Alex Jones and Congressman-elect Rahul Rahalva discuss the issue of armed civilian patrols along
Arizona's border with Mexico, raising concerns over safety and legality of militia groups formed due
to frustration at the inability of U.S. border agents to slow illegal immigration from Mexico. While
both agree on the need for a comprehensive approach to migration and immigration, they differ on how
to resolve the situation. Congressman-elect Rahalva calls for federal intervention and a federal
role, while Jones argues that picking up arms will not solve the problem and that due process and
civil rights are federal issues. The discussion also touches upon concerns over Mexican and Canadian
troops potentially patrolling America, and whether conspiracy theories can be absurd or valid based
on documented evidence.
Welcome ladies and gentlemen to another hour of this live Monday edition of the Alex Jones Show.
Already the 25th of November, 2002.
We're joined by Rahul Rahalva, and he is a congressman-elect.
Here's the headline.
Arizona leaders at the state and federal level are calling for investigators, investigations into armed civilian patrols along the state's border with Mexico.
At issue is the safety of the people on the border.
And the legality of the so-called militia groups formed out of frustration at the inability of the U.S.
border agents to slow illegal immigration from Mexico.
Now, millions a year, just right there in Cochise County, we've had the newspaper editor on who called for the militia to be formed.
Last week, we covered the Arizona Republic news reports, and we're now joined by Congressman Grill Halva.
Congressman, thank you for coming on the show today to talk about your concerns.
So, exactly what's happening and you're quoted here saying you're very concerned about this.
I think the rhetoric you're hearing from some of the leaders of these groups is very dangerous to the overall security of the region.
You said the potential for violence is escalating and I think the whole situation has to be investigated.
unidentified
Yeah, those were the comments and I think it's It's uh... you know the whole border region is is uh... is a national problem and and uh... you know that
uh... an agreement that the the policy in place to fail whatever perspective
you take it it it has failed
and the consequence of that failure is either people dying in the desert
or the other uh...
consequence that we're seeing now is that is a called armed with a call to
militia to patrol uh...
and uh... have civilian groups doing that and i think that is the
a dangerous turn in the long run and and and just aggravate the crisis in the short term
That's why the discussions have to be bi-national.
If those behaviors that you're illustrating to me are indeed true, that still begs the question, should then our civilian side and the American side take up that same kind of behavior?
We're talking to Congressman Raul Grijalva, and he has just been elected there as a new congressman from that area of Arizona.
look at that you say it's an obvious problem
but here's the headline bush to push for amnesty blanket amnesty we know the
corporations want the cheap labor we know that i i i want the constituency
and uh...
they tried in the media to make this a racial issue i don't care what color you
are we got four hundred million people in latin america another
ten to twenty million birth a year
they're all coming this way and we've got uh... six
plus billion people outside the western world they're all coming this way
and we got to do something now i mean
but i don't i don't want to live in calcutta
or something and i live in texas and and and i know it's as bad as arizona
uh... i mean it's like the power of battle I can't talk to half the people on the street.
They can't talk to me.
The cops are out pushing all the illegals around.
Good training for them, for the police state.
This is bad all the way around.
I mean, how many illegals do we have to take here?
unidentified
I don't think that's the issue.
The issue is that The issue that you're specifically asking about, the whole policy of migration and immigration, and what we're doing about it, has been a neglected issue in the Southwest and all over this country.
It's not just happening here, it happens... But it's not neglected, it's a policy to leave the border wide open.
How come they say, give up your right to homeland security?
unidentified
Let's examine for a second the policy that's in place now.
The policy of containment, the policy of sealing the border, the policy of gatekeeper, the policy of putting up walls, Now, if that deterrent that was seen as the way to do it, and if we follow your logic to seal that border, has that worked?
No, it has not worked.
It's exasperated the problem.
People are dying in the desert, and you have a call for arms on the part of American civilians.
That is not solving the issue.
The issue is much more complex and needs a much broader, comprehensive approach to it, and we're not doing that.
The ball has been dropped at many levels.
And one of the levels that's been dropped is at the national level with this Congress.
And now, belatedly, this administration is beginning to understand that if we don't deal with this problem, this problem is just going to get worse and worse.
Yeah, but the way that you and Vicente Fox, as I'm reading some of your other quotes from your other story, is to give more amnesty, which will only take another 20 million people up here and our infrastructure can't... This is legalizing a reality.
Let the whole 400 million just come right on up here with all the police state and the way of life down there.
And I've been to Mexico many times and that is not the type of government I want for this country.
Now I'll agree with you.
It's a reality that our government is becoming as tyrannical as the Mexican government.
Or the Venezuelan government, or the Chilean government, and I'm really freaked out about it.
I have to tell you, I mean, I'm so worried about America, I might move down to Costa Rica.
It's not that I don't want to be around Latin people, it's that I don't want to be around a government that has two tiers in society, and, I mean, it's going to destroy our wages, destroy our infrastructure, to have this $400 million coming this way.
unidentified
Well, I think the number's exaggerated, sir.
With all due respect, there's not $400 million coming this way.
I think the issue of legalization, the issue of unification of families, the issue of the guest worker program and temporary workers are all issues that are on the table because there is no other way to deal with this issue other than to accept the reality.
So, I'm just showing how ultra-out-of-control, uh, you know, Bush just got one of the most draconian gun control bills ever seen passed through the House.
I mean, you'll probably agree with that legislation.
Do you agree with that legislation?
unidentified
I just agree with the Brady Bill, and I agree with background checks, and I agree that gun shows should require the same background checks.
Larry, you're on the air with our guest who doesn't want the citizens down there trying to protect their property.
Go ahead, Larry.
You're on the air with the Congressman.
unidentified
Hi, Raul.
You know, one of the things that came up that I'd like to see is I'd like to see the Assets of the Mexican government in the United States frozen and then distributed to all the victims, criminal victims, by the Mexican government, you know, so that we see our hospitals funded.
You know, we see all the people that have been hurt and all the damage that these illegals are causing, you know, paid for by the Mexican government.
I wonder if you could do that in Congress and see too that it gets done.
The other thing, American people here in Tucson, they know about La Raza and the Hazardland.
And they know that the Mexican government is encouraging the illegals to basically push out the Americans so that they can get the land back to Mexico.
I've been to some of these meetings and aired some of the tapes.
And the president beforehand said this is all one big region, one country.
And Oslon and this Mecha thing they call for, do you believe Texas and California and all this are part of a mythical kingdom of crystal pyramids controlled by the Aztecs?
unidentified
No, I don't.
But the issue here is that, you know, I don't think this issue needs to be dominated by the kind of stereotyping and prejudices that the one caller did and some of the comments that you've made.
We're talking to a congressman right now, Rahul Rahalvab, from there in Arizona.
Rahul, look, you try to play that race card.
I appreciate you joining us.
You've got courage to do that.
A lot of congressmen don't like doing talk shows.
I'm sitting here.
My wife speaks Spanish.
She speaks French as well as several other languages.
and she lived in spain for four years so i can hear what uh...
what mexicans are saying
i don't know it seems to be here in texas at least like a racial
uh... blitzkrieg or laban's prowl or something and i i i i see the
the uh... downtown a mexican food restaurant uh... picture of an aztec priest cutting a white person's
heart out I can send you links to Metro websites where it's got M16s and flyers that have been handed out.
It's been in the national news.
You know, push out the gringos.
I've got video of it.
So, I think a lot of people are getting involved in this racially.
People who never thought of themselves racially are... I mean, certainly there are white supremacists, there are black supremacists, there are Hispanic supremacists.
Are you saying there isn't a movement in Metro that calls for that?
unidentified
No, my familiarity with what MECHA is doing, and has done, is they talk about political empowerment, they talk about educational achievement, they talk about history, they talk about identity, they talk about diversity.
I consider all those things to be legitimate points.
I thought it was, uh, the Indians of this country are completely different from the Aztecs that were horrible, bloodthirsty Indians that sacrificed people and grabbed up and killed other Indian populations.
I don't think they were very well loved by the Indians.
So you, were you a member of Mecha in college?
unidentified
Yeah, when I was at the University of Arizona I was.
I know that when Tony Sanchez ran for governor, there was a lot of racial politicking, and I think that's what lost him the election.
I'm really concerned about this.
So, you think it's bad to have citizens... What about the patrols on their own ranches?
You think it's bad for folks to arrest people on their own property?
I mean, I can do that in my own home or in my backyard at night.
They shouldn't be able to do it on their own ranches?
unidentified
Yeah, the issue of protecting your private property.
But I think the issue has gone way beyond there when you are having a national call-to-arm And inviting people from throughout the country to come into the region and patrol and to be armed and to serve as a civilian patrol and a civilian militia.
That's gone way beyond the categorization of simply protecting one's property.
Well certainly, you know Cochise is one of the biggest areas in the country where they're pouring across.
unidentified
The whole region along the southwest is an area in which, you know, we have a region here in the part of my district where 170 people have died in the desert.
There's documented stuff on these militias as well that you don't highlight.
The documented stuff of their meetings where the whole tone is racist, where the whole tone is white supremacist tone, where things Uh, Nazi literature is handed out.
