Alex Jones hosts the May 25, 2004 broadcast with guests Paul Joseph Watson and Professor Michel Chossudovsky, dissecting alleged CIA torture manuals and the fabricated nature of Al-Qaeda. They challenge the Iraq War's legitimacy, citing missing WMDs and the staged deaths of scientists like David Kelly, while accusing Richard Grasso of Mafia-like corruption. The discussion expands to a "Satanic New World Order" utilizing fake terror alerts to justify martial law, the Patriot Act's abuse against civilians, and secret nuclear meetings at Offutt Air Force Base. Ultimately, the episode frames global conflicts as orchestrated scenarios designed to enforce permanent military dictatorship and suppress free press. [Automatically generated summary]
All right, my friends, you're now in the middle of the opening moments, seconds of this Tuesday,
the 25th of May, 2004 edition of the Alex Jones Show.
I'm Alex Jones, your host.
We'll be live for the next three hours.
We have several guests coming on, including in the third hour, Paul Joseph Watson with his weekly report from the prison planet.
That is PrisonPlanet.com and PrisonPlanet.tv and of course we also have InfoWars.com all part of my family of websites getting out the truth on a daily basis.
We're going to have wide open phones yet again today.
I want to go to your calls early in this broadcast.
I want to go to them speedily.
I want to take at least 40 phone calls in the next three hours, interspersed with our guests and the news.
The toll-free number to join us is 1-800-259-9231.
This is 1-800-259-9231.
If you want to respond to Bush's bizarre speech yesterday, skillfully written, also we'll
get into the 50 anomalies in the Berg videotape.
This is all going mainstream now.
We're talking Times of London, Asia Times, top forensic experts saying it's all a fake.
Also, Iraqis that have troop veto, they're trying to claim they're going to have some authority, and again that's all smoke and mirrors.
Our appointed minions that work for us will have some power.
Hmm, okay.
Also, digital watermark proved Berg and abuse cameras were the same?
We'll get into that story.
CIA chief pays secret visit to Qatar to silence Al Jazeera.
That's right, Mr. Tenet.
Iraqi scientist killed in U.S.
detention report.
Another Russian microbiologist dies mysteriously in an Ebola accident.
What's going on with all these microbiologists dying?
Why are people getting rid of them?
Also, nuclear experiment planned in Nevada.
They may go ahead and end the ban and go ahead with that in a below-ground test.
Britain fights EU proposals for random breath tests.
They want to just pull you over and randomly take your breath test.
Well, hey, we already do that in America.
The Supreme Court just ruled yesterday that you thought you could park your car and walk off and leave it?
No, I've read the ruling.
It's specific.
They can just come into a parking lot and do whatever they want.
And again, the Supreme Court, you know, many years ago said black people weren't human beings.
We don't have to follow that.
We don't have to follow this ruling either.
It's criminal.
They can say that, you know, Bill Clinton's God, or George Bush's God, doesn't mean it's true.
Also, missing Antonio Tagumba pages.
More dirty tricks in Torturegate.
Remember the Tagumba report out for about a month now?
Turns out there's some missing pages there as well.
F.B.I.
is apologizing to man linked to Madrid.
Bombing this out of Reuters.
Interesting story.
Chuck Baldwin has written another great editorial article.
Our globalist president pushing for a standing U.N.
Army.
And that's what this whole Iraq thing is really about.
At least a large facet of it.
U.N.
troops buy sex from teenage refugees in the Congo.
I mean, everywhere they go.
The headline is deceptive.
It gets into raping when you read into the story.
Also, Hollywood's chilling disaster movie put spotlight on global warming.
Al Gore is out promoting it.
USA Today says, day after tomorrow, a lot of hot air.
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Thank you again for joining us on this Tuesday, the 25th of May, 2004.
The websites are infowars.com and prisonplanet.tv.
Again, Paul Watson joins us in the third hour for a news update blitz.
All the key issues will be covering them.
We're going to have open phones throughout the broadcast today.
We're going to cover a ton of vital news.
And information, your calls are coming up here in just a few minutes.
Vernell and Ben and Anthony and Chris and many others that are patiently holding.
I want to get into Bush's speech last night.
I want to get into the 50 anomalies in the Berg videotape.
This is even in the mainstream news now.
We're talking the Times of London, the Asia Times, you name it.
We'll talk about what type of Iraqi government they're putting into place.
We'll also look at a bunch of different Big Brother developments.
The torture gate being covered up.
This new movie, The Day After, and its propaganda purposes.
And also, Mr. Grasso.
Mr. Grasso.
The former New York Stock Exchange head who got over, now, 200 million dollars as his retirement package.
Just another former CIA kingpin who we have Reuters and AP articles of him in 99 hugging the head of the FARC communist guerrillas in Colombia.
And it is legal!
He went down there and said, and it's a special loophole, invest your money with the New York Stock Exchange from one-third plus of the cocaine that comes out of Columbia or there's going to be a military invasion of your country.
All the spray planes and marines and special forces that go around blowing up the different coca production facilities are going after the communists, are going after those that control their own piece of the land.
The other two-thirds, and this is admitted mainstream, of Colombia are not sprayed.
The coca leaves are grown right out in the open.
They load the cocaine on U.S.
military aircraft and fly it right into your cities.
Mr. Grasso has just been involved in so many very shady activities and now Elliot Spitzer of New York is going after him.
But again, it's just a lawsuit.
It should be criminal.
A $200 million payout to the head of the New York Stock Exchange's supposed non-profit group This is the USA Today headline.
Ugly Court Battle Could Do Collateral Damage.
Case Could Spawn Open Season On Corporate Executives.
The New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer's groundbreaking lawsuit against the former head of the New York Stock Exchange is likely to be the first salvo in an ugly legal battle that could further mar the reputation on Wall Street.
Spitzer's 54-page lawsuit, filed Monday, makes Richard Grasso look more like a mafia boss than the head of the world's largest stock exchange.
According to Spitzer, he was never keen on dissent, particularly when it came to his lavish pay.
Fagson, CEO of Big Board Floor Trading, Vander Moolen Specialist, and New York Stock Exchange Board Member, who helped set Grasso's compensation, learned the lesson the hard way.
After privately expressing concern about parts of Grasso's $26.8 million pay package for 2000, He soon found himself face-to-face with the big board chief renowned for his iron fist rule.
Thank God I escaped that one!
Faginson said, later told state investigators, this man was our regulator and I'm a member of the New York Stock Exchange and when he's your supervisor on your regulator you have to be careful.
We've now got a copy of Spitzer's report, and again, this is really a whitewash, as bad as it sounds.
It's a whitewash.
And it's true.
Mafia bosses.
I mean, when you look at them, just their activities, their behavior, when they testify, the arrogance, the laughing, the giggling, the way they threaten people, the way they operate.
But that's just the cover of the book.
I never judge a book by its cover.
Though, you know, we've all got a good sixth sense, at least we should, and when you're walking down the street, you know the type of person you want to just walk away from, or that exudes criminality.
You know those type of individuals.
Most of them are in government.
And then you read inside the book that is Richard Grasso, and you find out a lot more I mean, any type of scamming you can imagine, he's involved in it, and telling the board, you give me, you know, $26 million a year, and by the way, now that I'm being forced out for all my corruption, I want $200 plus million dollars!
And, he got it!
And now he faces a lawsuit.
It should be a lot more than that.
So, Dick Grasso, Pay was nearly equal to the New York Stock Exchange net income.
In a three-year period, the expense of former chairman Dick Grasso's pay was nearly equal to the New York Stock Exchange net income, my friends.
That's right, ladies and gentlemen.
And it goes into the last three years what Mr. Grasso made Grasso, in a three-year period, made a total of $130.2 million.
A report that reads more like he was a Mafia Don than the head of the New York Stock Exchange?
Well, I really couldn't say it any better myself.
And these guys, in front of news cameras, hug, fart, gorilla commanders, and say, you invest your money with us, or hmm, not gonna be good.
And then the invasion begins.
This is a joke, people.
Some people can't figure out why that they have SWAT teams raiding houses looking for a single, you know, bag of cocaine here domestically.
You know, why there's troops in three or four different Latin American countries raiding drug dealers.
Well, what do you mean the government deals the drugs?
They're down there fighting it!
Yeah, just like Al Capone would send his boys over to, you know, with some Tommy guns to machine gun the competition.
Can't you figure this out, folks?
It's real simple!
Real simple!
And then domestically, it's about building up a militarized police force, they go after the low-level drug dealers, then they put them in the private prisons where the same people that deal the drugs and run the New York Stock Exchange own the stock in the private prison companies.
They own the companies that sell the SWAT team gear, that sell them the machine guns, that sell them the surveillance pods, that sell them the big brother Echelon, Matrix, Total Information Awareness Network, spying computers.
The Carlisle Group owns the big RFID companies, and the newspapers, and the magazines.
I mean, they own it all!
These people, it's incredible!
Okay, who's up first here?
We're going to go ahead and go to calls early as promised.
Who's up first?
Vernel in Colorado.
Vernel, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
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Thank you, Alex.
First of all, I want to say that when you were on George Nureen, you are so fabulous.
You and Steve Quayle have really enlightened mainstream.
Well, I want to go back on there, so email him and tell him to have me back on.
unidentified
I will do that.
Okay, what I'm really calling about is Clay Douglas.
I just spoke with his wife this morning.
They have no medical insurance, and I was going to call in and ask you if it would be okay if I announced... Well, let me give people some background on this first.
He's the publisher of an alternative news magazine.
And we were hearing he was going to have brain surgery and all of this, and I called up and talked to him, and he's now in better condition, didn't have to have brain surgery, doesn't have a hole in his skull, doesn't have a bunch of broken bones, and a torn up head.
Is that what she told you this morning?
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He's in critical condition.
I mean, what they're worried about now is... I know, but they told me there's not a hole in his head, and he didn't have brain surgery.
No, he's in critical condition.
What I think they're really worried about is, because he has a lot of upper body injuries, I've actually said people should help him, despite the fact that Clay hasn't been one of my bigger fans, but we're big enough to help somebody who's in need.
Well, we're all big enough to help each other because we're all fighting on the same side.
That's right.
After speaking with his wife this morning, I was going to ask if I could give out an address in case people would like to donate for his medical expenses.
Also, there's a motorcycle run that's already been scheduled for June 13th in Phoenix for the people who ride motorcycles who would like to help.
And they can go on the website federalobserver.com to get information on this.
Alright, thank you for the call and I'll probably get one of the members of the family on the show.
But no, I was just, I called and talked to their office Sunday and I said,
is Clay having brain surgery?
Does he have a hole in his skull?
Was there foul play?
And they said, no.
We don't think there was foul play.
He doesn't have a hole in his skull.
He has a bad concussion and some broken bones.
He's an older man, so that's pretty serious.
But I was just being positive that, at least right now, he's not on death's doorstep, according to what they told me in his office.
But hey, you know, we'll be right back.
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I've just been listening for about eight months now.
I woke up about eight months now.
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But here's my question.
I remember I saw in that U.S.
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Well, the good news is, I agree with you, the good news is in a bunch of different places police have actually caught special forces and white guys, they're not Arabs and special forces in the US, planting bombs at power plants, at power stations, trying to plant bombs at different facilities, and police continue to stop them, and then it's just in a local newspaper, and then swept under the rug.
So by the grace of God, local police have foiled these events, and then it's just swept under the rug.
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Well, we need the police to step up.
They're really our last line of protection, and they need to wake up quick.
Oh yes, you're talking about the peak oil scenario.
I didn't hear what you first said.
I should do some broadcast on that.
I've actually read some news articles, BBC, you name it, on the broadcast about all the giant oil supplies that they've been finding all over the globe.
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Yeah, and the reason I was calling about that is because at my school, people in the geology classes are getting told about Hubbard's Curve, and they're really starting to freak out.
And in fact, a lot of people are talking about this now, and I have a feeling that It's going to come out in mainstream news, and it's own spin, and get everybody freaked out about it.
And now they admit these spray planes have made the Earth 20% darker.
That's NASA's own numbers.
So they are manipulating the weather, but it's the government doing it.
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Yeah, and one last thing.
I know how you feel about Stratfor, but if you look at Stratfor right now, they've given two pieces on how the next attack is coming in Houston, Texas.
It's going to happen at a refinery, and it's going to be through a stolen truck of some sort, and it's going to be some type of bomb.
Yeah, the feds have been putting that out for about two years, and that local intelligence group here in Austin, I've tried to get them on the show, I've read their intelligence, I mean, it's just government mouthpiece behavior.
Yeah, this business of there's going to be an attack in Houston.
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Behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
But since 9-11, all of the big cities in the United States have been under red alert.
And they call the police detectives in and go, men, this is top secret.
You can't talk about it.
You're going to get a federal supplemental paycheck.
There's really been a bunch of other terror attacks in America.
When these refineries blow up or bridges collapse, you know, this is really terrorist.
But we don't want to panic people.
And so we're not going to tell them about it, but this is why we're going to be violating the Bill of Rights and Constitution, this is why you're going to be working with military men, and the CIA is setting up an office in your building, and they'll be advising you and conferring, and we're going to issue these ID badges that you keep on your person at all times that are biometrically scannable with an RFID chip.
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Y2K was a big drill for this.
They all had these badges and were out doing all of this.
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In my film, The Takeover, I have video of it.
Right here in Austin, the old airport's got an old 747 hangar with bolts and chains and porta-potties and barbed wire right next to the National Guard Armory and they had met on the news.
Hey, it's to put you in!
So this is the stuff that's going on.
And then you see these reports in the Houston Chronicle.
Hey, there might be a plot to attack the refineries.
You know, there's this worker down at a refinery, and he claims that an Arab pulls up and shoots at him, and then all of a sudden they arrest the security guard and say he's a liar, and then all of a sudden, oh, the feds do come out and say, there is a plan to attack Houston, and it's going to happen, and then myself and others get these phone calls, and of course it goes through our Secretaries and people, I don't even call them back, but, oh, I'm in the military and I'm down here and it's a secret thing and I want to talk to you.
They're trying to create a ledger, a spectrum, a record, a background, kind of like they had McVeigh travel the country and go to every gun show, every conservative group, and try to make that connection.
So they can then later demonize groups.
And the big scenario that you're going to see In the next wave of attacks, unfortunately, because I've seen them preparing it, via the fiction on television, you know, the fiction programs, and then in the news programs, the same propaganda.
We can tell a lot about what they're going to do from that, and in the newspaper, that, oh, the evil right-wing groups, you know, secret malicious slash white supremacists, They work with Al-Qaeda and they've teamed up, so now it's the white guys we've got to secretly arrest and take away to the foreign gulags.
When in truth, the white supremacist groups, every time I investigate them, are federally founded and controlled and funded.
We've gone over countless articles.
The neo-Nazis in Germany set up by MI6.
Admit it, mainstream news.
The neo-Nazis in England set up by MI6.
Neo-Nazi groups, you know, and then you go track down who's got their P.O.
box and it's a Jewish group, you know, it's disgusting!
And so, you know, the key here is, in being politically involved, is to be a part of a land rights organization, or a second amendment group, and to be mainstream about your presentation, and to not get involved with the guy that Let's sneak around and be real paranoid because the government's going to get us and the guy that wants to talk about, you know, terror attacks with you and where they're going to be next.
I mean, you could spot these guys from a mile because they're so criminal.
Their M.O.
is so criminal.
And if you're unlucky enough to be in an event or something and one of them comes up to you, I mean, they just ooze criminality, that predatory look of how they want to hurt you and your family.
And people have got to get some discernment out there.
It's just amazing.
And then you've got all these little myriad so-called intelligence groups that basically just parrot, that's what I mean by government mouthpiece, parrot what the government says.
And you've got these FBI agents and CIA people and all over the news, we're gonna be hit, we're gonna take your rights.
When you get attacked, give up all your freedom, then you'll be safe.
They're drilling us to what our response is supposed to be.
And our response should be, not what they tell us, to grovel and say, I want to be your slave, but to educate everybody you know about who has a motive for terror attacks.
How the President's own think tank, 25-member think tank, including Dick Cheney, called for helpful terror attacks, helpful Pearl Harbor events.
For this global war in this domestic police state, and expose the prior knowledge of 9-11 and the government involvement.
Expose it like your life and your future and your liberty depends on it, because quite frankly it does.
They're taking America down economically, physically, spiritually, did I mention psychologically?
This is the deconstruction.
And then the leftists like Michael Moore, the fake leftist out there, will tell you the truth about 9-11, but then say, oh, we need the U.N.
to come in and take over America, because America's run by bad people.
The people running America are puppets of Europe!
Even Forbes admits they own this country!
It isn't Japan or China, it's the Europeans!
And they're shutting us down right now!
And letting us be the bad cop in Iraq!
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Stop it!
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And that's not how it works.
Give it to the bully and he'll just push it further and further and further.
And the globalists are far worse than bullies.
They're sociopathic luciferians that love death and sadism.
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Hi Alex, I just wanted to say how very insightful you are.
We've been doing this for 30 years and just so your listeners know, it is getting worse and worse and worse.
And it's so incredible that people think, like you said, if they keep their mouths shut, maybe it'll go away because, you know, they laugh at me all the time.
You're going to be the first one in the gulag.
And I say, yeah, you darn too.
And I'm going to fight.
And that's the way it is.
I'm not going down.
They think if they keep their mouths shut, it'll go away.
Empires train a cadre of people to torture the guy that looks different.
It's always a Jew they torture, an Arab they torture, or if it's a white guy in Africa they torture him.
The government will train their people on the outsider, but that training is really meant for the domestic population.
They're going to have a lot of trouble getting a huge cadre of people to torture citizens.
And that's why all the TV shows now promote torture.
They're trying to change our morals that torture is good.
And they're not winning that fight.
And so, they're going to fail.
They don't have the evil forces they need.
That's why they're having to bring in foreigners right now.
There's two ways that works.
They can bring in foreign Hessians, Germans, like the British did, or now about 20-30% of the military is foreign, Latin Americans.
They can bring in a foreigner who will torture you, or they can train our own people torturing foreigners, getting them to have a taste for it, and then bringing them back here.
Go ahead.
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Speaking about torture, I was reading an article too about How this is bringing up the ICC again, because we're so terrible now we do need, you know, the International Criminal Court.
See, I tell you the truth about the problem, but then the solution is, well, one of Al Capone's henchmen was bad, so Al Capone is going to have a trial for him.
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Another thing too, like Tex always said, sometimes pieces make up the big puzzle.
So I don't know if you know this, but they did shut off Jekyll Island last week.
And they have Bilderberg Group steering meetings at Jekyll Island.
They've shut down the Library of Congress, and it said, oh, there goes the Senators and people into the, you know, Lord Rothschild's here going into a secret meeting, no big deal.
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Right.
You know, it's just, people, you know, I've been doing this for 30 years, it's still, And sometimes, you know, my mouth drops open.
I can't... Well, like I always used to tell my kids, the devil is evil, not stupid.
But at any rate, uh...
Doing it for 30 years, I'm still flabbergasted at the time, the way these things come off.
And, you know, people, you try to talk to them, and they just look at you, they give you this blank stare, you know, like, you've got to be kidding.
I think George Bush, such a coward, that the reason he wanted to attack Iraq was because of his daddy, because Saddam supposedly tried to kill his dad.
So that was his reason for going in there, even though that wasn't the reason for his real men, the guys that control him.
And then a couple times when he started to wake up, like the one time he got the Shiner and said he passed out, I think he started saying, I can't do this.
One of his, one of his, um, one of his boys says, whacked him upside the head, said, shut up.
You're doing what we say.
Then the other day before his speech, he supposedly wiped out on his bike.
I think they roughed him up again and told him to shut up.
You don't hear that, that, that, that to do with big... Yeah, that's a surveillance, uh, intelligence gathering and then an engagement.
It'll be used as a command helicopter.
I'll have two Delta Force operators out on the, out on the slats.
Stay there.
I'll let you talk more about it when we get back.
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He joins us at least once a week in the third hour for this Tuesday edition.
Let's try to get through a couple of calls in this segment.
Let's let Tom in Texas finish up.
How many of these little command and control choppers are out there?
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Well, when it started out, I was on a friend of mine's sailboat over at Haul Out Yard.
You can see all the long ways.
There were three of them working together.
They flew right over.
It's not like they stayed on the island like they usually do, so they're not visible and flying over popular.
These guys were both in the ship channel, the intercoastal.
We were listening to your program on that shortwave radio when this happened, and you were into a good rant, I must say, and we put it on the bullhorn while these helicopters flew around, the black helicopters.
It was like they were almost there on cue, or your program was on cue, one of the two.
But that was three of them.
Then there was just a big mass of them, like 20, maybe 25, All grouped up in a file and I got to see a lot of the new devices hanging off of these.
I've seen them back in 97.
Real close look.
Now they've got what look like miniature Vulcan guns, rocket launchers, strange parabolic dish antennas, a vast array of antennas.
Okay, we had an incident during our primary elections in western Pennsylvania where about five or six people were running for a person who was a state rep who was retiring.
They all got threatening letters and they poo-pooed that and then The morning of the primaries, this Sam Kolowinko, who I talked to maybe two weeks before... Okay, give us, you know what, these type of calls, you know, I say you can call me about whatever you want, but, I mean, I know you're calling in from Pennsylvania.
I sent it to, not the 3001, to the other one that I got from one of your fellas on the order line.
Okay.
And there's a newspaper clipping of it.
It's very, very suspicious, and I suspect that The local coroner and the local chief of police must be in on this because you don't shoot yourself in the neck with your rifle to commit suicide and you don't do it an hour before the primaries open so you can find out whether you won or not.
He came in second even though everybody left the polls that was working for him by noon because they found out from the news that he had supposedly committed suicide.
Well, see, it'll be much easier once the Diebold machines are in, because then there won't even be any real race, and then they won't have to go after people.
But that is very, very suspicious.
I know that in the New District 10 race that Clear Channel owned the voting machines that their candidate voted on, I know that some of the people got threatened as well that were running against him.
We don't know if he was threatening them, probably not, but somebody was.
So thank you for the call.
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They've got a big symposium going on very soon up in Canada that you'll want to visit if you're in the area.
Concerning 9-11, I wish I could go.
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I just thought, this morning, we need to get Professor Trosadowski on because of his incredible research.
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So joining us is Professor Michel Chossodosky, and we will go to your calls early in this hour.
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Holden, we'll get to your calls here real quick, because it'll all tie in with our guest looking at the real geopolitical Spectrum, The Real Landscape.
He is Professor Michael Chossodosky up in Canada.
He's going to be with us for the rest of the hour, even into the next if he has time, when Paul Joseph Watson from England, one of our great analysts, joins us.
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Professor Chossodosky, let's go through this in a Uh, you know, focused fashion because I have a tendency to get you, you know, off into other tangents because I kind of have a scattershot approach, but... We all have a scattershot approach in this crazy world.
Exactly, there's so much going on, but first, first, I just want to state, our government The illegitimate elements of it for 50 years have trained the world how to torture.
It's admitted they ordered this torture.
It is incredible that they will deny that they've now done this.
So I want to ask you, the history of the torture briefly and then why you think CBS brought this out at this time when we already knew about the torture and had photos and video that had been in the foreign press.
And now where you think this is going, then next I want to get into how the government is saying we will have huge terror attacks, we're going to have to take your rights, top generals talking about martial law.
Well I mean, if you look at the CIA torture manuals, all the ingredients of this torturing are there.
The practice of making prisoners go naked is something which actually goes back to the Spanish Inquisition.
But I mean, if you look at Negroponte's background, the future ambassador, so-called ambassador, what he did in Honduras and Nicaragua was to set up this intelligence unit known as Battalion 316.
It was a CIA battalion.
The declassified documents pointed to the fact that the CIA was instrumental in first in training and equipping this battalion.
Uh, they were, they were, uh, they gave them the, you know, the method for, for actually, uh, torturing people.
They used, uh, shock and suffocation devices in their interrogations.
Yeah, well, I haven't done all the research on this.
I'm just quoting from some of the documents we've posted.
I think the other thing, which is of course very indicting, is this Red Cross report.
The International Committee of the Red Cross.
We posted the complete document, the complete text, which was leaked to the Wall Street Journal.
But there's something else which Which we followed carefully.
You might remember that on April 8th, when they pulled down the statue in Baghdad, that same day, they killed the ICRC representative, who happened to be a Canadian.
It didn't make front page news, it wasn't front page news.
They said that six vehicles of the Red Cross were caught in crossfire that day.
But the Red Cross was collaborating with Iraqi health authorities trying to bring first aid to civilians who were wounded in the hospitals and everything points to the fact that they actually Shot at the Red Cross.
Well, that happened also in April 8th, or thereabouts.
I mean, that's exactly what they were doing.
They had these embedded journalists, and then they said, well, let's go and kill whoever isn't embedded with us.
We kill them.
And they did that.
And they also killed the Red Cross rep who was in charge of logistics.
And as a result of that, the International Committee of the Red Cross, which monitors war crimes, And the detention of POWs significantly reduced their presence in Iraq in the wake of April 8th, which was the time when the troops came in to so-called liberate Iraq.
Well, I mean, this idea of installing democracy in countries under occupation is a big farce.
I mean, we saw what happened in Afghanistan when Hamid Karzai, who was actually selected by the so-called international community at a meeting in Germany, and then all of a sudden he becomes Prime Minister and then President of a country, and it just so happens he's a former uh... you know any of your account corporation and he
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worked with the cia but my brother i don't know what the
he also worked with the taliban so so so this is the equivalent of the germans
Well, that's... You know, maybe those images would get out in any case.
That's one interpretation, but certainly I think that right now The people are pulling the strings behind the scenes, which is the military-industrial complex.
Lockheed Martin calls the shots on US foreign policy.
Well, perhaps they've decided that this guy, George W. Bush, has spent his time in the White House, and he's only going to be an embarrassment for the next election, and we'd rather not Uh, put our eggs all into one basket.
And besides, besides, this will make the international community look good to punish Bush, when really it was the international community that was involved in all of this, using us as the puppet.
I think we have to understand that these guys are puppets.
They don't actually, perhaps Bush is more of a puppet than Kerry, but ultimately when Kerry gets into the White House, if he gets into the White House, he will be subjected to the same controls, the same pressures from the CIA, the Pentagon, and so on.
Ugly court battle could do collateral damage in the Richard Grasso case.
Spitzer's 54-page lawsuit, New York Attorney General, filed Monday makes Richard Grasso look more like a mafia boss than the head of the world's largest stock exchange.
And he ordered his employees to give him $200 million.
I mean, that's to give you an idea of the type of people we're dealing with.
And in 1999, Grasso went down and told the FARC in Columbia, invest your money with us or we're going to invade you.
I haven't followed the case, but I think the thing about criminalization, when we have people in, let's say, in high office, who are committing war crimes, not petty crimes, war crimes, They're violating the Geneva Convention.
They're ordering the torture of civilians.
They are violating the Nuremberg Charter and so on.
But ultimately, these people also decide who are the war criminals from their point of view.
And they set up, of course, they set up the kangaroo courts.
They send off people to Guantanamo, they arrest people whom they don't like, and so on and so forth.
That is called the criminalization of the state.
When war criminals have the legitimacy to decide who the war criminals actually are, when they themselves are the war criminals.
They just grab some innocent people to create the torture, then they fly out the Taliban and Al-Qaeda leaders out of Afghanistan because they work for the CIA!
But exactly, and that was the basis when Seymour Hersh revealed his getaway, The actual so-called enemy combatants, people who were actually fighting when they occupied Afghanistan in late October of 2001, the actual Al-Qaeda fighters were liberated.
They were airlifted to Pakistan and so they had to fill the concentration camp in Guantanamo With civilians, and in fact, that is the diabolical plan, is that the actual Al-Qaeda fighters were, which are created by the CIA, we know that, they were flown out of Afghanistan.
Yeah, no, the mainstream media admits it because it came out in Seymour Hersh's article in the New Yorker.
But the thing is that Seymour Hersh, which I think is a great guy, he doesn't push the analysis further and say, well, who are these people in Guantanamo?
I don't want to get into these terror attacks they say that are going to happen.
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Professor, in the next segment, I want to get into the government saying there will be massive terror attacks, we're going to put troops on the streets, it's all for your own good.
I want to get into the 9-11 whitewash commission, the symposium you guys are putting on up in Canada, exposing this.
But first, let's go ahead and take a couple calls.
Let's go ahead and talk to Brian in Texas.
Brian, you're on the air.
Go ahead.
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Thank you, Alex.
Of course you heard about the explosion at the chemical plant this morning, right?
Well, now, chemical plants do have explosions, do have problems.
That does happen, but the government's been saying we're going to have lots of these all over, but then what they do is they tell the police it's terror, but don't tell the public to create this underground fear in the establishment.
Well, I'll tell you what, give us the details of what you saw, Brian.
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Well, I haven't got very much on it, except that they expect the fire to burn at least for the next 12 hours, and it was at a chlorine plant.
But I had a question about, for the professor, about, we have down here a wild lands project, and I was wondering if The professor had heard anything like that for Canada as well.
You know, the Bible says that thieves come not but to steal, kill, and destroy.
I appreciate what your professor's saying.
He's a knowledgeable guy, and we need to hear a lot from people like that.
A suggestion I have for you, buddy Alex, is that every time you use the phraseology, the New World Order, you would add satanic in front of it and call what it is a satanic New World Order.
Well, I mean, I'm familiar with skull and bones, and I'm familiar with all the various, you know, secret societies, like the Bilderbergers, the Trilateral Commission, of course, the Council of Foreign Relations up to a point is also a secret society.
Well, I mean, Inevitably, people plan the New World Order.
You know, these are very powerful people, they're heads of corporations, they're CIA, they're military, and so on, and they meet, and they meet behind closed doors.
And to say that, it's not a question of looking at it from the point of view of conspiracy, there are military actors They're financial actors, and they do consult.
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News and World Report, where they said the White House tells us we will have massive attacks, then we've got all these top generals saying martial laws are good, and the next step, and I mean, they're really... Yeah, well, I've been following that from the statement of Tommy Franks in Cigar Aficionado.
Essentially what these people are saying, because it also comes up in Tommy Frank's statement, he talks about a massive casualty producing event, which I'll quote, I have the quote in front of me.
Franks identifies a scenario whereby, in fact, military rule could be established and he says, quote, a terrorist, massive casualty producing event will occur somewhere in the Western world and maybe in the United States of America that causes our population to question our own constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid A repeat of another mass casualty producing event.
Well he's saying essentially that the solution to preserve democracy is military dictatorship and he says that if there is a mass casualty event Or even a red-code alert, well obviously then the country closes down.
Well absolutely, but the thing is that they've already It's not something which should be excluded, because a number of analysts have actually said, yes, it will happen.
Professor, I've been covering the police state for 10 years, and they've been drilling to take over our cities, take over our towns, arrest citizens, put us in work camps.
The executive orders have been there for 30 years.
And now they're really making their move, and they're saying we will have massive attacks this year.
I mean, that's the White House, U.S.
News & World Report.
We know who's going to be behind it, who has the motive.
What's your response to that, and what should our response politically be to it?
Well, I find it extremely disturbing, because first of all, I know that the so-called outside enemy, which is Al-Qaeda, is fabricated by the CIA.
So if they're saying that Al-Qaeda is going to attack America, that means that they're behind Al-Qaeda.
They are, in a sense, also planning or at least establishing the scenario of those massive casualty-producing events.
It's very disturbing.
And when somebody like Tommy Franks makes that statement, Uh, which he made to a, to a, you know, to a magazine, which is pretty, it's called Cigar Afficcionado.
They had anti-terrorist exercises, which took place about a year ago, and uh... they look at procedures what happens let's say when uh... you know when when you have a record alert and in effect the country uh... to the quote the quote was from Sid Casperson the head of FEMA in New Jersey and Gannett News Service he said under a red alert virtually all liberties are stripped you're an enemy combatant you're not allowed to leave your home then the Washington Post said they're going to take all of our children out of the public schools and not let us have them
Yeah, well there were many statements, and I think that then Tom Ridge went on record and he said, if we go to Red Code Alert, we close down the country.
That's what he said, I mean, and what he means by that, essentially, that the whole civilian governmental system is replaced by a military regime.
Well, but on the other hand, you always have John Kerry to ensure continuity, you see.
This is a bogus democracy to start with, so whether it goes to military rule, or whether we have the militarization of civilian institutions under a formally constitutional government, it doesn't really fundamentally modify things.
And then you have this whole discussion on the repeal of the Posta Comitatus Act, which may sound very technical, but the Posta Comitatus Act, which was passed after the U.S.
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Bush now has this new Patriot Act, I call it 2.5, because they passed Part of 2 back in December, not the whole thing, but now they've got Patriot Act 2.5, and there's a lawsuit, you know, it's a gag order when they're investigating you, then there's a gag order on the ACLU lawsuit, so there are lawsuits involved, they've already implemented Patriot Act 2 and Patriot Act 2.5, but then they're saying, oh, we've got to pass it, so they want to simply Exactly.
legalize the criminal activity they've been involved in exactly
because that there will be a more civilian court well let me bring this up and we'll go to some calls
We'll go ahead and take a few calls here in a second and then let you go at the end of the hour.
Now, getting back to this, though, because this is important.
I don't know if you hear American radio, U.S.
radio up in Canada, but we have a bunch of national talk show hosts every day saying anyone that disagrees with the government is aiding terrorists and needs to be put in a forced labor camp.
That's a quote.
That's even on TV.
MSNBC has a host that promotes that.
My neighbors are starting to talk like this.
And I mean, this is a dangerous climate, Professor.
All these federally funded TV shows are promoting torture now.
It sounds a bit like the Spanish Inquisition, actually, because they said... I remember that during the Spanish Inquisition, it was illegal to defend the heretics Because lawyers were immediately branded as terrorists, and anybody who was actually, you know, anybody who would say he was not a terrorist had to denounce five or six other people, okay?
It really, there's a whole history, but the Spanish Inquisition is really the basis of this kind of consensus.
It creates an atmosphere of fear and intimidation.
You remember, that's in the British comic series Monty Python, they said, fear and surprise, fear and surprise, here comes the Spanish Inquisition.
Well, we're in that kind of mode.
We're creating a situation where people are terrified by possible terror alerts.
They expect the state will protect them and then they will start, then they have a 1-800 number and they say, if there's anything fishy in your neighborhood, your neighbor isn't doing the right thing.
And then of course there's no real terrorists to find, so then now Homeland Security and Public Service ads says, oh, we're now fighting crime.
We're putting cameras up to fight crime, report crime, defend the homeland.
So now there's this super national federal system running our local police, and now there's no real terrorists to find, so we're going to fight criminals.
Admiral Poindexter has a criminal record and he's running the Big Brother Data Bank, which oversees 350 million people when there's only, you know, there's not more than 300 million people in America.
I mean, they've got more data files than there are people.
Let's go ahead and take a couple calls and we'll let you get out of here, Professor.
We've got Paul Watson coming up.
Heather in Colorado.
Heather, you're on the air.
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Yeah, I wanted to comment on the question that you asked your guest regarding why the information concerning the torture photos and the Nick Berg video was presented at this moment.
Well, I think that considering what the media does is that they give a moral ethical conflict to the people.
They present this to the population.
And then they give you an exception to the rule in order to manipulate Your moral values into accepting torture.
Is that public opinion, even going through this very biased media of CNN and NBC and CBS, OK, but particularly CNN, we see the images of the war and the killings and so on.
We have the reports.
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I just cleared an area outside of Birmingham.
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They've cleared about... Well, you say it's not a drill, and I've been to 50 of these drills where they do just this and then never tell anybody it's a drill.
All part of heightening the subconscious fear.
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Yeah, well, it could be that, Alex, but I'm telling you that they've got a very big area in North Birmingham shut down right now.
Well, regarding the information that you're talking about right now, I think this could be another ploy right into it.
I think that the hype and the fear that they're spreading is doing that to try to weaken us.
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Okay, now my thought on Rumsfeld going to Iraq for that one day, that surprise visit, I believe that Rumsfeld went there to tell those people to shut up and to stop showing those pictures.
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On Gematria, that's what numerology is considered in the occult.
And number nine, I remember someone calling and saying, well I had looked this up too, But there were 911 days from the bombing of the trains in Spain from 9-11-01.
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Well, I mean, we always have the white chair that looks the same, the weird brown cream walls, you know, his CIA connections, working with Iraqis who work for the State Department, working with, you know, being around hijackers, working at the prison, but now we've got top forensic heads of universities in the U.S.
and Australia and others saying this thing's an obvious fake, the video itself!
Well, it's interesting you mention their CIA connections.
There was actually a London Times article on Sunday which covered most of the things that we brought up in the past two weeks and circulated without giving us any credit, of course, as they always don't.
But I mentioned that, and I think the quote was something like, many people have postulated that because Berg had connections to Al-Qaeda members, or supposed Al-Qaeda members, that he is then, according to the hypothesis, connected to the CIA.
So there you have the London Times itself making the connection between Al-Qaeda and the CIA in one sentence.
But this new piece of evidence has been circulating around the internet for a few days, and as yet it's unconfirmed.
And I suppose, you know, a call to Kodak would probably confirm it.
But numerous people are looking at the digital watermarks, which are not visible to the naked eye on the videos.
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On both the Abu Ghraib video released by the Washington Post on Friday and the Nick Berg execution video.
And saying that basically the codings are exactly the same.
And apparently Kodak have undertaken the analysis and are set to release it to the major media in the next few days.
So whether that happens remains to be seen.
But as you mentioned, the previous evidence that we discussed does indeed point to the same hypothesis.
We know that Berg worked at Abu Ghraib prison.
Before his capture, he was wearing the orange jumpsuit that we see in the video.
And again, with those new photos released on Friday by the Washington Post, we have a picture of one of the Iraqi detainees there in the exact same orange jumpsuit.
As you said, the standard issue white chairs are seen in both the torture footage and the burg footage.
And another thing which got picked up by the London Times on Sunday in the same article is that several frames in the Berg video suggest military personnel on the set of the filming.
Now that, again, isn't conclusive either way, but it certainly, you know, it fits the pattern.
And of course, the Western voices on the end of the tape saying, that I will be done, or other people, you know, postulate that it says, this is how it will be done.
And it sounds more like that to me.
So it's, you know, it's as if someone is directing them when they go ahead and decapitate what's looking more and more like a mannequin.
We'll be right back, ladies and gentlemen, after this quick break.
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But, um, yeah, he's supposedly going to defect to the other side and play the good cop, um, just before the UN come in, but alongside this, we've got, um, the report where the Pentagon and the State Department are going to go ahead and set up this 75,000 member international peacekeeping force, which is called Global Peace Operations Initiative, which is basically going to be under the auspices of the UN.
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Well, yeah, they're running out of excuses, really, because, um, you know, the only weapons of mass destruction, there were actually weapons of mass destruction found, but it turned out that they were, um, in Alabama.
So, that was the only story of that nature, apart from these mythical, um, ghosts like, you know, bioweapons trucks and exploded serine shells, which then, the photographs show the inspectors, you know, opening up and sniffing with no protective gear or anything, so, must be highly dangerous stuff.
The report now is that they're going to go ahead and get rid of Sanchez, the military commander, who according to our information is one of many heads that are going to roll over the next few weeks and we're actually going to put a special report on PrisonPlanet.tv Later today or tomorrow about that for subscribers and it's kind of the inside scoop.
So they're getting rid of a lot of the military commanders now and phasing in a new legion of them along with this new peacekeeping force in line with the UN.
It's incredible, and I'm sure you heard about Richard Grasso, Dick Grasso, with his $200 million payout, and we have Spitzer, and his 54-page lawsuit filed Monday makes Richard Grasso look more like a mafia boss than the head of the world's largest stock exchange.
I just want to point out that the entire government and these so-called quasi-governmental agencies and private groups like the New York Stock Exchange are just looting the entire economy.
And it's a minor footnote, a trillion bucks, with some loose change, 200 billion missing, and the average person has no idea, even though it's admitted by the government itself, Paul.
What about the CIA chief pays secret visit to Qatar to silence Al Jazeera?
But Fox News, you know, created that name for it, and everyone says it now.
Apparently he went over there because they're not happy with their government allowing Al Jazeera to report uncensored on torture and many other issues.
Now, there's two perspectives on this.
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Durbin was among those who were bringing up questions on abuses of the Patriot Act on citizens who, as they said, didn't even know they were being secretly surveilled.
Now, after this, Just before it closed, Orrin Hatch, Mr. Hatchett, said that absolutely no one could give one instance of abuse... Yeah, that's one of their favorite... These neocons say this, and then no one challenges it.
This, okay, I'll give you... Well, supposedly... Hold on, ma'am, ma'am, ma'am.
You brought this up.
Let me comment on it.
They have used it on county commissioners, popless bars, pot dealers.
About a year and a half ago, the Justice Department said they're going to use it for all crimes.
State prosecutors have been using it.
I mean, Paul Watson, we've probably seen, what, a hundred articles where they've been using the Patriot Act against the general public in non-terror related cases.
And that's a British citizen, a white guy, imagine if you're an Arab how bad it is, who they claimed may have owed a few thousand dollars on a car, and it turned out he quote, paid the debt.
So now having bad debts, and they admit that gets run through the database, gets you shackled for 24 hours.
See, that's how these staged events work.
It's all a staged hearing, and they go, oh, show me one example.
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Well, what I'm saying is that Orrin Hatch ended this committee by Supposedly trying to shut down the questioning on it.
Well yeah, I mean Kerry voted for the Patriot Act, they all did.
Most people don't realise that, you know, there's this whole debate about, oh we're gonna, most of it expires in 2005, we're gonna not let them renew it and all that kind of thing.
10%, only 10% of the whole Act has a sunset clause, so most of it is indefinite.
Alan Dershowitz was on Hannity & Combs the day after you, promoting his favorite topic of the need to legalize torture of American citizens by local police, all because of Nick Berg.
And you mentioned that Georgia tried to pass a law, I think in 96, to legalize the guillotine, cut American heads off, and cannibalize the body parts.
Which are worth, I guess, half a million dollars a corpse.
So, Hollywood could make new PR horror movies that are crossed between Crooked Cop, The Macon County Line, and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre by Abu Ghraib prison guards coming back to America.
Well, I mean, Alan Dershowitz, the big liberal... Remember the Baptist Church getting shot up a few years ago in Fort Worth?
No, I got on air and said, I saw him, this is about five years ago now, I saw him on Crossfire say, Christians are pro-gun, they deserve what happened to them.
I said that about Muslims or Jews, and people didn't believe me, and they actually went and got the transcript off CNN, where he said it.
Well, last week a caller to Clear Channel on one of their blowtorches in Nashville said his car was towed after it broke down on the interstate, and he got a parking ticket and vehicle seizure for violating the Homeland Security Act.
And the lawyers and judges who host that show said he should plead guilty to terrorism and pay the ticket.
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I have seen the news articles, and they've got it in the Patriot Act and the Homeless
Security Act where blocking traffic is an act of terrorism.
We've seen them try to pass it at the state level in places like Oregon, where if you download music illegally, block traffic, have a firearm illegally, it's life in prison in a forest labor camp.
But they know that 99.9% of people aren't going to go read the legislation.
And so, John, just finishing up with you, you said that you were listening to talk radio and they had this judge and a lawyer on.
The guy said, yeah, my car broke down, so they said that Homeland Security wanted to charge me and has charged me now.
Yeah, that talk radio show is on before Art Bell on Saturday night, so that should tell you something.
But it's a good show, titled Legally Speaking, out of Nashville.
But the lawyers did try to pretend that no such law existed.
They may have been ignorant, but Tennessee Code 3913-801 is the Terrorism Prevention and Response Act of 2002, and it defines terrorism as, quote, any offense under the laws of Tennessee that directly or indirectly affects the conduct of a unit of government, end quote.
Now again, any offense that affects the conducts of protesting, and this is what the neocons are saying on talk radio, arrest those that disagree with the government.
And also, we had the news story which said that the latest changes to the Patriot Act would include executions, was it, for any crime which was punishable by over 20 years imprisonment?
You know, John, I bet you don't like it that Eliot Spencer of the New York Attorney General is basically calling the former head of the Stock Exchange a mobster.
I bet you've got a problem with all the scams that this guy ran, or maybe you think it's great.
I mean, you've got 50,000 cops in New York City and not a one of them is man enough to find probable cause and arrest the mobbed up Mayor Giuliani or Grasso or Bush when he comes to town for killing cops.
Because Bush is a cop killer and the cops won't even arrest him.
Well, that's true, and then now the Commission's tried to blame the cops and the firemen when they took all the transmission tapes that show the bombs.
I mean, how did the Commission get down to blaming cops?
They said Bush or no one did anything but the cops and the firemen.
I actually had a cartoon up which showed the ghosts of the firemen before the Commission.
And you know, the Commission head, Keane, you know, Bin Laden's business partner, you know, blaming them for the disaster when they were running into the burning buildings while the Port Authority was telling people to stay in the South Tower.
Well, you know, before the second plane crashed and after the second plane crashed.
Oh you're so... Well the family members up there are being wusses.
They should have their own community access TV shows and tell it like it is and they should all stand up one at a time And get thrown out one at a time and disrupt every one of those hearings.
That's what they should do, but they don't have the guts to do it.
Well, a lot of them have been, and they've been out in the hallways doing it, and we've got photos of, you know, twenty news cameras around them, but it's never in the newspaper.
Thanks for the call.
Let's go ahead now and take another call.
Let's talk to Charlie in New York City.
Go ahead, Charlie.
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Hi, Alex.
Listen, a friend of mine about three months ago gave me your tape.
9-11 rolled a tyranny.
And I was a pretty happy, well-adjusted American.
And, uh, since that time I've been listening to your show here on local radio.
And quite frankly, my world has been turned upside down.
I do, because, I mean, just to read the newspapers for several hours a day and be faced with that level of evil on a daily basis, it would have that effect, but at least you know that, you know, if this amount of evil exists, then it's almost good.
But just to know that that evil exists, then it is empowering in a certain sense.
Well, if you're asking about having any luck, you can listen to us in three radio stations in upstate New York.
I mean, we're on in Denver, and Los Angeles, and Austin, and Pensacola, Florida, and Kansas City, Missouri, and Albuquerque, New Mexico, I mean all over the place.
But, you know, it's millions of people, but it's not tens of millions.
It should be.
But we're having a big effect, and people have, radio stations have put up billboards before, you know, around the country here in Austin.
But again, I'm just one person in this fight, sir.
It's all of us being part of a Bill of Rights culture, being part of the process of freedom.
Well, I would just say that if our examples, and we're just two people, are, you know, a microcosm of the wider awakening that is taking place, then it's reason to be optimistic, because the media attention that we've got just does to alone, especially Alex, in the past few months, is gargantuan and he's growing all the time, because obviously when you get picked up by, say, Vanity Fair, Other big television companies or newspapers or radio stations then become interested and so your platform grows and grows and it's exponential and in the past few months it's just you know growing out of proportion so we've got them on the ropes at the moment there's no doubt about that which makes them more dangerous but at least we know that our platform is growing all the time and many new people are coming on board.
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Alex, do I have permission to advertise and put your movie at a local theater?
In other words, if I want to spend $30,000 on advertising, and I want to show it on a Saturday night... Well, you wouldn't need to spend $30,000 on advertising.
Well, if I want to go billboards, newspaper, radio... Well, you'd want to do that to show it for a month in a theater.
I mean, a couple thousand dollars in advertising would pack the theater.
Every showing we've had of road to tyranny across the country.
People, it's been packed every time.
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Do I have to get this legally, or do I contact your people?
I mean, go get your own radio talk show on a Saturday night.
You want to plop money down, I mean, it should cost you on a big station, maybe $500 an hour, and then you can talk to tens of thousands of people, or go pay the 50 bucks, 100 bucks, and get a local access TV show and talk to thousands, you know, once a week.
I mean, there's a lot of... Look, you don't need to promote me.
Well yeah, most people are just followers and sometimes it is a case that we're just preaching to the choir but people don't realise how easy nowadays it is with the internet and the growth of the internet to create your own media platform and then in a sense we infiltrate the mainstream media because time and again, just like this Berg thing with his Sunday Times article, they read what we're writing on the internet and that's what, you know, that makes the basis, the foundation of the stories that
they write.
Obviously they never give us credit, which you know...
Well they do some, but they're having to respond to us.
Because so many... I mean look, we don't have the biggest freedom websites,
you know, truth seeker websites out there, but they're big.
If we get tens of millions of visitors a month, and their site's much bigger than us, and they're getting tens and tens and tens of millions a month, and it's growing and growing and growing, I mean, I'm seeing an awakening.
Paul, I remember telling you when I started getting you a bunch of radio interviews, you said, I'm not going to get beat up on these shows, and I said the host may, but I said most of the callers are going to call in and agree with you.
And then you went and did it, and you were surprised.
Well, yeah, before I got those radio interviews, we're talking, you know, late last year, I actually made a big stack of notes on how I would respond to the different accusations and attacks that would be made against me.
It shows the effect that you out there are taking action.
But again, the Peter Jennings, the Dan Rathers of the world make you feel like you're all alone, that nobody thinks like you do.
And that's not the case.
And frankly, some of these so-called patriots want to think like that.
Oh, we're the special chosen.
Only we have the answers.
Everyone else is stupid.
No one else gets it.
No.
People are intelligent, know something's wrong, but they are ignorant in that they think that they are alone.
Oh, it's incredible, Paul.
Look, I saw this article in the Scotsman today.
Britain fights EU proposals for random breath tests.
The government is facing a bureaucratic struggle to fight off a European Union proposal for British police to adopt continental-style random breathalyzer tests of motorists to cut down on drunk driving.
The Home Office yesterday rejected as insufficient the introduction of random stop and search type policing, which is being recommended by the European Commission.
Britain, Ireland, and Denmark are the only EU countries where random checks are not legal.
What does that mean?
Paul, I've probably seen 50 articles Where they make clubbers give DNA swabs or drug tests, or they take your hair out for drug testing, and where they walk you through scanners that image your naked body, where they stop people and take DNA randomly at road checkpoints, but then they come out and say, oh, look, we're against the EU, we're not going along with this.
I mean, here in America, they'll randomly pull you over and demand breathalyzers at checkpoints, but then they claim they're not doing it, but then they claim they are doing it.
And I mean, it's the stamp of global government that the EU can make these laws.
They're now proposing dividing Britain up into different Euro regions.
So even, you know, it gets down to that level.
And we've got Euro elections coming up in Britain in June, which will decide on who represents Britain in the European Parliament.
And the only party, and this is getting a sizable The only party that stands for getting out of Europe completely is the UK Independence Party, which is why the Liberal Democrats, Labour, the Socialist Left, along with the Tories, the so-called Right Wing,
publicly announced that they were getting together to discredit the UK
Independence Party because it's the only party that advocates full withdrawal of
Europe and abolishing the right of the EU, this centralized dictatorship that
we supposedly fought, you know, a world war over against centralization of power
in Britain. They're the only party opposing it and opposing these kinds of
ridiculous intrusions into British sovereignty and so the right and the
left of the mainstream political Britain have teamed up to demonize.
It's funny that the media in Britain give all the focus to this one party that's anti-Europe but is also basically advocating a white Aryan race that's basically neo-Nazis.
The media gives them all the attention and then says if you're anti-Europe then you're with the BNP, which is basically the modern day Nazi party, so that's how they do it.
There's a Nazi who's for freedom a hundred miles from here!
You must be with him!
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Well, first of all, how naive do they think we are, you know, to imagine that people are just walking around with, you know, needles full of Ebola and just accidentally sticking it... Yeah, in Level 4 labs, you have your hands... Inside the containment unit.
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And many of these people who've died have had connections with that, including David Kelly.
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I've no idea because the article doesn't say, but I mean what happened is the CERNE Armed Services Committee got the supposed 8,000 pages, 6,000 pages, sorry, stacked them up against 6,000 blank pages of paper and noticed that 2,000 pages were missing.
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