In this conversation between Alex Jones and Joe Matthews, they discuss the issue of missing
children from state custody. Joe promotes his company's DNA kit for families to maintain samples at
home for medical reasons or in case a child goes missing. However, Alex expresses skepticism towards
government involvement and cites instances where authorities have behaved criminally. The
conversation becomes heated as they exchange perspectives and examples, highlighting the broader
issue of mistrust between citizens and authorities."
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Yesterday I read a New Jersey Herald article, DNA legacy still water first in the country to identify pupils through genetic fingerprinting.
And the article goes on to say, peoples were brought into the school cafeteria one class at a time, had their DNA collected by a patrolman, Tom Cicetti, who took two swabs of each people's mouth.
There were a few complaints from the peoples who seemed eager for their turn to be swabbed.
It wasn't bad, said one first grader.
Some kids actually liked it.
A police officer said, it tickles so a lot of kids start laughing.
Now they started drug testing about 10 years ago in more conservative areas of the country where people were foolishly brought into it just for football players or if you wanted to park in the parking lot or a privilege or being banned.
Now it's universal they're going to test for nicotine.
The parents store them, or the school stores them.
Now it's DNA.
Have you heard about Colorado's going to have federal checkpoints taking hair forcibly?
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That came out a few days ago.
No, I'm not aware of that.
But, you know, there's a problem with just, like, a parent taking, like, a lock of hair from their child, because there's two things that affect DNA negatively.
And one is bacteria, and the other is the sunlight.
So, by just taking a locker here, over a period of time, you're not going to be able to extract the DNA.
Instead, you take the soft, tender mucous membrane tissue out of the side of the cheek.
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Right, by rubbing it for like five seconds, it absorbs the buccal cells, and then you place that in the tube, and there's a fixative agent that preserves the DNA.
Antibacterial fixative agent that preserves the DNA, and then you place that tube That's vapor-proof in a red envelope that filters off the ultraviolet light and it literally preserves the DNA for an indefinite period of time, forever.
Now, this always starts where it's just the parents having it, but why it says two swabs, then it says, oh, one of the kids goes home with the parents.
Now, what happens here?
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No, no.
The reason why we have two swabs instead of one is the amount of DNA that's absorbed on each swab is an enormous amount.
It's going to be a minimum of 1,000 to 7,800 nanograms of DNA.
Uh, to do an analysis you need three quarters of one percent of the one thousand.
But, you know, instead of having one, I decided let's put two in there, so in case the parent needed the sample and used one of the swabs, God forbid the child was lost, and then years later they needed it for medical reasons, you had two samples.
Those cotton swabs are in the tube together, and they stay with the family.
There's no big brother involved, no repository.
It goes home and stays in the privacy of the family at room temperature.
Joe, you certainly heard about the big scandals in North Carolina, Virginia, Texas, where they have been caught taking the heel blood sample, but taking an extra ampule and putting it in a federal database.
Certainly you know the government starts something out as voluntary, and then it becomes mandatory.
You haven't heard about the government discussing mandatory DNA samples from everybody?
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Now, let me tell you, there's been rumors about everything about maintaining DNA samples, but everything that I've heard, it's being maintained in the privacy of your own home.
And whether the family keeps it or, God forbid, you need it for other reasons, you're going to be able to still obtain it.
But, just like at the World Trade Center, when they wanted the families to bring in the toothbrushes, You know, the majority of that, they weren't able to extract the DNA.
I mean, you're talking about a plastic toothbrush that, uh, who knows who used it last or whatever, uh, depending on the toothpaste, whether or not they were able to extract it and it wasn't successful.
Well, here's another... If I'm maintaining the sample of the DNA, it's kept in a privacy-run home, and only, God forbid, if you need it, then you turn it over to the authorities or to the medical... Well, why are they... Well, here's an important question.
Uh, in these counties in New Jersey, and it says all the children just loved it, and they just marched in and did it.
Well, yeah, they're first graders.
They do what they're told.
They're told, stand here, you go to the bathroom, you sit there, you do that.
And it says, oh, all the children loved it.
Look, who set this up is what I'm asking.
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What you have is, we distribute DNA kits all over the country through police departments, non-profit organizations, and especially corporate sponsorships.
They're giving back to the community.
And it's a win-win for everyone.
The corporate sponsor gets the media attention on it, and the families receive it free of charge.
Who in this New Jersey township, because you're the president of the company and you get a lot of attention on this, I'm sure you know how this was set up.
How did that work in the school?
Were parents consulted or did they just march the kids in to have their DNA taken?
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What they do is anytime there's an event, whether it's the police department or a corporate sponsor, they do a public service announcement, they bring home notices from the schools, and they offer it to the parents free of charge if they decide to have it.
If the parent wants it, they'll bring the child in, And they'll take the DNA sample, whether it's for the child or whether it's for an Alzheimer's patient or a family.
I'm a good judge of somebody by telling them what they say.
I don't think you're a bad person.
I had a bad person on last hour.
I hope you don't think I'm a bad person.
No, no, I don't.
But the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
And certainly if people want to buy this stuff, you should have your thing in Walmart and Kroger's.
If people want to get this and do it, that's fine.
There's no need.
I don't want any relationship with the school.
Kids lined up in masks because of the crimes this government's committed with eugenics and bioethics and the things they've done and they've already been caught.
And it's not a rumor.
See, I read the news wires three hours a day.
And I see articles every two weeks about them grabbing DNA illegally.
The scams they're running, what they're doing.
I don't want government, school districts, involved in this.
If parents want to do it, they should do it.
This hurting people, you know, in a cattle car fashion, I think is wrong.
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Well, I'm telling you, that's the interpretation that maybe the reporter had and the way he described it.
But what is taking place is they're offering it to the parents free of charge if they want it, and if they do want it, The only record of that goes home with the family.
I know, in the past... Okay, so I'm sure, I'm sure, I am sure that no one is going to volunteer and give their DNA for a data bank, for whatever company it is, or for whatever organization, unless there was a demand, a legal demand, through a search warrant, that they were able to obtain it through the court.
We are talking to the president and founder of DNA LifePrint, Joe Matthews.
Joe, look, they are moving in England and the U.S.
towards preparing us for DNA databases.
It is not a rumor.
That's why you've heard about it, because somebody saw it on the news or read an article and they told somebody, they told somebody that I guess it was a rumor for you.
They are keeping illegal DNA databases.
They're getting in a lot of trouble.
The federal government was caught buying these from the states with mandates, and that's why people are concerned.
And I have no problem with parents taking a DNA sample and keeping it and buying it off the store shelf and doing it themselves.
The problem is, why do you have government involved?
You know, it's set up first with the school, then they tell the parents.
You see, right off the bat, there's government involvement, and that's a big concern.
Do you see what I'm saying?
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Hey, you know, I see what you're saying, but I don't agree with you.
Let me share this with you.
I was in charge of homicide for Miami Beach Police, and I worked there for 29 years.
And I worked over 2,000 death investigations during my career.
On November 2nd, 1990, a baby was found dead in the bushes that we weren't able to identify.
It was the worst case of abuse, neglect, and torture in the history of Dade County.
And I said to the media that very first day, because I knew this child who was three years old, and he only weighed 18 pounds, and he had his pampers taped to his body, and the pampers had been on for over a month.
I said, with today's technology, we're able to obtain an entire history of a motor vehicle within seconds, yet we're unable to identify a missing or abandoned child.
I didn't realize how profound my words were, and then I testified before Senate subcommittees after I solved the case and the murders on death row, and then I went to Washington and I did research and I tried to pass a bill that would mandate social services to take a DNA sample of at-risk children.
Number one, now I'm beginning to get really concerned about what you're saying here, Joe, because let me tell you something right now.
I'll tell you about the Associated Press.
They've taken 46,000 children by CPS for at-risk parents with diabetes, people that are sick, no records, attacking homeschoolers' families.
3,500 of those children that CPS took are now gone.
No record of where CPS put them, where they are.
These stories are popping up nationwide.
CPS has got a federal mandate to break up the family, and you just said it.
Mandated that at risk, you haven't committed a crime but oh you're poor, head start program, they send CPS out to the house, take DNA databanks, you just said it, government databanks!
You can talk about dead kids all day long, this government has been involved in more of this than you can imagine.
Have you heard about the 3,500 missing kids in Florida?
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I think your focus is so negative and not positive.
The positive thing is that if you take a DNA sample of your child, of your own child, and God forbid that baby is missing, and you have no resources to find your own child, what would you do?
The first thing you do besides presenting a picture and fingerprints...
Public officials have warned that the breadbasket of America... About a year ago, they said one little two-and-a-half-year-old black girl that CBS had taken a year before was gone.
They couldn't find her.
The number then rose to 150.
Oh, but they found four of the children.
Then it rose to 1,500, but they found 50 of the children.
And that was the headline, children being found.
Now it's up over, as of a month ago, 3,500.
And I've posted them daily on the website.
You know what we'll do?
We'll just go grab all those for you and post them this afternoon.
How does that sound?
We'll just post those.
And by the way, Joe Matthews, you are, you know, your baby lollipop thing.
First you said, and you're on tape by the way, you said, oh no, I'm not reforced.
You said you'd try to pass legislation for people that are at risk.
No crimes committed, but you're poor, you're on welfare, you've got diabetes, this is a new at-risk system.
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Are you interpreting it now exactly?
What I'm saying is my original goal in this whole thing as a police officer was to encourage or pass the law, which I wasn't successful obviously, in having Um, social services, when they take a child into custody to take a DNA sample and maintain it, you know what I mean?
You think, let me ask you this, Alex, do you think Is anything wrong with a family taking their child's DNA and keeping it in the privacy of their own home?
Ten years ago I tried to and I wasn't successful because I was the investigator that found a dead baby that I couldn't identify and has been in social services custody.
My point is, this government's criminal and I don't want the government involved anywhere and you said ten years ago you tried to pass legislation when I said, what about checkpoints taking our hair?
The DNA life-bring kit was made for the family to keep in the privacy of your own home, at room temperature, and God forbid, God forbid, whether it's an Alzheimer's patient or a child that's missing, or, on the other hand, for medical reasons.
Then I would suggest you take a DNA sample of your parents and that DNA sample 20 years from now may be of great value medically for your children or their children.
Certainly, if we had angels running planet Earth, you know, from heaven, they could put the cameras up for us and it'd be fine.
We don't.
We have a government that has done every wicked thing I could imagine and it's full of cops like you who aren't evil, but trust the government.
And think that give up liberty for security.
It doesn't work that way and you already said because of your outrage of the dead lollipop baby that you wanted to force people to do this and now you're just trying to get people to do it.
Social services.
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Social services is a part of... I'll have you... You know what's so great?
You know what's so great?
You know when I was invited to come on the show and they You know, I didn't know it was, and I'm happy to be on, and I'll talk as long as you want.
I didn't know it was a controversial show.
The impression she got is they just wanted to make people aware that the product was available and how to use it and everything else.
I wasn't prepared to discuss laws, I wasn't prepared to discuss conspiracies, the government
The CPS I have been in hospitals where a mother who was on food stamps has done nothing wrong.
They come in without a judge's order, sign an emergency order, grab the child because they got a racket going, and then we get a copy of the report, the removal report, and it says we have reports they abused this baby, Jocelyn Houser, one year ago.
It's a two-day-old baby!
Understand, they are criminals, and just because you're not a criminal and can't get your head around it, and you think government's good, I can send you 50 articles a day on this.
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If a guy who works for the post office goes in and shoots everybody, are you going to say that all postmen... No, it's government policy!
Yeah, and this guy, because he thinks it's all good, he admits 10 years ago he had to force DNA databases with CPS, but uses that risk with no charges, no nothing, to take people's children!
It's not funny.
There you go.
You're making me mad now.
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It's not funny that PBS takes people's children.
Alex, my little laugh is out of frustration because you misinterpret everything I say.
But if that's how you want to do it, fine.
I thank God there's shows like this.
Honestly, God, because it keeps everybody straight.
Because you got people on one side and people on the other.
And the majority of everybody is right in the middle.
Well, you know, I didn't intend to get in this conversation, but since I'm on, I'm wondering, Joe, if you had had the DNA of that baby, would that have allowed you to know, or if the parents that had the DNA on that baby, do you think they would have given it to you?
Hey, Joe, I gotta say to you right now, you disgust me to no end.
Do you have any kids in the public school?
Hello?
Do I have children in public schools?
Right, do you?
No.
You don't.
Well, I do.
I have two in high school, and we yanked our youngest one.
Now, if you think that those schools are going to Uh, respect parental permission, or send notes home with the kids.
You're wrong!
I don't know what you're talking about.
Hey, I want to talk to you a second.
Now, I got a social worker that lives real close to here.
And he's younger than me, and he likes to stand out on his porch, waving by to his kids in his underwear.
So why don't you report him to the police like a good citizen would?
Oh yeah, you want to bet?
You know, my daughter was sexually assaulted by a school employee, and the cops protect the school people.
Well, you know, let me tell you, there's guidelines you could follow, and obviously you're not following them.
We have.
We've got the civil rights people at the state going after it, and there's one guy in there that's doing something.
You know, I don't see no difference between you and making money selling this kind of technology to these freaks than George Bush is selling nuclear reactors in Korea!
You need to get your head out of your chest rather than just talking on the phone all day!
Well, I think the reason he's angry is because of the BBC article about 7,200 police and CBS workers and a giant pedophile ring from London, England to Fort Worth, Texas.
Would you like that article?
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Yeah, send it all to me because I'm not aware of any of this.
I think he means well, but certainly trying to make people do this ten years ago was wrong.
He just saw a dead child and got sucked into it.
That's how most of these cops and people are good.
They just get sucked in.
You know, if parents want to get the DNA database thing and put it in their refrigerator or in the closet, I think that's fine.
But I don't want to have the government involved.
Joe, any closing words here on the air?
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No, I just really enjoy talking to you.
And I just want to say that there's no big brother involved.
If they want to maintain the sample of their baby for medical reasons or for identification, God forbid they're missing, that they keep it in the privacy of their own home and that's how simple it is.
