Alex Jones and Mike Runyon expose alleged government corruption, claiming the FBI murdered children at Waco for publicity while President Clinton aided China's missile program. They detail Keith Campbell's horrific detention in an unaccredited Cedar Park Jail and link FEMA to potential concentration camps under the Trilateral Commission. The broadcast asserts that international banks control populations via debt, the CIA stirred up domestic terrorism, and random blood testing plans target 25% of citizens, painting a picture of a dystopian police state preparing for chemical attacks and enforcing corporate slavery through globalist agendas. [Automatically generated summary]
Right here on cable channel 10 here in Austin, Texas in the Time Warner viewing area.
Tonight I'm going to play some rough clips that I haven't really had a chance to edit and smooth out for you this evening.
We went out and got this information for you.
April 19th, that was this Sunday, in Waco, Texas.
It has Ramsey Clark, who was Attorney General in LBJ's administration.
It has the producer of Waco Rules of Engagement and many other people that we're going to talk to and also an FBI or an ex-FBI agent out there soft peddling.
He was also on the news that night on KVUE 24 saying that the FBI made mistakes.
The FBI didn't make mistakes.
They did exactly what they wanted to do.
They bailed the VATF out of a botched raid, a publicity stunt that was meant to get them more funding and to make the American people more conscious of the cult-type groups here in our country.
The only problem was that the Davidians weren't cults.
They weren't breaking laws.
The local sheriff liked them.
They were well known.
That didn't stop the media and made-for-TV miniseries from making them look like a bunch of demons and lying.
Waco Rules of Engagement and other documentaries have come out, shown flare footage the FBI took themselves, them shooting the people.
So we're going to play that coming up, I think, here in about 30, 45 minutes from now.
Anthony Hilder, who was on my radio show this weekend, who's pretty big in the freedom movement and puts out his own documentaries and other information, has his own radio show, is scheduled to call in at 8.30.
So we should have him on here in just a few minutes if he's able to do that.
First of all, I have Mike Runyon.
Mike is a businessman here in town.
Mike isn't a bureaucrat, doesn't steal from people, works hard.
And Mike is an American and a patriot and a law-abiding citizen.
And he's just going to talk a little bit about what's come out even in the mainstream media about Clinton giving, now we find out in the last month, missile technology to guide nuclear missiles to the Chinese so they can now hit our country, every city in our nation.
We're also going to talk about Keith Campbell.
A man that left the Austin Police Department on good terms with a good record because he felt they were breaking the law and felt that there was corruption and discrimination and other things.
He has given up his driver's license and other things.
He's been going to court over this and over traffic tickets and things that he's disputed.
And he was put in jail with no bathroom facilities for two days and was only fed how many times, Mike?
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The first day he was in, they had one TV dinner in the evening.
The next day they had lunch and dinner, but this Cedar Park Jail, from what I understand, is not even an accredited jail.
But the scary part about it is, is once I got there, most of the person that's fingerprinted me was nice, and Mr. Ard was nice, but when I asked to use the restroom after, I don't want to talk like a whining baby here, after three and a half hours, and I've been out all day, by the way, hadn't used, you know, a bathroom since that morning.
I needed to urinate.
I was told to get away from the door because the holding tank I was being held in had a grate on the door.
It had a television with plexiglass in front of it, which I wasn't watching.
Three telephones, which is fine.
And no bathroom with loogies and urine in the corner.
It was very gross.
Now you're telling me, and I know Keith Campbell, he's a very stoic, has a beautiful wife, young children, he's been on my radio show.
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Law-abiding citizen, and all this guy was doing was using their system.
And it's not, he should have been taken to county.
This is, I mean, and I've got this from a law enforcement officer, and I won't say what county, but he knows Cedar Park Jail well.
And the other thing is, the Lago Vista police were real nice, and they were talking to him to and from, and were basically telling him that this was out of their hands, that they didn't appreciate how this was going either.
For a lot of people that see the tape, you know, video cameras aren't like real life.
Mike was out there, Mike Hanson and Steve Lane and other people and a bunch of other, Attorney Generals and Mike McNulty, the producer of Waco Rules Engagement.
I've gotten through speaking and all this other stuff, a lot of people out there.
Mike goes, come on, the bus is leaving because we chartered a bus to go down there.
But to make a long story short, I wasn't even looking for this FBI agent.
I've seen you speak up there and say some things like, he was real two-faced, and I saw him saying, we made mistakes, blah, blah, on the podium.
Then I, as we're walking out about 300 yards to the actual place where the church was burned, the compound of people out there that have heard in the media, I was walking out there, and I saw, like, all the reporters around this one guy.
And reporters would come up and talk to me and stuff, too.
It wasn't like I was, you know, getting mad at him with all these reporters around if somebody said that to me or something.
And I walked out there.
I didn't really know who he was.
So I got up close, and right as I started listening, we had been getting other news conferences, and we're going to put on all two hours of it sometime.
And I was going to put on one of Hilder's tapes this week, but I think I'm going to play it on replay instead because we didn't get this information out.
But to make a long story short, you see me on the tape listening.
Mike has just a second of it.
And I was listening to this guy as we walk up and he was going, yes, mistakes were made.
And that's the part that was on the news, by the way, here last night that I saw.
Yes, mistakes were made.
But, or actually Sunday night.
Mistakes were made, but Koresh had unexploded hand grenades.
And this is what killed the children and all this other stuff.
And I blew up because I know the facts that came out and sent a hearing and in the Davidians trials, those were paper weights that you can buy at any Army-Navy store.
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No, they sat there and destroyed the crime scene as the place was finally burning down.
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They were bulldozing more stuff into the burning embers.
And then also, if Koresh really had machine guns, why don't they break those guns that they've got in the vault over here at the Texas Rangers?
Why don't they break those guns out and let somebody X-ray them?
Coming up in a couple minutes, we're going to show what went on in Waker Airstand.
Again, I had two hours of footage.
I just randomly slashed out some cuts of some information.
When I get a chance, I'll condense it down and edit it out and get the good stuff out of it.
See, I'm honest here.
Most of you look at the media and don't think that any of it...
It has been edited.
But I'll assure you that the media has completely edited the information you see.
In fact, perhaps later we'll show you the 24 newscasts from Sunday night.
What do they call it?
The Fables?
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The Myths.
Oh, and it's amazing when you put those reporterettes on the spot and they don't want to have an opinion on anything.
And then you hit that one with Oklahoma City information and it's like, whoa, I've never heard that.
You know, the information's out there, folks.
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You can listen to the alleged news or you can dig Media Bypass, New American, Free American.
Shortwave, Wigglesworth, Alex has had General Parton.
I mean, the information's out there.
If you believe that McVeigh and Nichols were the only ones involved in Oklahoma City, you'd probably believe in Easter Bunny and McBerry and all nine yards.
That was so the government could get its own bombs out.
But what they show is, they show Time Magazine.
Time Magazine had to show you an artist's illustration of the crater.
There was no crater.
Newsweek showed an artist, an FBI artist's rendering.
And then it shows that right after the bombing, there is no crater.
There's heaps of rubble.
There were pieces of a building across the street on top of other buildings.
That building blew out.
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The building blew out, and then the same deal, they destroyed the crime scene.
General Parton wanted to get in there and get some independent analysts in there, and they tore it down, and they buried it out in different landfills, and part of it was buried on Tinker Air Force Base with a 24-hour guard.
They asked them, Senator Spector and others said, why did you...
Hold back the fire trucks even after it had...
They didn't call a fire truck for 22 minutes.
Then they held the fire trucks for 20 minutes.
Three miles back while they busily bulldozed it.
Heaps of rubble back in.
Because...
And then they have Tarrant County Coroner says that one body would be totally burnt with gasoline all over it.
You know, gasoline residue.
The next body wouldn't even be burnt.
And the body was all burnt by gasoline because it hadn't burnt good enough in the fire.
That body would have a couple bullet holes in the head.
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You know, Agent Deffenbaugh, Danny Deffenbaugh of Dallas, one of his statements to a meeting with some militia leaders a couple weeks ago was, get over Waco.
Well, people would get over Waco when somebody's brought to justice for all the laws, their own federal laws that were broken.
But they keep us all, you know, think about the high level judges, prosecutors, all the people that have to, Secret Service, they know what's going on.
And this guy's just, you know, going around What it comes down to is a lot of people are watching this show right now, and we're doing the best job we can to bring in this information, and again, I want to thank Time Warner for fixing the picture.
And we're having some problems and things.
This isn't a $100 million facility like an ABC studio.
We don't have teleprompters.
I say this every show.
If you want Flash, if you want somebody that's got a reason to lie to you, there's plenty of that out there.
There's plenty of establishment bills.
And they'll give you five or six different angles, and there's this group and that group, but they're all front groups.
It's insanity to me to think that President Clinton, or really puppet Clinton and his controllers, Are so Malthusian, so insane, that they would allow missile guidance systems.
You see, the Chinese have had intercontinental ballistic missiles that could hit our country.
The only problem for 15, 20 years.
The only problem is they didn't have guidance systems that could pinpoint, that could even get to our country.
The missile would lose control and crash.
Well, the problem now is, as your president, And you just heard the name of the corporations.
Tell them one more time.
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Laurel and Hughes.
I'm not sure if it's Hughes Aerospace or some division.
Yes, these are people that do contract work for NASA. This was in the New York Times, but they told you, you know, Clinton couldn't help it and he's a good guy.
What does that do?
It desensitizes you.
Well, the president can give nuclear weapons to people that just threatened a year and a half ago to blow Los Angeles off the map.
We all just giggle.
What type of people are in power?
Well, you see, they have giant bomb shelters, huge underground cities built out in Arizona.
This has even been on Discovery Channel.
They're going to go there.
It's not a big deal.
They don't mind.
It would give them a fascist state, an excuse to have a limited nuclear war.
They would love nothing more than to blow China off the map.
And they're sucking China in like we suck Japan in.
See, we had broken Japan's purple code in 1938.
We knew that in 1941 that a task force was steaming towards Pearl Harbor to attack us.
I have out of the Austin Daily Socialist from Sunday, Clinton unbails aid for America.
And let me find a paragraph here where the list of people that are going to be loaning all the money.
It was going to be $45 billion from the Inter-American Development Bank, the World Bank, and the USA for International Development will be made available for an ambitious array of development projects that 34 presidents in this hemisphere have endorsed.
The countries have to apply for the loans and grants within two years.
What's going on here is this is the way the banks just operate.
They go to small South American countries, for example.
And it's just exactly like it says in this article.
And they say, oh, well, you need to build your infrastructure and you need money to invest in technologies and industry and things to get...
And what happens is they say, okay, well, here's $18 billion, Argentina, or whatever.
and Argentina's elite squander the money, and then all the middle class and lower middle class people in Argentina have a brand new income tax so that they can pay interest on the debt, and of course, say five or 10 years, they've paid back the 18 billion, but now they owe another 20 billion. - Now let's they've paid back the 18 billion, but now they owe another 20 billion. - Let's make a point.
And that's why it's the number one scam in the world, because they print the money for free and then charge everybody interest to use it, and then everybody in the world has got an income tax for these international banking loans, and everybody is paying them in real wealth, in real people's real houses and real tangible things that they bust their ass nine to five all year long to get real wealth.
Everything down last week at the...
Downtown post office, watching all those people, including myself, hurrying down there to mail that form before midnight.
All that money went overseas.
All that money went into private banks in Europe.
And that's real wealth.
They print their money out of thin air, and that is real wealth that we are transferring back to them.
Another news story, Jack Kevorkian's lawyer is running for the governor of Michigan.
I don't have many comments on that, just a nice little point here.
The mass rally is designed to shut off the thinking process.
It's hard enough to disagree with one of your friends, much less a communal activity looking at the chief.
And this was their evolutionary to help the species continue.
You had to listen to the chief because you couldn't have 14 leaders.
And if you had a bad chief, your tribe would die off or be conquered, so you tended to have better chiefs over time.
The problem is we've got despotic, twisted...
Chiefs in power because they're separated from the people.
They can't see what they're doing.
Their advisors are a bunch of backstabbing rats and create a cosmology.
It's very complex, but the problem is you can't have one person or one party rule or one system rule in a complex civilization.
It always results in massive death and destruction.
Exactly.
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And it's interesting, the two most popular, prophetic, dangerous visions of the future that have been written in this century, the two premier ones, I think, would be Brave New World in 1984. Now, see, in Brave New World, written in 1931, Huxley comes at it from the point of view that it will be mass repression, but it will be happy, loving repression, and everyone will feel good, and it will be ruled by distraction.
Whereas Orwell's 1984, which was written in 1948, is based more on the Stalin-esque model, where everything is ruled by absolute fear.
And you dare not have thought crime, like Moff Tarkin on Star Wars.
Fear will keep the locals in line.
And the attitude of everyone goes along to get along, and they're willing to accept, double-think.
and everything else because they're scared of the thought police and Huxley's making the point in this Brave New World Revisited he's kind of to a point comparing and contrasting Brave New World in 1984 and explaining how we seem to be getting into a pretty good hybrid because the people who like it who are in on it or think they're part of the establishment or when they see Clinton smiling on TV they identify with him well it's ruled by distraction for them But then you
have the people who know what's going on, but they're scared to do anything.
How do you like that?
They don't know what kind of lift they're going to get put on.
He knows a lot of what we're saying is true, but he's afraid to talk about it.
He's got, he's compromised over and over again until there's nothing left.
And it's really sad that they're like that.
I take incredible risk, Mike takes incredible risk.
We're all taking risks here.
And I don't understand the fear because I refuse to cower.
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You know, a lot of people aren't that strong, Alex, and a lot of people think, I thought for a long time, well, man, I know some of this stuff.
I learned about it when I was in high school, started learning about it when I watched a huge aircraft video about their neat new smart highway system that they had developed, and I went, oh, my God.
But wait a minute, you know, I'm not sure.
I want to go get marked down on somebody's list now, and a lot of people feel that way.
The military-industrial system that we've been warned about many times, the problem is we do need a strong defense.
But the problem is they're always arming enemies for an excuse for us to have a massive defense.
And at the same time, they hand down these technologies and militarize local police.
They foster crime.
They create new divisions of crime.
And now they're trying to disarm the population.
So I would say that they have subdued us with their diversions and with their flashy packaging.
But they're showing their true colors.
It doesn't matter.
That's the scary part.
These people had us subdued.
They could have made us intelligent and led us like real leaders, but they're not real leaders because they've gotten power through evil, through backstabbing behavior.
That's what they are.
So now they've got control.
They're going to start killing a lot of people.
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Yes, because they don't believe in people.
They think they're better.
They're the enlightened ones.
They're the ones who can kill at will because those petty masses out there don't count.
No, no, I said they're the ones who have petty yes-men, FBI agents, that think they're really doing something good.
They think as long as it comes from an authority figure in a suit down to them, that it's acceptable behavior.
And I'll assure you, it's not acceptable behavior.
We have a lot of good people in law enforcement at the state, national, and even the supranational level, and they're getting very angry, and that's why the establishment is starting to panic.
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Yep, and that's why they're starting to militarize.
The point you just made, I mean domestically, the point you just made, Alex, is a perfect quote from President Wilson, one of the most popular presidents in the history of the United States.
As you know, a traitor and an agent of the Rothschilds.
Who actually confessed on his deathbed that he was deceived and betrayed his country.
But he and J.P. Morgan ended up selling us out to the Federal Reserve Act and the income tax that came two years later.
And they tried to, hold on, and they tried to give us the League of Nations, the 1918 version of the U.N. But Henry Cabot Lodge and some constitutionalists in the Senate did the right thing.
Yeah, Scott, listen, I gotta go ahead and go to some more calls.
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Hey, wait, let me read this Wilson quote real quick, man, one more time.
Real quick, this is before he sold out.
The history of liberty is a history of limitations of governmental power, not the increase of it.
When we resist, therefore, the concentration of power, we are resisting the powers of death, because concentration of power is what always precedes the destruction of human liberty.
And two weeks before that, they ran a piece on cameras.
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Right.
Well, they talked about, and they actually showed the antennas over the highways in San Antonio, and they even said that they've handed out 70-something thousand of these little, they didn't call them transponders, they said these little cards that you put up in the windshield of your car in San Antonio to the people, and they talked about...
Well, it's enacted.
They got it running in Houston.
It's running in San Antonio.
They showed the monitoring room and everything with the policemen sitting there watching.
Oh, yes, if they have a wreck, while we're monitoring all this.
And they actually even called them surveillance cameras.
They've got them right here on 183. They just don't have the cameras up yet.
These are all hooked into computer grids, that are hooked into the Internet, and these companies that are in with the global slave state, known as the New World Order, have backdoor keys into all your computer systems if they're connected to any type of hub or if you ever plug any electronic device into anything else.
You're fixing to start seeing them marching up and down the streets.
And people will just turn their heads like they do with military helicopters and black helicopters and black ops helicopters fly over.
And the statesman writes articles about three weeks ago on the back of, what was it, March 28th, A28. They have black helicopters, they're real, but you're still a coot to talk about it here in North Carolina.
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Yeah, they've been blowing up.
The local town people hear stuff blowing up, but they're all happy because it's created 40 jobs for their town.
And right now they've got the Palestinian security forces over there learning how to blow stuff up.
And they're bringing in slave goods, they're bringing in organs on ice, or that's being flown into the Georgia Air Force base that they're attempting to take over in the high desert of California.
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That's because these Americans have just totally forgot what America stands for.
When I went down and talked to Lieutenant Beck, who supposedly...
He's a nice guy.
He's in denial.
He's coming down this Sunday to the Chariot Inn from 1 to...
5 p.m., he's going to speak to people.
And he's a Travis County SWAT team.
And, you know, he sat there and he told me, well, we do train with the military, but I can't really talk about that.
But it's no big deal, Alex.
And, you know, now they're telling us in the media that it's just starting.
You know, it's accelerating.
It's increasing.
I remember two years ago driving back from an AXS TV show and seeing, like, down there on 11th, like 200 people in black uniforms, some of them with helmets and ski masks, going into a building.
I don't know what they were doing, but doing some kind of training.
But, I mean, I'm not exaggerating.
200. 200. You have this federal control, which is very dangerous.
It's a telltale sign of fashion going on.
And Lieutenant Beck sat out there.
I walked out of the commissioner's court meeting.
I'd been there to expose the helicopter base they're building.
And they lied and said it's not a helicopter base for surveillance.
And then last night we played Margo Frazier.
Did you see that?
On the Freedom Report, Steve Lane got a report out there with her and she says, yeah, I respect her now.
The paper, the states from the New York Times and everywhere, a couple months ago when we had it, admitted that these anthrax shots are linked to Gulf War illness, that they are...
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And then it doesn't even cover the Russian version of anthrax.
Well, yes, yes.
These things they're inoculating them with doesn't even cover it.
They print it in the paper, and the smart soldiers, they only print it once, all over the country one time, the smart soldiers see this and get the hell out.
But the idiot morons, they love it.
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And there's still some good people.
You know, I used to assume that people in the military were up on current events, but that's not the case, 100%.
Now, there are some, you know, there's exceptions to that.
And Reno, an impotent bag of pus that couldn't get a man?
No, I think it is sexual.
I think Freud is right about this.
I think weak...
Rat people on the male side and weak people on the female side run our system.
I shouldn't say male.
But it is sexual inadequacy.
And they just love to stomp people.
I mean, these people make me want to vomit.
And there are media that lies.
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You know, we can go back from not only 24, but remember the big go-around on the thumb scan with our friends over at KVET. I mean, there's one guy over there.
The KVET that I have respect for, and that's John Doggett.
And the rest of them, the news is like sugarcoating.
You can sit there.
You don't even have to put 50 cents in the paper machine.
You can read the paper through the machine and get more news than you'll get off of KVET. But I don't know.
Well, you're fixing to see, again, Attorney General come up in about a few minutes.
We're talking about it.
I had to do a very good interview.
I should have done a better one.
I should do better on all this.
We'll go to one more call, and then we'll go to the tape.
Hello, you're on the air.
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Hello?
Yeah, Alex?
Hey, my name's Kevin, and...
When you were just talking about the sexual inadequacy of the people that run things, I just wanted to know how that You think that would be so with Clinton?
You know, I mean, he seems to get laid quite a bit, and he seems to be running.
I'm talking about people like Lon Horiuchi, FBI sniper that shot Vicki Weaver while she was nursing her baby, and they admitted in the head and blew her head off.
I'm talking about shooting Sam Weaver.
14 years old in the back three times and blowing one of his arms off after they shot the dog to get him to come outside.
That's what I'm talking about.
I'm talking about them forming false charges, calling them white supremacists when they weren't.
I'm talking about a lying, backstabbing, double-dealing government that is trying to imprison Bo Greit, the most highly decorated living soldier, because he went and tried to get Linda Wiegand's children away from a sex cult.
I'm talking about Ted Gunderson, ex-head of the FBI in Southern California, over 700 men at one time, documenting this information and made-for-TV movies coming out and slandering him.
I'm talking about General Parton, ex-head of Air Force Weapons Development, telling you that they destroyed that building and documenting it all the way down in Oklahoma City.
It makes me very sad that this is going to happen.
And you know, people at KVENT Radio could sit up there and smile all the way, and they'll be fine unless some person in a black ski mask wants to rape their daughter, and then they'll find out how it really works.
Or, you know, all these other radio stations at 24 and KI and all the rest of them, they feel like they're part of the system.
They're nothing but well-paid slaves, smiley-faced punks.
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Government news, agent.
Well, this is the century for genocide, and it's happening worldwide.
Oh, and also all the little nice professors and people that helped Pol Pot come to power that were loving and understanding liberals, they were the first to go because they were the ones that put them in power and they know that.
You know, I've used an example before.
Do you think back in olden days when a traitor came down to open up the drawbridge?
I mean, to lower the drawbridge and open the gate.
Do you think when the Conquering Army march through, do you think that they patted that guy on the back and gave him those gold coins?
Not because it's a big deal or because I want to censor it.
No, I don't want to censor it, but I can speak out against it.
I've turned into a real nerd here.
Because if you see somebody killing and slaughtering and murdering and guts and death, even if you're defending, you know, or it's a good guy doing it for his family, when you see that later, you have been desynthetized to it.
Now let's go further.
I can handle a cowboy movie or a Schwarzenegger movie because at least it's a good guy fighting bad guys and standing up.
We need that type of role model.
But we're seeing new movies come out where serial killers are the person or the murderer is kind of admired.
And yes, and I kill people with a knife when I slit their throat.
I don't use a gun and the audience claps or Woody Harrelson machine guns police officers and kills women and children.
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Everyone claps and giggles with delight because he laughs when he does it.
There's some movie right now where some kid goes to school, he...
They say about a million, one hundred thousand died, and what it was is the UN didn't actually kill the people, except when they wanted to rape or kill somebody, I have the photos.
I've shown them many times.
And you've shown them, you've handed them out at places, at UN meetings and things, but of course they just laugh and say you're an extremist.
Even though it was first published in The Village Voice, a real liberal publication, not really phony ones.
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Not with the Belgian peacekeepers roasting the Somali kid over the fire?
Or right now, right now, we went to invest, the UN went to investigate old Kabila in the Congo, because he murdered a whole bunch of people, and they, I guess they got threatened, the UN's tucking tail and getting out of there.
I am so mad at the new money and the low-level executives, I mean low-level and, you know, $100 million companies or $10 million companies or whatever, who think they're real rich and think they're part of the system.
These guys are going to get cold.
You know, the stock market goes up and up and up, but it goes like this.
So people are getting used to the cycle.
Don't worry.
Buy when it goes down.
And then it's going to start dropping, and the media's going to say, oh, it'll go back up.
Don't worry.
We have advisors.
They're going to fix it.
And when it hits...
When it gets about halfway down, the media is suddenly going to change because they've done it in 29, and before that, it's a classic tactic.
What was not destroyed, merely transferred.
They're going to declare, oh, it's totally bankrupt, new financial system, and the bottom's going to drop out, and then the real money mongers, the real money, is going to come in and buy everything up on pennies on the dollar.
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Alex, do you know where all that money goes?
Every time that there's been a stock crash, a major stock crash, it has been followed by a war.
They're hoarding money for war.
That's where that money goes when the stock market crashes.
We were just reading the Austin American statement.
It never talks about the children.
It talks about David Koresh being some sort of cult leader.
Of course, the media doesn't want to discuss Waco rules of engagement.
And I was surprised that it was nominated for an Academy Award, but of course it didn't win.
We're coming out here to help keep the memory alive of the butchery, the murder.
Because Bill Clinton was insecure and wanted to flex his muscles, and the BATF wanted more funding, they wanted to raise the American people's consciousness about cults and out-of-control organizations of this nature.
So they surrounded the place, opened fire with helicopters, and then 51 days later set it on fire, hit teams inside, and murdered the people.
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Those that tried to escape were machine guns from outside.
Only a couple people got out alive, and that's because they came out the front where they had cameras.
We're fixing to show you everything out there and get a lot of important interviews.
This is the Freedom Report.
Just one point I wanted to make real fast.
I forgot.
And, of course, it is escape, not escape.
I'm a good Texan here, ladies and gentlemen.
This is Alex Jones talking to you one more time.
One small point I did want to make, actually a large point.
I think actually more children died at Waco than died in Oklahoma City.
And both are equally terrible both.
Both examples of government terrorism were terrible.
But the point that we have to understand and be conscious of here, before we get back to this, is you didn't hardly hear anything about the children.
You didn't hear their names read out.
But on all the networks, that's all I saw Sunday night on April 19th.
Disgusting behavior.
Alright, back to the video.
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I know there's certain of you that have come here for the first time in five years because it's been too painful.
You didn't even know.
I understand that.
But I would encourage you to take it and use it and find the answers for those questions coming from those dead children.
The question then becomes one of, why April 19th?
Why was April 19th so significant that the FBI felt compelled to take the actions that they took?
There's never been a good answer for that.
Jeff Jamar in the congressional hearings stated categorically that the reason why April 19th was picked was because the weather was good.
Well, if you're putting gas into a building, having a high-velocity wind operative that could dissipate the gas doesn't mean that the weather was good.
It means that it was bad.
So what did he mean the weather was good?
Was it good for a fire?
Yeah.
It was very conducive for an arson fire, but it wasn't very good for inserting gas that day.
So what did Jeff Tamar mean?
No one that wound up inevitably causing the death of all these people.
Who was ultimately responsible?
Agents of the FBI, agents of the federal government, and the military.
They were ultimately responsible for the deaths of all these people.
One more question.
What would you say the general public thinks?
Who does the general public think is at fault?
Well, I think the general public is in a state of confusion.
Unfortunately, yourself and the rest of the media haven't helped that much in terms of clarifying that state of confusion.
But I think that they're concerned about...
Yeah, who did kill the kids?
I think that the questions that are contained in the film are questions that everyone needs to answer, including yourself.
Who killed the children?
The bottom line becomes one of you have a personal obligation as a citizen.
You have a dual obligation as a reporter to find out what went on.
And what bothers me is that the media allows people like Buck Revell or Bob Ricks To answer questions about the issues raised in my film.
And these gentlemen haven't even seen the film.
And yet they spout off like they have.
And you don't nail them for it.
You ought to.
The other thing that I find disturbing is that very few people in the media have seen the film.
And yet they'll sit there and pontificate for hours about what's good or bad about it.
Well, the first film certainly raised all the right questions.
It didn't always have all of the answers.
I've spent some additional time and effort in trying to get better answers to the questions.
Who shot first on February 28?
Was there really gunfire from the helicopters?
Did the FBI shoot at the Branch Davidians on April the 19th in spite of their protestations?
Who were the people at the back of the building shooting at the Branch Davidians on April the 19th?
What was involved with the explosion on the top of the bunker?
During the course of the fire, how was the evidence handled or mishandled in the following investigation?
Questions like that.
So we get to deal with those issues and hopefully when we've dealt with them, we're in the process of making that film and I'm finding very little cooperation from people who were involved.
People like Bob Ricks or Jeff Chamar or Dick Rodgers.
Okay, so he was the public spokesperson for the FBI. Right.
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And basically, trying to get those people to cooperate now has been like pulling teeth.
They're not interested.
Well, I can appreciate why they might not be, but the fact of the matter is, these are the same fellows that are out bad-mouthing my film, and I think it's only appropriate first that they see the film before they bad-mouth it.
And then once they've had that opportunity, that they also spend some time answering the questions raised in the film, as opposed to just being critical in sort of a general haphazard way.
Mr. McNulty, I have seen your documentary when it premiered in Austin, Texas to a packed house at the Dovey at UT, and I was ashamed that our newspaper didn't do a front cover story.
They did it in the movie section, and they said it showed troubling information, showed...
Federal agents firing from their sniper points and actually up right next to the church or what the media would call the compound.
I know some new documentation coming out that's even worse than just the feds firing at women and children as they tried to exit the burning building through the cafeteria area.
Now is it true that some documentation is coming out, if you want to go ahead and release this, I've heard it from others, that they actually sent in hit squads?
Due to their arrogance, they ignored this powerful information and now it's gotten pretty big and they're starting to panic.
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I don't know if panic's the right word, but certainly they've begun to pay attention where they hadn't for the past year and a half.
And ultimately, all that tells me is these fellas have got something on their mind.
And I have contacted them recently, like Bob Ricks, and given them the opportunity to speak their peace, you know, to state their side of the story.
And they refuse to do so.
So in my mind, all that tells me is they've got something to hide.
So if that's the case, then shame on them.
What went on here and the fact that it wasn't documented by the media the way it should have been probably has something to do with why you have a TV show and a radio show.
You're not exactly mainline.
But on the other hand, the birth of that type of communication is a good thing because it gives the mainline media something to think about next time they want to Kowtow to the people of the Justice Department for fear of losing news sources.
So perhaps it's a good thing, and perhaps there is good that's come out of the situation at Wake Up.
Well, are you aware that our Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, just created 10 regional teams to work with local law enforcement?
That is absolutely unconstitutional, and they're doing anti-terrorism training all around the country.
Are you aware that General Benton-Pardon, ex-head of Air Force Weapons Development, says that Oklahoma City was done with pinpoint strikes inside the building?
Right up there on the podium, here at the five-year remembrance of the slaughter here is Ramsey Clark, ex-Attorney General of the United States of America.
And he is there telling you that we are under federal control.
The military is training with local law enforcement.
This is absolute police state.
Nazi Germany is right upon us.
But this time it's going to be not racial, but environmental and socialist.
It's the real deal, ladies and gentlemen, and you can't deny it.
Clark, he was Attorney General.
During LBJ's administration, and he said some very stunning information that a lot of us in the freedom movement know about, but a lot of people out there in the mainstream because of the press don't know about.
He was talking about the growing police state.
Sir, would you like to make some comments on that?
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Well, our government has become the greatest purveyor of violence on earth, as Dr. King said it was in 1967. But today it's gone beyond all reasonable bounds.
Two range people like the School for the Americas to go into Chiapas, Mexico and kill Mayan Indians who were starving to death with our NAFTA thing that's driven their corn off the market because they can't compete with us and can't sell their surplus corn to make a little money to buy some water purifiers so their kids don't get sick and die from polluted water.
Here at home you see things like Waco, which show that we carry over our militarism right into our churches to assault church people.
My first question is, or my first statement about this is, is you're absolutely right.
I mean, we have military training, people in black ski masks, with the MJTF, Morbid Jurisdictional Task Forces, training directly with our local law enforcement in Austin, Texas, where I'm from, and I found out that this is a nationwide movement.
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Sure it is.
And the sad part is, you know, the cop is supposed to be our friend on the beat.
He's the one who gets the cat out of the tree and takes care of the lost kids and stops someone from burglarizing a home and stuff like that.
I've done interviews at protests and things, and the police walk up and say, stay behind the demarcation line.
And you'll hear them talking.
Watch the civilians.
They're using military terminology.
Is this dangerous?
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Of course it's dangerous.
The paramilitary concept of police is a police state, you know.
And our constitution was created to prevent a police state.
Yet our police expenditures, our creation of the fear of crime and the belief that you can solve crime by more prisons, by the death penalty, and by beating people in the head is crazy.
It's just war with our own society, and you see it come to a head at a peaceful church outside of Waco, Texas, Mount Carmel.
And just to talk a little bit more about the police state, and I appreciate you doing this interview, Mr. Clark.
That is the dangerous part about it.
Eisenhower, Kennedy, many others warned us about the military-industrial complex, and now since we've dominated the whole planet, they are now still selling fear, but now they're selling fear of the American people.
They are making us the enemy.
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Well, I think that's right.
The prison population in Texas is the worst of all, in many ways.
No free society tells people, do what we say or we'll kill you.
They're organizations through which they implement their power, and it's an international group that maintains power through the multinational corporations and the media and all the rest.
Alex well it's hard to speak after Ramsey Clark attorney general You hear what he was just telling you?
There is a massive consolidation of local police departments under federal control, the Multi-Jurisdictional Task Force and the JTF-6, which is based at Fort Bliss, Texas.
They wear black ski masks.
They train in military tactics.
And they are the big gun and the long arm of the IRS. And the criminal system that is running this nation.
Make no mistake, the murders of these people and these children was about one thing and one thing only.
It was about terrorism against the American people.
It was about testing and pushing the limits to see if the government could surround a group, if they could kill those people and burn it to the ground.
Waco rules of engagement.
It shows the automatic weapons fire as men and women tried to edge at the back of the building.
That's where most of the bodies were found, right in the edge.
Hit squads, military black ops, the same ones that destroy Oklahoma City, just like Hitler burnt the Reichstag in 1933. I mean, where is our country when ex-Attorney Generals of the United States of America are here telling you that Reno and the rest of them and the Republicans and the Democrats are all the same people?
I mean, it just makes my heart swell with pride that we do have people like Ramsey Clark and others, and this whole crowd out here that is standing in defiance of tyranny.
And I'll take a line from that movie, Braveheart.
What would you give, dying in your bed all these years from now, to have just once stood up in defiance of tyranny, to put on the armor and to ride out on the field against the enemy?
And violence is not the way to go.
They are the ones that use violence.
They are the ones that are dangerous.
Understand that.
We've got to use information like Waco Rules of Engagement.
I mean, that documentary is so powerful because it doesn't exaggerate.
It doesn't lie.
For three hours, it lays out the information for you to see.
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And where is the mainstream media editing this information out?
And now we find out, and it's going to come out in the next documentary, and think about this, that they sent in death squads with breathing apparatus to kill those people inside because they couldn't have any witnesses of what really happened on the first day of the 51-day standoff.
So we're dealing with murder.
We're dealing with terrorism against the American people, and this is nothing new in the history of the world.
Authoritarian regimes always seek to control the modes of finance, the printing of money, transportation, food production, you name it, it's all coming under federal control under the guise of environmentalism, which is nothing but a cult now.
It's very, very serious.
Somebody has got to stand up.
More people have got to stand up.
FEMA, under Senate Resolution 21, is building hundreds of concentration camps on military bases, set up for families, areas for men, areas for women, areas for women with children, and areas for men who have families on the other side of the camp, and by the way, they have triple the guard towers, and I have played this many times on my television show.
It's just out of control.
I have congressmen on tape, Henry B. Gonzalez and others admitting this.
Look at the world.
And then I'm going to get off there because others have a lot more to say than me.
Hitler killed 40 million.
The communists in Russia killed about 100 million.
The communist Chinese, we're not sure, 100, 200 million.
And it's still going on.
We're buying slave goods from these people.
They're moving into Long Beach Naval Base.
They're moving into the high desert of California at Victorville and Atalanto and building 20 mini-malls to bring in slave goods directly.
This is a de-industrialization of our...
And it is just...
It is just sick what's happening to our country, and people have got to stand up against it if freedom is going to survive.
And the plans are there.
Make no mistake, but don't be fearful.
People that lay down.
I mean, ask yourself, how did the Germans allow Hitler to come to power?
They believed it's propaganda.
Most of the death camps were off in Poland.
Keep it away.
Keep it on military bases.
Keep it behind closed doors.
This is what's happening.
Make no mistake.
And the mainstream media is going around.
Last week in Austin, a mainstream media station went out and had reporters on the street asking, where will terrorists strike next?
They're introducing this into this psychology.
They're creating a new cosmology of fear and preparing people for terrorism.
And I just want to warn you one more time.
State-sponsored terrorism is the number one brand worldwide.
Oklahoma City was terrorism.
What happened right here where I'm standing in Waco back in 1993 on April 19th with state-sponsored terrorism.
It was a test to see if you'd lay down.
And I'm telling you something, they're taken back now because their propaganda and their lives worked for a while, but you see that the polls are changing.
More and more people are waking up to what's happening.
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So I want to challenge you to talk to 10 people a week.
Get it into congressman's hands, your friend's hands, judges in your local cities, because this can be a revelation to the people of America, to the people that just want to be pragmatic, to the people that are just relativists, and don't care as long as charity doesn't come knocking on their door.
And I'll just paraphrase this.
We've all heard the, uh...
Famous quotes and statements.
When they came for the Jews, they didn't come for me, so I left it alone.
When they came for the Catholics, when they came for all these different groups, I stayed there.
And finally, when they came for me, there was nobody left to stand up for me.
This is the real deal.
This is human history.
This is not some foggy conspiracy theory.
I have to tell you, three years ago, four years ago, I thought what happened at Waco was wrong.
But I thought, I mean, I believed a little bit of the propaganda.
I thought, well, you know, this and that.
And the more I studied this, the more I found out it's worse than even what Waco Rules of Engagement or J51 had to offer.
And that's why I'm glad that they're coming out with a new documentary, because this is what it's going to take.
It's going to take information to the public.
Information is power.
So stop reacting and start acting and stand up against...
This police state, or we're going into 100% taxation, 100% tyranny.
And just because it's packaged sweetly and has a nice, flashy exterior, the interior is barbed, wire, and pure slavery.
Thank you all for being here Thanks Alex Later that day we walked on up the road to the church area where the families were burned to death and I saw one of the FBI Hostage negotiators one of the slime balls over there talking about how Koresh had live hand grenades I'm sorry.
I watched the Senate hearings.
I read the court transcripts.
Those were paperweights, sir.
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He was over there acting like the good FBI agent that said there was some problems.
Of course, right out here in front was where the-- - That didn't come out in the trial.
You're some kind of provocateur.
In fact, you're one of those FBI agents, aren't you?
I don't personally, I don't give a damn.
Oh, you're not going to do anything to me.
These people are murderers.
These people are murderers.
I'm sick and tired of hearing your lies when you machine gunned a bunch of men, women, and children.
You got a big problem, buddy.
You sit over here.
I'm not afraid of you guys.
I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I'm sick of it.
You sit over here and you talk about how the children huddle in the corner and how the ammunition that they had is what killed them, all the rest of your garbage.
You ought to be ashamed of yourself.
You don't stand up for the Constitution.
You stand for zip, not a zero.
I heard that.
You have no calm aplomb.
It's false, my friend.
And let me tell you, a lot of people are writing down your names.
You can follow people around.
You can harass people.
You can back up your banks, your buddies.
But a revolution of peaceful information is coming.
And when it comes time, you people are going to be brought to punishment.
We talked to Clive Doyle, and he did not invite this gentleman there.
Clive Doyle is one of the surviving Branch Davidians.
And then lie number two is the fact that this FBI negotiator, who was there during 51 days, sits up there and says sarcastically that, oh, Clive Doyle was the expert.
They kicked him out at first, but he won a $1.6 million lawsuit.
What happened is, as I talk to people, and some people seem to think that I was saying about the CIA base that the statesman talked about, how wonderful it is, how the people love it because it created 40 jobs.
Jobs are a great thing.
People need jobs in this country.
And they said the economy is so great, it's great right now during the money manipulation, but it's not too good for most people working a lot of 9 to 5 jobs, taking extra jobs and paying taxes.
You know, the IRS goes mainly after middle class and lower middle class people.
It goes after people that aren't poor, but aren't rich and aren't wealthy, that are just making enough to try to send their kids to college or try to pay off the house.
And the rich people got the lawyers and the power to get out of the tax system.
We need a lower tax system in this country.
And those that would say that I was insulting people that work, I'm sorry if that was misunderstood.
I'm saying that people that take jobs at CIA bases where they train terrorists, like in North Carolina, what was the name of that camp?
It just came out in the States a couple weeks ago, three weeks ago now.
Time flies.
You shouldn't take a job working for the spooks.
A lot of good people try to get out of the spooks and they've been killed or they've been railroaded or put in prison.
It's become totally corrupt.
And I don't like to talk about the most powerful mafia organization in the world.
A couple weeks ago, Madeleine Albright, what state was it that she was saying should follow?
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Oh, yeah, Virginia was going to execute a guy, and she was from Paraguay, and he murdered some lady and her kid, and she was trying to put a halt to that, to the execution.
Some kind of sovereignty or something.
I forget the angle she was using.
They executed him anyway.
It's amazing.
Madeleine Albright is a grandfather's guy named Joseph Kerbell, who was one of Stalin's right-hand guys.
Just because her grandfather was a communist, that's okay.
And there's actually been some convictions in the countries once they found out about it, Belgium and Italy, but the UN... Well, Canada disbanded that unit.
Well, let's...
Yeah, exactly.
Let's talk about Kirk Valtheim, Secretary General of the United Nations from 1972-1982.
One of the founders of the U.N., he was a top-level SS officer.
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Yeah, they somehow didn't catch that until he was up for his reappointment or whatever.
They try their best to defend them, and they're constantly looking for good PR, whereas they're doing stuff in Rwanda like bringing the Tutsis in for showers at a safe camp, then they all leave at night and let the Hutus in to kill them and throw them in the river.
Because oil companies wanted that property.
I mean, this is how it works.
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Like, Congo, they wanted...
Somehow, miraculously, this diamond mining company from Arkansas got the contract after Kabila took over the Congo.
Yeah.
It's just a coincidence.
So, that probably doesn't have anything to do with our friend in the White House.
Yeah, one thing I wanted to say was, I just moved here from the Chicago area, and you guys aren't a lone boy from the wilderness.
And there's other people talking about parallel things, which you guys are talking about on your show here.
Bring up the same things, like, even the matter with them, with the Waco situation, they could have easily arrested Corrish when he was doing his morning jogging like that.
There was no reason really to do this, what they did, you know, going through and killing everybody.
They could just caught me on the morning jog and arrest them and put them in the van.
That would have solved it.
Well, the sheriff didn't even have a problem.
I mean, the sheriff had been out there numerous times, never had a problem with them.
The Child Protective Service had investigated and didn't find anything wrong.
You know, that was one of the pretexts they used was they were abusing children.
The other was the meth lab, supposedly, and that was...
There was allegedly a meth lab there back when that Roden guy was involved.
But just the whole deal.
I mean, the other reason why they had to burn the place down is because they had bullet holes going through the front door and also through the roof.
Okay.
Just some other things, too.
Like when I was living up there, they have a lot more tighter laws on guns and like that in Illinois, especially in the city of Chicago there.
I mean, you can't really own a handgun, and even if you have a simple rifle or shotgun, you have to have it.
When you hang a sign at your business that says, no concealed, you're saying to all criminals, you don't have to case this joint.
There's no one in here with guns.
Come on in.
Kill us.
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Steal.
Yeah, and one particular issue, there was a gentleman, actually it was a church pastor.
There was a guy breaking into the church trying to find money like that.
The guy shot him with like a regular shotgun.
And they went after him on charges for having an unregistered rifle.
Wasn't there a big ATF scandal up there in Chicago?
I think there was.
I mean, I can't recall a particular sign or anything.
And also, wasn't that where that lady and her husband, the president, had come into town for some function and that lady told him he sucked and they came back and hit the Secret Service?
Held them in custody for a day or two?
Yeah, there was something with Clinton.
Well, that was with Clinton, right?
Right.
Yeah, yeah, I remember that.
And they had a little bit of ruckus.
Actually, it was kind of a funny way they did things for the Democratic Convention there, too.
I bet that was interesting.
How they had everything routed off, and it was really manipulated well from their end.
Because they kept, really, the protest down, and Mayor Daley Taylor was a great success and everything in comparison to the 68 convention where they had a lot of mayhem and people getting killed by their local police there and like that.
I tell you, it's chilling.
There's several people.
There was a guy that was at one of his stage town hall meetings, and he asked him a question that they hadn't pre-screened, and it wasn't confrontational.
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Questioning one of his policies, and they put this guy in jail for a couple days.
That really puts you on edge there, trying to do something without any pretense of malice or anything, just to bring open a subject or ask a legit question there.
And, you know, another thing is, guys, we're talking about seeing certain threats and scenarios coming up, say, like with the Depression of 1929 leading up to World War II and like that.
One of the things made me think in regards to communism like that, right after, you know, like in 19, right after 1917, like that, when communism, you know, when Lenin took over Russia and like that, there's one Czech writer, an author named Carl Czapak.
He was a very big critic of, you know, this is when...
When they first formed Czechoslovakia, and he was a critic, and he pointed out communism wasn't the empowerment of the people.
It was a tyranny over the people.
And this is someone that's just, you know, considered not a politician, but he was more like a playwright and an author of books and like that.
He even wrote a play called RUR, and that's where we get the American word robot from.
And that play's about, you know, international industrialization going amok and everything.
I mean, people should, you know, try to read that.
That's where Robot came from?
Yes.
It came from a Czech word when they translated the Czech script.
And that play came out in the early 1920s.
How far was De Plains, Illinois, from where you live?
Well, De Plains, or they call it Death Plains there.
It's like a northwest suburb over by O'Hare Airport.
Did you hear about the urban combat training drill that they had there in the middle of the night, one night, about three years ago?
Yeah, I heard, you know, they had real general things.
There's a guy up there that has a radio station up there that keeps, you know, on tasks and such things.
One of the things I found disturbing was There was a questionnaire given to military personnel whether they would engage against U.S. civilians or not.
Right, the 29 Palms questionnaire.
Yeah, and is that still in existence?
I've got a friend that's making copies.
If you go to the next gun show, you'll get a copy of that.
He's making copies of that text.
He's got the whole deal.
He's sent off for the whole...
This guy wrote a thesis, Guy Cunningham.
All right.
And there was 26% of the Marines that took this questionnaire at 29 Palms that said that if they had to, they'd fire on U.S. citizens.
That's pretty scary.
They're just without any cause.
What do you think about NATO expansion?
Just to sell more arms.
I mean, NATO was created to stop the Communist bloc, and now we're letting all of...
You know, now they're democracies, whatever that's supposed to mean.
I don't hear them mention anything about, you know, freedom and liberty.
Just, you know, keep using the word democracy.
Yeah, I mean, they've got a lot of people brainwashed on that, and like up there, they've got a lot of people, you know, Polish people from Poland like that, or with Polish relatives still tied there to their old country, and they're really, some are really sold on it.
But the thing is, those people have to, you know, they have to keep certain clothes and they have to put so much of their money into NATO. And, you know, if we want to have these people try to at least stand on their own two feet where they can generate their own economy and enterprise instead of plucking more money back into a military system.
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And next thing you know, we're liable to have Russia joining NATO. Who knows?
It's crazy.
Well, what else?
You got anything else or think we ought to go to another caller here?
I appreciate your calling.
We're going to go to another caller here.
Hello?
Hello.
Hello.
I'm sorry, I don't even know your name.
My name is Mike.
Yes.
Okay.
Last weekend, one of my girlfriends, she got arrested.
Well, her boyfriend was driving drunk.
She got arrested for P.I. Public intoxication.
And she was handcuffed and put into some kind of cell where there was no bathroom or anything like that.
Was she in Cedar Park?
No, I think it was Erin Nelson.
Okay, because my friend Keith, when he was in Cedar Park jail, there was a lady that was brought in there.
And she was in a separate cell, but the guys in the drunk tank were giving her a hard time.
Well, supposedly she just came to me in tears.
I mean, just when she got out, absolutely in tears.
Supposedly she went to some kind of cell.
And she had no facilities.
She was handcuffed.
Her boyfriend was, he got into an accident.
He was a drunk driver, I guess.
And she was taken in for P.I.
And handcuffed.
And for some reason, taken down to this little room.
And then eventually got out of this room and then went up to some kind of cell or something.
I don't know.
Uh-oh.
I seem to have lost her.
We'll put another caller on.
Call it on the air.
How are you doing?
Pretty good.
Got a question for you regarding the last phone call.
I have to admit I agree with a lot of things I hear on the show.
But the last phone call, someone who is in a car with a drunk driver essentially can be an accessory to a crime.
They could have done the best that they could have to prevent that individual from driving, or they could have gotten out of the car.
Well, sir, again, I mean, we don't screen phone calls on this show, except occasionally we screen phone calls not for content, but just for phone numbers, and we have been doing that, I think, in months, like six months or so.
So whoever wants to call in here, we're talking about Keith Campbell, a man that got out of the police department with a good record.
Was fighting the court systems about social security number and not paying a traffic ticket and was sent to which jail was it?
I've met with him about ten times, have him on the radio show.
But Mike, you know him very well, and Keith doesn't even hardly talk very much.
He has a nice wife, nice family.
And he says that he was in there for two and a half days, was given one meal a day, which is, you know, whatever, and that people had to deprecate on the floor, correct?
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That's correct.
And coming from a law enforcement official in Williamson County, it's not even an accredited jail.
This place is...
I tell you, it needs to be...
Here we are in Austin, Texas, where all the state investigative agencies are.
It needs to be investigated.
You know, again, I agree with what you're talking about.
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And I'm on the same page and I'm on the same subject with you.
But it seems that in any system, and don't get me wrong, I'm not pro for what's going on.
You're going to get innocent, okay, in terms of...
You're gonna have jails where ex-police officers are equipped with force because of corruption, go to jail because they try to fight the court system, and because they don't want to get it where people start fighting traffic tickets, where they called him at home, and where people for two and a half days, he's in a room in a tank with people defecating on the floor and he's in a room in a tank with people defecating on the floor and Right, and we have people running across the border to spat out a baby, We cannot expel them.
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They're therefore citizens, uneducated.
My whole point basically is...
I applaud you for fighting against it.
To me, I'm totally apathetic.
It's like a terminal cancer that is set in in this country.
Well, look, I wouldn't say that immigrants coming across the border is the big problem.
I mean, I would say that it's bad that when they get here now, instead of being hardworking, and I'm not blaming the immigrants, the government's there trying to get them on welfare and enroll them in the Democratic Party.
And I'm not a Republican, by the way.
I used to be a semi-Republican.
And I think they're just as bad or worse because they offer solutions, but then...
Well, it's like the 86 tax cut.
We're going to give you a middle class tax cut, and then they raise taxes on the middle class.
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The borders, all that has been going on for so long, there's no quick, simple deal now.
Oh, of course not.
And it's some hard-working, there's a lot of hard-working people getting out of there coming up here, and unfortunately, there's some criminals mixed in with them also.
But no country that has open borders can really call itself a country.
I'm trying to make a lot of my friends and relatives aware of some of the ideas you're bringing out, because I believe in a lot of things you believe in.
Is there a place I can get a copy of the law, the blood and urine test law?
They've got it coming up in the next legislature there, so you can't affect change.
The problem is that the more we fight, the more victories we have for freedom and lower taxation and less intrusive government and less police state, the more they're going to turn up the heat and perhaps engage in provocateur terrorist acts.
But I hear CNN, I've been watching, is having a series on militias and things and showing the worst examples or lying and talking about coming terrorism.
Local media is doing this.
They're preparing people for it.
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That could be a whole show on provocateurs and all the incidents.
But it was a whitewash, but it still admitted that the FBI went out and tried to stir out opposing him.
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The grand dragon of the Wise County Ku Klux Klan was on the FBI payroll, and they created, they were going to blow up a gas well to be a diversion to rob an armor.
The whole thing was just, they basically ended up with four toothless morons in prison.
And this guy's making $1,700 a month from the FBI expense.
I just can't get over that people wouldn't think that the military running down there along the borderline with guns is not a little bit, you know, strange.
Well, the problem is that you've got a very tense situation down the border, and the coyotes, the people that smuggle people over, and the bandits that feed off of the poor Mexican peasants.
That are coming over from the UN biospheres in Mexico.
See, they're forcing the Indians off their property in southern Mexico.
They're all being driven up north to Mexico City, which has grown from about, I forget what, 16 million?
According to PBS, I don't know if it's true, but I know it's grown a lot.
From 16 million to 27 million, it's going to be over 300 million by turn of the century, just in the last 10 years or so.
The UN, under the guise of environmentalism, is forcing the little Indians off their property, and they're selling it off to build condos and stuff, or for mining operations.
So they're coming out there, they're having to get across the border, and there's these bandits that feed off these people who are carrying the little bit of money they have to get into America.
And so a lot of Border Patrol people get shot by those guys, so they're very tense.
But I think it was bad that that happened.
This is just all part of this.
You have displaced masses of refugees from criminal corporations that are, again, not free market, that are fascistic, displacing indigenous peoples.
God, I'm sounding like a total liberal.
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But then you've still got the Marines' story.
I mean, even the DA out there, and also Barry Kaver, a Texas Ranger, to me, he's the most upstanding.
Law enforcement officer in this state, he said that the Marine story did not add up to where they were, where they shot.
And in the part of the back of the book, it has a...
Still for the World Wide Web, Vote Smart, where you can actually get on the Internet and you can get your elected officials, their addresses, their voting records and their biographies and their funding sources, which I thought was really interesting for people to find out exactly, you know.
Who's doing what and what they're supposed to be standing for and so on.
The problem is there's a lot of good people, and we think of ourselves as good and kind, and so somebody gives us an idea in the media of big government to help, and we go for it.
We just don't realize that big government is a lever of control for certain individuals and power bases.
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What do you think it's going to take to get more than 3-4% of the people, like this last election, to get more than 4% of people to go vote?
Are there any more stories you've seen lately that have...
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Well, the gun.
Okay, the executive order to ban the importation of assault rifles.
There's just another little chipping away at that Second Amendment.
There's a brand new one, and I don't have all the particulars, but it's already almost a done deal where the ATF has put into the Federal Register an optional...
place to put your social security number when you buy a shotgun or a rifle and also they're going to do a three-day wait kind of like a Brady too and in May 20th or something like that it becomes law.
See, we don't punish the gang members because we want them out there.
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We let them out of jail.
Let me face this real quick.
This is very important right now.
Apparently they have arrested people and have harassed people enough that the people, like one guy was eating a hot dog, laying on a taxi or something.
He got arrested.
These people turned around.
They sued.
They won.
They won.
They sued.
They said their constitutional rights were violated and all this stuff, and it's not a good law.
The U.S. Supreme Court right now is reviewing that law.
They're looking at to see if it's constitutional, what they need to do about it, if they could get some clear guidelines down, and they're supposed to publish the response.
By 1999, fall of 1999, but this is something at the grassroots level that people need to be aware of.
If you, with all your sisters and your family, maybe y'all are going to a femoral union, y'all are staying on the corner somewhere downtown, heaven forbid, and someone thinks you have a gang member with you.
Yes, they own the Waco Tribune that wrote the sinful Messiah stories to prepare when they were training the terrorism teams.
Not the anti-terrorism teams at Fort Hood.
You have to understand, and I'm sure people out there understand this, is that it is Ann Cox Chambers of Cox News Service owns the Statesman.
And she is pure 100% trilateral commission and CFR. And we just saw Ramsey Clark, our former Attorney General, and he was also in two other administrations.
Well, I'm going to try to put it on better in the future.
There's actually more of that interview.
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Get a Dallas paper and a Houston and an Austin, and when something important's happening, you will see paragraphs, numerous paragraphs usually cut out of the Austin paper, and it'll be the real important part of the story.
Tragic End Revisited00:04:14
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You can do it regular.
How about if we check out this little segment of tape that you have here?
For people that just tuned in, we played what really happened at the Waco Remembrance, April 19th, five years after the fiery conflagration at the church that was burnt to the ground and the lies that came out and the people were machine gunned.
We just showed you attorney generals and producers of documentaries and many others and an FBI agent, ex-FBI agent out there blabbering and soft soaking.
Here is the 24 piece, which was actually better than some of the other pieces, actually, but it's still not good enough.
It's almost worse to come out and kind of placate and say, well, mistakes were made, but blah, blah, blah.
Either come out with the truth, don't give us half-truths, because those are the worst.
We'll be right back in about two, three minutes.
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It's to remember what happened and to continue to ask why.
It's an image burned into the memory of America.
Five years ago today, fire consumed the Mount Carmel Center near Waco with 80 people inside.
It was the tragic end to a 51-day standoff after federal agents tried to arrest David Koresh on weapons charges.
In tonight's top story, KB24's Danny Hermosillo tells us now the Davidians have found some unlikely allies for their cause.
The tragic end to the Branch Davidian standoff still takes its toll among the survivors.
David Koresh, United States.
Sheila Martin and others remember these names as friends, children, and spouses.
Many times I think of it as like I've really been like in a continual funeral.
It's like I live it every day.
I see the faces.
There's a new face on the scene of the standoff.
Mount Carmel now houses a museum that attracts those searching for the truth behind the tragedy.
That search has drawn some unlikely supporters.
We have to engage in the struggle for the duration until the truth is known.
Former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark now represents the surviving Davidians in their wrongful death suit against the government.
It's not a matter of taking sides.
It's not the government against the people or the people against the government.
It's the people's government working for the rights of the people.
That's where I recover the majority of the body.
Ferris Rookstool also defends Davidians.
All the women and children were kind of huddled up into this corner section.
The former FBI agent recovered many of the bodies and gathered the evidence after the fire.
He says the government mishandled the situation.
There were major mistakes made in this case, not only from the way things were handled, but the way things were negotiated and the way things were affected in the form of trying to take control of the crime scene.
These 82 trees were planted as living memorials to the Branch Davidians killed during the standoff.
And as they continue to grow, so does the myths surrounding the siege.
But maybe in time there will be a blade of truth as to what really happened.
In Waco, Daniel Mosillo, KV24 News.
Four ATF agents were also killed during the initial raid on Mount Carmel.
Seven Branch Davidians are serving terms from 15 to 40 years for either killing those officers or other weapons charges.
They have editors, they have producers, and the people that are subconscious, subconsciously understand the way the game is played, or actually consciously, I hope it's subconscious, and just go along and don't rock the boat.
It's kind of like being popular in high school.
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Yeah, that way they might work their way up to New York City.
Alex, let me get this out.
In the Federal Register, pages 8379-8386.
It was put in February 19th.
This is the Brady II. So, folks, you can look it up.
I'm from Tennessee, and I just checked in here in the area and seen you on television.
I wanted to mention that last year...
I had an incident with the police here in Texas, and what I did is I turned myself in on some old warrants, and the police officers seemed to act as though me not having an ID was a crime in itself.
And I was just curious on what you all, is it in fact a crime not to have a state ID? Well, it's not constitutionally a crime, but yes, they told me when I got arrested at the DPS for refusing a thumb scan at a protest that we had that, hey, you don't have to have a license.
But I can't drive.
They take my right to travel if I don't submit to this thumb scan.
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That's what these people are fighting, this right to travel deal.
Yes, the way to get along is to submit and bend over and lubricate yourself well.
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And it was as if it was showing that, well, this information is...
Gathered on you, and it's a fact of life, so accept it.
But what bothered me, ironically, the following day, I called a bank that had sent me a pre-approved visa for, you know, a real high-limit platinum visa.
And I said, well, I'll just cut down to one credit card, because I believe debt is slavery.