Dr. Philip Nietzsche discusses his work with assisted suicide machines and advocacy for euthanasia
legislation on The Alex Jones Show. He argues that giving people options can prevent desperate
actions, prolong life by allowing a peaceful death in the face of severe suffering. Some callers
express concern about government involvement and potential abuse of bioethics boards. Dr. Nietzsche
defends his position by highlighting examples from different countries where various policies on
euthanasia are in place. The conversation touches on socialized medicine, insurance company profits,
and organ harvesting fears. 1) What is the main topic discussed in this transcript? 2) What are
some of the concerns raised by callers about the potential issues with euthanasia legislation? 3)
How does Dr. Nietzsche respond to these concerns?
Well, I would think that a bottle of carbon monoxide and a gas mask with a feeder tube to it would be sufficient.
I'm a little worried about your design here saying it's just in the nostrils because somebody will open their mouth and then you might just brain damage them.
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No, well, there's a few issues here.
I mean, it's very hard to get hold of cylinders of carbon monoxide.
They're difficult to obtain for a assortment of reasons.
So the generator actually makes the gas.
It is true that we have it delivered through, as you say, a nasal tube, as opposed to a face mask.
But, I mean, two or three breaths of pure carbon monoxide delivered this way causes the death of a patient.
So, it's not as if it's easily dislodged, and it's not as if one is likely to, in some way, during some protracted process, dislodge the tube.
Alright folks, we're talking to Dr. Philip Neitchie, and he's got his assisted suicide machine that was confiscated
by the Australian government when he flew out to San Diego last week,
and he gave his talk at the conference this weekend, over the weekend.
Dr. Nietzsche, I don't think it's progressive and loving and compassionate to have the government, to have doctors involved in suicide Certainly people should be given whatever type of painkillers they need.
But I see the government moving.
I don't know if you're aware of the cases.
Have you ever heard of Wesley Smith and the articles he's written for the Wall Street Journal about how they've already got these bioethics boards where they're not going to give people care?
If they don't think that their quality of life is good enough to try to take care of them, it's this whole movement I'm concerned about.
Where do you see yourself?
How would you define the work you do?
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I'm certainly well aware of Wesley's contribution to the debate, and disappointing it is too.
I see that it's a caring and compassionate thing to give people options and to give people choice.
And if you don't give people options and you don't give them choice, you see the sorts of things that are happening in your society and ours right now.
The commonest way the over 75 end their lives in Australia now is by hanging.
A grim and grotesque death.
And to do nothing is to leave that situation in place.
When you actually engage with people, when you actually give them choice and give them options, people Perhaps paradoxically, live longer.
When they've got choices and they know that they can have a peaceful death in the face of severe suffering, they're more inclined to let the disease process take its place.
If you deny them that choice and tell them that all that they will get given is better and better pain relief, when pain is often not the issue, then you find that people do desperate things.
Well, I saw in the reports of a lot of the people that Kavorkian killed and others, and these are confirmed reports, some of them weren't even physically ill, they were just nut cases.
And I mean, what about killing people that are mentally ill?
I mean, if somebody shows up and says, I'm dying, I'm in pain, kill me, and then, you know, you sell them the machine.
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I mean, this is a... Well, we don't sell the machines.
People join our organization, and as members of our organization, and they've been members for quite a while, over a year, in fact, and then they've attended workshops.
Then they might get access to such devices and such machines, but it's not as though they're available on the street corner.
We say basically that people that are...
Suffering from psychiatric illness and what have you that you've just indicated are not people who are going to get access to these things.
But I mean, look, we're doing what we can in the light of no decent legislation.
There's no indication that politicians of our country, or for that matter your country, are planning to introduce progressive legislation such as we saw in the Northern Territory and such as you now have in Oregon.
And if that were the case, no one would be running around developing such machines.
It's in the light of politicians Well, Denver, Colorado hospitals said a few months ago that they're not going to defibrillate people, even though their brains are still alive.
I mean, that's scary.
I'm worried about the bioethics move that supports the kind of stuff you're doing, Dr. Nietzsche.
I'm worried about states, you know, in a kind of soylent green type mode.
I mean, some people in some of the Scandinavian nations are now wearing little toe rings that say, don't kill me, and carrying cards in the backs of their pockets that say that.
We're the states moving in to force this on people.
In fact, you say you're aware of Wesley Smith.
I mean, he names the names of people that have been begging for water, begging for food, who've been paralyzed from the neck down, who've been denied it.
Are you aware of those cases?
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I'm well aware of Wesley's misinformation.
He does this on a global scale.
We occasionally are afflicted by the visits of Wesley in Australia, and he has a profession and a business out of pushing this sort of misinformation.
Well, I know that my grandfathers didn't take that way out, and I know that other members of my family didn't, and one of my grandfathers... Would you condemn them if they did?
Well, people just didn't do this in the past.
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Well, they do it now, and do we condemn them, is the question.
My point is, is that the government worldwide, and you can say that's not true, I've seen the evidence that the government's pushing where they decide.
You know, it's like China.
Well, it's a woman's choice to have an abortion, yeah, but the government comes in and does it.
I'm talking about this whole eugenics move.
Doctor, we've got some callers here for you, and I want to give out your website or other information.
You don't sell them at the local department stores.
No.
Um, the other thing that I have, uh, I've had in a past experience to want to die myself, but then turn around the next day and was glad I wasn't dead.
And then the question that I really have is, have you investigated the insurance, the life insurance?
Most of these policies won't pay for suicide.
Yes, I'm not totally familiar with the situation in the US.
In Australia, once the 13-month period is up, life insurance does pay out on cases of insurance, and that's certainly the case in the UK too.
Look, I couldn't comment on the situation in America.
My understanding was that suicide is certainly no preclusion to life insurance after the period of 13 months, which is a normal time.
And this is a debate that has to happen, folks, because it's going on worldwide, and I'm here to tell you government, especially in Northern Europe, is enthusiastically behind it, and people are there having to carry cards around their wallets saying, don't kill me.
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Can I comment on that point?
I mean, This is one of these stories which is taken off and swept and publicised by people like Wesley Smith, that there are people carrying cards.
Yeah, there are some people carrying cards, but there's a whole lot more people carrying cards saying, I want choice.
And it's true that in Holland and in Belgium they have that choice, but they don't have it in France or in Germany.
They don't have it in England, so it's not exactly as if it's a groundswell, again, of change happening over there.
I was shocked whenever I mentioned what Wesley Smith and others were saying, and you said, well, that's his opinion, or what he's saying, or disinformation, or whatever.
I said, wait a minute, the Wall Street Journal isn't going to let him name doctors, name hospitals, name names of people, because I'm in radio.
I can't get up here and say something that is blatantly not true, because we'll get sued.
I have to be careful.
And Wesley Smith has documented what he has to say meticulously, and it's been in major papers around the country.
They don't just let him write this.
And then you said, well, I think it's bad for him to show examples.
We need to talk about it.
I didn't say that.
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I didn't say there was anything bad with him showing examples, and I don't even dispute his examples.
What I'm saying is that there are equal examples of the converse, where people are being prolonged, they're having their lives extended when they don't want it, they're being forced not to have options, they're being told that they can't have the drugs they want to end their life.
Now we can quote the doctors, we can quote the patients, and we can quote the hospitals.
Nothing wrong with Wesley doing that, but let's be fair about this and say that this is not the answer, simply to quote one side.
Millions of people heard what you said 15 minutes ago.
And I'm not trying to pick a fight with you, Dr. Philip Neji.
I'm trying to understand.
Did I mishear you then?
Because you said, I said, he gives all these examples, they wouldn't let him do this, because of liability, if these examples were not accurate and true and had been checked out by the newspapers, and you said, well, you know, I don't think, you know, we should give examples, I think it's bad what he's doing, we need to look at the theory.
Now that's almost an exact quote, because I've got a good memory here, and it was just 15 minutes ago.
Are you saying you didn't see that?
Explain to me what you're saying.
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Look here, I'm not going to go down that track, and I'm not going to get sucked into that sort of argument.
I'm saying to you that examples are important, but they're not the end of the story.
That theory is what it's all about, and examples are as many as people want to produce, and we can give just the same number of examples.
Well, how do you feel about all the cures for cancer that are censored and the fact
that the government's pumping out these genocide programs with all their medical experiments?
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Well, I don't see much evidence that they're pumping out their enthusiasm towards helping people, giving people the choices about ending their life.
But, I mean, obviously there are better cancer treatments available now, and there are better treatments for HIV and maybe AIDS and maybe Your mother-in-law would have benefited had she stayed alive long enough to develop or to experience some of these better treatments.
Well, we know that mycoplasma, the main symptom of AIDS, is a pentagon bioweapon and a Gulf War illness that all the troops in Desert Storm 1 got is genetically spliced with the AIDS virus to make the bacteria more deadly.
I was going to say that insurance companies would probably go along with this because if you had a protracted disease that lasted for a long time, the insurance company would probably pay off or pay somebody to give you euthanasia to keep from having to put out all your medical bills.
But I want to ask the doctor, does he believe in the Lord Jesus Christ?
Yes, look, it's a simple question, Rose.
It's a fair enough one.
No, I don't.
I have to confess, I'm an atheist.
Well, I tell you, it's a shame and disgrace with a doctor having the ability to cure people that you would go the way you're going and play God within yourself.
Well, I don't see it as playing God, giving people choice.
Well, God gives life and God takes life, and I don't think people, it's the mind-numbed robots running around here that people can brainwash so easily.
Thank you, Alex.
Look, that's a very valid position, Rose, and I don't argue with you, I just have a different one.
Well, Dr. Nietzsche, look, What about this euthanasia being institutionalized for the general public with the elites getting access to the real developments in science.
There's a lot of evidence showing that they're suppressing some of the real live extension technologies.
And then kind of having like a Logan's Run type society.
Couldn't this put a damper on newer medical developments by making a large area of the market of healthcare becoming euthanasia?
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Yeah, look, it is a worry.
I mean, I can see the line you're putting here and I think we have to be pretty aware of it.
I mean, elites in society that get access to the best new treatments and the rest who don't is a real concern.
I mean, I suppose I think that what we've got right now...
Is that the elites in society get access to the drugs that can give them a peaceful death.
I mean I can get them because I'm part of an elite and you might be able to get them but most people out there can't go out and get the best drug to give you a peaceful death because they're not part of that elite.
The good thing about legislation such as we see in countries like Holland is that it broadens it out for the whole community to have choice and so it's an equitable and just change that we could benefit from.
I mean, you admit some of them have the cards in their back pocket saying, don't kill me.
If everything's so perfect, why would they have those cards in their back pocket?
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Well, I guess, of course, some people have got those cards, but I think there's an awful lot of people that have got cards in their pocket saying, I want choice.
I mean, you can't just drag out a small example and say that that proves anything.
Well, I mean, we've had a 60-minute special about five years ago in this country, where they admit that hospitals could revive you, you're still alive, but they want your organs, so oops, you don't get the care.
It's a very dangerous, slippery slope, doctor.
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Well, I mean, that's your position there, but I mean, it's not my position, and all I can tell you in this interview is that's not what I think.
Scott in Florida, you're on the air with Dr. Philip Nietzsche from Australia here in the United States right now.
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How you doing, Dr. Nietzsche?
Hello, Scott.
I'm for a choice to have a right to die, because I've seen other people in a lot of pain.
One thing that scares me about this is before Clinton was elected him and his wife trying to push socialized medicine, which I believe one day will come about with this new surgeon they have in the House majority talking now.
I mean, I see the medical rising on the road.
What I'm scared of is to save money that they're going to put us to sleep without a choice.
I just... Well, I mean, the Denver Post already reported that.
Six area hospitals, and we're on right now in Denver.
You read this, folks there in Colorado, will not deprivulate you now.
Your brain's still alive.
I mean, most people I know have really bad heart attacks.
Their heart stops, they get them started, they live another 25 years.
This is dangerous, and just quietly, while the government says they're against euthanasia, they're really setting it up to the bioethics boards.
How do you respond to that, Dr. Nietzsche?
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Well, look, this is an assertion and I don't see evidence of that.
So, I mean, it's your particular position.
I find quite the contrary.
I find that there's no great groundswell towards this.
We find we have to battle to get the most basic human choices and human rights established in medical environments.
People typically don't have that choice.
There's no enthusiasm to give them that choice, certainly not in a legal sense.
People get it usually through the back door, a little bit like abortion was 25 years ago in our country, where Where you didn't get an abortion unless you were very wealthy or very well connected.
Now, of course, in our country, at least, abortion is available to all if they want it.
