Art Bell’s final show features wild theories and political chaos: callers debate Trump’s rise as a "globalist outsider," comparing him to Putin while dismissing left-wing attacks, with Sharky defending his "stereotypically American" stance and Jason warning of drone privacy invasions. Crypto Lord questions Apple’s encryption surrender, linking it to forced Windows 10 upgrades, while Johnny Webb speculates about Area 6 drones surveilling U.S. soil. A caller claims John Teeter’s 1997–98 faxes predicted WWIII by December 31, 2015—now just a year late—and election fraud, urging Ohio to resist. Bell’s farewell blends conspiracy musings with dark humor about Trump’s potential to "fold Congress like a light bulb," leaving listeners with a mix of skepticism and unease as the election’s unpredictability mirrors deeper distrust in institutions. [Automatically generated summary]
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I'm going to get in trouble tonight.
Sure as heck I'm going to get in trouble, but you know, I don't care.
When I first began doing talk radio a long, long time ago, I did political talk radio.
Now, I could not hope or hope or even pray for a more interesting political time.
It was interesting long ago.
But this program began because I got bored as hell with politics way back when.
Just simply had enough.
And that was the birth of the whole show.
Way back when people don't know that about me, but it's true.
Some of you know, right?
So it's so interesting right now.
You know, it's like I watch every day.
We may say, oh, it's bad, interesting bad, but I think it's really interesting good.
My God, so much has happened since we last talked.
It's hard for me to know where to begin.
And before I do, and I'm going to do it, politics is open season tonight.
I want to note since I've been on, there's been this discovery, and it is the completion of Einstein's symphony, if you will.
Gravity waves.
Oh, God, that's a big one.
It's a Nobel Prize-likely discovery.
What are gravity waves?
Well, they were only theorized by Einstein.
Now, we know gravity waves are kind of like radio waves.
They propagate kind of like radio at the speed of light.
Radio goes very nearly the speed of light.
And gravity waves at the speed of light.
Now, they have just barely detected them because of the dance and finally the embrace of two black holes.
Fortunately for us, I guess, the black holes, well, they became attracted, frankly.
And then, like the egg and the sperm, they merged.
And as they merged, this immense gravity wave was sent out, and we have now picked it up.
And as I mentioned, it kind of completes the Einstein symphony.
Now, other than the obvious, you know, a couple of black holes merging would mean big stuff, big things happening, right?
Normally.
And that is the case here.
But let's look down the line a little bit with gravity waves.
They're produced by objects with mass at some level, right?
Even you produce a gravity wave when you move around somehow or another.
Not that we can detect it right now, but you have mass, and so yes, you emit a very tiny gravity wave, the Earth, a bigger one.
Other objects, big ones.
Now, let me tell you where this could lead that's of interest, okay?
If there are parallel universes, it has always been said that, you know, gravity waves might be the way we will detect that they are there, and that's cool.
Think about it.
Is that cool or what?
That there could be parallel universes.
We don't see them.
They're not in our physical space.
They're in another space-time.
But these gravity waves, well, they traverse space-time.
I want you to think about that a little bit.
They traverse space-time.
So maybe, just maybe, we'll end up talking to somebody in a parallel universe.
I guess we could consider the generators, generators, the receivers for gravity waves that we presently have to be kind of like a whisker crystal radio.
You know, you just barely can hear a signal if you stand on your head and get the whisker just right.
In other words, crude.
But eventually, we may learn all about gravity waves and then the mind is boggled.
I mean, we might end up communicating with another universe, whatever that'll mean.
We might, I don't know, learn how to master gravity waves.
My God, we might learn how to amplify gravity waves.
And then who knows what we might do.
So I had to note that.
That was a gigantic discovery.
Probably will get a Nobel Prize.
Boggles the mind about what it could conceivably mean.
Now, the other big thing I want to talk about this morning, well, one more before we get to politics.
Barack Obama, our president, says the encryption versus national security debate will not be settled by taking an absolute view of the situation.
He says both values are important.
Both values are important.
They are, but they're just so mutually exclusive that I don't know how you get to a midway point.
You know, there's a big deal going on right now with Apple, right?
You've got the government wanting Apple to want what?
So Apple's gone to the government and said, look, you've got to open this baby up.
We want to know what's in there.
Apple's saying, well, if we did that and we can do it, it would potentially get out and everybody's apples would be no longer secure.
So it seems to me these two things are really almost mutually exclusive in that you just can't have it both ways.
Either you have privacy at this expense or you don't.
You decide that safety over privacy is the way to go and you just don't let them have it.
Apple stands their ground until we come at them with a knife and carve them up, I suppose.
This has been the most amazing, amazing political season that I've participated in.
And believe me, I love politics.
To watch this happening is incredible.
Blinking incredible.
Here's what I wrote on Facebook, and I want you to hear it.
I wrote, Donald Trump may or may not be what America wants or needs.
But there's one thing for sure.
The establishment that so hates him has brought this on themselves by again and again failing to do the things they promise in election after election.
Yes, there's anger, and they have only themselves to thank for it.
He's their monster.
He really is their monster, and it has been a blast to watch.
I think what I wrote on Facebook, and every word was mine, I think that it's just absolutely correct.
Love him or hate him, and that'll be one of the questions tonight.
So let me read this to you, if I might, one more time.
I rarely write something that I consider to be, I don't know, what's the right word for it?
Not, I don't know, not the catch-me-now and not the best prose, but, you know, it kind of really, really says it.
So let me read it one more time.
Donald Trump may or may not be what America wants or needs, but there's one thing for sure.
The establishment that so hates him has brought this on themselves by again and again failing to do the things they promise in election after election.
Yeah, as there's anger, and they have only themselves to thank for it.
You know, so watching all this happen, I watched Chicago.
I watched every minute of Chicago tonight.
I was dismayed, to say the least.
CNN just about had a cow saying, oh my God, Donald said this or that, said something.
And now look what we have.
All these, well, they didn't say it.
Moveon.org people clod in the streets starting fights.
But we need to find a way to blame it on the Donald.
So we've heard him say that ain't the way they did it in the old days.
Right?
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That they got carried out on a stretcher back then.
This is kind of because it's fun, because it's a Friday night.
If you had no fear, what would you do?
If you had no fear, what would you do?
I can give you my answer.
Have you seen those guys in the suits that approximate wings, I guess, you know, and a little material in between?
And they put them on and they jump off mountains.
And somehow, you know, I guess forward inertia is sufficient, and that little bit of cloth is sufficient to cause somebody to go into a semi-glide and live to tell about it.
That's what I do.
Especially at my age, I'd give it a shot.
Jump off some large mountain and fly for a while.
I've loved the sensation of flight.
I just love it.
By the way, I have a new hobby, and that is my drone.
I have gone to the next generation of drone.
And oh, God, they're really getting good, folks.
You know, I'll call them the home drones.
They're getting really good.
So what do I mean by that?
Well, they will hover in place.
In other words, you can send them up and just look at other controls.
GPS keeps them exactly where you've left them, and it'll just hover.
God, Skype is really lighting up.
And the phones are all lit up, so I'll try to keep it short and sweet, but they're amazing.
If they get out of control in any way at all, very unlikely if you know what you're doing, they say, oh, I've lost signal, and they go home, rise up to 100 feet or whatever you've got it set for, and then land automatically.
They always come home on their own.
So I've been flying all over this part of the valley.
And it's really fun.
One can only imagine, I mean, every time you buy something, of course, I've now come out with a new model that has collision avoidance.
As soon as I bought this one, DJI, the company I bought it from, came out with a new one.
What are these things going to be like in 10 or 15 years?
You wonder about that?
I'm telling you, it's happening so fast.
I bought one drone early on.
I'm always an early adopter, usually regretting it.
That's the pain of early adopters, right, with anything.
You buy a car when it's brand new and probably you're going to break it in with, you know, whatever beta testing they're doing on you.
And it's the same with electronics pretty much and obviously drones.
But I've made out very well in this case, boy, have I had fun.
This baby will go about three miles and send back high-definition video As she goes, I've had her about three miles out at whatever altitude I wish.
Usually I go high enough to be just outside the reach of most shotguns and stuff like that, because I'm sure people saw you hovering, they would go and grab whatever.
I've worried about that.
So I stay 150, 200 feet up, something like that.
The video it returns is astounding, high-definition video.
Really cool stuff.
So I don't know whether you can get into it.
It's getting more affordable all the time.
It's an awful lot of fun.
I guess if you're near an airport, probably you shouldn't do it because it won't let you take off near an airport.
It's got the safety feature built in.
Otherwise, though, if you're out here in the middle of virtually nowhere, kind of like I am right now, it's really fun.
Really fun.
You don't fly in a lot of windy weather, but boy, they have made amazing strides.
And that really, even at my age, makes me wonder what it's going to be like, say, in 10 years.
I mean, already they've amped up the technology to the point that they're just utterly reliable.
The video returned could probably be and is used for a movie, or it could be used for a movie.
It's that kind of quality.
You know, it's amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
So if any of you out there have joined the group Flying Drones, I'd like to know about that.
All right.
Well, I suppose I've eaten up enough time, but I did want to do what oh, dare I do it.
I'm sure you'll hate my guts by the end of the program.
Absolutely hate my guts for bringing up politics, but I don't care.
I can live with hate.
Anyway, the rally breakup was kind of interesting.
And CNN sure did try and pin it directly on Donald.
I mean, really pin it on Donald.
I'm not buying into it.
It was moveon.org.
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They're the ones who went there and, you know, were the rowdy bunch.
Ben Carson, I think you would have to say Ben Carson is like the mildest of the mild, a thinking man for sure, right?
So I would say for many out there, the endorsement of Carson would have been shocking.
I mean, those of you who think that Trump's a stump, basically, those of you that think that way would be quite shocked that Dr. Carson has endorsed him.
Anyway, enough, enough, enough.
Whatever you want to talk about, pick on any of these things, and I'm glad to engage you.
It's open lines.
And one more time, the numbers have changed.
The national number and all those, they're the same.
But the Skype stuff has changed.
North America, MITD5-1.
M-I-T-D-5-1.
You really sound good on Skype, too.
In the rest of the world, it's MITD55.
That's M-I-T-D-5-5 worldwide.
And if you're not supposed to be on that line, I will eject you like a protester at a Trump rally.
So let's go to the phone, start here, and say good luck to us.
You're on the air.
Hey, Art.
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Great Friday night.
Great Friday night.
Thank you so much.
I'd like to say really quickly that if Donald Trump is elected, I hope that he can do good.
And I'd like to say, as far as no fear, Art, here's what I'd do.
If I had no fear, I would use nanocarbon fibers, modern materials like lightweight plastic, and a PVC cylinder full of helium to turn myself into a drone.
It's actually before this planet is gone, people can turn on their TVs and see a human flap their wings and fly.
I'm at work right now, trying to keep the background noise low, but I'd just like to someday see a human being be able to, maybe not with the, definitely not with the grace of a bird, but to be able to use modern materials and maybe a little bit of helium for lift and actually be able to, with a little bit of assistance, flap some wings and fly.
And I really think that is possible with modern materials and modern technology.
What isn't getting much publicity, because I don't think that CNN would want to talk about it, and yeah, I do watch CNN is the fact that lots and lots of Democrats are coming across.
Call them Reagan Democrats, call them whatever you want.
They are so interested in Trump that they're coming across and registering and voting for him.
So what his ceiling is, I'm not sure, but they're always talking about ceiling.
He cannot possibly go past 35%.
Well, you know, of course you can.
If a lot of Democrats walk across, grab Republican ballots and vote for him, sure he can.
There's a lot of that going on.
And now whether all this boils well for him or he sinks like a rock after what happened, for example, tonight, if CNN is able to pin this on Trump personally, and then we're sure trying.
Man, oh man, were they trying?
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Yeah, but he made a comment about something getting socked.
So my personal opinion is that Bernie Sanders against Trump will be the ticket, and both of them are reeling in a lot of maybe first-time voters or occasional voters.
So how could, you know, Hillary's credibility just goes down the tubes.
And for her to say that Bernie wanted the auto industry to fail, you know, they needed their $18 billion and that whole TARP thing that he voted against was like $700 billion.
So whatever Bernie opinion was about not giving $700 billion to the banks was not a vote against bailing out the auto industry.
He voted six weeks before that to bail out the auto industry.
Hillary just has got some bad advisors that are telling her to go for the throat with Bernie when she should just waltz into the end of July convention a winner instead of ruining her own chances.
Himself and his father are these evangelical, righteous sons of God that think God has selected Ted Cruz to lead our country in this caliphate type of Christian world.
Is it true or is it not true, sir, that when you look at Bernie Sanders and you look at Trump, when it comes to at least trade, they are just about on the same page?
I think that Bernie has some credibility on the trade issue and that Trump has picked it up as one of the thorns in the side of Americans, so he's running with it.
I don't believe Trump believes a word he's saying about trade, but I do think they have the same position.
Well, I thought when I said that I was going to talk some politics tonight that everybody would go, I am turning it off right now, canceling everything I have, my mortgage, too.
unidentified
No, I come from a long line of, well, I have a degree in history, and I come from a long line of folks that, you know, we sat around when we were kids in the 60s and the 70s, and sometimes we didn't even get up from the dinner table until 10 o'clock at night from talking about the world and politics, and my parents were real into it.
Just for my information, do you have to have a special license or can anybody go out and anybody can go out, but you do need simply to go up to a website and register your name, pay five bucks.
You'll get a little decal I hear now.
It's the FAA website.
And you get a little decal with a number on it.
And that's all you've got to do.
It's five bucks in a couple minutes to do it.
That's all.
unidentified
Okay.
Well, that clarifies it a little bit.
The reason I bring that up, I was thinking about what you were saying.
And my head being the way it is, I'm thinking about human nature and 15 years out and the way that if, let's say, half of your block owns a drone, well, you know, the nosy neighbors and that kind of thing, people will be putting cameras on these things.
I would never dare hover my drone, for example, outside somebody's window because sure as can be, they're going to go find a rifle or shotgun or even handgun at that distance and put it out of its misery.
And that's a lot of money down the drain, so no.
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That's true.
That's true.
Yeah, I can see that.
It just got me thinking because even in the world of crime, I can see, I don't know, even that far out, people putting guns or something remotely flying around if they have an enemy or something.
And what was really cool is the drones hold position by GPS.
So if you watch the video of it being fired, boom, and the drone backs up and then goes right back immediately to the position it was in that it's holding on GPS.
So you can see the recoil and it would come right back.
It was amazing.
So they're already doing it.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah, it's going to be a brave new world 15 years from now, that's for sure.
One other thing in reference to the this may be a little ethereal about the thing that you would fear.
But in a way, I'll argue, you know, just for the sake of argument for you, now these protesters, they are trying to, and did in fact, infringe on his right to free speech, right?
I think what we're seeing is that the people are that sick of everything and that they're waking up.
They're slowly waking up and saying, just like the movie Network, they're opening the windows and saying, I can't stand it and, you know, I'm not going to take it anymore.
And it's scaring the hell out of the status quo.
And the more paranoid they get, doesn't it make you feel like, gee, you know, even so, the more paranoid the status quo gets, the more it makes me feel like we're doing the right thing by going for Trump.
I mean, you're jumping harder than I am, but, you know, let me read this to you, sir.
It's what I said.
And Again, I don't frequently come up with something that I really like myself, but I wrote this back when, actually March 3rd.
Donald Trump may or may not be what America wants or needs, but one thing for sure: the establishment that so hates him has brought this on themselves by again and again failing to do the things they promise in election after election.
Yes, there's anger, and they have only themselves to thank for it.
Is that about what you mean?
unidentified
That's exactly what I mean.
I mean, we're the richest country in the world, and look what's happened with the educational system in the last 30 or 40 years.
Look what's happened with our infrastructure.
You know, everything falling apart.
You know, we're a mess.
We're just going in the wrong direction.
And it's like evaporation.
The money in the country just evaporates and goes up to that one-tenth of 1%, it seems.
And people are just tired of that.
You have a lot of people that have to, guys that have to work, or even women that have to work two jobs just to get by.
And so when I say I'm liberal, I'm liberal in the sense that I would like to see the minimum wage raised to something like $15 an hour, because I think then you'd find that these people have a little bit more respect for themselves, and they wouldn't have to maybe poll robberies or maybe do drugs because you're so depressed.
I think there's a lot of pluses that could be had.
So that's what I mean about being liberal.
I think that...
Well, $15 an hour, because if you're working in McDonald's, what do they get?
And everything else that he talks about, I agree with as well.
Look at our roads.
God, what a mess.
You know, I remember back when I was young that you would drive out west, you'd hit the California roads, and oh, when you got to California, the roads were like heaven because they were relatively new at that point, right?
They were great.
Just cruising along, smooth as can be.
But the roads in California now are a holy disaster.
Quite literally.
The bridges aren't safe.
And yeah, America has been deteriorating and in meaningful ways, too.
What is it?
We are number what in education now?
Richest country in the world.
Come on.
We can't educate people?
That's the future.
If you don't have an educated population, you certainly aren't going to have jobs no matter what.
At least anybody can do them.
Okay, let me go to looks like Hayes, Kansas, I guess.
I'm no fan, by the way, of Common Core, but Asia did this.
She won the spelling bee in her classroom.
That was the first thing she did.
Then she won against the other third-grade class in the school.
And then she won.
She's representing the school, the whole school.
She went on to the big spelling bee district-wide.
But here's what I thought was a little bit unfair.
She got knocked out in like round 11 or something like that.
I can't remember what it was.
But what I thought wasn't fair was that they gave third, fourth, and fifth graders were all lumped together.
Now, how can that be fair?
I mean, she did really, really well, and she beat all the other third graders, but really, by the time you're in fifth grade, you're at a whole new level of expertise in spelling.
Anyway, that's what she did.
She went quite a very long way in it, and I was so proud of her.
So proud of her.
So down in like round 11, something like that, but up against fifth graders, fourth and fifth graders at the same time.
With the whole Trump thing, my thing with Trump, the thing that I'm worried about, is he seems pretty hot-headed and he seems like he refuses to admit when he's made a mistake.
And I don't know if I want a guy like that with a nuclear football at his disposal.
So in other words, if he pushed the button and sent the intercontinental ballistic missiles with thermonuclear warheads toward Russia, you don't think he'd apologize if you realize that.
Well, you know, I know a lot will grind their teeth when I say it, But I think there are two Donald Trumps, one that is campaigning for office, and another one that would help the country.
Just my take on it, he'd make good deals.
And that's what politics is: it's deal-making.
Do I think he'd get angry at, you know, have a hot phone call with Putin and then push the button?
No, I really don't.
Although that's an issue that people are going to worry about.
Do you remember a long time ago, are you old enough to remember the nuclear mushroom cloud inside the little girl's eye?
It was an election long, long ago that most of you probably don't remember, but that was used against a politician.
The concept of a little girl's eye in the camera came zooming in on the little girl's eye, and there was a nuclear mushroom cloud.
And of course, the inference that that man is going to get us into a nuclear war.
On Skype, Rhonda, I believe it is.
You're on the air.
unidentified
Hello, Art.
Hello, Rhonda in Arizona.
Hey.
I got to tell you, I work in the ER, and a few weeks ago before flu season, I turned some people on to your man flying into Area 51 call.
Uh here in North America we're MITD 51 That's MITD51 on Skype and outside of North America, rest of the world it's MITD55 MITD55 Letter Ring till it's answered.
unidentified
You'll know when you hear audio from the show that you're close.
I don't think he's got the backing of any big clubs, really.
Maybe a golf club?
unidentified
And also, with Donald Trump, if he does win, I'm a bit concerned because I remember these cards that were out and about in the 80s and 90s called the Illuminati cards.
Well, if you were there, would you be a happy drone operator in the middle of Area 6, knowing that you're probably glowing?
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Well, what concerns me about it is that if these drones are coming out of Area 6, they're not like an international flight where they carry gallons and gallons of fuel so they can go international.
It says to me that they're working over your country.
And now they have one, or actually a couple ahead of that, but the new one has collision avoidance.
Anyway, the whole concept of drones is a little freaky.
Or a lot freaky.
Even my little drone, at about 250, 300 feet of altitude, you can't see that baby.
Especially if it's a bright sky, anywhere near the sun.
Absolutely can't see it.
Even against a blue sky, it's about disappeared from my old eyes.
You definitely can't hear it.
And above that, it's invisible.
So most of the time, you're not going to know when a drone's over you.
Now, when you take the big drones, the ones that can really spit at you, they fly really high, probably 5,000, 10,000 feet higher with great photography.
They can make even 4K video look silly.
So they can hang, they can loiter over an area, which they do.
And then, of course, they can disappear you.
Now, you will never hear what's coming at you.
It's coming probably speed of sound plus plus, right?
And our president has been criticized for using too many of them.
I wonder how you feel about that.
It's another Good question.
Let's go to Skype and Brad.
Hello, Brad.
Hey, Art.
How are you?
I'm very well, sir.
unidentified
That's good to hear.
I actually just happened to check in with you.
My wife and I were coming home from a midnight movie and put on Tune In Radio Dark Matter, and you're on, so I hear you.
I actually was calling, and I'm hoping it's open lines in general.
I know you were meeting about totally open, whatever.
I had been meaning to call and sort of ask a story when you had, I believe it was David Weatherly on, you know, back in the fall, and he was talking about shadow people.
I had had an experience, or rather two experiences in my life, that Dr. Weatherly was talking about, and it kind of triggered something in me.
I had felt years ago that I had a haunted mirror in my house, and I had had an experience one night.
It was sort of around the time of my father's death, an old mirror, sort of an antique mirror that my ex-girlfriend had in the bedroom.
One night it was as if a cloud started coming out of his mirror.
And I mean, I was fully awake, somehow too concerned to wake my girlfriend at the time because I just thought it seemed too crazy.
But it just seemed like this dark, malevolent cloud was coming out of his mirror into the room.
And, you know, years sort of passed by, and that was the only time that I ever felt this sort of dark shadow entity.
Sometimes when I look in the mirror, it looks like a dark, evil entity looking back to me.
unidentified
Well, I'm quite familiar with that phenomenon as well.
But years later, I thought that maybe it was just stress from around the time that my father was really ill at the time.
And it never happened again.
But then I have since that relationship had ended and the mirror was out of my house.
And I had moved into a new house.
And then there was one other experience that I had where it seemed as if a mirror in my home was releasing some sort of just shadow, malevolent cloud into my home.
Dr. Weatherly spoke very, very briefly on your interview on Midnight in the Desert about mirrors as some sort of entry point for shadow creatures, but it was really brief, and I was just...
You know, I see them all the time, or I used to anyway, driving back and forth to Las Vegas, and I would see things big as basketballs and bigger, streaking across the sky, leaving, actually lighting everything up.
Not quite daylight type light, but very, very bright.
Out here in the desert, you definitely see that sort of thing.
If you're actually calling through Roswell to get the show, when you do that, area code 575-208-7787.
And we are open for anything.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
And that, yes, tonight does include political comment.
This is the most interesting, fascinating, riveting, outrageous political season I've ever seen in my Life and though politics most times bores me to tears, there's nothing boring about what's going on right now.
Very controversial, to be sure, but boring, no, not boring.
So I couldn't resist.
Sorry about that.
I know that will put me in the hated class, but I am too old to care.
Hey, so I wanted to get your take on the fact that Rubio and Kasich are still in the race, even though there's no mathematical path to the nomination, and what you think will happen.
Rubio said that if you want to vote for Kasich in Ohio, go ahead and do it.
Basically, he said that.
And so that tells you what kind of pressure is being applied right now to stop Trump.
And here's what I want to ask.
So I said I was going to take it a little further.
This is a rough question.
If we get up to the, you know, we actually get to the point where the convention is here, nobody has quite enough delegates to be the nominee, and then the Republican Party decides to, through some weird rule change, I'm not talking about votes now, I'm talking about some weird rule change, to steal the election from Trump.
I think a huge chunk, like 40% of the Republican Party, will sit the election out and they'll lose all the Senate races, not only the presidency, but all the Senate and House races.
And I think it could be an absolute disaster, and I don't see how it cannot happen at this point.
I mean, it seems like they're on a path to exactly that, and nobody has a solution to stop it.
And I think they know, too, that Trump can't possibly win a general.
If we get all the way to the convention, and now I'm not talking about votes.
I mean, this is a valid way to try and stop Trump.
If Rubio and all the rest of them that are left want to try and soak up enough delegates that, you know, he won't make it, you know, then what happens at an open convention?
Once you've got an open convention, look out, baby.
Anything could happen.
But if he goes in with just about enough delegates or enough delegates and then they figure out some way to steal the election from him, that's really an ugly thought.
The response to it would be frightening, I think.
And I think it's actually likely.
He may get enough delegates to go ahead and get the nomination.
But if he doesn't and they actually steal it from him, that would be a bad moment in America.
That little device I have helps immensely, but when you've got a back as bad as mine...
You know, I watch these commercials on TV.
I'm sure you've seen them, right?
The guy has a bad back.
He can't do anything.
His daughter is frustrated because dad won't come walk the dog because it's backwards.
That's me, right?
So I went to my doctor and I said, How about that?
Can I go to the band-aid, please?
Basically, he sat me down and said, No, son, your back is.
And then he used a word that I can't repeat.
Even Donald couldn't repeat.
But messed up.
Leave it at that.
Hello there.
You're Ania.
unidentified
Hi.
I wanted to talk to you a little bit about Donald Trump.
I think that any candidate who can appeal to Bernie Sanders supporters on the one hand, like your earlier caller, and appeal to right-wingers in the Republican Party, what that tells me is he doesn't believe in anything.
Because if you believe in everything, you don't believe in anything.
And if he appeals to that part of the- Let me tell you what I think there is going on with Donald, all right?
I think that he has not talked about a lot of things that he probably should talk about.
And I'm talking about details of what he'll do because, frankly, you know, they're accusing him of not being a conservative.
He's probably not.
He's probably kind of in between.
And he doesn't want to reveal that.
Frankly, I consider that to be a plus that he's not a pure conservative.
And he's definitely not.
unidentified
Well, yeah, but people, okay, but people oppose the quote-unquote establishment, which whatever that is, he's a billionaire, but he's not part of the establishment.
I think that's funny.
But the establishment's attacked because it lies at the voters, tricks them, doesn't deliver on its promises.
But yet at the same time, Trump gets praised because he's basically lying and pretending to be a conservative.
Well, okay, but that's a good example of how he's living in fantasy land.
He mentioned bringing Apple jobs back to the United States.
That will never happen because the wages in the United States are not going to be comparable to what you can pay in these other countries like Vietnam or China or wherever.
And you can pass all the laws you want and raise the tariffs and whatever you want.
No, you can gain something if you take a very hard position and you say, all right, there's going to be like a 45.
They were talking about 45% tariff.
And he said that's just a threat.
And he's right.
The only way you're going to get jobs back into the U.S. is to level a really big threat and then be prepared to follow through on it if you have to.
And that would be very painful for the American people because prices would go up.
But ultimately, ultimately, you would see factories starting to come back.
I believe that.
unidentified
Yeah, the only way you, well, if let's say that happened, I don't believe that, but let's say that did happen.
Well, then that means that the cost of your iPhone is going to go up a lot.
So I hope everybody's ready for that.
A lot.
Not a little bit.
A lot.
So what you're basically doing is raising prices on some consumer goods for the lowest level of the economy for middle-class people, poor people who shop at Walmart, and they want those cheap electronic goods and they want those cheap shirts.
So let's make it more expensive by either imposing tariffs or bringing the jobs back to the U.S. and paying them the higher wages.
I love it when people say we should have a $15 minimum wage.
Why stop there?
Let's make it $25 an hour.
I mean, the reality is economics doesn't work that way.
You can't create wealth by fiat.
You can't create a law and say everybody's going to be rich.
I don't think he can win, but if he does win, I just can't wait for all the promises that will not be fulfilled because the American presidency is in a dictatorship, and Donald Trump doesn't know what he wants to do either.
I honestly think in other circumstances, he could just as easily run as a Democrat because if you look at a lot of what he says, he says he wants to repeal Obamacare, but he's for the individual mandate.
See, I read this earlier, and I'm not going to read it again.
But basically, I'm saying that the reason we've got Trump, the reason the establishment has Trump, is because in election after election after election, they haven't followed through.
They haven't done what they said they were going to do, and we're in big trouble.
Whether you want to look at the debt or you want to look at jobs or the economy or the roads or whatever you want to look at, we are in trouble.
I think we all agree on that.
And in election after election, sir, since the Jeffersons, we haven't made progress.
We're kind of moving back a little.
unidentified
Well, voters want to have the cake and eat it, too.
They will complain that we have a debt, but then they don't want to either raise taxes or cut spending.
They'll complain that Social Security is going to go bankrupt, but they don't want to do anything.
But the voters have to look in the mirror and blame themselves because they are not sophisticated enough to accept the trade-offs that have to be made to either preserve our entitlement programs or repair the crumbling infrastructure or whatever people want to complain about.
It's their own fault because they cannot, like adults, look at these problems and accept the fact that you just can't have your cake and eat it too all the time.
And so voters who keep complaining about politicians, hey, we elect these politicians.
The truth of the matter is politicians can't shoot straight and be honest with people because they'll react like children and get mad.
If you look at Social Security, if anybody ever talks about cutting Social Security or raising taxes, people have a little temper tantrum.
Well, then what are politicians going to do?
I mean, that's the voters' fault.
So I wish people would put that in the middle of the moment.
If Social Security was put on a rational basis, you'd have a review by the old folks because they'd say that they're being robbed of what they paid in, even though a lot of people are getting more than they ever paid in.
So the fact is, Social Security really wasn't begun for the purpose that it has evolved into.
And so now people would get mad if you try to cut back.
The reason the money isn't there is because they stole it.
Come on, be real.
unidentified
No, the reason we have problems is because people do not want to ever either pay more taxes or cut spending.
They want to.
The same people who would say they want a smaller government, if you ask them on specific programs, will it be Social Security or the one place that I think you and I agree is that to make progress, there's going to be pain, right?
Right.
And people can't take it.
They can't take their medicine, so they just stand and complain about the Illuminati.
To bring the jobs back to the United States, to really get the debt down where, you know, our grandchildren are going to be able to afford something, to do any of the important things that are ahead, there's going to be pain.
The latest polls show Kasich getting pretty close to Trump.
unidentified
Yeah, he may get close, but that's only because he can really milk that northern pier of Ohio, the Cleveland-Akron area, because that's where he's from.
So, I mean, that's just the nature of Ohio politics.
But I don't think on a national, especially when it comes to crunch time, he's not going to be able to pull it.
Anyways, going back to what I was trying to get to with Apple.
First off, the NSA has cracked everything.
Trust me on this.
They could get it.
They could go get a FISA warrant.
I used to be LEO, federal LEO.
So I'm telling you stuff that, look, it's already been put out with PRISM and everything else that the old defector, the, what's his name, leaked.
Now, the third thing you mentioned about David Duke, okay, the first day when he first, and all he did, as a member of the alt-right community now, all David Duke did was say he supported Trump.
But in the CNN interview, that's not so easily sold.
CNN's right about that, because if Donald hadn't repeated the name of David Duke and the KKK, and he did repeat it, that lets us know he heard it, which means he intentionally didn't at that instant disavow.
Well, we had a primary going on in the pretty deep South Mississippi, I do believe, was coming up.
And so he may have done it for strategic reasons.
unidentified
Well, like what we used to say in the federal LEO community, I'm going to be Very honest, you go to a Klan rally, and let's say there's 300 people there.
There might be 20 Bubbas, the rest of them are either FBI agents or informants.
That's for real.
I mean, it's an essay, and it's old used-up stuff.
The alt-right is made up of regular folks, and it's not about anything other than nationalism and just I don't know, man.
I have more in common with somebody that wants to have a black nationalistic feel than I do with just a regular person.
But I think for political, strategic reasons, he did not do what he had done every time previously, and that was to he wanted to generate headlines.
That's what the guy is doing.
It's all about news cycles, owning news cycles, and oh, baby, he owns them.
No question about that.
He really, really owns news cycles.
But that was costly.
You know, a lot of his stuff hasn't been that costly, but that was costly.
In my heart, I don't think he's a racist at all.
But I think that not answering that question in a timely manner made people wonder.
And that was a goof.
That was a big goof on his part, my opinion.
Hello there, you're on the air.
unidentified
Hey there, Art.
Hey, you know, I want to transition from this.
Here we are listening to your program and you're coming back and the one or two programs that are like it.
And if we really listen to the guests that you've had on through the years and others have had on, Jesse Ventura got it right.
It's Demogrip Grips and Rebelicans.
It's a couple of gangs.
They have nothing to do with the Constitution or the way our country runs.
And here we are being laughed at if we do have human hybrids like one of your guests talked about this leader, if we do have extraterrestrial races, some of who may not have our best interest in mind, some who may want to enslave us.
If we have all this going on, they're laughing at us for talking about men that won't really have enough power to do that much.
But yes, I definitely agree with, well, I guess I agree with a lot of your callers that have been tonight about Trump or whatever and the fact that he's not actually an insider.
And it's kind of refreshing to see somebody that's not an insider, not a globalist, not a New World Order globalist that is running for president.
Kind of like Reagan.
Remember how he was, wasn't he a movie star or whatever at one point?
Look, here's the thing, again, I'm going to drop this on you, and maybe somebody can answer it.
Why can't the government just give the damn Phone to Apple and say, all right, open it.
You don't have to give us a program.
You don't have to tell us how you open it.
We don't care.
Open it so we can solve this mystery.
And if there are murders and the information in the phone could lead to the solving of a murder, then I can understand somebody handing the phone to Apple and saying, open it.
You know, some court could decide that, and Apple could open it, give it back to them, that'd be the end of that.
They don't have to know.
They don't have to have a secret back door or anything of that sort, which is what it seems like they want.
Why not just open the damn thing and hand it back to them?
Short of him walking on water, okay, because he was obviously vehemently at first opposed to Trump because he was a clown and a huckster and a carny and on and on and on.
Yeah, well, maybe he's figured out that, you know, the wind seemed to be blowing in a certain direction, and I best put my sails up or I'll be left behind.
Well, he's always been a wind sock, but he's always been able to have his pulse on, you know, your average blue-collar white guy who's pissed off at everything.
And don't forget, that created that which we got, the teabaggers.
The teabaggers were going to go out, we're going to go to Washington, D.C., and clean house.
Like two weeks, three weeks after I buy the three advance, they come out with...
I mean, there are other cool things about the four, but the three Advanced was a really good price.
I caught it at $7.99.
unidentified
Oh, no, that's great.
I'm about three grand into mine.
Yeah.
You don't start out that way.
But, you know, Amazon's going to need this kind of avoidance technology.
I've watched DARPA videos where they have swarms of drones that can fly like a cloud and they don't touch each other.
And it really got me thinking, you know, you had a story once about some people on a highway at night that went through an intersection and collided with a truck and went right through the truck.
And it got me thinking that, you know, atoms have a lot of space in between the electrons.
And if you could somehow modify the electrons with some kind of collision avoidance technology, you could pass solid objects through solid objects.
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine where it is 10 years from now when I can't get two or three weeks downline without a new model coming out and besting what I have.
It's just impossible to even imagine where it might be.
unidentified
Well, and everybody's going to have a drone, you know, and we're going to have clouds of drones out there that need to not run into each other.
They need to pass, groups of them need to be able to pass by each other.
Would come under the category of things that I've always wanted to do, things that I've thought of doing, things even that I've dreamed of doing, but have not quite yet accomplished.
Would I do it?
I don't know.
It comes under the category of if you were fearless, what would you do?
Yes.
Then I would drive down Highway 95 until I got to the right location near the mailbox, maybe, put my drone up, tell it a gentle goodbye, and proceed.
Such an important state coming up in this election, sir.
Can you tell me how you think Ohio will go?
unidentified
Oh.
I can tell you just from what I've seen around town, and now I live in a town that is basically Republican all the way.
People are trying to decide just simply what to do, and they're probably going to go Trump before it's over.
They like the governor, but there's a lot of people in this area that work all with the penitentiary here, women's penitentiary, different things that are state.
And a lot of them are mad because she did shrink a lot of that kind of stuff, and they did lose some jobs.
And it was just nothing major, but they, you know, there's just, we're living in that part of the country where that happens.
Yeah, I have sympathy with that point of view, actually.
If any one party stays in office too long, they have too many opportunities to affect the Supreme Court.
And another four or perhaps even eight years of Democrats with the nominations that would come along with them could really change everything about America.
So, you know, there really is a lot at stake.
I mean, there is a lot at stake.
This has been some crazy season, and I don't know that I should be admitting that I have enjoyed watching the, I don't know, what do you call it, the strife, the wild, I have enjoyed it.
I just admit it.
I've really enjoyed it.
I am a political person at Art, and I know that probably I'll be crucified for bringing it up on the show and talking about it.
It's kind of an interesting thing in that no matter what the person is, as long as they're not that type of insider, so to speak, people are just glom to them, no matter who they are or what they do.
And as for the one caller who was so concerned with throwing people out without their coats in Vermont, I found that to be just right because I'm getting tired of these people breaking in with violent and rude protests to these people.
Well, like, well, basically those faxes you got in the late 90s, I believe it was 97 or 98, I was the one that came up with the idea for those faxes to be sent to you to prove that John Teeter was a real-time traveler.
And you got those faxes, and they're on the internet now.
Well, when I first met him, it was a gut feeling that made me trust it because it's a long story, like I said.
At that time, it was around 1999 when I was posting on conspiracy forums, like post-to-post.
Yes, and I was posting how the Serbians shot down Estelle, and everyone was denying it and thinking I was crazy and I didn't know what I was talking about.
And at the same time, there was a I'm a Time Traveler from 2036 post going on, and everyone thought he was crazy, too.
I'm going to ask you straight out one more time because there's not a lot of time.
How do you know he's a real time traveler?
unidentified
Well, because the facts.
The facts that were sent to you in the 90s proved that the 9-11 predictions, there's three of them that are around.
Three of those factions are out and circulated thanks to your show and the help of your show, which is how we got it out there.
My idea was like, if you want to prove you're a time traveler, send it coast to coast where like it's a forum where everyone will be able to see it and prove it and give us a prediction that hasn't happened yet.
Because up until that point, when I was talking to him, 9-11 hasn't happened.
I didn't even know 9-11 was going to happen.
And I didn't find out until years later that holy craps, he didn't make the prediction, and it was true, and it ended up onto your show.
You should be in politics.
I think so.
And by the way, time travelers and I endorse Donald Trump.
It's the way you answer questions, and you're not.
unidentified
Well, I just want to say another thing.
It's very interesting that it's 312, 2016, because John Teters said that World War III started on 312, 2015 in his world line.
And that's why I had to call Art because you were on the air a year after in his timeline that World War III started.
And it's just amazing to me that you're talking about Charlotte politics right now because I think this is very important because the year 2000, he started warning us that the election was going to be rigged.
And this is what's happening right now.
And people in Michigan didn't let it happen.
And Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin need to follow suit and not allow our elections to be stolen.
And that's really all I really need to say about this.