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unidentified		From the high deserts and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good
art bell ▲ ● ▼		morning, good afternoon.
		you This is Midnight in the Desert, and I'm Art Bell.
		And it's a Friday night, Saturday morning.
		And I see trouble ahead.
		Oh, do I see trouble ahead.
		Great to be here.
		Great to be back.
		Filling in for Heather.
		Taking the night off.
		Long weekend.
		So, I'm gonna be here for open lines.
		Anything goes.
		Open lines.
		Rules of the show.
		No bad language.
		One call per show.
unidentified		Drink minimum two.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that's a maximum, right?
		It's good to be here.
		So those are the rules.
		I want to thank Telos, Joe Talbot, who made this kind of audio possible on the net.
		It's astounding.
		The Evil Roland, my webmaster, Keith.
		Heather Wade, who was the producer, now is sort of it.
		LV.net.
		In the case of me, they get the internet here.
		Get me you.
		TuneIn Radio.
unidentified		Who am I forgetting?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Aaron in Asia.
		At home.
		I'm going to get in trouble tonight.
		Sure as heck I'm going to get in trouble, but you know, I don't care.
		When I first began doing talk radio, a long, long time ago, I did political talk radio.
		Now, I could not hope or even pray for a more interesting political time.
		It was interesting long ago.
		But this program began because I got bored as hell with politics.
		Way back when.
		Just simply had enough.
		And that was the birth of the whole show.
		Way back when.
		People don't know that about me, but it's true.
		Some of you know, right?
		So, it's so interesting right now.
		You know, it's like I watch every day.
		We may say, oh, it's bad, interesting bad, but I think it's really interesting good.
		My God, so much has happened since we last talked.
		It's hard for me to know where to begin.
		And before I do, and I'm going to do it, politics is open season tonight.
		I want to note, since I've been on, there's been this discovery, and it is the completion of Einstein's symphony, if you will.
		Gravity waves.
		Oh God, that's a big one.
		It's a Nobel Prize likely discovery.
		What are gravity waves?
		Well, they were only theorized by Einstein.
		Now, we know gravity waves are kind of like radio waves.
		They propagate kind of like radio at the speed of light.
		Radio goes very nearly at the speed of light.
		And gravity waves at the speed of light now, they have just barely detected them because of the dance and finally the embrace of two black holes.
		Fortunately for us, I guess, the black holes, well, they became attracted, frankly.
		And then, like the egg, And the sperm, they merged.
		And as they merged, this immense gravity wave was sent out, and we have now picked it up.
		And as I mentioned, it kind of completes the Einstein symphony.
		Now, other than the obvious, you know, a couple of black holes merging would mean big stuff, big things happening, right?
		Normally.
		And that is the case here.
		But let's look down the line a little bit with gravity waves.
		They're produced by objects with mass, at some level, right?
		Even you produce a gravity wave when you move around, somehow or another.
		Not that we can detect it right now, but you have mass, and so yes, you emit a very tiny gravity wave, the Earth a bigger one.
		Other objects, big ones.
		Now, Let me tell you where this could lead that's of interest, okay?
		If there are parallel universes, it has always been said that, you know, gravity waves might be the way we will detect that they are there, and that's cool.
		Think about it.
		Is that cool or what?
		That there could be parallel universes.
		We don't see them, They're not in our physical space, they're in another space-time, but these gravity waves, well, they traverse space-time.
		I want you to think about that a little bit.
		They traverse space-time.
		So maybe, just maybe, we'll end up talking to somebody in a parallel universe.
unidentified		I think that's really cool.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess we could consider the generators, er, generators, The receivers for gravity waves that we presently have to be kind of like a whisker crystal radio, you know, you just barely can hear a signal if you stand on your head and get the whisker just right.
unidentified		In other words, crude.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But eventually we may learn all about gravity waves and then the mind is boggled.
		I mean, we might end up communicating with another universe, whatever that'll mean.
		We might I don't know.
		Learn how to master gravity waves.
		My God, we might learn how to amplify gravity waves.
		And then who knows what we might do.
		So, I had to note that.
		That was a gigantic discovery.
		Probably we'll get a Nobel Prize.
		Boggles the mind about what it could conceivably mean.
		Now, The other big thing I want to talk about this morning, well, one more before we get to politics.
		Barack Obama, our president, says the encryption versus national security debate will not be settled by taking an absolute view of the situation.
		He says both values are important.
		Both values are important, they are, but They're just so mutually exclusive that I don't know how you get to a midway point.
		You know there's a big deal going on right now with Apple, right?
		You've got the government wanting Apple to... What happened is, somebody who might be a terrorist, or probably was a terrorist, left behind an iPhone, and you can take ten tries at cracking it, And if you don't make it in 10 tries, it erases everything.
		So Apple's gone to the government and said, look, you've got to open this baby up.
		We want to know what's in there.
		Apple's saying, well, if we did that and we can do it, it would potentially get out and everybody's apples would be no longer secure.
		So it seems to me these two things are really almost mutually exclusive in that You just can't have it both ways.
		Either you have privacy, at this expense, or you don't.
		You decide that safety over privacy is the way to go.
		And you just don't let them have it.
		Apple stands their ground.
		Until we come at them with a knife and carve them up, I suppose.
		I don't know.
		It's the government, right?
		Donald Trump.
		That should get you going right there.
		Donald Trump.
		This has been the most amazing, amazing political season that I've participated in, and believe me, I love politics.
		To watch this happening is incredible.
		Blinking incredible.
		Here's what I wrote on Facebook, and I want you to hear it.
		Donald Trump may or may not be what America wants or needs, but there's one thing for sure.
		The establishment that so hates him has brought this on themselves by again and again failing to do the things they promise in election after election.
		Yes, there's anger, and they have only themselves to thank for it.
		He's their monster.
		He really is their monster, and it has been a blast to watch.
		I think what I wrote on Facebook, and every word was mine, I think that it's just absolutely correct.
		Love him or hate him, that'll be one of the questions tonight.
		Is he good?
		Is he going to be a good president, do you think?
		If he gets a nomination, then beats Hillary?
		Or is he going to be a disaster?
		An unmitigated disaster!
		So let me read this to you, if I might, one more time.
		I rarely write something that I consider to be a, I don't know, let's write a word for
		it, not a, I don't know.
		Not the cat's meow, not the best prose, but, you know, it kind of really, really says it.
		So let me read it one more time.
		Donald Trump may or may not be what America wants or needs, but there's one thing for sure.
		The establishment that so hates him has brought this on themselves by again and again failing to do the things they promise in election after election.
		Yes, there's anger, and they have only themselves to thank for it.
		You know, so watching all this happen, uh, I watched the, you know, Chicago, I watched every minute of Chicago tonight, um, I was dismayed, to say the least.
		CNN just about had a cow, saying, oh my God, Donald said this or that, said something, and now look what we have.
		All these, well they, they didn't say it, moveon.org people, Clogging the streets, starting fights.
		But we need to find a way to blame it on McDonald's.
unidentified		So we've heard him say that ain't the way they did it in the old days.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		That they got carried out on a stretcher back then.
		Ah, the Chicago of old, right?
		During the Vietnam War.
		It was very reminiscent of that, but CNN about had a cow.
		About how to count.
		Had to blame it on Donald.
		So, one of the questions tonight is Trump.
		Good president, or is he going to be a good president, do you think?
		Is it possible?
		Or is he going to be an unmitigated, I love that word, unmitigated disaster?
		And there's more, but I've got to take a break.
		So, we will do that and I will continue.
unidentified		So, anything goes tonight, but I'm definitely not ruling out politics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you want to call about that, it's going to be just fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		While midnight sweeps across America, you've found an oasis for the mind.
		And if you're looking for a place to stay, this is the place.
		To call Midnight in the Desert, please dial 1-952-CALL-ART.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
		Okay.
		Chugging along.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Those are the numbers.
unidentified		Now, it's time for the talk.
unidentified		And the talk is... We've changed things around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The numbers have come back here, I hope.
		And so we'll be able to take calls here at the normal national number, which is area code 952-225-5278.
		And you can say whatever you want.
		There's so many things to talk about, actually.
unidentified		But again, I'm not barring political discussion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you want to answer one of those questions, you're welcome to.
		Anybody out there watching House of Cards?
		Have you noticed the way it's kind of parallel in reality right now?
unidentified		Okay, the talk, the talk, the talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I see that we're going to run break into break pretty quickly here, so I'll try and get it done.
		We've brought the numbers back here, so if you would like to call, I gave you the national number, and I hope that's functional and brought back here.
		Otherwise, you're welcome to use Skype.
		Now, it's the old Skype connection, if you want to get through.
		In other words, since I'm back here, it's MITD51, if you're in North America.
		That's midnight in the desert, MITD, the initials only, MITD51.
		And if you're calling from outside the country, it's MITD55.
		That's M-I-T-D-5-5.
		So, that in mind, I wonder what you want to talk about.
		I will throw out one last thing, and I suppose this could be a special line, if you want it to be.
		Such a simple question.
		If you had no fear, this is kind of because it's fun, because it's a Friday night, If you had no fear, what would you do?
unidentified		Hmm?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had no fear, what would you do?
		I can give you my answer.
		Have you seen those guys in the suits that approximate wings, I guess?
		You know?
		And a little material in between.
		And they put them on and they jump off mountains.
		And somehow, you know, I guess forward inertia is sufficient and that little bit of cloth is sufficient to cause somebody to go into a semi-glide and live to tell about it.
		That's what I'd do.
		Especially at my age, I'd give it a shot.
		Jump off some large mountain and fly for a while.
		I've loved the sensation of flight.
		I just love it.
		By the way, I have a new hobby.
		And that is my drone.
		I have gone to the next generation of drone.
		And oh God, they're really getting good, folks.
		You know, I'll call them the home drones.
		They're getting really good.
		So, what do I mean by that?
		Well, they will hover in place.
		In other words, you can send them up and just look at all the controls.
		GPS keeps them exactly where you've left them and it will just hover.
		God, Skype has really lightened up.
		And the phones are all lit up, so I'll try to keep it short and sweet, but they're amazing.
		If they get out of control, in any way at all, very unlikely, if you know what you're doing, they say, oh, I've lost signal, and they go home, rise up to 100 feet, or whatever you've got it set for, and then land automatically.
		They always come home on their own.
		So I've been flying all over this part of the valley.
		And it's really fun.
		One can only imagine, I mean, every time you buy something, of course, I've now come out with a new model, That has collision avoidance.
		As soon as I bought this one, DJI, the company I bought it from, came out with a new one.
unidentified		Now, with collision avoidance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are these things going to be like in 10 or 15 years?
		You wonder about that?
		I'm telling you, it's happening so fast.
		I bought one drone early on.
		I'm always an early adopter, usually regretting it.
		That's the pain of early adopters, right?
		With anything.
		You buy a car, and it's brand new, and probably you're gonna break it in with, you know, whatever beta testing they're doing on you!
		And it's the same with electronics, pretty much, and obviously drones, but I've made out very well in this case.
		Boy, have I had fun!
		This baby will go about three miles, and send back high-definition video as she Goes.
		I've had her about three miles out.
		At whatever altitude I wish.
		Usually I go high enough to be just outside the reach of most shotguns and stuff like that, because I'm sure if people saw you hovering they would, you know, go and grab whatever.
		I've worried about that.
		So I stay 150, 200 feet up, something like that.
		The video it returns is astounding high-definition video.
		Really cool stuff.
		So, I don't know whether you can get into it.
		It's getting more affordable all the time.
		It's an awful lot of fun.
		I guess if you're near an airport, probably you shouldn't do it because it won't let you take off near an airport.
		It's got the safety feature built in.
		Otherwise, though, if you're out here in the middle of virtually nowhere, kind of like I am right now, It's really fun.
		Really fun.
		You don't fly in a lot of windy weather, but boy, they have made amazing strides.
		And not really, even it makes me wonder what it's going to be like, say, in 10 years.
		I mean, already they've amped up the technology to the point that they're just utterly reliable.
		The video returned could probably be, and is, used for a movie.
		It could be used for a movie.
		It's that kind of quality.
		You know, it's amazing.
		Absolutely amazing.
		So, if any of you out there have joined the group Flying Drones, I'd like to know about that.
		Alright, well I suppose I've eaten up enough time, but I did want to do what Oh, dare I do it.
		I'm sure you'll hate my guts by the end of the program.
		Absolutely hate my guts for bringing up politics, but... I don't care.
		I can live with hate.
		Anyway, the, uh, the rally breakup was kind of interesting.
		And CNN sure did try and pin it directly on Donald.
		I mean, really pin it on Donald.
		I'm not buying into it.
		It was moveon.org.
		They're the ones who went there and, you know, were the rowdy bunch.
		And they took away his right to speak.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight in the Desert.
		Would love to have you join.
		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		♪♪♪ ♪ Tonight, tonight we're gonna make it happen. ♪♪
		♪♪♪ while midnight sweeps across America.
		You've found an oasis for the mind.
		To call Midnight in the Desert, please dial 1-952-CALL-ART.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
		Alright, anything goes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Open lines are just about to happen.
		Yeah, politics.
		I've got one more thing I want to say about Trump.
		Ben Carson endorsed Trump today.
		And I was thoughtful about that.
		Ben Carson, I think you would have to say, Ben Carson is like the mildest of the mild.
		A thinking man, for sure, right?
		So, I would say for many out there, the endorsement of Carson would have been shocking.
		I mean, those of you who think that Trump's a stump, basically, those of you that think that way would be quite shocked that Dr. Carson has endorsed him.
		Anyway, enough, enough, enough.
		Whatever you want to talk about, pick on any of these things, and I'm glad to engage you.
		It's open lines.
		And one more time, the numbers have changed.
		The national number and all those, they're the same.
		But the Skype stuff has changed.
		North America, MITD 5-1.
		MITD 5-1.
		You really sound good on Skype, too.
		In the rest of the world, it's MITD 5-5.
		That's MITD 5-5 worldwide.
		And if you're not supposed to be on that line, I will eject you, like a protester at a Trump rally.
		So, let's go to the phone, start here, and say, good luck to us, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey Art, great Friday night.
		Great Friday night, thank you so much.
		I'd like to say really quickly that if Donald Trump is elected, I hope that he can do good, and that's all I can say.
		As far as no fear, here's what I'd do if I had no fear.
		I would use nanocarbon fibers, modern materials like lightweight plastics, And a PVC cylinder full of helium to turn myself into a drone that actually, before this planet is gone, so people can turn on their TVs and see a human flap their wings and fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What are you calling me on, sir?
unidentified		Oh, I'm calling you on a cell phone.
		I'm at work right now trying to keep the background noise low, but I'd just like to someday see a human being be able to, maybe not with the, definitely not with the grace of a bird, But to be able to use modern materials and maybe a little bit of helium for lift and actually be able to, with a little bit of assistance, flap some wings and fly.
		And I really think that is possible with modern materials and modern technology.
		All right, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, listen, thank you.
		Yeah, I'm all into it.
		Flight.
		But I don't want to have to use helium.
		I appreciate that.
		It's lighter than air.
		Keeps you suspended.
		But I mean, that's the old stuff, right?
		I want to be able to fly!
		I mean, really fly!
		I don't know, maybe like Superman.
		If you're gonna go for it, let's go whole hog.
		That's what I say.
		Let's go, uh, actually to Skype and somebody calling himself Sharky?
unidentified		Yeah, that's me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Sharky.
unidentified		Glad to hear you again, Art, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good to be here, thank you.
unidentified		Tons of people asking for a shout-out tonight.
		I think they're all just as glad to hear you from Art Bell's Midnight in the Desert fans.
		But Trump 2016.
		Absolutely.
		My goodness.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're sold, huh?
unidentified		I am sold.
unidentified		I've watched every single GOP debate from Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've watched every one of them too.
unidentified		It's riveting.
		It's absolutely fascinating.
		They're so competitive at it now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I heard that Trump made a comment that he thought it was too tame for him.
unidentified		Too tame?
		Yeah.
		My goodness.
		Well, he wasn't tame in the last GOP debates, but I like that.
		That's refreshing.
		One thing, though, I don't understand is a lot of people, they criticize Trump so, so, so much, but meanwhile they know so little about politics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is he getting criticism, really?
unidentified		Yes, of course.
		From the left wing, of course, but it's just, I don't know.
		I have to compare him to Putin, right?
		The little bromance that everybody says they have going on.
		I honestly, I see so much of Putin in Trump, right?
		If you listen to people, one of the things that they're most tired with the establishment is the lies, the Washington, right, as Trump calls it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see Putin?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You see Putin and Trump?
unidentified		I do.
		I really do.
		Well, I mean, if you think about it, who is the most American of the candidates?
		Who is the person that matches the most stereotypical idea of an American out of all the candidates right now?
		I would say it's Trump.
		And just in the way that one of the most stereotypical Russians you can think of is Putin.
		He's the perfect image of Russia.
		He has massive respect of his people.
		He unites them all under one cause.
		And Trump, he seems like he's a bit of a revival of that in America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What about the charge that many are making that it's a quick trip to another Hitler?
unidentified		I don't understand where they're getting that from.
		I mean, you see these little quotes from Trump, like, Trump wants to close off the internet.
		But meanwhile, that's a very small quote from a very big speech.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you mean like ISIS?
unidentified		Yes, and people took that as him saying he was going to shut down the internet, and they went wild with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, please.
unidentified		It's ridiculous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that is ridiculous.
		So, anyway, you're completely sold.
		Do you have any prediction about... There's two big states to watch, of course, coming Tuesday, right?
		That'd be Florida and Ohio.
		What do you think?
unidentified		Florida and Ohio?
		Yeah.
		I think Trump will probably take Florida, but Ohio's a little far north.
		I think there's a lot of liberal Democrats going on up there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there are, sir, but... Alright, thank you very much.
		Let me tell you something.
		What isn't getting much publicity, because I don't think that CNN would want to talk about it, and yeah, I do watch CNN, is the fact that lots and lots of Democrats are coming across.
		Call them Reagan Democrats, call them whatever you want.
		They are so interested in Trump that they're coming across and registering and voting for him.
		So, what his ceiling is, I'm not sure, but, you know, they're always talking about ceiling.
		Do you not possibly go past 35%?
		Well, yeah, of course you can.
		If a lot of Democrats walk across, grab Republican ballots and vote for him, sure you can.
		There's a lot of that going on, and now whether that, whether all this boils well for him or He seems like a rock after what happened, for example, tonight.
		If CNN is able to pin this on Trump personally, and they were sure trying.
		Man, oh man, were they trying.
unidentified		Yeah, but he made a comment about something getting socked.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So he's bringing all this on.
		Well, no, moveon.org did this.
		I mean, that's just the truth.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was intended.
		Phone line.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Well, hi, Art.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		This is Tom in Los Angeles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Tom.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		I'm fine.
		You could ask me any question about politics and I'll have an opinion.
		But I'd rather make a quick joke and then talk about Fukushima.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, really.
		A joke and then Fukushima.
		That's quite a combination.
unidentified		But go ahead.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Well, California conveniently just passed the right to die mercifully law.
		And that becomes effective on June 9th, which conveniently is about 10 days before Trump becomes the GOP candidate.
		And so California has some options.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you sure about that?
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, really, really sure that he's on the way.
		This is it.
		I mean, they really tried hard with this messed up rally.
		Tonight?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To blame it on Trump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You don't think it's going to stick, huh?
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it won't stick, but I think that you've got the crossover incorrect.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		I think that Bernie Sanders picks up the crossover vote from the other Republicans that are not Trump, and that Bernie Sanders will have a huge surprise for Hillary Clinton, because nobody believes her anymore.
unidentified		Well, she does have trust issues, yes.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		So my personal opinion is that Bernie Sanders against Trump will be the ticket, and both of them are reeling in a lot of maybe first-time voters or occasional voters.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you watch the last Democrat debate between the two?
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		I did, and I was quite offended by Hillary trying to say that Bernie was bought by the Koch brothers, you know, the energy industry.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How does she get away with that?
		I mean, or even close to that.
		Bernie's got these little donations that come from millions, so come on.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Right, I mean he's got like $10, $3 donations from me just so I can run his numbers up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I don't, your Koch brothers wouldn't be supporting that anyway.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		No way, so how could, you know, Hillary's credibility just goes down the tubes and for her to say that Bernie wanted the auto industry to fail, you know, they needed their $18 billion and And that whole TARP thing that he voted against was like $700 billion.
		So whatever Bernie's opinion was about not giving $700 billion to the banks was not a vote against bailing out the auto industry.
		He voted six weeks before that to bail out the auto industry.
		I've got some bad advisors that are telling her to go for the throat with Bernie when she should just, you know, waltz into the end of July convention a winner instead of, you know, ruining her own chances.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nah, I don't see Hillary going for the throat.
		You know, she doesn't do it like that.
		She admits herself.
		She's not the consummate politician at all.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Well, this is something she did admit recently, but that won't stop her from trying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, she is pretty consummate, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But she says, you know, she just doesn't have the gravitas, you know, that her husband does and others.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
		And she also, there's a funny thing about men.
		They can't listen to women who are yelling.
		It's very difficult, even for me, to keep my hand off of the volume control during these debates.
		And I feel the same way about the tone of voice of Cruz.
		He has this whiny, buzzard type of... Whiny, buzzard?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's pretty good.
		Whiny, buzzard.
		You know, I haven't been able to put my finger, but I'm telling you, man, something about Cruz totally freaks me out.
		I don't know what it is.
		I look at him and I listen to him.
		I don't know.
		It just creeps me out.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you what should creep you out about Cruz.
		Himself and his father are these evangelical righteous sons of guns that think God has selected Ted Cruz to lead our country in this caliphate type of Christian world.
		And that's scarier than Trump at any time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you a Trump fan?
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm a Bernie guy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're a Bernie guy?
		I will give Bernie this.
		He is really, really getting his message across.
		I mean, there's no two ways about it.
		Loud and clear.
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		You know what?
		I sound like a broken record to everybody I speak to.
		You know, the old rule is talk to 20 friends and 50 strangers if you want to help your candidate.
		And I feel like I'm a broken record because I can repeat his top 12, you know, top hits.
		Uh, pretty easily.
		And I can be pretty convincing.
		I mean, it's pretty hard to persuade a Republican off of their position no matter what.
		But to get a liberal out to vote, maybe even for the first time in 10 or 20 years, is very... I'm very persuasive when I speak Bernie's language.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me run this by you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is it true or is it not true, sir, that when you look at Bernie Sanders and you look at Trump, when it comes to at least trade, they are just about on the same page?
tom in los angeles ▲ ● ▼		I think that Bernie has some credibility on the trade issue, and that Trump has picked it up as one of the thorns in the side of Americans, so he's running with it.
		I don't believe Trump believes a word he's saying about trade.
		But I do think they have the same position.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I respectfully disagree with you, and I appreciate your call.
		Thank you.
		Interesting.
		I think he's wrong.
		I think you can say, good Trump, bad Trump, hate Trump.
		But Trump does know what he's talking about when it comes to trade.
		Now, I can't make that claim in a lot of other areas, because yeah, he's been, you know, pretty broad-strokey, right?
		But, oh no, I think he knows very well what he's doing when it comes to trade, and I think he will make good deals.
		You know, if there's a reason to really get excited about Trump, I think it is the art of the deal.
		You know, that he will make good deals for us, and Get us the hell out of a lot of things, but the best is me.
		And so I am, yeah, I'm a little bit attracted to Trump.
		So, there you have it.
		That's why I said probably by the end of the program you'll all hate me.
		Probably working on it already.
		Nevertheless, let's go to somebody called Phil on Skype.
		Hello, Phil.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Phil.
unidentified		I'm in Indianapolis, Indiana.
		I've been listening to you.
		Well, actually, I'm recovering right now from open-heart surgery last week.
		Whoa.
		Yeah.
		Fun.
		Please don't anyone do this.
		You don't have to.
		I had my first real bad day today, and then to have you hosting the show tonight is just absolutely amazing.
		It's putting a big smile on my face.
		Really?
		So I want to let you know about that.
		Absolutely.
		What do you mean, real?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought when I said that I was going to talk some politics tonight that everybody would go, I'm turning it off right now.
		Canceling everything I have.
		My mortgage too.
unidentified		No, I come from a long line of... I have a degree in history and I come from a long line of folks that, you know, we sat around when we were kids in the 60s and the 70s and sometimes we didn't even get up from the dinner table until 10 o'clock at night from talking about the world and politics and my parents were real into it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I love politics, but... Well, you've got to admit, this is a banner year for interesting.
unidentified		Oh, absolutely.
		You know, it reminds me a lot of the first election that I was able to participate in.
		I was 18 years old in 1980.
		And I got to listen to, you know, all the stuff about Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter and everything like that.
		And it's kind of spooky how I remember the same rhetoric being used about Ronald Reagan as people are trotting out now with Donald Trump.
		And it's, you know, I just don't get Well, we know where it comes from, of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It comes from the question on David Duke, and that was probably something that I, you know, his answer I didn't agree with.
unidentified		Now, I know many, many, many, many times he has disavowed, but on that night, and intentionally I might add, he didn't disavow, he just sort of Yeah, well listen, I just wanted to tell you that I've listened since the 90s, I'm a rock musician, I listen to you night after night after night forever, whenever we're available and everything.
		This last time you were on, you were mentioning this bell gap all the time.
		So I kind of lurked there for four months reading this stuff that's on Bell Gabbin.
		I just want to tell you, Art, don't bud with those people, man.
		Are you kidding me?
		Don't worry about what these people are saying.
		It seems to me, judging by the writing and the spelling and the grammar and stuff, that these kids are like 40 years old and less.
		I'm 53 myself.
		And it just seems to me that it's just people trying to get other people's goat constantly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they have an attitude.
		You know, that's alright.
		Look, I don't shy away from rough.
		I never have.
		And I used to run a BBS when I was young.
		I actually wrote the code in BASIC for a BBS before the internet.
		And I had a place called the War Room on my BBS.
		And it was actually intended for people who, well, want war.
		I don't mean world war, I mean personal war.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, I can handle it.
unidentified		Well, I know, but I mean, it seems like sometimes you just, you get a little perturbed by it, and I'm just trying to, I just want to be out here and just go, Art, you are the master.
unidentified		There are only a couple of talk show hosts in the last 50 years that can do what you do, and don't let anybody get to you, because you're the best, I love you, and that's about all I have to say.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, come on, you should have one more nice thing to say.
		I'm kidding, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		Have a great night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, good.
		I'm glad to hear you guys are jumping on it.
		It is interesting.
		Love him.
		Hate him.
		With unmitigated hate.
		Whatever.
		It's interesting.
		It is the most interesting political season I think I'll ever see in my life.
		It's even better than Then House of Cards.
		And I love House of Cards.
		Binge watch it whenever I can, but... Anybody out there?
		Mr. and Mrs. Trump for... By acclamation, right?
		Some of you will know what that means.
		Hello there.
		Myrtle Beach, I think.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hey Art.
		This is Jason.
		In reference to the drones that you were talking about... Oh, yes.
		Yeah, you bought one.
		Just for my information, do you have to have a special license or can anybody go out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, anybody can go out, but you do need simply to go up to a website and register your name, pay five bucks, you'll get a little decal I hear now.
		The CFAA website, and you get a little decal with a number on it, and that's all you've got to do.
		It's five bucks and a couple minutes to do it.
unidentified		That's all.
		Okay.
		Well, that clarifies it a little bit.
		The reason I bring that up, I was thinking about what you were saying, and my head being the way it is, I'm thinking about human nature and 15 years out, and the way that if, let's say, half of your block owns a drone, Well, you know, the nosy neighbors and that kind of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People will be putting cameras on these things and I... Oh, they come cameras pre-installed, sir, including 4K video if you want it.
unidentified		So their privacy's going to kind of become a thing of the past, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nah, I don't think so.
		I would never dare hover my drone, for example, outside somebody's window.
		Because sure as can be, they're going to go find a rifle or shotgun or even handgun at that distance and put it out of its misery.
		And that's a lot of money down the drain, so no.
unidentified		That's true, that's true.
		Yeah, I can see that.
		It just got me thinking, because even if in the world of crime I can see I don't know that far out people putting guns or something remotely flying around if they have an enemy or something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They've already put a handgun on a drone and what was really cool is the drones hold position by GPS so if you watch the video of it being fired boom and the drone backs up and then goes right back to immediately to the position it was in Uh, that it's holding on GPS.
		Uh, so it's like you can see the recoil and it would come right back.
		It was amazing.
		So it's already, they're already doing it.
unidentified		Wow.
		Yeah.
		It's going to be a brave new world 15 years from now.
		That's for sure.
		Um, one other thing in reference to the, this may be a little ethereal about, uh, the thing that you would fear.
		Well, if you, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The thing you would do if you had no fear.
unidentified		If you had no fear, period, at all.
		That's right.
		I guess, I don't know what I would do if I had no fear at all.
		I think I would be worried about a world where people had no fear.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the purpose of this question, sir, it applies only to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So if your fear was completely gone, you'd do anything you want, what would you do?
unidentified		I would probably, if the means were there, would attempt to go into outer space if I had the money or something like that.
unidentified		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even knowing it might be a one-way gig?
unidentified		Exactly.
		Maybe even Mars.
		That would be very tempting to do.
		And I think if I had no fear, I would do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mars.
		Yeah, that is probably a one-way ticket.
		A lot of people signed up to do it.
		I don't know what that says about people.
		Maybe it says there's a lot of people out there.
		Without any fear at all.
		I don't know.
		Anyway, I gave you mine.
		I'd like to fly like a... Well, like a bird, I guess, you know.
		I'm one of those uniforms.
		Jump off something really high and fly.
		That's what we're doing tonight.
		Flying.
		Anything you want to talk about, open lines.
		Anything goes.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bauer.
		To initiate a dialogue sequence with Art Bell, please coordinate your phalanges and call
		1952-225-5278.
		That's 1952.
		Call Art.
		And there are other ways.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're fortunate enough to have Skype on your phone or computer or whatever, you can
unidentified		get to us and you'll sound really good, too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here in North America, we are MITD51.
		That's MITD-51.
		And outside North America, welcome.
		MITD-55 on Skype.
		That's MITD-55.
		And we're talking about whatever you want to talk about tonight.
		I have simply said that it's okay to talk politics, and so far it's kind of been going that way.
		I might also ask you about the ongoing battle between the government and Apple.
		I wonder where you come down on that?
		Yeah, it's important.
		It's a terrorist's phone.
		But Apple's saying, you know, basically, if we write that, your privacy is gone.
		That's a pretty compelling argument if you got their product, right?
		But the other argument's compelling, too.
		So they are dissimilar and never to meet.
		There is one thing that I don't understand.
		Why can't the government just give the phone to Apple and say, open it, don't tell us how, and then give it back?
		We'll do what we have to do with the phone, and that's that.
		So that way Apple could keep the code, they've got the job done, secret, But open it for the government.
		Now, there's probably a hole in that theory somewhere, because they haven't done it.
		It seems like a common sense solution to me, if possible.
		But they haven't done that, so there's got to be a reason why.
		Right?
		Let's go to... I'll just hit this, and it will pick Hays, Kansas, I think, on Skype.
		Hello there, you're on the air!
		Hello!
		In Hays, Kansas, is what it says.
		You're on the air.
		Going once, going twice, going three times.
		And hello there, you instead are on the air, because whoever it was in Kansas went away.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hi, Art!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		How have you been?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Um, very well indeed, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about yourself?
unidentified		Oh, I'd be good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I've got a ham joke for you.
		I'm from Spokane, Washington.
		Okay.
		Spokane.
		Excellent.
		Yes.
		And I've got a ham radio joke for you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A what joke?
		Ham radio.
		Ham radio.
		Okay.
		Go ahead.
unidentified		What did the ham operator say when he fell off his tower?
unidentified		Out that megahertz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, thanks for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll remember it when I'm climbing.
unidentified		Yep.
		All right.
		That's all I got for ya.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		Have a good, good morning or whatever it is, wherever you are.
		Hello there.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello Art.
		Hello.
		Yes.
		Hold on a second, I've got to turn something off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you've got plenty of warning you're going to be on the air.
unidentified		It was a furnace that kicked on and it was loud.
		Yes, I was going to tell you about what you would do if you had no fear.
		Yes.
		And it involves, you'd have to have money too and technology I guess.
		You gave me the idea, but not flying.
		I would want to dive into the ocean if I had a suit that could change seawater into oxygen or whatever.
		You're protected from pressure and temperature and all that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That'll come soon, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Science is advancing quickly, and if you want gills, you'll get gills.
unidentified		But I mean, be able to go deep and investigate these U.S.O.
unidentified		bases.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well that's what gills are for.
unidentified		With cameras on it and stuff, you know what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, sure.
		Yeah, that's what gills are for.
		It wouldn't be that hard to do.
		They're coming right along with genetic science.
		And before you know it, you'd be a fish.
		Hello there, it just says U.S.
		Cellular, so you get away with that.
		Welcome to the show.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Hello!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi!
unidentified		Hi!
		Oh, OK, great.
		I have a million questions to ask you.
		This is Heather in Providence.
		Hello, Heather.
		Hello.
		But I guess I'll stick with the mundane.
		I have a question, because I know you're a huge Trump supporter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
		That's not fair.
		I'm not a huge Trump supporter.
		I'm excited by what's going on.
		I haven't decided if I'm a huge Trump supporter, but go ahead.
unidentified		Well, I mean, how do you feel about him, like, kicking protesters out in, like, 9 degree weather and saying to take their coat before they kick them out?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not as bad as waterboarding.
unidentified		No, it's not.
		Give me your coat, you're out of here!
		Why not take their coat and their shirt?
		you know, not to be meant, I mean, you know, it's kind of, well I don't want to say it,
		but yes, I'm going to say it, it's fascist.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why not take their coat and their shirt? Now see, that's embarrassing.
unidentified		Well, no, because you're not supposed to do that to people that disagree with what you say.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
		I guess that's right, yeah.
		But in a way, I'll argue, you know, just for the sake of argument for you, now these protesters, they are trying to, and did in fact, infringe on his right to free speech, right?
unidentified		Well, yeah, they were trying to... Well, no, they were... Well, yeah, yeah, they did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he didn't get to speak.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He had to cancel the rally for fear of violence.
unidentified		He didn't cancel it, though, did he?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did.
unidentified		No, he didn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, hon.
unidentified		In Chicago... He went on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, in Chicago tonight, he canceled a rally.
unidentified		Oh, I didn't know that.
unidentified		I was more speaking about Vermont.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, he canceled a rally with thousands and thousands of people, as he would say.
		Excellent people.
		Lovely people.
		He cancelled it.
		Well, they weren't all lovely people.
		I mean, there were protesters from an organized, very organized group.
		I mean, making him cancel a thing like that, that's like taking somebody's First Amendment away.
unidentified		Yeah, I kind of wonder if that's really the reason he canceled then, because that doesn't seem like he would cancel for that reason.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He canceled on the advice of the police authorities in Chicago.
unidentified		Oh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because they were worried about what was going to happen.
unidentified		Well, I mean, but, you know, Speeches he had before in other places like Vermont.
		Yeah, they've had some small things, yeah.
		Well, yeah, I mean, how do you feel about that?
		Don't you think that's like a bad omen?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I mean, if you're giving a political speech, it's just rude to interrupt somebody in the middle of that, don't you think?
unidentified		Yeah, okay.
		Alright.
		Yeah, but you're not supposed to, like, kick them out and take their clothes in, like, nine degree weather.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, like I said, I mean, they really should have taken the shirt too.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I get where you're coming from.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just don't agree with it, but that's alright.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you, would you, what you do if you go to a Trump rally and you're going to protest, you know, you need to layer up.
unidentified		I'm sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may take your coat.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You got another one underneath.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call.
		And take care.
		And you are on the air wherever you are.
		Hello?
unidentified		Huh.
		Huh, what?
		Yes.
		Hello?
		Yes.
		Hello?
		Hello?
		Yes, hello.
		Oh, is it me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Only you know that for sure, but it sounds like it might be you.
unidentified		No, I'm sorry.
		I thought I heard somebody else coming on.
		Hey, you old rascal.
		It's good to have you back on the air.
		You sound great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
		What's up?
		You know, I'm just going to say I'm a pretty liberal guy.
		You know, I'm an ex... How liberal are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you Hillary liberal?
unidentified		No, I'm saying I'm an ex-liberal.
		Well, I'm somewhat liberal.
		So you're definitely not a Bernie liberal?
		No, actually I like Bernie.
		Over Hillary, I like Bernie very much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding, really?
		Then you're very liberal.
		I mean, really liberal.
unidentified		Yeah, except the guy that I would vote for definitely is Trump.
unidentified		I am excited about the fact that the status quo and the old guard And the CNN and these guys, they're more paranoid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I about fell on the table.
		Are you serious?
		I mean, first of all, you like Bernie.
unidentified		No, I'm totally serious.
		But you're going to vote for... Liberal ideas.
		You're going to vote for Trump?
		Seriously?
		No, I'm totally serious.
		Where are you anyway?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What state are you in?
unidentified		I'm in Charlottesville, Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Virginia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then you may have already voted for him.
unidentified		No, I didn't even vote in the primary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you're going to the general.
unidentified		I've only voted twice since I've gotten... You are going to the general though, right?
		Going to, oh yeah, yes, oh absolutely.
		Yeah, at this point.
		But I think it's exciting, I think what we're seeing is that the people are that sick of everything and that they are, they're waking up, they're slowly waking up and saying, just like the movie Network, You know, they're opening the windows and saying, I can't stand it, and you know, I'm not going to take it anymore.
		And it's scaring the hell out of the status quo.
		Oh, it sure does.
		Yeah?
		And the more paranoid they get, doesn't that make you feel like, gee, you know, even so, the more paranoid the status quo gets, the more it makes me feel like we're doing the right thing by going for Trump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, um, you may be right.
		I mean, you're jumping harder than I am, but, you know, let me read this to you, sir.
		It's what I said, and again, I don't frequently come up with something that I really like myself, but I wrote this back when?
		Actually, March 3rd.
		Donald Trump may or may not be what America wants or needs, but one thing for sure, the establishment that so hates him, ...has brought this on themselves by again and again failing to do the things they promise in election after election.
		Yes, there's anger, and they have only themselves to thank for it.
unidentified		Is that about what you mean?
		That's exactly what I mean.
		I mean, we're the richest country in the world, and look what's happened with the educational system in the last 30 or 40 years.
		Look what's happened with our infrastructure.
		Everything's falling apart.
		We're a mess.
		We're just going in the wrong direction.
		It's like evaporation.
		The money in the country just evaporates and goes up to that one-tenth of one percent, it seems.
		And people are just tired of that.
		You have a lot of people, guys that have to work, or even women that have to work two jobs just to get by.
		So when I say I'm liberal, I'm liberal in the sense that I would like to see the minimum wage raised to something like $15 an hour because I think then you'd find that these people have a little bit more respect for themselves and they wouldn't have to maybe pull Robberies or maybe do drugs because you're so depressed.
		I think there's a lot of pluses that could be had.
		So that's what I mean about being liberal.
		I think that... So in other words, give them $15 an hour so they don't rob places.
		Well, $15 an hour, because if you're working in McDonald's again, what do they get, $9 an hour?
		I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I honestly don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Not much, I guess.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, think about that, though.
		You work 40 hours, it's, say, $9 an hour.
		And then by the time the government's done picking everything up, you get $280.
		How are you going to support a family or do anything?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's true.
unidentified		The middle class, really roughing it.
		It's evaporating, too.
		Just like the money.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it is, sir.
		You're absolutely right, and everything else that he talks about, I agree with as well.
		Look at our roads.
		God, what a mess.
		You know, I remember, back when I was young, that you would drive out west, you'd hit the California roads, and oh, when you got to California, the roads were like heaven.
		Because they were relatively new at that point, right?
		They were great.
		Just cruising along smooth as can be.
		But the roads in California now are a holy disaster.
		Quite literally.
		The bridges aren't safe.
		And yeah, America has been deteriorating and in meaningful ways too.
		What is it we are?
		Number what in education now?
unidentified		We're the richest country in the world!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on!
		We can't educate people?
		That's the future.
		If you don't have an educated population, you certainly aren't going to have jobs no matter what.
unidentified		At least anybody can do them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, uh, let me go to, looks like Hayes, Kansas, I guess.
unidentified		Hello?
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		From the Great Plains of Kansas, this is James listening to you on a software-defined radio on WTWW.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way to go!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		5085 on your shortwave dial.
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		Actually, it's a software-defined radio.
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		It's a little USB tuner that I have run up to a A long wire antenna and a digital antenna.
unidentified		Yeah, a lot of people don't know we can be heard on shortwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They just don't know that.
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's great.
		We transmit worldwide.
		They're a great group of people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, they are.
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so I wanted to weigh in on the whole Trump thing, but first I think I want to ask the question that all of your diehard fans should be asking.
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		How did Asia do on the regional spelling bee?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, see what you think of this.
		I'm no fan, by the way, of Common Core, but Asia did this.
		She won the spelling bee in her classroom.
		That was the first thing she did.
		Then she won against the other third grade class in the school.
		And then she won.
		She's representing the school, the whole school.
		She went on to the big spelling bee district-wide.
		But here's what I thought was a little bit unfair.
		She got knocked out in, like, Round 11 or something like that.
		I can't remember what it was, but what I thought wasn't fair was that they gave third, fourth, and fifth graders were all lumped together.
		Now, how can that be fair?
		I mean, she did really, really well, and she beat all the other third graders, but But really, by the time you're in 5th grade, you're at a whole new level of expertise in spelling.
		Anyway, that's what she did.
		She went quite a long, a very long way in it.
		And I was so proud of her.
		So proud of her.
		So, a down in like round 11, something like that.
		But up against 5th graders, 4th and 5th graders at the same time.
		So, yep, Daddy's proud of Asia.
		She did so well.
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad you're getting to enjoy your family.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, thank you.
tim in colby ▲ ● ▼		Okay, with the whole Trump thing, my thing with Trump, the thing that I'm worried about, is he seems pretty hot-headed and he seems like he refuses to admit when he's made a mistake.
unidentified		And I don't know if I want a guy like that with a nuclear football at his disposal.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, if he pushed the button and sent the intercontinental ballistic missiles with thermonuclear warheads toward Russia, you don't think he'd apologize?
unidentified		I think that we wouldn't get a chance to hear an apology, but that's just my take on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		Well, you know, I know a lot.
		Grind their teeth when I say it, but I think there are two Donald Trumps.
		One that is campaigning for office and another one that would help the country.
		That's my take on it.
		He'd make good deals.
		And that's what politics is.
		It's deal-making.
		Do I think he'd get angry at, you know, have a hot phone call with Putin and then push the button?
		No, I really don't.
		Although that's an issue that people are going to worry about.
		Do you remember a long time ago?
		Are you old enough to remember the nuclear mushroom cloud inside the little girl's eye?
		It was an election long, long ago that most of you probably don't remember, but that was used against a politician.
		The concept of a little girl's eye in the camera Came zooming in on the little girl's eye, and there was a nuclear mushroom cloud.
		And, of course, the inference that that man is going to get us into a nuclear war.
		On Skype, Rhonda, I believe it is.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		This is Rhonda in Arizona.
		I gotta tell you, um, I work in the ER, and a few weeks ago before flu season, I turned some people on to your man-flying-into-area-51 call.
		Oh, yes.
		I had ER doctors and surgeons and nurses glued to the YouTube.
		That night, I kid you not, this light kept going on in a room that there was no patient in.
		Ooh.
		Happened four times.
		Do you know what that room number was?
		Um, no.
		It was 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Room 51.
unidentified		How weird is that?
		Nobody in the room and the light just kept going on all by itself.
		Yep.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Fairly weird, I would say.
unidentified		We miss you.
unidentified		Shout out to DM Talk and your voice is awesome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so is yours.
		Thank you very much for the call and take care.
		DM Talk.
		They follow the show along.
		Just in that room, huh?
		Room 51.
		I think that if I went to the hospital, and they assigned me to room 51, you know, I do favor that number.
		And by the way, I meant to mention, there is a new area.
unidentified		Did you know that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't.
		Area 51, just over the hill from me here, And now, the brand spanking new, so-called, Area 6.
		Now, Area 6 is interesting.
		It is located inside the area where we tested nuclear weapons.
		So you would think it would be hotter than a firecracker.
		Even this many years later.
		But I guess they don't get a lot of, well, intruders.
		You'd be out of your mind, right?
		Go on to Area 6.
		No, I don't think so.
		You can hear the rads clicking from here.
		So I don't know if that's real or not, but that's what I've heard, that there is an Area 6.
		Wouldn't you like to know what they're doing there?
		Let's go to the phone, and hello, you're on the air, wherever you are.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
		Hello.
		Mike in Montana.
		Hey.
		I was listening earlier about the Trump thing, My wife kind of likes him.
		She's wanting somebody to really do a change on the country, you know, to maybe turn things around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your wife?
		Now, your wife wants him.
		What do you want?
unidentified		Well, I'm in a predicament where I can't do anything.
		I'm one of the disenfranchised from ever voting again.
		Well, they have little pills for that.
		Yeah, but right now there's about 50 million of us out of 350 million.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm just messing with you.
unidentified		There's like one out of seven that can't vote, ever.
		Because, let me guess, they have a record.
		Either a record or, you know, something that prevents them from voting either by being illegal You know, you could have a record.
		But there's roughly 60 million people in this country that still can't vote.
		And I'm just kind of concerned that one day that, you know, they're going to say, OK, yeah, well, y'all can vote.
		I think Obama was probably the one who was going to do that, but he never did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sir, they won't even give illegal aliens driver's licenses in most states.
		But the concept of having them Voting is absolutely terrifying.
		Terrifying.
		So I don't mind that people who are here and have broken the law to get here can't vote.
		It doesn't bother me one bit.
unidentified		Oh, I agree, too.
		Good.
		I kind of think that the whole system, though, is... In the last 20 years, it's been stacked against people in general, and I hate to say it, it's been aimed at the middle class to kind of tone us back So we don't have a voice anymore.
		I think they've taken too many liberties with.
		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So do you have this famous anger, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, would you, or maybe your wife, uh, your wife?
unidentified		Well, no, she, she loves Trump.
		She thinks he'll, he'll help the country.
		I was a manufacturer for 38 years.
		I just, I just, uh, you know, lost my job here a year ago, but it's, it's, uh, You know, the country has been on a downslide for a long, long time.
		And, uh... I just see it, you know, if Trump can't do it, who can?
		I mean, really.
		I mean, Cruz sounds... He reminds me of the Penguin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, we've got a break.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You wanna hang on?
unidentified		Sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Stay right where you are.
unidentified		You keep saying you've got something for me.
		Something you call love, but confess You've been a mess and well you shouldn't have been
		Miles and miles and miles Take a walk on the wild side of Midnight
		From the Kingdom of Nigh, this is Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell.
		Please call the show at 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952.
		Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is, and you can get to us on Skype, too.
unidentified		Here in North America, we're MITD51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's MITD51 on Skype.
		And outside of North America, rest of the world, it's MITD55.
		M-I-T-D.
		Five, five.
		Let it ring till it's answered.
unidentified		You'll know when you hear audio from the show that you're close.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So don't hang up.
		All right.
		We were discussing, I believe, your wife's anger, sir.
unidentified		She likes Trump, but my concern about him is I know he'll have to work with Congress.
		Will they work with him?
		And I imagine, internationally, he has a Yeah, well, that's what he's been saying.
		I just don't know how he's going to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He has not ruled out waterboarding.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you, a congressman, they're going to fold just like that.
unidentified		Gurgle, gurgle, and they agree.
unidentified		You know, I hate to say this, but in war, there shouldn't be really any rules.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, now you're over to war.
unidentified		There should be win or lose, and we can't afford to lose.
unidentified		Because they don't play by any rules.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, they don't.
		Something that Trump has been pointing out, and he's right, they play by no rules whatsoever.
		Now, we have to have some, I guess, rules.
unidentified		I had fought in Vietnam, and he said it was nuts.
		He expected them to line up, and they never did.
		They came from all sides, everywhere, out of the ground, dropping out of trees.
		They said it was insane.
		It was insane.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More ways than one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole war was insane.
unidentified		Yes, it's getting worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And we still haven't learned to stay out of people's civil wars.
unidentified		Yeah.
		We're still trying to influence everybody to think the way we do.
		We aren't.
		I'm not so sure we're doing such a great job ourselves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, that's something Trump has said.
		He said, for example, some of the guys that we've knocked down, you know, regime change, you know, it hasn't worked out well.
		That's an understatement, right?
		Has not worked out well.
		And I do agree with that.
		You know, if you're going to go to war, go to war.
		I mean, really go to war.
		And there are not many rules in war.
		There is the Geneva Convention.
		He's got to follow the law.
		He's got to adhere to it, right?
		You know, again, I'm going back to this safe haven of mine, and that is that they brought it on themselves.
		Let's go to Skype and... CryptoLord, that's your name, is it?
unidentified		Mark, so good to hear you tonight!
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, so somebody named CryptoLord ought to have an opinion on Apple and the government, right?
unidentified		Yeah, you know, it's kind of hard to say about that.
unidentified		I kind of think that Apple should stick by their guns on it and not give up the code or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am in agreement with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I figure somebody named CryptoLord is like really, really into the Internet and tech stuff like that, right?
unidentified		Yeah, I remember I emailed you that time about Windows 10.
		In fact, I've got a good story about Windows 10 for you.
		Did you put 10 on your computers yet?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I have not.
		I have not.
		I'm not buying into it.
		I'll tell you why.
		I had this giant message inviting me once again to Windows 10, telling me that there could be no file left behind or something enticing like that.
		And I thought, cool.
		And then there was a little thing that said, check your system.
		Next to it, to see if there might be any files left behind.
		And sure enough, it gave me a little list of files that would be left behind.
unidentified		Did you get that?
		Uh-huh.
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, no, I haven't gone to ten.
unidentified		Yeah, my friend, give a shout out to my friend Tristan, he lives out here in the San Diego area too.
		He's the one who turned me on to your show years and years ago when you were first on.
		He was in his garage working on his motorcycles a couple of nights ago and he left his computer on sleep.
		So he was gone for about three hours and he was getting the same messages you were getting.
		So he came back in from the garage and took the computer out of sleep.
		And Windows 10 had installed itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was actually a rumor going around, sir, that there was going to be a day when they were going to do it to you, whether you wanted it or not.
unidentified		But it happened to him.
unidentified		He's got Windows 10 on there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe he just inadvertently hit the wrong thing, or there might have been a little power surge, or who knows.
		And a non-response turned into a, yes, convert me.
		I'll take it now.
unidentified		Hey, Art, can I ask you, since you've been away from the mic for a while now, have you been eating any more light bulbs?
		I remember that one of those last shows you had, and I remember you were on Periscope holding the light bulbs up, and I was thinking about that tonight when you came on.
		I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't think it did any good to do that, but I did go on Periscope.
		I held up a real light bulb, and then I, well, let me ask, did you buy it when you heard that crunch?
		Did you think that I had done it?
unidentified		Uh, 50-50.
unidentified		You got some potato chips sitting there next to you, or are you actually eating that light bulb?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Ah, those good old days.
		Anyway, is that it?
		Anything else?
unidentified		Uh, one last question I keep forgetting to ask you when I've called up in the past.
		Whatever happened to the Trans Am?
		Do you still have your Trans Am?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tim, right I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		Isn't it a 98?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Firebird Trans Am.
		98, yeah.
		I saw it, sir, on the Super Bowl.
		They trotted it out on the Super Bowl, and it was probably around, it was right around halftime.
		You know, I was in a pretty good mood.
		And here comes this Firebird Trans Am.
		Oh, this incredible color.
		Not black.
		Not purple, but sort of a tinge of purple.
		And it was actually called, the color was called Midnight Maybe.
		And this thing looked like an animal.
		And it is an animal.
		It's six forward speeds.
		And you bet I've got it.
		Still got it.
		Low mileage, garage kept, a thing of true No matter how you crack it up and talk about it.
		True beauty.
		I mean true, true beauty.
		Overseas on Skype.
		You're on.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello on Skype.
		Going once.
		Going twice.
unidentified		Hey Al, I'm Jimmy Webb.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh, there you are.
		Where were you?
		Across two rooms?
unidentified		Sorry, fella.
		Yeah, I was in the other room for just a second there.
		I heard you talking with your other friend about the light bulbs.
		Them curly bulbs, though, you've got to worry about, especially if they burst.
		They're toxic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I wouldn't eat either one of them, actually.
unidentified		But anyway, look, I'd like to welcome you back.
		It's great to hear your voice again.
		It's good to hear you.
		Thank you.
		With regards to you, Keith and Heather, great top show you're doing.
		But, um, the questions I've got for you, if you've got a couple of minutes, um, I'd like to ask your opinion on a couple of things.
		You know, today on the news I saw that Newt Gingrich, the former congressman there, he claims that Donald Trump don't have the backing of the big club.
		And I was wondering, is that a Bilderberg club, a club of Rome, or the Illuminati club, I'm thinking?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because I remember George Carling... I don't think he's got the backing of any big clubs, really.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe a golf club?
unidentified		And also, with Donald Trump, if he does win, I'm a bit concerned, because I remember these cards that were out and about in the 80s and 90s called the Illuminati cards.
		Pictorial cards.
		Where are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not even in America, right?
unidentified		No, I'm in London, England.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in London?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		OK, there you have it.
unidentified		I'm with James Coho.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what can he possibly do to you in London?
unidentified		Well, if he gets in, um, I think that, like, it might be a good thing, because I think that we'll separate from Europe and we'll get our independence back, and I think he'll back us.
unidentified		I think if we get our independence and, say, uh, you know, the other guy gets in, or, you know, Mrs, you know, um, well, I worry if she gets in.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, have you seen, have you seen London Has Fallen yet?
unidentified		Yeah, I have, and I'm a bit disturbed by it, because it says that, like, the Metropolitan Police can't choose their policemen properly, and I'm wondering, there is quite a few, sort of, uh...
		You know, internationals that have come in and been part of our police, and also been part of our MI6, you know?
		So, we have internationals that come in and are members, obviously to cope with the internationals that we have here.
		But yeah, it was very disturbing.
		I thought that, if anything, it was trying to break ties with England and America, saying that we're not trustworthy enough to be with America.
		But the truth is, I think that if you look at the backbone of this club, They're all very, very closely tied, you know?
		Yes.
		And the other thing I wanted to talk to you about was the drones arc.
		You know, you talked about getting a new drone.
		I did.
		And there's some quite good ones on the farm.
		Oh, yes.
		But you mentioned Area 6, you know, part of the Area 51.
		My understanding is that's a DARPA, Department of Advanced Research Programme Agency, and it's a drone base.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, why would they put it right in the middle of the area where we exploded the atomic bombs, did all the testing?
unidentified		Well, that's the Trinity area, isn't it?
		And it was sort of carved up into numbers in a grid reference, and that's how we hit Area 51 and Area 6.
		It's grid referenced from the Trinity system of the 40s.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you were there, would you be a happy drone operator in the middle of Area 6, knowing that you're probably glowing?
unidentified		Well, what concerns me about it is that if these drones are coming out of Area 6, they're not like an international flight where they carry gallons and gallons of fuel so they can go international.
		It says to me that they're working over your country.
		They're looking over your people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No doubt.
unidentified		And that disturbs me, you know?
		Well... You know, I'm not trying to scam them to you.
		They may well be looking after your safety.
		You know what I mean?
		So let's look at it in that light as well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The whole idea, sir, of drones... Listen, the whole idea of drones is creepy.
		I mean, even my, somebody asked me on the wormhole what drone I have.
		I have the, uh, now I have the 3 Advanced.
		The DJI 3 Advanced.
		And now they have one, uh, or actually a couple ahead of that, but the new one has collision avoidance.
		Anyway, uh, the whole concept of drones is a little freaky, or a lot freaky.
		Even my little drone, at about 250 300 feet of altitude, you can't see that baby.
		Especially if it's a bright sky, anywhere near the sun, you absolutely can't see it.
		Even against a blue sky, it's about disappeared from my old eyes.
		You can't, definitely can't hear it.
		And above that, it's invisible.
		So, most of the time, you're not going to know when a drone's over you.
		Now, when you take the big drones, the ones that can really spit at you, They fly really high, probably 5, 10,000 feet higher, with great photography.
		Make even 4K video look silly.
		So they can hang, they can loiter over an area, which they do.
		And then, of course, they can disappear you.
		Now, you will never hear what's coming at you.
		It's coming, probably, speed of sound, plus plus, right?
		So you're never gonna know that you're dead, You're never going to hear anything.
		Before you die, you're just going to disappear.
		You're going to cease to exist.
		And our president has been criticized for using too many of them.
		I wonder how you feel about that.
		It's another good question.
		Let's go to Skype and Brad.
		Hello, Brad.
		Hey, Art.
		How are you?
		I'm very well, sir.
unidentified		That's good to hear.
		I actually I just happened to check in with you.
		My wife and I were coming home from a midnight movie and put on tune-in radio, Dark Matter, and you're on, so... Here I am.
		I actually was calling, and I'm hoping it's open lines in general.
		I know you were... It is totally open, whatever.
		I've been meaning to call and sort of ask a story.
		When you had, I believe it was David Weatherly on, you know, back in the fall.
		And he was talking about shadow people.
		I had had an experience, or rather two experiences in my life, that Dr. Weatherly was talking about, and it kind of triggered something in me.
		I had felt years ago that I had a haunted mirror in my house.
		And I had an experience one night, it was sort of around the time of my father's death, Um, an old mirror, sort of an antique mirror that my ex-girlfriend had in the bedroom.
		One night it was as if a cloud started coming out of this mirror.
		And I was fully awake.
		Somehow too concerned to wake my girlfriend at the time because I just thought it seemed too crazy, but it just seemed like this dark malevolent cloud was coming out of his mirror into the room.
		And, you know, years sort of passed by and that was the only time that I ever felt this sort of dark shadow entity.
		And I thought maybe it was just... Well, did you see an entity or just yourself?
		Well, I was lying in bed.
		It was actually really late.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sometimes when I look in the mirror, it looks like a dark, evil entity looking back to me.
unidentified		I'm quite familiar with that phenomenon as well.
		But years later, I thought that maybe it was just stress from around the time that my father was really ill at the time.
		And it never happened again.
		But since that relationship, it ended and the mirror was out of my house.
		I had moved into a new house.
		Then there was another One other experience that I had where it seemed as if a mirror in my home was releasing some sort of just shadow, malevolent cloud into my home.
		Now, Dr. Weatherly spoke very, very briefly on your interview on Midnight in the Desert about mirrors as some sort of entry point for shadow creatures, but it was really brief and I was just... Well, mirrors are entry points here for all kinds of things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, expect anything.
		I mean, we all know in the paranormal world that mirrors are, well, virtually capable of anything, to be honest with you.
		So, I can imagine that about anything happened to you.
		A little bit of fog, twice in a lifetime, nothing too much to worry about, in my opinion, but you never know.
		Mirrors are No, I'll stop there.
		I actually had a couple of experiences, and I don't really want to talk about it, but you know I've had one with a shadow person.
		Finally, all those years talking about it, and I had an experience with a shadow person.
		Christopher Overseas, somewhere.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello, hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the Sniffer.
		Christopher the Sniffer.
		Hey, Christopher.
unidentified		Hello?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, hello.
unidentified		Oh, no, this is Josh.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Josh?
unidentified		Yes, from, uh, back, from, uh, Arizona.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From Arizona?
		Oh, Josh.
		Yeah.
		You're, you're on the international Skype connection, so I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to call on the other one.
		That's so cruel, right?
		I didn't take his jacket, but, you know, he's gonna have to call on the other one.
		Let's go to the phone lines and say, hello, you're on the air.
		Hello, hello.
		Milwaukee, Wisconsin, attention!
		Are you there or not?
		Going once, going twice, going three times, you're gone, and West Virginia would appear to be next.
unidentified		That's me, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, yes.
		I explained to Heather one night that I had listened to you for years and years on the radio and never called in.
		And she said I should have.
		So, I'm finally calling in.
		Yes.
		Just to say, nice to hear you on the radio again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You waited years for that?
unidentified		Yes, I waited years for that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I appreciate the, uh, the effort to actually make it through and say that, but, uh, say something of substance.
unidentified		Okay, uh, something of substance.
		Mm-hmm.
		Like you, I'm a very, very into time travel.
		And I enjoyed, uh, when you, uh, come back, the show you did with, uh, Madman Markham.
		Oh, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		All my life, I have been intrigued by the concept of time travel.
		Have you seen the movie, Frequency?
unidentified		No, I haven't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Then I highly, highly recommend it.
		If you're into time travel, you're gonna love, uh, Frequency.
		I mean, really love it.
		My wife, who watched it recently, was reduced to tears by that show.
		She actually cried.
		Not once.
		You saw it twice.
		She cried both times.
		That's how good it is.
		Also involves amateur radio.
		Ham Radio, by the way.
		But it's a big time, time travel movie.
		So anytime I see a movie, even remotely into that area, I jump upon it.
		It was really an amazing movie.
		All right, let's see.
		I have so many Skypes calling that I can't see who I've got.
		All right, there we go.
		Got you out front.
		And your name is, uh, Josh, I believe?
		Welcome.
unidentified		Yeah, hi Art.
		Hi.
		How's it going?
		Hey, I was wondering, uh, with you being out there and everything, uh, were you able to catch the new X-Files?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Did you catch, um, Heather's interview with, um, uh, I did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I caught part of Heather's interview and I saw all of the Exiles episodes.
		There were some people a little disappointed in a couple of the episodes.
		How did you feel?
unidentified		I actually thought they did a pretty good job.
unidentified		The only thing is the sixth episode made my jaw drop because now I'm thinking, okay, well, are they going to come out with another six episodes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How can you possibly end it that way and not have more episodes?
unidentified		Yes, and the other thing, too, is a while, a long time ago, when I was on scouts, and everybody could talk about fireballs and stuff like that, I remember seeing one that was bright orange, almost like the size of a basketball from a distance.
		Right.
		And, you know, it's just crazy to see those things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I see them all the time, or I used to, anyway.
		Driving back and forth to Las Vegas, and I would see things big as basketballs, and bigger, streaking across the sky, leaving, actually lighting everything up.
		Not quite daylight-type light, but very, very bright.
		Out here in the desert, you definitely see that sort of thing.
		It's really cool.
		And the stars at night?
		Ah, the stars.
		Let's go right here in Pahrump, Nevada.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're here in Pahrump, Nevada, right?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you tell them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How cool are the stars from here?
unidentified		Oh, they're beautiful.
unidentified		I love the stars at night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		From horizon to horizon, all Milky Way.
		It's incredible.
unidentified		Yes.
		I want to tell you what made me a believer in UFOs.
		Okay.
		I lived in Arizona right after I got out of the Air Force.
		And I was going to a dinner party at a friend's house.
		And?
		And his driveway is about a half a mile from the highway.
		And I see this dark object.
		It's about 6 o'clock and there's still daylight, but the sun had gone down behind the mountain.
		And this dark object with a bright light, probably about 400 feet up in the air, was shining down on a cow.
		In the pasture.
		So when I got up to the door, I knocked and I go, uh, come out here.
		Everybody come out here and look at this.
		And I was just amazed by this.
		I told my friend, I go, you know what?
		You're busted at it.
		I think they found your plants out there.
		And he goes, I don't have any plants out there in the pasture.
		And I go, well, what's, what is this?
		What's this light?
		And no noise.
		It was totally silent.
		And then about that time, two jets come into view, coming into the valley where I was.
		Chasing it, you think?
		Well, it wasn't chasing it because this was hovering, a black object hovering.
		As soon as the jets got any, well, probably 8 to 10 miles from it, it went off, the light went off, and in a blink of an eye, it was gone.
		And if there was humans in that, you know anything about G-Force, if there was human beings in that object... They'd have been jelly.
		They would have been jelly.
		And the jets just kept following, kept going in the same direction.
		They never changed direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now was that a local sighting here in Vermont?
unidentified		No, this was in Arizona.
		About 80 miles from Snowflake.
		You know where Travis Walton lives?
		Snowflake?
		Yeah, Snowflake.
		And I was about 80 miles from there.
		And this was back in 1980.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, since you are in Pahrump, have you ever seen anything here?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because we do have a lot of sightings here.
unidentified		Yeah, I've got two photographs I'd like to show you of things that I've actually taken pictures of.
		And I don't know what they are.
		And everybody I've showed it to, even my wife, they can't explain it either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, that's good enough for me.
		Yeah, send it.
		Send it, send it, send it.
		It's artbell at k-n-y-e dot com.
		That's me, Art Bell, at k-n-y-e kilowatt nancy yokohama easy dot com.
		And if you've got really good photos of something, I'll put them up.
unidentified		To reach Midnight in the Desert via Skype worldwide, if on a computer,
		please be sure to use a headphone mic and call MIT.
		That's MITD-51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's it.
		And let me give you the other numbers.
		Somebody said, are you going to use first-time caller lines?
		Sure I am.
		I might as well give out all the numbers.
		I don't care.
		First-time callers.
		Area code 775-285-5800.
		775-285-5800. 775-285-5800. Now we have a special line and heck you can call that too.
		I don't care.
		Area code 575-208-7787.
		That is the Roswell Portal.
		If you're actually calling through Roswell to get the show, when you do that.
		Area code 575-208-7787.
		And we are open for anything.
		through roswell's get show when you do that area code five seven five two zero
		eight seven seven eight seven and we are open for
		anything you want to talk about is fair game in that yes tonight does include
		political comment This is the most interesting, fascinating, riveting, outrageous political season I've ever seen in my life, and though politics most times bores me to tears, there's nothing boring about what's going on right now.
		Very controversial, to be sure, but boring?
		No, not boring.
		I couldn't resist.
		Sorry about that.
		I know that will put me in the hated class, but I am too old to care.
		Steven on Skype, you're on the air.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Hey Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Great to hear you on the radio again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Great to be here.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Hey, so I wanted to get your take on the fact that Rubio and Kasich are still in the race, even though there's no mathematical path to the nomination, and what you think will happen... Bingo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, are you asking the right one.
		I want to take it further than that.
		Rubio and Kasich are still there.
		Rubio said that if you want to vote for Kasich in Ohio, go ahead and do it.
		Basically, he said that.
		So that tells you what kind of pressure is being applied right now to stop Trump.
		And here's what I want to ask.
		So I said I was going to take it a little further.
		This is a rough question.
		If we get up to the, you know, we actually get to the point where the convention is here, nobody has quite enough delegates to be the nominee, and then the Republican Party Decides to through some weird rule change.
		I'm not talking about votes now I'm talking about some weird rule change to steal the election from Trump What do you think that would bring about?
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		I think I think they'll all sit I think a huge chunk like 40% of the Republican Party will sit the election out and they'll lose all the Senate races not only the presidency, but all the Senate and House races and I think it could be an absolute disaster, and I don't see how it cannot happen at this point.
		I mean, it seems like they're on a path to exactly that, and nobody has a solution to stop it.
		And I think they know, too, that Trump can't possibly win a general.
		So they don't really know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not convinced of that at all.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Really?
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		I think the highlight reel will take him down, his own highlight reel.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it might.
		It might.
		You never know, but so far, Everything they've predicted will be the end of Trump has only been higher numbers for Trump.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's been higher numbers inside the Republican electorate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, but I don't think, you know, when they... You're dismissing, sir, you're dismissing how many Democrats are crossing over.
		This is something CNN talked about.
		How many Democrats are crossing over?
		You're dismissing that.
		I think there are many.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		I watch CNN a lot, too, but I really don't think that's accurate.
		I don't think most Democrats are going to cross over.
		I think there's probably a few, but I just don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll find out, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to find out, that's for sure.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, I think it's fascinating.
		I'm with you.
		Politics gets boring, but this election is absolutely fascinating.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, baby, it's really the king of all the races that I've seen in my lifetime.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know how the Republicans, you know, with their reverence for America and democracy, I don't know how they reconcile that with staying in a race when there's no mathematical path.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there was nothing this cool.
		I remember Nixon sweating.
		That was about as cool as it got.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
stephen in skype ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, great to hear you back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
		I appreciate the call.
		Now, the question Was asked in earnest, and I want to ask it again of all of you.
		Any of you are certainly welcome to respond to it.
		And it is this.
		Just think for a moment.
unidentified		Just think about it for a moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If we get all the way to the convention, and now I'm not talking about votes.
		I mean, this is a valid way to try and stop Trump.
		If Rubio and all the rest of them that are left want to try and soak up enough delegates that, you know, he won't make it, you know, then what happens at an open convention?
unidentified		It could be virtually anything, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything.
		Once you've got an open convention, look out, baby.
		Anything could happen.
		But if he goes in with just about enough delegates, or enough delegates, And then they figure out some way to steal the election from him.
		That's really an ugly thought.
		The response to it would be frightening, I think.
		And I think it's actually likely.
		He may get enough delegates to go ahead and get the nomination.
		But if he doesn't and they actually steal it from him, That would be a bad moment in America.
		A very, very, very bad moment.
		Hello there.
		In Atlanta, I believe, you're on the air.
unidentified		Medgar Roswells, Art.
		Hey.
		Thank you.
		This is Juan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Juan.
unidentified		Yes.
		Shout-out to all the mail-gatherers.
		And I'm glad to hear you back, and I'm glad that there's... I'm hoping this isn't the last time you fill in, because I hope there's... I've got a dream...
		Interview I have to interview Bill Walton.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who would it be?
unidentified		Bill Walton.
		Okay, well, you never know.
		I mean, it could happen.
		Oh yeah, there's, I think you guys, you both, his new book, he's come out, it's going to be discussing his recovery from his back troubles, so I think you guys will have a lot more in common than you think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Thank you.
		My back troubles are, You can't believe.
		That little device I have helps immensely, but when you've got a back as bad as mine... You know, I watch these commercials on TV.
		I'm sure you've seen them, right?
		The guy has a bad back, he can't do anything, his daughter's frustrated because dad won't come walk the dog because it's backwards.
		That's me, right?
		And then they have this commercial on TV.
		About how they fix your back and you walk out of the office with a band-aid on your lower back.
		So I went to my doctor and I said, how about that, um, can I go to the band-aid place?
		Basically he sat me down and said, no, son, your back is, and then he used a word that I can't repeat.
		Even Donald couldn't repeat it.
		But, messed up.
		Leave it at that.
		Hello there, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi, I'm going to talk to you a little bit about Donald Trump.
		I think that any candidate who can appeal to Bernie Sanders supporters on the one hand, like your earlier caller, and appeal to right-wingers and their opposing party, what that tells me is he doesn't believe in anything.
		Because if you believe in everything, you don't believe in anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if he appeals to that... Wait a minute, let me tell you what I think there is going on with Donald, alright?
		I think that he has not talked about A lot of things that he probably should talk about, and I'm talking about details of what he'll do, because frankly, you know, they're accusing him of not being a conservative.
		He's probably not.
		He's probably kind of in between, and he doesn't want to reveal that.
		Frankly, I consider that to be a plus, that he's not a pure conservative, and he's definitely not.
unidentified		Well, yeah, but people, okay, but people oppose the quote-unquote establishment, which, whatever that is, he's a billionaire, but he's not part of the establishment.
		I think that's funny, but the establishment's attacked because it lies to voters, tricks them, doesn't deliver on its promises, but yet, at the same time, Trump gets praised because he's basically lying and pretending to be a conservative.
		I agree with you, he's not a conservative.
		I don't think he's seriously thought about political issues his whole life.
		He's a car salesman who just so will say anything to get you to sign on the dotted line.
		If you look at his political program, and so far as it exists, Well, I agree with him, sir.
		Hold on.
		to really believe in is building a wall to keep Mexicans out.
		Other than that, what does he believe in?
		I mean, he'll say whatever he wants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I agree with him, sir.
		Hold on.
		I agree with him on trade.
unidentified		Well, okay, but that's a good example of how he's living in fantasy land.
		He mentioned bringing Apple jobs back to the United States.
		That will never happen, because the wages in the United States are not going to be comparable to what you can pay in these other countries like Vietnam or China or wherever.
		And you can pass all the laws you want and raise the tariffs and whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, no, no, no, no, no.
		You can...
		You can gain something if you take a very hard position and you say, all right, there's going to be like a 45, they were talking about 45% tariff, and he said that's just a threat.
		And he's right.
		The only way you're going to get jobs back into the U.S.
		is to level a really big threat and then be prepared to follow through on it if you have to.
		And that would be very painful for the American people because prices would go up, but ultimately Ultimately, you would see factories starting to come back.
		I believe that.
unidentified		Yeah, the only way you, well if, let's say that happened, I don't believe that, but let's say it did happen, well then that means that the cost of your iPhone is going to go up a lot.
		So I hope everybody's ready for that.
		A lot, not a little bit, a lot.
		I know.
		So then, so what you're basically doing is raising prices on some consumer goods for the lowest level of the economy for middle class people, poor people who shop at Walmart and they want those cheap electronic goods and they want those cheap shirts.
		So let's make it more expensive by either imposing tariffs or Bringing the jobs back to the U.S.
		and paying them the higher wages.
		I love it when people say we should have a $15 minimum wage.
		Why stop there?
		Let's make it $25 an hour.
		I mean, the reality is that economics doesn't work that way.
		You can't create wealth by fiat.
		You can't create a law and say everybody's going to be rich.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do that.
unidentified		I'm not a rich person myself, but Trump is playing everybody for a sucker.
		I don't think he can win, but if he does win, I just can't wait for all the promises that will not be fulfilled.
		Because the American presidency isn't a dictatorship, and Donald Trump doesn't know what he wants to do either.
		I honestly think in other circumstances he could just as easily run as a Democrat, because if you look at a lot of what he says, he says he wants to repeal Obamacare, but he's for the individual mandate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm with you, man.
		I think he's as much a liberal as he is a conservative.
		I think he's all over the place, and doesn't have any fixed ideology at all.
		But frankly, sir, I consider that a plus.
unidentified		Well, I don't think if you look at his voters, one of the things that interests me is I think if you were to ask a Trump supporter, what is Trumpism?
		What does Trump believe?
		What is it you think he wants?
		I don't think anyone other than the wall would have any idea.
		And I mean, to me, that's I mean, that seems to be scary that we're just want to elect somebody because he wants to burn it says he wants to burn everything down or because he's mad.
		I mean, I'm mad, too, but I don't think that Anger is a good substitute for reason when we're selecting the leaders of the country, and I think it's kind of a little sad that we're going from Thomas Jefferson and Theodore Roosevelt to Donald Trump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, but we're not, sir.
		We're not.
		There's so much in between those guys and Trump.
		See, I read this earlier, and I'm not going to read it again, but basically I'm saying that the reason we've got Trump, the reason the establishment has Trump, Is because in election after election after election, they haven't followed through.
		They haven't done what they said they were going to do, and we're in big trouble.
		Whether you want to look at the debt, or you want to look at jobs, or the economy, or the roads, or whatever you want to look at, we are in trouble.
		I think we all agree on that.
		And in election after election, sir, since the Jeffersons, we haven't made progress.
		We're kind of moving back a little.
unidentified		Well, voters want to have the cake and eat it, too.
		They will complain that we have a debt, but then they don't want to either raise taxes or cut spending.
		They'll complain that Social Security is going to go bankrupt, but they don't want to do anything about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's going to be pain.
unidentified		There's going to be pain.
		The voters have to look in the mirror and blame themselves because they are not sophisticated enough to accept the trade-offs that have to be made to either preserve our entitlement programs or build to repair the crumbling infrastructure,
		whatever people want to complain about, it's their own fault because they
		cannot, like adults, look at these problems and accept the fact that you just can't
		have your cake and eat it too all the time.
		And so voters who keep complaining about politicians, hey, we elect these politicians.
		The truth of the matter is, politicians can't shoot straight and be honest with people because they'll react like children and get mad.
		If you look at Social Security, if anybody ever talks about cutting Social Security or raising taxes, people have a little temper tantrum.
		Well, then what are politicians going to do?
		I mean, that's the voters' fault.
		So I wish people would... No, no, wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
		Who is it that stole from the Social Security Fund in the first place?
		It wasn't the people, was it?
unidentified		No, it is the people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, it's our politicians.
unidentified		If Social Security was put on an international basis, you'd have a revolt by the old folks, because they'd say that they're being robbed of what they paid in, even though a lot of people are getting more than they ever paid in.
		So the fact is, Social Security really wasn't begun for the purpose that it has evolved into.
		And so now people would get mad if you tried to cut back.
		I mean, you have to do something.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		My dear friend, if they hadn't robbed the fund, there'd be plenty of money to pay people for the next 30 or 40 years with no problem at all.
unidentified		yes yes yes people live now now people live longer but if you were to take the
unidentified		money that you put in social security that money does not pay for the benefits
art bell ▲ ● ▼		that the average worker eventually Oh, sir, the reason the money isn't there is because they stole it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Come on.
unidentified		Be real.
		No, the reason we have problems is because people do not want to ever either pay more taxes or cut spending.
		The same people who would say they want a smaller government, if you ask them on specific programs, it would be Social Security or... Listen, the one place that I think you and I agree is that to make progress, there's going to be pain, right?
		Right, and people can't take it, they can't take their medicine, so they just stand and complain about the Illuminati.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, we'll leave it there.
		Yeah, they complain about the Illuminati.
		No, there's going to be pain.
		To bring the jobs back to the United States, to really get the debt down where, you know, grandchildren are going to be able to afford something, to do any of the important things that are ahead, there's going to be pain.
		There's no doubt about that.
		On Skype, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Vogad, Roswell's there, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Roswell's there.
unidentified		There's a little delay.
unidentified		Anyways, I'm calling in to give you three points on Trump that I think everybody's missing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
unidentified		And those three points are, first off, I worked at G8 Summit in Sea Island.
		If you don't remember, four days ago, there was Democrats and Republicans and billionaires that met on Sea Island again.
		And that's in the Golden Coast of Georgia.
		Look, four days later, we have this big riot in Chicago when Trump's coming in.
		It was organized.
		It was organized by big money.
		They do not want what Trump is bringing.
		He is bringing... I don't know.
		Look, sir, it was organized pretty much by MoveOn.org, now that, you know... Yeah, but that's Soros-funded, and that's big money, and it's also the politicians on both sides are in agreement.
		They don't want to see Trump because of his brand of populism.
		And like I said, I worked at G8 Summit.
		I kind of know how these people operate.
		That's all I'm going to say.
		I'm not going to try to be like I know everything like the last caller.
		But what I will say is that I do understand what's going on right now with this election cycle and what they're trying to do.
		My second point is with Apple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You had asked about the... Okay, but before we leave the political arena, how do you think this is going to wind up?
		In other words, is he going to end up getting enough delegates to be anointed?
		Or is it going to be an open convention and a bloodbath?
		What's going to happen?
unidentified		Well, I live in Ohio, Art.
		Oh, yeah.
		And so I don't... Kasich has this pipe dream he's going to take Ohio.
		He's not.
		He's a good governor, and he was a good congressman.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The latest polls showcase it getting pretty close to Trump.
unidentified		Yeah, he may get close, but that's only because he can really milk that northern pier of Ohio, the Cleveland-Akron area, because that's where he's from.
		So I mean, that's just, that's the nature of Ohio politics.
		But I don't think on a national, especially when it comes crunch time, he's not going to be able to pull it.
		Anyways, going back to what I was trying to get to with Apple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		First off, the NSA has cracked everything.
		Trust me on this.
		They could get it.
		They could go get a FISA warrant.
		I used to be LEO, federal LEO.
		So I'm telling you stuff that Look, it's already been put out with PRISM and everything else that the old defector, what's his name, leaked.
		I can't think of his name off the hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anywho... So you think a FISA warrant and they could force Apple into New York 2nd?
unidentified		Not even that.
		They can go through NSA under a FISA judge.
		But what I'm telling you is, The FBI, if you think about it, why are they pushing this and putting this in the limelight, like, oh, this is so secure?
		It's not that secure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe if Snowden wasn't in Moscow, he could break it.
unidentified		Well, it's been broken, I'm sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, maybe you're right, I don't know.
unidentified		Yeah, I think it's muff-fake turn-up.
		Now, the third thing you mentioned about David Duke, okay, the first day when he first, in all he did, as a member of the alt-right community now, All David Duke did was say he supported Trump.
		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He didn't say- I didn't even know he did that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought it was always a question of whether he was disavowed along with KKK or whatever.
unidentified		Yeah, he disavowed him the next- that morning, I think, somebody asked him.
unidentified		He disavowed it by the time that they actually brought it up, like eight times.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		But in the CNN interview, that's not so easily sold.
		CNN's right about that, because if Donald hadn't repeated the name of David Duke and the KKK, and he did repeat it, that lets us know he heard it, which means he intentionally didn't at that instant disavow well we had a primary going
		on in the pretty deep south mississippi i do believe was coming up
		and uh...
unidentified		and so we may have done it for strategic reasons well like what we used to say in the federal l a l
		community and will be very honest
		You go to a Klan rally and let's say there's 300 people there.
		There might be 20 Bubbas.
		The rest of them are either FBI agents or informants.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That could be.
unidentified		That's for real.
		That could be.
		And it's old, used up stuff.
		The alt-right is made up of regular folks.
		And it's not about anything other than nationalism and just I don't know, man.
		I have more in common with somebody that wants to have a black nationalistic fill than I do with just a regular person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright, alright.
		I appreciate your call, sir, but that was a Trump screw-up.
		And that's all there is to it.
		That was a Trump screw-up.
		Big one.
		You know, he tried to say something, I believe, the next day about an earpiece, right?
		Nonsense.
		He repeated the name, David Duke.
		I knew, I was watching live when it happened.
		And I knew, uh-oh.
		I think he did, I don't think that Trump is racist.
		Okay?
		Let me get that much out.
		I don't believe that Trump is racist.
		But I think for political, strategic reasons, he did not do what he had done every time previously, and that was to He wanted to generate headlines.
		That's what the guy is doing.
		It's all about news cycles.
		Owning news cycles.
		And oh, baby, he owns them.
		No question about that.
		He really, really owns news cycles.
		But that was costly.
		You know, a lot of his stuff hasn't been that costly, but that was costly.
		I, in my heart, I don't think he's a racist.
		At all.
		But I think that not answering that question in a timely manner made people wonder, and that was a goof.
		That was a big goof on his part, my opinion.
		Hello there, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey there, Art.
		Hey, you know, I want to transition from this.
		Here we are listening to your program, and you're coming back, and the one or two programs that are like it, and if we really listen to the guests that you've had on through the years, and others have had on, Well, Paul, Jesse Ventura got it right.
		It's demigrips, crips, and rebloodlicants.
		It's a couple of gangs.
		They have nothing to do with the Constitution or the way our country runs.
		And here we are being laughed at if we do have human hybrids like one of your guests talked about this year.
		If we do have extraterrestrial races, some of whom may not have our best interest in mind, some of whom may want to enslave us.
		If we have all this going on, they're laughing at us for talking about men that won't really have enough power to do that much.
		What do you say to that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I say that if we have this human-alien hybrid thing going on,
art bell ▲ ● ▼		then yeah, the rest of it doesn't matter much.
unidentified		Some velvet morning when I'm straight I'm gonna open up your gate
		I'm going to go get a drink.
		It's the time to play Falling in love with you all the way
		This is Midnight in the Desert To call the show if you're east of midnight
		Call 1952 Call Art if you're west of midnight
		Call 1952-225-5278 Hi everybody, I'm Art Bell
art bell ▲ ● ▼		billing in for Heather Wade It's a pleasure to be here
		and I just looked up at the clock and realized we're in the final half hour
		How is that possible?
		I mean, really, how is that possible?
		We just started a few minutes ago.
		All right, let's go to the first time caller line.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Going once.
unidentified		Who's that, me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's you.
unidentified		I'm on the first time caller line?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you are.
unidentified		I thought you gave a different number.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, no.
		You're on our special line.
		I'm sorry.
		Next to it.
unidentified		Holy cow.
		I was going to be crazy.
		I was going to go crazy because I'm like, I'm not calling the first time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're on the special line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		Special line.
		Yeah.
		Anyways, my name's Kyle from Eye Falls.
		Right.
		I just, uh, I just added myself to Belgab.
		Hopefully the admins, uh, add me.
		I haven't checked my emails yet anyways.
		But yes, I definitely agree with, Well, I guess I agree with a lot of your callers that have been tonight about Trump or whatever, and the fact that he's not actually an insider, and it's kind of refreshing to see somebody that's not an insider, not a globalist, not a New World Order globalist that is running for president, kind of like Reagan.
		Remember how he was?
		Wasn't he a movie star or whatever at one point?
		Well, yes.
		Yeah, he was a movie star, and so was Trump, or whatever, and he did very good for our country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Trump was a reality TV star, actually, on Reagan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He did a lot of Western stuff like that.
unidentified		Yeah, Reagan was a Western kind of guy, or whatever, and the Apple-iPhone kind of thing situation, they're trying to... I think that they're trying to start a precedent.
		That's what's going on.
		They're trying to start... I'm not a smart I'm not as smart as your other caller.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		who is trying to who's trying to start the president uh...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		it the apple company or or the government
unidentified		the government government trying to start a press and say that's
		but i think the government are trying to start a president to try to
		pay that all you know these
		these uh... terrorist started doing anything so we need to get into the five
		phone or whatever Right.
		And, you know, they're setting a precedent.
		So if they get in that one iPhone, they get anybody's iPhone and so forth and so forth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're right.
		Look, here's the thing again.
		I'm going to drop this on you and maybe somebody can answer it.
		Why can't the government just give the damn phone to Apple and say, all right, open it?
		You don't have to give us a program.
		You don't have to tell us how you open it.
		We don't care.
		Open it so we can solve this mystery.
		And if there are murders, and, you know, the information in the phone could lead to the solving of a murder, then I can understand somebody handing the phone to Apple and saying, open it.
		You know, some court could decide that, and Apple could open it, give it back to them, that'd be the end of that.
		They don't have to know, they don't have to have the secret backdoor Or anything of that sort, which is what it seems like they want.
		Why not just open the damn thing and hand it back to them?
		Let's go to Bruce, who is on Skype below.
unidentified		No kidding?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No kidding.
unidentified		Hey, cool.
unidentified		You know, the first time I heard you was you had Reba McIntyre as a guest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And a trucker called in and said how great it was to I don't remember interviewing Reba.
unidentified		It was a long time ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, it must have been.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's been so long ago that I don't remember.
unidentified		So anyway, I'm a middle-winged ultra-moderate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A middle-winged ultra-moderate?
unidentified		Was that correct?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		I made that up myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it means what?
unidentified		I thought that first you need a right wing and a left wing if you're going to fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so we've heard.
unidentified		Yeah, I changed my mind.
unidentified		You just need the middle wing, which I think is most people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't a middle wing ultra-moderate crash a lot?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No wings?
unidentified		No.
unidentified		Because we're not subject to side drafts and things like that as much.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So in other words, you're flying as I was describing earlier.
		I would do that.
		If I had no fear, that was one of my questions tonight, no fear at all, I would do that.
		I would put on one of those suits and I would go to a very high mountain somewhere and jump off, no doubt granting me the wish this morning of lots and lots of people.
		After talking about politics.
		Let's go to the phone and whoever's next, which in this case is Las Vegas, I think.
unidentified		Good to hear your voice, Art.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, I'm fine.
unidentified		How's the family bell?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The family bells, the ABs, are thriving, thank you.
unidentified		I only have two points, and this is all political.
		One, the best thing that could happen is Cruz takes a powder.
		I mean, the only introduction he's given us at this particular point is hair oil, supply-side Jesus, and head lice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but if Cruz takes a powder, I mean, he's the only one who's delegate close at all to Trump.
unidentified		Right?
		But I mean, but he has no constituency.
		He's the most hated person.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he is hated.
		Actually, everybody in the Senate pretty much hates him.
		Well, he does have one endorsement.
		You're right, though.
		I mean, most people hate Cruz.
		But in today's environment, that usually is a good thing.
		I mean, it means all those angry people have someone to go to.
		So it's either Cruz or Trump.
		And how can he drop out?
		He's got the second most delegates to Trump.
unidentified		Well, the whole thing was, I don't think he believed that he was going to go this far.
		I knew that he, you know, was relying on an evangelical, and that didn't really turn out as well as he thought he did.
		Boy, what a surprise there, huh?
		Well, again, Jesus saves, and you know, hold that Bible, but we make it a point to lie about it.
		Secondly, Donald, as far as Trump is concerned, I don't know whether he is the chemo or the cancer for the Republican Party.
		I'm a, I'm a West Coast liberal elitist Democrat.
		I mean, I, I absolutely think this is, this is hilarious to watch this, but the whole thing to it is, is that he's got what they say, he's got piles of what you might say, F you money.
		And he can literally say F you if he wanted to.
		Uh, but he's in a situation where This is fomentation of 20 years of listening to that gas bag, Limbaugh, and then getting all ripped.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I'm curious, I haven't heard Rush, what are his comments about Trump?
unidentified		Short of him walking on water.
		Okay, because he was obviously vehemently at first opposed to Trump because he was a clown and a huckster.
		Wait a minute, he went from not to endorsing him?
		He's more or less changing horses, but he's going from Ted Cruz, which has been his oxygen, guys like him and Levin and Sean Hannity, this was the fringy guy, and this was Ted Cruz.
		Now that their momentum is changing, they're speaking from the other side of their mouths.
		But this is years of limbo.
		I really want to be clear here, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're telling me that Rush is now behind Trump?
unidentified		What I'm saying is that, yes, Rush Limbaugh is more or less being a kinder, gentler windbag when it comes to Donald Trump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well, maybe he's figured out that the winds seem to be blowing in a certain direction and I best put my sails up or I'll be left behind.
unidentified		Well, he's always been a windsock, but he's always been able to have his pulse on, you know, your average blue collar white guy who's pissed off at everything.
		And don't forget, that created, which we got, the teabaggers.
		The teabaggers were going to go out, we were going to go to Washington D.C.
		and clean house.
		They've done nothing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All they did really was fill up my email with spam.
		I got so much spam from the teabaggers.
		I'm talking hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pieces of spam.
		It made it easy to get rid of, you know, everything from the Tea Party.
		All it wants, delete.
		They just send out endless, endless emails.
		Has Rush really gone over to Trump?
		Was that man right?
		I would have to say that I am very surprised.
		Very surprised, if that's true.
		Somebody else Please come along and either confirm that or deny, if you wouldn't mind.
		I really would like to know, and I have not been listening to Rush.
		I have no idea what his position on this is.
		Skype brings you upon the air.
unidentified		Hello.
		Oh, hi, Art.
		Hi.
		Hey, it's Kevin Toshkline from Seattle, and I want to talk a little bit about some drone technology and physics concept I've got.
		But first, just to get it out of the way, I think Trump is as frightening as he is exciting right now.
		He's more like a pro wrestler on TV or something like that.
		The harder you hit him, the stronger he gets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that certainly is true.
		If nominated, and then if elected, the big question is, is there another Donald Trump in there?
		Is there somebody who, once he is in office, wouldn't scare the hell out of us?
unidentified		Well, I think you're right.
		I think he is kind of two people.
		No, I didn't say he was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm asking you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you think he is?
unidentified		Well, I think he's got to be.
		He can't be what he looks like face value.
		I think on TV he just wants to win.
		But, you know, he's smarter than that.
		I think he's a Winner in his own right.
		He's got to be smarter to be able to do what he does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hope you're right.
unidentified		We'll see.
		I just like that he's shaking everything up.
		I think we really needed that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's doing that already.
unidentified		Anyway, um, so which, uh, you have a DJI Phantom, which one do you have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have the, uh, 3 Advanced.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
		Yeah, I've got a Phantom 2, and I was just watching today about the Phantom 4 with the, uh, avoidance, uh, collision avoidance technology.
		I know, collision avoidance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I couldn't believe, well, like, two weeks, three weeks after I buy the 3 Advanced, they come out with... But, you know, I'm okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, there are other cool things about the 4.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But the 3 Advanced was a really good price.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I caught it at $7.99.
unidentified		Oh, no, that's great.
unidentified		I'm about three grand into mine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		You don't start out that way.
		But, you know, Amazon's going to need this kind of avoidance technology.
		I've watched DARPA videos where they have swarms of drums that can fly like a cloud.
		Oh, yes.
		And they don't touch each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		And it really got me thinking, you know, you had a story once about some people on a highway at night that went through an intersection and collided with a truck, and went right through the truck.
unidentified		And it got me thinking that, you know, atoms have a lot of space in between the electrons, and if you could somehow modify the electrons with some kind of collision avoidance technology, you could pass solid objects through solid objects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There could be some foundation to that, I suppose, but that's quite a separation of atoms.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, we don't have that yet, but I could just put that all together in my mind and think, wow, we're just starting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, we are.
unidentified		Amazing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm trying to imagine where it is ten years from now when I can't get two or three weeks down the line without a new model coming out and besting what I have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's just impossible to even imagine where it might be.
unidentified		Well, and everybody's going to have a drone, you know, and we're going to have clouds of drones out there that need to not run into each other.
unidentified		They need to pass... groups of them need to be able to pass by each other.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Kind of like the same need we'd have if we had a flying car.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Oh, that'd be great.
		I know.
		I'm just waiting for my Tesla 3D.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where's my flying car?
unidentified		I don't know.
		Anyway, it's fun to hear you talk about your drone.
		Oh, have you peeked over the hills and looked into Area 51?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you really think that I would take something I paid that kind of money for and fly it into Area 51?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well... Maybe.
unidentified		It'd be worth it once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all you'd get is once.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Alright sir, thank you very much for the call.
unidentified		It's tempting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very tempting.
		Would come under the category of things that I've always wanted to do, things that I've thought of doing, things even that I've dreamed of doing, but have not quite yet accomplished.
		Would I do it?
		I don't know.
		It comes under the category of what, if you were fearless, what would you do?
		Yes, then I would drive down Highway 95 until I got to the right location, near the mailbox maybe, put my drone up, Tell it a gentle goodbye and proceed.
unidentified		It's WQTT 1270 here in Marysville.
unidentified		Ohio?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're about 30 miles north of Columbus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Such an important state coming up in this election, sir.
unidentified		We're about 40 miles north of Columbus.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Such an important state coming up in this election, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you tell me how you think Ohio will go?
unidentified		I can tell you just from what I've seen around town.
		Now I live in a town that is basically Republican all the way.
		Okay. Um...
		People are trying to decide just simply what to do and they're probably going to go Trump before it's over.
		They like the governor but there's a lot of people in this area that work.
		Oh, the penitentiary here, women's penitentiary, different things that are state.
		A lot of them are mad because she did shrink a lot of that kind of stuff and they did lose some jobs.
		It's nothing major, but we're living in that part of the country where that happens.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Governor Kasich, he really says a lot about how many jobs he's created in Ohio.
unidentified		And he has.
		He has.
		He's created a lot.
		And he's messed up a few.
		But we're right in that place where he's messed up a few.
		So this part, and we'll probably go.
		They were talking about the upper part of the state.
		Lookin' Kasich.
		Well, you're certainly the only person who's called and said, I don't care how it goes.
		Well, you know, at this point, look at every president we've had.
		And everyone pluses.
		Says, oh, we need this one, we need that one.
		wants to get in there he might as well just go to trump and say hey take me as a vice
art bell ▲ ● ▼		president.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well you're certainly the only person who's called and said I don't care how it goes.
unidentified		Well you know at this point look at every president we've had and everyone pluses, says
		oh we need this one, we need that one, we get one and we go on.
		Look at the one we've got now.
		Yeah, he's, in my opinion, he's hadn't done real good, but we're going to go on someplace.
		Now, what we don't want to do is keep going with the same party all the time.
		That's a blow-up.
		I think we ought to just change back and forth every other time and forget it.
		Well, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have sympathy with that point of view, actually.
		If any one party stays in office too long, They have too many opportunities to affect the Supreme Court.
		And another four or perhaps even eight years of Democrats with the nominations that would come along with them could really change everything about America.
		So, you know, there really is a lot at stake.
		I mean, there's a lot at stake.
		This has been some Crazy season, and I don't know that I should be admitting that I've enjoyed watching the... I don't know, what do you call it?
		The strife?
		The wild... I have enjoyed it.
		I just admit it.
		I've really enjoyed it.
		I am a political person at heart, and I know that probably I'll be crucified for bringing it up on the show and talking about it.
		But, you know, I'm old.
		I don't care.
		Skype, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Ed.
unidentified		I'm here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Did you call me Ed?
unidentified		I'm sorry, I meant Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ed's not here.
unidentified		No, no, Ed's listening on the other radio.
		We're part of the Houston QRP Club, Bob, because we're all big fans.
		But anyhow, no, I think this has been one of the most exciting election cycles I've seen since the H. Ross Perot debacle in the 90s.
		I see the same It's kind of an interesting thing in that no matter what the person is, as long as they're not that type of insider, so to speak, people will just glom to them, no matter who they are or what they do.
		As for the one caller who was so concerned with throwing people out without their coats in Vermont, I found that to be just right because I'm getting tired of these people breaking in with violent and rude protests of these people.
		I don't care if I agree or disagree.
		I don't care if it's Hitler or Clinton.
		I wouldn't do that to her.
		She has a right to speak at her rally.
		If you want to protest, go outside and protest.
		You know what I mean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about taking her coat, Hillary's coat?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wouldn't do that.
unidentified		No, no, no.
		I was talking about a protester.
		Oh.
		The protesters that broke into the Trump thing and had them take their coats and toss them out in the snow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
unidentified		I know, I know.
unidentified		Anyhow, now, as for what would I do if I were fearless?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
unidentified		I still remember, I believe it was an April 1st show of yours where a guy supposedly flew in, landed in Area 51.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know about landing.
		He flew in.
		We don't know.
unidentified		I, Ed, Ed and I listened to that that night.
		We called each other right as that happened and we go, uh, did we hear what we just thought we heard?
		You did.
		Excellent radio art.
		It was great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was.
unidentified		But still, uh, yeah, that's what I did.
		I would, uh, I'd make it.
		I'd land right there just like the guy did on Red Square and I'd get out, take a selfie and get ready for a long stint in Leavenworth or wherever they'd send me.
		Mm-hmm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you weren't instantly extinguished.
unidentified		Oh, I don't think they'll do that now.
unidentified		You know, kinder, gentler, probably smaller bullets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, there's a lot of kinder and gentler out there, sir, but trust me, you would be extinguished.
		You would be dust.
		There are some things that you don't fool with, and Area 51 really is one of those, so, yeah, only if you were entirely fearless would you proceed along those lines.
		You would be atomized.
		You would be gone and you wouldn't even know you were gone.
		You would just, you know, like that.
		Great way to go, though, actually.
		All right, let's see.
unidentified		Let's go to... I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's go to this line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First time caller line.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hello, Art.
		Hi.
		How's it going?
		I'm calling about John Titor.
		Huh?
		I don't have a lot of time, but I'm going to try to explain quickly my involvement in all this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you involved with John Titor?
unidentified		Yes.
		Well, basically those faxes you got in the late 90s, I believe it was 97 or 98, I was the one that came up with the idea for those faxes to be sent to you to prove that John Titor was a real time traveler.
		And you got those faxes, and they're on the internet now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know him to be a real-time traveler?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How do you know this?
unidentified		I don't know him personally, but I was one of the people... Wait a minute, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A fax doesn't prove... Hold on.
		A fax doesn't prove anything.
		I'm asking you straight out.
		How do you know he's a real-time traveler?
unidentified		Well, I mean, it's more so, well, when I first met him, it was a gut feeling that made me trust him, because it's a long story, like I said.
		At that time, it was around 1999, when I was posting on conspiracy forums, like Post to Post.
		Yes, yes.
		And I was posting how the Serbians shot down a stealth.
		And everyone was denying it and thinking I was crazy and I didn't know what I was talking about.
		And at the same time, there was a, I'm a time traveler from 2036 post going on, and everyone thought he was crazy too.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recall.
		I'm going to ask you straight out one more time, because there's not a lot of time.
		How do you know he's a real time traveler?
unidentified		Well, because of the facts.
		The facts that were sent to you in the 90s prove that the 9-11 predictions, there's three of them that are around.
		Three of those faxes are out and circulated thanks to your show and the help of your show, which is how we got it out there.
		My idea was, like, if you want to prove you're a time traveler, send it coast-to-coast where, like, it's a forum where everyone will be able to see it and prove it, and give us a prediction that hasn't happened yet, because up until that point, When I was talking to him, 9-11 hasn't happened.
		I didn't even know 9-11 was going to happen.
		And I didn't find out until years later that he only craps, he didn't make the prediction, and it was true, and it ended up onto your show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You should be in politics.
unidentified		I think so.
unidentified		And by the way, Time Travelers, and I endorse Donald Trump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's the way you answer questions, and you're not.
unidentified		Well, I just want to say another thing.
		It's very interesting that it's 3-12-2016, because John Titor said that World War III started on 3-12-2015 in his world line.
		That's why I had to call Art, because you were on the air a year after, in his timeline, that World War III started.
		It's just amazing to me that you're talking about Trump and politics right now, because I think this is very important, because in the year 2000, he tried warning us that the election was going to be rigged.
		And this is what's happening right now, and people in Michigan didn't let it happen.
		And Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin need to follow suit and not allow our elections to be stolen.
		And that's really all I really need to say about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's one more thing you need to say.
unidentified		What?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ready?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Say goodnight, world.
unidentified		Good night, world.
unidentified		That's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Next time, folks, from the high desert, Great American Southwest, you all, look at those phone lines, all full, Skype going nuts.

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