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Adventures in HellwQrld Episode 38: Trump's Pants with Dapper Gander

Trump thinks a coup will reinstall him into power and some of his flunkies are willing to tell him that. Trump also may or may not have worn his pants backwards. Join the crew and guest host Dapper Gander for the discussion on these vital issues. Get bonus content on PatreonSupport this show http://supporter.acast.com/hellwqrld. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Hello everybody!
I am Mike Rains, a.k.a.
Poker and Politics, and welcome to another episode of Adventures in Hellworld.
I am joined, as always, by Sarge.
Hello from the internet.
And you can find him on Twitter, it's at hellworldsarge.
And I'm also joined by the mysterious Elle.
Bonjour, my beautiful babies.
Ooh, French today.
You can enjoy our Parisian friend Elle on Twitter, at hellworldelle.
And we are also now joined by guest host, Dapper Gander.
Greetings programs.
Wow.
And you can find Dapper Gander obviously on Twitter at Dapper Gander.
So this week we're going to be starting off by talking about the sort of struggle for power in the QAnon world on Telegram and Gab and the other social media platforms where those terrible people are allowed to be located.
And because we have to dig into QAnon, that means we have to play a content warning.
Content warning.
The Adventures in Hellworld podcast talks in depth about QAnon, which means we have to talk about all kinds of child abuse and violence against people.
Listener discretion advised.
So there's a battle for the control of QAnon?
The fight atop racist mountain?
Well, I would say it's probably a continuation of the latest skirmish in an ongoing war, really.
Yeah.
Okay.
I am interested.
To quote our friend from that Godzilla movie, let them fight.
The one thing I really enjoyed when I was digging into this was the fact that there was a place that was selling Trump coins, quote unquote.
The first one's free, but you have to pay $10 shipping and handling for it.
But they would give you multiple Trump coins, free shipping and handling, and then each Trump coin you bought was basically $10.
Can you break down the factions for me, video game style?
Like an intro?
Who's fighting for what?
And how racist are they?
Well, there's the sort of original crew of QAnon influencers who were banned off of Twitter and relocated to Telegram following extraterrestrial over there.
Their faction in this particular fight is and has been led by Jordan Sather, the least likely person, I would say, to fight against grifting in QAnon, as he himself is a alternative health grifter.
Well, at least he's not trying to sell us coins.
True, he is very upset about the people who are trying to sell coins.
Coins don't do anything, you rube.
Endlessly fascinated by QAnon's obsession with special coins.
Okay, so we have Jordan Sather and the originals, original recipe.
And then we've got basically all the extremist groups and neo-Nazi groups who were already on Telegram, who have been biding their time for months to finally make their pitch.
Oh, boy.
Can you give me the elevator pitch from the racists?
The actual Nazis?
Sure.
It's pretty easy, actually.
So, Mike, I want you to say anything you want.
Pick something to say about the cabal.
Just say any blanket statement about the cabal.
Blood-drinking baby eaters.
Oh, you mean the Jews?
Like, that's literally the neo-Nazi pitch, is just to pick anything QAnon says and say,
who you're talking about is the Jews.
I'm glad that Sarge decided to use our first guest host as an opportunity to dust off his own chestnut
of throwing an improv prompt to someone that's essentially, hey, be racist.
Be racist real quick.
I didn't do it.
You asked for the elevator pitch for neo-Nazis.
I feel like we could have conjured that in our mind's eye.
Our audience needs to know what they're saying.
And it worked.
It did indeed.
I couldn't have teed that up any better.
Oh my god.
That was literally blood libel.
Probably the most famous, right now anyway, the most famous and popular of that faction, because the neo-Nazis themselves are still staying pretty camouflaged.
They don't have neo-Nazi screen names or anything.
They just look like anybody else on Telegram.
They're on Telegram.
Their current mouthpiece is probably the mind-bogglingly popular QAnon figure known as Ghost Ezra.
Oh yeah, we know well of Ghost Ezra.
Over the course of the month of May and now into June, he has very literally started by just asking questions and now, you know, he is putting out posts that say, you know, the truth is always anti-Semitic and stuff like that.
I mean, he's gone completely mask off in the last month.
Which is ironic for him because he is convinced that high profile politicians are people in masks.
It's true.
It's true.
Joe Biden is a hologram and also James Wood in a Joe Biden suit at the same time.
He's a hologram James Woods inside of a Biden skin suit.
He's a life model decoy.
He's all of this.
Ghost Ezra will never not entertain me.
And the mask thing is just so wild.
So we have the originals with Jordan Sather.
We have Ghost Ezra and the nouveau Nazis.
And then we've got the shockingly low effort grifters, which Mike mentioned.
I mean, the people who show up just long enough to get 20 or 25,000 QAnon followers by talking about what's coming and being pro Flynn and being pro JFK and then all of a sudden they pivot and it's like, hey, do you like JFK?
I've got some 50 cent pieces.
So, yeah, one of the big JFK LARP channels on Telegram is now pitching his own private stash of 1965 John F. Kennedy half dollars, which to be fair, yes, that was the last year that the silver content was really high.
I mean, those coins are, in fact, a lot of silver.
My uncle when I was growing up always told me anytime I ran into a pre-1965 coin, I should stick it in a box someplace.
But the grift comes in is that he is Directing Anons to click on a link to his storefront, which not only will collect their email, which is valuable, obviously, but the half dollars are listed at a retail price of $49.99 on sale, I think, for $22.99 or $19.99.
I don't remember off the top of my head.
What a bargain!
That's almost half off.
Well, it is.
You're just giving them away.
It's true.
But their store value, you can just go to eBay and get one for $10 or $12 if you really want one.
They're really missing out on not doing it for $22.17.
Just hitting those dopamine receptors with those $17s.
That's a poor play by the scammers there.
those dopamine receptors with those 17s.
That's a poor play by the scammers there.
For the low, low price of $14.88, you should be owed JFK Jibby-Wide Silver half dollar.
Woof.
Woof.
Absolutely.
Oh, man.
If you buy 109 coins, we'll give you the 110th one for free.
Oh, damn.
That's a deep cut and I hate it.
Yes.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
The Patriot Special by 1776.
Yeah.
Oh, all of that.
The one thing I saw that was like so Just viciously grifting was they were talking about a portrait of Trump.
And I love the fake tweets they put in.
There was like a fake tweet of Nancy Pelosi going, I hate this portrait of Trump.
It is bad.
And then like Dan Scavino or some hero of QAnon being like, the portrait of Trump is good and I like it.
And then- And every patriot should have one.
It is.
Every patriot should have one.
Exactly.
There's five.
They're all in my bathroom.
So he's looking at me from every angle every time I go into my bathroom.
In one of the rare moments where I'm going to defend this type of people, it turns out that even we can be hoodwinked by the internet furor over something wacky happening online, which we'll get to once we start covering the news.
But us cucked liberals are not immune to internet disinformation.
Oh, certainly not.
We're just willing to admit when we're wrong.
Right.
So we have three big factions.
We have the coin salesmen, the nouveau Nazis, and the originals, which are not the vampires.
They're original QAnons.
Wow.
And they're all fighting, not necessarily.
The coin dealers and the neo-Nazis do not care about one another, like, at all.
It's basically they have now intruded into the space, and the long-time QAnon promoters have They have their concerns.
But again, let's be absolutely clear.
They are not all that concerned about their followers spending their money on worthless coins or You know, actually hating the Jews.
That is not their concern.
Their concern is that these people make the QAnon movement look bad.
That's literally the beginning and end of the vast majority of their concerns that they express.
They're not wrong.
No, they're not wrong.
Well, they're wrong in the sense that they say look bad versus look more bad.
Look worse. Yeah.
I'm sure QAnon followers would be doing just a dandy job making themselves look bad,
even if they weren't trying to sell me $40 JFK coins or trying to tell me that all Jews are the enemy.
Well, I mean, one of the things that's really interesting, for example, about Jordan,
Jordan has very specific complaints about certain things that he views as being damaging to the QAnon brand,
including the sort of whole global currency reset, you know, Nisara and Gisara and the Iraqi Dinar scam.
And he'll call those all out by name.
But when GhostEzra started Really doing Holocaust denial and bringing up the JQ.
Suddenly, Jordan's concerns were much more nebulous and it became, well, this guy is a purveyor of disinformation and he makes QAnon look bad.
But strangely, Jordan did not ever directly say, what?
Ghost Ezra was saying that he objected to.
Oh, I mean, that's QAnon to a T. They will never say what the difference is.
This is wrong.
They'll never say exactly what's wrong, much like the dates keep moving.
No, no, no.
We can't get too specific.
Sarge, you're meant to do your own research about what is wrong.
Just do your own research, man.
You'll find out the truth.
Real quick, what is the Iraqi Dinar scam?
Very briefly, it is a currency scam in which the Iraqi Dinar is essentially valueless.
I mean like – Oh, I'm aware.
I have quite a bit in my closet.
Right.
Good.
That's a wise move for the future because according to the people who promote the Iraqi Dinar theory is that when there is a global currency revaluation, I don't know who they think is going to do it now.
I mean, it used to be that Trump was going to do it and maybe it will be Trump does it when he's reinstated at the end of the year.
But he's going to reinstate the Iraqi dinar as being worth not zero.
It will be worth a dollar or it will be worth whatever, 75 cents or $2 or whatever.
And suddenly, your grandmother who spent $100 to buy 50 million dinars will be rich.
Everyone will be rich.
Well, what about the Saddam ones?
All my Iraqi dinar has Saddam on it.
Ooh, I don't know.
I'd have to do further research on that one.
Hashtag dinar is the new doge.
We're going to ride this dinar all the way to the moon.
We're going to the moon.
And I did not spend $100 on it.
A guy just gave it to me for a dollar.
I gave him one American dollar and he gave me like, I think it's over half a million dinar because you're gonna make out like a bandit.
Oh, yeah.
No, I am rich.
We're riding this to Mars.
Me and Elon.
That's why the FBI showed up at your house that one time.
They knew you had a big closet full of dinar.
They wanted in on the action.
That was a very awkward day.
Yeah, we made it to almost episode 40, but we finally did it.
We finally pilled Sarge.
Sarge now wants to believe Sarge is gonna be rich one day!
His ship is gonna come in!
Yeah, that was a weird day.
An FBI agent came to my door, knocked and said, Hi, are you Sarge?
And I go, Yes.
Yes, I am.
Okay, well, I'm the new FBI agent in town.
They sent me out with this list of 24,000 Americans, you're on it, that ISIS has labeled to be a threat.
It's because you have so many DNRs.
Yes.
They know about my DNR, bud.
And it made me feel real good.
I go, is this because I was with military intelligence? And he
goes, you were in the army. And I was like, Oh, boy, you guys
are doing a bang up job. He goes, Here's my card. I just transferred offices. So I had to write my new number on it.
And he crossed out the old number and written in the new one.
And I was like, I feel very good about this. And then like
three months later, military and army intelligence called me. And
And they were like, we're going through the list.
I was like, yeah, the FBI already talked to me.
And they're like, oh, they did?
Good.
I was like, it's good to get confirmation because from your description, it sounds like that FBI guy went back out to the street and got into a van that's marked free candy and drove away.
Yeah, I was about to say, like, I said something similar when I first heard this story.
I was like, man, without the army backing it up, it sure sounded like if you ever called that FBI agent's number, he was going to try to sell you some JFK coins.
Exactly.
We're right into the plot of sneakers at this point.
Sneakers!
He'd be like, I've got a big pile of these JFK coins.
I'd be happy to sell them to you for all that DNR I know you've got in your closet.
You wouldn't happen to have any.
So when the global currency reset happens, what happens to the confederate dollar?
Because my grandmother had a chest of that in her attic.
I do not believe that is currently wrapped up in the global currency reset scheme.
The telegram people have to love that.
There's no way it's not part of it.
I mean, maybe if we talked to the Nazi faction, they'd have a different answer for us.
Reichmarks, yeah.
I actually right now have some Italian currency from the Second World War that my grandfather had taken with him from the war.
So I have all these like crinkly old Italian dollar bills.
I think I have some like French money from the 1940s and some coins.
So I too might become something of a power player.
Not on the level of Sarge, who's basically going to be the new Elon Musk.
Saddam Dinar.
This is important.
These all have Saddam's face on it.
They feel like the cheapest paper ever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think Elsinum.
I had him with me when we lived together.
You know, the real tragedy about this whole conversation is that somewhere in an old attic in a house I used to live in is my binder of Pokemon cards.
And it turns out the global currency reset for those has happened.
And it is a real thing.
If I could find those Pokemon cards again, I would never have to do this podcast again.
I'd be going to space with Jeff Bezos.
I've still got my full set of dual lands, so I'm ready.
Oh, wow!
Those have gone up just a bit.
They have.
Are they 3rd edition or beta or anything like that?
Are they black border?
Mine are a mix.
I mean, I started playing way back in the day, so I have a couple.
I don't have any alphas, but I have some betas.
A lot of my stuff is unlimited.
The beta red white one, they lost the original artwork for it.
So they've never been, if even if they could reprint it, it always has different artwork because it just doesn't exist anymore.
Someone like threw it out.
If it were possible for us to have real-time listener metrics, like, you know, as we're recording the show, like right now, that dip would be... People would be like, what the fuck are they... What is a duel, Ed?
What the fuck are they talking about?
Dude, one of my... Welcome to The Rock, our MTG podcast within a podcast.
One of my favorite memories ever, when I look back on my misspent youth, was how nervous I was about giving someone $20 for a time walk.
I was like, that seemed like so much money back in the day.
I had never bought a card for that much money.
And of course, you know, now it seems I would do that a hundred times.
Now we got Logan Paul walking out with a six-figure Charizard around his neck to box Floyd Mayweather.
A dance recital with Floyd Mayweather.
Yeah, honestly, that guy is human garbage.
But that being said, I did like the Charizard power move.
Like him showing up and he's just like, yeah, this is the equivalent.
Like, you know how Thundercat has that blinged out Diamond Vegeta pendant?
Well, that's the equivalent these days.
He's just got like a $400,000 Pokemon card around his neck.
Oh my God.
Oh, we're all big nerds and it's good to hear.
Do we want to go to the news now that we've talked about global currency and Pokemon cards?
Nope.
I'd rather just keep talking about this.
In the other window up, I have Imperial Recruiters on eBay.
I was seeing what they were up to.
So like, I'll keep rocking.
So I am going to make the executive decision to go into the news.
It's time for some cues in the news.
From the digital headlines to the digital front lines, it's Q's in the news.
Oh, man. Up first, Trump 2021. He's back. He's coming back.
I don't know.
He never left.
Yeah. Oh, you're right. You're right. Yes.
AKA the hunt for orange October.
Or I guess orange August.
Oh, yeah. That's the best part about this is QAnon has so many dumb slogans for all the months
so you have August is traditionally very hot and then they can have the hunt for red October.
I mean, it's just never going to stop. We're just going to constantly have
Like these people explaining how this is the month that Trump's going to retake office.
So explain to us that process, Mike.
How is Trump's presidency impending?
So basically what's going to happen is, according to these people, the Arizona audit is going to uncover so much fraud that other states will freak out about Pennsylvania being their prime candidate because it's the biggest electoral vote state that was controversial.
Then Pennsylvania will flip.
Then Georgia will flip.
Then they'll basically admit California flipped.
And at some point, the Supreme Court or some other entity will, out of a deep and abiding sense of shame, make Biden step down.
And he'll be like, oh, you got me.
Womp womp.
And then Trump will become president again due to Keebler magic.
Yeah, I feel like this is an opportunity for JFK Jr.
to pop out of Mount Rushmore and declare that Trump is president again.
It's all, they seem to think it all operates under WWE rules where Trump can just run out and just be like, it's mine now.
And he just jumps in the ring and just captures the money in the bank and becomes president again.
The problem with that is that I'm not convinced Donald Trump could get to a wrestling ring, much less get in a wrestling ring.
He was whining about the ramp a couple days ago!
He's still angry about people bringing up the fact that he had a tough time making it down that gentle incline.
It'd be like Stone Cold like running into the rig and like jumping up on the turnbuckle and smashing a couple of beers into his face, except it would be Donald Trump slowly walking to the rig and then looking at it and then deciding, like thinking better of it, and just sitting down in a chair next to the rig.
I'm on record!
Oh no, I was just going to say, to be fair, Trump is still angry at Spy Magazine's editors for saying he had tiny hands 30 years ago.
Was that 30 years ago?
It's got to have been at this point.
I assumed it was a more recent thing because he was still complaining about it.
Hold on.
You continue.
I will interrupt in a minute once I've pulled that up.
I'll tell you exactly how long ago it was.
Yeah, please do.
I'm on the record as saying I've always thought that anytime there's Perceived irregularities in the presidential election should be settled with a cage match.
Or a suitcase match?
Either one, you know?
It's really just amazing that they... This is like, again, Trump believes all of this because the MyPillow guy has been screaming it, and because Trump's a dumb narcissist that will take any good news and make it reality for himself.
Like, the MyPillow guy even said, yeah, Trump probably believes he's gonna be president again in August, because I've been telling him he'll be president again in August.
Like, this is just people flattering a dumb person.
Do you guys remember five years ago when we didn't have to care about the MyPillow guy?
Holy shit.
I was just thinking of that.
I was literally just being like, God, I never knew.
I'd seen a MyPelo commercial and like, I knew he existed, but I couldn't, like, give two shits about him.
And now he has the ear of a man- Now he's a Kingmaker!
Yeah, now he has the ear of a man who had his finger on the button.
And it's just- Oh my God.
He's talking about running for governor of Minnesota.
My pillow guy is going to throw his hat in the ring and try to become the governor of the land of the Vikings and the Twins and other teams that don't win anything ever.
Well, I mean, how easy we forget how Billy Mays, God rest and keep him, was the one who got Obama into office.
I'm gonna show you this president, this candidate.
If you are ready, Sarge, I am ready to blow your mind.
Okay. Hold on.
It was 32 years ago, 1989.
1989 was when Spy Magazine coined the phrase, short-fingered vulgarian to describe Donald Trump, and he has never gotten over it.
What?
What?
He brought that up on the campaign trail.
Yeah.
He's just a miserable, petty man trying to settle all the grievances he's ever had in his life.
Hey, if he wants me to think that he's got big hands, he can solve that problem real easy by just palming a basketball.
Just palm a basketball, Trump.
Just do it.
Prove how mighty your hands are.
Here's giant president paws.
Trump's like, oh God, I've got the hands of a Chinese soldier.
It's crazy.
They're so huge and muscular and filled with tea!
And bamboo is on the ballots in Arizona.
He doesn't have hands as big as the man that slapped Macron in the face, though.
I mean, I'm not sure how big that guy's hands are, but he does have some pretty big balls.
Just go up and slap the president in the mouth.
Bam!
Yeah, that seems like a good way to die.
It's a great way to end up in jail for sure, if not getting shot.
I mean, speaking from back when President Ford had to duck out on two assassination attempts in two weeks, she pulled a gun on him and didn't even fire anything.
She just had nine Secret Service agents dogpile her.
Was that one of the Manson girls?
Yes, that was one of the Manson girls, yeah.
It should come as no surprise that this man is a paragon of bravery.
As it turns out, I read this morning in Reuters that he is a practitioner of European martial arts and traditional swordsmanship.
Yes, yes, you said this before the show and I was like, I hope he has a source.
This is amazing.
So who said chivalry's dead?
Maybe he was just trying to challenge Macron to a duel.
Yeah, does Macron have to fight him with, like, pistols at dawn?
Or no, he's medieval martial arts.
It's swords.
It could be or a rousing game of Settlers of Catan.
The guy also is the president of a local board game club called the Knights of the Square Table, according to Reuters.
You shut up.
I did see one of the articles, somebody was quoted as referring to this guy as a bit of a geek and a bit of a gamer.
Why?
Okay, why did he slap the French president in the face?
Besides being awesome?
Because he robbed his oar.
He was like, fuck you!
I have not heard the I've not heard the motive for this attack yet.
Oh, do we not know?
Oh, no.
Lord knows.
I mean, it's kind of one of those things where, like, has this guy... I don't think this guy's been able to give a public statement about, like, what's been behind it.
And I don't think I've heard anything from, like, any of his, like, I don't know, family or friends being like, hey, this is why our buddy put some knuckle jammers to Macron's chin, as it were.
Well, apparently before the slap, he did shout two phrases according to Reuters.
He shouted, down with Macronia.
Okay.
And he shouted, Montjoie Saint-Denis, the battle cry of the French army during the time that France was a monarchy.
Either that or he considers that he believes that Macron is acting like a monarch.
I'm not sure if he's pro or against.
I mean, based on his love of medieval swordplay, I'd say probably pro, right?
That sword definitely in his wheelhouse.
I have to assume so.
I know France has a ton of internal problems.
I know the firefighters led riots.
And just any number of political issues that don't always make it like big news, because we're a freaking circus here in America.
But I figured he was any sort of social reformer.
But yeah, wow.
It has been reported that the man's social media accounts retweeted monarchist groups, but Reuters says they could not corroborate because the accounts have now been made private.
Oh, that's unfortunate.
I want this guy to be a hardcore monarchist.
I mean, that's basically what QAnon is in America, where they want Trump to be the God Emperor and to bestow the presidency either to his progeny or to his hand-picked successor, General Flynn.
So, I mean...
It's not like this kind of mentality is not something we're dealing with in the world today, which is something, again, I thought the whole point of 1776 and all that stuff was freedom and a republic and all that kind of stuff, but not so much anymore.
They just know buzzwords.
They don't know what they mean or the origins.
Oh, I mean, they love the idea of freedom as long as it's like freedom, but coming from the guys that I like who hate abortion and Jews and stuff.
Yeah, and not any of those foreigners.
Yeah, certainly no colored people.
Get out of your bullshit.
Yeah.
So yeah, the other thing about this whole Trump 2021 plan is that there are folks in QAnon and in the right wing who understand that this is all a fantasy, that Mike Lindell's plan to make the Supreme Court reinstall Trump as president has no constitutional provision to it.
There's no actual there there.
Yeah, there's no mechanism.
So there's no mechanism.
So there are folks who have decided to look for a mechanism and the mechanism they've come up with so far is that Trump, the first idea, and I've actually, some guy did a call-in interview with Trump and talked him up about this, was having Trump run for the House of Representatives in Florida, and obviously run in some blood-red district.
I read this article, yeah.
And then Trump becomes a member of the House, then gets voted as Speaker of the House, and then we impeach Biden and Harris and remove them from office, and then Trump becomes President by line of succession.
Which is a quote-unquote mechanism, but if, let's just say, let's just walk down this yellow brick road, as it were, where Trump becomes Speaker of the House.
They then try to impeach Biden and Harris.
This fails because you'll never convict them in the Senate.
Now you're going to have QAnon and all of these other crazy people being like, hey, the deep state won't let us impeach them.
If only there was some other way to remove them from office and make Trump president.
If only there was.
If only the peaceful research movement could think of a way to do this thing.
And that's where this is going to go.
I mean, they're going to start talking about this.
If they ever go down the road of making Trump the Speaker and so on and so forth, they're going to start talking about the fact that, well, we just, I don't know, shoot those two people.
We get our boy back in office.
Waka waka.
The old Second Amendment remedy.
Right.
Second Amendment solution to a bad presidency, as it were.
This seems like a pretty long-term solution to get this thing done for somebody who is, like, old and out of shape.
And still supposed to be the president.
Help me out here real quick.
To become Speaker of the House, wouldn't the Republicans have to have the majority?
Yes.
The Republicans have to win the House.
Then they have to vote for Trump to be the Speaker, which would basically mean like Kevin McCarthy and everyone else who's had longstanding tenure in the House and are the minority leader or are GOP leadership in the House.
They all have to defer to Trump.
who you know will literally do nothing with the speakership.
He'll go golfing. He'll just say, hey, guys, tell me when you reinstall me as president. I'm
going to go hit the links.
And they're going to have to actually run the house while Trump waits for, quote unquote,
impeachment to happen to Biden and Harris, as it were.
What is the Democratic maturity right now?
It's not big.
It's slim.
Eight seats?
Okay.
I thought it was wildly impossible.
So it's not the most insane thing, but it's pretty fucking insane.
Yeah.
I mean, to me, the most insane part is the idea that the Republicans... I don't think the Republicans want to, quote-unquote, like, nationalize the vote being this referendum on Speaker Trump, because they kind of lost The last election based on being Trump versus a sack of wet mice as it were America voted aggressively for the sack of wet mice.
So I think that they want to run against like just Critical race theory and all the other nonsense buzzwords they think they can use to scare people into voting for them.
They don't want to actually have anything that they can actually be tied to.
They want to run in opposition to something.
They don't want to run for something.
And the last thing they want to run for is Donald Trump, the guy who lost the last election by 8 million votes because people were sick of his shit.
I think you mean Donald Backwards Pants Trump.
Good ol' Donald Christopher Cross Trump.
So yes, our beautiful baby boy, our former president, was on the stage in North Carolina and Is that the story now?
were inconceivably, impossibly wrinkled.
I mean, I don't even understand how you could fuck your pants up this bad
to the point where they could look this bad on your legs.
Is that the story now?
Is that what we're going with?
Well, I mean, were his pants on backwards or?
The wrinkles were what started the whole backward pants thing.
Yeah, what started it was them being impossibly tight at the top and impossibly loose below mid-thigh.
Like, just parachute pants loose.
Yeah, his pants were like, if they were not on backwards, which again, we've had our bettors come down and swear they were not on backwards.
Like, how is this man who is allegedly a billionaire and at the very least a millionaire who was the fucking president and could probably have someone tailor a suit for him if need be.
How could he have his pants be just, just so ridiculously clingy and tight to his legs?
And whatever the hell was going on with them was so bizarre that people, exposing the theory that they were on backwards and he was wearing a diaper and he soiled himself.
I mean, you've seen pictures of his apartments, right?
The man has money, but he has no taste.
No, absolutely none.
And he has those, and his need for his giant long ties that are just absurd.
And the video that came out mostly, there were people who said there probably was some blurring in it that made it look like he didn't have a fly or a zipper on the pants.
And then I've heard people saying, oh no, there was no fly on it and that's legitimate.
And then Snopes came out with photos and saying that there was that.
And then you had more people coming out, just tut-tutting and finger-waving at all the people talking about Trump's pants.
Like, for shame, you no-good meanies talking about Trump's pants.
You're as bad as QAnon.
You're awful.
And to that, I would say, we suffered under this guy for four years and a lot longer than that, as it were.
Like, taking the piss out of Donald Trump isn't nearly being as bad as QAnon.
We're not accusing this guy of eating babies.
Yeah, and I had to sit through a whole news cycle of Obama's tan suit.
Yeah, I'd be much less diplomatic about it.
My response to those people would be like, hey, fuck you.
He and the people that support him are the ones that have put him in a position where when a story comes across my Twitter feed that says, yo, Donald Trump is wearing his pants backwards at this rally, my initial reaction is not, That's bullshit.
You know what I mean?
My first thought is just like, oh really?
That's crazy.
I need to look into this because it sounds plausible because Donald Trump has proven himself to be unhinged and just a loose cannon.
You have no idea what he's capable of.
He could have got out there with his pants backwards.
It's like all the people that were mad at me for being mad at WandaVision for not paying off any of the stuff it set up.
It's like, this is not me, my expectations being too high.
This is me being pissed off that they're dangling a carrot away from me and then when I get up to the carrot, it's just like a wooden stick painted orange or whatever.
Get the fuck out of here.
And, and this also, like, leads to the whole thing that there is this, uh, community of what I would consider to be, like, kind of an actual Blueanon.
Because I've heard people talk about, like, oh, Blueanon, you crazy people.
You think all this stuff is going to happen.
Oh, you're all just kooky, crazy QAnon people, but for the left.
And I think the actual, like, biggest real chunk of Blueanon that exists out there is the people that believe in the idea that Trump is suffering from dementia.
And that any day now, he is just going to absolutely fall apart and become a gibbering moron.
And that it will be something that can't be hidden.
And that the Trump family and everyone's going to come out and be like, look, Pop Pop has the dementia.
We did our best to try to help him with it, but now it's too far advanced.
And now he has to go up to the farm upstate to just like live out his last days before it finally finishes him off.
Oh, if he loses it, they just put him in a hole somewhere, Man in the Iron Mask style.
We'll never see him again.
I mean, I don't think it's necessarily dementia, but I'm pretty sure, like, the difference between Trump's mental faculties failing him as a wacky conspiracy theory for Blue Anon, And all the stuff that QAnon espouses is that there's, like, some evidence to support that.
I mean, you could watch videos of Donald Trump speaking for the past 40 years and notice that he's somehow much worse at it now than he was back then, which is weird because he's the president, right?
It's not without precedent, either.
Within our own, well, maybe not your lifetimes, you crazy kids.
But within my lifetime, certainly, Ronald Reagan was treated the same way.
There was all sorts of speculation about whether or not he was losing his faculties and everyone said, no, no, no, no, no, of course not.
And then as soon as he was out of the White House, Uh, you know, we regret to inform the country that, uh, that yes, he's suffering from progressive Alzheimer's.
So, I mean, yeah, it's, uh, it's definitely a conspiracy theory, but like the really good conspiracy theories, it's, uh, it's rooted in something.
Yeah, like, there was a time in Reagan's second term where he had advisors who were quietly murmuring to each other that we might have the 25th Amendment, this guy, because he's not with it anymore.
And they apparently went into, like, some big cabinet meeting that day, like, looking at him.
But Reagan showed up and was, like, really sharp, had all the facts and figures in front of him, like, did a bang-up job.
Like, okay, okay, Ronnie's with it.
He'd just spoken to his astrologer.
Yeah, he just Mercury was in retrograde.
He was feeling really pumped about it.
Everything was going good.
So yeah, his Reiki specialist had realigned his chakras or whatever those Oh, no, that's not a joke.
He had an astrologer.
Yeah.
I knew that what you were saying wasn't a joke.
I was sort of yes ending that factual information with a joke.
I was like, wouldn't it be funny if he had an even crazier thing there and Sarge was just like, stop the fucking presses!
That astrology shit is real!
It is, it's even more scary than a joke.
Yeah, but the presidency ages anyone.
You look at Obama on his first day, and then on his last day, and he's noticeably older.
The same with Clinton and W. And even with Trump fucking off to golf every other day, there's no way you can dodge the stress of the highest office in the land.
Well, that's a really funny thing with QAnon, is that they actually do have photos like that.
They're like, Obama day one, Obama last day.
Like, all these people.
And basically, they think that Trump did not age during his presidency.
Their mindset is that Trump was so stressless, because he had everything under control, that he had the plan.
See, that's a funny way to spin.
Trump already looked like shit when he made a ton of money.
And I think that's the big thing is that what else said is that like Obama and Clinton and W were in their 40s or 50s when they got in and we saw them like age a decade where you actually age up a bunch, whereas Trump got into office in his 70s and left office at like 74.
So it's like you don't really age up that much when you hit 70 and you tick over to 74.
I mean, if Biden only serves one term, He's not going to look that much different between now and 2025.
Yeah, but to be fair, that has a lot to do with our current level of mask technology.
I thought you were going to go adrenochrome, but I will accept mask.
The scientists of AIM have been working real hard on their life model decoys.
And I don't remember the super science agency from Mission Impossible, but they're working real hard on their masks as well.
Yeah, but maybe it's that technology from face-off that they just had for like no reason.
I guess in theory for espionage, but man, what a niche espionage market that would be.
We need to replace your face with somebody else's.
So if we have face-off technology confirmed, who do they take Biden's face off of and put on?
Not Trump, not James Woods.
Who's number three?
Who would be number three on that list?
It would be Flynn, right?
He's like an old man.
They could just rip Biden's face right off his skull, throw on Flynn's, or do whatever.
Put a microchip in his throat.
That would be fine.
Yeah, I was going to say Flynn or DeSantis because those are their two new rising stars, their two new heroes they want.
Well, actually, I mean, this is – I hate even starting a phrase with actually.
Ghost Ezra has proposed that DeSantis is actually Trump in a mask so that he can run for president in 2024 and no one will realize it's Trump and then we'll have a second Trump term.
Yes, I saw it where it was basically like Trump was taking the DeSantis suit out for a spin, as it were.
Because DeSantis mimics Trump because he's trying to do all the gestulation and hand motions of Trump to trigger the QAnon lizard brain and make them see him as the new Alpha.
And it's working apparently, just a little bit too well.
Right.
But instead of seeing it as, oh, look at DeSantis, they're like, that's actually Trump wearing a DeSantis mask.
These conservative conspiracy theorists are really shooting the moon, so to speak, when it comes to super science technology.
Funny you should say that.
I definitely couldn't have done better.
No.
So, Sarge, the floor.
Yeah, that was me setting you... Have you ever seen volleyball played?
That was me sort of like setting you up for the spike on that segue.
Well, I'm very interested in shooting the moon and changing its orbit.
I still don't understand this.
We played the clip earlier.
I still don't understand what this lunatic is saying about changing its orbit.
Does he want to put a rocket on it?
Does he want to actually shoot it?
Anything's for grabs here.
Yeah.
So, Dapper, you have this actual quote from our beloved Louie Gohmert, a tender of the God and Patriots rally in Texas, and thusly totally not associated with QAnon in any way, shape, or form.
I do, yes.
The quote is, I understand from what's been testified to that the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management, you want very much to work on the issue of climate change.
I was informed by the immediate past director of NASA that they found that the moon's orbit is changing slightly, and so is the Earth's orbit around the sun.
We know there's been significant solar flare activity, and so is there anything that the National Forestry Service or the Bureau of Land Management can do to change the course of the Moon's orbit or the Earth's orbit around the Sun?
Because obviously, that would have profound effects on our climate.
What?
Okay, so that quote is crazy, and there's a lot to unpack, but I have to start, number one, with a bullet.
Even if that technology existed and this were a possible thing, there is no fucking way that it falls under the purview of the National Forestry Service!
If there's one thing the moon does not have, it's forests!
That's fucking crazy!
And America is not in charge of the moon by several international treaties.
Wow.
Yeah, you went to the same place as me.
And the Bureau of Land Management, they also, I don't feel like they have the moon changing machine.
Or the rockets that shift the Earth.
In the quote, he actually mentions NASA, you know, the government agency that in theory would be responsible for this, but he just sort of mentions them in passing.
He's like, yeah, I talked to some people at NASA, and what I heard from them is that, hey, National Forest Service, you know, maybe some big rockets or whatever, you know, move that moon?
I'm figuring, like, he should get Bruce Willis on the case, just go up to the moon, and just blow it right out of orbit.
In a wooden rocket ship built by the forestry service.
Like, I don't even know what moving the moon, like moving the moon in any way would have horrific effects on Earth, but I can't think of any of them that would make it colder.
Like if the moon gets much closer, it falls into the Earth, and then it'll get a lot hotter.
Well, let me hit you to this jive, Daddy-O.
Let's move the moon in front of the sun.
Boom.
We just block that sun.
There we go.
Yes.
Just a perpetual solar eclipse.
We just block all that nasty sunlight out, and that'll fix everything.
Yeah, we won't know who started the war, but we will know that it was us who scorched the sky.
Who moved the moon, yes.
Moved the moon.
Yes.
Maybe if we, like, push the moon too far away, it'll, like, totally fuck up the tides of the Earth and make the water incredibly cold, and that will prevent global warming.
I mean, the moon's hollow and filled with Nazis, so can't they just move it?
Or, I mean, we could ask the Pleiadians who are on the dark side of the moon on their moon base, just flip a few switches and move the moon to a more properly Earth-temperate, friendly area.
I actually, a couple years ago at work, Had a coworker talk to me about there being a military base on the dark side of the moon that was, like, internationally run by various countries.
And when I tried to explain to her how that couldn't be possible and it wouldn't happen, she was horrified at my closed-mindedness.
To what end?
What purpose would it serve?
I was trying to explain it to her and she's like, so you don't even think it's possible?
Like, she wanted me to accept possible for the Dark Side of the Moon military base that was under international law or something.
And I just told her, well, what countries are not involved in the Moon base that are willing to keep the Moon base secret from the rest of the world?
Like, if America and Russia and China had a moon base that they were running internationally, wouldn't, like, France and Germany be like, hey, what's going on with that moon base?
We're going to publish the moon base to the rest of the world to let you guys, let everyone know you guys are up to no good on the moon.
Maybe that's why that guy slapped Macron.
He was like, I saw that moon base!
I feel like a lot of the people you're dealing to are, let's just say, of an advanced age.
So the next time you get one of these people spitting any sort of moon conspiracy at you, you need to just start talking to them about the Inhumans.
Because I don't think they're going to be young enough to know that that's a Marvel thing.
So you can just be like, oh yeah, I heard on the dark side of the moon there's a race of genetically altered humans called Inhumans, and they've got this, like, mist that will alter your DNA, because, you know, conspiracy theorists like conservatism, they eat that shit up.
They thought the vaccine was going to alter you.
The Inhumans is a documentary being filmed in real time.
Yeah, absolutely.
Wow.
Good to see we're not the only people still using that Aqua Teen Hunger Force reference.
Disney buried the documentary they filmed of the Inhumans because they didn't want you to know the truth.
Yeah, people would lose their mind if they knew that there were dogs that big in Hawaii.
I heard that the far side of the moon is populated by an alien race called the Kree and their giant living supercomputer is stationed there.
It's called the Blue Zone.
And it's how they monitor us.
I heard the Dark Side of the Moon on weed one time, man.
And it was about the same experience as it was straight.
Did you sync it up with Wizard of Oz?
Yeah, you got to it before me.
I actually did.
Somebody sat me down and forced me to do that.
Like, over the course of my rowdier teen years, I was exposed to A, Dark Side of the Moon and Wizard of Oz while smoking weed.
And it was boring.
And B, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas while on acid.
Also boring.
Yeah, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas is... I get why people like the movie, but it just hits me on a different thing where I'm just like, this is just a couple of weirdos doing dumb shit, and then they get away with it because that's just the way life was back then.
It's just like the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise, right?
It was Johnny Depp just sort of doing a character that was strong enough that he put this whole thing on his back and carried it across the finish line like Samwise Gamgee.
But, you know, that was before Consequence Culture caught up to Johnny Depp, so fuck that guy.
Before Consequence Culture re-then doubled back on his ex-wife.
Yeah.
So wait, I want to try my hand with a smooth transition like our last one.
Don't worry, I don't got him.
Here we go.
Maybe to change the orbit of the moon, we should just launch a bunch of vaccines up there and pull it back down with a giant magnet.
Smart.
That's a good one.
Wait a minute, is the implication here that the vaccines are magnetized?
Funny you should ask.
Yes, according to Dr. Eric Lunschner, I always get that last name wrong because it's like Jewish and I'm terrible at foreign language stuff.
Anyway, Mike Raines, what's up with Sticky Anon this week?
So Sticky Anon has decided that they're going to go above and beyond.
We are now getting a lot of people going to their local state congresses to angrily bang on the table and scream and yell about these vaccines magnetizing people and turning them into just Crazy household appliance container devices, where your forks and spoons just like stick to you out of nowhere.
You're walking around your house looking for your car keys, but they're actually stuck to your forehead.
And you're like, oh shit, I should have known.
I know, all my keys are made from Ferris metals.
Yes, so, and of course, it is helpful to find out if you've been scammed on your 1965 JFK half dollars.
I was just gonna say.
Because the real ones will actually stick to you, whereas the other ones with the low silver content will not.
So we had a woman go before the Ohio State Congress, and she said that keys are magnetizing the people's foreheads.
Because of 5G.
Oh, yes.
It's everything.
These vaccines do it all.
They're incredible.
And then we had the video of the guy putting the metal to his arm.
Look, it sticks to my arm!
And then they were like, sir, can you do that with baby powder on your arm and then stick it to your arm?
Because maybe it's just the fact that you're an unbathed, unclean, just hooligan who's covered in filth.
And that's why the metal's sticking to your arm, is because you have just your natural slimy body oil there.
And then when the baby oil was applied, he had to like hold the object.
He eventually gives up and it just falls off.
But it's it's watch someone die inside.
He just keeps holding it there.
And he just keeps moving it trying to like like it's gonna change.
It was like those those flat earthers in that documentary.
After they use their their laser to prove that the earth is a fat ground.
I feel like the difference between those Flat Earthers and the guy with the key is the guy with the key knows he's lying.
And I think the Flat Earthers doing that laser experiment, some of them anyway, were genuinely surprised it didn't work.
Yeah, you're not wrong.
Some of them certainly were, but I definitely don't think the guy they caught on tape after was just being like, oh boy, it's gonna be hard for us to justify this laser thing.
That guy seemed like he was certainly trying to run some sort of grift on these fools.
Yeah, because that laser was like 15 grand, that laser gyroscope.
Yeah, they kickstarted it.
And then I believe afterwards their solution was to like kickstart some sort of special metal tube to put the laser in.
Oh yeah, to protect it from the god rays.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, we tried the gyroscope and it didn't work.
So then we decided that we needed to put it in a box.
And then that didn't work.
And since we know the Earth isn't rotating, we have to figure out why it's not working.
It's a beautiful closed system.
Like, with all these conspiracies, it's, to what end?
Like, what does anyone get from hiding that the world's flat?
And if the vaccines turned me into Magneto, why would I be upset about that?
That's like, Washington's just giving you free weed if you get vaccinated.
If you told me I'd get superpowers from the vaccine, I want the superpower dose, not the regular made-me-sleep-for-an-entire-day dose.
Well, the thing is, is the flat earth stuff is mostly tied to young earth creationism.
And the fact that when you dig into the Bible and it talks about the earth being put on pillars and foundations and blah, blah, blah, that round earth is a way to secularize our society.
It's a way to pull us away from God by denying us the truth of the flat earth.
Yeah.
Flat Earth denies God is basically the whole concept.
I mean, what it boils down to a lot of times, and this is true for creationists, but it's true in general for conspiracy people, is you can sort of boil it down to a statement, which is, if I'm right about this, then I am right about the other things I believe.
Yeah, everybody wants to feel special.
I know the actual answer, but any amount of critical thinking just infuriates me.
If there's an ice ring around the flat Earth that's keeping all the water in, why aren't we studying that?
Why am I not taking a tour of the ice ring?
Like, it would be amazing and interesting, but God, it's frustrating.
Yeah, I saw someone talk about that, that if the world was flat, then there would be tours to let people look over the edge.
Yeah!
Because who wouldn't pay money for that?
Oh, well, there are those tours, but it's only for the ultra-rich.
Oh, nice.
You have to imbibe enough adrenochrome to... Oh, dibs on DNAR.
Dibs on the DNAR.
We're going.
Sarge, once your DNAR goes straight to the moon, you too will be able to gaze out over the edge of the Earth, the actual literal edge of the Earth into space.
Yeah, why am I not watching David Attenborough narrating the view from the edge?
Like, that would be incredible.
That needs to be a mockumentary of some kind.
View from the edge.
Yeah, view from the edge.
It has to be.
We have to talk about how beautiful the edge of the Earth is.
And the fact that the Earth is this weird flat disk, yet all the other planets and moons in our solar system are spheres.
And everyone accepts that.
Or are fake.
Or they don't exist.
I mean, what I'm really waiting for is for the person to take heliocentrism down a peg or two.
I'm waiting for the Earth as the center of our solar system and the universe.
I'm waiting for that guy to come crawling out of the woodwork.
Well, that was part of the reason why, during a little peek behind the curtain for the listeners, during our pre-pod production meeting, you misspoke and said that guy wanted to change the orbit of the sun.
And I was like, oh, Lord Jesus, they don't even know what the sun is!
It made me so happy for a brief moment before I realized you just misspoke.
Yeah, that's my fault.
Well, I mean, on some of these Flat Earth models, they do think the sun is what's moving.
Or one of those Flat Earth clocks or whatever.
They've got the hands, they've got the sun at the end of one hand and the moon at the end of the other.
Because they're not globes.
Right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well then I guess what we need to do is we need to get in touch with the people responsible for the Flat Earth conspiracy.
The actual people with their hand on the Flat Earth wheel and politely ask them to push their fake sun slightly further away from our disc planet.
It's just like, guys, if you keep warming up the ice rig, all of the water's gonna fall off of Earth into space!
It's gonna run right out, and then the God Diamond will collapse, and the Satan energy will pour in.
Yes.
That sounds like an exact, direct from Genesis, that was incredible scripture quoting from Sarge there.
World-class job.
I have to presume it will have something to do with the black cube of Jupiter, too.
I love Saturnists!
I don't know if you're making that up.
No, it's Saturn, not Jupiter, but yes.
Yes, I am not making it up.
Oh my god, I love conspiracy theories.
Black Cube is one of the things they're obsessed with because basically the Illuminati conspiracy theory has made it such that every geometric shape is evil in some way, shape or form.
Yeah, I was about to say, how bored do you have to be to just be like at home just being like, you know, I wonder what shape all the planets are.
It's like, I mean, there's a ton of evidence to suggest they're all round, but maybe ours is a disc and Saturn's a cube.
Jupiter's like a rhombus.
This sounds like some shit out of Dune.
These are like parts that were cut from Dune.
Or Hitchhiker's Guide, I suppose.
Yeah, no, you got closer without going over.
Yeah, that is absolutely what this is akin to.
I don't know if you guys heard, but back in the day, Pluto, when they revealed that Pluto actually was spherical, that's when scientists determined that it needed to not be a planet anymore.
They were just like, sphere planet?
That shit's played out.
Get it out of here.
Planetoid or bust.
Take that, Pluto.
You sphere that is not a planet, because planets ain't spheres.
And then the Cabal had that.
Adventures of Hellworld, the one podcast not afraid to take Pluto down a bit.
The Cabal produced that amazing Pluto-Nash piece to try and get Pluto back in.
Oh, yikes.
I understand the working draft copy was actually Pluto NASA, and then they just changed the A to conceal it.
Dapper gets me.
Dapper gets my awful jokes.
Ghost Ezra, no jokes, has put up photos of Pluto and then superimposed Disney's Pluto the dog over it to show like the smudges and the smears of the planet Pluto kind of look like the dog and it's all a psyop.
What are you even saying?
I saw, it was probably Mike who retweeted this at one point, I saw it.
It made me actually laugh at work.
I was sitting there at work giggling to myself over the fact that Ghost Desert's just like, and if you superimpose Pluto the dog onto Pluto the planetoid, whoa!
I was like, wow.
Yes.
We've been doing this podcast for I don't know how long now, and that is the single craziest thing you've said.
I don't worry about the hell world.
Well, it runs deep.
Yeah, every every time I think I'm like, we have hit the craziest then you hit me with like, Titanic truth or ism and apparently Pluto truth or ism.
Yeah, like It never ends.
It never stops.
Wow.
QAnon.
Have you guys done time-traveling Baron Trump trutherism?
We haven't covered it.
That'll be fun for the future.
Yeah, we haven't covered that yet, but it's out there.
It exists.
Oh, that's a good one.
Yes.
It's the best.
It's the absolute best.
Is he out there traveling through time with Nicolas Cage, just like getting into hijinks?
Something like that.
Yes, he has been traveling through time, and so have other prominent members in Q World.
There's a wonderful dual image of, speaking of Titanic trutherism, of Michael Flynn next to a picture of the captain of the Titanic, and they have kind of the same eyebrows and nice cheekbones, because some of them believe that Flynn went back in time to captain the Titanic for- So that it would hit the iceberg?
It's very unclear.
It's very unclear.
Boy, howdy, if you ever needed somebody to specifically captain a sinking ship, it would definitely be a conservative Republican.
You guys are blowing my mind today.
I did not think I would ever hear the words that Pluto, the former planet, is a PSYOP by Disney.
They're mocking us.
Yes.
They're mocking us.
Like, if you look at Pluto, which is difficult, you have to take several steps to do that, but if you look at it, it is very clear that Disney has put the dog's face on there to mock us weak Earthlings.
Okay.
So your average Disney consumer is not looking at Pluto.
Like, who would that even serve?
Okay, before we go to listener questions, Dapper, can you explain to me why the Cabal has to operate on Batman villain rules, constantly leaving clues and revealing their plan, and why they don't just do it quietly?
This is a thing we've talked about repeatedly.
Sure.
The prevailing theory It's a two-part answer.
The prevailing theory is that since the Patriots and the Q team are completely in control of all conventional methods of communications, the cabal is reduced to speaking in code on very public channels.
One of the hit lists of QAnon included things like Call of Duty chat was a big way the cabal would communicate with one another.
And also, obviously, public messages on Twitter using code words.
They do love the code words.
They do.
And that's the second part of the answer is that based on older conspiracy traditions, there is a Long-standing belief that Satanists increase their own power by essentially tricking other people into looking at their signs and symbols.
That's the root of half of the old Super Bowl, Halftime Show, Illuminati stuff, that predates QAnon by decades.
But the reason why all those symbols were there is because the ritual is more powerful with these symbols displayed, even if none of the viewers were to know what they are looking at.
It increases the dark magic power.
So there's your two-part answer.
Wow, that is very interesting, and it almost makes sense.
It's so crazy Did it almost make sense?
That was incredibly interesting.
Thank you.
Sure.
And now that we've explained why the cabal does this Rube Goldberg-ian contraption of evil, it's time to see what our listeners have asked us this week in the mailbag.
Our listeners got questions, we got answers.
It's time for Q&A.
So we're going to open up with a pretty needy one here from Collins Lear.
I have no idea how to say your name, and I apologize profusely for that.
But they ask, you talk about the country becoming more liberal, but you also implicitly place the political center of the U.S.
as between Biden and Trump, as you believe Biden is as left as electable goes.
And Trump was elected, which is well inside the Republican Party and arguably moving rightward.
How do you reconcile this?
And then he says, since you have Dapper on the show, if you don't want to answer this, you don't have to.
But what I would say is, is that the whole idea of Biden being as left as we could go to get a president, that's because America has this cockamamie electoral college.
Hillary won by three million votes.
I think Bernie would have beaten Trump in a popular vote.
I think pretty much anyone who ran for president against Trump would have beaten him in the popular vote.
It's just that we have this really stupid system to elect presidents in America where you have to win vote points in the score zones Or you don't win and to me it's like incredibly frustrating and it's like kind of the opposite of QAnon in that
On election night, we knew that Biden was up like millions of votes, but everyone was like, Oh, look, Trump's looking really good here.
He might pull this one out.
And if like literally those 50,000 votes or whatever it was broken those states slightly differently and Trump won, you would have had Biden win by 8 million votes and lose and Americans just would have eaten shit.
Which is ridiculous!
The idea that, like, our democracy was subverted, but it was subverted by this old-school, shitty institution that was invented to placate slaveholders... It's just... It's madness.
But, uh...
It's really the fact that our government's just like so messed up the way the Senate was formed.
I mean, the Founding Fathers had no idea that one day that we would have a state with like half a million people and another state with like 45 million people in it and be like, waka waka equal power.
So it's just we have a poorly formed government with a poorly designed system to elect people to office.
So this is why you end up having to have like a milquetoast kind of centrist like Joe Biden be as far to the left as you can go and still win the presidency, even though America would definitely, on a popular vote, be willing to go further.
Bernie Sanders would have absolutely beaten Trump on a popular vote.
It's just that we don't have that in our country because our country has a dumb system.
And so I just hope that over the next 20 years, as all the old people that voted for Trump and are stuck in this Fox News QAnon stupidity bubble, as they move on to the great beyond and progress is made one funeral at a time, as it were, and then they're replaced by young people.
We won't have the Electoral College be this system that props up the Republican Party and allows it to exist.
Yeah, I mean, the short answer is just the Electoral College, right?
I mean, like, Al Gore lost to GW by 0.5%, like with 0.5% more of the popular vote.
And then Hillary lost to Trump with 2.1% more of the popular vote.
And that's the only two times that has happened in the past 150 years.
And it was both Republicans managing to steal a presidential election, uh, from, uh, you know, uh, from the liberal Democrats because of the electoral college system.
And when we talk about the country and the world just sort of skewing more liberal.
I mean, like almost all the data everywhere points to that.
And it's just a matter of the fact that there's this broken system in place
that maybe had a use at one point, but certainly doesn't seem to have a use
like now that that gives undue representation to lower population areas of our massive landmass country.
It's the same with the Senate for like 14 senators represent the same amount of people as two from California.
Bye.
Right.
Yeah, it's just this, we have a really, we have this like setup where like, at this point, like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates, if they wanted to take over the world, they should just start opening up like giant, like work, uh, And that's six more senators for us!
in these like red states and just like funnel people from California and New York and Massachusetts
where we have massive surpluses of liberals to go move to those states to like take them over,
turn the Dakotas in Wyoming into like blue bastions and that's six more senators for us.
Tough shit, idiots. I mean...
And there's a reason why conservatives have like stars in their eyes when they look back to the
Like, how many, like, you know, Trump's slogan, Make America Great Again.
Like, you know, all these people, they just look back in time to when conservatism was just sort of the thing to do.
And, you know, like, specifically religious conservatism.
And they're just like, oh, that was great.
That was so awesome.
We should go back to those days.
And it's just like, yeah, well, those days were a long fucking time ago, and they're getting further
in the rearview with each passing day. So like, you know, yeah, not realizing that not realizing
that multiple divorce Trump never would have been elected in their their glory days.
Oh, yeah, it was a scandal when Reagan ran for office as a divorcee.
I mean, Reagan had to overcome that, much less having multiple children with multiple different wives and pretty much- And draft dodging.
And draft dodging and being a known adulterer, like all of that.
I mean, all of that would have sunk him.
But the last thing I want to throw in on this is that seven of the last eight presidential elections, the Democrats have won the popular vote.
I mean, and the sick thing is, is the one time they lost the popular vote was W beating Kerry in his re-election campaign in 2004.
And if, like, 50,000 votes had flipped in Ohio, the Democrats would have gotten a bullshit Electoral College win, and the Republicans would have gotten fucked by Electoral College.
Yeah, it was like, GW won the popular vote, like, getting the post-9-11 bump.
And also running against John Kerry, who is essentially just a cardboard cut out of a politician.
Of a white rich man.
If you own dressage horses, you need to keep that on the QT.
Yeah, so the short answer for me is that I don't think we're wrong.
I think the world is trending more liberal every day, and that hopefully at some point we just have to hope that conservatism ages out to the point where progressive liberals can get in there and start enacting actual change to the systems that have allowed conservatives to get to the point they're at now, where they are backed into a corner and grasping at white nationalist straws in order to try to retain power.
If I was going to add anything, and I will briefly do so because I wanted to stay out
of this, but I will put one other thing out there, which is that my feeling is that we're
not just – when we're talking about aging out, progress one death at a time or something
like that.
I think there are also a great many of older establishment Democrats who have spent their entire political careers being convinced that timidity will serve them better in the long run.
Um, so my other hope is that not only that the aging Fox News viewers, uh, eventually filter out.
Um, but I think it's also critical that if we, if we are going to take anything away from politics in the last 20 years, I think what we're seeing is a difference in philosophy between the Republican party going after, um, Essentially going after the ends and Democrats continuing to cling to the means.
So this idea that, you know, when the Republican Party says, we're not going to allow you to put a Supreme Court justice on the bench, we're just not going to.
And someone says, well, there's an election, so whatever.
And when McConnell sits there and says, yes, and if Hillary wins, we won't see the Supreme Court justice for four years.
That's not means, that's ends.
They're willing to, and I'm not saying this is enviable, I'm just saying it is the reality on the ground, they are willing to throw a wrench into the gears of our system to achieve the outcomes that they want.
Whereas I think a lot of, particularly older Democrats, are caught up in the idea that The system will produce good outcomes because the system can be trusted and this aberrant behavior on the right will somehow come back around.
Yeah, we're seeing that right now with Manchin, his inability to support, his refusal to support ending the filibuster because he believes the system should be bipartisan when Republicans have made it incredibly clear that they are not interested in bipartisan politics.
They're just not.
If Mitch McConnell refusing to seat a Supreme Court Justice, hypothetically, for the sitting Democratic President for four years isn't an indication of that.
I mean, it's hard to understand what more the guy wants, to understand that the people he's trying to play ball with do not want to play the same game as him.
No, I really think that also you have a bunch of old people who are kind of like, they, there's this talk about how Americans like divided government, how we like to have the president be from one party, and then the other party owns the House or the Senate or both, and that way we can reach detente, we can have compromise.
And I think that existed back in the old days.
I mean, that's how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 got passed with a Republican-Democrat coalition in the North breaking the Southern Democrat filibuster.
But I think that this generation understands that we're polarized, that Republicans are just going to play this the way Dapper said, where it's just, we're going to maximize our power at all costs.
And we'll just see if we pay a price for it in the upcoming election.
And if we do, we do.
If we don't, we don't.
But we don't care.
We're going to throw sand in the gears.
We're going to fuck shit up.
And I think this younger generation of people are going to understand the polarized nature of our politics.
And they're going to be like, no, the only good government we have is pure Democrat government.
Because any Republicans controlling any power breaks things and fucks things up.
Yeah, and you're already seeing the buildings of the new Republican Party, and I don't mean what the actual Republicans are becoming, but you're seeing within Democrats, you're seeing AOC, who, like, is a reason, there's a reason she gets so much screen time.
She is what we're moving towards, this dynamic, like Dapper said, someone who's focused on the ends and the means.
Of the Democratic Party and you're seeing the new Republican Party is old Democrats who are just like, well, we don't want to do anything.
And then we're seeing a third party, which is the current Republicans who are just all, they're the Patriot Party.
They're all in on Trump.
They're the lion.
Yeah, I mean, there's always going to be a divide there where, like, you know, even if every Republican just got raptured tomorrow, it would just mean that our system would still be two parties.
It would just be, like, you know, regular Democrats would be the new conservatives, and then progressive Democrats would be the new Democrats or whatever.
Right.
Because it's all a matter of ideology.
Yeah, because Biden is much closer to an old timey Republican than he is to, than they're willing to admit, than the current Republicans are.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, that's kind of a thing that ends up being said.
Clinton and Obama were both called the best Republican presidents of my lifetime, because that's just the way the Democrats have governed for the longest time.
And I will say that, like, at the very least, the $1.9 trillion stimulus bill that got passed, like, that was just kind of a fuck-em.
That was, like, one time where the Democrats actually did do the ends.
They were like, we're just cutting these $1,400 checks, and we're just passing all this infrastructure, and You idiots can pound sand, because this is what we campaigned on, so we're doing it.
To that I say, more of that please.
Remember when Biden's administration cut everybody those checks and increased those benefits for people that were on hard times, and then everybody uniformly decided that they were done working jobs?
They were like, we're never going to work again!
Oh, every old white prick that plays high stakes poker that I've been within a mile of has pissed and moaned about the lazy Americans who don't want to work anymore and just soak unemployment.
Oh, they're the most miserable.
It's so weird that these jobs don't pay a living wage and people don't want them, and it's the workers' fault.
Hey, if you were such a lazy, shiftless layabout, you'd take your bread and water and be grateful.
I mean, it's just... Yeah, their possession is that there are plenty of jobs out there right now.
Just go get two of those.
That certainly has to be a lovable wage.
Right, exactly.
No, it does not.
No.
So thank you for that question.
We move on to Kiz Epic, who asks, can you explain the where we go one, we go all bell that was supposedly on the back of JFK's boat?
And Dapper was digging into this.
So Dapper, the floor is yours.
Oh, man.
All right.
Well, that's been a persistent QAnon claim for The earliest I can find it is, surprisingly enough, April Fool's Day 2018.
I went back and I checked, and it seems to have all started with a single tweet showing a photo of the bell.
The bell is real.
The location of the bell is not correct.
The bell is on the ship that was used in the movie White Squall.
It is not JFK's boat, but it started with a tweet on April Fool's Day 2018 in response Basically, it's just a picture of the bell.
And the tweet is, this is the bell from JFK's boat.
It's just that simple.
That's how it starts.
It got picked up all over the place.
It ran through the Chan boards, it ran through QAnon circles like wildfire.
It hit at just about the right time.
April of 2018 was when the first big, real big influencers were coming into the market.
So it was a real good time for something like that to join the narrative.
I mean, it's been debunked so many times.
It's been debunked on 4chan.
It was debunked.
Some Anons have debunked it for other Anons, but again, they don't care.
They just love the tagline.
It's a great line.
They like the story.
And they like being able to draw a line, particularly the older generation of QAnon believers.
They like being able to draw a line from the perfect patriotic hero of their youth to the perfect patriotic hero of the now.
And as we've discussed several times before, they just fucking love boats.
They can't get enough of boats.
And the name of the boat is the Eye of the Wind.
Yes, Eye of the Wind.
Eye of the Wind was the boat in the movie White Swan.
Do we think Jeff Bridges knows?
Does he know that this mediocre movie he made has been co-opted by a terrible movement?
I've actually wondered that.
I've really, I've, I have very much wondered what the owner of the actual boat thinks about all this.
Or if they're even aware.
Well, at least they're not co-opting our precious Tron.
That's right, baby.
That's our second Tron reference of the show.
Do you still want me to build the perfect system?
Yeah.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, sorry.
You need to stop.
You need to stop saying stuff like that because you will give these Q idiots some ideas.
They're like, you know, like, yeah, maybe Tron does fit in our Q worldview.
We would like to build a better system with all whites.
I was quoting Tron Legacy.
So we got both of them.
That's true.
The last thing I'll mention about the Bell tweet that I think is interesting is the person who tweeted that out, I thought at first had been suspended because when I went looking for the tweet, I couldn't find it.
It turns out no, that account is still active on Twitter, has not been suspended, but did at some point delete that tweet.
It wasn't taken down by Twitter.
How is that possible?
How did they not get swept up in the Great Purge?
Because they- I'm not sure.
They did that with military precision.
When they dropped Trump and all the QAnon, they got all those idiots within a week.
They knew who they were.
So thank you for the question.
Chairman Walkman asks a very open-ended question.
Is there something you are excited for?
They just announced that the live-action Cowboy Bebop got Yoko Kanno back to do the score, so I'm pretty hyped for that now.
I'm going to go see The Conjuring 3 for the first time.
Going to a movie theater for the first time in 18 months this evening.
That sounds so awesome.
I mean, I'm not a The Conjuring fan, but just the idea of going to a movie sounds incredible.
Oh, I'm a huge Conjuring fan because I love the Warrens so much.
I met them when they were both still alive back in Connecticut when they were going around every Halloween.
They'd go around every October and do their ghost and demon lectures.
It's funny that I never ran into them because I grew up in my teens and early 20s in Salem,
Massachusetts.
It seems like that would be a prime location for them to hawk that sort of stuff.
You would think so, but a lot of their business, it's weird, a lot of their tours were, they would just sort of roam around New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut.
But yeah, when I was in school, they passed through Connecticut every October, and they would always give a talk, and I would always go listen to them.
They are wonderfully batty.
I am very jealous.
They are my favorite flim flam men.
From Flint people.
From Flint people, you're right.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, personally, to answer the question at hand, now that I've got my magnetic injections all sorted, I'm excited to return to tabletop roleplaying at some point.
That's going to be amazing.
It has been almost two years since I sat down at a table to play D&D with people, and that is too long.
How about you, Mike Rains?
What are you excited for?
I'm going to live the gimmick here.
No Gods, No Masters is coming out in a couple, in a few days.
So I get a new garbage album.
So what more could I ever want in my life?
So yeah, that's that's it for me.
Thank you for the question, Grand Inquisitor Chairman Walkman.
Yeah, no, no hate.
Like if your favorite band has a new album coming out, that is definitely a thing to be hyped for.
Yeah.
One quick one here before we have one last one.
No one asks, other than scouring Gab and Telegram, what is your news diet?
And that's my news diet.
It really is.
I mean, I also follow mainstream media and that kind of stuff, but I'm just in the cesspool all the time.
I use R News, which is not the best, but it gives me a lot of interesting articles that routinely show up here on the show.
And I'll also be on HuffPo.
to get a little more in depth?
Yeah, I tend to I tend to stick to AP news when I can.
But if I if I need AP news filtered through a more liberal lens, I will also go to HuffPo myself.
And then periodically, I'll pop by like the, you know, other bigger sites like CNN or Al Jazeera or whatever, just to try to to broaden my horizons.
For me, it's Reuters and the AP.
They both have nice apps for the phone and they're decent follows on Twitter.
The other thing that I have started to do over the last couple of years is I follow reporters and not so much the news organization they work for.
I've started doing that too.
I find that really interesting because I like seeing what's important to the journalist, because it might not survive the editing process.
It might not become a fully-fledged article, but talking with a journalist about something that they're interested in and that they think is newsworthy is sometimes more interesting to compare that against what someone higher up the food chain decides is actually newsworthy.
Real quick, do you have a couple that you recommend?
I will not bring any shame on anyone because if I mention people, then I've forgotten to mention people.
So I will just say, follow some journalists who you like.
I started with QAnon journalists because that was, well, two years ago, that was easy.
There were four of them.
Now there's a QAnon journalist from every news organization on the beat and they don't know anything.
And it's frustrating.
I started following Scott McFarlane on Twitter.
He's out of NBC4.
I like him.
Because the news in question isn't super important to anyone except folks in the industry, I will go ahead and shout out Jason Schreier, video game journalist and reporter of renown for being good at his work.
He was the only thing keeping Kotaku from just being essentially TMZ for video games, and then he left.
Yeah, Andy Campbell is the- he's with HuffPo, but he's the breaking news editor for HuffPo, so he can be interesting.
Those are two I follow.
I do love breakdancing, so I should look into that guy.
He will throw down a piece of cardboard so quick.
So, again, thank you for the question, and we will wrap up the mailbag by Traplord Fleco.
Pretty much, this question is very long and rambly.
The gist of it is that the mother of his son is very pilled, and he thought things were turning around.
But now it appears that she is even more deeply entrenched into QAnon than previously.
And he wonders, do you see a rise?
Do you see a trend in the ranks of QAnon supporters that they're coming back into the fold now that the GOP is so accepting of them?
And that like, there's obviously not kind of a social stigma around being a QAnon supporter when it comes to Republicans, at least.
And for me, because I have a 50,000 foot view of this whole thing, it's very hard for me to tell on that front.
I personally, again, the people that I engage with in my meatspace are very Republican and somewhat conspiratorial in nature.
And even they, where I will hear the name Soros hissed at in the wild, even they don't bring QAnon into it.
It's incredibly rare I get that.
I would agree with that.
I would agree that the campaign that began at this point almost a year ago with Q starting to discourage people from talking about QAnon has allowed a large portion of the movement to continue existing and become less differentiated from the larger vaguely conspiracy-minded Fox News ecosystem.
But I mean, I don't think if the question is, is there going to be a resurgence of QAnon?
I would tend to say probably not by that name in the way you're thinking.
If the question is, is there going to be a resurgence of everything QAnon has claimed, yes.
Once it is fully decided that we're never going to talk about what happened in January because it is politically expedient for the Republican Party to not discuss it.
That means that we get to memory hole it.
And once we memory hole it, then everything that led up to it is suddenly less taboo to talk about.
Yeah, then it just becomes documentary fodder.
Yeah.
So I mean, the same way that the same way that Pizzagate was enveloped and absorbed
by QAnon, but not every QAnon people, not every QAnon person screams the word Pizzagate.
Some do, and some will be saying QAnon for the rest of their lives.
But I have a feeling we're going to see a sort of softening and blurring of the edges
and it will just become part of the larger conspiracy conversation.
And I think it's more insidious than that.
I've started to see, just personally, with a couple of people, and like a girl I went to college with, she was posting Wayfair nonsense on Facebook.
And I checked her with facts, and she came back at me with QAnon talking points.
And when I called her on that, she said, I don't believe in QAnon.
And then I said, then why are you using QAnon talking points?
And they've started Propagating out, and like you said, softening, and it's become much more insidious.
It's metastasizing.
Yeah, no, that's a great word for it.
They become more easily digestible and they're out there in these Facebook groups.
And the weird thing about it is that the stuff that is surviving I mean, maybe this makes a certain degree of sense, but the stuff that's surviving is the real wacky stuff.
And I mean, part of that is just because every grounded sort of down-to-earth political thriller conspiracy that QAnon came up with for three years didn't pan out so great.
But that just leaves the stuff that you can never, ever prove or disprove.
And that's what's going to carry on.
That's what I've always said about QAnon is that the Trump side of the thing is falsifiable.
The fact that Trump's enemies drink the blood of children and worship Satan is unfalsifiable, so it will always endure.
The one thing I will say to wrap this up is that When you and I have heard the word QAnon used at the tables a few times in the past year, and every time it is in mockery every time it is a sign that like you're a crazy person if you believe in this shit.
So that's the one good thing I'll give you is that The brand of QAnon is dog shit in the eyes of the public.
Even for people that are muttering darkly about Soros and talking about Biden having stole the election.
They're getting that shit from Fox News.
They hear QAnon and their ears perk up and they're like, oh, that's crazy talk.
So.
Mike reigns with a little sliver of optimism at the end of what was actually kind of a bummer of a question to go out on.
Not that we don't appreciate the question, it's just that I kind of wish that we had done the what are you looking forward to question to sort of bring us home on a more positive note.
Just when I thought that it was all going to be bummer town, Mike Rains shows up at the end with a little bit of optimism to say, hey, when QAnon gets brought up in public, those people are saying bad stuff, which is, you know, I guess, trending in the right direction, even even if it is just cover up for QAnon beliefs, sort of just sort of disseminating into the general conservative water supply or whatever.
If there's one other thing to be hopeful about, it's I would say all the legal documents that are being filed in defense of the people who have been arrested for what happened on January 6th.
The sole winning legal strategy seems to be my client was suckered in by this completely false thing.
And I mean, yes, it's a legal tactic.
Don't get me wrong.
But The fact that everyone's going to go now into court and say, I was suckered in by this completely nonsense thing called QAnon, again, the brand is going to get real hurt.
2021, the year where lawyers have finally become the good guys.
So on that note, we are going to go ahead and drive this here car out of the confines of Hellworld.
But before we get too far out of bounds and I get to the shilling and stuff, I want to thank our special guest, Dapper Gander, once again for joining us.
Dapper, do you have anything that you would like to promote?
Oh, I'm terrible at this.
Uh, I mean, yes, I have a Patreon where I write, uh, articles both short and long, um, because I don't believe in paywalls.
All the important stuff is free.
Uh, you don't have to be a backer to see that stuff.
Um, but I would appreciate support if you like what I do.
And obviously my, you can just find it at Patreon, uh, and my name Dapper Gander.
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