Alex Jones hosts Paul Joseph Watson and John Sanders to dissect alleged government conspiracies, including the arrest of a Florida five-year-old for felony charges and the placement of cameras in school bathrooms. They analyze a "hit piece" by Sanders regarding Jones's course "9-11: The Road to Tyranny," accusing him of guilt by association while Jones alleges the Bush administration is run by Trotskyites linked to Leo Strauss. The broadcast promotes documentaries like "Police State 3" and argues that mainstream media demonizes them as terrorists, suggesting a predatory state targeting children and homeschoolers under a New World Order agenda. Ultimately, the episode frames these events as evidence of systemic tyranny rather than isolated incidents, challenging viewers to question official narratives about 9/11 and domestic surveillance. [Automatically generated summary]
Massive broadcast lined up for you today as we resist tyranny and defend liberty.
I'm Alex Jones, your host.
It is the 25th day of April, 2005.
Paul Joseph Watson will be joining us for his weekly report coming up in 30 minutes from PrisonPlanet.com.
And in the middle of the broadcast, in about an hour and a half, we'll be joined by this individual, this researcher, John Sanders.
And he's going to be coming on to talk about the piece he did about myself and others concerning 9-11.
And his main focus of his attack was on the professor that has the class entitled, 9-11, the Road to Tyranny.
and uh... he basically in here implies the bohemian grove doesn't exist that we believe aliens kidnapped presidents uh... it's uh... pretty ridiculous stuff but i do have to commend him, I talked to him this morning on short notice and he agreed to come on uh... and uh... most of these people when they attack us like William F. Jasper at the Neocon New American refuses to come on and uh... defend themselves when they attack us so
We have to commend him.
We have to commend Ann Coulter for coming on.
And of course I cleaned the floor with her.
We have to defend all of the people who at least will get in the arena with us.
That will get down on the gridiron with us and engage in the information war.
We have the truth and they have, well, The twisting and mindless labels that they engage in.
But it doesn't work.
We're winning the fight for the hearts and minds of the people.
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We are engaging the New World Order and the Federal Reserve at point-blank range.
And we are winning.
They are losing.
That's why we are being bombarded by major publications now on a daily basis.
Good!
Send people to us, they'll find the truth, and you will lose even more of your control over us, New World Order.
You're being forced to fire on us, and by firing on us, you only illuminate what we're doing and the truth we're bringing forward, and you're going to lose.
When we get back, I want to get into the weekend and today's news, and I want to start off with five-year-old arrested in Florida on felony charges.
I didn't cover this Friday because I haven't seen the video yet.
We have the video posted on PrisonPlanet.com.
Five-year-old arrested, supposedly throwing a fit and assaulting people.
And she was engaging in little spats that brats always engage in.
Absolutely nothing.
And I want to analyze this and talk about the prison planet.
How normal behavior, normal bratly behavior exhibited by many children is now being made criminal, now being made felony.
And on top of it, it shows how surveilled these classrooms are with cameras in every classroom.
Many times, though, this backfires on the globalists.
But there is so much coming up.
FEMA's inspectors include criminals.
Agency relied on them for honest reports.
Time and time again, at the head of CPS, at the head of FEMA, at the head of any agency you can imagine, we have convicted hard-core criminals running things.
Who else can the globalists rely on to be ruthless?
Who else could Stalin rely on?
Who else could Hitler rely on?
But criminals!
We shall return on the other side of this quick break and plunge End of the news.
And just two great guests coming up.
And I salute Mr. Sanders for having the courage to face me in the next film.
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I have the distinction of being attacked by the New York Times, The Washington Post, ABC News,
The ADL, the Southern Poverty Law Center, the New American Neocon Fake Patriot Magazine, American Legion, Vanity Fair, Popular Mechanics, the list goes on and on and they're all establishment lackeys.
They're there to defend this corrupt system that feeds upon our innocent population.
We know that the government has basically bought and paid for the controlled media.
We know that thousands of reporters have been paid in cold hard cash to lie and twist and push an agenda of control across the board from toll road cameras to the faith-based initiatives to pay off the churches and federalize them To, of course, subjects like No Child Left Behind, to Federalized Control of Your Children, to the New Freedom Initiative, to Force Psychologically Test and Force Drug, or to promote the National ID Card.
But tens of thousands of other reporters are just useful idiots that parrot the establishment line, that actually believe the propaganda they're spewing.
But they've got a problem.
The Dallas Morning News, one of the biggest papers in the country last week, reported In the last year alone, a 13% decrease in its circulation, and they're on the verge of being indicted now by the District Attorney, according to Texas Television and Newspaper reports, for lying about their circulation.
Looks like it's worse than that.
Major papers in the last decade have lost over 60% of their circulation.
Broadcast TV and even cable TV has lost about 45% of its viewers.
And it's accelerating.
While at the same time, websites like Infowars.com receive millions and millions and millions and millions and millions.
I don't know, all four sites combined, it's something like 10-15 million a month, depending on what month.
And I'm one of the smaller sites compared to some of the others that are out there.
Unfortunately, we've seen some of these sites being bought, being taken control of, and suddenly spewing neocon or controlled liberal paradigm propaganda.
But the readers instantly recognize it and shift to the other tiers of sites.
You're losing New World Order and you know it.
That's why you're carrying out terror attacks.
That's why you're trying to put up your control grid.
Your time is running out.
But I don't know if William F. Jasper at the New American is a neocon government agent or if he's a useful idiot.
I tend to think he's a useful idiot because I was an urban warrior in 1999 as thousands of Marines and foreign troops practiced taking over the city, practiced gun confiscations, and there I was on a hill overlooking thousands of troops Just 50 yards from the troops doing mock gun confiscations, and I look to my right, and there's William F. Jasper, who's just written a savage, hateful, uh, larcenous hit piece on myself.
Mirroring, uh, basically parroting the popular mechanics of this info.
Uh, government op.
And we've now got enough evidence to prove that's a government op.
And I walked over to him, he had a backpack, and I said, you know, I was just on the radio today and I was covering this, here's the Associated Press from a few months ago where Delta Force tried to bribe the San Antonio Police Chief, I have the video of it, and tried to run their urban warfare drills there with black helicopters.
And he said, thank you, and took it.
And of course they'd written articles denying black helicopters existed, saying it was a conspiracy theory, all they are is special forces Black budget, black off operations, telecom folks.
And a month later I opened up the New American and there was the exact AP article.
So when I was able to deliver the proof, the admissions, to his hands it was in their newspaper, in their magazine.
So maybe they're just ignorant.
I know Popular Mechanics isn't though.
Perhaps this academic, this researcher, Who I've got to say has done a ridiculous job of attacking me.
I mean, it really has got so many holes in it, it's worse than Swiss cheese.
John Sanders, maybe he's just ignorant.
John Sanders is a policy analyst at the Pope Center for Higher Education Policy.
Also part of the John Locke Foundation, when I called, that's who answered.
He researches and writes about public policy issues affecting colleges, universities in North Carolina and across the country.
And I believe I interviewed him about three or four years ago, and I agree with some of his analysis of other activities at colleges.
I agree that there is academic tyranny and that people aren't being allowed to have their free speech if they're conservative, and I defend everyone's free speech.
But his hit piece is just the most ridiculous I've seen to date.
And again, he'll be joining us coming up in the middle of the next hour.
Paul Watson joins us in 15 minutes.
But first off, let's just go into the news.
FEMA inspectors included criminals.
Agency relied on them for honest reports, and this is part of the course.
Across the board, they are peopling in key positions of enforcement government agencies with hardcore criminals, rapists, murderers, top computer hackers, pedophiles, and uh...
Turns out FEMA's got quite a squadron of hardcore criminals working for them.
Meanwhile, they release the hardcore criminals and put them in positions of power, but U.S.
prison rates soars even higher, filled with non-violent offenders who make good workers.
prison population has risen further, with 1 in 138 people now in jail, new official figures reveal.
There are more than 2.1 million people U.S.
citizens in jail.
And of course, these numbers are wrong.
You look at the Justice Department numbers.
It's 7 plus million.
They're just counting one strata of jails.
The figures show the prison population increased by an estimated 48,552 people, or 2.3% in the year, in this year to June 30, 2004.
552 people are 2.3% in the year, and this year to June 30, 2004.
All right, we'll get more into that coming up as well.
Some good news.
Students bring Patriot Act to town meeting.
I quit counting a year ago, but it was over 400 cities and 4 states then.
Several more states have gone against the Patriot Act now, including conservative states.
But I've got to commend these students in Boston.
It's students, high school students, going to the City Council to defeat the Patriot Act.
Putin deplores the collapse of the USSR.
Folks, it never collapsed.
City cameras don't cut crime.
New report out, but that doesn't stop the government from accelerating it.
And even Newsmax has to admit that Bush is boosting Hillary in 08.
Of course, Clinton's in a continual love-fest with the Bushes, agreeing with all their policies.
A horrible article here about a baby, alive, who the abortionists didn't even try to save.
At least 50 die in that Japan derailment.
A packed commuter train jumped the tracks in western Japan on Monday.
Hurtled into an apartment building, killing 50 people and injuring more than 340 others in the deadliest rail accident in Japan in four decades.
Rail is still one of the most safest ways to travel.
The transportation period is dangerous and it's the number one cause of death until you hit 55, then it's cancer and heart attacks.
Depending on what year you look at, one year it's cancer and the next year it's heart attacks.
They're always taking the pole position from each other.
It just shows how quickly life can be snuffed out.
You fear fighting for liberty and freedom, you're afraid the globalists will get you, but you still get in your car every day, you still get on planes every month, you still get on trains every week, when this is your number one cause of death.
Last time I looked at the numbers, you're nine times more likely for your child to drown in the bathtub, or a mop bucket, or in the pool, than for your child to die from a gun, but we hear, ban the guns, it's for the children.
I like to look at statistics, though.
There is so much I want to cover.
When we get back, I want to air about a three-minute newscast out of CBS Channel 10 to analyze it out of Florida concerning this five-year-old arrested in Florida on felony charges.
We first heard that she was viciously, savagely attacking her teachers.
And so that's why the five-year-old had to be arrested by three police and charged with a felony.
The problem is, now the Big Brother video camera footage has been released from the classroom.
Look at how surveilled things are.
And she is, like I've seen Brat do in the grocery store, in the mall, on the street, I know you've seen it, spatting.
Just going, meh, meh, meh, with her hands, open hands at the teacher.
And in the old days, the teacher would have grabbed that youth, drug her by her ear or her hair, to the principal's office where she would have been given Five to six pops, as I did when I acted like that.
And when I got home, I'd have really been in trouble.
But I read the Globalist Think Tank documents that were written by the Carnegie Foundation 70 years ago.
They said that we have to train parents not to discipline, so that then their children will be rebellious and out of control.
We can then fill the prisons with them.
So what they do is, instead of disciplining the children in the schools, they've taken that authority from the teachers.
Then things turn into bedlam, because the children are gobbling Twinkies and Cokes between every recess, basically.
Literally.
You got children?
You ever given your children sugar and watched how they act?
People are idiots.
I see them giving their children cokes, Twinkies, all of it.
And the child bounces off the walls, and instead of disciplining them, don't we just call the police, charge you with a felony, and send you to juvie, where you're really going to get beat up.
You see?
They know what they're doing.
They're training us all to be prisoners.
Next, it'll be four-year-olds being arrested and charged as adults.
For spatting.
I remember the old days, occasionally.
A student would take a swing at a coach, and it happened a few times, and the coach would just grab them, tackle them, slam them down on the ground, and then make them run until they vomited.
And then they respected the coach and became good friends with them, and that's how things were done.
But if a coach today grabbed one of these punks, some 14 year old taking a swing at them, that coach would be in jail.
The criminal justice system and two years later they're on heroin with tattoos all over their bodies.
And they're male punks with HIV.
Because we've taken discipline away.
We'll be right back.
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Arrest five-year-olds and charge them with felonies.
And then they show the worst possible video they can, which is the child being followed around by this special ed teacher who's hanging over, getting in her face, not talking to the child in a loving fashion.
There on video camera, it's so obvious, trying to get her to respond or do something.
And then, uh... The child is limp-wristedly going, eh, eh, at the teacher's hands that are trying to grab a hold of her.
I mean, literally, folks.
Limp-wristedly, like a jellyfish.
You know how two-and-a-half-year-olds do?
Sometimes when they throw a fit, they just go, eh, eh, with their hands.
I wouldn't even call it a spat.
I mean, I've seen many children do this.
Well, this guy got this five-year-old felony charges.
And the news is acting like it's normal and good.
So let's go ahead and play this clip and analyze it.
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Thank you so much for joining us tonight.
It's the hottest video in America tonight and you can't rent it at Blockbuster.
The video shows St.
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School officials said the girl was out of control and they had to call police.
Today's reporter Mike Deason, who first broke this story last month, is here with the video and the story.
Mike?
Well, Heather and Reg, there's no question the little girl was out of control at the school, but the girl's mother says the police overreacted.
However, a veteran kindergarten teacher we talked to says after trying several techniques to calm a child, sometimes outside help has to be called in in order to protect teachers, other students, and even the child who's having the tantrum.
This is how the incident ends, as police officers put the handcuffs on five-year-old Jaisha Scott.
Not acceptable, Jaisha.
But it began much earlier, when teachers could not control the kindergarten student who was having a tantrum.
Thank goodness.
But kindergarten teacher Jennifer Pyle says sometimes kids do get out of control.
If it's extreme situation, you have to be careful of the safety of the child and the safety of the other children in the room.
And some of the things you definitely have to call for help.
Pyle, who's been teaching for 15 years, says she doesn't blame the school for calling the police.
They had no choice.
That had to happen.
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I think that, you know, a clear failure on the part of the school in involving the police.
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You need to calm down.
You need to do it now.
Meantime, Pyle has no problem with the handcuffs.
And I think it was really probably more to protect the child.
you know, to keep her, then hopefully she could calm down and not be physically hurting herself or someone else.
Eventually, a jury will decide if this arrest was appropriate or not.
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It's another thing with a 5-year-old.
And it is admitted, she was sitting there when the cops got there.
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And we're going to help you.
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And of course push Ritalin and Prozac on her.
We're going to do that for you.
That's some help for you.
And so every one of you that's got children, you better hope and pray they never do anything in school.
Because here in Austin, if you're late to class three times, it's considered an absence, even though the state law has a higher number of whole days missed as truancy.
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It's across the board about getting them into the system.
Well, something had to be done.
Someone had to help this little girl by charging her with a felony.
Don't worry, the family won't have any money, so they'll, uh, you know, plea bargain and she'll be in the system forever and she'll probably, probably in most cases, turn out to be a hardcore criminal.
Which is exactly what the Globalists want.
Another soul under their control.
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Students, again, are fighting the Patriot Act.
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Paul, there's a lot of news I want to blitz through and shotgun through, but I'd imagine since we just ended the last segment playing that clip of a little girl in Florida, We had to help her, they said.
We had to felony charge the five-year-old.
We have to call an outside help to help her.
We're going to help her, Paul.
They're going to start helping, I guess, more of our children, Paul.
Well, yeah, they had to help her for her own safety.
And anyone that watches the video can judge for themselves, you know, if this girl's violent or out of control.
Because, as I said in the article on prisonplanet.com, the worst it gets is that she's basically waving her hands around and barely even touching the teacher.
I'm 31, and I remember smarting off in public school and being grabbed by the ear.
And believe me, I didn't do it after that.
And then I got in trouble when I got home.
But again, we have the handbooks.
They know by not disciplining them, telling the parents not to discipline, the child's gonna be bad, and then now the cops taser you, they take you to Juvie Hall, where some 15-year-old rapes you.
15, 16 years ago, I was in primary school, and there were a few bad apples, and literally, we had kids throwing chairs across the room, like once a month, on a regular basis.
They were always restrained, you know, sent to the headmaster's office, the principal's office, and that was the end of it.
Nobody in their right mind would ever even consider calling the police.
In the elementary schools, in the middle schools, in the high schools, literally, when I went to high school, and now it's even worse, I've been in high schools to be a speaker and seen it, literally, every 20-30 feet, there are Coke machines and candy machines.
And during the five-minute break between classes, the children begin gobbling.
Folks, do you know what happens when you feed a young person, or an adult for that matter, candy bars and cokes?
No wonder diabetes is up 400%.
I mean, it turns them, when they go on the sugar crash, they get a headache and are little brats.
But we need to put them on a Ritalin because they're hyperpol.
Well, exactly, and you know, the test for that Stick of bubble gum on the ground.
up to often in a class debate.
So what is it, one in seven now, and those numbers are increasing on Ritalin.
So they're either drooling in the corner or going wild.
There are laws being introduced in the UK which make every offense arrestable.
They're talking about the same thing in America.
- Stick of bubble gum on the ground, arrested. - There was a 13 year old that threw a snowball at a police car She was arrested, and her DNA was stored in a database permanently.
In Teague, Texas, probably 16, 17 years ago, I was there on Halloween, small town, running around with friends, throwing eggs at each other.
And, uh, we got a little out of control.
One of my friends threw an egg, hit a police car, and the cops came over, grabbed us by the scruff of the neck, told us to go home, and didn't even arrest us.
Today, we probably would have been machine-gunned!
To see how far it's changed in just the space of 10, 15 years is amazing.
The point about this DNA database is, as the New Statesman article, which is mainstream, pointed out, it's a way for the state to identify miscreants at an early stage for things like throwing snowballs at police cars, dropping guns.
These informant programs which are set up by the schools and the government to encourage children to rat on each other for credit cards and CD players.
What was the one called Enroll to Tyranny that you covered?
And shows them handing out, enrolling the children.
But, I mean, in the new film I've got a mainstream news article out of Knoxville and other areas of the country where they've... It's not Knoxville, it's another town in Tennessee.
Where they actually have the cameras in the school showers.
Paul, every day I see an article where some honors student in an honors English class writes an essay where they use the word gun uh... and uh... even anti-gun articles you know, oh we should ban guns, oh gun, you said gun!
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One of my friends' sons uh... in his art class, he's in college now a few years ago, drew a picture of a guitar pick and they decided it might look like a gun and so they arrested him and he had to go to psychological testing.
Well, they lock down, the doors have to be buzzed in and out, they have barbed wire fences around them, the military's in there recruiting, now they're going to start forced drugging, psychological testing.
That's right, when a police dog gets kicked, one guy got 44 years in prison in Michigan, in Newcastle, PA, a man was walking through the parking lot, the dog, the window was down, the dog almost jumped out, almost bedding, he yelled back at the dog, he was charged with verbal assault of an officer, given one year in jail.
Talking back to them, to their dogs, is now illegal.
I've had other guests on who yelled back at a police dog, and there was one case in California and they're given jail time.
And then, you know, the point is treating the population as the enemy, no matter how harmless they appear, anyone is considered a threat, even a five-year-old girl.
And then we posted the articles from the past to contrast this, where they're supposedly protecting the five-year-old girl for her own safety, Meanwhile, we have things like, you know, California loses track of more than 30,000 sex offenders.
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I mean, they've done nothing... I mean, in the Soviet Union, if a child walks in with a cake, and the plastic forks and knives, and the teacher smiles, they have some cake.
It's the complete obliteration of common sense, mixed in with these, uh, PC protection laws whereby they would rehire the sex offenders and yet, you know, responsible... Think if we would have written, exactly, think if we would have written a science fiction book like this 50 years ago, people would have laughed at it.
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Well, there's been hundreds of those.
I mean, in the stalls, in the showers, in the locker rooms.
And a visiting team was in the Tennessee town, and the 11-year-old girls from the basketball team were in there, and they saw a camera in the shower and freaked out.
They were normalcy.
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But this was normal.
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This is... Crime could happen in those showers.
And then they went and looked at the computers and the software and it was being shared in North Carolina and other areas.
We've got a bunch of news to cover, and I want to get into all the hit pieces from the New American, and from Front Page Magazine, and just all of it that are taking place.
But any other comments on this, this stuff with the schools?
Um, just the fact that it was caught on tape in the first place illustrates what you're saying, that the cameras are in there in the first place, and, you know, things like the sardonic intro at the beginning of the video, you know, this is the hottest video in America that you can't rent at a blockbuster.
Your children in school being harassed by the teacher, the teacher's like this bucket of pus, obviously hounding the child, just look at it if you have any discernment!
Hounding some poor child who they want to get in the system!
Well yeah, it goes back to the Gandhi quote that we brought to light a few months ago, a few weeks ago.
First they ignore us, then they laugh at us, then they fight us, then we win.
Um, it started with the BBC article for the second time, they weren't content with the first one, linking anyone that believed in a New World Order with both Timothy McVeigh and Osama Bin Laden.
Believe me, you do not want to miss the guest we've got coming up.
Since you were attacked too, Paul, I'm not going to have you for the full hour with the guest.
But I do want you to stay 10-15 minutes with us into the first segment with him coming up here in about 30 minutes you have a chance to respond.
John Sanders and they're there I guess at the John Lott Center and is a policy analyst at the Pope Center for Higher Education Policy writes for Front Page Magazine.
Before he gets on with us we'll talk about the New American hit piece that really shows us where they're at and it will also cover a bunch of other key issues and jam a few calls in.
Paul, we talked about this some in the last hour, just how many criminals are being hired, how they're hiring aggravated felons, who happen to be illegal aliens, according to the Washington Times, to make up large portions of the new military.
FEMA's inspectors included criminals.
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And, uh, they, uh, they knew they were criminals.
And people always wonder why they'd rob your houses, wouldn't let you in your home, taser you after a week and a half being gone as your dogs starve to death.
Why they're so brutal, it's because they're hardcore felons.
Well, yeah, it's like, in Iraq, the people that'll take a taxi driver's car who stole some planks of wood and run it over.
Basically because they're gang members and they need to swear an oath to the gang, and it's the same case with government hiring of these criminals.
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In the last year there has been a flotilla A mass of hit pieces against myself and others that are exposing government involvement in 9-11 from the left, the right, from the establishment media, the so-called alternative media, and always leads back to the globalists.
We'll be talking about that here in a few minutes.
The last hour we talked a lot about this little five-year-old black girl who is, the teacher's trying to grab a hold of her and she's like spatting her.
And I had heard the reports, you know, she threw something off a shelf and knocked over a chair.
I looked at a bunch of different newscasts and never saw that.
It's classic media control.
They'll create the argument.
Is this okay to do?
Well, yeah, we've got to protect her by giving her a felony record.
A five-year-old.
Next will be four-year-olds, I predict.
Then three-year-olds.
Then two-year-olds.
They already put tens of thousands of two-year-olds on Ritalin and Prozac and put them in solitary confinement on Thorazine in some cases because they cry for their parents when they're taken.
That's considered to be mental illness, crying for your parents and having a tantrum.
And then, yeah, this sounds like the classic M.O., then bring out more of the tape later and say, see, it's reasonable.
It's never reasonable to taser six-year-olds.
It's never reasonable to handcuff five-year-olds.
This type of behavior has always been out there, and children were disciplined by the school.
But not anymore.
You can't do that.
We've got to take you to jail, get you in the system.
We've got to help you with a felony charge.
Real fast, Sean, you've got to finish up what you were saying.
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Okay, real quick, what I wanted to say is that human nature, that when a person doesn't feel loved or cared for, human nature is to lash out violently.
And the way that you show a child that throws a tantrum like this, that you love them, is not to call the cops.
You show them that you love them by caring enough about what they're doing to discipline them.
If you really love your children or care about the children you're taking care of, Many times, I mean it's so easy folks to restrain a five-year-old to simply hug them in a bear hug and tell them no.
But see the teacher can't even do that and by the time they're a few years older, I mean I remember being in first grade and being taken to the principal's office and they had the little paddle that looks like the paddle that you bong the ball with and getting a pop.
I think that happened one time Indeed.
in all of first grade, and I didn't misbehave again.
Thank you for the call.
I appreciate it.
But no, no, no, we're going to have cops come, crank your arms behind your back, put you in handcuffs, and charge you with a felony.
So, I mean, they show these weak father figures and it only encourages fathers to become, you know, more You know, lethargic and just drink beer on weekends and not even try to relate to their own kids.
It's a vicious circle because then the kids don't have any respect and they misbehave.
Well, that's the case, and it's amazing how many children, and then people right up to, you know, my age, go around thinking that doing drugs is so cool, completely oblivious, that the government ships them in in the large majority of cases.
Um, cocaine's been proven to be good in operation.
I want you to picture Regional SWAT teams, over four SWAT teams, black masks, fake blood, fake arms, fake intestines, splattered in buckets on the children.
Buses, smoke bombs in the buses.
The children with grown men running around with submachine guns screaming, I am the homeschool defense group.
We are homeschoolers against public education.
We are killing you.
Ha ha ha.
Seven-year-olds.
This was on the Associated Press, like it was normal though.
They were saying it was good.
Crying.
Saying, help me, help me.
Fake blood splattered everywhere.
This was done all over the country.
Similar drills.
I've been to them.
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It's in Road to Tyranny.
They even blew up cars in Central Texas.
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Helicopters.
Fake intestines.
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You think I'm joking, folks?
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You've got to see this video.
This is mass brainwashing!
You think putting people in a sports stadium with projectors, you know, telling you communism is good as brainwashing, that is.
But you think about the mind control, the sheer evil 1984 brainwashing of elementary students splattered with fake intestines and gallons of fake blood, being told homeschoolers are going to kill you, that child's going to hate homeschoolers for the rest of their life, they're going to have nightmares about homeschoolers, when homeschoolers I've never done anything to anybody!
No, it's completely betrayed public schooling and the fact that homeschoolers are not only more Straight, more moral, more successful later in life, but they're more intelligent because they don't have all these peer pressure and distractions which drag them back all the time.
Well, basically, it's a rehash of the Ben Chertoff, Oman security, popular mechanic, strawman hit piece.
It's not weaker, because they, with the situation basically, they attack people who talk about pods on the bottom of Flight 175, talk about no plane hitting the Pentagon, which we have tried to be balanced on.
We've presented arguments from both sides.
But then later on in the article, they start attacking people who say that bombs were used in the World Trade Center attack.
And they mention Alex Jones and PrisonPlanet.com, as well as others.
They don't use Silverstein admitting seven was pulled.
They don't use a seismograph for people in the towers, people on the ground or which, you know, has been on our website for over three years.
And they need to keep up with government cover stories because they're behind the times on this one.
They rehashed these engineers' comments, the same ones that Popular Mechanics used, where they said they knew the planes alone would be enough to take the towers down, which goes against every historical example of a steel building catching on fire.
When even the government, in the latest federal report, concludes that the planes were not the cause of the collapse.
So the point is now that even the government admits that the planes weren't the cause and New American Popular Mechanics are still reporting that they were, so they're behind on the government cover stories.
And then we had that New York Times article from the 70s where they had a fire in the North Tower of the World Trade Center.
So, you know, any faulty fireproofing would have been clearly evident and taken care of back then.
Number one, fireproofing wasn't, even though they had asbestos fireproofing on the pillars, still, those cool fires don't melt or destroy giant four foot around, six foot around girders.
I want you to read the specifics of what they said about us when we get back and then I want to get into the latest front page magazine hit piece.
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I can't wait.
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And the three headlines, one is from the London Guardian, another is from Reuters, and the third is from Hearst Publishing, which also publishes Popular Mechanics, who also attacked us, which is about the fake screened audiences at the Bushtown Hall meeting.
So he takes a headline, which is supposedly kooky, from a publication which attacked us in the same way that he's attacking us.
And then the other two, Reuters and London Guardian.
And, um, Professor Christensen, before she removed it, because obviously it was confusing people with a lack of intelligence, she had a sarcastic comment up there, like, that's me on the left.
It's certainly not as sophisticated as the BBC one, because they enlisted this Michael Barcoon, who was attacking you on C-SPAN last year.
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They asserted some nebulous conspiracy was on threshold of seizing all power in the US and dismantling the constitutional system." I thought I was a communist, Paul.
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Mr. Bush was simply noting the shift in geopolitics as the Soviet Union crumbled and suddenly the bipolar world of the Cold War melted away, potentially giving rise to new international... Funny, Thomas Barnett at the Pentagon, one of the chief strategists for the Naval War College, says it's world government.
So, it goes back to that thing again, if you talk about it in a negative sense, unlike President Bush, former President Bush, then you're a neo-Nazi terrorist, and it doesn't exist.
Yeah, I mean, if I was Al-Qaeda, I'd be CIA-funded, like some of these writers are.
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Take our time here and go over all of this because this is important.
Now, if this was just about me, if this was just about I, I wouldn't cover it, I wouldn't talk about it.
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Because we have the facts, we have the proof of what we claim and what we bring forward.
John Sanders, I really appreciate coming on, is a political analyst at the Pope Center for Higher Education Policy, a spinoff of the John Locke Foundation he's also been part of.
He researches and writes about public policy issues affecting colleges and universities.
Not even covered some of his articles before, in a positive light.
In North Carolina and across the country, Sanders produces a weekly newsletter on these issues entitled, Clarion Call.
Sanders has been published in the Wall Street Journal.
Which also talks about the Bohemian Grove, National Review, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Freeman, the Philadelphia Enquirer, and numerous newspapers in North Carolina.
Sanders has been an adjunct instructor in economics at the North Carolina State University and holds a master's degree in economics with a minor in statistics and a bachelor's degree in English literature and language from North Carolina State.
Sanders is a native of Garner, North Carolina.
You can go to InfoWars.com and link through to FrontPage Magazine and Link through to our quick analysis and response to it.
And Paul Watson is with us because he's been savaged as well as part of this latest salvo.
The vicious attacks, half-baked attacks from the neocon to American, full of its little conspiracy theories, they're refusing to come on this broadcast and others.
Very cowardly, very weak.
But thank you so much for joining us, Mr. Sanders.
To start off here, why don't you explain to people why you wrote this article and give us your side of the story.
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Well, I wrote this article as part of a series I do for the Pope Center entitled Course of the Month.
And what I do is, it's sort of a Golden Fleece Award for courses taught in colleges and universities in North Carolina.
And I try to find what appears to me as some of the most absurd or sneezing non-academic courses in the system and highlight them because I believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant.
So I found out about this course taught by Jane Christensen at North Carolina Westland, entitled the same thing as your DVD, right?
9-11, The Road to Tyranny, and went to the syllabus, looked through all the links and everything it went, and wrote an article based on everything that was included in the syllabus.
I went through all the websites she said were daily readings, recommended daily readings, and I reported on some of the headlines and things that I found in there.
I went to your website and reported on some of the headlines and advertisements and things that I found in there and did the same throughout her syllabus as well.
What I said, you know, in the context of Jewish cabal controls the world event in that quote, that was, if you think the Bush administration planned the 9-11 attack to give it an excuse to wage war for global domination, that a Jewish cabal controls the world event, And all of those, then you'll disagree with my assessment.
That sentence refers back to my first paragraph, which is that I believe that this was a course quite worthy of listing in my course of the month.
So, that, all of those things respond to different sites and findings that I found on those different sites.
So, of those, if I recall correctly, the Nixon, Reagan, and Bush is going to practice dowel worship referred back to what InfoWars.
The others were from other websites.
So I'm not saying that the Jewish Cabal stuff was from yours.
Subsequent reading of the piece would make that pretty clear.
What you're counting on people doing, Mr. Sanders, is not going and checking out the facts.
You're counting on them reading all this ridiculous stuff about, I mean, you can go anywhere you want on the web and talk about aliens kidnapping a president and then add that in to the analysis and it's guilt by association.
You don't have to say where that came from.
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That's what the professor did.
The professor linked this as a daily reading website.
Well, what's on these websites, and this is what I find.
Oh yeah, and so you look at advertising, you look at forums, and if you can find anything connected to anything, though tentatively you try to mix it all in together.
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It's all there in a syllabus, so I went to each one and reported on what was in it.
No, what I'm saying is because you go to a site and there's a banner for some advertisement about space aliens, then you can't look at everything on that site and say it's kooky.
Okay, so if I go to a website and there's an ad for Battlestar Galactica on, say, a major news channel's website, then I can't believe anything on that news site because there's an ad for Battlestar Galactica.
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Well, that of Star of the Galactic is pretty much a fictional thing that everyone knows, right?
Are you aware that the owner of the World Trade Center complex...
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I thought that it was...
Maybe I'm confused over all the different buildings, but if I recall correctly, they did bring down several of the buildings afterwards because they had sustained damage.
On the day of 9-11 at 5-30, they gave the order to quote, pull building 7, gave the order, and watched it come down, and firefighters told the Associated Press, we're bringing building 7 down.
By the way, are you aware of the new official FEMA story is that the buildings were faulty is why they fell?
Not the last three official stories of why it fell?
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I'm not keeping up with which is the official theme of the story or whatever.
But she also links to AP, Reuters, conservative websites.
You don't mention that, though.
unidentified
I mention Al Jazeera, Pravda, the other alternative media, the International Solidarity Movement for Palestine, Earth First, Deputy's Desire for Republican Webbrings.
These are the sort of things, when I read, they do They do make me, they do give me cough cough.
It was a CIA operation in the 70s in Spain, Italy and France to stage bombings, such as train stations, soft targets, to blame it on the then left to bolster the right-wing government.
And we've exposed right-wing terrorism, left-wing terrorism, but that is admitted as taking place in the 70s.
I was giving information as to what this course entails.
Now, from an academic perspective, there is nothing other than this one perspective.
And it's supposedly an academic course, senior level, judged by the number, 495.
Um, that when she admits it directly in her syllabus that, um, sorry I'm reading, this course is unscientific and is outside the scope of traditional political science.
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That's fair grounds for me to criticize as far as I'm concerned.
Well the course is saying Bill Clinton and George Bush aren't crime partners, you know, telling us there's a fake, I mean, that there is some type of left-right separation.
Those are fake and unscientific.
I mean, what does that mean?
I mean, she's honest about the fact that she believes this is true and that this is her view, but then if you watch my films, it's all documents and the government admitting it and their own documents and where you can get them.
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And you trust the government documents so they'll admit something, but you don't trust the government on other things.
They put the spin on it that it's good that the U.S.
government wanted to carry out terror attacks.
They put the spin on things that it's good that they're arresting five-year-old children.
They put the spin on things that it's good that our borders are wide open.
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unidentified
Well, anyone with any skeptical frame of mind can think of these things and combat them internally without I'm believing the absolute worst about people.
My underlying criticism of this whole thing is the immediate jump to a spiritual outlook.
You imply, by mixing it with space aliens, fake news.
And that headline is Hearst.
Now, we know about the fake reporters, the payoffs, the hundreds of millions of dollars of fake newscasts, people being told, take your ties off at meetings, spray painting over the made in China.
I mean, all the fake news, sir, are you saying there's not propaganda placement?
Because you are implying that it's mixed in with all this other stuff.
unidentified
I didn't do the mixing, sir.
The mixing was in this woman's web.
It was in her syllabus.
If it wasn't linked in her syllabus, I wouldn't have found it.
Don't blame me for the mixing.
If you don't like the company that she put you in, don't blame me for it.
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Look, I commend her for being honest about her views.
I'm glad she's honest about her views, sir.
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If she wants to be an activist, that's fine.
If she's going to do this in the context of giving an academic perspective on 9-11, and she does it from one side of the spectrum, then I'm going to criticize.
I get attacked for criticizing professors who do it from the other side of the spectrum.
It's been kind of refreshing to be called a communist.
I will credit your readers for this.
They can give out good insults.
The left gives out pretty bad, silly insults that, you know, third graders get out to.
Yeah, well, we were attacked in a similar vein by the BBC for believing in the New World Order, for believing government involvement in 9-11.
They called us right-wing extremists.
This article, when it mentions links to communist front groups, ANSA and other Marxist groups, international solidarity movements, Palestine, Equates us with the extreme left-wing, but it's the same attack foundation.
So that proves that these labels are just direct to demonization.
It's got nothing to do with the facts.
unidentified
It's all about left-wing right-wingers.
The labels are correct as far as the groups that are linked.
But I'd say more of her links are to mainstream news and documents, and you don't mention one of those.
Well, you can link to mainstream, but then when you give groups like these that you mention, It makes me question... Well, quite frankly, I think some of those groups have done great analysis.
Both the controlled left and the controlled right have their capital ships of media propaganda firing incessantly at us.
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One of the editors, the Homeland Security Chief's cousin, will get up on national shows and attack me and then claim I won't debate him when he will not debate us.
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Hit piece from Front Page Magazine.
If you think the Bush administration planned the 9-11 attacks to give it an excuse to wage war for global domination, well, PNAC says that.
Dick Cheney says that.
That a Jewish cabal controls world events.
That's just pulled from some other site.
That President Eisenhower was abducted by aliens, again pulled from some other site.
And that Nixon, Reagan, and the Bushes go off on a remote California location to practice owl worship.
None of that is involved with our website.
Then you'll disagree with my assessment.
The rest of you, I'm confident, will say, move over, and then it goes on, and make way for North Carolina, Wesleyan College Politics, a political science 495, 9-1-1, the road to tyranny, taught by Professor Jane Christensen.
So it's so clear there what's being done.
Mixing in a bunch of wild conspiracy theories, Because sites that she links to have advertisers or links to something else, it's out of control.
And he quotes these supposed things off our websites, like fake news, controlled news, when that's mainstream news.
Everybody knows about that.
And it just mixes it all in together.
Paul Watson, during the break, we were talking, you were saying you had a question for Mr. Sanders, our guest.
The course which is listed at the beginning, And then she's got a picture of European security forces and as a joke says, I'm the one on the right.
I mean, it's a clear joke, just like your Simpsons comment is a pure joke.
unidentified
Again, when I asked you earlier, uh, what you objected to as far as my treatment of your site, um, I mean, I, I, I understand we're going to disagree on opinion and that's fine.
Um, but as far as matter of fact, this is what I'm interested in.
Everything that I reported was on your site.
The quotes that I got grabbed were from your site.
And we have to sift through all kinds of extraneous material To try to get the real truth when the establishment news media is letting us down big time.
For instance, back in 1997, Margaret Thatcher, the former British Prime Minister, said, Today's international policymaker's short-term goal is to subordinate American and other national sovereignties to multilateral authorities.
Their long-term goal, one suspects, is to establish the UN as a kind of embryo world government.
This was in a presentation before the Heritage Foundation.
Now, this was not in the mainstream news, and this was a statement that I think you'll agree with me, as one American to another, it is certainly a newsworthy comment by someone in Herp who used to be a Prime Minister.
Now, you know, when the big establishment news media leave gaping holes in the fabric of our information, what are we to do but to go to
uh... the you know the smaller in some cases let me make a quick comment let me just make this quick comment here you know very very fast this is the same attack pattern of Vanity Fair the same attack pattern of American Legion the same attack pattern of popular mechanics the same attack pattern over and over again they go out and scour the web and add what kooks say into what we're doing it is the same tactic and my question uh... to our guest Is this Mr. John Sanders?
David Horowitz in Front Page Magazine has been linked to the Neocon Cabals and the Bush funding mechanisms.
Are you aware of that?
Number two, are you funded by any government agencies or through intermediary government-funded foundations?
unidentified
The Folk Center does not take any money from government as a matter of principle.
Tactic number two, people always try to limit the debate in scope.
unidentified
Mike, finish up what you were saying and we'll let the... Well, let me respond, and if you're going to talk tactics, whatever you say is my tactic in linking you with all these other groups, which I didn't make up.
Those groups were listed on the website as part of her daily reading, so I, when studying the course, I go to see what these things are, and I reported what was on one day.
But you say, this is the same tactic that Vanity Fair used, that somebody else used it.
Really, is there any difference between what you just did and what I did?
No, I'm sitting here... Hey, sir, Bohemian Grove is real!
You mix Bohemian Grove in with space aliens, they kneel before Moloch of Leviticus!
They bring in the bound effigy of a child, and they burn it!
They do mock, throat-slitting, and Satan worship at Skull and Bones.
Now, everybody knows that.
It's been on national television, and you're saying it's no big deal.
You should have told your readers when you'd go, Space Aliens, Bohemian Grove.
You should have said, by the way, Bohemian Grove's real.
I don't see that as any evidence of world domination, which is pretty much where all of these... Would you let somebody that worshiped a 40-foot stone island and mocked sacrifices in their backyard babysit your children?
unidentified
What were you talking about when you said about changing the course, changing the... Yeah, really.
Yeah, Alex, I'm inclined to give this man the benefit of the doubt.
I think he really is as ignorant as he seems.
And I don't mean that to be as derogatory as it sounds.
I think you're a victim of public school education, like many of our contemporaries, and you simply don't know a whole lot about what's really going on.
And, you know, you can thank your mainstream press to a great extent.
I mean, can you not Do you not have some sympathy for a professor who points her students to other sources of information?
If you're putting the academic informatter on a course and saying this is academic and you're only going to give one angle One slice of pie and looking at something.
That's not an academic way of looking at it, in my opinion.
Now, you can disagree with that, and that's fine.
As far as me being some victim of public schooling, I'm sorry.
I went to private schools.
Unless you want to, you know, once I got to university level, I did go to North Carolina State University, which is public higher ed.
But, you know, that's an ad hominem attack, and I don't care.
He's trying to find some reason you don't seem to understand.
Can you look around you?
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I was saying, what about public officials who are not to fly the night before, specifically to New York?
What about NORAD standing down?
CIA insider trading?
You know, guys in a cave supposedly doing all of this?
You go to Professor Christensen's site, Almost all the links on her site go to sites that then show all the documents, the admissions, the congressional testimony, FBI agent's testimony, and then yeah, on some of these sites she links to, to a particular article, say an AP article that's been saved by some other site, you can then click over and go to the forum and then find some other link to something else, or see a ad for something, and then ooh, look, they're kooky!
No, you can't address the specifics of what she says on her site, of Operation Northwoods, or Gladio, or Herat submitting that Israel carried out terror attacks.
That's Jewish newspaper, to blame it on their political enemies.
You can't respond to that.
I want to go to John here in a second.
Paul Watson, any other comments or questions for our guest?
No, no, they're always putting the spin on it, that it's good!
Oh, our government, good!
It was gonna kill us!
Oh, how nice of them!
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Sorry, I have two questions.
Sorry, we sometimes worry about putting words in people's mouths.
Okay, I have two questions for the guests.
One question is, do you think that these mainstream news, um, Websites are a cookie.
My other question is, you're talking about people linking to Al Jazeera, but every other night when I watch any of these news programs, they're talking about new tape from Al Jazeera.
So if the analysts at ABC, NBC, CNN, Fox News can all go to Al Jazeera and look up information, then why would it be bad for a professor to ask her students to go to that same website?
I just mentioned what she does on her side.
I know, but what's the implication?
What was your point, then, in mentioning that she's going to Al Jazeera when ABC... Be honest!
I've been attacked by Harry Shearer, one of the chief voices on the show.
I guess, is Bart Simpson kind of a nexus point?
Well, you have brought up this fact.
Really, folks, most of the propaganda is in the dramas and the cartoons.
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Shortly after 9-11, George W. Bush stood up in front of the U.N.
now 800-509-3201 800-509-3201 shortly after 9-11 George W. Bush stood up in front of the UN and said none of us should ever tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of 9-11.
A Attacks and claims, he said, made only to take the blame away from the terrorists, away from the guilty.
Yes.
We know who has the motive.
We know who was behind the attacks.
We know this country's being turned into a total police state.
We're going to expose it.
In closing here, just anything else you'd like to say?
I mean, people can go to Front Page Magazine and read the super-liberal David Horowitz's propaganda.
They can read yours as well.
And we really appreciate you coming on with us, Mr. Sanders, but I would say that you have failed and you will only push more people to our sites where they will learn the truth and wake up to the New World Order.
Mr. Sanders?
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I'm not afraid of information.
So, you know, if more people go to your site, more power to them.
Do you agree with Ron Paul that the Federal Reserve should be abolished?
Or do you like the Federal Reserve?
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I'm pretty skeptical of the Federal Reserve.
I don't want... You know, I have economic reasons for thinking that... Is it a conspiracy though that it's private?
I wouldn't suggest conspiracy, certainly not grand conspiracy.
But, you know, I'm just... I'm very leery about automatically believing in grand conspiracy.
I try to hew to Occam's razor, the principle of parsimony.
And I understand human nature.
I mean, people... When you reduce things to grand conspiracies, in my view, you are reducing people to comic book characters of, you know, cartoon super villains.
If you go to Infowars.com or PrisonPlanet.com, you're going to see government documents, the bills, the legislation, what's being proposed, okay?
You're going to see what's happening.
That's the predominant 95% Of what's on my site.
And to sit there and just make the claim that we believe in grand conspiracy theories.
Have you read Machiavelli's The Prince?
Have you?
You know, U2, Brutus, Caesar.
This is how governments operate.
This is what powerful elites do.
The mafia engages in conspiracies.
The NWO is nothing but a global mafia.
That's all it is.
And people that say government doesn't want more power, that corporations don't fund government to carry out their aims.
That's a conspiracy theory!
You are the conspiracy theorist!
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But, do it, do it, do quite everything that happens, and it's sort of this post-poke reasoning, you know, if this happened, look who benefits, and therefore it must have all been a planned event, and you don't believe it's a planned event.
When you go to the PENAC documents and Dick Cheney says it is, you gotta believe him!
Well, I mean, what's the biggest conspiracy theory?
We have an official version of events with 9-11, Based on 19 hijackers, most of which couldn't fly planes in the first place according to their flight instructors, planning this all from a cave and then things like their passport fluttering down out of the airline and being found five blocks away.
BBC reports five of the hijackers are still alive.
Other mainstream news reports cite seven as still being alive.
The government has never presented any evidence of their official version of the event.
I said an hour ago you'd say this, and I answered your question before you asked it.
Okay.
Let me tell you.
You want the answer?
There's different types of news.
There's Armstrong Williams and Talon News Service.
Pure propaganda.
There's things like Rumsfeld saying there are weapons of mass destruction and then never being challenged on it for lying and the media saying he never said that.
There's that type of lies.
Then there's news where they go, cameras in school bathrooms are good.
And then we take that and say no they're not.
Or there's the news saying new freedom is good.
We go, here's the actual New Freedom Initiative law that says force psychological testing.
We think that's bad.
Or, Operation Northwoods comes out and then we pick up on it and call the National Security Archives and they confirm it's real.
But that never becomes a big major news story.
We focus on it and make it a big one.
You know there's different stratas and different types of news.
Mainly we go off source documents.
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Well, you know, mainly you do.
But on your site today you've got something questioning whether Bigfoot exists.
Well, you might see one of those articles every 5-6 months on our webpage and that link is there on the site and I have instructed Paul to occasionally put quirking news on the site because that's what people want.
And we're trying to expand and look at everything.
And WorldNetDaily would totally agree with you that Lord Bush is our savior.
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Whatever, you know, you're using a straw man.
If you're going to put arguments in my mouth, I would really prefer that you link to them or you quote them directly.
I don't want to be... I don't want straw man attacked.
Don't mind you quoting from my article and let me respond.
As I was reading your 1600 words, I was looking forward to everything you described up front, you eventually debunking, or at least exploring, but then you get to the last sentence, which turned out, I mean, it seemed like a sarcastic kind of cop-out, but I do inadvertently agree with it.
NC Wesleyan should be proud of Professor Christensen's course, if only because she's advancing really a discussion about a More complex media environment than we've ever seen.
Yeah, all we get is the official media line from the official media.
So she's giving us the alternative view that is the dominant one by the way.
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And really what this is about and what even this discussion is advancing as well is about discernment and about misinformation and disinformation and actual truth.
And what's dawning on me even in this conversation is that there are true artists of misinformation and disinformation And then there are people that practice it by accident.
But to compare Professor Christensen's course to, I think early on, you compared it to canine studies, canine cultural studies.
Right.
That's laughable, but I think a better, more apt analogy might be to compare it to the cultural studies of the sheep culture, because there is kind of a mass mindset or mass Walk of hardcore accept this that are believing really whatever is presented by let's say the popular world government or US government view and that there is that tendency to kind of think that To go with the flock.
Our founding fathers told us to not trust the government.
That it was dangerous and evil and wicked and out of control.
But today, oh, it's bad to have that view out of the gates.
Even though human history and all our experiences show us that the worst in government is almost always the case.
World tyranny, corruption, empires, despotism, serfdom, feudalism, slavery is the norm.
Freedom is the very rare gemstone of gemstones.
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Yeah, if I had read your article a few years ago before waking up to some of these things, I would have kind of sided with you and scoffed, essentially.
But now, as I read it, I was looking forward to you enlightening me on what you were scoffing at, and I never really got there.
Like I said, it just seemed like you went with that last sentence, which NC Wesleyan Like I said before, I should be proud of the advancing of this conversation, especially things like Major Corp.
I'm not really sure what that story is, but it seems to be a relevant journalistic piece of information.
We reported it two and a half years before they did, by the way, when no one was reporting it.
How did we know?
Cold sources.
But let me throw some more out at you.
Were you aware that Bush Sr.
was at a Carlisle Group function at the head table with the head of the Bin Laden family?
At 8.30 in the morning on 9-11, the General Amoud Ahmed wired $100,000 to Muhammad Adam and was having breakfast with Porter Goss and the new CIA head and Senator Graham that morning.
Oh, did you know the FBI agents have gotten up at the National Press Club and said they'll be arrested if they tell us what they know.
All they can tell us is the Bushes vacation with the Bin Ladens.
That's a quote.
You think that's important?
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I don't know anything about what you talked about, but what you're describing, even if any or all of these things are true, you've got post-hoc, you're taking this and the events later and combining them when you don't know if that's the case.
The CIA in its own official report just so happened to be doing a drill of the exact same thing, sure.
Well, yeah, and I know you, people who believe in grand conspiracies do not believe in, for instance... No, no, no, Bush told us they never heard of a plan to fly a plane into a building, no.
Now, who's lying?
Remember Bush saying, I've never heard of a plan, no one's ever heard of a plan, to fly a plan into a building?
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If he did, well he was wrong if he had heard about it.
Dick Cheney, three months before, taking the authority from the generals to shoot down errant jets from them, a power they've had since 1957, in the command bunker, in control?
Of course.
Sing it in.
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You want to believe what you want to believe, and that's fine.
I mean, go right ahead.
And I'm, you know, I'm not going to, I'm not out to change your opinion on this.
So you didn't know that the neocons were founded by communists?
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You know, you say these things like, you didn't know this, you didn't know, and you'll, you'll source, you'll source an article... I bet you $10,000 a year!
...that you want me to believe, but on the other side... I'm ready to back it up, Bubba!
Really, it's like a game of Jeopardy, and Mr. Jones is trumping you.
You might even be in the negative dollar value at this point.
I'm giving you a philosophical perspective, an outlook, a skepticism toward things, and you're not, which is fine.
But it's cognitive dissonance.
Even when you laugh out of that kind of fear, you're rejecting even the concept of reading about B because you're so attached to A. I want to call you a professor or a doctor.
No, I believe him because he's got the best voting record, and he's a good personal friend of mine, and he knows about the New World Order.
John Sanders, thank you for coming on.
I want to thank you for having the courage.
Take care.
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From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
Our good friend who reports on the media and covers all this writes for the Wall Street Journal and other publications, John Sanders.
Again, I want to thank you for joining us.
If folks want to email you or visit any websites you write for, how do they do that?
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Um, my email is jsanders, J-S-A-N-D-E-R-S at popecenter.org, C-O-P-E, center.org, it's not Catholic, it's a family name, um, who is a major donor to, to the, um, foundation, um, and... My, my, my, my mother's, mother's side is Pope.
Anyway, 1 Corinthians 5 talks about being given over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, and I think that's what the spirit might be saved, and I think that's what we're looking at in America, and then eventually the tribulation period.
So that people would realize the consequences of sin and not end up in the eternal lake of fire.