Alex Jones and Congressman Ron Paul dissect the December 2004 push for Patriot Act II, a bill they argue mandates national ID cards, biometric surveillance, and open borders that facilitate illegal immigration. The broadcast details legal battles involving Dr. Tennant's arrest over vaccine safety claims and critiques media double-think regarding Arnold Schwarzenegger and election fraud allegations involving Diebold machines. Ultimately, the episode frames these policies as steps toward a New World Order, urging listeners to resist federal overreach through local legislation and alternative media while warning of an engineered economic collapse. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm your host, Alex Jones, and we're going to be live for the next three hours.
And we have four guests today, but we're also going to have time for your calls.
Elaine Donnelly will be joining us from the Center for Military Readiness about Bush.
He wants women in frontline combat, and he wants it now.
Of course, Bill Clinton tried this, and he was universally decried.
Bush does it.
And literally, I've heard the neocon saying, you're not a conservative if you're not for it.
You're not for open borders, if you're not for satellite tracker boxes in your car taxing you, if you're not for national ID cards, if you're not for a doubling in the growth rate of government, you are a liberal, ladies and gentlemen.
So, while we're against women in frontline combat, I am a commie, ladies and gentlemen, let's just admit it.
So, Elaine Donnelly will be joining us to talk about this.
Then, that's just for 30 minutes, coming up in about 30 minutes.
Then, for the next half of the next hour, we're going to have Dr. Tennant on.
He's the guy the doctor arrested for complaining too much.
The Homeland Security even told the Quad City Times he didn't threaten anybody, but complaining too much is an act of terrorism.
They're charging him and hitting him hard.
Trying to make sure he spends time under the jail for calling too much.
And then Vicky Karp joins us.
They're going to have a big march in downtown Austin this weekend.
And I've been asked to speak at the Capitol there at the rally.
I'll be pleased to do that on Sunday at high noon.
But Vicky Karp will be joining us to talk about some of the election fraud that's been chronicled in the November 2nd election.
And then in the third hour, Bev Harris, one of the Grand Poobahs, one of the big experts nationally on electronic voting fraud and just the scams that have proliferated across our nation.
She'll be joining us as well for the second half of the broadcast, almost exclusively on election fraud, though I'll intersperse other key news items throughout that section of the transmission.
When we get back, though, I want to get into Iraq and the economy and the dollar, and I want to get into the new Patriot Act that was passed to take care of you and your family.
Large sections of it, according to Ron Paul, who joined us yesterday.
And, of course, the National ID Card.
And I'll be on Pastor Butch Posh broadcast tonight from 8 to 9 Central, exclusively talking about the ID card if you want the full history of it and what it means.
Here on this same network, the GCN network that I am on.
And also we will be getting into, well those troops getting up and asking Rumsfeld pointed questions.
And I wasn't going to cover this yesterday, Until they said, oh, a reporter planted the questions, and so now the questions aren't pertinent.
You see, embedded reporters aren't allowed to ask questions, and other reporters aren't allowed into these press conferences, so they're staged.
And so to get around it, he got some of the troops to ask questions.
They wouldn't have asked the questions if they weren't concerned.
The questions are still valid.
But that's the double-think, how dare them traitor troops want armor!
They're liberals!
The fat bellies in their easy chairs say.
This is how you support the troops.
You don't give them armor and you let them take deadly vaccines.
You force it on them and you let them breathe DU.
And then if you're for the troops, you're against them.
I'm learning the double-think daily here.
So we'll come back and plunge into all of this after these short messages.
I want to talk about spin.
Perhaps I can calm down a bit and go over just a few examples of spin.
The more subtle, crafty forms of spin.
So you can be conscious of spin.
We'll be right back with spin.
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One of my friends, a documentary film producer, just got back from a week in Los Angeles, and a lot of people out there knew that he was associated with me, so they'd say, yeah, we're all for this anti-Arnold movement, but Alex Jones He said he got this a lot.
Needs to get off the Nazi stuff, and get off the steroid stuff, and get off the sexual harassment stuff.
And he needs to get on to other things, you know.
This other stuff's old.
And...
Well, we need to just focus on the other things that are bad about Schwarzenegger.
You know, how he's involved with all the special interests and says he isn't.
We need to get in and talk about that.
Well, you know, my advice to them is they need to go start their own websites and start their own organizations.
But this is what's happened.
And this is spin.
On the, I don't know, 20 interviews I've done in California alone the last three weeks since we launched ArnoldExposed.com, Every talk show host, even those that are for what we're doing, say, well, you know, we all heard this during the gubernatorial campaign.
And it didn't hurt him then.
And so why are you bringing it up now?
That's the mantra in print media.
Well, yes, we heard these allegations before.
We've already been over this.
Well, the media said that A year ago, when he was running for governor.
It was, well, we've heard this for years, and people really don't care, and so let's not talk about it.
And everybody says, okay, let's not talk about it.
See, that's spin.
It's, let's just change the subject.
Okay, people don't want to hear about this.
Okay, I'll shut up.
You see, that's an example of psychology in play there.
Somebody saying, I don't care if Kurt Volthaim's a Nazi, I love him and I'm going to go campaign for him in the middle of a huge firestorm.
Or somebody who, you know, these aren't old allegations which he hasn't denied of just randomly grabbing on women.
Uh, the Enron information.
Most people don't even know about that.
It's been in some mainstream papers that he was involved with Enron, but nobody, the media again, won't quote you on that.
Won't discuss it.
Out of a score of newspapers I've been interviewed by, they just won't mention Enron.
They won't bring in the other serious issues.
Now think about anybody else.
You know, they said, well forget it if he says he doesn't care if somebody's a Nazi and likes him and wants to be a dictator.
Let's just move on.
They tell you it's a non-issue, you know, like Bill Clinton would say, so what?
Move on.
Big deal.
Nobody cares.
Forget about the Communist Chinese that I sold us out to.
And George Bush said, let's move on.
Forget about it.
It's an old chapter.
Let's not deal with it.
That'd be like if somebody robbed a bank and five years later the cops bust them and find the marked bills in their basement and the guy says, hey, it was five years ago.
Let's move on.
The cops went, okay, sure, let's move on.
Man, you really made a good point there.
I'm a little bit out of control here putting you in handcuffs.
So this is what they do.
And they do it over and over again.
Now, there's other forms of spin.
That's where they set the agenda and tell you what can be in the debate and No.
We have to make that the debate.
We have to push it to the fore.
We have to demand that it be discussed.
It's very pertinent.
All of it.
But see, even people who think they're against somebody or something, they still pick up, though, the propaganda and then parrot it.
And they get frustrated.
You know, the reason he won the governorship is because people like you focused on stuff like that.
No, it's because you didn't focus on it enough, and you bought into the propaganda at the time.
Look at yourself in the mirror.
If you're upset, you know, here's another example of spin.
They will tell new candidates for city council, or county commissioner, or state agriculture department, or governor, they'll tell you, don't be negative, be nice, be friendly, be middle of the road, don't bring up hot button issues.
But then you watch all the candidates that win, the establishment candidates, they run attack ads, they're vicious, they bring up inflammatory issues, because that's how you win.
But all the while telling you, lay down, lay down, don't be mean, that doesn't work, that doesn't work.
And you've got all these Monday morning quarterbacks and backseat drivers out there who know nothing about politics but heard something on TV about how they're supposed to be nice.
And they go, oh, Alex, don't be so aggressive about, you know, the Second Amendment or about the open borders or about, just, just be more reasonable!
And, you know, they tell people I've known who've been candidates who've lost races, and those that listen to good advice and are vicious win elections if you don't have the electronic voting machines in place, but those that listen to the establishment are just real milquetoast and don't stand out of the crowd and don't affect people and no one remembers them and they lose!
Again, spin!
You bought the propaganda of your enemies telling you what the debate is and how to behave and how to act.
And they do this over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
It's like the NRA comes and says, you know, we've got to be reasonable and compromised to win these gun cases.
And then you catch the NRA arguing in D.C.
in cases, but we're for registering all guns, and then they lose the case.
Or you catch them in Illinois and Texas trying to, you know, go against Vermont-style concealed carries.
And you buy the spin and you incrementally lose your Second Amendment.
Well, the same thing goes for distractions or bait-and-switch.
It's what the magician does.
Look at my lovely assistant while I do the sleight of hand right in front of you.
The troops have been complaining in mass about how most of their Humvees are basically tinfoil.
And they drive around getting killed on a routine basis.
Because of it.
And then the embedded reporters, who aren't embedded very long, if they ever run a critical article, Aren't allowed to ask questions of Lord Rumsfeld two days ago when he was in Kuwait.
They're in Kuwait City.
And the troops come in and a bunch of the troops ask their own questions and hadn't talked to the reporter.
But a couple of them had and the reporter said to him, what's important to you?
And they go, well I'm having armor.
And he said, well be bold, you know?
Ask the question.
And so they go up and ask the question and Rumsfeld babbles about and then we go to war with the army we've got, not with the army we want.
Folks, they could have had all this set up.
They have this war plan years ago, their own documents.
But they'd rather have all the money go to Halliburton and others.
Or for, you know, B-2 bombers, not for armor.
And so these are, you know, the troops wouldn't get up and imperil.
These were officers getting up and imperil their careers and do all this, you know, just because some reporter told them something.
You know, they're so weak-minded that the reporter told them this and put them under mind control.
This evil communist reporter, as, you know, Rush and others have implied, and then under mind control that they went up there and asked these questions.
And see, The debate, regardless of where the questions came from, would be, why aren't their vehicles armored?
Or why are they getting bad food and bad water?
But see, instead now the whole debate is, oh, this wasn't the troops, it was the reporter.
You see?
That's spin.
And so people that don't want to face up to this, they can just Have the psychological excuse to divert off into something else.
See, good propaganda, good programming plays to your own rationales, plays to your own denial, plays to your own defense mechanisms.
And so it's always there making excuses for you not to face up to what's happening.
Always, it's a disassociative disorder.
Is what it is.
People disassociate.
That is, when you give somebody a real issue, they will divert off of it.
Deny it.
They will automatically distract themselves.
Their eyes will glaze over.
This is what you see with spectators.
With a nation of spectators.
Here's another example of spin.
And I predicted this spin.
Because everything is the error.
I mean, if a cloud comes over your city and rains on you, it's the Arabs.
And again, folks, I'm not defending the butcherous, larcenous governments over the Arabs put in by our own government.
I'm not defending the anti-Christian stance of a lot of Muslims in the Muslim countries.
I'm just stating the facts of, then, our own propaganda.
That's another thing of spin.
It's either good or bad, or they're good, we're bad, we're bad, they're good.
You have to look at it across the full spectrum of data.
But I predicted, I said, when the dollar really starts tanking, and people finally figure out what it means to have a weak dollar, it will be blamed on the Arabs.
Oh, those dirty Arabs did it by dumping the dollar and investing in Euros.
Well, the Arabs are a small portion of the Chinese, and the Japanese, and the British, and the Dutch, and the French, and the Germans, all of them, they own the majority of our dollars, not the Arabs.
And they started the dumping, and our own government said, yes, good dump, we want the dollar to go down.
But I predicted, I said, you watch, when people finally get stung by this, there'll be a bunch of articles about how the Arabs are doing.
And, yes indeed, they're now all over the news.
Because they can't have you blame your own government.
And they know you won't remember Bush two years ago saying you wanted a weak dollar.
And then last month, not propping it up.
So you'll feel good, even as you lose everything you've got, because it'll be them Arabs and you'll look at Bush and love him.
See, that's spin, folks.
We'll be right back.
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And I'm tired of people calling me up going, you work for the New York Times and NPR.
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No, the only way I know that is because I think I was watching one of your first movies.
I forget the name of it.
The one where you went across the country to California, Arizona, up to Montana.
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There's a scene in there where you said Alexander A. McJones.
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You know this is a scripted news conference, you should have given this to me beforehand.
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She's Elaine Donnelly.
We've interviewed before.
She's the president of a great organization that deals with military preparedness, the Center for Military Readiness and And remember Bill Clinton?
He wanted to put women in the military in front-line combat?
Well, that hasn't stopped with George Bush and conservatives.
Kind of a no-no to talk about it when Bush is for the assault weapons ban or for open borders or the size of government growth rate doubles.
Or when he funds U.N.
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Well, we're not about Republican or Democrat here.
We're about liberty.
We look at people.
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And we're basically here to tell you the entire government is overrun with big government pimps.
And joining us is Elaine Donnelly to talk about the new big move, and it's all over the news, from the Associated Press to Newsmax, to put women in frontline combat!
So they, I guess, can have their heads chopped off and be raped and tortured.
It's a horrible idea, and Elaine, good to have you on with us.
I'm saying we don't want women in front line combat.
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That's right.
They're talking about putting women into front line combat as defined historically as units that directly engage the enemy or co-locate with those that do.
Now, you are probably aware that the Army is undergoing a process of transformation.
They're going to smaller units.
They're called combat brigades or units of action.
They keep changing the name.
But basically, it's an infantry and armor unit that is combined, and it has its own support company that's with it all the time.
The plan is to put women into those forward support companies, regardless of the consequences.
We're talking about primarily enlisted women, women who are not prepared, For the demands of combat, these units have previously been all male.
This is brand new that they're talking about.
And it's starting with the 3rd Infantry that's about to be deployed from Fort Stewart, Georgia.
It's been going on for months, surreptitiously.
We have countered each one of these plans as they have come up.
One of them involved a slide presentation made at the Pentagon that said that, well, we have this plan, but it might be looked at as subterfuge.
In other words, a stealth strategy.
Denying that anything has changed when it really has changed.
Well, let me stop and explain why I was being sarcastic.
Everyone pulled their hair out, freaked out.
It was the top issue for many months off and on, for four years, eight years really, of Bill Clinton in office when he was trying all this, and now this is actually happening, and the conservative neocon mouthpieces won't talk about it.
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Well, you know, people need to get in touch with the President.
They should go to our website first and get all the details.
It's at www.cmrlink.org.
Again, www.cmrlink.org.
And ask the President, why are you allowing the Army to do this?
And Mr. Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, Mr. Rumsfeld, why are you allowing the Army to do this?
It is a violation of current Defense Department policy.
Men behave differently when a woman gets their guts blown out next to them.
And if a man does, women have higher infection rates in the field when men are even having high rates of it.
It destroys unit cohesion in a frontline combat situation.
High levels of the women end up getting pregnant.
It causes feuds and infighting.
I mean, men have always marched off on hunting trips Or on forays of raiding and warfare.
This is our basic coding and this goes against it.
Why does the government want to do this?
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Well, as I said, there is no good reason for doing this other than the fact that some bureaucrats apparently didn't appoint or rather recruit enough male soldiers, they're saying.
So we're going to send off a lot of young women and young mothers to fight our war instead.
But the case against women in combat that was put together by the Presidential Commission on which I served has many different reasons, and I can boil down the physical issues with only one sentence.
And I was in a scene in a movie that's coming out, where this SWAT team takes me out, and these were former professional football players, and a couple of the scenes, in like ten takes, they had trouble picking me up and carrying me and throwing me in a SWAT vehicle.
Now these are big men, and we've got a lot of big soldiers who weigh more than I do, and I'm sorry!
98% of women aren't going to be able to pick up a man!
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Yes, well I saw a live fire exercise at Fort Bragg when I was on the Presidential Commission.
And I saw a male soldier hoist another one over his shoulder, fully loaded, weapons, ammunition, the whole thing, took him off the battlefield.
Just one soldier carrying another soldier.
And I said, just out of curiosity, wouldn't you have a stretcher, two soldiers?
And I asked the question just to find out what they would say.
And they said, oh no, when you're under fire, you get out of there as fast as you can and you take your buddy with you.
Well, a woman is at a disadvantage and the man that she would try to carry is probably not going to make it because she won't be able to accomplish that task.
She doesn't have the physical capability to do it.
There's also a whole series of social issues as you mentioned.
People are attracted to each other.
Personal relationships do interfere with unit cohesion.
Bottom line is women don't have an equal opportunity to survive or to help fellow soldiers survive in a combat environment.
But all of this is being thrown overboard because of some bureaucrats who didn't plan for enough male soldiers And some generals who have daughters in the army.
I'll tell you, it is really very frightening to see this issue treated as somehow less important because it involves women.
And yet it's the people who say they're big advocates of women's rights who are treating it as a very, you know, kind of a cavalier, less important thing.
I'll tell you, if you look at the materials on my website, again, www.cmlink.org, you will see a serious national defense issue involving readiness, morale, discipline.
Basically, you're going to have women in areas like Fallujah, in these bases, and the men are going to be so busy going after them, and so busy in the woodshed, that when they come under attack, it's going to cause higher levels of casualties.
unidentified
Well, any way you look at it, this is not going to help those combat units.
It certainly is not fair to women in the military.
Did you know that in a series of surveys done by the Army over a period of ten years, every year, they ask the question of enlisted women and men, do you want to be treated exactly like the men in going into combat?
Ninety percent of the enlisted women are opposed.
And it's been similar figures for ten years, a whole decade.
They want to be able to draft women and, you know, pull all this in the future, but I mean, it just doesn't work.
I mean, do they want to destroy the military?
unidentified
Again, I think there are some people who have bought into this notion that men and women are interchangeable in all positions.
That is a philosophy that's dominated in the Clinton years.
So I can have babies?
And many of the generals who are in positions of authority now pretty much had to implement that philosophy.
That's why the Army went to co-ed basic training, knowing that it's less efficient, that it's less desirable for both men and women soldiers, and they held on to it even though they should have gotten rid of it a long time ago and had separate gender training like the Marines do.
But we all heard that this was the evil liberals, and I want to point out that it's Bush and Rumsfeld, and I want people to get that through their heads.
unidentified
Well, Mr. Rumsfeld really hasn't spoken on this issue yet, and that's the problem.
I have requested meetings with certain people to find out.
As I say, we've managed to resist this for many months, but now they're still going ahead with it anyway.
There have been briefings made to Congress, which are quoted and analyzed on my website.
Uh, that show that the Army knows they are violating a law that requires prior notification to Congress.
They are going ahead with this anyway.
Uh, the object seems to be to declare the experiment a big success, and then say to Congress, well, we have to do this, and, and, and now we want all the rules to be eliminated.
So what are they going to do when we get... It's a groupthink mindset, and it's quite alarming.
Okay, so out of 1,000 plus dead troops, 30 of them are women.
What are they going to do as those numbers get higher and higher?
unidentified
Well, I'll tell you, it's a tragedy when any of our soldiers die, but when you cause more soldiers to die because of poor planning, because of personnel policies that make no sense, that is indefensible.
And yet these Pentagon bureaucrats, as I say, they seem to have bought into this gender-free military notion that was so big in the Clinton years.
Somebody needs to give them a strong reality check.
But somebody, the president, the secretary of defense needs to intervene and say, what are you doing?
You're not going to do this.
And, oh, by the way, if the combat restrictions, all of them, are eliminated, first co-location, then all the restrictions, because you can't retain one over the other, then you're going to have to do the same thing with special forces, certainly with the Marine Corps.
And once that happens, then the ACLU goes back to court and they say, well, why are women exempt from registration for the draft?
That exemption has always been tied to the fact that women are not used in land combat.
Another example, whether it's open borders or gun control, regulation and all of it, George Bush, Al Clinton, and Clinton, And, you know, this cop-out of, well, Rumsfeld won't say, or Bush won't say.
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You know, oh, it's not the great leader doing it.
Yes, it is.
So see, you never really cared, neocon followers, about not having women in front line combat.
You just like to hate Bill Clinton.
And then when Bush protected Bill Clinton with Pardongate, blocking that, you love that too.
They're putting the pressure on him to bring Bill Clinton in later.
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Well, I'm sitting here thinking, because I analyze everything, read between the lines if I can, and I believe they're trying to poison the United Nations, and they're going to say, we're going to revamp this.
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No, I won't back down.
You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down.
A lot of people say, why do they want global governments?
Because the corporations are bigger than our governments now, and they want to be the governments.
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Bob, finishing up your points.
unidentified
Yeah, they say this is a Christian nation, but when you look and see what's happening around us, you wonder.
You have a million man march on Washington, they get what they want.
You have the gays marching, they get what they want.
When they try to push the Koran and dress like Muslims in the schools, where's the parents?
Well, where's the ACLU in California when they have, you know, two week long deals where they make them dress like Muslims and pray out of the Koran or learn how to worship Harry Potter?
I mean, yeah, exactly.
No, I mean, this is to break down what existed before.
Sometimes we have to rearrange our brain, I think.
It's true what you're saying.
Like all the laws have been passed, and yours too, that was under Byrd.
And there was somebody else on the Republican side stood up against the bill.
They were quite elegant.
Not only that, after the vote, They had questions on C-SPAN, and like 8 out of 15 were talking about the open borders, shut the borders down, put troops on the borders, so it's a lot of positive stuff going on.
Yeah, we don't have to go along with them saying we gotta have a national ID card, or, oh, you know, you've gotta go along with a draft, or, oh, you've gotta... No!
We don't!
It's criminal!
It's unconstitutional!
It's un-American!
If the government said we all had to jump off a cliff, we don't have to!
Anything else, sir?
unidentified
Just a final, I think we have to go back to, not that we don't, but put things in order.
God says, glorify God first, and praise Him.
Say the Lord is made, and then things fall into order.
A lot of people go to church on Sunday or on Saturday and then the rest of the week they think everything's a-okay.
But their preacher doesn't want to bring up any issues that upset anybody.
You want to do whatever is, you know, kind of milquetoast, middle of the road.
And that's a big problem is that, I mean, and that some of the other churches, why they're out saying Patriot Act's good and you're a devil if you're against it.
So that's where you got a lot of the deception going.
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Welcome back, my friends, to the second hour. - to the second hour. - Coming up in 30 minutes, we'll be talking to Vicki Karp, expert on election fraud and leading activist here in Texas.
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Right now, we're joined by Dr. Kenneth Chenet, a Gulf War I vet.
And I have the Quad City Times here.
We interviewed him a few weeks ago.
And he's since been to court.
And Homeland Security admits that he didn't threaten anybody, but complaining too much was a problem.
So they came out and arrested him.
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of Veterans Affairs officials in Des Moines, Tennessee, Tenant 45, remained in the Polk County, Iowa, jail late Friday afternoon, charged with third-degree harassment.
Although it is a state charge and a misdemeanor, Federal Protective Services, or FPS, personnel were involved because the VA's office is a federal facility, said Special Agent Will Calvey.
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Calvi said two inspectors from Des Moines had been investigating Tennant after receiving complaints from the VA office.
It goes on, he had been harassing them over the past three years, said Calvi.
We were looking at the messages and while there were no direct threats, The language was abusive.
The specific nature of the calls for a dispute between Tenet and the VA were not divulged by FPS officials.
Mr. Tenet had gone on local radio and complained.
He'd called them.
They came out and arrested him.
This is one more example of marijuana dealers, people selling Rubik's Cubes at toy stores.
They're all getting hit by Homeland Security.
People speeding are being charged with federal crimes.
I'm being arrested by the feds.
We're about to break, but let's go ahead and bring up Dr. Kenneth C. Tennant.
Dr. Tennant, you've now been to court.
Tell us what's since happened.
unidentified
Yes, I went up to court on Tuesday and presented myself and I had a couple of people there with me who tried to record the proceedings between me and the The attorney objected to the recording unless we had an order signed by a judge for expanded media coverage.
I told him this was my secretary.
It was not expanded media coverage.
Well, he threatened to bring the deputies in if we didn't.
It wasn't a... So the prosecutor was trying to get you to plea bargain?
Yes.
Okay, well understand, I mean, in those proceedings the judge does have to agree, so I don't want to get off into that all day long, but... You know, interestingly enough, I had called Monday morning, the day before, and asked what judge this would be before, and I was told by the clerk, and no one said in terms, this is not before a judge, that this is just between the attorneys.
Yeah, I understand, but let's specifically talk about what happened to you, because I'm not surprised that the prosecutor didn't want you to record it.
unidentified
Right.
Well, under the Sunshine Law, we had a right to record it, but because, uh, actually, the prosecutor didn't even... Well, I'll tell you what, we've got a break.
So, I want to hear about what they're trying to do to you when we get back.
Please stay with us.
We'll be right back with Dr. Jenner.
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Well, that's basically harassment.
So they've arrested him a few weeks ago.
And then they ordered him into court.
And then it was a prosecutor trying to make him plea bargain.
And then the prosecutor said, I'm taking you before a judge, even though there wasn't a court date that day, because you aren't complying with me.
That's completely illegal right there, but they just do it out of hand.
It's mainstream now.
But to go over blow-by-blow what happened to you, sir, with Homeland Security.
Again, Homeland Security.
This is the type of stuff they're dealing with.
Doctor, please tell us about it.
unidentified
Well, they showed up at my doorstep with two local police officers banging on my door.
To me, it's early in the morning in front of my six-year-old son and my eight-year-old daughter and my wife.
Uh, you know, they just manhandled and arrested me.
They took me away.
They said they had a warrant.
I'd never seen anything.
But, uh, when I was up in Des Moines there on Tuesday, I finally got a copy of it, and it was signed by a Judge Jacobs, uh, who, uh, was basically working with a Commander Berry up there in Des Moines, who was, uh, Stephen Formello, the arresting agent.
It's his commander, his supervisor.
Interestingly enough, I'm looking at the warrant and it clearly states on here to any peace officer of the state that you are commanded forthwith to arrest said defendant and take him before the nearest most assessable magistrate without unnecessary delay.
They took me clear across the state.
And then he's, and then the Stephen Famillo actually signed a return of service where he's certifying that he did bring me before the nearest most assessable magistrate.
Nearest to their office or nearest to where you live?
See, that's the difference.
unidentified
Yeah, well, it's not clearly defined, but you would, you would, uh, you know, common sense would tell you that, uh, it says here, Well, again, that's just the corrupt court system.
The bigger issue here, Dr. Tennant, is that you're being attacked and focused on for complaining too much, and they admit that.
And I would advise you that when you get into this trial that you demand a jury, and that you bring up as a big piece of evidence, you put on the stand The Homeland Security Officer that arrested you and you say, did you tell them I didn't harass anyone?
I mean, did you tell them that I didn't threaten anyone?
You know, you've got this guy with the newspaper and then you also subpoena and bring in as a witness the reporter, Tori Burchett of the Quad City Times and say, did this Homeland Security Officer tell you that I did not threaten Anyone?
unidentified
Well, the way he's got it written up here, I'm looking at the preliminary complaint and it says that repeatedly communicated with employees of the Veterans Affairs Department without legitimate purpose in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm.
I want you to go back and read that where they talked about, you don't have a legitimate reason to be calling them, that you're annoying.
So folks, Homeland Security doesn't have any terrorists to catch.
They've got to go after Dr. Tennant.
unidentified
Go ahead.
Well, this is what it says, and this is in the handwriting of Stephen Pimello, the arresting agent.
It says, Repeatedly communicated with employees of the U.S.
Veterans Affairs Department without legitimate purpose.
And in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm.
And it's got listed as witnesses or victims is Donald Eddings, who's the director, Mitzi Marsh, who is the service center manager, and then there's Thomas Lynch and Alan Dettmeyer, who are both coaches who have been full-time employees for the longest time.
Donald Eddings and Mitchie Marsh, they're the people who have just taken these offices recently.
They've had numerous directors and numerous... Well, let me ask you a question.
So you've never talked to two of them, but they're signing false affidavits then.
They're complaining that you have threatened them when you've never even talked to them.
They're not even saying you threatened them.
You called them too much.
unidentified
The way it's written up, it says repeatedly communicated and that would include sending an email.
Any emails that I got from like the National Vaccine Information Center where they're publishing, you know, they're pointing to credible Experts telling you that, hey, these are vaccine-related illnesses, I would forward that.
They've got false affidavits, they've got everything you need, and they've got the head Homeland Security officer that arrested you saying you threatened no one.
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Then he took you before the judge.
Tell us about that.
unidentified
Well, I haven't entered a plea yet.
I've told the judge and I've told him before.
I don't understand the charges.
It's not clear at all what the charge is.
They haven't shown me anything.
And so the judge is trying to trip me up and get me under her jurisdiction.
You know, the jurisdiction of the court, asking me if I'm the defendant.
And then she said she thought you might be incompetent.
unidentified
Yeah, at one point in time she asked the, I think this was just a ploy to trip me up to act To get me to say I understand something when, you know, their meaning of understanding is probably more in line with, do I agree with what they're saying, and I don't.
So I didn't want to say that I understood what they were talking about because I didn't want them to misconstrue.
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I'm just so angry, and we only have 30 minutes to cover this, just a few minutes left of that 30 minutes, to chronicle how corrupt these courts are.
And this is all admitted.
He didn't threaten anybody.
He sued them over benefits.
And he called too much.
And he emailed them too much.
And it says it.
And then people who he didn't even talk to, who he didn't even correspond with, the director of the big facility, is signing on to the complaint.
And they want to put this guy in jail, this veteran, with no criminal record, for no reason.
They have no conscience.
And then you get before the judge, look, when you go to this trial, you can keep trying to not enter a plea or whatever, and she's just going to do it for you, and then she's going to judge you right there.
You might have a strategy of demanding a jury trial.
And then putting on a case before the jury, going, OK, here's the newspaper where they say I didn't threaten anybody.
Here's a correspondence from the people who, to me, saying that I am in a case with them.
And do you want me to go to jail for being given a poisonous vaccine?
Here's mainstream news articles saying the vaccine.
Basically, I don't think there's any jury out there that will convict you, Dr. Deagle, but who knows what's going to happen with this judge.
But I hope you put in a judicial complaint on this judge.
Anything else, doctor?
unidentified
Well, I just want to comment on the, you know, the degree of dishonesty within these federal agencies is just insane.
Well, so, coming up in February, I hope people will be there for the trial.
Are you just going to go in and keep denying that she has jurisdiction over you?
She clearly doesn't.
They are trying to trick you into going along with it.
They do do this.
unidentified
I guess they're going to proceed with their rough shot.
They're going to go ahead and try to put this on trial.
You know, I don't think that I could ask the courts to do anything as far as demanding a trial by jury or anything like that, because if I do, then I'm stepping off and giving them jurisdiction over me.
I mean, here's a... Kelly Rushing, one of our listeners, gave a Ron Paul speech, 45-minute neocon speech, in one of my videos, to a state trooper in Kentucky.
And he came and arrested him and bragged and said, I'm arresting you for giving me both those videos.
And the judge said, you're not allowed to give videos of congressmen or anybody else to police.
These are anti-government.
And they charged him.
They wanted to put him in jail for three years.
And he got a jury trial.
The jury found him not guilty.
And the judge and others actually threw fits.
But, I mean, they would love to put a good man like Kelly Rushing, no criminal record, well known in the community.
They'd love to ruin his life for giving somebody a video of a congressman.
This is the mindset of these people.
They could care less.
They're put there to put people in prison to make widgets for the drug dealers that own the prisons.
The drug dealing cartels own the prisons, the drug dealers own the courts, the New World Order, and then they want slaves for their slave camps.
So, I don't know what strategy you should pick up, but if she just goes ahead and starts entering a plea for you, you can wait and watch it, and then resist it and say, no, I do not accept that plea.
Because, I mean, she'll just sit there and go, okay, I give you the plea of guilty, and okay, you're guilty.
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They haven't even explained the charge.
They haven't offered me the assistance of counsel.
They haven't done anything in accordance with rules, regulations, laws... You don't want their assistance of counsel.
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who a few years ago got involved exposing the electronic voting machine systems and is going to be leading a big demonstration at the Texas Capitol in downtown Austin, right in front of it on the south side of the Capitol, coming up this Sunday at high noon, and I'm going to be one of the speakers. coming up this Sunday at high noon, and I'm going Vicki, it's good to have you up with us.
Tell us about yourself, how you got involved, a testament to individuals having a great effect.
In the few years you've been involved, all the media coverage, all the exposés.
And then tell us about this demonstration that's coming up.
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Well, I have you to thank because I was listening to your show when I heard you interviewing Bev Harris.
It was last July 2003.
About, uh, you know, she had just discovered the DeBolt software and that you could hack these electronic voting machines in a matter of... I think she had it 10 minutes, now it's down to 30 seconds.
You can hack in and change the vote tally.
And I was so amazed and shocked, I started researching myself and found out that, you know, everything she was saying was true.
I met her, I called her, I met her on the phone.
We've got to be friends.
Now I'm on her board of directors of her non-profit and I just support her work in any way I can and I've become a local spokesperson against electronic voting here in Austin as well.
I just felt that all other issues really tied back into the voting issue, Alex.
It doesn't seem to matter what side of an issue anybody stands on.
If you think you can vote an official out who doesn't agree with you and the machines are hacked, well you can't do anything.
You're powerless.
So I just decided to devote my time as an activist to this particular issue.
Now we really see the tyranny coinciding with these machines now in place in 35% of the country, enough to swing in any direction.
Clearly, folks, this is one of the, if not the, central issues in the stones that adorn the crown of issues.
And, Vicki, we're going down the tubes fast.
If we don't stop this, how do we get these machines removed?
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Well, you know, I wish I had one answer for that, Alex, but I think that in the end it's going to come down to individual citizens who get so pissed off that they try to do something, you know, the sort of actions that Deb Harris has been doing, going into county election officials' offices with public information requests
Uh, to get the records from elections and seeing, you know, exposing what's going on, and it's going to take a massive grassroots organization, not one organization of one group, but individuals throughout the country.
That's what I really think it's going to take.
I believe that she's on the right track.
I was doing similar type of monitoring here on Election Day, and of course, I wasn't able to turn up anything obvious with our heart machines here in Texas or in Travis County.
Son-in-law, Larry Mays, the owner of Clear Channel.
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Right, right.
So, yeah, the ownership ties go back to Clear Channel with Hart InterCivic.
And Hart InterCivic, even though they don't have modems on their voting machines, which makes them a slight bit better than the Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S machines, they can still be hacked from inside.
There's no way to tell if that's happening or not.
And one thing I wanted to mention, because I only found out about this about two or three months ago after working on it for a year and a half, The optical scan counting machines that count paper ballots, a large number of those are manufactured by the Diebold company.
So the same software program, the same what they call the central tabulator software that counts the votes on the Diebold touchscreen machines, which have made the news You know, they're more famous in the news for their touch screens, but it's actually the same exact hack can occur with optical scan counters that they manufacture.
And so even when you have a recount, they just feed them back to the same machines again.
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That's why the only type of recount that does any good is a hand recount, but that's only if there hasn't been time to manipulate the ballots in between the time the recount was requested and the time the recount takes place.
I'm afraid in Ohio, Although I'm really applauding the efforts of the Green Party and Libertarian Michael Benard to get that recount going, I'm afraid that their Secretary of State up there, Kenneth Blackwell, has so successfully dragged out this process before that he would allow it to begin, that by now, no telling which ballots will really be hand-counted.
Michael McCall, Janet Reno's personal lawyer, Anti-gun, anti-freedom neocon, I'm sure you love him, so-called conservatives.
This guy, the cover-up artist for Waco, for communist Chinese agents, the guy's way down in the polls, but Lowry May is the owner of Clear Channel that controls and predominantly owns Hardener Civics that makes the machines we have in the three counties that his district is in.
He is also the number one contributor to his son-in-law, and so they own the machines, they're his biggest campaign contributor, and he's married to the family, married into the family, and then magically he wins, and the Republican leadership of course also comes out for him instead of real conservatives.
So again, and there's examples of this all over the country where they own their own machines, Vicki.
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Right.
Right, that's right.
So, you know, the kind of monitoring that can make a difference, I mean, I was giving an example of what I did, which I really couldn't, I didn't turn up anything in my case.
However, what an individual citizen can do through a public records request is to request from an election official the individual precinct totals for a county.
And then they can get basically the central tabulator results, which shows the grand total, and add up the individual precinct totals and see if they actually match.
I mean, there were scores of counties this year where you'd have 50,000 vote and only 15,000 registered voters, or 30,000 vote and 18,000 registered voters.
There's just masses of that.
One of their favorite tricks is flipping.
They know who's really going to win from polls, and so they just flip and give your victory to the establishment candidate.
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There are so many.
I have files that are inches thick.
I've started a new file just since the election, Alex.
It's about two inches thick now of examples of problems that have turned up all around the country.
Bev was telling me, I know she's going to be on at one and she'll have some exciting information for you, but she was telling me last night in a conversation that there were 90,000 ballots in Ohio that didn't even show a vote for president at all.
Now, why did that happen?
Let alone 100,000 voters who were purged out of the voting database in Ohio.
And then on top of it, it wasn't 178,000 challenged provisional ballots.
It was hundreds of thousands more, and almost all of those were Democrats.
But Kerry, he didn't want those counted because he took a dive.
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I'll tell you, I was never, well I guess I shouldn't have been surprised.
I know he's still in bones.
I was just hoping he might fight a bigger fight than he did and at least do a better job of pretending he was being the opposition.
But I was really disappointed in how he handled that with his concession the next day.
Where were his teams of hundreds of, tens of thousands of attorneys who were supposed to be I mean, I never heard another thing about them.
I understand that some of his contributors are kind of upset because they donated money to make sure that every vote would be counted and that he would fight the good fight, but he certainly hasn't done that.
Yeah, $300 million from $100-sized donations, never before been done.
The poor grassroots thought he was... But people ask me, well, if they've got election fraud with the machines, why do they need to have Kerry staging?
Because you have to have the fall guy not challenge the fraudulent results.
Because he's a fall guy, he's a ringer, he's gonna lay down, but still, the people are gonna go vote.
You understand?
So they have to have it set as a fraud at every level.
You're probably aware, you probably hear the details, but Bev turned up some interesting evidence in a Democratic county in Florida.
In Volusia County, and some people who have been tracking this story already know about it, but having done a Freedom of Information Act request and not having received all the precinct totals, she and Kathleen Wynn and Andy Stevenson went to that county election office to ask for the missing precinct totals, and they were told to wait while they generated some fake copies, apparently, because while they were standing there, somebody took a trash bag out the back door
And, uh, one of her, her, uh, helpers, uh, Andy or Kathleen, went back and retrieved that trash bag, found real precinct totals there that had been signed by the election officials that were working at that, at those polling places.
Each precinct take that they had received had five or six signatures of election officials on it.
There are hundreds of such cases in the last few elections that are in major papers but never on the big nightly news so it's always regional news.
They're so sloppy they don't even shred it.
They just go throw it in trash cans.
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Well, you know what?
It's because no one's ever been checking on them before and that's why we need... Bev Harris can't do this by herself.
But the mainstream media... We need everybody out there who gives a damn about the vote to find out, you know, the process and get out there and start doing this themselves.
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I really think that's the only thing that's going to make a difference.
By the time it gets in the news, or say the statesman here in Austin, it's, oh, there's some problems.
People are upset about problems.
No, we're upset about admitted fraud, folks, all over the country.
And a good place to network and get involved is this Sunday, high noon, south side of the Capitol, where we're going to be having a rally.
And you should have these rallies all over the country.
And if somebody isn't putting it on, you give your own group a name, you and ten of your friends call the media, send out press releases, get on Talk Radio locally, call up the station, get on, say, meet us this Sunday, you know, in a few weeks from now, and go down and have your own rally at your courthouse or your Capitol.
I mean, stop playing games, folks.
If you want freedom, you've got to raise the consciousness level about this, Vicki.
I mean, with people like Vicki, who took action, you've got to be a trailblazer like she is.
Vicki, tell us about this rally that's coming up Sunday.
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Well, it's actually called the 51 Capital March, a nationwide protest against the stolen election is what the theme of it is.
And it was an individual named Kip Marshall from Houston, Texas, who had been tracking this issue, and he just decided that he needed to take it upon himself before the Electoral College met on Monday, December 13th, to organize a national march, you know, hopefully in every one of the capitals and Washington, D.C., which is, you know, the name 51 capitals.
He started it and then created a website for it and my friend Karen Rennick and Abby Delosier, both of them who have been real active here locally.
Abby's been putting on press conferences on this issue for a while.
I've been helping her.
We just got on the website and found this guy's name and a couple other people from Houston.
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You know, I'm really upset, but at the same time, I know that we're going to be able to fight this at the local level.
We'll try to repeal this in the next session of Congress.
And they wouldn't talk about it in the mainstream media until after they'd passed it, and then they were all over TV crowing about it last night.
Oh, Patriot Act 2, provisions the Justice Department wanted passed.
And they're celebrating, Fox News said, over at the Justice Department.
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It was 300 to something to 75.
Most of the people who voted against it were Republicans.
These Democrats are emailing me going, look at the evil Republicans.
Well, look at your own Democrats.
This is the problem, is that you've got this elitist, tyrannical agenda in Washington that's bipartisan, and then it's true, what I'd call independents like Ron Paul, who happens to be a Republican, who are fighting this.
You know, they talked a little bit about the chain of command and who controlled some of the intelligence to the military, and that was a big issue.
And they did talk somewhat about the licenses going to illegal aliens, and that was not changed.
That's stuck in the bill, so they will give licenses to illegal aliens.
But they didn't talk a whole lot About the national ID card, although it was moved along, it was further strengthened.
They've had some standardized requirements by the federal government now in all our driver's licenses.
But there's a reason for this, and that is that the conservative side is mixed on this.
Some of the anti-immigrant conservatives would do anything, even accept a national ID card for all of us, therefore punish all of us in order to take care of illegal aliens.
And they're not exactly as opposed to the national ID card.
I think we should be.
I think we can still deal with illegal immigration without further undermining our personal liberties.
It's sort of the Like it is at the airport.
Taking away my freedom at the airport doesn't do anything to catch terrorists that might get on an airplane.
Well, in this subsection of the bill, 3,300-plus pages long, You have the internal passport, the internal checkpoints, basically taking what the TSA does in the airports and I guess expanding that out.
And a lot of conservatives are going, well, wait a minute, but you're going to give IDs to the illegal aliens.
They can get a consular matricula.
Anybody can get one of these and then go get an ID and basically have fake identities.
So the border is more wide open than ever and this makes it More of an open door for, quote, terrorists to come across.
But they're going to have a magnifying glass over our lives.
The one that had the 3,000 was the omnibus bill, which came up at the last minute.
This bill was smaller, but still very, very large, and we did not have it.
I mean, within hours, you know, you don't have it.
They never print out a copy, and so you never see the final version unless you get on the internet at the very end and you do your very best to go through it.
So Fox was accurate when they were very pleased about it.
They said that the Justice Department was, quote, celebrating and very exciting that the Patriot Act II had passed the Senate yesterday and was going to the President two days ago in the House.
Well, you know, that is, you can always make the effort and introduce it and let people have a little bit of hope, but, you know, when these things get passed, you know, it's a monumental task to reverse it.
You know, it's, It's almost impossible.
That doesn't mean you shouldn't try, and on occasion you do have a victory, but the odds of us reversing this trend... I mean, we have so many things going against us, whether it was the original Patriot Act or whether it's this one or not.
And then the President, you know, got his mandate.
I couldn't believe what kind of rallies we've had against the Patriot Act, and yet I was dumbfounded when I saw the President, you know, campaigning on it and going after Kerry for being weak on the Patriot Act.
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He thinks he has a mandate for this type of activity.
I'm not quite sure that's the case.
At least he believes it, and that's the way he's acting.
Well, I can't, and I think it goes to show that this discrepancy probably reflects the ability of the propagandists to You know, take a negative poll and what the people really want and turn around and say, hey, look, the American people want this and actually go on to victory.
But, you know, I think the trick in the election was that people did have a reason to vote for Bush over Kerry, and it had to do with moral values and probably marriage.
But Bush then was able to take this and say, well, this is a mandate for us to Do more Patriot Act type legislation and more war overseas.
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Sections of Patriot Act II passed in the intelligence bill, the 9-11 bill, but the entire thing didn't.
So they're passing it, passing it piecemeal is what they're doing.
The National ID Card provision did indeed pass.
And we're talking to Congressman Ron Paul right now.
I just have to commend you, Congressman, and your staff.
I mean, when other people's congressmen won't even return calls, your folks were calling the alternative media telling them to fight the bill a couple days ago, and your staff is still there fighting, and was still there yesterday fighting this stuff in the Senate, when others were already leaving and going back to their districts.
So I can only commend you, Congressman.
Finishing up, though, concerning you running for governor of the state of Texas, is that something you could win?
I believe that the views that we hold, and your listeners hold, are popular enough that we could win if we had enough exposure, which means you have to, if you don't have sympathetic media, you have to have enough money to buy the advertisements and get the message out.
But I really do believe that people are, in great numbers, are in the majority, want to be left alone.
They like the free market and they like to be left alone and they'd like to see us to be doing a lot less overseas.
So I think these particular views and putting them at a state level that just keep the government small and keep the taxes low, yes, I think that those views are winnable and a person could win on a platform like that.
I just want to spend a little bit more time on the Patriot Act and on the national ID card provisions in this bill.
If it makes it easier for illegal aliens and terrorists, which the bill clearly does, other Congressmen have been saying this, then how can they say we did this to keep you safe, we had to rush and do this to keep you safe?
Yeah, it is, and at one point they believe in at least more open borders, and they believe that they shouldn't offend Anybody who's Hispanic, and because that's a political correct thing to do, and they're treading between these two issues, and then they have this pretense that they're going to do everything to make us safe and secure, and giving us more power to the CIA, and have a super agency, and spend, you know, I think that bill had $14 billion dollars in it.
So, in one sense, they're claiming You know, that their whole effort is to make us safe and secure at the same time they ignore the very things that they should be doing, and that is finding out who's coming into our country and who are the potential terrorists.
To me it's something like if you and I were building a building and we were an architect and I was the contractor and we had a measuring stick like the yard or the foot, and it kept changing every day.
You know, what kind of a building would we have?
This is the measuring rod of economic value is the currency, and it's very unfound. - Why, bottom line, is the dollar eroding? - Because we print too many.
And we print too many to support the politicians who spend too much.
It's no more complicated than that.
Since 1971, since there was no link to the dollar, to gold, the Congress has just been spending like crazy, running up deficits like crazy, And the Fed accommodates and prints the money.
When you print money, the value of that money has to go down.
It just doesn't go down evenly or steadily, and it doesn't affect everybody equally.
But ultimately, it loses value.
History shows that under these conditions, gold always goes up.
Not straight up, but eventually goes up.
Not too long ago in our history, our dollar was worth $20 an ounce.
I don't see it, not under today's circumstances, unless the American people decide that they want their freedom more than they want their security right now.
The message that the people in Congress get is people want to be safe and secure, both economically and physically, and that's what promotes the welfare state, and that's what promotes this anti-terrorist sentiment.
I think it's going to end when we run out of money.
Congressman, thank you so much for coming on with us.
Have a good Christmas.
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Well, since 1993 we've had it in Texas, 48 states have it.
The digital photo is for a face scan template, the digital thumbprint, and now this is by-law, you'll have to have it to have a job, and in the bill, and Ron Paul's press release on this, Checkpoints with TSA type employees fondling you and your wife, not just in the airport, but on the roads.
You know, one thing that came across in your interview with the Congressman was what I extrapolated from it, is in a diplomatic way as he could, He indicated that what runs American politics, and that's a filthy word in my opinion, American politics, it's two very filthy words, is money.
That's really what it comes down to.
Not what's right or wrong, not even what a majority, even a large majority would want, but the engine that runs it is money.
And that being the case, American politics will never have legitimacy Because you will always have a small handful of interests with a lot of money who will be running and creating social policy and getting people elected who may not be, and in many cases are not, in favor of what the majority want.
This is what I extrapolated from what he said.
I think what's going to have to happen is we've got to take this fight to a different level.
These people governed by Machiavellian machination.
We're going to have to machinate a little bit back ourselves.
But what I'm trying to get to here on this, Ron, is that this is organized crime.
They operate via organized crime, but with an overlay of space-age PR firms or propagandists.
Correct.
And I believe the solution is having people like Judge Roy Moore run in Alabama, and if they don't have the machines in, he can win, to force Ron Paul to run for Governor of Texas before all these machines are in place, and to have a ring of states uh... free states uh... across the nation and to do that though we've got to stop the electronic machine from going in The electronic machines, the easily manipulated voting machines or processes, that's true.
Plus, it does seem, it does seem, and I do notice this with the American people, Alex, and part of the blame for this goes on the American people, no matter what anyone says, I do blame them.
No, that some guy, two stories in the New York Daily News, that some guy gave his girlfriend a $13,000 engagement ring, and that Trump gave his girlfriend some kind of astronomically priced engagement ring.
Well, your democracy was being ripped apart by wolves.
It was supposed to be put on the cover of our papers.
And you know where the story about the intelligence bill was?
Some may mean well, though my sympathy goes out to them for the loss of their loved ones, it doesn't mean that, A, they're experts, okay, on national security or geo-national politics.
B, it doesn't mean that even some of them are not taken up with the celebrity involved, you know, and being trot out and used for that purpose, and who knows, you know, their egos may- Look, it's usually four or five different women,
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But they didn't say anything else about it.
Why don't we see them on TV?
Because the media is controlled, okay, by the same mainstream... Well, if you don't think it's controlled, folks, the media didn't tell you what was in this bill, and then minutes after it passed, they were on TV laughing about it.
Are none of these processes uh... impeachable offenses and and why hasn't that been uh... well you know they couldn't impeach bill clinton on missile secrets to the chai cause because the republicans were all involved in it they had to go after him over you know oval office sexual escapades and nobody's going to go after Bush I mean the democrats all voted for this they love it yeah Clinton you gotta like a man who thinks harass is two words
I didn't understand that, but Tim, I appreciate the call.
Let's talk to Rosemary in Indiana.
Go ahead, Rosemary.
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Yes, Alex, thank you for accepting my call.
You know, people are afraid.
First off, they don't really understand the depth of what is happening unless they listen to your program a few times.
But one of the things I came up with, because I'm like a little town USA, and I have copied out all the Genesis Communication Network schedule and their phone numbers and addresses, a lot of the websites that you've had on your radio program, and I'm putting them in my Christmas cards, and I'm sending them out to every person I know, including the newspapers, whether I subscribe to them or not.
Because I think it's time that people woke up, and if nothing else, just get that little bit of information out there.
The tighter they squeeze, the more they push, the more resistance mounts.
I've never seen an awakening like it!
Everybody's waking up!
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Well, it's about time.
But I thought I'd add my two cents and say, when you send out them greeting cards, anniversary cards, birthday cards, regardless, send those little Good morning, Alex.
like you said, get your disk and send it along with them.
So you keep up the good work, and thank you so much for taking my call. - Rosemary, thank you for calling.
Well, certainly, the executive claimed the power in 33, confiscated the gold at Machine Gun Point, gave us paperback.
Clearly, they began declaring yearly emergencies, I've seen them do it on C-SPAN, to then have control over Congress.
But Congress, the will to stand up is the will to have freedom.
And they can still stand up and still say no, the problem is most of them are so dirty, or are being blackmailed, or they die in auto accidents or plane crashes when they say no.
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Congress and numerous legal scholars say that there ain't no way that Congress can reassert their authority after March the 9th, 1933.
Well, that was what they said at the Davos Economic Forum three years ago when the dollar, when the euro was 89 cents to a dollar that was worth 100 pennies.
And then now it's dropped by 45%.
But no, you're right.
It is a controlled implosion.
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Yes.
A sudden collapse might bring about unpredictable events.
They don't want that to happen.
They're in control and they're not going to take a chance on that.
Well, you know, we had a depression in this country which was admittedly engineered, that's part of the public record, to consolidate wealth by the elite, and Back then we were moral and 90% of people had skills in gardening.
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Talking about passage of large sections of Patriot Act 2, a national ID card provision yesterday by the Senate, and the media that wouldn't talk about those provisions suddenly running out celebrating openly, I mean literally, smiling, laughing.
on TV.
These scum that work for Fox and others just get off on laughing at us.
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Oh, you cattle are in our cages.
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Tom in Arizona.
Tom, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
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Yeah, Alex, I was shocked when I hit your site yesterday and read that.
I mean, it's like a revelation coming true in small incremental steps.
Marcus Wolff was the architect of 1 in 10 being a spy, and they are setting up the T.E.B.S.
program and the rest of it.
What's wrong with that?
But the border, like this new bill they passed yesterday, though, the Bush is going to sign, it makes it easier for the illegal aliens.
You heard Congressman Paul.
It's in there.
It makes it easier, more open borders, but that's okay.
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You know, I have a friend who lives in Germany, and I send her links and emails and stuff on stories, and she says that what is happening in America now is pretty much what happened before and during while Hitler took over.
And she can't believe that America is doing that.
And she even said, well, maybe you should just move here.
And I said, well, the problem with that is it's everywhere.
My friends, people ask, why would they want tyranny?
Why would a government want to do something bad?
Well, why in history is that the norm?
Freedom being the exception.
America is America because we have the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
That's why we're America!
You get rid of that, folks!
We're not America anymore!
What can people not understand about that?
People say, well, why would they want tyranny?
It's a straight jacket.
Before a criminal has their way with you, before they rob you or rape you or whatever, They want to tie you up.
We're being tied up right now.
So they can then take the pension funds, take the private property.
It won't be free market.
It'll be select corporations acting in a criminal manner through governmental powers doing this to us.
Now, this is the reality.
But we don't have to go along with it.
This can only succeed if we get all fearful and get behind it and don't stand up for ourselves or our neighbors or in our communities.
This can only happen if we're not engaged.
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Look, this is the beginning of the end for the New World Order.