has never changed.
They've always been a bunch of traitors and that's just what they are.
They're just a bunch of traitors and if you look in their annual report you can see the treason all over the place.
And you know I can flip around in this book and I can see that You know, some of the directors of the CFR back then were people like Rune Arledge, remember him, of ABC?
And George Soros, back then he was the director.
And Maurice Greenberg, George Mitchell, Warren Rudman, Jessica Einhorn, a lot of famous people.
Robert Zoellick, ever heard of him?
Yeah, how about that?
Richard C. Holbrook.
Very, very powerful people.
Very powerful people.
So, you know, oh yeah, and the director emeriti, one of them is David Rockefeller, the honorary chairman of the CFR, and we all know what David Rockefeller thinks about the United States of America.
You remember that quote that he made in his own book back in 2002, Memoirs, on page 405, he states that some people actually accuse his family of Being a part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States in order to form a one-world government.
And if you'll recall, Mr. Rockefeller said, if that is the charge, I stand guilty and I'm proud of it.
So when we come back from this break, we're going to clobber them with their own book.
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Anyway, okay, before the break I was talking about my friends at the Council on Foreign Relations, and I'm using their own book, their annual report, to illustrate what they're really all about.
They talk about some of the speakers.
Listen to this list of speakers from back then.
Madeleine Albright, Kofi Annan, now we all know about Kofi Annan from yesterday, you know, he supposedly was, he was, he's not, he isn't now, but he was the Secretary General of the UN.
And he freely admits, in his own words, that you don't have any rights.
Even your own press corps doesn't have any right to freedom of the press if they disagree with UN practices and policies.
You know, so Article 29, Section 3 really applies.
If you disagree with the UN, you don't have any rights.
Nurse Kofi Annan, he's one of the speakers before the UN, James Baker III, Henry Kissinger.
I mean, Henry Kissinger is like, you know, he's up for slimeball of the year every year.
It's amazing how he survives administration after administration, you know.
You got George Shultz, Bill Clinton, John McCain, John Kerry.
They're all in the club, ladies and gentlemen.
That's why, with the exception of, you know, Ron Paul, the real viable candidates for president are all hooked up with the CFR.
You know, they pick the candidates, ladies and gentlemen.
Except for Ron Paul, they pick the candidates.
It'd be nice if we could pick Ron Paul this time instead.
It's going to be interesting to find out how that goes, because the mainstream media, which these guys control, is having a hard time keeping his message from getting out, although they're trying their best.
There's cracks in their little shell, and we're putting them there.
So, anyway, that's some of their speakers that they have, and, you know, they have, there's a letter from the Chairman in here, and he talks about their wonderful things that they do, and I love this quote.
The debating and making of U.S.
foreign policy used to be a New York thing a long time ago, and then it was mainly a Washington matter, but as the world turned more complicated, and as an increasing number of interests asserted themselves It became clear that a national dialogue would be needed to create a useful and coherent U.S.
foreign policy.
And of course, that's what the CFR says that they do.
My question to these guys is, who elected them to represent me?
Where do they get, where does it say in the Constitution that we have a fourth branch of government, which is a bunch of, which is a bunch of unelected elites pulling the levers from behind the scenes?
Where is that in the Constitution?
But that's what they claim their role is.
You know?
As always, our new national members will be leaders in this country and will represent varied backgrounds, expertise, and political points of view.
Now that's a crock right there, representing political points of view.
What do you bet that the gun owners of America is not in the CFR, hmm?
What do you bet that the John Birch Society is not in the CFR?
What do you bet that Alex Jones would never be allowed to join the CFR?
All they want is committed globalists and camp followers and bootlickers to promote globalism.
That's what they're all about.
That's what they were founded to do, is promote globalism, one world government, and destroy The National Sovereignty of the United States of America.
Only thing you get socialist and totalitarian views is what you get.
You know, Dick Cheney, but Dick Cheney's a Republican!
So, well, George Bush isn't in the CFR, and he's too dumb to be in the CFR.
You've got to be smart to be in the CFR.
You know, you've got to be pretty crafty to be in the CFR.
Bush is a puppet.
He surrounded himself Or should I say CFR members have surrounded him to make sure he behaves himself.
All right.
OK, then they have a letter from the vice chairman.
And back then it was Maurice Greenberg.
And he says, for as far as I can see, the countries that could represent major strategic challenges, the United States are concentrating on economic growth.
I prefer particularly to Russia and China.
You think they're just concentrating on economic growth?
I've got news for you.
Although, yeah, they are.
That's part of what they're doing to go along with their military because their military owns everything.
I think there are good grounds to believe these nations will not become our strategic adversaries once again.
So as long as their leaders and people believe in their economic futures.
Yeah, so, you know, as long as the communist Chinese can make all of our stuff for us and take out our manufacturing base and help Mexico build big giant ports to bring slave goods into our country.
Hey, no problem.
And I bet you these guys don't have any problem with that either.
or Here's a good one.
The organization of our military forces and U.S.
defense policy have to be rethought, and the Council is involved in that, too.
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Yeah, well, who gave you the right to be involved in that?
And, of course, I remember that Ted Koppel did a series, a former member of the CFR, several years ago on Nightline, a five-part series meant to scare the snot out of the American people.
It was a big biological attack in New York or something like that.
They had a panel of CFR members all and a death toll with a clock going behind them of all the death toll of Americans dying because of this big biological attack in New York.
Oh, it was disgusting trying to scare the heck out of you into giving up your rights.
Okay, so then they have the president's reports, and this is what they do.
They recruit people from all parts of life to get in there and screw things up for the rest of us.
This was a President's Report written by Leslie Gelb many years ago and he says, we also have our International Affairs Fellows The idea is to take scholars and give them a year in government or younger officials and provide them with a year for reflection and research in a think tank or academia.
And they just, their people move in and out of government at will because they just, because it's, you know, the big, the big good old boys club, you know.
So they have tremendous political clout.
Okay, now let's see what else I got in here.
Just to give you a flavor of what the CFR is all about.
Oh, we have a little blurb about disarmament.
We have a United Nations Roundtable and these discussions seek to develop recommendations for UN leadership in setting new norms for human rights and disarmament.
Of course, disarmament, that means you.
That means you.
We talked about that yesterday.
You need to hear the United Nations Institute for Disarmament Research openly stating they want to take all semi-automatic weapons away from Americans.
And they want, again, in their own words, which we discussed yesterday, they believe, CFR believes, and their globocop, their machine, the UN believes, In government monopoly of force.
But the CFR, that's great because that's what they want.
Because they think they want to be, they're going to be the government.
So again, they're heavily involved in the UN disarmament stuff.
They have a rule.
When you're a CFR member, they have a rule called the Rule on Non-Attribution.
And basically what it means is anything that we talk about behind closed doors stays behind closed doors.
And they say, well, it's for a free and open discussion and you can't be revealing the stuff we talk about behind here to the press or anybody that might be talking to the press or a reporter or an author or anything because, you know, we'll kick you out.
This kind of reminds me of that old Charlie Rich song, No One Knows What Goes On Behind Closed Doors.
So you have a semi-secret group of people meeting in secret to discuss how to screw the United States over and you know that's just cool and their excuse is well we want open discussion and we don't want anybody to be embarrassed by what he might say.
I'm looking at their historical roster of directors and officers.
The first one that jumps out was Isaiah Bowman.
He was a director from 1921 to 1950.
Well, he was the guy who first proposed the U.N.
Isaiah Bowman!
That's him!
Right there!
You know?
So, you know, when you think U.N., you have to think CFR.
That's just the way it works.
And yes, the caller yesterday was talking about how the U.N.
can't do anything without the acquiescence of the American elite.
Well, that's true, you know, but he doesn't understand the American elite is left and right.
It's not just what he thinks is the evil right wing.
And, you know, I wish I had talked to that guy yesterday a little bit more.
He made me mad because he just kept spewing lies.
But what he doesn't seem to understand is that these elitists, which he was talking about, you know, these right-wingers can't stand communism.
But all you gotta do to prove that to yourself is go get a copy of Armand Hammer's autobiography, Hammer, by Armand Hammer, and go read it.
He goes over to Russia back in 1922 or whenever and meets with Vladimir and he falls all over himself.
There's pictures in there, me and Vlad!
You know, I mean, it's ridiculous!
He got the concessions to go over there and build pencil factories and asbestos mines and all this stuff and opened up a flood of these super-rich elitists, funding what?
The most diabolical, one of the most diabolical, evil, mass-murdering communists to ever exist on the planet?
Armand Hammer!
Yeah, you know, just don't believe me, believe them, okay?
Some of these other people, uh, April Harriman, he was a real good buddy with Joseph Stalin back in the day.
John McCloy, ooh, former chairman of the board.
John McCloy.
Man, that was the guy that brought all the Nazis over after World War II.
This is important to understand the membership percentage.
This is very important because it's not just super rich guys.
You've got people in business, including banking, mainly including banking.
26% of their membership back then was that type of people.
And we're talking about the heads of all the big corporations too, the big ones.
You know, they're CFR.
So then you've got academic scholars.
21% of their membership back in 1999 was academic scholars.
And that's very important.
You've got people like nowadays Robert Pastor, the guy who is one of the chief promoters of the North American Union.
He would be considered an academic scholar.
I would consider him a traitor.
CFR considers him an academic scholar.
Then you have nonprofit institutions, scholars, and administrators.
That's 20%.
Yeah, you know, with all these funds, Rockefeller Fund, Pew Charitable Trust, Carnegie Brothers, all these foundations which they set up many, many years ago so that they could get a bunch of money and not have to pay tax on it and use it for political advocacy.
These guys, and donate money to organizations like MECHE and the National Council of La Rasa and the American Indian Movement, and whoever else is going to stir up trouble in the United States, they get to do that.
So 20% of their membership is that type of people.
And then here you have U.S. government officials, 14% of their membership.
And now we're talking about roughly 4,000 people in the CFR now, and you've got 14% of their membership is government officials.
Now, how can you be a government official, U.S. government?
government official, who's supposed to swear an oath to protect and defend the Constitution?
How can you be that and then be a member of the CFR whose sworn duty is to destroy the Constitution?
I think there's a problem there.
There's a disconnect.
I don't understand how a government official can be a member of the CFR.
That seems to be like, you know, conflict of interest if you really want to represent your country.
And then another one, journalists, correspondents, and communications executives.
Oh, yeah, they got the press.
Ten percent of their membership, journalists, correspondents, communications executives, you know, because they want to control what information you have access to.
There's your CFR, ladies and gentlemen.
And we've got another break coming up.
And after that, we'll hit them a little bit harder.
And then at the top of the hour, we'll have John McManus.
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Tell all the folks in Russia and China.
Don't you know that it's time to get on board.
And let this train keep on riding, riding on through.
Yeah, we want to make darn sure that the peace train doesn't get derailed by the new world order because they're trying to drive this train which is our country over a cliff and wreck the whole thing.
So join in with us and try to stop these people because guess what?
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And, of course, the chief organization in the U.S.
that's trying to destroy the U.S.
as an independent nation, which is based on the constitutional rights and the idea that our rights come from God and that the purpose of government is to protect those rights.
That concept is going to be in big trouble, is in big trouble.
And the CFR, of course, is the chief organization within the United States that's pushing that.
I'm looking at their membership roster from many years ago, and it's just funny.
You look at some of these things, these people leap out of the page at you.
Madeleine Albright, remember she was the Secretary of State under Clinton, and she said, I think on 60 Minutes, that 500,000 Iraqi children dying because of our policies after the first Gulf War was a good price to pay.
You remember that?
I mean, you're talking about total scum.
Total.
Complete.
Scum.
Looking at a few more of these people.
Who we got?
Let me see.
Tom Brokaw.
You know, that's at the end.
You got all the big shot reporters.
are members of the CFR.
Barbara Walters is a member of the CFR.
Paula Zahn is a member of the CFR.
I mean, you know, just it's a joke.
You know, it's a joke.
Dan Rather is a member of the CFR.
Of course, he's kind of on the outs now.
But still, you know, they control the press, ladies and gentlemen, the mainstream press.
Zbigniew Brzezinski, he's the guy that wrote that book, The Grand Chessboard, about how we need to go over there and take over the Caspian Basin so we can get all that oil, and how we need to build a pipeline through Afghanistan, and how the problem is that Americans are too Democratic at home to be autocratic abroad and absent, something that shakes our sense of domestic security like a Pearl Harbor event.
Americans won't agree to us going over there and taking all that stuff over because democracy is inimical to imperial mobilization.
That was Zbigniew Brzezinski.
William F. Buckley, the guy so many conservatives think is a conservative.
Yeah, he's a member of the CFR.
Big Phony.
Dick Cheney, a member of the CFR, you know.
But he's a conservative!
No, he's not.
He's a globalist traitor.
You gotta get your terminology straight, see?
He's a globalist traitor posing as a conservative who likes to shoot lawyers in the face with a shotgun.
He was over there in Texas and he shot the lawyer in the face with a shotgun and the mainstream press all lied about the distance.
The guy had 200 pellets in his face and the shotgun he was using was a 28 gauge shotgun and Alex Jones went out and bought one and did some ballistic tests on it.
Sure enough, as we all knew to begin with, when you fire a shotgun at 90 feet, of that type with that many pellets in it, 28 gauge, you're going to get a spread of about five or six feet on those pellets.
But this spread was like 14 inches right in a guy's face unless he was using those lawyer-seeking shotgun shot.
Once again, this is Bob Dacey, the host of the Simple Truth TV show in Austin, Texas, a local member of the John Birch Society in Austin, Texas, a very rare occasional writer for the New American Magazine.
Substitute hosting for Alex Jones until tomorrow.
He'll be back on the 17th and you'll be able to listen to him again instead of listening to me.
I've been doing this for the last three days and I've been enjoying the heck out of it.
Before the break, I was talking about some of these CFR members that are on the roster, just to give you a flavor of the type of scum that infests this organization.
Actually, the whole organization is a roach hive, so you can't say they infest it, they just live in it.
Some people you wouldn't even think of.
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Jimmy Carter, James Earl Carter, is a member of the CFR?
Uh, the Rockefeller protégés back then, along with, uh, Zbig.
And, uh, you know, when he was running for president, he promised not to give away the Panama Canal, and the first thing he did when he got to be president was start the process of giving away the Panama Canal.
I mean, he used car salesmen in modern parlance, exactly what Cecil Rhodes intended when he set up the Rhodes Scholarship Program back over a hundred years ago.
He's looking for people like Bill Clinton, used car salesmen to con the rest of the world out of their assets and transfer them over to them.
Perfect, perfect man for that.
Who else we got here on this list?
We got Viet Dien.
Remember Viet Dien?
He was one of the authors of the USA Patriot Act.
You know, that thing which trashed the Constitution, which trashed the Bill of Rights to protect you from the evil terrorists?
Yes, Viet Dien is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Go figure.
Go figure.
Richard N. Gardner, I think he was the one who wrote that tome called Hard Road to New World Order or something like that.
I think that was him.
I could be wrong about that.
The deal about doing an end-run about national sovereignty is much more effective than the old-fashioned frontal assault.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
Yeah, they got Supreme Court members up there.
That's very, very, very dangerous.
I think there's three or four of them up there now that are members of the CFR.
That is very dangerous because when you have Supreme Court members, a member of an organization that's bound and determined to take down the U.S., that's a bad, bad situation.
Who else we got here?
Richard Holbrook, you remember him.
He was a U.N.
ambassador.
Jesse Jackson.
Yeah, Jesse Jackson is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
But wait a minute, he's a screaming black liberal elite person.
No.
He is not a liberal.
He's an elitist.
What he does is he keeps the black people down, making them think that they have to go through him to get anything.
You know, that's his job.
And Jesse Jackson is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
And of course, one of the big, fat, gigantic members of the CFR, of course, is Henry Kissinger.
You know, as I said yesterday, he's wanted in several countries as a war criminal, because he is one.
Henry Kissinger, who abandoned the US POWs in the Vietnam War and just let them rot.
The President of the John Birch Society is going to be up next with us.
We're going to talk about the Birch Society in general and the Birch Society's efforts to stop the North American Union.
This is Bob Dacey with Alex Jones, and I'll be back after the break.
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So we have the president of the John Birch Society in the liberal bastion of the whole state of Texas, and doing quite nicely on it.
I want to get into some of the basics about the society first, because a lot of people don't know anything about the John Birch Society.
Give us a rundown, like who founded it and some of the history.
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Well, Robert Welsh is a man who founded it.
He had written a book called The Life of John Birch about a genuine American hero in World War II.
And when it came time for him to form an organization that he felt needed to help inform the American people about what was really going on, he asked the parents of John Birch if he could use their son's name as a symbol, and that's how we became the John Birch Society.
And John Birch... That occurred in December of 1958.
So we're coming up next year, we'll have our 50th anniversary.
Everybody wonders, who the heck was this John Birch guy?
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He was a young Christian missionary from Georgia who had gone to China in 1940 to work for his religious convictions.
When World War II broke out, he volunteered for service with the American forces and became a legend in his own time.
As an intelligence operator, working behind the Japanese lines, he could speak the Chinese language.
He was not of very large stature and could fit very well into the Chinese population at the time.
So, he became extremely valuable reporting on rescuing downed fliers, including Jimmy Doolittle, by the way.
And, oh, so much about him that I could go on and on just to say that He was a legitimate hero, but he was killed ten days after the war ended in August of 1945 by Chinese Communists.
Yeah, now I want to remind people who might not know their history.
The Doolittle Raid was the raid where James Doolittle took some B-25 Liberators and bombed Japan in World War II.
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That was very early in the war, and the mission was a very dangerous one because they left from aircraft carriers They didn't have enough fuel to get back.
They were told to drop their bombs, to let the Japanese, they weren't going to get away with this, what they had done at Pearl Harbor and other places.
And then to fly to China, and when you run out of fuel, bail out of your plane.
What is the basic purpose of the John Birch Society?
Why was it formed?
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It was formed as an information agency, really.
But it was formed to preserve the American system.
We were immediately known as an anti-communist organization, which we certainly were.
But we were always more than that, more than just anti-communist, anti-any form of totalitarianism.
Communism, socialism, fascism, Nazism, any of those isms, and also opposed to a gigantic bureaucracy building in the United States that was taking our country into totalitarianism.
And this was foreseen by Robert Welch 50 years ago.
He was successful in alerting an awful lot of people to the problems that were facing our country, most of which were coming from within.
But the society got branded because we call it a conspiracy.
Yeah, that's one of those things that is interesting.
When I was a conservative Republican type, Which I was raised as a conservative Republican and in 1998 is when I actually started to wake up.
And again Alex Jones was the guy that actually woke me up.
I was trying to get a hold of a video of the Waco debacle, Waco Rules of Engagement, and I was at a gun show in 98, and I couldn't buy the thing at any of the stores.
Nobody would sell it to me.
Nobody would special order it.
Nobody would carry it.
And they all kind of took me aside and said, hey, man, we're not carrying that thing.
But I saw that video on this table at a gun show in Austin and I looked up and it said John Birch Society, Chapter 444, Austin, Texas.
And I was kind of like almost at that point like, well, I want to buy this thing.
I want to put it in a little brown paper bag and don't let people see me in front of this table.
You know, because all that I'd ever heard about the Birch Society was that right-wing extremist thing.
Can you explain this thing about why the Birch Society has been called right-wing extremists all the time?
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Well, you know, it's an old tactic.
If you can't answer the objections of your adversary, then start calling them names.
Lenin popularized that strategy.
So we would call every dirty name you could imagine.
Racist, anti-Semite, like the Communists, like the Klan, like... You know, anything you could say, none of which ever had any validity whatsoever, but it was said so often, and by so many prominent people, that a lot of Americans began to believe it.
One of the greatest of those who condemned the Burt Society was William Buckley.
And he did more to keep people away from the John Burt Society than any 50 Communists who ever lived.
And, of course, I was mentioning just before you came on that William Buckley is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
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Well, that's true.
And, you know, your initial reaction to the Birch Society is not too dissimilar from my own, but quite a few years earlier, in 1962, I was a devotee of William Buckley's magazine.
And I was waiting for him to comment about all of the huzzah I had heard about this John Birch Society had just been formed, secret fascist organization and so on.
So finally he came out with an editorial, and the editorial said that the Burt Society has a lot of good people in it, but they ought to get rid of that screwball Robert Welsh, who was leading it.
And I read that thing very carefully, and I jotted off a note to him and thanked him for it.
My golly, they published my letter in the magazine!
Because they did, a member of the Burt Society tracked me down, and he asked me, he said, are you basing your attitude on about the John Birch Society and Robert Welch on what the Society and Mr. Welch have stated or what others have said of them?
That's an awfully good question.
So I wrote back to the man, surprised him, and I said, if there's something you think I need to see, I'll be glad to take a look at it.
And there began what I call a torturous re-evaluation.
And I began to detect that William Buckley was not being honest about a lot of things.
So I started stuffing things in a file and I eventually wrote a book about William Buckley.
I had a similar awakening about the Birch Society.
I kept going... I had this booth at the gun show, from a hardware store.
I was selling... I wasn't selling guns, I was selling gun safes.
Little gun safes.
And the Birch Society always had a booth at the gun show.
And every month I'd go back and I'd buy another piece of literature off of that table.
And then I would take it and I would take it home and read it.
And I'm going, just wait a minute here.
You know, these guys are the crazy rotting extremist wackos, because I've been told that all my life.
But I kept reading the literature and fact checking the notes and whatnot, the footnotes, and I'm going, wait a minute.
These guys are preaching baseball, hot dogs, Apple Pie, Chevrolet Ford, Dodge.
Uh, waving the flag, uh, wholesome American stuff, uh, the, the, the Republic, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, strict construction of the Constitution, limited government.
I'm going, wait a minute.
That's what I was taught was the right way when I was growing up.
And I was trying to find this, the crazy right wing, famous wackos.
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Well, they can't handle it because it indicts people.
show and I have with me as my special guest John McManus the president of the John Birch Society and before the break we were about to talk about the c-word conspiracy what is it about conspiracy John that people just can't handle well they can't handle it because it indicts people way back in 1956 that's more than 50 years ago
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now J Edgar Hoover the head of the FBI at the time wrote an article for the Elks magazine and in it he said yet the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists quote That's pretty much what's happened to a lot of people in our country today.
But if you discount conspiracy as you look over history, you have to rewrite history.
Because history reeks with it.
So what is conspiracy?
Well, it's very simple.
It has three elements.
More than one person, secrecy, and evil.
If you have more than one person getting together, And they have a secret plan to accomplish an evil goal.
But he had made previous arrangements for press credentials.
And William Jasper, who also writes for our New American Magazine and I, we thought we could get press credentials when we got there.
We didn't.
They wouldn't give them to us.
They said the Royal Canadian Mounted Police have to do a complete background check on you and you don't have time because How long has the New American been published?
The New American started in 1985 and we had two magazines.
We had a monthly American Opinion, we had a weekly The Review of the News, and we merged them and came out with a whole new magazine and a new title called The New American.
Well, more so is to go back to September of 06, when you have a meeting held in Banff in Canada, way up in the Rockies.
Big resort hotel in Banff.
B-A-N-F-F.
And this is a meeting called the North American Forum.
Closed door meeting.
No press allowed.
Uh, who's there?
Well, only, uh, Ronald Rumsfeld and George Shultz and Carla Hills and, uh, U.S., uh, Deputy Secretary of State Shannon and a bunch of other people, uh, and counterparts from Canada and Mexico.
Well, somebody at the meeting decided he didn't like what he was hearing, and he blew the whistle.
A man named Mel Hurtig from Canada.
And he came out, and he brought out copies of the agenda that these people were talking about.
What were they talking about?
They were talking about integration of the three countries.
Very simple.
But this was a secret meeting, you see.
They weren't allowed to publicize it.
So, is that a conspiracy?
Well, if you believe that merging Canada, U.S.
and Mexico is a good idea, then it's not a conspiracy, because it's not evil in your mind.
But if you're like me and you believe that the Constitution of the United States and the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence are important, then destroying those is evil and that's a conspiracy!
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And, of course, they got the notes out of there, and they were talking about evolution by stealth, which sounds to me like a conspiracy.
policy.
What exactly is the problem with this North American Union, John?
What is the matter with a nice economic pact between Canada, the United States, and Mexico?
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Well, it's fine, you know.
They came up with NAFTA back in 1993, North American Free Trade Agreement, and that was the United States, Canada, and Mexico.
Now, at the time, the greatest trading partner of the United States was Canada.
Who needed it?
In fact, all during my lifetime, the greatest trading partner we've had is with Canada.
Who needed it?
But then you look into NAFTA and you find 900 pages of regulations.
Now, imagine calling something free trade when you've got 900 pages of regulations.
What you find is that this free trade and this whole free trade thing going on worldwide has very little to do with trade and very much to do with compromising the sovereignty of nations and bringing them under an umbrella organization, as has happened in Europe.
And some of the people promoting this North American Union, Vicente Fox for one, and several others certainly, have said that they want the United States, Canada, and Mexico to become part of an arrangement very similar to the European Union.
Well, look into the European Union and what do you find?
You find that this is the greatest concentration of political power in the history of mankind.
That's greater than Suleiman the Magnificent, or Hitler, or Stalin, or Genghis Khan, or you name it.
Anybody.
It's unbelievably important.
And a lot of Europeans are beginning to realize that their countries are no longer independent.
They now take orders from Brussels, the head of the European Union.
And this is what is planned For our country and for the entire Western Hemisphere.
A lot of people are talking about, well, what's the problem?
You have an old-fashioned idea about the sovereignty of nations and that this is passe in this modern globalized world.
What are you so afraid about?
What are you so afraid of?
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Well, I'm afraid that if you put all concentration of all power in any single repository, I guarantee you it will end up as tyranny.
And you could have a saint In the position of the leader of the world who would be shot and the man who takes his place would be a criminal and there would be tyranny.
So you got to go back to, you know, I believe that we're involved in a spiritual struggle and the spiritual struggle to me is one of the elements of it is to destroy individual nationhood.
Now where did nationhood begin?
I would guess a lot of your listeners are people who understand a little bit about Holy Scripture.
And you go back to the Tower of Babel and you find that there were some people trying to build a world government and trying to reach to the sky and supplant God Almighty and so forth.
So what did God do?
He confused the tongues.
The people could no longer all of them speak to each other.
And so some of them who could communicate went off and formed a nation here and others another nation here and another nation over here and so on.
Nationhood began at the Tower of Babel and the European Union's European Commission has published a poster which they say that they show the rebuilding of the Tower of Babel.
It's very significant.
Here they are saying in this poster that they want to redo what was attempted many hundreds of years before Christ at the Tower of Babel.
Well, one of the things that the New World Order crowd is always talking about in terms of promoting these arrangements, which they say, oh, it's nothing but an economic arrangement.
What's the problem with it?
They're always talking about how it's free trade, and you can't possibly be against free trade.
Well, I'm not opposed to free trade, as long as it's fair trade.
But what we see is not free trade.
What we see is, as I've mentioned previously, 900 pages of regulations in NAFTA.
The European Union has tremendous numbers of regulations.
I got a letter from a fellow in England.
They formed a small political party.
They're trying to keep England independent.
He said the European Union was sold to the British people as a trading agreement and has turned into a political union which is changing our basic laws and traditions.
Now, I wrote an article in the latest edition of the New American Magazine where I talk about free trade, what it is and what it isn't, and that's in our North American Union edition of the New American.
Anybody can get a copy of that by simply going to the web.
Go to thenewamerican.com.
The New American, all one word, dot com.
And you can download the entire magazine.
And we invite people to do that.
And you'll see in there that article by me about free trade.
I wrote another one about what America is supposed to be and how we're losing it.
But there's articles in there about The Trans-Texas Highway, the NAFTA Super Highway, there's articles about the European Union and so on.
What you need to do, everybody listening, you need to go to thenewamerican.com, thenewamerican.com, and download the merger and the making issue of the New American, and order some, go to the New American.
Get the magazine.
Order a bunch of them.
Go to the newamerican.com.
Go to jbs.org and get these things and pass them out to people who can think.
Speaking of authors in this latest edition, the North American Union edition of New American, we have another one of these people online.
Kelly Taylor is one of the producers of the Simple Truth TV show that I'm the host of here in Austin.
And Kelly Taylor is the author of one of the articles here in this new North American Union edition having to do with the NAFTA superhighway.
And Kelly and Jeff and I, Jeff Kantoff, the other producer of Simple Truth, we've been Well, first let me say it's quite intimidating to be following anything Mr. McManus has to say.
He can address the overall picture better than I ever could.
What do you want to add to our conversation about the importance of this NAFTA superhighway to this North American Union?
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Well, first let me say it's quite intimidating to be following anything Mr. McManus has to say.
He can address the overall picture better than I ever could.
But as you know, we deal with the Trans-Texas corridor issue as a microcosm of the bigger NAFTA superhighway.
There are so many things wrong with it on so many levels that they can't be covered in one show, but you know, I kind of chose three things I'd like to mention about it and Mr. McManus has addressed a couple of them already, that it undermines America's ability to compete trade-wise.
Free trade, as he said, has to be fair trade.
And under this scenario, the playing field is not level.
Everything is weighted against American interests.
And how the Trans-Texas Corridor plays into that scenario in this way is that it's providing the beginnings of the NAFTA superhighway
As a conduit for trade from China through the ports on western Mexico, one of which is Lazaro Cardenas, and that bypasses the ports on the west coast of America, which gives manufacturers a less expensive way to transport their cheap Chinese slave goods into America.
I said a lot there, didn't I?
Yes, you did.
The goods are cheap.
And that undermines American competition.
Well, it also undermines the truckers and the longshoremen who would deal with the products coming into the West Coast.
Of course.
Now they'll be coming in through Mexico.
You know, there was a meeting just recently in Denver.
A trade conference.
And they had some Mexican officials there.
One fellow who's the mayor of Ciudad Acuna.
It's across from Del Rio, Texas, I guess.
His name is Evaristo Lenin Perez.
Interesting middle name.
And he's very much in favor of all of this.
He wants a European Union-style merger of the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.
He's in favor of the superhighway that you're talking about, and so on.
And he's confirming all of the stuff that is being called a simple conspiracy theory.
He's confirming it all.
He recently has the former president of Mexico, Vicente Fox.
He's confirmed it all as well in recent appearances that he's made on television.
The Hudson Institute, a prominent think tank out of the New York area, has come out with a paper, a big white paper, called Negotiating North America, all about the Security and Prosperity Partnership.
And they're talking about integrating a creating a single market integrating the three countries and so on so I mean all kinds of people are confirming this and yet President Bush and his counterparts up in Canada refer to it as a simple conspiracy theory and they laughed about it no well they said it was something about all they were trying to do was make sure that they made sure that the what was it jelly beans were the same packaging We're getting all upset about it.
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That was the Canadian fellow, Harper.
He joked about it.
He said, we have Canadians who are producing jelly beans and Americans are producing jelly beans.
And if one can't sell the jelly beans in the other's country, then obviously we need some sort of cooperation here.
And so that's why you had the President of the United States and the President of Mexico and the Prime Minister of Canada working on the jelly bean problem, right?
unidentified
Yeah, we're working on the jelly bean problem.
That's right.
And, you know, what they're doing is they're really thumbing their nose at decent, honorable people who want very much to do the right thing.
When I was in Canada, I was reading the Ottawa Citizen, the big newspaper there in the capital city of the country.
There's an article by David Wilkins.
He's U.S.
Ambassador to Canada.
And right in the middle of his article he said, While conspiracy theories abound, you can take it to the bank that no one involved in these discussions is interested in or has ever proposed a North American Union, a North American superhighway, or a North American currency.
We've had a lot of interesting experience, Kelly and I did, back in July with the Texas Transportation Forum where we tried to get in as a local TV press to cover the thing as the future of transportation in Texas.
The TxDOT wouldn't let us in.
They wouldn't give us press credentials as local press.
So we had our backup plan.
We were with Gary Winoit, the editor of the New American, and so he applied for press credentials for us and they backed off.
And they said, OK, well, OK, we'll let him in for New American, I guess, even though the New American didn't meet their their criteria for what is press.
But we got in.
And what happened there, Kelly?
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Oh, that was just it, wasn't it, Bob?
When we got there, boy, the things we learned.
I tend to look at things on a real specific local level, but here's a couple of things that happened.
We learned that some of the people in the regional mobility transportation committees along the border that you spoke to, Bob, once again referred to the Rio Grande As a street with water in it.
As he wanted to erase the borders to facilitate the growing trade region of northern Mexico and southern Texas.
Incredible, isn't it?
Yeah.
And then we learned that so many of the transportation and security and engineering and financial interests gathered at the forum were really watching What was happening in Texas?
Because as it goes in Texas, so will it go in the rest of the country.
Washington is watching the legal ramifications and the legislative happenings regarding the portion of the Trans-Texas Corridor to set policy on how they develop the remaining Yeah, it all figures.
And of course, this is why the border has not been closed.
Mr. Bush went on television, I think it was in May of 2006, and he very loudly proclaimed his intention to shut the border down.
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He was going to have electronics eavedropping and drones and all this kind of stuff.
And of course it hasn't been done.
Congress passed the law, gave the funding and everything else to build a fence down in Southern California area.
About 10% of it has been built and it's not going to... I saw an interesting piece today in the New York Times and that is that people who want to leave Cuba are not heading across to the Keys in Florida or to Miami.
What they're doing now is they're going to the western part of Cuba and they're going over to Mexico And then they come up through Brownsville, Texas and into our country.
And Cubans are allowed in our country.
And so, as soon as terrorists figure this out, they're going to start coming in through, uh, go from Cuba to Mexico and then into our country that way.
Because the border is just, remains completely wide open.
Imagine five years after 9-1-1, the greatest terrorist attack on our country ever, the border remains open.
Yeah, that shows you they really don't care too much about our national security at the federal level, do they?
Okay, once again, we're up against a break.
And after this break, we will return on the Alex Jones Show with our special guest, Don McManus, and we also have Kelly Taylor, writer for the New American, on the subject of the NAFTA Superhighway.
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This is Bob Dacey, back substituting for Alex Jones' show on the Alex Jones Show on October the 16th, 2007.
Substituting for Alex who is going to be back tomorrow.
Fear not, the Info Warrior himself will return tomorrow and I'm sure he'll be rested and ready to re-engage the New World Order crowd as he has done So vociferously for the past several years, and again we have John McManus, the president of John Birch Society, and Kelly Taylor, writer for the New American, we're talking about the North American Union, NAFTA Superhighway,
John, how do you fight the inevitability argument?
I mean, I've been hearing this from so many people.
You look around, these people are just completely ignoring the Congress.
They're completely ignoring the Constitution.
They're building all this stuff.
They're doing all these deals.
Walmart's doing the deal down there at Lazaro Cardenas to expand the port.
They're doing it come hell or high water.
Pushing these toll roads through to fund the SNAP, the superhighway system.
And we just keep trying to stop them.
And what I hear from people is, it's inevitable.
There's nothing you can do.
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If those people had been in charge 220 years ago, we'd all be speaking British today, wouldn't we?
And the idea that has to be implanted in people's minds is that history is made by the dedicated few.
For good or for evil.
We intend to make it for good.
Evil is always organized.
The good people usually say, well, you know, I just want to go about my business and mind my own business.
And some people like you say, say it's inevitable.
No, it's not inevitable.
It can be stopped.
And that's what we intend to do.
So what we do is we publish a lot of information.
We go on radio shows.
We put out videos and DVDs now.
And we have every kind of educational tool you could want and imagine.
And we ask people to take a look.
And if there aren't enough people who get indignant, who get angry about what's being done to them and to their future and for their kids and grandchildren, then, indeed, we are lost.
But I don't believe that's the case.
I believe that there are plenty of Americans left who we can energize and organize, and that's what we want to do in the John Birch Society.
So, once again, this is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones and we're going to be back, oh, I don't know, after a very short break to continue this discussion about the North American Union edition of the New American and what you people can do to get a hold of it.
Read it, spread it around, and help stop this North American Union.
Just stop the train wreck before it's too late.
Because, believe me, you don't want what's going to happen after that.
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You want answers?
Well, so does he.
He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
One of these days that canned announcer is going to have to get it straight.
It's live from Austin, Texas, Bob Dacey substituting for Alex Jones.
Okay, we're talking with John McNeister of the John Birch side again with Kelly Teller.
Kelly, I wanted to give you a chance to give your two cents worth about some things that people can do to help stop this North American Union.
What are your two cents worth on that?
unidentified
You know I've been waiting for this opportunity.
Well, here you go!
My favorite thing to do is tell people, encourage people to do some things in their everyday, daily lives that can really strike a blow if enough people do it.
And I know you get tired of listening to it, but here we go again.
The first rule of battle, of course, is if you're in a hole, stop digging.
And how do we do that to stop this influx of Cheap Chinese slave goods that are fixing to create a tsunami of freight in our country.
And it doesn't sound like it's a very sexy thing, but it's got a lot of teeth.
And it's hard to get people to do that kind of thing, and it's inconvenient, and it hurts, and all that.
But we need to really not support these barbaric regimes that are going to sell the rope, or we're going to sell them the rope to hang us with.
And the second thing, which is very important, is keep in contact, on a first name basis, with your representative.
You know, our guy is sick of hearing from us, isn't he Bob?
It's an important thing and I want to share some numbers with people here.
It really takes so little to have an influence on your representative.
At the state level, your state representative usually realizes he's got an issue stirring in his district if he gets as little as a couple of dozen letters from his constituents.
That's 24 letters.
That's not very much.
At the national level, a representative pays attention if he gets 100 letters.
And it's becoming more important, even for those people who monitor these things and tell us how this works, that phone calls to the local offices of your representative, not the Washington office, but the local office, are becoming more and more important because they know they're more on the ground That's not a bad idea.
Not a bad idea at all.
and they relay the messages to the representatives in Washington.
Handwritten letters are still given top priority by the offices.
And speaking of phone numbers, I want to give out the phone number.
We're going to be taking some phone calls here in the next segment or two.
The number to call if you want to get involved, if you want to talk to John McManus, Kelly Taylor, and myself about this subject of the North American Union, the number is 1-800-425-425-425. 1-800-259-9231. 1-800-259-9231 to get the number is 1-800-425-425-425. 1-800-259-9231. 1-800-259-9231 to get involved on the Alex Jones Show.
Once again, Bob Dacey, substitute hosting for the inimitable Alex Jones.
You might want to check out his new website, truthnews.com.
That's a great website to go to.
But also, while I'm on the subject, what you need to also do is check out www.jbs.org.
They've revamped that website recently, that's the John Birch Society website, and they have a news feed up there, and they post articles that the Birch Society considers to be most important to read.
So, if you go to www.jvs.org, you'll be able to look at the John Birch Society news feed.
It's similar to, say, WhatReallyHappened.com, and Alex's new one, TruthNews.us.
So, you want to check that out.
Okay, we're going to be taking a few calls here.
Uh, and we'll just see how it goes here.
We have, uh, up first we have Richard in Alabama.
Richard, are you there?
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Hi.
Uh, one of the reasons that the United Nations supported our invasion of Iraq is that the UN claims a security interest in all of the subsurface Iraqi oil, the theory being that Iraq violated the United Nations inspection regime, and so Iraq owes, uh, Penalties and interest, which will be collected in oil, and I guess they're astronomical by now.
So wouldn't it be a good idea to just pull completely out of Iraq and give all the oil back to Iraq so the UN can't get that money?
Well, I've been asked on a lot of radio shows, what should we do about Iraq, and I always say, if we can get all the troops home by midnight, that would be soon enough.
You sound like Ron Paul there, John.
unidentified
Well, Ron's a good friend.
I've been with him on many occasions.
He's spoken at a lot of the Bert Society functions.
He said, uh, the United Nations, I forgot how he phrased it, but what he needs to know is that the day after we went into Iraq, back in March of 2003, our U.S.
ambassador, Jan Negroponte, he was the ambassador of the U.N.
at the time, he delivered a letter to the Security Council stating, uh, the Security Council resolutions that authorized, that was his word, that authorized what the United States was doing in Iraq.
However, the Birch Society and the latest issues of the New American has been giving Ron Paul a whole lot of favorable press.
How do you explain the two different philosophies?
Well, what we do is we comment on the news of the day, and Ron Paul's run for the presidency has been... It's already attracted a lot of the people that you never would have guessed.
He has raised all kinds of money, he has attracted a tremendous following via the internet, and for us not to report on that kind of a news event would be derelict in our duty.
There's a North American Competitiveness Council that is part of the SPP, NAU structure, and corporations, Walmart, Ford, General Motors, all of these big corporations, they've sold out.
unidentified
They don't have any loyalty to our country.
Their loyalty is off to the bottom line.
So they're more of a factor than you would say, than the CFR and the Bill of Rights.
Most of the leaders of these corporations are members of the Council on Foreign Relations.
But they never had this kind of power that they do now.
You know, you go back to 1952 is the first time that the Democrat and Republican nominees for president were both members of the Council on Foreign Relations.
And almost every year since then, every four years when we have a presidential election, you've got a candidate from the Council on Foreign Relations, or you've got somebody who's surrounded by people who are from the Council on Foreign Relations.
So, I like your attitude about things not being inevitable, and I agree with you totally, But, as far as the presidency is concerned, we say we take our country back through the House of Representatives.
Or the Department of Education, or foreign aid, or undeclared wars.
If the House of Representatives will not originate the bill to fund any of that, there's nothing the Senate, the President, the Supreme Court, or the New York Times can do about it.
Get your congressman and tell him you don't want this North American Union, and you don't want this NAFTA superhighway, and you don't want the Amaro, and you don't want all the other garbage that goes along with it.
And believe me, they pay attention when they think you're looking.
When they think you're not looking, they'll do whatever the heck they think is in their best interest.
Well, good.
Boy, when they think you're looking, they pay attention.
They jump through hoops.
I mean, look what happened two months ago when our article hit the New American Internet site, when we said that tech stocks have been caught lying about the NAFTA superhighway.
They wanted a federal government to fund, to let the states toll the interstate highways.
When we put that out, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison herself went up there and said, oh, I'm going to introduce a bill before the Senate to stop the federal government from ever giving interstate highways back to the states so they can slap toll roads on them.
Kay Bailey is a member of the Council on Farm Relations, and she thought, well, this is a good idea to show that I'm trying to stop the tolling of the interstate highways and make herself look at them.
Well, fine, great!
Let's put her feet to the fire and make her do it, not just talk about it.
Because I'm fortunate.
unidentified
You might remind your Texas listeners, since it's all about Texas, of course, right?
Of course, everything's about Texas.
Although it's not quite obvious on the face of things when you kind of dig into the issue, which is what you and I do, Constituent pressure was probably 100% responsible for Our legislature backing off of the Trans-Texas Corridor this last session.
We had that big march up the Congress Avenue to State Capitol and these big hearings and everybody was mad about this Trans-Texas Corridor and our local officials, our local legislators went, uh oh, I think they got woke up.
I think we better maybe do something about this if we want to keep our jobs.
unidentified
Well, Ann, Bob, you and I and many others were in their offices.
There was a case in 1941, in the judgment by the, or the opinion by the federal judge, that a conspiracy can be a party of one who can or cannot manipulate the parties of two or three.
I think that your guest needs to research and find that particular case because it doesn't need more than one party.
It merely needs one party.
You can have your conspiracy.
The second thing is that a few weeks ago I bought some socks from Walmart and they gave me a tremendous rash on my leg.
You want to hold that thought, we'll pick you up after the break.
This is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones.
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What was that Dave?
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It sounds kind of simple but it's very very basic and it can affect and it does affect every person in this country because we all buy from the same stores whether it be Walmart, Target, Kmart, Sears and Roebuck, Penny's, Goody's, any of them.
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And you know, we've unloaded a lot of deadbeat worthless machinery onto the Chinese who have only one customer and that's us.
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How does that help or harm the lower income individual?
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And if you're standing in a store, you know, having an argument with whether I should buy the Chinese product or the American-made product, and you're standing in a Walmart doing that, you've got a whole other problem.
Because Walmart, in addition to just, you know, being China's main customer, Is expending a fortune investing in the deep dredging of the port at Lazaro Cardenas in order to increase its ability to import Chinese goods?
Walmart, the Mexican government, and the Chinese are all involved in that port of Lazaro Cardenas.
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Okay, once again, we're up against a break, and after we get this break done and sell some soap or whatever, we'll be back with John McManus, the president of the John Birch Society, and Kelly Taylor, our writer for the New American.
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We've been discussing North American Union with John McManus, the president of John Birch Society, Kelly Taylor, writer for The New American, and I think we have Ray in Arizona up next.
Well it turns out that what it's about is that this is going to be the headquarters for the Middle East Free Trade Area.
The only part of the world that doesn't yet have free trade zones that are compromising the sovereignty of nations is the Middle East.
And they're building this so that they can then begin to entice some of the other countries, including the oil-producing countries, into this new free trade zone.
Which will compromise their sovereignty and then make it easy for them to be brought into the New World Order.
Yeah, you've got to merge every single segment of the globe into the New World Order for it to become the New World Order, and you wonder where all the violence is in the world.
It's where the people are resisting it.
Right, and it's for this that two, three, five, seven Americans are dying every day over in Iraq.
You know, I'm in my 20s, and I've been living in New York for 10 years, and it's been a strange time to be here.
And I know I can tell you gentlemen are, you know, more from the 50s or around the Cold War era,
And I was wondering, you know, Mr. McManus, I know he served in the military, and I was wondering what he thought about people like me that have grown up in my whole life distrusting the government, and I personally won't serve for these, you know, I don't even believe that these are sovereign forces that I would be enlisting in if I joined the military.
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And people from your generation that fought in Well, I can't say I blame you.
I wouldn't want to be part of building the New World Order for these people with my life on the line.
coward or anything like that or how do they feel about some people in my generation that refuse to fight well I can't say I blame you I wouldn't want to be part of building the New World Order for these people with my life on the line no I wouldn't want that either but you know there are other ways of fighting for your country and of course the way I recommend is to be involved in an organization that has a chance to be able to turn this thing around and That being the John Birch Society.
Well, you know, you're like a lot of the young people that are signing up into the Ron Paul revolution, I guess he's calling it, and that's very, very helpful and very encouraging to me.
That and the growth of the private homeschool movement is also a very big encouragement to me.
And the fact that the John Birch Society is becoming more recognized for what it really is rather than the caricature that's been placed on it, that encourages me as well.
So there's a lot to be encouraged about and we just keep working as hard as we can and praying as hard as we can and we do it at the same time.
So you're saying that when you buy from Communist China, where they have a bunch of slaves as their employees, that you are participating in a false free trade?
Well, the first thing I did, that lady Kelly was right.
My mother found this thing for third.
I was introduced to this 30 years ago.
I used to subscribe to American Opinion, before it was the New American, and Spotlight, a lot of stuff.
So I have a general understanding of what's going on.
But, you know, the lady was right.
Unless you're actually poor, buy American.
There's sites, you can Google it in on your computer, and you can locate sites and things like Carhartt's, Uh, the shoes that are all made in America, you know?
There's a lot of products, and they're consumed in a very competitive and good.
Uh, in any event, what I want to say to you, Bob, yesterday I heard that guy, John, you know, the misinformed guy?
Well, he, you know, there's a lot of people I've run, over 30 years I've run into this.
You know, my family, some of my family think I'm cracked, and that's their problem.
You know?
I sure don't come to me when, you know, that stuff hits the fan, but, uh, What I would have said to him is that, this is the book that opened my eyes, Wall Street, he was falling for the false paradigm, left-right, and he didn't understand, which you tried to explain to him, but to me, what opened my eyes was, and it blew my mind, I didn't like it 30 years ago, was that Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, when Anthony Sutton explained how monopolistic capitalists
Uh, more money went to the Bolsheviks.
It wasn't a popular uprising of the people.
A lot of nonsense.
You know, so whether it's left or right, it really doesn't make much of a difference.
My question to John, and here's what I see as a very big problem.
But in any event, you know, there was a guy out here in the island that had a chapter for the JBS, you know, over in Winebench, in a factory over there.
Navy guy.
But any which way, without people being educated, you know, I've heard Alex a few years ago, and I'm not saying it's right.
You know, my grandpa was a so-and-so-and-so.
You know, I think he thinks different now.
You know, Tex Mars, I don't know what you think about it.
Everybody's got their own degree of extremism.
But the one thing, when these people are grouped together like this, it's a very powerful bunch.
You don't need that many people.
It's like the sleepers they claim are in Oklahoma.
I've been a member of the John Burke Society for about nine years and up until recently I always felt like we just continue to fight, continue to fight, and we keep backing up.
We're doing a delaying action whenever, backing up, backing up.
I kept fighting, kept fighting, kept doing my thing.
But now I feel as though the tide is starting to turn.
I feel like we are advancing and the New World Order crowd is backing up now.
and I think in large measure it's because of the American people waking up to this North American Union because it's so in their face.
And, of course, the Birch Society is vanguard in this.
I mean, they're right up there on the front lines fighting before just about anybody.
Of course, I would put Alex Jones in that same category, too.
I was thinking, as the gentleman was talking, that the same thing I said at our chapter meeting a couple of nights ago, that I am very encouraged, as is Mr. McManus, over how easy it is to get people to listen these days compared to 40 years ago.
I have kind of an unusual position of having been I've been a de facto member of the Birch Society all my life.
The level of concern and awareness is very much raised over how little it was many years ago.
Largely due to the internet, I think, but dedicated birchers who have kept in the fight.
You just can't go anywhere without being able to get somebody's attention.
We've been fighting this trans-Texas corridor thing down here in Texas and we think we're the front lines of the infrastructure battle against the North American Union and we have made some tremendous, tremendous progress.
And the rest of the country is I'm grateful to what you folks have been able to do in Texas.
Yeah, you've got those people in Oklahoma up there marshalling to stop that thing if it ever gets through Texas.
I mean, it's an awesome thing.
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So, people who have been born and raised in this luxury that we have here in the United States, the freedoms that we still enjoy, they want to pass it on to their children and their grandchildren.
A lot of them better get involved, and I mean fast.
Yes, sir.
Because we're running out of time and the forces of evil are consolidating and they have their plans all set, but they can be defeated and that's the point that I want to leave.
Thank you, John, very much for coming on the Alex Jones Show.
I appreciate that and he's absolutely right.
You go to jbs.org, go to thenewamerican.com, download this copy of The New American.
Spread it out to everybody you know because we are in a battle that we cannot afford to lose.
This North American Union comes along.
Everything else is going to be nothing because we're going to be gone.
There won't be a U.S. anymore.
And so you've got to get involved.
And I want to thank John McManus.
I want to thank Kelly Taylor for coming on the show.
And lastly, I want to thank Alex Jones once again for allowing me to come in here on a relatively regular basis now and sit here in the Central Texas Command Center deep behind enemy lines fighting the New World Order and giving Alex Jones the Info Warrior Par Excellence I want to thank Alex Jones once again for allowing me to come in In the Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, fighting the New World Order, and giving Alex Jones the Info Warrior Park Salons a chance to recuperate.
He will be back tomorrow, and I'm sure he'll be full of vim and vigor, and I guess what I want to sign off with here, this is Bob Dacey for Alex Jones, Alex Jones Show, and saying Death to the New World Order!