Jeffrey Scott Holland explores "feral humans"—cases like the November 18, 2015, Texas sighting of Russian Hind helicopters or Kentucky’s 1980 naked, erratic figures—linking them to hydrogen sulfide leaks, methane exposure, and environmental toxins. He cites Miami’s debunked but unexplained "zombie" incident and Florida’s pharmaceutical-laced water as potential triggers for violent, animalistic behavior, while callers propose rabies weaponization or government ELF wave experiments. The phenomenon underscores humanity’s fragility under extreme conditions, blending science, conspiracy, and survivalist fears into a chilling reflection on societal collapse risks. [Automatically generated summary]
From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's 25 time zones, each and every one covered like a blanket by this program.
Midnight in the desert.
My name is Art Bell.
Great to be here.
Lots to talk about.
And we're going to be doing a show tonight on feral humans.
That's right.
Feral humans.
Actually, it'll probably, as a show, be all over the place.
But feral humans is definitely the topic.
Wild humans.
They may even be in urban areas.
Anyway, a couple of things to, several things to note.
Heavily armed French SWAT teams, as I am sure you have seen numerous times now on TV, swooped in Wednesday, neutralized a cell.
This is another cell in France, ready to launch new attacks.
Looks like two dead after the police fired about 5,000 rounds during an hour-long siege.
It occurred while I was on the air last night, and we brought you breaking news as it occurred.
Eight people were arrested.
The raid was targeted, actually, on the suspected planner of all of this, but his fate at this hour remains unclear.
They do have one body mangled too badly, so I guess we'll have to do DNA and then we'll know.
In measuring progress in the American-led air campaign war against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, numbers tell a story, but the results, unfortunately, tell another.
Fighter jets, bombers, attack planes, drones, dropping an average of 2,228 bombs per month.
Get that on targets ranging from training camps, machine gun positions, to oil facilities and weapon shacks.
Pentagon says it doesn't do body counts, but they figure around 20,000 ISIS fighters killed.
Well, I remember body counts in Vietnam, and what a mess that was.
So their guess is just that, a guess.
In other news, not really other news, continuing news, I guess, Honduras.
And this is something we really need to, I believe, worry about.
Honduras detained four Syrian men with fake passports.
Honduras.
So let's see now.
If Syrians could get into Honduras, they could presumably go north.
Who's north?
We're north.
So nice, they caught them.
I wonder how many others are doing the same thing.
Maybe we do need that wall.
ISIS claims that that bomb on a Russian plane was indeed theirs.
They say and show in a picture that it was a soda can, which they kindly provided a picture of for everybody.
A can of soda with some Arabic writing on it.
Something to set the charge off and perhaps some kind of switch.
They say that brought the plane down, and it might have.
I am seeing, by the way, all kinds of stories about how effective Anonymous is in shutting down ISIS public propaganda on the internet.
Anonymous has declared, as you heard on this program, and then backed up the next day in an article, all out war on ISIS.
And apparently, they're having some success or even a great deal of success.
It will force ISIS to the dark net, but I'm sure they're there anyway.
If we can keep this video out of our media, that would be really great.
And there is a new video that threatens New York City, shows Times Square, that kind of thing.
So all the news is ISIS, ISIS, ISIS.
I do have a couple of other things I want to bring to your attention.
One is this email, and I want to read it to you.
At least three times in recent memory, you've posed the idea to guess that there are fewer and fewer UFO sightings as the years go by, despite the fact that our ability to document them has dramatically risen.
A few have disagreed that they've decreased, but anecdotally, at least from my observation, they do seem to have done so.
Although the question has been raised, I haven't once heard a guest posit a pretty plausible reason, one that correlates directly to our increased ability to document them.
And that's the fact that although we walk around with cameras in our pockets, we do, those cameras are seldom in our pockets.
That is to say, we're constantly staring at them.
More than any other time in our culture's history, we are deeply distracted by our handheld technology, myself included, at times.
And the devices that enable us to document, in quotes, The paranormal are the very same devices that prevent us from raising our heads to witness it, or I might add anything.
I've worked at a number of universities for a number of years now, and I swear to God, most days you could fly an Independence Day-sized craft right over the quad, and the number of people who would see it you could count on one hand.
Oh, you'd have one or two people saying they saw something for every 300 whose eyes were on their iPhones tell you there was nothing there.
Incidentally, there was an absolutely fascinating episode, this goes back to something I said last night, of a National Geographic TV show called Brain Games regarding the unreliability of eyewitness testimony, season one, episode three, if you like.
Remember this, available on Netflix as well.
In the episode, the show stages a crime.
It's a robbery in a public park over the span of a week or two.
It interrogates the eyewitnesses in jury room setting at one point to see how their memories are of what they saw, how their memories might change and are altered over time by their communication with other witnesses.
I'll never fully trust an eyewitness again after seeing that show.
It'll blow your mind.
Highly recommend it.
And he adds, it's Chandler.
Thank you, Chandler.
Absolutely loved your show with the cave diver, by the way.
Thanks for all that you've done on Midnight in the Desert.
And I thought that was a very, very interesting email.
And then I've got one other.
This is from Elizabeth Art.
I live in Texas.
And today, 11, 18, 2015, at 5 o'clock p.m., I saw two Russian Heinz, those are helicopters, two Russian Heinz, she says, fly heading northeast, over her, heading northeast.
Now, to me, it is strange because I've never seen a Russian craft fly overhead before.
I thought it was interesting.
I wanted to let you know.
If you're wondering how I know they were Russian Heinz, yes, I am.
It's because when I was married, I was an Army wife, and we lived in Berlin, Germany.
And he showed me what they look like.
That's from Lisa.
Really?
Hind helicopters in Texas.
Interesting report.
Sounds legit to me.
All right, coming up in a moment is Jeffrey Hind.
He is an author, photographer, originally from the wilderness of Kentucky, currently living in Florida.
Interesting.
His lifelong interest in cryptids and paranormal culminated in his popular book, Weird Kentucky and its fictional accompaniment, The Devil and Daniel Boone.
He co-starred in Something Wicked on the Biography Channel, and an independent film based on his novel, The Bartender, is scheduled for 2017.
He released in 2017.
Holland's recurring fascination with feral humans, partially inspired by his rural upbringing, has become something of a cult legend since his original appearance on my show, Everybody Reminds Me, in 1997.
His upcoming non-fiction paranormal book, Invisible Topography, postulates the possibility of communicating with ghosts via microscope and Undomesticated, a novel which will explore the feral human and werewolf phenomena, which are currently in the works.
Really?
Werewolves.
I wonder if we're going to be allowed to ask him about that.
Well, you know, when we first spoke back then, I was more thinking along the lines of humans that were living a feral existence, but reproducing as a sort of a species of their own, like feral cats.
But in the years since, I've come to think more of it like just a syndrome in which humans, ordinary humans, can just suddenly snap and go rogue and enter a feral-like state due to various factors, which we'll get into.
Throughout history, I mean, there have been people who have just sort of emerged from the woods and they don't speak English.
I don't know if you're familiar with Caspar Hauser and his story, but he was a child who was apparently reared in total isolation and could not speak or reason.
And he gets lumped into feral humans by others, not by me.
I think that if we discount all of these stories of feral children and just look at people who have snapped.
A feral human technically would not be operating a gun.
I'm thinking more like completely losing one's senses, one's reason, not just philosophically or morally, but actually entering an animal-like state purely.
And his love for isolation probably did contribute to his insanity.
But again, animals don't write long, pompous, pretentious manifestos.
Good point.
So I'm not sure I would lump a unibomber type either into the concept, which would be something closer to Bigfoot, a cryptid, something that is, for all intents and purposes, a wild animal.
I say snap, but it could be a gradual process akin to dementia, something that deteriorates one's sense of reason over time until it reaches the point where they go off on their own.
And they connected it, interestingly, to the growing statistics of missing persons in America.
Now, your listeners know that David Polades has a very interesting book called Missing 411 about this, how missing persons are on the rise in America, especially in national parks.
However, I asked him something that he could not answer, and I would have thought that surely somebody who has researched the national parks and missing people to the degree that he has would be able to answer this question.
I said, look, how do the number of missing people in national parks, and it's still a valid question, compare to the number of people that go missing right out in society and get reported to the police for that matter?
No, and one would imagine If you were trying to make a case that there's something special about the national parks, you'd at least compare it to the general population missing figures.
And I don't know the correlation between those two statistics myself.
I bring up the national parks just as an example of if someone was to enter a feral state, doesn't have to be national parks, in the vicinity of any body of woods.
There were four original case studies on the Feral Humans website that I had at the time of the old show.
And two of them are from the body of Bigfoot reportings.
They're both in Kentucky.
All of my research at the time was in Kentucky because that's where I was from.
It was my focus.
But November 5th, 1980, in Mason County, Kentucky, a truck driver saw what he described as a humanoid creature with a head of white hair.
And he didn't call it a Bigfoot sighting.
He didn't think of it in those terms.
But the Bigfoot lore built up around it after the fact, of course.
And apparently he didn't get enough of a good glimpse of it to determine because he didn't know what it was.
He didn't call it a Bigfoot.
But it's interesting to note that there's another case, also in Mason County, Kentucky, in October 7th, 1980.
There's a family who are watching television when they heard their pet rooster outside start crowing.
And they went outside to see that there was what he described, the man, the husband of the house, described as a man-like creature with pink eyes and a big head of white hair.
Now, I think it's very interesting, the same county, same time period, same rather un-Bigfoot-like description of a man-like creature with a head of white hair.
So jumping off from that point, I mean, it stands to reason that these two might be connected and that they probably are not Bigfoot per se as we understand the term.
Okay.
So if we assume that both cases were in the dark, so we can postulate that this might be a person that, for whatever reason, is acting this manner, like a wild animal, choking animals in the backyard and wandering around on the interstates at night.
Well, it's rather anticlimactic to describe, but Red River Gorge is basically Kentucky's version of the Grand Canyon.
It pales in comparison to it in terms of size, but it's a beautiful gorge.
I was in the gorge near a place called Cloud Splitter Rock, and I encountered this naked bearded man in the woods, looking like one of ZZ Top, and he was covered with mud and leaves and vines, which were matted into his hair and beard,
giving him sort of a swamp thing appearance, which sort Of you know, gives you the feeling that okay, he didn't just get that way, he must have been out there for some time and he was not behaving like a human being.
Well, this man, this bearded naked man with vines and mud all over him, tromping through, I mean, we're totally in the middle of nowhere at this point.
I got there by car and then hiked several miles.
How he got here, I have no idea.
But his eyes seem to show like a little bit of intelligence, but I mean, he was basically out there.
Now, this is sort of the classic, this is what sparked me to thinking about feral humans, obviously, because this person did not seem to be a person anymore, as we understand the term.
Shuffling around, hunched over, meandering through the woods in a circuitous, ant-like, not walking as a person would from point A to point B with intent, just sort of, you know, puttering around.
Well, when I talked about this to other locals, I heard a lot of similar stories in subsequent years from people who talked about old mountain men who have lost their minds living deep in the mountains and revert to an animal-like state.
And so I began to think, okay, I'm onto something here.
What if there really are like feral humans living in these deep remaining pockets of wilderness still in America?
And that's if we even think, okay, this is just somebody who ate a bad mushroom, somebody's out in the woods on drugs, eventually the drugs wear off, and you're yourself again.
And I'm not, you know, I'm just, I'm sort of using my imagination in a not-so-nice way, really.
I don't want to think of parents letting their children go, but an autistic child is a really big burden on a family And becomes increasingly so as a child, you know, medical bills and all the rest of it, as a child grows.
And so, if we really have the kind of rates of autism that scientists are claiming right now, I guess you cannot rule this out as a possibility.
And that's just how that child, or even preteen, for example, would, I guess, react.
The gentleman referenced a study that was done by a TV show, I believe, in which people were witness to a robbery, right?
A bunch of them.
They all got to witness the staged robbery, and then they were later questioned about what they saw.
And they got it so wrong that it would scare you to death.
Eyewitness testimony is not particularly reliable.
So if you see an unclothed something or another in the woods or near a housing development, whatever, you're going to just sort of, I think, add to it in your mind, my God, what did I see, right?
And I don't know if you're aware that there are certain permutations of the Bigfoot story in which Bigfoot is carrying a lantern, which I've always found fascinating how Bigfoot would come to be carrying a lantern.
But this actually sounds more like an old mountain man wandering around in a days than it does a prehistoric cryptid.
I know a lady who saw a Bigfoot which was wearing a shirt.
Now, maybe this is beginning to make a little bit of sense because if there is, if we really imagine there's such a thing as Bigfoot, it would, whenever it gets close to civilization, it would see people, right?
And they wear clothes.
So it might try and emulate, it might find a shirt hanging on somebody's line and try it on.
There's one more of the old case files here, and this was a newspaper clipping, which, alas, I no longer have, and I need to find it again.
It was in the Citizen Voice and Times, which is the newspaper of Estel County, Kentucky.
There were Bigfoot rumors circulating in the area about a man-like figure prowling in the woods near their homes.
Now, police combed the wilderness in the area, and this is in, you know, this is not in some oddball website or something.
This is an actual newspaper that reports that the police went searching for this Bigfoot, and what they found was a human being who had been on the missing persons list for quite some time.
And according to the report, he was naked, but covered in mud, covered in foliage, and it said this in the newspaper, to the extent that vines and moss and lichen were actually growing in his hair and on his body.
It's actually the recent proliferation of the popularity of zombies that has got me rethinking feral humans once again.
There is a book called Fever Rising by Joe Mori, and you should probably get him on your show.
He and other bloggers and authors have gradually in the past two or three years been pointing to hydrogen sulfide and methane As the culprits behind a modern-day zombie outbreak.
And so you would point to that, perhaps, as what you're talking about here, or is that a step even beyond, I mean, I can understand dementia, wandering into the woods, perhaps an autistic child away from home, a lot of things.
But boy, when you're talking about somebody eating somebody else's face, what could be more animalistic?
Now, if we accept that it is, but I know that immense amounts of methane are trapped beneath the ocean, increasing amounts.
A lot of scientists figure it can't hold forever, and one day, like that lake, wherever it was in Europe or somewhere, no, Africa, that suddenly exploded with methane and killed a whole village.
If the ocean were to let go, that would not be good.
So you're saying hydrogen sulfide is also with methane stored in the ocean?
As the methane comes out, as I understand it, now ancient anaerobic bacteria that predate oxygen-dependent life, they're naturally in the ocean in some quantities, but they're thriving around these methane vents and melting permafrost where the methane is seeping out.
And these anaerobic bacteria in archaea, they generate hydrogen sulfide.
So they work hand in hand, and it's a circular action that just keeps building on itself.
Sorry, but you took me into the world of zombies and now I don't know what to do.
Let me just, because we're there, sort of, ask you, is it your opinion that mankind one day could face what we see in these horrible movies?
And by that I mean a general snapping, if you will, of the greater part or a great part of the population, which would then be out there virtual zombies and, you know, I mean, take care of your own face, right?
So we don't really know the results of anybody who's been brought in, either by the police or by anybody else who's been examined psychiatrically, and we don't know, do we?
It has to be quickly because unless they still retain some innate sense of survival skills despite their inability to otherwise speak and reason, I just don't see how they get by in the woods.
And yet some actually seem to survive for extended periods of time.
And when they're captured, I don't know of any cases where it's been overtly explained how they were treated, if they were able to regain their sanity, if they gained speech back again and understanding.
Now, by itself, that would be a pretty cute legend to kick around, except that an entire Boy Scout troop and their cub master personally witnessed this,
and it began to give the story some legs that whether it was connected to the original legend or not, coincidentally enough, here is a similar furry creature in the vicinity of the Pope Lake Trestle.
I believe the horns would be just an embellishment of somebody's imagination that belongs more to the original fictional legend of a more satanic goat god that lures children across the trestle.
You know, I don't know about all that.
I do know that actual descriptions of a furry humanoid creature have been made repeatedly over the span of half a century in this same spot by people who previously had no awareness of this legend until they were told.
With regard to sightings of feral humans or whatever we want to call them, are there geographic areas where you're hearing more reports than other areas?
Well, that's very interesting because getting back to the hydrogen sulfide and methane that are filling up the oceans, we find that these incidents are more likely to occur near the ocean and near bodies of water in general because it is in bodies of water that these anaerobic bacteria are thriving.
All I can tell you is that when you go down the line of all the cases, you keep going, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
And then sometimes you see one that doesn't look like it sticks out, and then you Google the Google Maps, and sure enough, there's some lake you've never heard of right adjacent to where the incident took place.
Well, there's no lake here in Perup, where I live.
There is a lake at an RV park just up the road.
I'm now starting to worry about that.
Sorry, I'm just thinking as you're describing here.
So is there some way, anyway, to delineate between a person who has gone mad from chemical exposure and a person who has just gone mad or is delusional and has gone to an animal-like state or zombie state, if you will?
Well, for our purposes here, I'm not even sure there's a need to make that distinction.
The end result is what it is, regardless of the means.
Now, even if all this stuff about hydrogen sulfide is completely way off, we have to admit that something in general is having this effect on the populace.
For lack of a better term, a lot of people, especially Walking Dead fans, I think there's this unconscious, unspoken, maybe not so unspoken, sense of us and them where increasingly we think of everybody else.
We put them in that box.
And it isn't fair, but it is sort of the way the mentality is going of distrust because there's just so much crime and violence and strangeness going on, especially here in Florida.
Just because Jeffrey got us there, if you woke up one morning and you turned on the radio and TV and there were those kind of messages and a zombie apocalypse had begun, no matter what the cause, how would you handle it?
unidentified
Well, my TV went in the dumpster a long time ago.
We're using the upper and lower sidebands and just being on the road.
I do drive a truck.
I handle it every day, Art.
And the way I handle it is just by the power of love is stronger.
I've been listening, and I was just wondering if maybe they already, the government or whoever already knew about this, and that's why we're having the onslaught of Walking Dead and all the zombie movies.
So if you were to wake up some morning and you heard that there was a zombie apocalypse going on, they have, if not risen, they have gone nuts, and they are walking the streets waiting to eat your face, what would you do?
unidentified
That's a good question because evidently you can't shoot them, huh?
Yeah, that's the thing that was kind of confusing me because I listened to you on WinAmp and then sometimes I listen to you on the Link.
They're both streaming, but they were saying different things.
And on one of the ones I was linking to, it was talking about how you had made it into the top 25, which is, you know, based on how long you've been doing that.
Well, do you realize being in the impaired condition that you're in right now, if there was a zombie apocalypse, you, sir, would be one of its first victims?
unidentified
Actually, I believe the zombie apocalypse has been upon us for quite a while.
Every time I see a new iPhone released, I know we're in the zombie apocalypse.
Sometimes, I guess, in life, you just have to roll with it.
My guest was, and perhaps is, Jeffrey Holland.
And we were to talk of feral humans.
However, a number of things have happened.
One being that I lost his contact after he acknowledged that we're actually not talking about feral humans in the old sense, the 1997 sense, but more like zombies.
Well, it's dark out there right now, so we're not facing the sun.
My goodness gracious.
Okay, well, what I would like to do, Jeffrey, is you've stopped me with this whole thing.
When we get to the point of talking about zombies, I don't know what to do with it.
It's like, and that is what you mean, right?
Not putting any punches?
Yeah, zombies, all right.
Other than the man, before we proceed with the show, who ate another guy's face in Miami, have you heard of any other cases of apparent zombie-like behavior?
You find an inordinate amount of naked people going on insane rampages.
You can visit the Jumpin' Jack Flash Hypothesis blog, which does a very good job of collating these, or you can simply enter search queries like Naked Man Berserk, Naked Man Rampage, in the Google News or what have you,
and you will find day after day, week after week, there's just a flood of these insane naked, sometimes women, but usually Naked Man eruptions all over the country.
I'm starting to think that maybe it's not crazy to talk about zombies the way things are these days.
Why the hell not?
Listen, let me finish giving out the phone numbers because we are definitely going to let you talk to Jeffrey before I say something I'll beat somebody about.
So the thing that stood out the most was, and they take everything very seriously, and they had biologists on, and they said that if it were to be viral, the closest thing that they could think of as a zombie would be someone, would be if the rabies virus were to spread like the flu through sneezing and coughing.
If it were to ever spread, if it were to ever mutate and spread that way, it could become a big problem because by the time you have symptoms, it's too late.
You know, I hate to say it, but it's a fair comment.
He's right.
If you watch the series, which obviously you don't, Jeffrey, they send two people, they get two people, let them have limited stuff, you know, like maybe a fire starter, if they're lucky, and a knife.
Right?
And they send them into these remote areas.
And as the caller pointed out, by the time you know, they're 18, 19 days into it, if they haven't had much to eat, they start going crazy.
I mean, really kind of crazy.
And it's what you would expect, Jeffrey.
So he was saying, well, could it have some connection to human beings who, whatever reason, are away from nourishment, away from any help, or even wanting it?
And so they become peril or zombies, if you will, and I know you will, pretty quickly, right?
You spend the first hour of the program talking about how people are going mad, going out of their minds, going naked, going into the woods, becoming, Carol, virtual zombies.
And let me add, here's Jasmunda.
I can't resist.
Jasmunda, you are on the air with Jeffrey Holland.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hi, Jeffrey.
I'm not sure we can leap to it being zombies at the moment.
These cases of the face-eating, believe, wasn't there, there was definitely bath salts involved in that.
Hello, you're on the air with Jeffrey Scott Holland.
unidentified
Hi, Art.
Hi.
I had two things, actually.
First of all, that guy that was hauled off like a bear, captured and hauled off to the hospital and all that.
What if some of these people are people that have some basic survival skills and are just fed up with society's stuff and decide to live off the land?
And isn't it rather cruel and inhumane to capture them, imprison them, and force them to live in the very circumstances that they wanted away from in the first place?
Skype, of course, at MITD51 and or outside the country at MITD55.
And once again, here is Jeffrey.
Jeffrey, so let me pause, even though the phone lines are sitting there full, let me pause for a moment and see if there is anything that you want to say that thus far into the interview you have not managed to squeeze in or take a bite of.
Well, maybe one day we get the alert via radio and television that the apocalypse has begun, and it will turn out to be some sort of drug they're advertising on TV now in combination with something else.
And something else again, and something rising out of the ocean, and all together, it's added up to be the zombie apocalypse.
I'm a hand loader, and so I pay a lot of attention to different manufacturers of ammunition, and I believe it's Hornady manufacturers, a whole line of what they call zombie ammunition.
What?
It's even got funny-looking faces on the boxes, and that Kawasaki green and everything.
You're saying that it's a combination of what's coming from the chemtrails and then that's setting you up for the microwave switch and then you essentially become a zombie.
unidentified
Well, you can become a zombie.
They can stay, depending on the signal that they send you through these microwaves, through your...
your little iphones there and and your android phones and and these wi-fi things are sticking on them smart meters and yes yes yes you know when they flip this switch they can either send you a signal to make you go crazy and kill each other or they can send you a signal to make you passive like a puppet dog so in other words this could happen to anybody with an iPhone or an Android or even a smart meter on the side of their house.
You know, earlier in the evening, I wouldn't have given this any credence, any conversation whatsoever, but my callers, throughout the last now, hour at least, have proven to me that a zombie apocalypse, if not possible, may even be probable and may be underway right now.
unidentified
Bro, you told us mind control stuff you're doing, this MKL for something.
It's what they did in Uganda when they went over there and they sent all these guys in, set up these antennas, and they flipped the switch, and everybody just went crazy, killing each other.
Maybe it's, you know, I think it's actually come to the point where if the radio and TV announced there was an actual beginning of a zombie apocalypse, nobody'd be surprised.
Or, you know, they'd be shocked.
But judging from the calls I've been getting, the American people are nearly expecting it.
If possible, you want to have a portable water, of course, because water is the first thing you're going to need, followed by some sort of dried food supply.
And then, of course, you've got to be able to protect your residents.
So you've got to have some sort of protective measure, you know, a gun, a knife, something, right?
Because they'll be coming at you.
Not fast, but they'll be coming at you in a stride that you understand means the end if they get to you.
And then, of course, you need transportation, some way to move about if you have to.
I don't know.
That's about the best I can do, but, you know, I'm ready, sort of.
unidentified
Do you have any regenerative food supply, like animals, livestock?
I mean, obviously you still have the power of speech.
So how has this...
unidentified
Well, and this is why I'm calling.
And of course, I'm done being facetious, but I wanted to address your previous talker, the fellow who'd documented and researched.
And he talked about seeing people running wild through the forest.
And he also talked about people in the city.
And now, this is something that I have a lot of experience with.
Schizophrenia is very widespread.
Unfortunately, schizophrenia, and it's so often hard to recognize.
And I've lived with people who have clinically diagnosed with this disease.
And it comes in many different forms.
But I do recognize it on the bus, in the restaurant, and such as.
Yes, in the description of a feral human, which I'm not, but it's fun to say, but in that description, I think what is being described would be people who are having a hard time dealing with authority on any level, even if it's authority that's trying to help them.
You know, they say that the amount of pharmaceuticals that get excreted from the human body are actually becoming more and more prevalent in our drinking water.
And that's something to consider in light of the subject.
Yeah, we crudely extract the sewage, but we have water that's left over that still has traces of it.
So we are essentially spraying very minute quantities, but quantities nonetheless, of sewage everywhere that we have water sprinklers and garden hoses.
So point being, if there's pharmaceuticals in the sewage and we're spraying sort of sewage-y water on everything here, that doesn't bode well for the whole situation, though, does it?
Well, extremely low frequency radio waves can affect a person's behavior.
That much I know.
unidentified
Yeah, so he wrote a book about a new breed satellite terrorism in America.
And he's talking about how government is targeting these people who are already on these psychotropic drugs.
And they're targeting them and passing messages through their head and telling them, a lot of these people, when they finish these atrocities, shooting a lot of these people, and they always say they hear noises.
Well, I think the theory is that if they scare you sufficiently with talk of terrorism and bombs and all kinds of things, they can take more and more of your freedom.
There is that.
unidentified
There is that, but they need public to agree upon that this is going on so they can take your weapon away.
Right now, the technical scale is not on the other side of the, you know, on the public that agreed to take the gun away.
Well, let me assume the spirit of one of my earlier callers who said that, well, why aren't you think we're having all these zombie apocalypse TV shows and movies?
They're getting us ready.
Now, I find there is zombie ammunition.
Well, how about same reason?
unidentified
Did you see the ad that CDC, they put it out earlier about a year or so ago, you know, to get ready for a zombie apocalypse?
Probably it would be Mega Roswell's, but sure, go ahead.
unidentified
Okay, well, I just had a question.
I kind of had the feeling of the zombie effect.
I learned and grew up that zombie was something that originated basically in Africa, and they gave them a neurotoxin or poison and virtually almost put the person into a state of near-death or pseudo-death and buried them for a day or so.
And then they woke up and they were just virtually brain dead.
I think I got that from years ago from Discover Magazine or National Geographic.
I don't really know exactly what you're talking about, but it does ring some bells about them being able to accomplish that actually with a person and then bury them in there.
World War Z was actually a very, very good movie in terms of the way the zombies were depicted and the CGI that was done in World War Z. It was excellent.
I was going to say, how could you possibly have missed that with the song you're singing?
Hello there on the first time caller line.
You are on the air.
unidentified
Oh, I was listening in on your guys' zombie conversations.
What do you think about if most of the zombie cases were mostly, let's say, drug-related or chemical-related, something that messes with the person's head?
Well, it does seem like if something like that could happen, it would be somehow related to pharmaceuticals or a bad combination of various drugs or something in the environment in combination with drugs.
Who knows?
unidentified
Yeah, that's a good point.
Do you think there's a certain way you can prepare for that if it were, let's say, chemical-related?
Maybe so much weird stuff has happened in today's world, including the kind of programs that we have on TV now, The Walking Dead and all the rest of that.
And then even some of the science shows beginning to do things about The Walking Dead as a possibility, zombies as a possibility.
I think what's going on here, and I, you know, I could be wrong about this, but I think what's going on, and the reason we're getting the calls we're getting, is because, well, people are sensing that it's getting near the end.
They're sensing that things are going so far off the rails that there may soon be no going back.
And so zombies wouldn't be a particular surprise, I suppose, at some point.
Yeah, actually, as I look at my neighbor of late, he has been taking on some disagreeable aspects in both his appearance and some of the things that he's growled.
Ah, well, I imagine you could plow through a whole bunch of them in that rig.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
But I'm thinking tonight now, when you go to leave the studio, you're going to open the door up, look to the left, look to the right, and you're going to smutter under your breath, zombies.
In most of the movies that I've seen, yes, they plow through a few zombies, But, you know, people like self-driving trucks, they generally end up as mutilated pieces.
unidentified
That's it.
I'd have to put the pedal to the metal if I see them.
I'm not going to stop.
Yeah, well, that works until you run out of petrol.
I was going to say, thanks for taking my call, but I remember reading something.
I don't remember if it was on the internet or when they did the autopsy on the guy that ate the guy's face, that they didn't find any of the guy's face in his stomach.
No, I don't, because I don't remember a follow-up story, but how could they not?
Because they didn't find, as far as I know, they didn't find the pieces there adjacent to the body.
So then where are the pieces?
unidentified
That was the weird thing I thought was really weird is how did he not have it in his stomach, but they didn't find it at the theme, which blew me away, and I was thinking, well, where did it go?
You know, I was listening to you, and then they switched over to Nori took over coast to coast, and I heard you came back on right after Twite Lewis and over here in Portland, so that's how I'm listening to you again.