In a 2003 radio interview, Hudson Gibson, father of actor Mel Gibson, discusses his views on the
New World Order, globalism, world government, media control, and church infiltration. He believes
that mainstream media lies to the public, and the Iraq war is part of a globalist agenda. He also
talks about his son's experiences with media harassment for producing historically accurate films
like Braveheart and The Passion. Hudson Gibson emphasizes the importance of parenting and education
in instilling values in children, criticizing the corruption of religion by globalists, and urges
people to resist the New World Order's influence.
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We'll get into the staged war with Iraq and much, much more in the third hour.
In the second hour, and that's right now, I am honored to be joined by Hudson Gibson, and he's almost 85 years old.
He's been well aware of the New World Order for 50 years.
I've seen his son, Mel Gibson, on national news, on live shows, talk about how his father taught him about the New World Order.
And I always love to talk to folks who have been aware of the New World Order longer than most of us have been alive.
In many cases, longer than our parents have been alive.
And Hudson Gibson, of course, was a railroad worker.
He volunteered for World War II.
He came back from the war and worked on the railroad.
He then got into organic farming.
He then moved to Australia and now has come back to the United States and lives in Texas, my state, where I hail from.
He's going to be with us for the next 58 minutes.
Mr. Gibson, it's great to have you on the show today, sir.
Oh, no, it's a privilege to have you on because I want to know how you raised 11 children and kept them out of the clutches of the New World Order.
That right there is an incredible achievement in and of itself.
unidentified
Well, I just told them that you don't believe what you read in the papers.
You don't believe every newscast, radio or television.
Of course, I caught on to that newspaper deal when I was, uh, I had a job where I, in the middle of the day off, and I watched those Armie McCarthy hearings, if you recall.
And, uh, I watched him and, uh, was very careful about what I saw and what I heard.
And then I'd read the account in the next day's paper.
And the only thing even similar were the names of the people involved.
They just lied, they slanted, they biased, You know who the devil is doing this and why?
You know, Prescott was given the biggest fine up until that time, a million dollar fine, for trading with the Nazis, and running 53% of Nazi steel production through his outfit, and so we got the same thing today with George W. Bush, King George II.
We're talking to Hutton Gibson, and Mr. Gibson, we're going to break, we'll be right back in three minutes, okay?
2003, I'm Alex Jones, your host this broadcast is in defense of liberty, eternal resistance to tyranny.
We beg God for his guidance and help in this fight against the dehumanizing forces of the New World Order.
We are joined by 84 year old World War II volunteer veteran And of course, father of the famous actor and patriot Mel Gibson, who's well educated on the New World Order.
One of the few outspoken voices nationally and internationally against this system.
We're honored to have a man who has incredible knowledge of the New World Order.
The Greenland government collapsed yesterday because of a row about a phenomenon associated more commonly with the medieval period than the 21st century witchcraft.
So I guess, you know, you're talking about this infiltration.
In your study, how does skull and bones and all these other groups tie in to this destruction of the church in America?
unidentified
Well, they're all in on it.
As I say, the root of it is in Rome.
And they simply follow the lead.
Pretend they're under obedience to somebody who has proven that he's not a Pope.
First of all, you know, you've got to be a Catholic to be a Pope.
That's the first requirement.
And we've had four in a row now that have no possibility of satisfying that requirement.
Well, the current Pope, and I've got his statements, has said, I know a lot of conservative Catholic groups have criticized it vehemently, has said that we need a one world religion, that all the religions worship the same God.
That sounds like an anti-Christ doctrine to me, Mr... Exactly, that's what they've been working toward.
unidentified
They take the most numerous church, one with the most adherents, and infiltrate it.
They get over and dilute its doctrines and its worship.
The point where anybody can join it without a qualm of conscience.
Because they found out One World Atheism doesn't work, now they have to have a One World Religion.
And, uh, when you come down to it, we're going to have a One World Ruler.
And who's going to be the One World Ruler?
The odds are pretty good it's going to be another one of these antipopes.
Iraq's surrounded for 12 years, being bombed into submission.
They told Saddam to invade Kuwait.
He'd always followed his orders, attacking Iran, and with Turkey attacking the Kurds.
He was given the spray planes by the U.S.
government.
Senate reports admit this in 1994.
Alfonso D'Amato.
They left Saddam in power in 1991, so they had an excuse to encircle the country and commit genocide.
Now, today, what do you think about the war with Iraq?
What war?
What's that really all about?
unidentified
Well, it seems to be set.
We're going to war whether we want to or not.
Every time they go in and find nothing, they get madder because he must have hidden it better.
He's not all that bad.
He has the country there with the most tolerance for Christians in the whole Arab world.
And one of the things they did when they were bombing with these missiles and bombs that they could drop in your vest pocket, they bombed the only Catholic cathedral in all of the Arab world.
It's just abso... You're aware of the Hegelian dialectic of problem-reaction-solution, aren't you?
Yes.
Creating a crisis to offer a solution.
Can you speak to the Hegelian dialectic, Mr. Gibson?
unidentified
Well, it's... It's been put in practice by the communists for certain.
What we call a communist compromise, where they...
Uh, they'll come in and grab your house and lot, property, and then, uh, uh, they'll offer you your car back if you'll let them have the license plate.
A guy in New York who owned a, uh, auto glass store, he would go out and bust windshields at night so people would come to him in the morning and get him replaced.
So that's kind of a problem reaction solution system.
unidentified
About this business with the 5th Infantry in Iceland occupying the December 8th.
My brother's 1st Sergeant, he was there in the 10th Infantry Regiment and he was sitting beside his bunk and along comes the 1st Sergeant and throws a silver star on his bunk.
For what?
That's that German plane you shot down six weeks ago.
We're talking to Hudson Gibson, and he's obviously the father of Mel Gibson, and he's been fighting the New World Order, been aware of it for 50 years.
We'll get into a bunch of other issues after this quick break.
Stay right there, Mr. Gibson, okay?
We'll be right back.
Stay with us, folks.
unidentified
From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
Now, at the same time, though, I'm seeing a major renaissance, a major awakening, though it's not fast enough.
A big professor, the dean of the University of Oklahoma, was on the front page of the Daily Oklahoma yesterday, saying it's a, quote, new world order takeover.
He said, quote, a new Rome.
Is that encouraging?
unidentified
Yeah, very.
Depends on what side of the fence you're on, doesn't it?
No, I wouldn't think that was a great thing for our side that they are taking over.
But to control the present and the future, you've got to destroy history, don't you?
unidentified
You do, absolutely.
And that's another thing they did.
Among the things that they... In one archdiocese that I know of, and it certainly wasn't unique, All the priests were told to destroy everything in their own libraries, which they bought and paid for, some of them in the thousands of dollars, on their subject.
I know we've got a lot of callers here that would like to talk to Hutton Gibson.
And, you know, I'm impressed with folks that have known about the New World Order 50 years ago.
Hutton, I mean, was your big wake-up call when you saw You would watch actual hearings going on in Congress, and then read the newspaper and it was a 180 from what you actually saw take place.
Was that the big wake-up call?
When did you really learn about who was behind the New World Order and this move for a global system?
unidentified
Well, I knew a few things before that, but that was a fine illustration of what I'd already suspected for one thing and another.
For instance, This, uh, shipping of, uh, nuclear material to Russia during World War II.
Uh, we, uh, we knew about it out in the Pacific.
And, uh, when I got home, nobody had ever heard of it.
Now in your study of the New World Order, Would you agree that communism is a creation of the international bankers and the elite as a kind of a smokescreen for global empire to be set up?
Because the communists, according to Professor Carol Quigley at Georgetown admits, really worked for the bankers to help set up this global power structure, this polar world, which they're now merging together, the two sides.
You see America not reforming, But sliding towards tyranny, and Russia and China are the same as they always were, our government just tells us that they're good now.
What is this new world order?
I mean, it's certainly not just a communist system.
unidentified
No, the communist system was a method set up by an enemy.
I was talking to my uncle, who must have been almost 50 years ago, and He's a lawyer, and he's been watching the government for years, and he said, if it weren't for this red menace, this communist menace, I would favor tearing down the whole system and starting over.
Too many laws, too much interference, nothing is right anymore.
Can't get anything straight.
But, see, at that time, neither of us quite realized that that's what the communist menace was for.
They set this up and certainly the bankers financed it, well known who financed it, and they just maintained this so-called menace, which couldn't get out of its own way.
But we were supposed to give up our liberties so that we could fight This terrible menace.
We've got to give our rights up to fight Al-Qaeda while they leave the northern and southern borders wide open.
Then it turns out Al-Qaeda was CIA created.
It was the big New York banks and British banks that sent the money to Lenin in 1917.
That's publicly out there who shut up the Communists in power.
So it's the same story over and over again.
And I totally agree with your analysis I want to do something here, Hutton Gibson, because we air this quite often here on the show, and it really states why we have to fight evil, whether we're going to win or not.
Because it's the right thing to do, and living under tyranny isn't living at all.
So let's go ahead and play that clip, and this is somebody that Hutton will recognize.
And dying in your bed, many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies That they may take our lives, but they'll never take our freedom!
That's my last question for you, then we'll go to these calls.
I'm really honored to have you on the show today, and I appreciate you staying with us this hour.
I mentioned this to you last night and asked if it was okay to bring it up.
I know you came on to talk about the New World Order, but this all ties together.
Your son has made the best films of the last decade, the most patriotic, the most uplifting, Braveheart, The Patriot, and other films that really illustrate examples of tyranny where the general public can understand it.
We're all very thankful for that, very thankful for your education and guidance that helped produce this.
Uh, but your son was on the O'Reilly Factor and said that the media had been harassing you and that he was very angry about it and that he's getting harassment that he's never seen at this level before because he's making this historically accurate film, The Passion About Christ, that he's filming in Italy right now.
Do you have any comments or a response to that, sir?
unidentified
Well, you expect to get the, uh, the shaft when I'm up here doing something good.
There are just too many devil worshippers out there.
You know, it's maybe a phrase, but it is accurate.
Anybody doing anything good is going to be attacked by the establishment, and that's always a sign, you know, where their smoke is fire, that you're getting the job done.
And I'm very excited to hear that this production is taking place.
All right, folks, we're going to take calls now for Mr. Gibson, Hutton Gibson, and just have a question or a comment and then let him respond.
So I want to get a lot of calls in in the 20 minutes we've got left.
I'd like to just say I think he's doing a fine job and ask what both of you think about going after the state legislatures who send volunteers down to the borders.
We have to protect the borders or we'll lose it all anyway.
Okay, right now they're getting rid of the borders for a Pan-American Union.
In the polls, 90-plus percent of people in Arizona want the militia down there.
What do you think should be done about the destruction of our national sovereignty to the globalist, Mr. Gibson?
unidentified
Well, I've always been a great advocate of states' rights.
I've been swindled out of them, the federal government.
Not just here, but in other countries, too, as soon as you have a federal government, It infringes on all the state rights, which it was not given in the first place.
We get somebody we send up there to represent us, and he represents us maybe here and there, but a few of them have done properly, but most of them simply take their orders from the party whip.
They're not representing us, they're representing an oligarchy, a party.
And I want to make it clear that it's not just the Catholic Church, it's the Protestant Churches, it's all the major organizations, it's the NRA, it's every group we're supposed to be able to count on.
Every time I investigate them, they're run by top New World Order minions.
These Chapter 501c3 laws, I've always thought it was kind of baffling because a church is prohibited from engaging in any sort of meaningful political activism.
The First Amendment clearly states government stays out of churches.
Churches don't stay out of government.
unidentified
Yeah, but the way, of course, these laws are set up, churches are prohibited from engaging in any sort of meaningful political activism for being merely tax-exempt.
But then the two major political parties, Their sole purpose is to engage in political activism, not only are they tax-exempt, but they receive millions in taxpayer subsidies.
And I think that's a little baffling.
And then some people want nothing but entirely government-subsidized campaigns.
But first they created the reverse of that, where the government bosses the churches, and now they're going to have the government just take over the churches.
Yeah.
Hold on just a second.
That is textbook tyranny.
Hold over, Mark.
I'll let you finish up on the other side with our final segment, unless Mr. Gibson would like to stay over a little bit with us in the next hour.
We'll ask him during the break.
Our final segment to talk to Mark and Roger and Bradley and others.
We'll be right back.
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And we got a bunch of callers here, and Mr. Gibson, we were talking to Mark in Minnesota, we'll bring Mark back up, and Mr. Gibson back up.
Mark was talking about this takeover of the First Amendment.
Do you see any way to reverse this, Mr. Gibson?
unidentified
Well, as far as I can see, there's the method of expatriation and repatriation.
Finish up, Mark, with what you were saying real quick.
unidentified
Yeah, Father Malachi Martin, before he passed away, he wrote numerous books talking about Satanism inside the Vatican and the Vatican's complicity in the New World Order.
And I was just wondering if Mr. Gibson has read any of his work and what he had to say about Father Malachi.
We have the Father of Mel Gibson, Hutton Gibson, an expert on the New World Order.
I've been very impressed by his detailed knowledge, because I've been studying it for a decade, been on the air for eight years, and his knowledge is probably greater than mine on the history itself, whereas I study the propaganda, the manipulation, the legislation day-to-day.
It is really an honor to have him on the show, talking about, you know, parenting, history, the New World Order, and taking your calls, talking about the infiltration of the Church, How the globalists are destroying our society.
And a very interesting point was brought up.
Father Malachi Martin wrote the keys to this blood in other books that I've read.
And only talked about some of the New World Order system.
And in the last segment, Hudson Gibson said that he thought that he was putting out some misinformation, one of their agents.
They do that a lot.
They mix a little bit of truth, a lot of lie, or a little bit of lie with a lot of truth, as a poison pill.
Why would you say that?
I mean, give us your summation of what the New World Order really is, and how it's really run, compared to what Malachi Martin had to say, Mr. Gibson.
unidentified
Well, how it operates in the church is to, uh, empty...
is change definitions on everything.
Don't...
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They don't know what they're talking about, and they want to make sure you don't know what they're talking about.
So every time you turn around, a word means something else again.
And before my one and only question, I just got to say this is such a superb interview, and I've got a slew of questions for the future.
So I hope you two will conspire, make this on a regular basis, frequently.
And Mr. Gibson, I wanted to ask, on the movie biz now, I don't know, I don't follow the leftist liberals and the film critics, etc., but certainly your son's work is popular with us average Joes, and of course they can't quite say they hate Braveheart, etc., even though it's anathema.
Well, even though these terrific movies are anathema to everything they stand for.
And I guess they just... I just wonder what your read is on the nature and the effectiveness of the lefties' attacks on your son, and if you care to expand on that.
Well, absolutely, and it shows that people want good shows.
They want things that inspire and buoy liberty and freedom and love of God and country.
And it shows that people don't really want what Hollywood is force-feeding us.
Would you agree with that statement?
unidentified
Well, they have their choice, haven't they?
If they don't want to go and watch the nonsense, then they do go and watch the good stuff.
It indicates that we are using our heads.
Of course, they appeal a great deal to people that are extremely young, and in these days, young equals uneducated because of the collapse of our school system.
They want to enslave you and your family, ladies and gentlemen.
It's human history.
It's always happened since the beginning.
And I've always been impressed when I've seen Mel Gibson on national television, he always, when it's live, talks about the New World Order and fighting against the tyranny.
And now we know why, because his father has been an expert, has been studying the New World Order for decades, and knows his history well to the point that he won the big championship Jeopardy in 1968 before they moved to Australia.
Knows his history, and I guess those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
And a famous statesman said that.
It is very important to know history, because if you don't know history, you don't know what's happening today.
You know, that's really the point of all of this, is not knowing what good is, not knowing what evil is.
You have no definition, so you have no rudder.
You have no compass.
You don't know where you're going.
Take Pat Robertson two years ago, Mr. Gibson.
The big, you know, leader here in America, the big Christian leader.
It's not just the Catholics, it's the Protestants.
He said on CNN, China's doing what it has to do, this is a quote, with forced abortion and infanticide.
And then his clarification was even worse.
He said, well, they do need aggressive Planned Parenthood.
This is pure evil, 50 million abortions.
Bush won't even ban partial birth abortion.
You watch, he's not going to ban it, folks.
And I'll be glad if I'm wrong, but he's been blocking people from doing that.
Went after Trent Lott when he tried to bring that up with that story.
And then I had so-called Christians email and call me and go, you shouldn't attack Pat Robertson like he was the Protestant Pope or something.
How dare you do this?
When he's saying, because he wants his TV network in China, that China is doing what it has to do.
Mr. Gibson, how can people call themselves Christians but support forced abortion and infanticide?
How do they do that?
unidentified
They don't.
It's not possible to be a Christian and support abortion.
Yeah, well, I've got the clip, and I've got his CBN website statement, where he made, I mean, I, I'm, and I got calls, people saying, I'm going to try to get you off the radio here locally, because you talk bad about Pat Robertson.
What about those babies?
Who's going to stand up for them?
unidentified
You know, one way, it's a very short-sighted thing.
Look how much public debt is on everyone as soon as he's born.
And they're killing off half the people that are going to pay the taxes eventually.
Well, you had ten children and adopted one, and I've looked at the national statistics.
There are more people wanting to adopt good middle-class families More, just a little bit, the number's a little bit higher of people that want to adopt for how many abortions they have.
People have to go to the third world to get adopted children.
So, and take partial birth abortion.
That baby can be adopted.
That baby is viable outside the womb.
Why kill it?
But they won't even get rid of that!
What does that say about George Bush?
unidentified
Well, we have to say he was one heck of a hypocrite.
A lot of them are starting to wake up, Mr. Gibson.
And so, we're fighting for the minds, the hearts, the souls out there.
We can win this fight, especially because of the folks that have been there for 50-plus years, like yourself, fighting this New World Order and educating others.
And the people you've educated, like your son, are now out there educating others with films like The Patriot and Braveheart and others.
I would just say this quickly, and then we'll take some calls, that I have had incredible success. I've done 600 radio interviews
plus in the last year and a half, and I've probably had 50-60 calls that disagreed and several thousand that agreed.
So I'm seeing a major awakening.
Whereas eight years ago on this show, I could load the phones with people that disagreed with me. Now you can't
find them.
So I do think there's a major shift. Is that because the New World Order is so out in the open now that they can't
I'm a Catholic that's been through a mines group and I figured out that the Reds are the Redcoats and they're behind the destruction of our church.
And I believe in Veronica Lucan, which has never been checked out by the church, and Bayside Prophecies, and also I believe that we're in, Sister Faustina, we are in the Divine Mercy right now.
And I hate this damnation of all the Jesuits.
There was Father John D. Smet, Bishop Frederick Berga, who Berga County was named after, Father Pierre Marquette, who Marquette County was named after.
Mr. Gibson, would you say the entire Catholic Church, and I would say the Protestant leaders as well, are servants of the New World Order at this point across the board?
I want to thank you, Hutton Gibson, for joining us, and I want to thank you for all your fine work, and I hope in a few months' time we can have you back up on the show at another date.
Hutton, thank you again for joining us from your home in Texas, and be sure to say hi to all your great children, especially Mel for his fine work, and God bless.
