Alex Jones, Paul Craig Roberts, and Gerald Jack Mclamb dissect alleged government conspiracies spanning the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, 9/11 attacks, and the Iraq War. They claim inside jobs involving FBI agents and natural gas leaks, criticize military equipment failures due to corporate influence, and warn of a globalist New World Order utilizing martial law, surveillance, and biological weapons. The discussion highlights alleged cover-ups like the "Medusa file," connects British royalty to death cults, and concludes that an awakening public is increasingly resisting these authoritarian agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
It's already Thursday, the 13th day of January 2005.
We'll be live for the next three hours.
Colonel Craig Roberts will be joining us in the second hour to talk about the police state, the new freedom initiative, to discuss the national ID card, to talk about the new year-round census we'll all be living under.
But he'll also be joining us to talk about the report we covered with Pat Shannon yesterday with this top BATF officer, the individual who was over the National Security Council program of testing truck bombs and car bombs out in the New Mexico desert in the year before the Oklahoma City tragedy on April 19, 1995, who was then on the ground
As the blast went off in Oklahoma City.
He didn't live in Oklahoma City, boys and girls.
Then, of course, Danny Colson, one of the high-level FBI agents over an entire department sector of the FBI.
This guy claimed he was in Dallas the day of the event, but it turns out he was there the day before.
The night before in Oklahoma City.
I mean, this is important because Oklahoma City was really sloppily done.
And it wasn't as sophisticated as the government terror attack of 9-11.
And we can really prove that they, that is our loving government that's taking all our freedoms, were intimately involved in it.
And Craig Roberts is a real expert on it.
He even worked the case as a police officer there in Oklahoma.
So, Colonel Roberts joining us, coming up in the next hour.
I do want to take your phone calls.
Didn't get to a lot of them yesterday because I had three great guests on, but we'll take a lot of your calls in this first hour.
I might even go to some calls in the next segment.
Uncle Sam wants your data all year round.
I might even go to some calls in the next segment.
Uncle Sam wants your data all year round.
I'm going to be honest with you.
I probably see when I'm scanning the news wires at night, when I mainly do it, a hundred articles every day about Big Brother wants your data, data, data, data.
I didn't read deeper into this article.
I figured it was just another report about Total Information Awareness Network of the thousands we've seen.
Well, this morning I happened to read deeper into it.
And so we'll cover it today.
Now, again, we knew this from the federal announcements in 2000.
The general public couldn't believe it.
Now it's public.
And I was wrong.
You will not be given a census once a year.
That's what the preliminary documents said.
Four years ago.
They have now decided to do it every day.
Yes.
Every day.
And you will have to answer every question they give you.
Everything you do will be tracked and traced.
And this is part of the whole National ID Card system.
Now, you're not going to be getting a census every day in the mail.
You'll get one of those every year in the last few hundreds of questions.
No, it's just going to be everything you do will be tracked and traced by your loving government.
That's nothing to do with terrorism, of course.
Everything to do with Managing their control grid and seeing how much they can get out of us on the treadmill.
So, details of this and just so much more coming up after this quick break.
We have posted the Dean Haglund interview about 9-11 at prisonplanet.tv.
We have a teaser there.
We're non-members, so go check it out.
We'll be right back.
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Colonel Craig Roberts joining us to talk about a whole plethora of key issues.
We'll cover the field and focus in on Oklahoma City and more and more information that is coming out, making it crystal clear who was behind their explosions.
The attacks.
Motion filed for Philadelphia protesters.
Christians evangelizing at homosexual events seek federal relief.
Now again, I've read the Associated Press and the Philadelphia Daily News and all the mainstream media admits they went there to a designated protest area.
Now it's designated, see here, in the land of the free and home of the slaves.
And they were praying, and the police, there were federal prosecutors there that advised them, Bush appointees there who advised them, that advised local police that what they were saying was hateful and could incite violence.
And so, they're facing 47 years in prison apiece, including a young 17-year-old lady who was there, praying.
And again, Republican Governor Mark Schweiker, a few years ago, passed a law where if you read from the Old Testament passages critical of homosexuality, you can be arrested or fined.
They've passed similar laws in Europe, Canada, and of course in England, but now it's happening here in America.
And Pat Robertson and the rest of them aren't going to talk about it, because it's the land of milk and honey now, with Lord Bush in there.
Our good friend who attends the Bohemian Grove, where the New York Post reports they bus in top gay porn stars who, quote, serve as world leaders.
Wonder why Rush Limbaugh didn't pick up on that.
They're a bunch of hypocrites is what they are, folks.
Very, very serious.
So, regardless of which side of the fence you are on in this issue, don't you believe in people's free speech?
In their right to go out on the street corner and say whatever they want?
Or should they get 47 years?
That's 47 years in prison for criticizing someone.
Now understand, people are getting two years in prison for having anti-bush signs on street corners.
Signs that say no blood for oil.
Understand that everybody's losing their freedoms in this country.
But the left, that is the establishment left lackeys, love it when conservatives lose their rights.
And the neocon followers love it when liberals lose their rights to speak.
Well, I don't like it when anybody loses their rights, but Christians are being singled out like no one else.
And the Christian Church is totally silent on it because they've been cowed through their 501c3.
One of the attorneys for the Christian protesters who are criminally You know, it's funny, last night on my TV show, I guess great minds think alike.
have renewed an appeal in federal court citing the Supreme Court statement "Speech cannot be punished or banned simply because it might offend a hostile mob." You know, it's funny, last night on my TV show, I guess great minds think alike.
But I've been doing my TV show for almost 10 years.
But I've been thinking about all the hundreds and hundreds of TV shows I've done, where I went out and confronted the Million Mom March, known as the 100 Bureaucrat March.
Well, that was in reverse.
The 100 Bureaucrat March, known as the Million Mom March, or where Delta Force arrested us, or detained us, or all this stuff that I've never put in films, that's frankly in many cases even more riveting than what's in my videos, that is going to be lost to the world if we don't show it.
So last night, Mike pulled out an old tape, an old hour-long tape of a demonstration we had against the Million
gun grabbers and we played it and I haven't seen this in like four years no five years was five years old and on this video it shows us peaceably standing there with a million moms hitting us with signs and yelling at us and throwing water on our cameras and then the state police at the Capitol they go then cattle on us and the state police come over and tell us well
Yes, they're the ones hitting you, and yes, we saw some of that, but I don't care if you have it on videotape, you're causing them to do that by standing there with a camera.
And, of course, then about a year later, the state lost three different $100,000 lawsuits For arresting, well one group was disabled citizens out protesting Governor Bush on the sidewalk and they arrested them.
There were two other cases of this.
And so now the state police don't do that, the A.P.E.
doesn't do that.
In Austin, Texas, they know that there's a First Amendment because they lost lawsuits.
But you can see this type of stuff in action, and it's going to be on the website in a couple days for the PrisonPlanet.tv members.
I'm going to go ahead and post that whole thing up there.
And from time to time, I'm going to start bringing back old TV shows and playing clips of them on the live broadcast.
But my point is, is that this is happening to everybody.
And this idea That, well, you didn't do anything.
You didn't even say a cuss word.
You didn't say fire in a theater.
You didn't say anything.
But because you were praying...
Or because you were videotaping the 100 bureaucrat march, or because you were holding up a sign that said, no blood for oil, and 500 Bush supporters didn't like it on the sidewalk, in their unpermitted demonstration, and you were there with your one sign saying, I don't like Bush, and so the police come arrest you and charge you with felonies, under Secret Service orders, and say, well, you could have incited something.
So again, speech cannot be punished or banned simply because it might offend a hostile mob.
Well, that's an old Supreme Court ruling.
You see, the new atmosphere is no anti-Bush signs allowed on the parade route coming up next week on the 20th for the inauguration, the coronation of our Skull and Bones leader.
No crosses allowed.
Those might incite someone.
Understand, these coronations have always been public.
The people can come out and stand on the sides of the streets and do whatever they want as long as they don't jump in the street or, you know, yell fire in the theater.
Not anymore, boys and girls.
Not anymore.
And I have seen reports of people that go to city council meetings and calmly speak And the council member doesn't like it and says, hate speech!
So see, none of this has anything to do with terrorism, but notice, with all the heightened security and the rest of it, this is all the pretext for it.
The filing by the American Family Association Center for Law and Policy seeks emergency relief in federal district court based on evidence from a December preliminary hearing.
A group of 11 Christians was preaching God's Word to a crowd of people attending the outfest event and displaying banners with biblical messages.
After a confrontation with a group called the Pink Angels, again it's all on video, they run up and scream and yell and start stuff, described by protesters as a militant mob, the Christians were arrested and spent a night in jail.
Eight charges were filed, criminal conspiracy, possession of instruments of crime, Reckless endangerment of another person.
Ethnic intimidation.
Riot.
Failure to disperse.
Disorderly conduct.
Obstructing highways.
And it's all admitted.
They were in the designated area.
The police said, you can be here.
They have video.
No weapons.
Nothing happened.
That's all admitted.
None of the Pink Angels was cited for arrest.
And it goes on and on, folks.
So this is the new America.
We'll come back.
Go to Jason, David, Alex.
Michael, Eric, and many, many others that are holding.
Then, Prince Harry says sorry for his Nazi uniform.
In fact, America's going to have a real live one who openly says he admires Hitler soon, who's actually, you know, wasn't even born here.
So, don't feel bad.
We've got ours too, but they're getting even purer ones here for us in the near future.
So, again, don't feel bad.
Also, There's just so much here, folks.
It's just amazing.
Thatcher guilty plea over coup attempt.
Very friendly fella.
And another article here, snooping by satellite, all part of the new freedom.
It's all coming up, ladies and gentlemen, after this quick break.
But do not criticize Nazis, or you will be labeled anti-Semitic, and I'm serious when I say that.
We'll be right back.
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I mean, I've got memos from Baptist churches where they're told, tell your members, don't talk about politics in the pews, because we could lose our 501c3.
That's not true!
But I mean, the government just tells the churches this, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
The government isn't supposed to be involved in religion!
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You know, my mother had a One of those evangelist tapes from, I think it was 1975, and he was predicting all this fact.
Even then, the scanners, the microchips... Exactly, but now those have all been bought up, and you tune into those shows, and it's George Bush's of the Lord, and these scanners aren't bad, and the chips aren't bad!
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You know, people tend to forget those kind of sermons when it was okay to talk about those sort of things.
I wanted to ask you, I had You had mentioned you had some footage that you haven't released on your videos and whatnot.
I don't know if you got it, but I'm writing a short film about the Patriot Act and the Constitution.
I'm contrasting the two of how it's superseding our liberties.
And, um, I'm doing it in interrogation, kind of, the guy gets pulled over for, you know, routine traffic stuff, and he's taken away by the men in black, so to speak.
And, uh, I was wondering if... I would... I want to enter it in Sundance, and I would... Would it be okay if I used clips of your documentary, uh...
Or another one, a woman arrested for eating last piece of candy bar as she walked down into the subway system.
Or a man arrested for putting feet on park bench.
Or a child arrested for saying the word poop.
But go ahead.
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It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.
Quote, how do you tell when a lawyer is lying?
Unquote.
Harvey Cash reported asked Carl Lazera.
I think they should be sent to a camp.
Tell you what, stay there.
I want to hear more about this.
Email it.
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The broadcast has, I guess, gotten off into the First Amendment, which is always a great subject to talk about.
All of our basic rights are under attack right now.
The Bill of Rights doesn't give you your rights, it simply enumerates them, points out God-given existing rights.
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A slave in Rome Who say had been grabbed out of Gaul, whose family had been killed and hauled back to Rome, who was then working out on, say, a vineyard as a slave, has a right to stand up against the slave master, even if the slave master says, it's the law that you're my slave.
Or the overused example I like to use is the black slave 200 years ago in America.
Does the black slave, who's not really a slave, as a human being, have a right, as they're being whipped, to grab the whip away and beat their would-be master over the head with it?
Well, according to this government, no!
Alberto Gonzales has said that Bush is above the law, he is the law, and that they can torture people unto death.
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Did you hear the one about the two guys arrested for telling lawyer jokes?
It happened this week to the founders of a group called Americans for Legal Reform, who were waiting in line to get into a Long Island courthouse.
Quote, how do you tell when a lawyer is lying?
Unquote.
Harvey Cash reportedly asked Carl Munzera.
His lips are moving, they said in unison.
While some waiting to get into the courthouse giggled, a lawyer farther up the line Monday was not laughing.
He told them to pipe down, and when they did not, the lawyer reported the pair to court personnel, who charged them with disorderly conduct and misdemeanor.
Quote, they just can't take it, unquote, Cash said of lawyers in general.
Quote, this violates our First Amendment rights, unquote.
Dan Bagnola, a spokesman for the Nassau County Courts, said the men were being, quote, were being disruptive, abusive, and they were causing a disturbance, unquote.
He said, He did not have the name of a lawyer who complained.
I mean, that's the gist of it.
There's a couple of other paragraphs, but... So now, what it means... Yeah, being abusive and that they were causing a disturbance for telling lawyers jokes.
That's being abusive and constitutes being arrested for a misdemeanor.
Well, that's what it's all about now in America, and I mean, Christians are facing 47 years in prison, admittedly, for praying on a street corner.
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Yeah, and I'm guessing that this was, it was a courthouse, so I'm guessing they were waiting on the sidewalk, I mean, in a public place, in a public area.
So, I mean, this really gets back to... I mean, we're not going to be able to walk down the street and say anything, I guess, pretty soon.
Well, it may hurt somebody's feelings, and then if you hurt someone's feelings, they can become upset, and that breaks down the fabric of society, or the fabric of society breaks down and aids Al Qaeda.
And I'm not being sarcastic.
This is the new idea.
Speeding, pot dealing, selling knockoff Rubik's Cubes, complaining to the VA.
I mean, they arrested him as a terrorist and said he complained to the VA.
He didn't threaten anybody, but complaining took our time up and is evil.
So Homeland Security had to go arrest the guy?
I mean, this is a new freedom, sir.
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That's it.
Really, it gets back to, I mean, when they eviscerated the unions back in Woodrow Wilson's end of the days, back in the 20s, business elites went berserk when they passed the Wagner Act of 1935.
And think of it, unions were the only really countervailing force.
And so they use the Mafia to infiltrate them and take advantage of them?
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That's right, and ever since that, unions have been eviscerated, so they've eviscerated really every fabric of social...
Any type of social consciousness or any kind of thing where you can have any kind of solidarity among people.
I mean, there's a great book on this if you want to really check into it at some point.
It's called Selling Free Enterprise.
And the woman is, it's actually the first academic study that actually came out and talked about the scientific methods of strike-breaking like the, that thing it was called, it was really referred to.
As the, uh, what was the name of the Mohawk Valley formula, really, which is really, that's what they really called it in the fifties, but, uh... Well, there were cases back in the twenties and thirties where they would just pull up with private security men with Tommy guns and start shooting people.
That was much more... I've seen film of that, them just mowing strikers down.
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It was much more violent then, but that's the reason they had to go to these more scientific methods of strike-breaking, which is really massive propaganda.
I mean, they put this in motion very Viscerously after World War II.
The book is great.
It's by this woman named Elizabeth A. Phones-Wolf.
And she doesn't profess any kind of political allegiance.
So it's not really part of this false left-right paradigm or any of it.
And I'll look for that article you just mentioned.
Please email it to me.
Let's talk to Alex in Louisiana.
Welcome, Alex.
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I got two quick points to make.
First, great interviews you had yesterday.
I'm glad you had Mr. Daniel Hostig on.
He has a lot of information and connects the dots.
So my question to you is, why do you think The leading hijackers were hanging around with all these drug dealers and foreign operatives and engaging in decadent parties.
Do you think they were trying to create a cover?
Or was it real and somehow these people were involved in 9-11?
Well, I mean, clearly we have hijackers trained at U.S.
military bases, that's admitted.
Clearly these guys were government operatives.
They thought, from the evidence I have, that they were part of a training drill Because, you know, James Woods, the actor, had seen Atta and four other guys on a plane doing hijack simulations, and Woods got on the plane and said, they're trying to hijack.
And the FBI said, we'll arrest you under national security if you tell anybody.
So we know that there was a drill going.
These Al-Qaeda operatives actually were government operatives.
They thought they were part of a drill.
Some could argue that they then hijacked themselves.
But why did NORAD stand down?
Why did all this happen?
So, all we know is the government knew and paid the hijackers.
Then you can argue about what happened once they were on board the aircraft.
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And second, I'm angry at the recent immigration booklet that the Mexican government published encouraging illegal immigration because, I mean, that is almost a direct act of war and the U.S.
Well, can you imagine if Say France published a booklet on how to get illegal aliens into Germany and how to take Germany over.
Or if the Flemish put together a booklet about how to infiltrate France.
Yes, it is an act of war.
It is an act of prosecution of war.
But again, Wall Street wants this.
Wall Street wants to get rid of our borders, wants the Pan-American Union, and is actually spurring Mexico to do this.
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Absolutely.
Talk about double standards, you know.
The government allows millions of illegals to come in and damage the economy and society at the same time placing Police state measures on its citizens to protect us against terrorism.
Everything we do is going to be tracked and traced.
No freedoms.
Arrested for any reason.
Giant prisons are being built everywhere.
Accelerating this police state incarceration institutionalization grid.
And then the actual Homeland Security Bill Part 2 they just passed.
The Intelligence Reform Act as they called it.
In that baby, in this omnibus monster, they actually have part of the amnesty bill in there to make the states and cities accept fake ID cards from foreigners.
Hey, listen, your prior caller picked up, or left off, pick up.
In fact, I fetched you an outline of my book the other day, and the title of the book is, Supply-Side Economics, Globalization, the End of Capitalism and Democracy, a Corridor to 9-11.
And in the book, I use the evolution of the greatest generation, and I go from the year 45 through 75, and I talk about how they did form the unions and they came up with the regulatory agencies to basically and I talk about how they did form the unions and they came up with the regulatory agencies to basically take And then comes technology around the year 1970.
And then now, this is the same thing we did in other countries, once they get us dependent, then they take the pie away.
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Well, my point was that technology allowed the system, and I call it the system because it allowed the system to exploit another labor force.
When our companies were able to start going into Mexico, you know, technology, real-time information, the intranet, you know, that allowed the supply chain to, you know, come from another source... Yeah, well, to come from 50 places and then all be assembled somewhere else.
Well, yeah, and so as... And then another thing, too, is when you look at that generation, after World War II, the country was basically united.
and and with it all all the sacrifices that they had that they they occurred you know during world war ii the third depression that that it wasn't that the use that it wasn't the union it was the people behind the union there was nobody going to take whatever they thought that they had to show on the other the other side.
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And so, by setting up the economic system where slavery is honored and slavery excels, you then set up an economic climate where slavery spreads.
And the middle class disappears, and you have a giant underclass with a small ruling elite who are not free market ruling over the population.
But good points, Richard.
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All right, ladies and gentlemen, we're now into hour number two on this Thursday, the 13th day of January 05, yesterday.
Yes, we've made it well into 05 now, my friends.
And there is so much news and information I want to talk about with our esteemed guest, Colonel Craig Roberts, best-selling author of One Shot One Kill, a Marine Corps sniper in Vietnam, also a colonel, of course, in the Army.
Worked in Army Intelligence, helicopter pilot, SWAT team officer in the police department, did detective work on Oklahoma City.
Quite a renaissance man when it comes to the security services and the military.
And we haven't had him on, well we had him on a few months ago for a little while just to pop in, but I hadn't had Craig on in about six months for several hours.
And I know a lot of you are glad to hear him back on the show.
There's a bunch of news.
I want to talk about the war in Iraq.
I know you can't say too much because you could be called up to active duty anytime.
You're pretty much a young'un compared to some of the guys who are 75 years old getting called back up into advisory capacities.
First off, they've announced that they may not just make the National Guard stay in Iraq for two years, now they're talking about four years, but all the military science says that The average person can't handle more than a tour of combat.
Eleven months.
How do you make people stay in combat for four years, Colonel?
If you're talking about year-long tours, two tours is about as much as anybody can stand.
It's a much more far-reaching problem than that, besides the psychological effect.
Well, let's talk about the psychological effect for a minute.
You have different types of people.
You've got people who can take it and look forward to it, and it's the adrenaline rush, and the adventure, and this is something I'm doing with my life.
Then you have people who, they want to be home, and they want to deal with their family, raise the kids, and work in a cubicle, or sell shoes to women at the mall, and that's their objective in life.
You put those types of people in the same combat scenario you put the first group in, You're going to have some problem areas because these guys don't want to be there to begin with.
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And Craig, you were continuing to talk about these latest memos that came out.
Then we're going to get into Oklahoma City and a bunch of other police state issues, but We were talking about how they're now not just going to have the National Guard in for two years' active duty.
Well, again, what we're running into psychologically is a situation that people weren't prepared for when they enlisted in the reserves and the guardians.
Yes, they understand that if you have a war, your job is to put the uniform on, pack your sea bag, and go deal with it for however long it takes, whether it's one year, three years, a duration, or whatever.
But they weren't prepared to deal with something like this where they get deployed in third world nations on a foreign legion type operation where You know, they're taken out of their hometown.
Well, this is fine, but when you keep doing it over and over and over, where they can't plan their lives, then you've got a problem, because psychologically, they're thinking of other things, too.
They're not only thinking about, I've got to go to war, and it's dangerous.
The enlistment rate in the Reserves and Guards is going to go down.
That's going to hurt us in the future.
But you and I both know there's a higher agenda at work here as well.
And I think that agenda is that if we send all of our people overseas, there's no one home to watch the chickens.
And that falls back over to Barry McGaffrey's deal of when he gave the graduation speech to the Cascade class up in Fort Leavenworth, that if we get deployed overseas on two or more fronts, And I'm paraphrasing here, that should a national emergency occur at home where we need our military, we will be forced to call upon foreign assets.
We know, and I've got friends on Border Patrol down there, who have gone into houses, abandoned houses.
Farmers have just given up and left.
They said, I can't even live here anymore.
And they've gone into these abandoned houses and these ranches, and they found prayer rugs, and they found Korans, and they found notebooks all in Islamic.
You know, these aren't people coming over here to pick fruit.
These are terrorists.
They're coming across the border.
So if we're going to fight the war on terror, why aren't we starting doing it here?
But let's go back to... I mean, it's not just not sending your family.
I mean, you were on a SWAT team.
You were in Vietnam.
You've been on both sides of this.
Sending people in four days a week to raid hundreds of homes a week And to go into these houses, to do these raids, I mean, this is serious combat, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year.
All the statistics and studies show that is totally exhausting, and most people can't handle that.
But you have the new guys coming in and the people who get hurt most normally are the new people because they're the ones that make the mistakes because they haven't learned yet.
When I was in Vietnam, we got to where, after about six months of being in the bush, we got to where I could tell you, Alex, if we were on a patrol, that there was a tripwire 25 yards ahead, or there was a punji pad pit off to the side of the road, I could tell you if there was a sniper in the treeline over there, because the hair would just stand up in the back of my neck, and I just knew it.
You know, you go in a restaurant, and you know as well as I do, being a personality, you sit down, you know when somebody's staring at you, and you don't have to look at them.
That's just a waste of... Let me stop you, and I understand that you're... You could be called up any time, so you have to be careful about what you say, but they're having whole groups of troops now quit And then the media goes and looks at it, and it's true, where half their guns don't work.
And they're saying, well, it doesn't matter.
We're sending you back, and it doesn't matter if your gun is failing half the time you shoot it.
There were Marines in Hill 881 and 881 South that were found dead on the side of the hill assaulting this mountain with field-stripped weapons trying to unjam them.
And, uh, so, a friend of mine was involved in an investigation on this.
He's the one that reported it, investigated it, and says, we gotta do something, get this thing off the battlefield until it's fixed, or get it out of here and give us our M-14s back.
This was in the Marine Corps.
It got up about two levels in command and got roadblocked.
And, uh, the more they tried to fight it, the more they were told, you'll ruin your career if you, you know, uh, do anything about this.
So just go, be quiet, it'll be fixed, don't worry about it.
Well, while it's being fixed, I'm losing Marines over here.
And, so, as an example, what they did, is my friend made major and then he was forced to retire.
The Army is almost as bad politically as well because you don't make waves.
Well, come to find out, in the case of the M16, instead of having rifles that were built by subcontractors scattered all over the country like all of our other weapons had been built by, Colt Firearms had bought the whole thing from Armalite.
And so Colt Firearms was the sole manufacturer for the first time in American history of all infantry weapons.
We had 12 of them, where they had machine guns mounted in the back on pedestals.
We could drive those things anywhere, but they ran on gas and not diesel fuel, and so that was a strike against them, because the military wanted to go to diesel fuel and multi-fuel.
Alright, I've got a whole host of issues that I want to talk about with my good friend Craig Roberts.
And I know you want to get involved on air.
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Craig, I want to talk about Oklahoma City because you really are an expert on this.
And I've interviewed probably 50 people on the subject, but you work the case.
You've got basically the same views that I've got from the evidence.
Clearly a government bombing.
Clearly government involvement.
That is criminal elements of the Clinton administration.
And now we've got American Free Press reporting on something that you covered years ago, but they've even got more government documents now.
OKC bombshell implicates feds in Murrah Blast, and I covered this yesterday with Pat Shannon.
The reason I'm covering it again today is because Oklahoma City is even a clearer inside job than September 11th.
And it really shows us with their pants down what they're up to.
And I want to specifically get into Harry Everhart, this high-level BATF individual assigned to the National Security Council, and tell folks about this.
Well, I don't have a whole lot on Everhart other than the fact that on day one, everybody has to understand, and you see it all the time, Anytime something happens on the news, the only good information you get is day one, hour one.
And then after that, key items in the news disappear or they get glossed over or explained away to where by day two, it's not even the same story anymore.
On day one, it was a terrorist event, it was a missile, and by day three, they didn't know what it was, and eventually it was a center fuel tank, and the plane decided to blow itself up, one day committed suicide.
Uh, Oklahoma City, on day one, there's so many things that happened, just in the first three to four hours.
And the guy that doesn't even live in Oklahoma City, who's part of a National Security Council secret drill doing truck bombs out in the desert, is there and phones it into the media, going, it's an AMFO bomb.
When in actual fact we all know now, and we knew then, that there were other explosive charges already inside the building that had gone off before the truck was detonated.
We have since tracked down some of the people that were involved in placing those charges according to eyewitnesses.
But yet the federal government doesn't want to talk about it.
They don't want to even hear about it.
They're doing the three monkey routine.
At the same time, at 902 and 903, right afterwards, the explosion goes off, and right afterwards, there were people who showed up wearing black SWAT uniforms that we were told were ATF guys.
And then we were told that ATF wasn't in the building that day.
One was a brown GMC pickup leaving the scene high rate of speed with two to three Middle Eastern males in it wearing blue jogging suits that had left the front door of the building that had held the parking place for the Ryder truck.
For the first 20 minutes here in Oklahoma, that never got outside of the state, you may be hearing this here for the first time, it was a natural gas explosion.
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For those that just joined us, a high-level FBI agent, Danny Colson, said that he was in Dallas on April 19th, 1995, and told Newsweek and Time Magazine this, and said, oh, I didn't take a plane, I decided to drive up there.
Thank you.
Because, again, he didn't have a record of how he really got there.
Then it turns out with the hotel receipts, he was really there the night before.
And so he was there to direct things and get the official story out.
But then on top of it, we have Harry Everhart.
And he witnessed the blast from nearby and called the BATF office in Dallas to excitedly announce someone has just blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City with a truckload of info.
He did this within 10 minutes.
He was part of a secret and Congress has now released this.
This is public.
Part of a secret National Security Council set of drills and tests they did practicing blowing up cars, trucks, and vans out in the New Mexico desert in the 12 months preceding the Oklahoma City bombing.
Now imagine, he doesn't live in Oklahoma.
He's there, on the scene, there, when it blows up and calls it in to the BATF, who then calls it in to the media and, oh, it's an AMFO bomb.
Now, think of the chances of that.
Why is Danny Colson, this high-level FBI agent, over anti-terrorism operations?
Why is he there and then lying about being there?
Why is all this happening and going on?
And I would add to this, Colonel Roberts, on 9-11 we have National Security Council doing a CIA-controlled drill of flying jets into buildings in New York and D.C.
NORAD is told it's a drill, air traffic controllers in the civilian area say, is this a drill?
They think it's part of the drill.
Vigilant Guardian and Tripod and all of these.
Same thing.
Putin.
They blow up three apartment buildings in 99 to get martial law going and to attack the Chechens.
Moscow police in a sting catch FSB planting bombs, heterogen bombs, in a fourth apartment building and then Putin goes, oh it was just a drill.
So it looks to me like they are always doing these drills over the operation because it's Highly compartmentalized and specialized in case other law enforcement breaks through the wall or citizens report it and they get busted.
Well, looking at that part as the author of the Medusa file, as an investigative journalist, the questions I would be looking at on that, and I think the answer would be that if you and I were going to plan to do something Then we would be able to plan a cover for it as well, that if the actual operation failed, and we got caught in it, we could say, well, it was just a drill.
But what's the chances, what's the chances of having somebody who lives in New York City being there outside the building when the bomb goes off, who ran the test for a National Security Council, uh, drill, uh, I mean what's the chances of that, Craig?
Well, I mean, you say you don't know much about this character, but you were the first person, years and years and years ago, who talked about the government drill blowing up the trucks.
Well, yeah, and we knew that that had been going on, and they were trying to figure out how much it would take to cause certain amounts of blast damage at a certain radius using different types of explosives, and one of them was ammonium nitrate fertilizer soaked with diesel fuel or whatever in the back of a moving van.
But when it was brought to their attention by bomb experts, that that truck doing that according to their own data could not have done this damage to the Murrah Building, all of a sudden that story evaporated.
Because what they tried to do is they tried to use that to show that McVeigh and this truck did this damage, and here we experimented out in the desert, and you can see how big of an explosion this is.
But when they actually analyzed the blast damage coefficient, in other words, the shockwave dissipates as it goes out through the air.
They've got all the different giant 18-wheeler tractor trailers full of plastic explosives parked right up against buildings and all it does is blow the face off of them.
And that was my key point at one of the FBI meetings I went to.
I stood there in front of a whole room full of guys and I said, hey, I know none of you have any experience in explosives, but let me just give you an example that you can understand.
Here are the pictures of the Murrah Building with what's supposed to be ammonium nitrate, which is low-order explosives.
It's concussive, but it doesn't have a lot of presence.
I was trying to say that and probably didn't do it well.
Sometimes I get too technical, but if you look at the Kovar Towers, they drive up with a tanker truck Full of Semtex, which is basically C4, which is plastic explosives, which is a high explosive like Detcord.
And hardly, I don't know if anybody even got hurt in the thing.
This giant explosive went off, and that's all it did, to a building made in Saudi Arabia with poor concrete, very little reinforcing, mostly sandcast, and then you put that up against the Murrah Building, you know, this dog just doesn't hunt.
Well, plus you have the building blown out, columns further back, blasted off with clean blast points, and General Partin did an examination just of the photos, and it's like, here's the blast points.
They didn't want experts coming in there looking at the columns.
You've got Jane Graham, who says she saw Andrea Strassmeyer.
She saw some guy named Gary Lewis, I think was his name, and she identified him, picked him out of photos, said, these are the guys I saw in the building.
That's right, there's surveillance on the building because people are going to federal courthouses and places like Denver and they're going to blow the Murrow building up in the next month.
You've got guys who witnessed people coming out on the sidewalk and holding hoops over their head like hula hoops and turning around like they're trying to do directional finding on a tracking device.
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Now, I mean, but, so this doesn't go over people's heads.
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It's a cancer, and it builds, and they only recruit the people... You go back to the 60s.
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And when it gets exposed, it's like the deal that happened in California where They said that we've got evidence that the CIA has been running drugs into the streets of Los Angeles.
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Well, of course, my first question is what happened to the laws that I was trained at the police academy that you can't stop a vehicle without probable cause or reasonable belief that a crime has been committed.
You can't just stop a vehicle because you don't like its color or because you're going to stop the next ten vehicles and see if there's any bad guys inside.
What's happened is we are not taught in our schools anymore on constitutional law and on rights and laws like we were 30 years ago.
So the kids growing up today just go along with it because big brother is out there to help you, and he says you're supposed to do it and you're not supposed to question it.
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We're being conditioned to line up like a bunch of ducks and just say, yes sir, yes sir, three bags full, high diddle diddle, walk up the middle, Don't bother anybody.
I'm sure you've heard, now the TSA is being dispatched to the inauguration in other cities.
They're going to train police how to quote, profile people with behavioral sciences, and then they're going to have this all over the streets, all over the roads now, Colonel.
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But Allen N. in Kansas was bringing up a really important point.
He was talking about how Oklahoma passed a law saying we're not going along with the new world order instructing congress that uh... in washington that they better not go along with it and shortly after there was a huge movement against the u n the new world order everybody was waking up is that there was a huge awakening happening and boom oklahoma city and then it gets blamed on the patriots and then clearly we have government operatives there at the scene uh... clearly involved Anything else you wanted to add, Allen?
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Well, you talk about now seeing people wake up, and what I'm trying to say by bringing this up again is during this time in 1994, we had people go to meetings of a thousand, three thousand, I was one of the three to four thousand with people meeting there and discussing these matters about world governance, and there was quite a bit of resistance to world governance at the time, and it was building.
Because day one, Bill Clinton came out and said it's the evil right-wingers, those who believe in a world government.
Thanks for the call.
I want to get a comment.
Craig Roberts was just talking about this in the last hour, but Jack McClam, I think we're having an even bigger awakening right now, and I think the danger of the globalists carrying out more attacks is higher than ever.
What do you think about the callers' point of there was a big movement against the New World Order, they passed a law in Oklahoma, and then a few months later they get a building blown up?
Yes, that certainly did hurt the awakening across the nation, at least those who were willing to stand up.
We had a lot of guys ducked for cover over that, and it's too bad.
But you know, it's always been that way.
As Colonel Roberts knows, when the bullets start flying and the blood starts running, you begin to see who's going to be with you and who's not going to be with you.
There's so many of these alleged patriots that were all standing behind podiums and waving flags until then, and then all of a sudden they became scarce commodities.
And what's interesting, Alex, let's go back in time a little bit, rewind the tape here, from 1992 or 1993 up until 1995 there was another phenomenon that was occurring besides militias being formed and all kinds of self-defense forces being contemplated and organized and so on.
Gun shows were growing and people were buying ammunition because they were so afraid of what the liberals were doing in Washington and so afraid of the Clintons and the globalists and so on They were buying ammunition.
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It looked like they were equipping for war right there.
On the 5th of April of 1995, against the Brady Bunch and against the Omnibus Crime Control Act that year and so on, in my police uniform, which I got in trouble for, but so be it.
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And when I was in Washington, I was up there for three or four days, and I was escorted around to all kinds of different functions and cocktail parties and so on to talk to the bigwigs.
And this is an interview with a congressman and all of that.
And I found that, when I mentioned, do you guys realize what's happening out in the real world?
Do you understand that people out here, the average honest citizen is getting together and having meetings and forming militia units and arming themselves with teeth because they fear you, they fear the government.
And they looked at me with this blind look and said, what are you talking about?
Well, you know, I think to this day, though, they're in their ivory towers and they don't know that what was going on then, it's 50 times that, because most of it's underground.
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Jack, the points that the caller and Craig were just making...
Again, in the decade I've been fighting the globalists, I have never seen people waking up so fast.
I've never seen the public listening and believing and checking out what I'm saying on other people's talk shows, on talk shows where the talk show host attacks me.
We deal with mostly military and law enforcement here, but that is very, very true.
My email especially, even from out of the country, from soldiers, and of course police officers too, many serving in the Middle East right now and other places, are awakening.
We have more and more soldiers taking a stand and saying they're not going to go back and fight this war for oil, war for Israel over there.
And it's happening almost daily now.
In the law enforcement military area, we have letters coming in from police officers, I have two right here in front of me, saying no to tyranny and saying no to allowing the feds to come into the county and use them to take property without due process.
I mean, there's an awakening in law enforcement, the military, and in the private sector like we've never seen either.
I'm running into people now when I do seminars and talk shows and so on, that before, you know, two or three years ago, they had their head in the sand.
I had, you know, several years ago, back in 96, 95, 94, right in there, Well, after 95, when I started really digging into Oklahoma City bombing and writing reports no one wanted to see, our own Special Investigation Division assigned an officer to watch me.
Well, I want to ask Jack McClam about this because his organization, probably no one out there interfaces more with law enforcement, peace officers, the military.
You know, a lot of these guys and gals, they're not bad people, they're good people, so they've made psychological excuses for what they're doing, violating the Bill of Rights and Constitution, and because they're good, they can't imagine that they're compartmentalized in a structure that's doing bad, and they can't imagine that superiors would be bad.
Have you found that's part of the psychological problem?
It certainly is, but I'll tell you what, More and more of these soldiers and police officers are seeing through it because they're actually getting involved in it in their own areas.
We have, like I say, two letters here of police officers taking an active part of standing up and saying no to things they're being told to do, orders and so forth.
And we had Sergeant Kevin Venderman on twice yesterday on my two radio programs.
You know about him saying no, he's not going to go back.
I heard him telling a story about there's a kid bringing them an RPG to show them where a cache is and normally the child would be killed but he was just showing them where the cache was, a ten year old.
Yes, and he was basically felt that he should shoot this kid But he hesitated long enough for the kid to show him that he was just showing him the weapon and showed him where cash and weapons were.
So there's more of these soldiers we're hearing from all the time now and law enforcement too that are seeing through this and I think it's because of all the information going out there like on your show Alex and all the publications and they're beginning to think twice now.
Maybe some of this could be true that we're hearing about.
And so we're finding that they're beginning to ask questions.
Six months from now, a year and a half from now, we wake up, a major city's been hit by a suitcase nuke, smallpox has been released, they're declaring a lockdown for your safety, they're telling us our freedoms are out the window for now, but of course the border will stay wide open.
Do you gentlemen, both of you, see this happening, A, and B, how do you see it playing out?
Well, I think, and I've been predicting this for a long time, I am totally surprised that they haven't launched a nuke someplace already, some suitcase nuke someplace.
And Alex, there's two things going on right now that you need to be made aware of.
One is is they've been briefing on what ifs on the suitcase nukes.
What if they did one Monday, another one Tuesday, another one Wednesday, and on Thursday said, you surrender or else we keep doing this.
Well, number one, all the cities are gonna panic.
People are gonna flood the countryside.
No one's going to want to stay inside of the city.
If you throw some anthrax or plague or something, virus on top of that, or smallpox, then what you've got is a giant population reduction program underway.
Last night they did a show on, it wasn't a show, it was on our local news right here, about there's been like 15 of these incidents that have been reported in the last 90 days.
I'm telling you right now, the first time that we lose a civilian airliner coming out of some inland state, to a shoulder-launch SAM, and then another one in another city, the air industry is dead in this country for all intents and purposes.
And once that's dead, also the air cargo industry, and once the air cargo industry is dead, and FedEx and UPS and all this stuff doesn't fly anymore, and the post office doesn't fly anymore, and you're shutting down the entire country just with one business, and that's aviation.
It's got to come because you see, everything that the Bush crime family and these internationalists have to get done has to get done through sheer terror.
And we know that we keep getting military people talking to us about their hearing from their sources that the draft is coming maybe June, maybe even before that.
And to sell the American people on These type of things and also to stop Alex Jones and all these people broadcasting and sending out publications that are waking so many.
It's a geometric progression today that they've got to stop.
They've got to have more terrorism and it's got to be bad.
It's got to be so bad that when they suspend the Constitution and the First Amendment, surely to stop all of us and to sell the draft that the American people will say, well, the government's here to help us and we've got to go along with it.
We also feel that there'll be a push if they can kill a hundred thousand to a half a million Americans or more in this next one.
There will probably, we've had some very good sources say that they will try to say that, listen, all the terrorists out there have weapons, they have guns, so we're asking the good citizens to turn in their weapons so that we will know who the bad citizens are, who the bad guys are.
So there's going to be a lot of push this year we believe to very serious terrorism attacks on America because they have to have it.
They can't tell the American people on these type of things unless they have total fear and panic in the street.
Kind of unrelated to the current topic, just the previous ones, unless you want to put me in the back of the bus for later or take another call.
Yeah, the notion that poverty breeds revolver violence is really a fallacy.
It's been generated internally only in the most rare, exceptional circumstance.
If only because the impoverished are always too weak to rebel without being squashed.
So the real truth is that the so-called successful revolts are almost always engineered, as you've pointed out, from the top down.
I was kind of having too much fun with John, I think, the almost honest communist, when he kept choking, jumping past the installation era of Fidel Castro.
When I tried to pin him down on who installed Castro, he kept jumping to the ostensible remover.
Roberts, McClam, for people who don't get this, can you, in a nutshell, and then after the break, explain the false dialectic and how the globalists control fascism and communism?
It goes all the way back to the original Bauer plan, which was control both sides of a conflict and it doesn't matter who wins or loses because they both end up in your debt and you end up in charge.
It's the same deal.
The only difference between fascism And communism is that there are only a few degrees of separation at the opposite end of the circle.
When you get all the way around there, they're both basically doing the same thing for their own agenda.
It's all command and control or neo-feudalism, serfdom, slavery, tyranny, despotism, domination of the human spirit.
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Almost every institution is controlled by the Hegelian dialectic, and especially through this new consensus process.
Well, it's not new, but that is a part of the Hegelian dialectic where they create problems and then they come up with solutions that people wouldn't have accepted had they not created the problem to begin with.
So our whole nation is controlled by this process.
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And so, yeah, it's completely throughout our whole system today.
Well, you know, he's part of the same group as the rest of them.
He was a skull and bones guy, just like Kerry and a lot of the others, and Scroll and Key and all of that bunch.
It all goes back to, through the CFR to the Royal Society for International Affairs, the Globalist Roundtable Group in London, whose simple deal is very simple.
Now, at that time, when all of those countries are on the same ball of wax, they're totally disarmed, they're all in line, the population's been reduced, We have the New World Order.
Well, where I was going with that is somebody needs to investigate to find out where the money's going on the manufacturing of Humvees, and where the money's going on all the modifications, all the improvements, and all the armor.
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Now, I want to just throw news articles out at both of you before we take a few final calls, and I want to get your quick response or take on it.
We talked about this in the last hour.
The American Free Press, OKC bombshell implicates Feds and Murrah Blast.
We knew they were doing tests of blowing up trucks and cars.
The very BATF officer that was over this for the National Security Council, for Bill Clinton personally, Harry Everhart was there on the ground outside the building when the bomb went off, and he's the one that called it in, saying it was an ANFO bomb.
I'll tell you, that thing stinks all the way through, as Greg can tell you.
I mean, there's nothing that works for that situation.
Alex, back years ago, We were the ones, our police team, that went to Arkansas from nine different states to reinvestigate the execution of Sheriff Dean Matthews and Gordon Call.
We were able to find out the truth of who killed who, how Gordon Call and the Sheriff were executed, because they left the crime scene there.
And so, ever since then, they've always removed the crime scenes within days after they do one of their things, like Oklahoma City and the Waco Holocaust down there.
They always go in Remove the crime scene.
Or 9-11.
Yeah, 9-11.
And so nobody can go in and find out who the true bad guys are.
When they were pulled out of the water, they were taken someplace else because one of them had taken a missile hit right in the side of it and was burned up.
They, they, they buried it, uh, and then they put a fence around it, and then they put security guards on it, so you couldn't even go there to dig up pieces of it.
And said, we can go in to each of these little tiny squares, these little counties, and we can further break these down into 10 meter grid squares.
Not 100 meter, but 10 meter grid squares for searches, or for identification, or for locating anything, and then we can home in on that by satellite, or other means.
You know, that was pretty frightening that they were even thinking about doing something like that, because who would care?
And it just came out, what we knew years ago, they're going to have yearly census and they're going to try to make you answer all these questions when you have a Fifth Amendment and they're going to take all these integrated databases and put them into the Census Department.
When you understand who the Who the crime families are that control this nation, they're perfect for a totalitarian system.
I just had an interview with the leader of the Patriot Freedom Movement in New Zealand just a few days ago, Leo Hellyer, and he's talking about something we need to talk more about in America here, Alex, and that is water control.
That's right, and they've just come up here trying to GPS our wells in our Christian constitutional communities.
We ran them off, and the sheriff's backing us and saying, you can't come on their properties unless you're invited.
But he said that they're now metering the wells down there, and they've actually locked down some of the wells.
Of course, what happens in Australia and New Zealand, the same thing begins to happen here and it's starting right now in America doing these same things.
It may go over well in some areas back east around California but you get out in the Midwest and run into some of the backwoods areas like the one I live in and there's going to be problems.
I'll tell you what, the guys aren't coming on our property now but one thing we have to remember years and years ago The BOR, the Soviet BOR spy named Henry Kissinger, said to control nations you control oil, to control people you control food, but what better way to control the people that control the water that grows the food and keeps people alive?
Yeah, guys, I'd like to hit several points real quick and let you respond when I get off.
First off, the Daily Oklahoman reported after the bombing that a ATF agent and a DEA agent claimed to be trapped in an elevator at the Murrow bombing.
Apparently, the government offered anyone there in the building at the time, any government employee, early retirement.
The DEA guy asked for early retirement, yet Fire Rescue said when they got to that particular elevator, there was no one in it.
Also, how much vested interest does the County Sheriff and the OCPD have in keeping quiet on this?
Any foreknowledge?
Also, the Russians used Muslim troops from the provinces for craft control in Russia because the Russians wouldn't shoot on Russians.
And finally, a female U.S. Army officer has recently been brought up on charges for letting the U.S. Army troops salvage Humvee parts from a salvage yard in Kuwait.
Is that because of the DU or because of the money involved?
There was nobody in that elevator and those guys lied about it.
The elevator company went and inspected it and that elevator did not free fall.
They didn't get hurt in it and they went up to Dr. Chumley afterwards and said we want you to Uh, you know, write a medical report and bandage me up and say that I was hurt in an elevator when that didn't happen.
They're still out running around, and they backed down when they were faced by the elevator company in court and said that, no, this didn't happen, and all of a sudden that whole line just went away.
Because they were getting problems because they were all out of the building, and it told police who were told not to come in So, thank you for the call.
I want to get some final comments here from Jack McClam, but to bring up another issue, there was a military officer down in Louisiana unloading coffins with flags on them, and the family wanted everybody to see the sacrifice, and the military officer, I've got the reporter, just said, look, I don't care what the Pentagon tells me, we're going to show people these coffins.
In talking to Kevin Venderman, he says that There's almost whole squads that are going AWOL right now and not going back to Iraq after they've been there the first time.
So there are some good things happening.
We've got some great soldiers and police officers that love God and freedom who are standing up today and private citizens by the millions, I think.
So I'm hopeful.
We here at our police and military association are hopeful.
It's just that we've got to get as much done as we can and awaken as many as we can before they do the next terrorism attack.
One of them is to link all of the support for the terrorists that are in Iraq today to Iran, and in order to shut off their logistical supply base, we've got to go into Iran.
Syria would be easier to take than Iran would be, except Iran has... By the way, they've already announced, just like with Cambodia, our troops have already been in Syria for months, and now they're going to start more public attacks.
There's just so many scenarios that could be played out because what you've got is you've got a monopoly set and you've got all these players on the board.
I think that they're going to be called into this thanks sooner or later and we're going to have people like Germany and Italy and who all playing greater parts and things.
The problem is, what I don't want to see is those guys coming over here policing our streets.
Well, a lot of these reports, because we're totally taking all the fighting men and women out of this nation, the National Guard, the Reserves, the Army, of course, and during the VA, the Veterans Administration, or Veterans, Holiday that just passed.
There was no military equipment to use in the parades here.
They're totally denuding this nation of any fighting machinery or people.
So, when the next terrorism goes on, folks, let me tell you, the American people will accept foreign troops, supervising them for their own safety.
We've got military bases all over the place that house people we're training.
You go to Fort Polk, Louisiana on Operation Cooperative, Project Cooperative Nugget, and we're teaching them how to go door-to-door and take away guns.
I got the internal documents on the Texas Guard itself, and over it is a former SAS British officer, and he's over these domestic takeover units, and it is for domestic control.
You're right.
Well, Jack McClam, I want to thank you so much for coming on with us.
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Have you heard anything about that?
I think Willie Gonzales and I think Burr was the name of the lawyer.
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