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The next three hours we will talk more about the whole Saddam Hussein situation and the latest developments here politically with that and take your calls and get your response, your insight, your take on it.
We haven't had Paul Joseph Watson of PrisonPlanet.com, my webmaster and researcher, on in a few weeks.
We've got him coming on in the second hour to talk about the Saddam situation and of course mainstream headlines that MI6 may have been involved in the murder of Princess Diana.
There's more government-sponsored terror news coming out with MI5 doing the bombings in England.
Looks like President Musarraf, the dictator of Pakistan, may have staged that bombing to make it look like he's under terror attack, just like our government does.
Congressman McDermott, who I don't agree with on many things, he's a big socialist, came out and said, looks like they already knew where Saddam was, may have even been holding him, and this was staged.
I mean, look, we have the Israeli websites saying it looks like he was a captive.
We have Congressman LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd telling the Associated Press and other newspapers that, oh yeah, we've got Saddam, we'll be bringing him out real soon.
We've got Tommy Franks in the Marshall Law article.
Uh, that was published in Cigar Aficionado, also saying that, uh, we'll be catching Saddam in the next few weeks.
So, interesting little leaks there, adding credibility to this.
But people howling and saying, how dare McDermott question this?
I mean, that's his right.
That's a good thing.
We need questions.
And look, I mean, Howard Dean, George W. Bush, it doesn't matter who wins the election, folks.
They're all globalists, the same agenda, gun control, open borders, more NAFTA and GATT, it's all the same stuff, and a lot of people are acting like the Saddam capture is winning the Super Bowl, and boy, aren't we all big now, and meanwhile the dollar plunged more yesterday, and the trade deficit got bigger, and did you know they passed the Patriot Act, too, under a new name over the weekend?
Yeah, Bush signed it, and giving them almost unlimited powers on a whole new wide range of subjects, but that doesn't matter.
Hey, you know, that's what Saddam would do.
Saddam would have legislation like that, and after all, our government put Saddam into power and told him to attack Iran and did all that.
I hear the neocons talking about how evil he was attacking Iran all last night, all today, how evil Saddam is.
It is evil what he did.
He is evil.
But we cannot look at the geopolitical spectrum and not look at what our government has done.
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washington congressman questions saddam timing this is out of the associated press
The Washington congressman who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year has questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.
Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington State, told a Seattle radio station Monday the U.S.
military could have found Saddam a long time ago if they wanted to.
Asked if he thought the weekend capture was time to help Bush.
McDermott chuckled and said, yeah, oh yeah.
The Democrat congressman went on to say there's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing.
When interviewed by Dave Ross, asked again if he meant to imply that the Bush administration timed the capture for political reasons, McGermott said, I don't know that it was definitely planned on the weekend, but I know they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was.
It was just a matter of time till they find him.
It's funny, McDermott added, when they've been having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something.
State Republicans immediately condemned McDermott's remarks, saying the Seattle Democrat again was engaging in crazy talk about the Iraq War.
Once again, McDermott has embarrassed this state with his irresponsible ranting.
GOP State Chairman Chris Vance said in a news release, calling him to apologize Okay, well let's talk about the facts.
I'm looking at the Associated Press and several other news reports.
Lahood, Hussein's capture imminent.
recently said he thought it was possible the president bush advanced knowledge nine eleven
the voters deserve to know if the entire democratic party believes in the sorts of better paranoid
conspiracy theories close quote okay well let's talk about the facts i'm looking at the
associated press and several other news reports low-level
hussein's capture imminent this is december second
that's this month folks about uh... twelve days ago thirteen days ago
Representative Ray LaHood held his thumb and forefinger slightly apart and said, we're this close to catching Saddam Hussein, or an inch away.
Once that's accomplished, Iraq resistance will fall apart, said the five-term Republican congressman from Peoria, who serves on the House Intelligence Committee.
A member of the Pentagraph editorial board, not really expecting an answer, asked LaHood for more details, saying, Do you know something we don't?
Yes, I do, replied LaHood.
LaHood spent an hour at the newspaper Monday discussing the war on terror, the 04 elections in central Illinois, regional economic development, and his less than enthusiastic appraisal of Governor Rod Blagojevich's performance.
A comment about the deposed Iraqi president came while LaHood discussed next year's elections.
And he again went on to say, uh, do you know something we don't?
Yes, I do.
Well, it looks like General Tommy Franks, the outgoing head of CENTCOM, who was interviewed in the December issue of Chigar Aficionado, we have the whole article transcribed.
It wasn't online, but now it is, on InfoWars.com.
And among the other little tidbits in there, not just martial law, the next step in our government, but he also said, oh, we're going to catch Saddam in the next few weeks.
And guess what?
They caught him in the next few weeks.
He said, we're going to catch him real soon.
And LaHood says he knew something that the media didn't know when talking to a Central Illinois newspaper and then, of course, picked up by the Associated Press 14 days ago.
But McDermott is a wild-eyed, crazy liberal, which I agree.
He's a socialist.
He wants our guns.
He's for more taxes and regulation.
Oh, he's just like George Bush.
So there's no real difference there, but we don't like him, but we love Bush because he has an R before his name.
But you have all these people bragging about how they were about to catch Saddam.
Other generals spouted off, and you have the Israeli publication that's been pretty accurate in the past, the Debka file, and they're saying it looks like he'd been beaten, looks like he'd been, you know, that he'd been drugged, looks like he was down in this hole for a long time.
By the way, it's being pointed out that Saddam's beard, and again, the average person can grow a beard that long in about a year or longer, but let's say Saddam grows a beard twice as fast.
know half an inch three-quarters of an inch uh... a month
he had a six inch beard folks he was supposedly videotaped a month after the globalist
took over iraq running around without a beard just with his mustache
so that's three and a half months uh... how did he grow that huge beard and why is the beard
gray right up
to his temples because folks i've seen a million beards so have you
If somebody's going to have gray, solid gray up to their temples, and it's not going to turn black suddenly at the temple, right up to the top of his head.
But his hair is black, with no gray in it, and then suddenly you get to his beard and it turns gray.
Just instantly.
Reuters reported that he had had his fake beard ripped away by the troops and suddenly in the Associated Press it was, oh no, they shaved his beard off, he had a run-in with an army barber.
So we don't know what the truth is.
And I dug up some old news articles from earlier this year where they talked about his 10 body doubles.
Where's number 2?
Where's number 8?
Where's number 6?
Where's number 7?
Where's number 9?
They admit he has body doubles.
It's not like we're just on the air saying there's body doubles.
It could be a body double.
They've been on the record saying he's got body doubles.
Now this looks like the Saddam we've seen a lot in the past.
Some are pointing out this guy has light brown eyes.
We went and looked.
Saddam really does have dark black eyes.
It looks a lot like Saddam though.
Better than the guy with the glasses during the Shakinah bombardment.
So I don't know.
I just know we've been lied to about the Jessica Lynch rescue that was produced by Jerry Bruckheimer.
I know we've been lied to about mobile weapons trucks.
We've been lied to about mass graves.
We've been lied to about weapons of mass destruction.
We've been lied to about Niger uranium transfers.
Turns out that was manufactured.
The Pentagon has planted hundreds of fake letters from troops with false signatures in major newspapers.
We know they lie to us!
So we don't know what the truth is, but more is beginning to emerge.
But how can they criticize McDermott when he says, oh, well, we know that they knew where he was, when we've got LaHood, Ray LaHood, the Republican congressman, and we've got Tommy Franks, the head of CENTCOM, and all these people saying the same thing, basically, weeks before!
But we're a dumbed down population and listening to Neocon talk today before I went on the air, it was Saddam has mass graves.
Saddam had the mobile weapons trucks.
Saddam has the weapons of mass destruction.
He's a big murderer.
He did this to his own people.
He attacked Iran viciously.
And I'm going, wait a minute, they admit those mass graves, those boxes of sand and bones, were an exchange program with Iran.
That was admitted back in 92.
They knew right where that warehouse was.
They went there to go, oh look, mass graves, when they knew full well ten years before what it was.
We know that Saddam is a killer.
A CIA assassin in 1954.
By the late 60s, the head of Iraq security.
And of course, the coup in the late 70s.
I've been saying 78, it's 79 when he took over.
Then he followed orders and attacked Iran, was a big hero.
I remember sitting there in the kitchen, my mother had a little TV in the kitchen, she still has it, things lasted forever.
She's watching television, cutting up, uh, you know, I mean, I'd come back from soccer or football practice, she'd be in there cutting up carrots and stuff for dinner, and I remember hearing every day how Saddam was this great guy fighting the evil Iranians.
But not anymore!
The neocons say, vicious, evil, demonic, kill all these Iranians, blah blah blah.
It's amazing, folks.
The CIA helped train his Republican Guard, the School of America's helped train him in torture, And you notice our media one day saying how good torture is, and the next day, Saddam's evil, he tortures.
So I'm just saying it's hypocritical, it's a fraud, Saddam's nothing compared to China that Bush just cut Taiwan loose to them, changing our 50 plus year treaty.
Uh, nothing compared to Rumsfeld giving nuclear reactors to North Korea.
These are the real threats, folks.
But they tell us Russia and China are good now, and our little buddies, and Hussein's the new Hitler.
They keep comparing him to Hitler down in his bunker.
It's a fraud if you know the historical facts!
And Bill Clinton continued the bombing of Saddam.
The Democrats, if they were in power, would have done the same thing.
They're acting like they're against it now.
I mean, we can't make this a partisan issue.
It's an issue of right and wrong.
It's an issue of this being a fraud.
They can't sit there and say he's evil because he attacked Iran when he did it under U.S.
government control!
It is ridiculous!
And it just shows how dumbed down everybody's gotten.
Coming up, the real significance of Saddam's capture.
Saddam tried to negotiate with U.S.
captors.
Saddam drugged, says sister.
Also, we'll get into his roots being dark black, but everything else being gray.
It turns out Musharraf, fake bid of life, a fake bombing.
Times of London, again, government staging bombings.
It's being admitted all the time.
The Scotsman, Diana's death linked to MI6 plot.
Bush approval rating jumps 10 points.
U.S.
troops disperse pro-Saddam protest in Tikrit.
Americans snap up foreign goods, push deficit with China to record high.
Dollar drops again against the Euro.
GIs beat arrests, disperse pro-Saddam protesters.
More on electronic voting machine fraud.
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Number one, they admit he had at least ten body doubles.
I have government announcements from eight months ago where they're talking about number two Saddam, number eight Saddam, number seven Saddam, number ten Saddam, number three Saddam.
And so we say it looks like Saddam, that's because we've seen the doubles so many times, or is it really Saddam?
But then they point out that Saddam had dark black eyes.
This guy has light brown eyes.
He has light brown eyes, almost green eyes.
Okay.
Then on top of that, his beard goes up gray right to the temples and then suddenly turns black.
Now, has he been dyeing his hair?
Where are the roots?
There are no roots.
There's no gray hair.
And Reuters reported that it was a, quote, fake beard.
Then the government said, no, no, no, it was a real beard.
Then you mentioned had him in a hole for a while.
It's not just liberal McDermott saying this out in Washington State on the radio yesterday, the congressman.
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Yes, I do, replied LaHood.
We're this close, holding his fingers up an inch apart, to catching Saddam Hussein.
We have General Tommy Franks saying in a news article that's on my site that we're about to catch him in the next few weeks.
And then we have the Israeli intelligence people at the Debka file going, you know, it looks like he's been held captive, looks like he's been beaten, maybe drugged, down in this hole.
I mean, what do you think?
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And it's like you said in The Waking Life, it's all a big buffet of lies and I'm not eating it.
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Coming up, we'll talk to John in Texas, David in Texas, Tom, Colorado, Kenneth, South Carolina, and many others.
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We have Ronald Reagan, CIA advisor, joining us, Ray McGovern, in the third hour as well, and a bunch of your calls in this hour.
We have the Democrat congressman being attacked, Jim McDermott, who is a gun grabber who I don't like, but so is George Bush, I don't like him either.
And McDermott, though, did have questions about 9-11 that were reasonable and good.
And he now has questions saying, look, we all know that they knew where he was for the last few weeks or months.
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And everybody goes, how dare you?
But in the December 2nd news articles out of Illinois and the Associated Press, Congressman Ray LaHood Uh, said that, uh, we're this close, an inch away from catching Saddam.
The reporter said, do you know something we don't?
Yes, I do, replied LaHood.
Uh, Tommy Franks, in this month's issue of, uh, Cigar Aficionado, came out two weeks ago, three weeks ago, uh, said, uh, that they were, quote, about to capture Saddam.
So, yeah, folks, they had him in that hole as a prisoner.
Probably Republican Guard paid off by Rummy, who admits he did pay off a bunch of Republican Guard.
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Yes, I'd love to be able to write an analysis of it, but Ron Paul's done that, and he says it's mostly what was in Patriot Act 2, which they were already implementing without passing the law, and this weekend Bush signed it.
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Earlier you had a A gentleman, one of your callers, was saying, you guys were talking about the economy, and I'd like to just make a few comments about that.
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The last caller talked about the economy and how the globalists like to constrict the economy and then like to build it back up, always getting us in more debt, always overextending us, consolidating.
And that is absolutely true.
They've got to have boom-bust cycles to consolidate power.
Now, a few months ago there was an article in the Austin American Statesman, derived out of Forbes Magazine, where they show that the Fortune 500 all got richer, And have big profits.
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Also more on Bush signing Patriot Act 2 this weekend.
So I guess you can celebrate that we're becoming more like Saddam's Baghdad every day, Saddam's Iraq here in America.
But let me just state, I'm no fan of Saddam Hussein.
He's a bad guy.
But compared to China, compared to North Korea, compared to Russia, compared to a lot of our supposed buddies, He's nothing.
And he was put into power in 79.
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In 54, he was a CIA assassin.
That's all on the record.
He was told to attack Iran.
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And that's on the record.
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But I hear neocons on TV and on the radio saying, oh, he's so evil he attacked Iran.
Oh, he's got mass graves.
Turns out those mass graves were fake, folks.
They knew about that site in 92.
It had been inspected.
Iran said, yeah, it's an exchange program of our dead and their dead.
That's why it was boxes of sand and bones.
Our government knew exactly what that site was, ran in there, the day they captured it, said, look, mass graves, mass graves.
The neocons, I heard three different shows today on the radio, all stating it.
They know it's a lie.
I even heard a show mention mobile weapons trucks.
They know, day one, that that had British serial numbers on it.
They knew it was for pumping up hydrogen blimps for surveillance from the trench warfare in the mid-80s with the Iranians.
They knew all of this!
They knew that they planted fake news articles, fake letters from the troops in the papers.
They knew about the Niger document, the fake uranium.
They're lying to you, so we can't trust what they're doing with Iraq and Saddam right now.
That's all I'm saying.
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We're part of kicking that bully's hind end.
When in truth, he's our bully, and the big bully's now taking him over.
Paul Watson, thank you for joining us, my friend.
There's a lot of different facets and angles on Saddam here.
As you said when I talked to you last time on the phone, more will emerge.
It has emerged.
They're batting just a perfect score right now for lying to us, staging events with Private Lynch, all of it.
Well, first off Alex, I think a lot of people are being led up the Gordon Path on one issue and we need to amputate completely a line of inquiry that is serving as a distraction and there's a lot of disinformation on it already.
Yes, it is the real, in inverted commas, Saddam Hussein.
It's not a double.
I've been receiving dozens of emails saying, you know, compare the nose, compare the years, etc.
etc.
to the historical photographs.
But when you do compare them, it's the same man.
And some are saying that you can't do a DNA test that quickly when in fact If you have everything prepared beforehand, then you can finish a DNA test in 12 hours.
That's not to say that... Well, I said that it looks just like him.
The other doubles, the guy with the glasses on TV didn't look like him.
One of the big smoking guns isn't just...
Congresswoman McDermott saying, oh, we knew they already had him, or we knew they knew where he was, and this has been brought out politically because Bush has trouble.
It's not just a Democrat partisan.
We have Ray LaHood, the representative Republican from Illinois, Bloomington, Illinois, And he said two weeks ago today, out of several newspapers, that they said, do you know something we don't know about Saddam?
Well, from the evidence we've got, I can go and stick my neck out and say that Saddam Hussein was not captured on a Saturday night, Sunday morning.
He'd been on ice, as it were, for at least weeks, maybe even months.
As you mentioned, ten days before the announcement, we've got Congressman LaHood in an interview with the local newspaper, the Pantagraph, saying that we're this close to catching him and saying that he knows something that everybody else doesn't.
And then today, we have the article out of the Associated Press where Jim McDonough says, quote, I don't know what, that it was definitely planned on this weekend, but I know they've been in contact with the people all along who knew basically where he was.
And he also said that they could have captured him a long time ago.
So we have both Democrat and Republican, one before the event, saying the same thing, that the sudden discovery of Hussein was scripted and that in actual fact he's been safely tucked away for an undetermined amount of time.
But on top of that, we've got NBC's Meet the Press reporting that Cheney and CIA Director George Tenet were engaged in a secret meeting a few hours before the footage was shown.
Now, we know that Bush was told Saturday night, but the question is, why were Cheney and the CIA having a meeting hours before, and were they directing the subsequent news conference?
Well, that's what the interim head of the provisional government said yesterday.
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Well, it's like claiming that Bin Laden was directing 9-1-1 from a hospital bed on kidney dialysis.
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Some are raising the possibility that Saddam was captured on the first day of the war.
We all remember the so-called decapitation strike, which apparently Saddam avoided by minutes and then... Well, they claim they killed him three times.
Yeah, and then one of his dubious body doubles appears on TV three hours later.
So, there is a chance that he was captured, treated for injuries and held ever since the war actually started, which of course means the whole war was scripted too.
Well, if it was a fake beard, it's Hollywood makeup artists.
Stay there, Paul Watson.
We're going to come back and take calls, get into Princess Diana and a bunch of government-sponsored terror news.
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I want to get into the latest evidence of the MI6 killing Diana, which we've covered here in the past, but more evidence now coming out mainstream news.
But on the Saddam situation, how hypocritical is it to have them attacking Congressman McDermott?
We're saying, oh, we all knew they already had him or knew who had him and we're going to roll him out soon.
When we have other congressmen who are Republicans saying, oh, yeah, you know, we're about to get him and you watch, we're about to have him.
Well, on top of that, we've got another aspect, which is the possibility that this staged capture could have been part of the deal that was agreed back in April, where Saddam was flown out of Baghdad by the Russians after brokering a deal with the Americans.
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Yes, I mean, the footage could have been filmed eight months ago, for all we know, as part of this agreement, and that ties into what we were discussing earlier about these congressmen saying that Saddam was captured before his capture was publicly announced, which would again explain why Saddam offered no resistance.
Then you have Saddam's sister coming out today and saying that he was drugged before the capture, which again suggests preordained Circumstances before.
This is probably a little off-topic, but I've only been a short-time listener.
You may have covered this in the past, but I was wondering if you've ever done any investigation on our income tax system and the fact that maybe it does... Yeah, I've had former IRS agents, Treasury agents.
I wouldn't say maybe, I mean the same financial interests that own England own America.
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Kenneth, when you heard the show the other day, I clearly stated that they claim unemployment's at 6%, but that even in the past, it's always conservatively double that, because it's whoever's gone off the rolls.
That is how they calculated, and the numbers I've gotten are 15 to 17%, depending on what alternative economist you're looking at.
I know on my street where I live, a lot of people are unemployed.
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And so, in some of the statistics, they'll count a person working two jobs as two people employed.
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Is that a middle-income neighborhood where you're living?
Well, they don't count people who are off the rolls.
I mean, they keep you on the roll six months, nine months, and then you're off the rolls.
And it's amazing.
Let's go ahead and talk to Dennis, in Kansas City.
Go ahead, you're on the air.
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Yes, I've met you before.
You know, you're right on about the glorification of the police state and all that.
What you probably hadn't noticed, if you noticed, I saw on C-SPAN, that Congress is trying to change the rules for overtime pay.
And especially in my line of work, like a union pipe fitter, I have to travel all over the country.
I depend on that overtime pay to pay for my expenses.
And by doing this, this is real sly and under the table, and this would not only affect me, it would affect policemen, firemen, all kinds of people, is that you would literally shut the country down or at least come to a crawl because nobody It would destroy all the incentive for working overtime.
So, I mean, I see what you're seeing now, because it's just like when I watch on TV.
I mean, you can actually see it unfolding and just these things that nobody catches, just like this, that they're secretly trying to do under the table.
And there's other things as well.
So far, Congress has put a stop to it, but Bush, the Bush administration, despite the majority of Congress saying no.
Well, with regard to the previous point, if you remember we had the article, they already announced that they're going to have Homeland Security armed guards in businesses, so people are basically going to be working at gunpoint.
I mean, with the Taiwan situation, I mean, The arming of China only got worse after Clinton left office, and that was reported by Insight Magazine, and so obviously, I mean, we've heard about seven articles about how Bush is basically following all the goals of the Communist Manifesto, the biggest expansion of federal government.
And on top of this, Rumsfeld's arming North Korea with nuclear reactors, but Saddam, he's the big threat.
anyone would expect him to uh... disassociate himself with them taiwan
And they're building them up to nuclear stalemate, and now they've got the Taepong Dong too, can hit any part of the U.S.
But the neocons won't talk about this.
They talk about the liberals all day and how Bush is fighting the liberals.
Bush is bringing in the whole agenda!
I mean, no one can look at this and not say that that's not the case.
We're going to go to more calls here in a moment.
We're all of those out there patiently holding, but Patriot Act 2, is what Ron Paul's billing it, with a new name, was signed by Bush on Saturday, but nobody's talking about that because they're talking about the Saddam diversion.
I mean, in this bill, Bush has basically reauthorized total information awareness.
We got the Associated Press reporting that it authorizes agencies to continue research on computerized terrorism surveillance suspended... Without warrants!
Yeah, so they're obviously talking about total information awareness.
Ron Paul stated that it appears we are witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.
Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led its supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret, and that's exactly what they do.
They take it one bite at a time.
With this Saddam thing going on, it's just a big fat distraction both for this Patriot 2 And the Ellen Mariani case, you'll notice whenever 9-1-1 gets hot again, they come out with a big fat distraction to divert everyone's attention.
Yeah, I mean, that was the thing that, oh, the dollar's going to rebound now in the back of this brilliant news, and, you know, it basically didn't happen, and it's gone down again today, I believe.
So, yeah, it's just Amazing the fact that they say that this is all going to happen, and it's just, yeah, it's a big distraction in the main.
Well, the thing about the Patriot Act is the people that are trying to repeal parts of it are mainly Republicans anyway, and yet they pay no attention to that particularly.
You know, people like Ron Paul.
So, I mean, that is a major issue to outline the fact that it's not a left-right issue on anything.
We've got people on both sides of the political equation speaking out on this.
We've got groups like Eagle Forum joining up with the ACLU, so... While Saddam was captured, stealth enactment of the Patriot Act II legislation While CNN and other media outlets are rejoicing because of the capture of Saddam Hussein, Bush again introduced new legislation last Saturday, which increased the federal powers to investigate and reduce the privacy rights of American citizens, H.R.
2417, Intelligence Authorization Agreement of 04, and there's the White House statement posted on PrisonPlanet.com, Bush signed it Saturday.
Comments of Ron Paul, congressman for Texas, on HR 2417.
It appears we're witnessing a stealth enactment of the enormously unpopular Patriot 2 legislation that was first leaked several months ago.
Perhaps the national outcry when a draft of the Patriot 2 Act was leaked has led his supporters to enact it one piece at a time in secret.
Whatever the case, this outrageous and unacceptable, I urge each of my colleagues to join me in rejecting this bill and its incredibly dangerous expansion of federal powers.
Now, here's the AP article from Saturday.
Bush signs bill extending FBI powers.
President Bush has signed legislation making it easier for FBI agents investigating terrorism to demand financial records from casinos, car dealerships, and other businesses.
Every business, folks.
No warrant.
We're included in a bill of authorization of intelligence programs.
Most of the details of the bill are secret, including the total cost of the program, which are established at about $40 billion.
That would be slightly more than Bush had requested.
Bush signed the bill Saturday at the White House announced, and it goes on to say it allows the FBI and other U.S.
authorities conducting intelligence work can demand financial records without seeking court approval.
Did you hear that, folks?
And there's Ron Paul.
Let's shift gears into Princess Diana, then into Massaraf and the fake bombing activities.
The Scotsman reports Diana's death linked to MI6 plot more than six years after the deaths of Diana and Prince of Wales and Dottie Alfayad.
The questions surrounding the Paris car crash in which they were killed continue to grip the public imagination.
Well yeah, there was an article in the BBC as well yesterday which basically confirmed the fact that Henri Paul, the driver of the car, was an MI6 informant and that's what previous MI6 agents have come out and said and now that's been confirmed by this.
Yeah and that's all come out as well and the fact that They used the blinding flash of light and some other high-tech jiggery-pokery to cause the driver to swerve, which again is how they formulated the plan to kill Slobodan Milosevic.
There's no buzz whatsoever, because it's always buried on page 28 or whatever, but I mean, that's the thing.
We had yet more evidence come out.
Not only did they carry out, you know, one of the biggest bombings in Ireland, which was the Omore bombing, and they had an MI5 agent cooking the bomb, and with the bomber at the time, when the bombing was being carried out, they surveilled the car from its origin right to the destination of the bombing.
Now we've got another report about how uh... british intelligence helped the paramilitaries
bomb dublin and monaghan back in uh... seventy four
so again i mean we've got a giant archive on that not only uh... mi-five
helping uh... the i.r.a. but also mi-six protecting all these top
Yeah, Michael Mearing, the CIA agent, did a really bad job and basically they had to sequest him away to a hospital because he was supposed to blow up an apartment and failed.
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Allie, thanks for holding her on the air with Alex Jones and our guest, Paul Watson.
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Hi.
One of your listeners a while ago seemed to think he would be able to just thumb his nose at the boss when he called overtime.
Well, I've got news for him.
The big corporations and the government doesn't really care how skilled or how efficient you are.
You're expendable.
And cost efficiency is not necessarily an object because generally the owners of these big corporations are spending are the same people who make money from printing more money.
Well yeah, I mean the fact is that the jobs are not only being shipped to India, they're
bringing Indians into the country to work the jobs for lower wages.
I mean, we've got the so-called Skilled Worker Program in this country, which does exactly that, making more of us unemployed.
And as you were saying earlier, Alex, I mean, even people you know are being asked to train these Indians to take over their own jobs where they get a temporary contract just to do that, and then they're booted out of the company.
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We've been talking a lot about the economy, which is just terrible, the listeners.
They care about a ballooning trade deficit, a plunging dollar, the expansion of NAFTA and GATT in the free trade area of the Americas.
Why, they said the troops in Iraq are getting a bonus.
They'll be kept warm by the capture of Saddam as their wives go on food stamps and CPS takes their children.
And how dare you say it's bad for Bush to hand Taiwan over to China, which is basically what he's done by arming them, not arming Taiwan, and breaking our 50-plus year treaty with them.
You're a communist if you're against communist China.
You're a communist if you're for the Second Amendment.
You're a liberal if you're for controlling our borders.
That's the new neocon paradigm.
And people are buying it hook, line, and sinker, though a lot of folks are starting to wake up.
But why are they destroying the middle class?
Why are they driving down the wages of doctors?
Why are they driving down the pay by two-thirds for engineers shipping the jobs to India?
It's about getting rid of the middle class, getting rid of any group that can challenge the elite.
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Allie in Oklahoma, finish up your comments and then we'll go on to other calls.
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Well, really, I'll You know, you must not watch enough TV.
Three years ago, Jiang Zemin said at the 50th anniversary of Mao, three years ago, and in Tiananmen Square, he said, capitalism is the ultimate form of communism.
Well, that's their capitalism, where it's a police state.
You've got six strongmen running the country, still the same secret police, still the gulags, but our media just doesn't talk about it.
Remember two years ago, and every year, Russia buys more slaves from North Korea?
Publicly, just buys trainloads, 30,000 at a pop, for the slave camps.
And the Russian guards wouldn't shoot them when they'd escape, so that's how it went public, all these people starving to death in forest labor camps, Paul.
And then they call Russia a democracy because they have elections, the recent elections in Russia, before which there was a nice, convenient terrorist attack, of course.
And the elections themselves were rife with ballot stuffing and all this sort of thing.
The media was only towing the party line of the party that Putin wanted to win.
Yeah, I mean, I still get emails from people who think that Putin's some kind of, you know, fighting the New World Order by calling for a different New World Order.
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Big Brother. Mainstream media. Government cover-ups.
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This is so important.
And we've been lied to on a hundred fronts concerning Iraq.
Saddam Hussein is a horrible thug, but when the media says, he's so evil, Saddam attacked Iran, which I know you've all heard, our government funded and ordered him to do it.
We put him in.
I hear him on the news going, he beat his way to power, a ruthless dictator.
Yes, we put him in, but people don't have memories.
So yes, he's bad.
What does that mean about our policies?
It's incredible.
Paul Watson, does that annoy you when you see him do that?
Yeah, I mean that article came out end of last year where it was in the New York Times where the CIA agent who was on the ground at the time said that he didn't gas the Kurds.
It was blowback and the Iranians were involved in it as well.
When our government the whole time was ordering him, running him, it's admitted!
I just, how do they get away with this?
I'll tell you, people are so ignorant, they don't know what the First Amendment is, they don't know where Iraq is, they don't know how many continents there are, they don't have any history, do they?
Well no, but they know how to buy an uncoolter action figure.
Fact is with Iraq, I mean, yeah, that's the outpouring that I've seen.
Complete government worship.
And it goes back to Orwell's 1984 where we forget who we were at war with.
We're now at war with someone else and just forget about the previous war against Iran when we were supporting Iraq.
The same process, and I mean they'll use it again when Saddam spills the beans on Syria after being tortured, which is what Harat's newspaper reported, that he's going to implicate Syria with weapons of mass destruction, and then we'll go in and take out Syria as well.
And they've got the nice new national draft, and when we're attacking North Korea and losing hundreds of thousands of troops with the new national draft, there'll be no discussion of Rumsfeld selling them the nuclear reactors.
Well that's it and there is a top globalist banking families and royal families And they manipulate the phony left-right spectrum, they get us through the dirty work in Iraq, they make the UN look like the good cop is against the war, and then energize the leftward-leaning world government, and then bypass any discussion of, we don't want a world government, now it's, what type of world government will it be?
The Globalists even write white papers up about how to present the world government with this bipolar left-right situation, when it really is a unipolar, one-pole, Paul Watson comments on what our caller from Denmark is saying.
They sit up on podiums, thank people for slaves, and then we all sit here and talk about how evil Saddam is.
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I have known about the One World Order since 1965 when I lived in California.
I learned at that time that Prescott Bush said it was going to take about... He said in 1933 that it would take about 65 years to get the One World Order in place for a takeover.
Now, I want to know where I can find that in writing so that my child will believe it.
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And what happened is that a few weeks before the attack, they had their mission changed from being a scramble-ready squadron to protect American airspace.
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On the morning of 9-11, they were decommissioned.
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We're saying he'd already been captured and that's what a lot of members of Congress... What I'm saying is, if it was me, I'd be saying, hey, don't shoot.
I mean, we've already gone over the fact that we don't think it's a body double.
But, I mean, the fallout from this is, I mean, will he blow the whistle on his former business partners at the trail?
I mean, you've got Milosevic in his trail almost every other day thing.
Oh, I'm being tortured to confess.
You know, it's all about a new world order.
They're putting me on trail.
So, if Saddam comes out with those sort of comments, then you can expect the media to hush them up immediately, and that's what... Yeah, you don't hear about Milosevic saying, it's a new world order, I've been tortured.
And by the way, Bill Clinton with his lies about mass graves.
I'm not saying Milosevic's a good guy, but compared to the Croats and the Muslims, Bin Laden working with the CIA to start the war, that's admitted congressional hearings by Republicans in 99.
Well, I think they have the guts, but they don't have the guns, because we've been completely disarmed.
So, I mean, that's why the main focus of our website is on America, because it's the last bastion of freedom, where people are armed, and a lot of people are still informed as to what's going on.
So, I mean, England is basically a completely spineless socialist cesspit, I'm afraid to say.
And that's been the case for many years, so my main focus is on saving America and saving the world via, you know, that route.
Well, I just thank you, Mr. Paul, for what you're doing, son.
You're really a brave man.
I just hope the American people start fighting, doing something, helping you all out.
Because if we don't fight, sir, we're going to perish.
We're going to perish.
It's better to die free than be a slave.
Thank you for what you're doing, Mr. Jones, and I'm really discouraged, but I hope they pass your tapes out there, and I hope to God that the people get some guts to start standing up to these people.
They've made government the God because they've tied it in with this false George Bush Christian ethic when George Bush is not a Christian and he's proposing all these laws which then butcher the Constitution like Patriot Act 2 which he just passed and which he called... And now they grab their business partner and nothing's said and Bin Laden's their admitted business partner.
We'll come back with our CIA analyst and a bunch of other key news.
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We're about to go to our guest, Ray McGovern, a 26-year senior analyst Uh, at the Central Intelligence Agency, personally advised Ronald Reagan, George Herbert Walker Bush, and others, and, uh, he's part of an organization that's trying to bring some sanity to all of this, and I found his, his, his research, his, his historical understanding, uh, to be very, very, uh, accurate from my research.
That's coming up here in a few minutes.
I've got quite a few questions for him, and I know we've got a bunch of callers on this subject of Saddam and the rest of it, so we'll get to you, too.
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Ray McGovern was going to join us yesterday.
He did briefly.
He had to go as part of an emergency meeting or something.
Something he had to take care of with a program he does for inner-city kids.
But he does join us today here for the next 25 minutes or so.
Mr. McGovern, just in a nutshell, A brief history of who Saddam really works for, what really happened in the 80s, what this capture means.
Of course, none of us are fans of Saddam, but what this really means and how can they allow him to be tried if he's going to blow the whistle on who's sold him the chemicals and biologicals.
Back in the 80s, of course, we had just escaped from the trauma of having all those U.S.
diplomats and others hold up in the U.S.
Embassy in Iran.
And so Iranians were our primary, quote, enemy, end quote, in those days, and certainly we didn't want any of the Iranians to be expanding their power still more.
And so Saddam Hussein was seen as a counterweight to that, and so he became A bad guy, but he became our bad guy, sort of like Noriega in Panama.
There's a difference between other guys, bad guys, and our bad guys, okay?
So we supported Saddam Hussein during his war with Iran to the point of exchanging very sensitive intelligence with him, which gave him the upper hand.
We also did all kinds of things in terms of allowing sensitive Sensitive materials to get to Iraq.
Those materials later criticized as being precursors to chemical and biological weapons.
Well, the 94 Senate report says anthrax, botulism, West Nile as well.
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That's exactly right.
And so it's quite hypocritical.
Since we knew that he was using nerve gas, for example, against the Iranians, In those years, all of a sudden we turn around after supporting him in that, after saying nothing about it essentially, then all of a sudden he becomes an imminent danger not only to his neighbors
And that's after his real capability has been blown to bits.
I mean, they could say he was dangerous in 90, but not after 91.
And I mean, I hear him on the news going, he attacked Iran.
He came to power in 79.
He's a vicious killer.
Didn't our government basically, well, back in 54, use him as a CIA assassin?
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Well, I'm told, I don't know this officially, but I'm told that our government did support his consolidation of power, and that seems pretty clear from the historical record.
But the whole thing is the background here, and it relates to your other question, Alex, when you question how we can possibly allow a free and unfettered trial of this fellow.
That's going to be a real problem for our administration, because if Saddam Hussein is allowed to say all the things he could say, it will be very damning to U.S.
policy going back into the 80s, and it will show that it's been a very two-faced policy.
Well, the Israelis at the Debka file, mainly Mossad folks, say he looked like he'd been held for weeks, if not months, and that he'd been worked over pretty bad.
And then we have Congressman McDermott saying that, and that he's attacked as partisan.
But then I have another congressman here, LaHood, Ray LaHood, on December 2nd, Yeah, I found LaHood's comments really intriguing.
something you don't know, we're about to give you Saddam.
So what do you think is really going on here?
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Yeah, I found LaHood's comments really intriguing.
And he sits on the intelligence committee in the Congress, and so he has access to some
of this information.
I don't have a definitive judgment on this, but it is intriguing indeed.
Well, how can they say that McDermott is an evil communist traitor, as the neocons are now saying, for saying something that Frank said in Cigar Aficionado in the December issue, the head of CENTCOM, saying something that LaHood said?
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Yeah.
Well, you know, this business of name-calling, when people call General Zinni, for example, who headed the CENTCOM troops, when they call him, A Marine General, highly decorated, when they call him a traitor of some kind, and now they call other people traitors.
I mean, that just shows the depths to which the discussion has degenerated.
Now, take Congressman, the one from Washington you just mentioned.
He was over there, you may recall, he was over there in the fall of 2002, okay?
And I remember George Stephanopoulos asking him live on his program, Congressman McDermott, do you think that the President would deceive the American people?
And Congressman McDermott smiled and he said, of course I do!
And George Stephanopoulos sort of gulped, and I could hear the, in the TV rooms in my rather affluent neighborhood, I could hear the gasps going up, like that!
And of course, then McDermott said, you know, Deceiving the American people is a bipartisan activity.
Think of how Lyndon Johnson deceived the American people.
And so don't be surprised.
Just be aware that any time a president decides to go to war, which Bush had already decided three months previous, any time a U.S.
president decides to go to war, Then you cannot really expect that you'll get the full story.
Well, look at all the lies we've seen about fake news articles posted by the Pentagon, signed by troops that never saw it, Jessica Lynch fables, Niger uranium deals that didn't exist, mobile weapons trucks they knew day one were British sold trucks were pumping up hot air balloons.
I mean, they knew all this, and how can we believe anything they say?
I've never seen lies at this level, and I cut my teeth Mr. McGovern, exposing Bill Clinton.
I have never seen a wall of lies.
Have you?
Like this?
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I have not.
And let me just add to that, Alex.
And I go back a ways.
I came on in government when John F. Kennedy was president.
So I saw LBJ and I saw Nixon and I saw all the rest of them.
There was a lot of duplicity and there were a lot of lies.
I saw you on a British interview saying compared to Scowcroft and Bush and the senior, the people running the White House now are quote, crazies.
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Yeah, well now that's a different, that phrase goes back to the 80s, but let me just tell you the difference between now and then with respect to the lies.
I have never seen such a Well orchestrated, the epitome of PR proficiency, campaign going for 18 months as they prepared for this war.
You see, the other lies, the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin, well that was sort of a spur of the moment opportunity as LBJ saw it.
I don't excuse that, but it's a different kind of conspiracy.
What we had over the last 18 months was a concerted campaign, extremely well planned, to deceive the representatives of the American people, namely our congressmen and senators.
They were all in the Pentagon or somewhere, but they were kept at a sort of innocuous middle level until Wolfowitz wrote that defense posture statement in early 92.
Somebody leaked that, it went to the Times, and what did it say?
It said all the things that we have now implemented.
It said, for example, that when we see a situation where we have a chance to assert our strength in an area where we can, a strategic area like Iraq that has a lot of oil, We damn well better do that, because that's our responsibility.
And that was repeated by the PENAC documents, and the neocons will say, it's never about oil when we have signed confessions from it.
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Exactly.
So, what I'm saying is here, that when that document came out, the Wolfowitz defense posture document, George Bush I was still in power.
He called his chief advisor, General Scowcroft, and Jim Baker, who was Secretary of State, and they discussed it.
What do you do about this?
How did this guy get on the loose?
You know, we're supposed to keep those people in their place.
Well, they decided the only thing to do is to disavow it and put it in the circular file, which they did.
And so, those of us who knew that story, when we saw what George Bush II started to do when he came into power here in Washington, And giving top jobs to Cheney.
Well, Cheney, of course, was elected, but Rumsfeld and Feith and Wolfowitz and those folks.
And we said, my God, the crazies are back.
And why would we call them the crazies?
Well, because that's how they were widely known in the 80s.
If somebody said, whoops, something have to do with the crazies, everyone knew precisely who those folks were.
And I submit to you, Alex, But if you look at the decisions that have been made with respect to Iraq over the last year or so, I mean, crazies is the only possible explanation.
Well, we've had Marine Corps generals go public, we've had admirals, we've had CIA people, we've even had Scowcroft.
But then they get called traitors by the media, and there is no so-called leftist media, and they claim, oh, the leftists are against the war.
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Well, Alex, I hope this doesn't happen to you, but I had an interviewer on an ABC affiliate here in Washington who had me on maybe seven or eight times.
There was another fellow in WOR up in New York that had me on twice.
Both of them got canned.
Both of them were told, we no longer need your services.
When people called up and said, what happened?
They said, well, the audience reaction wasn't all that good.
They purposefully, all over the country, censor calls now, Clear Channel and others do, where you can't even get on the air if you disagree.
And then people hear the shows like it's the First Amendment and there's a discussion going on.
It's not.
It's staged.
And it's very scary to see this happening.
Let's briefly, and then I'll take a few calls here, nerve gas.
On this show you talked about what really happened with the nerve gas, who really nerve gassed the Kurds, and you talked about the cyanide-based nerve gas of the Iranians.
You were there in the White House at the time.
What really happened?
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Well, you know, Alex, that's still not altogether clear.
Uh, one of my colleagues has written extensively suggesting that it was Iranian, uh, gas that was used there.
But, uh, I am no expert on this.
I have checked with many experts.
And most of the others feel that it was indeed the Iraqis that gassed the folks in Khalajpah, but that it was not an extenuating circumstance, certainly, but it was during the war, there was a pitched battle going on, and both sides were using nerve gas at the time, so it's not really Nothing is.
Well, last time you were on it, I read the articles about how when they tested the dead bodies, it was the Soviet variant of gas the Iranians were using.
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Yeah, I know, Alex, and I know I said that last time, but I've gone more deeply into it with more and more experts.
And understand, I'm not here defending Saddam Hussein.
He's a horrible thug.
But compared to Bush saying, Taiwan, you know, we're going to change our policy, or, you know, compared to giving reactors to North Korea, I just, you know, see this as an excuse to grab oil and sell weapons and to have a private cash machine for Dick Cheney and Halliburton.
Your comments on that?
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Well, it's also, and these are all true.
There's an overwriting rationale for this, though, and that rationale appears in the documents to which you referred, the PNAC documents.
For those of you who are listeners, just go on the web and type in, Project for a New American Century.
And the documents that will appear there are the ideological, the strategic justification for the policies that are now being implemented by the crazies.
The war against Iraq and so forth.
And you'll see in those documents the equivalent of Hitler's Mein Kampf.
Now, Mein Kampf was the strategic document that if anybody took it seriously, they could have seen what was happening.
And people have not taken very seriously the documents of the Project for a New American Century.
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I was talking to Ray McGovern during the break and we're not sure who used the nerve gas on who.
They've got army documents that say it was the Iranians.
They've got CIA that say it was Saddam.
The point is they're all a bunch of thugs over there killing each other.
We were backing Saddam.
It's very hypocritical now to go, oh look how evil he is.
America's cleaned him up for, you know, for everybody when we helped put this monster in power and backed up what he was doing.
We're going to try to jam a few calls in here.
For Ray McGovern, I really appreciate coming on the show.
Ray, and I know you can only speculate here, but using your analyst mind, do you think they'll assassinate Saddam?
Will he get a Lee Harvey, Oswald Jack Ruby type killing?
Or will he get a fast developing cancer?
Or will they torture him and roll him out?
Or will he make a deal and blow the whistle on Iran or Syria with false info?
What do you think is going to happen?
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Well Alex, it's a difficult situation for the administration because they need to get an international, objective, non-partisan presence in there as they deal with Saddam Hussein.
Unfortunately, the arrogance and the disrespect for the opinion of humankind that has been illustrated by this regime in Washington would suggest that they're not going to do that.
Now, if they don't do that, if they don't have somebody watching them, Then all the bets are off.
Number one, they will never let Saddam Hussein say all he knows about the U.S.-Iraqi relationship.
And number two, they will always disparage what he says if it doesn't accord with what they have said.
For example, the weapons of mass destruction.
Well, where are they?
Okay, where are they?
I've been accused of having my tongue in cheek when I said the first thing they should ask them is, where are the weapons of mass destruction?
Yeah, and you know, for example, one of those documents, the one that Alex just referred to, talks about the ability of our military has to be able to Uh, wage two wars, uh, at the same time, and also conduct what they call constabulatory, uh, duties.
In other words, be constables in the countries that we occupy.
Yeah, occupy countries in imperial... Yeah, actually, I'm familiar with that document a little bit, because I saw a PBS special dealing with that.
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