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Nov. 13, 2015 - Art Bell

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Art Bell MITD - Open Lines Paris Attacks

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are in the world's 25 beautiful time zones, each and every one covered like a blanket by this program, Midnight in the Desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Thank you for being here.
		There are some, you know, some days in your life, you live long enough, where you get to see things or walk in on things on TV and they just stop you cold, right?
		For me, I remember walking in as Challenger launched in the accident.
		That stopped me cold.
		And so did, of course, 9-11.
		And now today, Paris.
		I walked in and the TV was nothing but Paris.
		It had just begun.
		And I've seen all the coverage.
		So we're going to talk about it in this first hour.
		In the second hour, we're going to go to Open Lines, and you can talk about that or anything else.
		But it's pretty darn big news.
		Two rules for this program, no bad language, one call per show.
		Here's what I know about Paris.
		It's not much.
		Six sites were attacked in the city of Paris.
		They believe 153 people or more may be dead.
		Reported dead.
		It was a terrorist attack.
		France has declared, get this now, a state of emergency and France has closed its borders.
		Very unusual move.
		The citizens of Paris are asked to stay at home tomorrow.
		There are thought to be five attackers dead thus far.
		There were three wearing varying kinds of explosives like belts.
		Gunmen are thought to perhaps still be loose, unknown how many.
		You have to wonder where the next major city is, perhaps New York.
		ISIS is celebrating, but not yet claiming official credit for doing this.
		And there could be a lot of reasons for that.
		It could be there are more attacks to unfold there or elsewhere.
		One attacker was quoted by somebody who was there as speaking in French that this attack is related to Syria and Iraq.
		And then he was heard to scream, Allah Akbar.
		I have one complaint to, I guess you could call it.
		The French police did not move in on the theater soon enough.
		If they had understood who these people were, they would have moved in right away because they were in there killing them one at a time.
		And it's probably ISIS, that's my opinion.
		But whoever it turns out to be, they had only one motive, and that was to kill people to commit a terrorist act, act as many as possible.
		So that theater should have been rushed immediately, in my opinion.
		Otherwise, the French look like they're doing a good job.
		Coming up, Richard S. Hahn is president of R. Hahn and Company, Inc.
		They are a security consulting and investigative company specializing in counterterrorism and homeland security.
		All at stake here, right?
		Rick also works as an instructor and a lecturer for various U.S. government agencies, including the U.S. Department of State.
		Rick retired from the FBI after a distinguished career spanning 32 years.
		As an agent, he specialized in investigations of domestic and international terrorist organizations dating to the first terrorist activities in this country.
		And so here he is.
		Welcome aboard, Rick.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, good evening.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		It's a pleasure to be here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's good to have you.
		You're here in the first half hour, then we've got John Batchelor from New York on, which I would imagine New York is somewhat on its toes tonight.
		Wouldn't you?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		I'm sure all of our major cities are at this point.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is the sort of thing that all of the intelligence community is acutely aware of is the fact that there are sleeper cells probably throughout the world that can be activated to do these types of terrorist attacks at almost any time on short notice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		There is a theory that you might want to comment on, and that is that we apparently turned Jihadi John into little pieces with a strike, what was it, 24 hours ago.
		If whoever did this had a cell ready in Paris, do you think it could be a reaction to that?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Oh, there's no question that that's certainly one of the more probable motives.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		But at this point, the fact that, as you point out, that ISIS has not claimed credit for this leaves us wondering at this point, speculating as to what group this could be.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think they were quoted on Twitter as saying, be patient.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, that might indicate that they're going to take credit, but there's still something going on, or they don't want to expose operatives, or who knows.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, exactly.
		And at this point, there could be outstanding orders for them to attack other cities, either in Europe or the United States or Australia for that matter, or Canada.
		And they may be just waiting to see how opportune those situations are in those various countries.
		Again, as you stated, the city of New York is on alert, and I'm sure Chicago, Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., San Francisco are all also on alert at this point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had to hazard a guess as to who did this, who would it be?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, ISIS, of course, is probably number one on the list, only because of the motivation factor with Jihadi John now, as you said, in pieces.
		But that doesn't eliminate Al-Qaeda.
		It doesn't eliminate Lashkari Taiba, which is the organization that pulled off the attacks in Mumbai.
		And I would point out that in Mumbai, we had 10 attackers that also attacked six separate targets, very similar targets in that they're upscale restaurants, hotels, things like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		People are actually comparing this to Mumbai.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I suppose in the method of attack, it's a reasonable comparison, right?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And it's a demonstration of the fact that it doesn't take a lot.
		A few weapons and a small amount of explosives can cause a great deal of havoc.
		And because these are terrorists, these are not military personnel that wear uniforms that are distinguishable from the rest of the crowd, it makes it almost impossible for security services, be it police or military, to identify, locate, and neutralize these people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I don't know how you're going to take this, but take it the way you will.
		It seems to me that this is blowback.
		And when I say blowback, I don't mean just for Jihadijan.
		I mean blowback that goes back all the way to the U.S. deciding that it was going to nation-build in Iraq.
		And all it did was nation-destroy.
		And then, of course, it became a giant civil war and complete chaos.
		And that spread into Syria even more.
		And the end result was the caliphate that we're going to have to end up eliminating before this is all over.
		What do you think?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think you're certainly in part right that we opened the door, we opened Pandora's box by going into Iraq.
		There's no question about that.
		What we failed to recognize, I think, back at the time in 2001, 2002, was the conflict that goes on within Islam between the Shia and the Sunni organizations.
		And at this point, we're kind of caught in the middle.
		We're ending up more or less supporting Shia organizations against terrorists like ISIS in Syria and in Iraq at this point, which is, you know, not exactly where anyone would have thought we have been 10 years ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
		Syria is the biggest mess of all, of course.
		You've got the president of Syria still sort of barely there, Assad, and then you've got the rebels trying to take him out, and the Russians trying to take out the rebels.
		Then you've got ISIS, and we're bombing ISIS and upset that the Russians are trying to help us to death by hitting the wrong people.
		I mean, you've got American and Russian airplanes, jets in the air, and now boots on the ground.
		That seems like a mixture for World War III to me.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		It is very much that politics make strange bedfellows, sort of thing.
		Again, the fact of the matter is that al-Qaeda and ISIS are both Sunni organizations.
		And on the other hand, the people who, over the past three decades, have treated the Americans worse have been the Shia, starting with Iran, of course.
		And now we're basically defending the Shia populations.
		And we've installed a Shia government, basically, in Iraq.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't always trust news that I read, Rick, and I'm sure you don't either.
		The plane that was taken down, that was sort of blamed on ISIS.
		In fact, they took credit for it.
		And I still, they're not absolutely sure that it was ISIS or even that it was a bomb.
		And here in the West, we seem to want to pin it on them really hard, probably hoping to get the Russians to retarget in Syria.
		What do you think?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Certainly the Russians have some reason to suspect that this is probably ISIS striking at them because they clearly have struck at ISIS in Syria.
		So and again, there's good reasons for this.
		In the geopolitics of things, Russia would very much like to have those Iranian oil fields.
		And Iran, of course, is backing Syria.
		And as a consequence, Russia is backing Syria and striking out against ISIS.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Now, let's just move on and back to Paris.
		Frankly, I'm going to move us to New York now or any other U.S. city.
		And, yeah, we're on our toes this morning wondering if this is about to happen in an American city.
		If it doesn't happen now, how long will it be till something this awful occurs here, do you think?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		There's just no telling.
		There's no answer to that, Art.
		The fact of the matter is that we all believe that there are sleeper cells here in the United States.
		Their access to weapons, their access to explosives here is probably pretty much unlimited.
		So in terms of having the logistics to do this, having personnel on the ground that are trained to do this, I think there's no question that those cells exist in the United States.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		it seems to me that the ideology central to ISIS right now is to initiate basically Armageddon.
		Is that far off?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that's uh too far off.
		I mean that obviously the the goal of the extremists is to uh Islamophile the entire world.
		And uh that that's where they would like to go starting with establishing the cliff fate in the Middle East and Europe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So either convert or kill.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Exactly, precisely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So if you know that you've got a group like that that's going to say to you, convert or kill, well, we're not going to convert.
		And so if kill is the only thing that's going to happen, and it sure looks like it's the only thing they did in Paris tonight, so what about the idea of just absolutely eliminating them from the face of the earth, more or less?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, that certainly is perhaps a speculative dream, but I don't think that that would ever be possible.
		This is a system of beliefs, and it has recruited, successfully recruited, thousands of young people who perhaps had no other future in store for themselves.
		And they see themselves as brave, heroic warriors.
		And it gives meaning to them.
		And this is the sort of thing that terrorism does.
		It provides a reason for being for a lot of young and energetic people.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I get that.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and unfortunately, this is the sort of thing that you just can't stop.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Certainly not by wiping them off the face of the earth because they'll go into hiding and they'll re-emerge somewhere else.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if their sole drive in life is to kill and or bring upon Armageddon, I think we ought to deliver it to them as best we can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I don't know what other path would you see us follow?
unidentified		Well, I think it has to be a two-pronged sort of thing.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		I think you're absolutely right that we have to go to complete war.
		But this is, again, this is a terror organization that is amorphous.
		Trying to identify and recognize specific individuals that may be movers and shakers in this organization gets to be pretty difficult when you get outside of their own publication networks.
		And so you don't know who's out there that may be fomenting this sort of thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, we have a lot of drone strikes.
		We take out highly placed individuals within ISIS, let's say.
		It doesn't matter.
		They just, it's like the head of a snake getting replaced.
		And so this is going to be, before it's over, it's going to be an all-out war of some sort, Rick.
		I guess with France on our side now, huh?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think France has always been on our side.
		Unfortunately, France has always been a very open society.
		Going back to the 1970s, you may recall that organizations like PLO were committing assassinations in France.
		It's a very diverse and ethnically diverse society there in France.
		And as a result, there's lots of opportunity for that sort of, again, international geopolitical combat to be carried out there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, but isn't this ISIS now, wouldn't it be fair to compare it to a virus?
		Let's say it's a deadly virus, and the spread has begun much the way Ebola did in Africa.
		Now, Ebola we dealt with, and I think we have to deal with them in much the same way, or in much the same way as Ebola spread.
		So will this.
		And it's only a question of what American city is coming next.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Certainly it is something that's contagious.
		There's no question about that.
		And obviously they've recruited the lone wolf terrorists.
		They've inspired young people to do things.
		But on the other hand, America, the United States specifically, cannot confront this alone.
		This has to be confronted everywhere that it exists, which means all of Europe.
		And of course, with the refugee outflow from Syria and Iraq at this point, has just been an opportunity for organizations like ISIS to infiltrate more and more believers and establish more and more sleeper cells in Europe.
		So we really need to make sure that Germany, France, Belgium, et cetera, et cetera, get on board here and cooperate with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think, you can get a shot at this if you want to, has changed in American culture that allows for the successful recruitment of these young people, even here in America, who go there and then come back here and they're part of a cell or whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What has changed in our culture?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Specifically, what has changed is our methods of communication.
		The director of the FBI testified this summer about the fact of the matter that things like Twitter allow these organizations to be literally in the pocket of people who may be recruited.
		That didn't exist 10 years ago.
		These days, you started visiting various websites, you communicate with people on Twitter, and suddenly in your pocket there's constant reminders that, gee, you may be a bus Driver in New Jersey, but you could be a jihadi, you could be a freedom fighter for the great Islamification of the world.
		And that's the sort of thing that I think has really influenced a lot of young people and not only recruited them to take terrorist actions, but recruited them to do other things to support organizations, including raising money and sending money on to the organizations.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So basically, your answer is social media.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's a pretty good area to explore.
		Social media.
		So should we go to the Twitters of the world?
		There are now many of them like that, I suppose.
		And then there's even the darknet.
		I have no idea how we control that.
		That's probably where they're communicating.
		But I mean, should we go to these that the Twitters allow real distribution to the masses?
		And so should they responsibly stop this?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Now we're getting into the area that Mr. Edward Snowden obviously took umbrage to, and that is, you know, at what point does the government intrude into these sorts of communications?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At the moment, perhaps that national security is threatened.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, at that point, it may be too late.
		For example, if, for example, we did not have the infrastructure in the National Security Agency to do the things that were going on when Edward Snowden outed the agency, after the fact, you can't go back and recapture those messages if they haven't been archived in some way.
		So, you know, that's the other side of the coin.
		On the one hand, we all want to say, well, we're sure that the government isn't somehow surveilling us 24-7.
		And on the other hand, something like this happens in France.
		And, you know, France is a country the size of Texas, roughly.
		And the communications in and out of there, and I would suspect that, much like Mumbai, that the actors, the terrorists that have been carrying out these actions in France, have been in communication with some sort of leadership or with one another.
		And that sort of thing, if we haven't been capturing it as it goes along in terms of that communication, then we're not going to be able to figure out exactly who these people are.
		I mean, they throw away their, you know, when they're done, they throw away their weapons, they throw away their explosives, they change clothes, and they're just somebody else walking around somewhere in France.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		With a lot of gunpowder residue on them, at least.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, if they change clothes, they're not going to have that problem either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it gets on your hands and stuff.
		Yeah, I know.
		So if you had the power, I'm just curious, and it'll tell me kind of where you are about this.
		But Rick, if you had the power to order what would happen with respect to the West versus the problems in Syria and Iraq right now, what would you do?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's two things.
		I would take two different prongs to this.
		Number one, I think that we need to sit down with someone like Assad or Assad himself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		And yes, oh, I think so.
		I think we need to sit down with Assad and with his backers, which of course would be the Iranian government, and say, look, we cannot let this continue to spread.
		We cannot let this continue to go on.
		Assad, of course, is at this point believed to have used chemical weapons.
		I mean, this is a violation of international accords.
		But we do need to go to him and say, this has to stop.
		And then the other thing we need to do is, again, have a coalition that goes to these various organizations.
		And if they are unwilling to speak with us and have some sort of armistice, then we just have to go completely to war with them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We sent over, I believe, 50 special forces guys here recently.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Was that just the beginning of what's really to come?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think so.
		You know, if we want to resolve this problem, again, it has to be a coalition of various governments that have an interest in this, including the Russians.
		And we have to send more than just advisors and trainers.
		The bottom line is we have to engage in war with those that are not willing to cooperate.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is this going to begin to occur before the next president is in place?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't have a lot of confidence that this administration has the temerity to engage in a new war.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		So I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Temerity is a kind word.
		I would agree with you.
		You know, past administrations, God knows, made their own mistakes getting us into Iraq in the first place.
		So as you pointed out, Assad has used chemical weapons.
		He stepped right on over the line that the president drew and stuck his tongue out at us.
		On the other hand, we went into Iraq because of chemical weapons, and there weren't any.
		And so then we deconstructed a country.
		We didn't build a nation.
		We sort of deconstructed one and then walked away totally.
unidentified		All troops out.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Not the first time we did that.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		We did the same thing in Afghanistan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, oh yes, we're famous for it.
		And the question is, do we ever learn our lesson?
		Now, this president isn't doing much of anything about all this.
		If a Republican gets in, in all likelihood, something really big is going to happen, and I guess it needs to, huh?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't think this is going to go away.
unidentified		Let's put it that way.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		Again, these are ideals.
		The world, unfortunately, the world economy does not offer a lot of hope for young people, particularly from the Middle East and some of these other countries, or Middle Eastern people living in Europe for that matter.
		And so the recruitment ability of organizations like ISIS or Al-Qaeda or you name it, I mean, it doesn't really matter.
		The whole point is that those young people are frustrated, they're angry, and they're easily motivated to do terrible things in the belief that they're somehow participating in something romantic, something that's a grand cause, and something heroic.
		And as long as that exists, that's not going to go away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, again, without respect to a discussion about Mr. Snowden, do you think that the Twitters of the world should be asked not to propagate this stuff?
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		I don't know how you do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You ask.
		Well, you ask.
		If you're the President of the United States, I guess you just ask.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		But you'd have to have an NSA-like agency with vast computer resources to monitor the Twitter accounts of virtually everyone.
		And every terrorist organization, every one of them, uses some sort of tradecraft.
		They don't say, hey, on September 11th, we're going to run planes into the World Trade Center in New York City.
		Of course, it's all in code.
		And it's all encrypted in some sort of coded language that's innocuous.
		And so, you know, how do you do that?
		The bottom line is that you can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think Twitter could, for example, if they wanted to.
		Twitter could.
		They could actually stop messages from that part of the world if they wished to, I suppose.
		Or maybe I don't properly understand the nature of the Internet.
		Maybe they couldn't.
		But that is where, as you pointed out, a lot of the recruiting for this kind of thing is going on.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		And it's going on right now in Minnesota also.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the bottom line is that, again, because they'll use code words, how do you recognize what is or isn't potentially dangerous communication?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't.
		And as I pointed out, they could use, if you're talking about the terrorists, they could use the dark net to communicate their wishes and commands.
		But I was just addressing what you pointed out, which was the ISIS public relations campaign that seems to be effective in luring our young people to go do stupid things.
		We're running out of time, Rick, but I'm going to have you on again.
		It's been really, really good having you on.
		So I hope you will come back and do another program.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		I'd be happy to, Art.
richard s hahn ▲ ● ▼		My pleasure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		It was a pleasure.
		Thank you very much.
		Subject Paris and the attacks there.
		I'm Art Bell.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		On September 12th of 2001, that'd be the day after the fall of the Twin Towers, WABCAM in New York City recruited John Batchelor to go on the air until Osama bin Laden was either killed or captured.
		John's been on ever since and remains on.
		Offering insightful commentary on the war on terrorism, politics, the presidency, national, and global economics.
		And defending our civilization.
		That's one you'd underline for tonight, right?
		His personal interest in American history and wars from revolutionary through today's long war has generated remarkable coverage of jihadism as it enters our Western vocabulary and at high speeds, our chests and our heads as well.
		Hello, John.
		It's wonderful to have you back.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, Art.
		It's a grim evening, but we're in a war and things go wrong.
		And today was a very bad day for the good guys.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I opened up with, you know, the main facts as we know them in Paris and a gentleman who is in this business from the U.S. government originally, and we had a talk about it.
		You're in New York.
		So what I'd love from you is how is New York this morning?
		Do you know?
		I mean, are they on edge?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, Art.
		The whole story has drifted away from New York City these last years.
		We're the number one target.
		We were in 1993, certainly 2001, the two strikes on the towers.
		And we remain the number one target, not for one of trying these last 15 years I've been broadcasting.
		So I do believe that the enemy, and there are a number of groups, there's an alphabet soup of witchcraft out there, the enemy has a very small playbook, and it repeats and repeats and repeats.
		And New York City is page one, paragraph one, sentence one of to be destroyed.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course, Paris was probably an easier reach considering the refugees flooding out of Syria and Iraq.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I hope that's true.
		I hope that's true.
		We can't be certain.
		This was a complex attack.
unidentified		It was.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And yes, and they hit a soft target, but it was a target that was in the middle.
		It's downtown Paris.
		It's the young people of Paris.
		And they hit it without French intelligence knowing or anticipating or being prepared.
		We have very incomplete facts at this point, but the Desm Bureau, the French intelligence network, is first-rate.
		We learn from them.
		They have skills we don't have.
		And that's what, to go back to your New York question, New York is a lot worse off now than it was 24 hours ago, knowing that the enemy just cracked a better and more sophisticated fortress than this one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're saying security is better in Paris than it is in New York.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		They have the skills.
		They have North Africa.
		The Arabic language is integrated into French life.
		The North Africans have been fighting for the French Empire for hundreds of years.
		Their families are intermarried.
		Their literary skills are entangled.
		The French language and the Arabic language flow back and forth, have for, well, we can reach back to Rome in the commerce of the Mediterranean.
		We're a new bunch to this of maintaining the watchtowers.
		I don't want to get paranoid here.
		I just want to emphasize that Paris is very, very good.
		And what I heard in the course of the evening, because the attack, first word of it was about 4.50 p.m.
		East Coast time, what I heard in the course of the evening from people I respect a lot, I've worked with for a lot of years, is that the French intelligence was asking this side of the Atlantic for anything we'd heard because they didn't have identities, they didn't have patterns, they didn't have safe houses, they didn't have it, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I keep noticing that they say, after they talk about Paris, they say, but U.S. sources say they're not hearing any chatter about the U.S. And I thought, well, yeah, but the French didn't hear any chatter about Paris either.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So what does that mean?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		It means that the enemy is very good, and it's necessary to respect the adversary.
		This was a murder raid launched by young men who aimed to die.
		That was their intention.
		Self-destruction and spectacular self-destruction in order to disrupt modernity.
		And they did it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As I mentioned to my last guest, John, it seems like the center of their ideology is to initiate Armageddon.
		That's what they want.
		They want Armageddon.
		And I have come to the view that we should deliver it to them as best we can.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I agree with that.
		I agree reluctantly with that.
		However, the political class in this country is not there, Art, if it was ever there.
unidentified		I know.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And the political class in the European Union is not there, if it ever was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it may be nudged a bit tonight.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Angle America is the leader of Europe's banks and the leader of Europe's future.
		And Anglo Americal, her government, has ruled that they will accept one million refugees fleeing Mesopotamia.
		That in itself has disrupted their ability to govern.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you imagine?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		These are going to be nasty.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that million refugees that they're willing to accept, I wonder how many will be jihadists.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Someone said to me, and I can't remember exactly where it was, that it isn't the jihadist in hand.
		It's the one in the future.
		It's the teenager alienated by a difficult culture with incomplete language and his mom and dad alienated because they can't work, who's at the mosque and in the year 2022 or 2028 is recruited for a single mission.
		That's the worry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well said.
		And we talked about that last half hour as well.
		And I asked my guest, and I'll ask you, they're doing a lot of recruiting on Twitter.
		And I wonder if we shouldn't politely ask Twitter and some other social media to stop propagating the damn stuff.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I mean, we can ask, but who are we?
		I mean, you and I, we observe politics.
		We don't plunge into partisanship.
		I know this art.
		We watch.
		I mean, everybody comes from somewhere, but you can watch without picking an end.
		And our political class is no longer speaking the language that would be required to follow through on what you just suggested.
		They're not their art.
		We have an administration now that is seeking every remedy to empty Guantanamo.
		Every remedy.
		Because it believes that by making that gesture, the enemy will respect us or will like us or will learn to work with us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		No, that's not going to work.
		I made reference, and I will again, to Ebola.
		You remember Ebola in Africa recently?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		It hasn't gone away.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, well, we did go over there and pretty much get control of it.
		But ISIS is kind of like Ebola in a sense.
		I mean, it spreads in much the same way.
		It gets in one area and multiplies like rabbits.
		And if we don't do something to stop it, if we don't muster up the political cojones to go after them, then it's going to be like Ebola in a big city runaway.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to use should.
		I don't want to do that, Art.
		I've watched this for 15 years now.
		I think we're beaten until and if it gets much worse, until it gets much worse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Much worse.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		We're trying to pick a bottom, and you know you can't do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you can't.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		You know it when you're there, but you can't pick it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm hesitant to use the word beaten.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we're lazy.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		We're in a contest, a recognizable contest with the great powers right now.
		We're fighting on several spheres.
		We're contesting in the South China Sea against Beijing.
		We're contesting in the Black Sea basin and the Mediterranean basin against Russia.
		And Russia is moving very effectively to coax, to invite the great powers of Europe into the Russian camp, as Beijing is moving effectively to intimidate the powers of Asia into its camp.
		So we have that contest.
		And then we have this other contest out of Mesopotamia.
		They're not savages.
		They're warrior class.
		They're a primitive warrior class we come from.
		We started there 3,000, 2,000 years ago.
		And they're making war on civilization.
		And I don't, at this time, measure that we have the authority, the money, the power, or the unanimity to go into Mesopotamia.
		And here's what has to happen.
		Not has to happen.
		Here's what would work.
		What would work is what we did and what the Russians did between 1942 and 1945.
		Massacre.
		That's what works.
		And we're not ready to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well.
		I wonder how much further down this road we have to go before we are ready.
		I saw something on the internet earlier that I thought was appropriate.
		It said, some cancers have to be treated with radiation.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to use the metaphor of malady.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I do not think the enemy is ill.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, no.
unidentified		I wasn't suggesting.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		The enemy is sophisticated.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		The enemy is...
unidentified		John, John.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I was suggesting treatment with radiation, not medical radiation.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		I hesitate.
		I'm taking this attack on Paris as a major landmark.
		This is as big a success as the attack on New York in 2001.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I don't know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's not 9-11.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		It's not a raid into Paris's confidence in itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's Mumbai, for sure, plus.
		And it's worrisome, and it's scary.
		And, God, we have to start doing something, John.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		We have to start doing something.
		Look at the political class, Arch.
		I know.
		I've watched four Republican debates and one sort of Democratic debate.
		It doesn't come up.
		It didn't come up.
		It's not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's examine, just for grins, what's going on in Syria right now.
		I love doing this because it is such a mix of near-end-of-the-world stuff.
		You've got Assad, right?
		Then you've got the rebels trying to take out Assad.
		You've got Syria operating in another big hunk of the country.
		I mean, ISIS operating in another part of Syria.
		We're going after them.
		So we've got planes in the air bombing.
		The Russians have planes in the air bombing.
		They're mostly going after the rebels instead of ISIS.
		Maybe after the downing of their planes, some other stuff, they'll join us.
		Who knows?
		You've got Russians and America at wingtip to wingtip.
		And I see it as, you know, the beginning of the end of it all.
		It could be.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		We've entertained, in the course of conversations, and you know I do this every night, so there's a lot of time to get to these things.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		We entertain that we're looking at a surrogate battlefield, a proto-Great War.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proxy.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And we think of 1936 Spain and how the powers interfered, intervened, manipulated the outcome in Spain training their own weapons to contest with each other.
		It's not a complete fit, but it's not bad to describe what Russia and its ally, China and its ally Iran, are doing in the Syrian and Iraqi and Yemeni battlefields.
		And it's not bad to argue the way we're manipulating and intervening with our surrogates in the same battlefield.
		And NATO and its contest with Russia in Eastern Europe is part of this mix.
		So that's why it's not a perfect fit for Spain.
		But we do see now the symmetrical warfare units that we associate with the great powers practicing and practicing their ability to project power in a battlefield that contains this warrior class that just raided Paris.
		There is no easy example because it's like we're fighting in time and space and the enemy, some of the enemy is fighting in the 21st century and some of the enemy is fighting in the 10th century.
		And that means that I do not see a remedy for this.
		Well, I do, actually.
		There is one larger remedy, which is to recognize that we're outside of it.
		To accept the fact that Russia is the center of the world island, of Eurasia, and that Russia and Europe can defend themselves, will defend themselves, and that our interference, our intervention is not welcome, and that we remain outside and they'll call upon us.
		We're a sea power, not a land power in the world island.
		And remaining outside, that gives us some time to prepare.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're somewhat, for the moment, isolationist?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		Because isolationism is it's their problem, not ours.
		It's our problem.
		We're just not effective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're not ready.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're not ready.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I'm measuring how we've performed these last, let's date it from the fall of the Soviet state in 89.
		We're not effective.
		We're fighting half-heartedly, or we're coming up with limited goals, and then we fail.
		And we think capitals and governments are important.
		They're not.
		This is a battle for modernity versus savagery, but at the same time, the capitals themselves, Russia, Moscow, and Berlin, are cognizant of the fact that it's their land.
		It's their world island.
		I don't have an easy metaphor for this.
		I work on it all the time.
		And I'm describing something that we're not good at or haven't been.
		We're the savior nation, and nobody's asking us to save them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, maybe that's because they know we don't know how.
		I mean, we have the power, obviously, perhaps not the will to use it, though.
		And so what kind of power is that?
		Right now, politically, I think that we're in really big trouble.
		We have a president who's not acting like a president right now.
		And I hate to say that because I was a supporter of his, but in terms of foreign policy, he has been a disaster.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		He had a vision, and it was based on premises that didn't work out.
		I'm being diplomatic.
		And the next president, the 45th president, will come to office with premises that work out or don't.
		I want to be positive here.
		I'm being too dire.
		I want to be positive.
		There is a way to talk about this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's try this.
		Let's try this.
		Give me the name of anybody on either side of the aisle who might be president, who would be best fitted to handle this situation for us.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Heroes rise.
		Heroes rise from catastrophe.
		And my thinking is we haven't met that catastrophe.
		It's not there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you running for office?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Give me a name of somebody running currently or not running who is fit or the right person in your view to handle this.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		There's no one contesting for the presidency right now.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		No one that I admire, that I have confidence in for this contest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nobody.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		These are actors.
		These are actors in a stage drama ongoing.
		The state takes care of itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, can you stick around a few more minutes, please?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This isn't a conversation.
		You can just end like that.
		So stand by.
		John Batchelor is my guest right now.
		He's got a lot to say about this, and you should have a lot to say about this, too, and you will have your opportunity.
		This is Midnight in the Desert.
		Tough night.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		My guest at the moment is John Batchelor.
		I was on John's show.
		That interview, by the way, is generally available on the web.
		I think you can find it quite easily.
		It was a lot of fun.
		And we're talking about what happened today in Paris, which was not a lot of fun.
		And again, John, I'm going to make a my analogy is, I guess, best made with medicine, and that would be Ebola.
		I mean, where Ebola begins, it spreads rapidly.
		It's almost impossible to stop.
		But every now and then, somebody gets on an airplane and spreads it to some other country.
		And if we had not gone in there and cleaned it up, it would still be spreading.
		And it just seems like that.
		It seems like ISIS is an organism, a virus that needs to be dealt with very quickly.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		It's an idea.
		And the idea is to conquer the earth, to make it a global caliphate, either submit or die.
		That's the idea.
unidentified		Absolutely.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		It's a very simple idea, and it's attractive to alienated young men, tending to be between the ages of 18 and 38, somewhere in there, alienated by their broken cultures, by their failed states.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Alienated because they've been dislocated into Europe or North Africa or some other part of the world.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Alienated and who find the power of a gun and the power of the band of brothers to kill the Crusaders, to kill the Christians, to kill anything that isn't like us, that doesn't obey us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, absolutely.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And that makes them a murder cult.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And we've dealt with murder cults before over the last several hundred years.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not converting, and I'm sure you're not, so it's time for them to die.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And Art, here we are, two gentlemen of the 21st century, in agreement.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And I observe that is not the conversation in the United States of America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're right.
		Not in the political circles where it needs to be for something to actually get done.
		I suppose an American City is going to have to be hit in the same way Paris was just hit or worse.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I'll tell you a story, Art.
		I was a very young man and I wrote novels.
		You know this.
		I was a literary writer.
		And I wrote my second novel entitled The Birth of the People's Republic of Antarctica.
		And in it, I wrote it between 81 and 82.
		I published it in 83.
		In it, my characters, for reasons to do with the plot, was about alienation and refugees and being driven out of your land and not being able to get back in.
		And it was projected between the year 1972 and 2035.
		In it, my characters come across the Falkland Islands, and there's a war, and it's been invaded, and there's a battle, and my characters are caught up with it and escape because they see the whole place is burning, and it's been overrun by savagery.
		I wrote that before the Falklands War.
		And NPR had me on to ask me how I did that, and I didn't have an answer.
		I didn't have an answer.
		I published the book the next year.
		It got a lot of attention.
		And I never had the answer.
		But a science fiction friend of mine, who's gone now, his name was Tom Dish.
		He was very popular once upon a time in the 20th century.
		He came to me and he said, John, how'd you do this?
		And I said, I don't know.
		And I had a literal story to tell that I looked it up and I read it a little bit and I saw the map and it was just, it was a plus device.
		And he said, do me a favor.
		All right.
		He said, whatever you've got, never write about an atomic war.
		And I never did, Art.
		And I've, over all these years, and it's, what, 30 years later now, I've obeyed that taboo.
		I don't like to speculate about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The problem is that that is exactly what ISIS wants to initiate.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I can agree with you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's exactly what they want.
		And we cannot let that happen.
		I'm not sure what political conies we've got to work up to get the right group of countries together to get this done, but it's got to get done.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		It's 70 years since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I just did a story with Charlie Pellegrino, a very detailed story of what those bombs meant, August 6th, August 9th, 45, to the people on the ground, to the survivors, to the single and double survivors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		That horror, that horror is not in our culture.
		We don't teach it art.
		The children don't know what it means when you talk about the ant walkers, the people who had their upper, they're no longer able to reason.
		They're just mechanically moving across the landscape until they drop from dehydration.
		They don't know what it means to talk about alligator people who've been burned so badly they're dying as they move.
		It's gone.
		We don't know about it.
		And that's necessary to recover the horror in order to stop it from happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's exactly why I did a show recently on global thermonuclear warfare.
		And it was a horror to listen to.
		But I really felt that the young people needed to know what was on the line here.
		You can't make intelligent decisions without information.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Our Pentagon now, I did a report last week with Josh Rogan of Bloomberg Views, who's a young correspondent, great sources, works in intelligence.
		There was a conference recently in Washington attended by Secretary Carter and some very big brains.
		It's a DOD.
		They have a concept that is in the think tank part of the DOD.
		It's called third offset, third offset.
		The first two offsets were in the 20th century, and they describe how America's technology upped the game, so we overwhelmed our adversaries.
		They're now talking about the third offset because they're anticipating that the Chinese and the Russians have caught us, and they have aerial denial weapons and ability to fight in airland sea and low Earth orbit.
		So we need a leap.
		And they can't describe what it is.
		It's some leap into the future.
		I think that that is probably what the Pentagon is also thinking about in combating the jihadist, a third offset, some magical way of defeating the enemy, knowing they're coming for us.
		I don't believe it.
		I think it's a sales device in Washington right now.
		You cannot beat an idea that means to destroy itself and you with it.
		You can't beat that.
		You have to kill it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there we absolutely agree.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anything willing to give its life to take another's is going to nearly always succeed.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		And therefore, there's this, and this is not acceptable in conversation in the U.S. We need allies, allies who live there.
		And the first ally, the important ally, is Moscow.
		We need it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm not above, John, believing that we are manipulating some news toward Moscow about that plane, for example, and perhaps now about what's going on in Paris that will move the Russians in the direction we wish them to move.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because right now, they're just mainly bombing the rebels, not ISIS.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		We need to work with them somehow.
		This president has decided that that's not acceptable.
		We need to work with them.
		I don't know when it will happen.
		I don't know what will drive us together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that's why I asked you if you saw anybody on the horizon who could do that.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I look all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then, that's pretty tragic because this is going to wait another eight years.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Heroes come out of crises.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Ernest King, commander of the Pacific Fleet, 1941 to 1945.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They do tend to, I know.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		He was ready to retire.
		They were going to throw him overboard.
		And then Pearl Harbor.
		And FDR said, you're staying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, no, you're right.
		It tends to be true That heroes come along with just the right stuff at the right time for America.
		I hope that luck holds.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		It's the great genius of America.
		We're prepared to go in all directions.
		We have a deep bench and a rich tool set to call upon depending on the crisis, and I can't predict it.
		So it's mostly hope that we'll find an Ernest King or a George Marshall or a Dwight Eisenhower when we need them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you're an optimist, and I'm going to try to be with you, and I am going to certainly thank you for being on the air.
		I know it's very late back here.
		It must be, what, little after one in the morning?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I work bad news, Art.
		You know, this is early.
		I work bad news.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, don't we all?
		Well, I'm going to proceed.
		I've got open lines to do, John, but it was such a pleasure having you on.
		And we'll do it again.
		Let's see how this story proceeds.
		Who knows?
		Maybe back on Monday.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, Art.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you, my friend.
		Good night.
		All right, we're going to take a break now, and then I am going to do as promised and open the lines.
		That's John Batchelor, very wise man.
		It'd be interesting to see what you thought of what he said, and for that matter, what our other expert recon said.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		This is Midnight in the Desert.
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art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, obviously, the news of the night is what has occurred in Paris.
		It's terrorism.
		You've heard two views tonight.
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fax in radio land ▲ ● ▼		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess like everybody else, I'm very thoughtful about what's going on in Europe right now and when it's coming here and what we're going to do.
fax in radio land ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it's time that we call on the great-grandsons of our greatest generation to get their heads straight, stop looking at their iPhones, look around, see what's happening in this world, and come together for America, stand up for America.
fax in radio land ▲ ● ▼		Let's put this country back on its feet and get that Muslim out of the White House.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He's not a Muslim.
fax in radio land ▲ ● ▼		I believe he is not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know he's not a Muslim.
		No, you know he's not.
		See, that's where you walk right over the line.
		He's not a Muslim.
		He's just not effective.
fax in radio land ▲ ● ▼		He can't even prove who he is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, sure he can.
		He's got a birth certificate and he showed it to everybody.
		That's the problem.
		Why do people go over the line?
		You know, I voted for this president the first time around.
		And I am very, very disappointed in his apparent way to phrase his lack of interest in foreign policy as it affects our national security.
		But no, I don't think he's a Muslim.
		I think he's ineffective.
		That's perhaps more of an insult.
		I mean, that's kind of like saying if you're a talk show host, well, you're boring.
		There isn't any Greater insult than boring.
		You can be a lot of things, but you can't be boring.
		What a night, huh?
		Let's go here.
		Hello in New Jersey.
		You are on the air.
unidentified		Hey, you are Ed from New Jersey.
unidentified		How are you this evening, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little perplexed, but I'm okay.
unidentified		Yeah, today the same year.
		You know, prayers go out to the people of Paris tonight.
		And my quick thought on it was, you know, unfortunately, I don't think this is going to be a one-time deal.
		I think we might see a few more of these, whether it be here or in other European cities.
		And I just see history replaying itself here.
		I see them dragging us, Europe and Russia into a war being allies again.
		And then, you know, I don't think it's going to be as long as the last war where we were all allies.
		However, it'll start a new Cold War between us and Russia again.
		And, you know, I just see history repeating it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, look, if it starts a Cold War between us and Russia, then we're not obviously going to be allies to extinguish this problem.
unidentified		No, I meant after the war after we extinguish this problem, we'll end up getting into another Cold War as we did in World War II.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, if this prevents, actually, a big escalation in the Cold War and we have to actually get together to fight a common enemy, you actually could be right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It might at least forestall what's going to inevitably come.
unidentified		It could.
		And I read a report this morning where ISIS threatened to take out the Kremlin.
		And I was listening to the news on the radio as I was driving.
		I'm saying to myself, they're messing with the wrong guy.
		We might not agree with Putin's politics, but they go and try anything funny over there.
		They're done.
		They're absolutely done.
		He's not going to think twice.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I very, very much appreciate your call, and it's going to be interesting to see how it's done.
		I do agree with both of my guests tonight that we don't have the political construct right now to deal with this, and we're not going to.
		It's not going to be this president that deals with it.
		He's just not going to do it.
		Having said that, it was probably a painful thing for me to ask either one of these fellows who they saw on the horizon on either side of the aisle who could come along and effectively deal with this.
		Nobody came up with a name.
		That in itself is a little concerning.
		John on Skype, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, good evening, Art.
unidentified		Nobody could ever accuse you of being boring, that's for sure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I trend, yeah, I'm not boring, I guess.
unidentified		The one thing when I was listening to your guest talk is that nobody seems to talk about any hope for intelligence, where we can all kind of move the world along to get rid of this religion stuff.
		I just don't understand how...
		I know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, it's everywhere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not going to get rid of religion.
unidentified		I know.
		I listen to these Republicans talking about, you know, they always emphasize that, oh, they're killing Christians.
		Well, you know, that's just throwing fuel on the fire, too.
		I worry more about our guys sometimes, you know.
		But my only hope is that someday maybe the world will wake up and start thinking about what we can do as a race of humans, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we better wake up before this thing.
		And by the way, you've got hum in your audio.
		You might want to look at that.
		We're going to have to do something before this infection.
		And that really is how I think of it as a virus, an infection.
		And if we don't stop it, if we don't stamp it out, as we finally decided we had to do with what was happening in Africa, or it would have come to get us.
		It was actively trying, right?
		It was getting on airplanes, just like people flying to Turkey and then making their way to Syria.
		A lot of people think I don't pay attention to politics, but I do.
		I am glued to it.
		Even though I don't discuss it all the time, I'm fully capable of doing so.
		It's just that in general, I find politics boring.
		When something like this happens, there's no way to avoid a little bit of discussion about politics because it drives national policy.
		And in this case, national policy damn well better get driven by a competent driver pretty soon or we're in big trouble.
		It's like a virus, I'm telling you.
		They have only one goal, and that is to kill us.
		I think they have long since decided they're not going to convert us.
		So killing us is their only other option.
		And if that's the name of the game, then I say kill them first.
		Right?
		Let's go to the first-time caller line and say you're on the air.
		You're on the air.
		Going once, going twice, gone.
		You get one shot at that.
		Let's instead go to Skype and say, yo, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Art.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead.
unidentified		Good evening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening.
		He's gone.
		I have a feeling he pushed the wrong button.
		You know, I know you can get excited and do that.
		Instead, we'll pick on Crypto Lord here.
		Hello.
unidentified		Art, how are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing real well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Yeah, I was listening to you earlier, and I was thinking, you think maybe the Navy should possibly test-fire a third Trident missile and say, oops, that one's got a live warhead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gee, look where it's going, huh?
unidentified		You Maybe treat the cancer with some radiation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I know.
		You know, really, I say that, but I know that's not going to happen.
		And you know that's not really going to happen.
unidentified		No, it would be too devastating.
		And plus, you know, the radiation is just going to disperse, and you don't know who else the radiation is going to hit.
		So it would be pretty bad if that happened.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess the only way this is going to get done, boots on the ground, lots of American young men going off to fight yet again another war.
		I hope that we can put together the kind of coalition it's going to take to really do this.
		And maybe the world's not quite ready for it.
		Paris was awful.
		I think that if a New York City was hard hit, and I don't mean just New York City, a city here in the U.S. was hit hard, that might be enough to do it.
		I don't know.
		What about you?
unidentified		You know, what I'm worried about is I'm not thinking that New York would be the target next time.
		I'm thinking possibly it might be Las Vegas just because of, you know, ISIS's beliefs and all that.
		And, you know, Las Vegas is gambling, sin, sex, you know, everything, you know, and I'm thinking that, I got to hope I'm wrong.
		But I keep thinking maybe Vegas might be the next place they might get.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then it's just a hop, skip, and a jump to Trump.
unidentified		Well, hopefully you and the family will be safe there.
unidentified		And Trump, I hope.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't want to have to be fighting off ISIS in Trump.
		Thank you very much.
		But you're right.
		Las Vegas is probably a relatively soft target.
		Although I'll bet you tonight that the Big Dam out there is being very, very heavily guarded.
unidentified		I would bet they are.
		Yep.
		I was going to ask you real quick.
		I sent you an email concerning Windows 10, and I don't know if you got it or not, because I sent it to the KNYE.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was the thing about the privacy issues, right?
		Yes.
		I got it.
		I got it, brother.
		And thank you.
		I'm considering it.
		Believe me, I'm considering it.
		But I don't know when I'm going to make this.
		I've got seven computers.
		And the Windows advertisement for Windows 10 keeps getting bigger and bigger.
		Should I do it or not?
		Most of my computers have DVD machines, by the way.
		I'm not convinced.
		I am of the old school that if it works, leave it alone.
		Now, I suppose eventually something might change my mind.
		But right now, I'm just not of a mind to say, okay, make the switch and then go to bed and hope, you know, for the best.
		It's just not in me.
		I can't bring myself to click it.
		So you all tell me, is it a wise move or is it wiser to, you know, wait a while?
		I think I'm voting and acting on the latter.
		Just not ready yet.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight in the Desert.
unidentified		Over night is my world.
		Did you like painted sun?
		In the day, nothing matters.
		Another cup of wine.
		Got a bunch from you, girl.
		But I don't need a cure.
		I can stay up and think if I can't be sure.
		To initiate a dialogue sequence with Art Bell, please coordinate your Valencia's and call 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952.
		Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Randy, on the Wormhole So Cruel, Randy said, you bite off ISIS from Trump?
unidentified		You can't even bite off a mouse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Randy.
		I wasn't trying to fight off that mouse anyway.
		I was intrigued by that mouse.
		Nor, if I could have caught it, would I have killed the mouse?
		The mouse had no ill intention that I'm aware of toward me.
		No, no, no, no, no.
		I would have...
		And if I could have caught him, I would have put him in a box and taken him outside and introduced him to the Great Wild, but he went all on his own.
		So there you have it.
		All our phone lines are full, but if you would like to try and get through, you're welcome in so many ways.
		Public number, 952-225-5278, Skype for North America, MITD51.
		The rest of the world, MITD55.
		And, of course, the first time caller line, if I can find that number, which is area code 775-285-5800, whether it's Paris you want to talk about or anything else.
		And I love Paris, by the way.
		I really love Paris.
		I've been there a number of times.
		In fact, it accounts for one of the times that I quit.
		Well, I didn't quit.
		I got fired.
		From KDWN in Las Vegas, what happened was the company that operated the Concorde.
		You remember that?
		We used to have supersonic flying.
		They contacted me and said, hey, Art, how would you and your wife like a free trip to Paris on the Concorde from Las Vegas?
		You don't get that every day.
		So I went to my boss, Claire, and I said, Claire, I'm going to Paris in the Concorde.
		I hope it'll be okay.
		She said, you're fired.
		I said, that's okay.
unidentified		I quit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I walked out and went to Paris, had a great time, came back, and immediately got rehired.
		So it all worked out.
		That was one of about five times I got fired there, actually.
		Stephen on Skype.
		Hello.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Extinguish your whatever, please.
unidentified		Hello, is it good now?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn it off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the way off.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Standing by.
unidentified		Good?
		Okay.
		Good.
		Hi.
		Hi.
		I want to say a couple things.
		Three things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Firstly, I'd like to let your guests tonight, your little mini guests, whatever you want to call them, was absolutely correct about a player basically emerging.
unidentified		Like an unknown player, I think, is absolutely going to emerge from basically once we really hit bottom, which we haven't hit, it's been with like quantitative easing and any other sort of inflations or rather whatever you want to call them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, I kind of like what you already came up with in the political spectrum.
		It's like quantitative easing.
		That's very good.
unidentified		Next.
		But about that, my dad's been saying that literally since about like 2008.
		Even though it's been bad, I mean, it just hasn't gotten so bad that it's like abysmal.
		Not to sound like an alarmist, but basically, honestly, like Weimar Germany, like before it fell, basically.
		I absolutely believe that not like a Hitler, but when we do hit bottom, we're going to have someone who would either be horrible or who will probably be either horrible for us or great for us, one way or the other.
		But it'll be something like that.
		And I honestly believe it'll change the country dramatically and for a very long time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do you think would happen, Stephen, if we began to get a lot of attacks like the Paris attack here in the U.S.?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or even worse, a dirty bomb?
unidentified		That actually kind of ties into the second thing I want to talk about, which was this Bulgarian psychic or whatever that my ex-girlfriend told me about, Abba Vanga.
unidentified		Have you ever heard of her?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
unidentified		Sorry.
		She was this blind woman.
		She predicted a bunch of things.
		Again, I only heard about this a couple of years ago, but it was way before ISIS, anything like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what does she predict?
unidentified		She predicted, she was a little off in her years, like in her timeframe, but something she's apparently been right about.
		She predicted that Europe would be attacked by the Muslims, or by rather Muslims, and they would attack it with chemical weapons, and Europe would be basically decimated.
		The United States would be mostly fine eventually and like over the course of like 80, like something like, I think in like 80 years after that course of events, a revolution would start basically in France.
		And that would pretty much start the end of the reign of the Muslims in Europe.
		So I think that was kind of interesting, especially since it was way before Syria or anything else like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you've got one more big thing?
unidentified		Yes.
		And how that ties into, by the way, the first thing I was talking about when you asked me what do you think would really happen, I think chemical attacks, serious chemical attacks and serious decimation of the European economy would absolutely affect our economy and would just destroy our way of life.
		So I do believe that that would be one of the things that would bring about a dramatic change in our way of life.
		Beyond that, the third thing I want to talk about was actually your first caller where he said he started to talk about current generation, stop looking at their iPhones.
		I mean, I'm from that generation.
		And honestly, in my opinion, the problem is mostly not our generation, but rather just in general.
		We aren't any worse than any previous or any preceding generation.
		Baby boomers, what have you, are no treat, have been no particular boon to the country.
		It's just that if you look at how horribly set up the country is just structurally, how many just structural disadvantages that we have for the future, be it population growth rates, whatever you want to call it, whatever you want to bring up.
		Honestly, we have so many things coming to a head at this point where there has to be a dramatic change or we're just totally kind of screwed.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, when the fertilizer hits the fan, we'll find out what this generation is made of.
		I wonder how they would react.
		It is kind of an interesting question in a lot of ways.
		Because, of course, when Vietnam was the issue, many declined to participate, went to Canada and did other things.
		So I don't think we're going to find out, really, the answer to that question until, as I mentioned, the fertilizer hits the fan.
		Going overseas to Sean.
		Hello.
unidentified		Yeah, yes, hello.
unidentified		Tell you the truth, I'm really scared.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you, Sean?
unidentified		Japan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Japan.
		Okay.
		Well, you're at the moment, I think, fairly safe with respect to geographically what's going on, the awful stuff.
unidentified		Well, yes, Japan is an isolated nation and pretty native in its outlook and taking in immigrants and whatnot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It sure is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		By the way, did you feel the seven-point earthquake that occurred off Okinawa earlier?
unidentified		Didn't even notice it.
		It might have been on the news, but didn't feel anything here.
		Nothing shook or anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		But no, the thing I just wanted to say was about 10 years ago, the United States military and its satellites had operations going all over the world to take care of terrorists, and there was a lot of stuff that just people didn't know about.
		SF was training in the Philippines and down in Africa and Middle East, of course.
		And from what I'm hearing from people still in the military today, the Obama administration has really cut back on that.
		I don't think there's political will to deal with ISIS the way that Bush did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then let me try the same question on you, if I Can that I did on my guests?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you could, as you look around the political landscape right now, is there anybody either running or thinking of running that you think could take care of the problem?
unidentified		Nobody on the Republican side really impresses me too much.
unidentified		Definitely nobody on the Democratic side, but if I had to pick one, it's probably Donald Trump.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, he's on the well, I don't know where he is, actually.
		Thank you.
		Donald actually is running as a Republican.
		He's probably not a Republican.
		He's somewhere in between, which I guess for some people would make him an attractive option.
		The problem is that since we're rarely do I talk politics, but I think that Trump is on the verge of falling apart.
		Now, I say that not because I want him to fall apart, but because I don't see him articulating any sort of national issues beyond the one that he has picked, you know, immigration and a couple of others.
		I think Trump would be effective in dealing with China.
		He knows China.
		He knows trade policies.
		Economically, he'd be not so bad.
		But unless he begins articulating rather quickly what issues really are important to Americans right now, then I think he will be cast aside.
		And that's just an opinion for whatever it's worth, and that's not much.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Is that me, Yark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That is you, sir.
unidentified		This is Jay in Oak Ridge, Tennessee, home of the Manhattan Project.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you have never called before?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		No, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		No, sir.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much.
unidentified		I'm so happy you're back on the air.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		We love you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		I've got one question I want to ask you.
unidentified		It's been puzzling me for some time now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		Why do you say every night covering all 25 time zones?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because that's how many there are.
unidentified		where did we gain the 25th time zone?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know, but there's an area where things are on the half hour.
		It's really crazy.
		You have to look.
		There actually are 25 time zones.
unidentified		Well, I'm going to have to check into that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Google can help you out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How many time zones?
john batchelor ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'll check there then.
		Thank you very much, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're very welcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
unidentified		care.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's Bill on Skype, you're on the air, hi.
unidentified		Hey, it's Bill the atheist.
unidentified		And you are my hopeful friend.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bill, you're still breaking up, buddy.
unidentified		Oh, am I breaking up?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's probably your religious point of view.
unidentified		I'm calling also about Windows 10.
		I'm in IT.
		And you say you have seven computers, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Put it on one and see what you think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there is that.
		I've considered doing that, but I don't know.
		I get the little square down there, and it says, do it now, do it now, do it now.
unidentified		And I just can't click it.
unidentified		My best advice is if you are concerned with want to click it, just double-check, go to your manufacturer's site, and make sure that they have the practice compatible.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Lucin, I'm going to ask that you do a little work, Bill, on your Skype.
		It could be actually your Internet provider, but you're cutting out.
		So you probably have a little bit of what's known as jitter in your upside Internet on that side.
		You might want to look into it, but it's kind of weird.
		When Skype is good, it's very, very good.
		And when it's bad, it's still actually tolerable most of the time unless you've got bad Internet.
		Let's go to Kennewick, Washington on the phone.
		Hello.
unidentified		Hello, Mr. Bell.
		Hi.
		Well, my question revolves around this tragedy that happened tonight.
		You had just mentioned Donald Trump.
		With his immigration plan, do you think that it will galvanize the American public between the terrorist attacks that happened to France and seeing people gravitate even more to Donald Trump?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that here's what I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that the terrorist attack on Paris is probably going to help, if anybody, Trump.
unidentified		Yeah, I mean, you know, it's, yeah, I don't agree with that.
		I mean, what we've seen in the eight years of Obama in the White House has just been like a shame.
		And anything we can do to get Obama, that'll be a great day for America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Everybody gets so mean in what they say.
		Thanks for the call.
		I cut out what's like calling the president about them, right?
		Or I won't go into what he said, but I'm not going to allow that.
		And it's not productive in the discussion of what to do anyway.
		Let's go to Dave on Skype.
		Hello, Dave.
unidentified		Hey.
		Hey.
		Oh, may I just say that it's absolutely a delight to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may.
unidentified		Mr. Valia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Thank you very much.
		Although I require you and your audience a bit of a patience with me because I don't.
		English is not my mother tongue.
		What is?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is your mother tongue?
unidentified		It's Russian, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Russian.
		Oh, Russian.
		Okay, excellent.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		Well, yeah, though I'm not from Russia per se, I'm from a country that's called Turkmenistan.
		I'm not sure.
		Many people can point the finger on the globe to point that country.
		But it's ex-USSR.
		Sort of a satellite republic.
		Sure.
		Now, it's an interesting topic today, and I was shocked to find out, as everybody else, what happened in France.
		But I just want to say that I was back in Moscow, I think it's about 2003, when they had a hostage situation in their Nord Ost, I believe it was called the musical, the show that they had, and there was about 700 hostages taken.
		Yeah.
		So as I was hearing, I was teaching at that moment when that happened today, actually, and I was thinking about that back in Moscow, and I was hoping that French government would contact the Russian government, so to speak, to kind of get those clues and those tactics that they were using back then and what they learned.
		Because from what I remember, the Russians, Svetsnas, that's the special tactical group, they were using this sort of a sleep gas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		You remember that, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, sure.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I want to say something here, and it is this.
		In the theater where most of the people died, I noticed that the French authorities waited way, way too long.
		There were actually messages being sent by hostages inside saying, for God's sakes, raid this place.
		They're killing us one by one, picking us off like birds.
		And still they waited.
		And I think that was wrong.
		When you encounter a group like ISIS, if that's who it was, or these jihadists, they have only one goal, and that is to kill as many people as they can.
		So once you know that, you don't wait because there's not going to be any bargaining.
		There's not going to be any back and forth.
		There's just going to be dead people.
unidentified		And that is surprising to me as well.
		Well, I didn't know the details.
		That's the first details I'm hearing from you.
		I've read some of it, but this is very surprising to me.
		And given the fact, if you remember, and I'm sure your audience remember, I think it was just past this year, Charlie Hepdo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was very close geographically, actually.
unidentified		Exactly.
unidentified		Well, was it in France, wasn't it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was in Paris.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was only a few blocks away, actually.
unidentified		And so what's striking me is that the measures that were not taken, given the fact that those armed radicals were with a weapon at the show, I believe the American band, Metal Band, was playing at that time.
		And they had those AK-47 inside of that club.
		That was just kind of really strange and inconsistent with the previous events that happened.
		Back in Russia, when that unfortunate event happened, I knew that things were much more tighter in a sense of security because you can turn the corner, but there was security all over the place.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, I'm sorry I've got to run on you.
		I very, very much appreciate your point of view and your call.
		And we'll be back.
		We're going to take a brief break from the high desert.
		A very, very sad day for France.
		I'm Mark Bell.
unidentified		I'm Mark Bell.
		The time for came the stay.
		Oh, my word gets done.
		Cause I'm living free.
		And you shall be the freedom.
		This is Midnight in the Desert.
		To call the show.
		If you're East of Midnight, call 1-952-Call Art.
		If you're west of midnight, call 1-952-225-5278.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And make sure you use the right line.
		I mean, pick one of those and do it.
		All right, we're in open lines.
		Anything is fair game.
		The story in Paris, the sad story, God, there's a lot of people to be killed in one terrorist strike.
		It's a Mumbai-like strike, right?
		Just go in with guns, explosives, and kill as many people as you can.
		That was the entire goal.
		Whether they still have anybody loose over there or not is entirely another question.
		Let us go to Phantom, I guess.
		Hello there.
unidentified		I'm Scott.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		How are you?
unidentified		I'm all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Just fine, yes.
unidentified		All right.
		Well, my heart goes out to everybody affected, not just in Paris, but around the world.
		Because I'm pretty sure a lot of families are affected by this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Of course.
unidentified		And I had a few things I wanted to talk to you about.
		I don't normally get Fridays off, so I always listen to the replay of Open Lines.
		And you had a really good show on last week, and I wanted to call and share one of my stories with you real quick, if that's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Well, I am convinced that I was a bird in one of my past lives.
		Really?
		I'm darn convinced.
		All my life, I've had dreams that I fly.
		I just jump off my feet and fly.
		I've flown all over the world, and I see everything from a top-down perspective.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you still tempted to flap your arms?
unidentified		I do.
unidentified		I recall flapping my arms, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		You know, just like a bird would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
unidentified		It's just, You know, I'm wondering if maybe I was a bird.
unidentified		You know, I try to talk to people and they don't understand what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And what kind of bird do you think you might have been?
unidentified		I'm thinking I might have been a bluebird or maybe a robin.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were going to probably say something like eagle.
unidentified		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So maybe a robin or a bluebird.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's fair enough.
unidentified		Yeah.
unidentified		Oh, and I forgot to mention, I listened to you on AM 630 in Utah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, well, that is so kind.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know the call letters?
unidentified		It's K-T-K-K.
unidentified		They go by K-Talk.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it, brother.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I really appreciate your giving the affiliates an email.
unidentified		Yeah, I don't pick it up very well at my house, but when it does fade out, I switch over to the internet.
unidentified		But you sound loud and clear on the AN dial.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, we pride ourselves on audio, on very, very clear audio, and I think we've achieved it.
unidentified		Yeah, and the stuff going on in Paris, you know, I sleep during the day, so I got up.
		I'm just finding out about what's going on.
		Has any of the terrorist organizations taken credit?
		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, the last I heard, ISIS is celebrating all over the internet, but they have yet to officially claim credit.
		And there could be a lot of reasons for that.
		It could be that they still have operatives in Paris that are loose.
		It could be other attacks are planned and they're waiting.
		So they have said things like, be patient, like we're going to take credit.
		Just hang in there.
unidentified		That's kind of scary when they say be patient like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Because you don't know what they're going to do if they're going to attack next.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, just think, if it had been earlier in your life, you'd have really had a bird's eye view of all this.
		I got to run, but thank you very, very much for the call.
		And yes, you can listen to our shows, folks, through the internet when you want them.
		You get actually two benefits by joining the Time Travelers group.
		I rarely do an ad for this, but here it is.
		Benefit number one, you can download the show on our RSS feed.
		They're really cool.
		And just listen when you want to on your phone, tablet, whatever, computer, all of that.
		So every single show is about an hour after it's done is up there on the RSS feed for you.
		That's one thing.
		Second thing is you get the benefit of the wormhole, so you can send messages to me, either positive or negative.
		I tend to read more of the negative ones than the positive ones, just because.
		I don't know why, but they catch my eye, and for some reason I want to address them.
		In Hollywood, Florida, I guess, you're on the air.
unidentified		Your show.
unidentified		Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Never, never, never used your last name on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So I had to bleep that out.
unidentified		Oh, okay.
unidentified		I apologize.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First names only.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Understood.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So your name is?
unidentified		Brian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Brian.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Welcome.
unidentified		I started listening after your episode with Joe Rogan.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
unidentified		I had a couple of questions.
		I was wondering if the Dark Matter Network noticed an increase in listeners after that show, because I've been listening to the Dark Matter Network every night since.
		So I was just curious about that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The answer is yes.
		The Dark Matter Network has noticed a gigantic increase all across the board, actually.
		Not just since that show, but since we went on.
unidentified		Well, that's excellent.
		I'm very glad.
		There's great programming on it, and I've recommended it to a couple of my friends.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		We depend on that, too.
		That's called grassroots.
		That's how we grow.
unidentified		Indeed.
unidentified		And the second question was, if possible, where are you going to go on the Joe Rogan experience?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know what I really want to do with Joe?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to try his sensory deprivation tank out.
unidentified		Yes, I was also curious about that.
unidentified		I would love to hear your experiences on it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		More than going on his show.
		I would like to try that tank out.
		So I'm toying seriously with that idea.
unidentified		Yes, excellent.
		In relation to the French attacks, I only wanted to mention one thing, and that's just meditation.
		Just taking 15 minutes out of the day to just sit down, notice your breath.
		I think it's important to not be reactive in this time, but rather to observe our thoughts and to notice our impulses.
		I think that may help in some way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It may.
		Thank you.
		I'm not against that at all.
		I think that intent is extremely important, whether it's expressed through religious belief in prayer or just simple concentration or whatever you want to call it.
		I think it can have an effect.
		I am hesitant to direct many people in one, you know, toward one thing or another ever since the experiments I did, as you know.
		But should it be important enough, I definitely can get behind it.
		William on Skype, hello.
unidentified		Yeah, I've listened to you for, I don't know, quite a while.
		I remember as a kid, you know, used to get yelled at by my parents, you know, turn the radio off.
		You got to school tomorrow.
		That was always kind of funny.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		May I ask what you're calling on?
unidentified		My laptop.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Your laptop, okay.
		Look carefully at your laptop.
		There's a little bitty hole like in the rim somewhere there where the microphone actually is.
		And you want to get close to that.
unidentified		Okay, is that better?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		Another thing real quick, I started listening to you on the TuneIn app, which I actually found on my PlayStation, so I can actually listen to you through the TV.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Xbox 2.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really cool.
unidentified		What I was calling about was, of course, like everybody else, the French attacks tonight.
		And I just wanted your opinion on concealed carry.
		You know, I know Europe, you know, in general, is pretty anti-gun.
		And do you think it would have made much of a difference if concealed carry was a political idea?
		At least somebody on the inside may have had a chance to, you know, maybe save at least one life because you saw how long it took for any officers to show up and do anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		I think what you have brought up is really important.
		I imagine in France, they're going to have a lot of discussion about this now.
		Don't you?
unidentified		That's kind of what I'm thinking, too.
		But I'm thinking, on the other hand, it may have that opposite effect here.
		You know, if masked, you know, well, you know, gunmen going in.
		So that's more fuel to the current political, you know, thinking around here is now we need to get rid of everybody's, you know, firearms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it could have an opportunity.
		Not in America, sir.
		A lot of things might happen in America, but that would be about last on the list.
		Americans are not going to give up the guns.
		I have had a carry permit for most of my adult life and wouldn't be without it.
unidentified		I totally agree.
		I'm in the process of hitting mine myself, just waiting on the next class to start here in town.
		So that'll be good.
		Yeah, I just think that it's a decent idea because you may not be able to prevent the entire tragedy, but if you can save one life, I mean, it's well worth it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, sir.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		I think you'll find, if you look at the statistics, that there is very little to no trouble that comes from people who possess carrier permits.
		And I think the authorities, frankly, have figured that out too.
		And if you look for where most of the people are getting murdered and plowed down, it's in areas that forbid guns.
unidentified		Right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let's try the first time caller line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're on the air.
unidentified		Well, good evening, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good evening, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your device off, please.
unidentified		My device?
		Yeah, whatever it is, radio, yes.
		Okay.
		I hate doing that to you, but it's off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're not doing that to me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		When you're on the phone, it feeds back, so it's not good to have on when you're actually on the air.
unidentified		Well, I'm sorry about that.
unidentified		I'm a first-time caller and a long-time listener.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got it.
		Right.
		But you may have noticed that when you get on the line, you automatically begin hearing the audio from the show.
		So at that point, you can turn your radio down.
unidentified		Okay.
		Well, I can listen to you on the phone, and then it would come on the radio.
		That was cool.
		But anyway, I'm an ex-vet.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		I'm an ex-combat vet.
		Right.
		And I'm tempered by war and disciplined by a hardened bit of peace.
		When I got out of the military, I commanded a 15-man fire team.
		And we guarded nuclear weapons, warheads, components.
		I even guarded the President of the United States.
		My call sign was Spike.
		S-P-I-K-E.
		I got it.
		Security Police Intercepting and Killing the Enemy.
		That's exactly what we did every day.
		We trained, we critiqued, we trained, and we did this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Spike, what is it that you think should be done with all this ISIS business?
unidentified		Well, the first thing we need to do is we need to fix our country.
		Along our southern and northern borders, we don't build a wall.
		We build two.
		And inside of it, we put it about a mile apart.
		And inside of it, we put prisons.
		Prisons?
		Not one person, not one person will jump that wall to get into our country.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I thought you were going to go for a moat, maybe with fish.
unidentified		We take and get rid of Gitmo.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Gitmo's on the way out anyway, you know.
unidentified		The president is slowly bringing all the Gitmo prisoners up into the U.S. Yeah, well, take them and put them inside the wall, and they won't have anywhere to go.
		And we close the country.
		Close it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, France just closed.
unidentified		It closed the doors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It amazed me.
		I hear you.
		I've never heard of a country like France closing its borders.
		I guess it happens, but boy, that's pretty rare.
unidentified		I'm not talking about France.
		I'm talking about the US of A. I know.
		We close the borders, get rid of the illegal aliens, and lock up.
		In World War II, when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we gathered up every Japanese American and put them in a place where we could watch them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, and we're not that proud of the fact we did that.
unidentified		I'm not saying it was a good thing, but we severed a finger to save the hand.
unidentified		Okay?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I understand it.
		You know, it was a sad kind of history in this country that we did that.
		But yeah, I do understand it.
		Believe me, I really do understand it.
		The fear was palpable then.
		Let's go to Kirkwood, Missouri, I believe.
unidentified		Hello.
unidentified		Actually, it's Jeff from Ferguson, Missouri.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ferguson, really?
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Amos Ferguson.
unidentified		Yeah, I got a cell phone, and I don't know why it says Kirkwood on the ID.
unidentified		Maybe it has something to do with the cell towers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could be, yes.
unidentified		Doesn't matter.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we've got you, so go ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, the thing, you want to know how this generation might handle the ISIS threat and all that stuff?
		I do.
		I think we have a perfect example from what's going on in Missoula right now.
		St. Louis, I mean University of Missouri.
		Yes.
		There are students from Missouri that are upset that the Paris story is taken from their little tensor tension they're having over there right now.
		They're thinking that's more important than what's going on over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can't control the headlines now, can you?
		And I'm sure that a lot of the presidential candidates are upset with it as well.
		It steals the news cycle for many days to come.
unidentified		Yeah, and I think what needs to happen is if they want a global counter fight, I can't pronounce that word, we need to have a global crusade, and we can't be afraid to say that word anymore.
unidentified		That's what it would take.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's what they're doing against us right now, essentially, is a crusade.
unidentified		Well, they want a global caliph fight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A caliphate.
		A caliphate.
		They want a caliphate, yes.
		But in pursuit of that, they have a crusade.
		And it just hit Paris.
unidentified		But we've got a president who's afraid to say Islamic terrorism.
unidentified		He won't even say the word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with you, sir.
unidentified		And I think it'll take something to happen.
unidentified		I think we'll provide material support and all that stuff for France, but until something happens here, I don't think we'll actually get physically involved.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I appreciate the call.
		Thank you.
		And I do also agree with that.
		We do have a president who is afraid to say that, and I'm not afraid to say it.
		I voted for the man first time around.
		And I am so incredibly disappointed with his foreign policy.
		Lack of decisions.
		Shall I put it that way?
		Lack of decisions.
		I think that's fair.
		Okay, you're on the air from Anchorage, I believe, Alaska.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi.
		My name's Mark.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hey, Mark.
unidentified		Been listening to you actually for many years.
		I just found your show again.
		It's been very pleasant this evening, other than the horrible news, of course, out of there.
		Yes.
		But I was listening to your first two guests earlier, and I think the one thing that our country is missing and that they don't cover in the press, and it drives me nuts every time I watch it, is contact.
		This movement didn't appear out of nowhere overnight.
		These terrorists just didn't pop up in our generation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, indeed not.
unidentified		I came of age in the 1970s.
		So I remember Arafat.
		It was going on back then.
		I remember the Enfety raid.
		You know, these things were happening back then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
		But what really lit the fuse on this was what happened in Iraq, what we did in Iraq.
		CNN is actually running a pretty good show right now called The Road to Hell.
		And it's about Iraq and what we did in Iraq.
unidentified		Right, but we went into Iraq to a degree to clean up our own mess.
		Look at what Iraq was doing.
		You know, are you familiar with Project Babylon that was going on over there where they were building an artillery piece capable of showing Tel Aviv from Baghdad?
		And what went on with Chelsea?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm aware of all these stories that were out there.
		Thank you for the call, but I'm not going down that road.
		There was no good reason to start a war with Iraq.
		None at all.
		It was manufactured.
		It was a case, in my opinion, of making the intel say what you wanted it to say so you could justify a war that otherwise was completely unjustifiable.
		So we went in there, sacrificed American treasure, American lives, and then we walked out completely.
		Just vanished.
		Said, okay, that's it.
		Mission accomplished, I believe was the phrase.
		And then we completely left the country.
		We disassembled the government.
		So by the time we left, there was no real government there, and there wasn't going to be.
		And we just left.
		And so we created a vacuum.
		And nature abhors a vacuum.
		Truly it does.
		And so ISIS came along in Syria and then Iraq to fill that vacuum.
		I'm telling you, we lit that fuse.
		James on Skype, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
		I remember you having that experiment where you got to heal people.
		And I've also read that you can change, you know, things around the world, like stop crime a little bit.
		What about some suggestions?
		What would we throw it out to the audience?
		What would be the best mass experiment we could do right now?
		You know, would it be calm the minds of those guys?
		You know, just the thoughts that throw out there, if anybody has any thoughts on a good meditation, or not a meditation, but a mass prayer that we could conduct on, you know, hopefully you'd be open to something like that and to ease the stuff over there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm open to it, but I don't do it lightly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, I'm worried about...
unidentified		Right.
		Well, that's why, you know, if we had an open discussion and everybody tried to agree on one idea, see what, you know, if one great idea comes up, what would be the best thing to meditate on?
		You know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, it sounds like you're in a windstorm.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Where are you?
unidentified		I'm sitting outside.
unidentified		Sorry.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's all right.
unidentified		I'm trying to catch a book.
unidentified		That's all right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are in a windstorm.
		Okay, well, I'll consider it, as I have said many times on the air, but I don't want to tamper with things that I don't fully understand.
		Simple as that.
		Let's go to first-time caller line.
		Let's try it out.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello?
		Hello.
		Yes.
		I'm calling from WQTT 1270 here in Marys for a while.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's the way to do it.
unidentified		Thank you.
		And uh sir, when you go off this evening, uh one of your proteges I listen to on WTVN, 610 TV um radio here in I see.
		Um I'm not sure that a lot of your listeners will agree with what I'm going to say, but it seems that the youngsters are youngsters now, and I'm from the time when we had the draft.
		I do not believe in the draft, so we'll go there first.
		I did enlist which I there are a lot of kids enlisting, but I don't think that the a lot of the underprivileged, a lot of the kids that just don't have any idea what they're going to do with their lives.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, let me try something out on you, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You said you don't believe in the draft, right?
unidentified		Right, but I'm but if you'll let me just a second.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will, but then I want to interject something, so go ahead.
unidentified		Okay.
		If we would basically go back to the initial thought of, okay, let's extend school two to three years.
		Put those basically, after you graduate, jump into the military for two to three years.
		You're going to have your GI bill when you come out, all the benefits when you come out.
		And there's many things in the military you can do besides go to war.
		But at the same time, we're going to pull a lot of these kids that are underprivileged, a lot of these kids that don't know where they're going, to learn something not only about welding, being a barber, working in a shop somewhere, working with motors, the many things that you can do, being an MP, I've been through quite a few.
		Once you do that, their minds are going to be reset away from the way the kids are thinking now because they're going to get that responsibility.
		They're going to get the training.
		They're going to get all of that.
		Plus, they're going to get the GI ability to go back to college if they want to go when they're done.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you sound like a recruiter.
		And that's fine.
		I agree with you.
		I mean, you know, they're going to get all of that, but that's if they decide to join.
		My question for you.
unidentified		Just extend their time after high school.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, my question for you, sir, was why not the draft?
unidentified		Because the draft is taking a select few of us.
		They're not able to go ahead and take those kids that don't have a chance in life, that don't have an opportunity to learn something.
		They're going to be in the slums.
		They're going to be someplace in the middle of Chicago where they're shooting at each other.
		Take all of them.
		Take everyone when they come out of high school.
		Give them the two years or three years, whichever they choose to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You mean whether they want it or not?
unidentified		Just, yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well then your whole call doesn't make sense because you said you don't want the draft.
		So if you don't want the draft, you're saying after they come out of high school, make it compulsory for them to go into the military.
		That's the same as a draft.
unidentified		No, the draft, they chose numbers.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So we're just arguing about the method of compulsory service?
		That's all we're arguing about.
		Not much of an argument.
		Let me go to Florida.
unidentified		Hello.
		Hello.
		Yes.
		Hi.
		This is Bill in Tampa.
		Hey, Bill.
		First of all, I'm very glad you're back on the show, Art.
		Thank you.
		And secondly, I really, really like the clearness of your sound over the internet.
		It's fantastic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really quite amazing.
		It's what we were shooting for.
		You know, we wanted a good, clear sound.
		Because, believe me, in the last incarnation of my show, I didn't have that.
unidentified		Right, I understand.
		Now, I'm not on the internet now.
		I'm calling the, basically, Fios, which I guess maybe is the Internet.
		I don't know.
		But I am calling on a landline, so to speak.
		But I do listen to you on the Internet, and the sound is really great.
		I also wanted to put out something which may not be real popular tonight.
		And my concern is given all, my concern is that the backlash to that will be further deprivation of rights in this country.
		We will say, oh, please, government, protect us, help us, keep us safe, which means a further tightening of all of the freedoms we used to have.
		That's a good observation, and it's very likely.
		And my position is that we used to be a country where we were presumed innocent.
		I think that is no longer the case.
		We're now presumed guilty.
		And, I mean, I was at an organization meeting, for example, a small example where an FBI agent came and spoke to us.
		And he said, well, if the FBI is investigating somebody, there's got to be some problem.
		They've got to be guilty of something.
		And that kind of attitude really concerns me.
		And that's my primary point that I wanted to make.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Hillary, too.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Oh, to put it mildly, absolutely.
		And so it's, you know, it's something, I don't know how to balance that.
		I don't have a solution, but the thing that we're looking at is certainly we need to have some kind of safeguards and protections, but the other side of that is the coming, if not already present police state, which seems to be so prevalent in the U.S. and around the world, if you will.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is beginning to feel that way, isn't it?
unidentified		Yes, it is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you're old enough, and I'm old enough, I can remember.
		Okay, well, I can remember, and then so can you, back when we actually had freedoms.
		Thing is, that a lot of these youngsters don't remember the kind of freedom that we enjoyed and therefore don't really miss it.
		You know what I mean?
unidentified		It's very sad and scary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you for the call, sir.
		Appreciate it.
		I'm Mark Bell.
		And this is Midnight in the Desert.
unidentified		I hear the drums echo beating tonight.
		Cheers, only whispers of some quiet conversation.
		She's coming in from...
		It is the night, my body's weak.
		I'm on the run, no time to sleep.
		I've got to ride, ride like the wind.
		To be free again.
		The clock strikes 12, and Midnight in the Desert is pounding Package Your Way on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		To call the show, please direct your fingertips to dial 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-CALL-ART.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It is indeed, and we're talking about many things tonight.
		It's actually open lines, but of course, the attack in Paris is pretty much on everybody's mind.
		And what happened in Paris can certainly happen here.
		And I think that kind of doubly puts it on everybody's mind.
		This spreading virus, this caliphate, whatever you want to call it, has to be dealt with, and I think soon.
		And we had better find somebody capable of dealing with it.
		All right, that's two Skype and Frank.
		Going once, Frank, going twice, and gone.
		Windsor, Ontario, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, it's Chad from Windsor, Ontario, and I just want to call and say that I love you, Arth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you, Arthur.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd rather you like me a lot, but thank you.
unidentified		Same thing, buddy.
unidentified		You have a good night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's it?
unidentified		Yep, that's it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, then.
		On we go.
		You're on the air.
		Hello.
		That ding sound means you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, okay, thank you.
		You bring up so many things tonight.
		First of all, I love John Batchelor.
		I'm really into history and military history at that, and I enjoyed him a lot.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He is something, isn't he?
unidentified		Yes, he is.
		You brought up a couple of things that I haven't heard anyone have the guts to say.
		The first one is the nuclear alternatives in the Middle East.
		I know you certainly had a bunch out in your neck of the woods, and everybody seems to have survived eventually.
		And I don't see why anyone has not mentioned it before you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Probably because it's not actually realistic.
		In other words, if you had ISIS all in one geographic area and you could be sure that the innocent civilians weren't going to get slaughtered in large numbers, then maybe.
		But that's why.
		I mean, it's an emotional reaction more than an intellectual one.
unidentified		Well, let me give you another one.
		Do you ask the question, who would be strong enough to take care of this?
		First of all, you probably remember that the Islamics destroyed the library in Alexandria, Egypt, at least 3,000 years ago.
		And they have never done anything except try to keep people ignorant for that period of time.
		And I've thought for a long time that we were at war with Islam.
		And what I'm afraid of is the only way that we're going to be able to deal with it is the same way that Adolf Hitler tried to do the Jews.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's horrible.
unidentified		And I don't want it.
unidentified		I'm not advocating it, but I'm afraid that that's the only thing that's going to be able to stop them Let me say this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		First of all, it is a truth that is far from being just Islam that is a problem.
		It's the radicalized arm or part of Islam that's the problem.
		The radicalized part.
		Islam is a gigantic religion, and for the most part, peaceful.
		However, could it eventually turn into basically a war between Christianity or the West and Islam?
		I would hope not.
		And so every president has to be careful to say it is not a war or a problem we have with all of Islam.
		It is the radicalized group who somehow has found in the same book that the peaceful people use language that to them indicates murder and genocide is the only way to they want to spread.
		I don't know how they find those words, and they can't seem to make, you know, when you actually get somebody who's radicalized on and you ask them that question, they generally will quote something that makes no sense at all, except perhaps to them.
		In Las Vegas, you're on the air.
joe wbet in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		This is Joe WBET.
unidentified		Right.
joe wbet in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Just something I got to get off my chest with regard to what has occurred Since Bush 43, I mean, this guy was an uppercrust dimwit.
		Had no sense of history, geography, economics, let alone morality or manners.
		Had a sociopath war profiteer for a vice president.
		And look what he's done as far as opening up the mix of hell in terms of revving up Islam.
		The invasion of an Islamic country for what?
		Weapons of mass destruction?
		That was basically a delusion to begin with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It was.
joe wbet in las vegas ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, I mean, the trillions of dollars that we had borrowed from the Chinese to carry on with this guy's folly, I really contend that Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, they should actually be put up on trial, tried, convicted, and sentenced to prison.
		I mean, none of this would have occurred had we just simply gone after the bad guys in Afghanistan, and that would have been that.
		We had the whole world behind us after 9-11.
		Even Iran was willing to offer assistance and aid.
		And what did we end up with?
		The world looked at us like one big hillbilly, rope belt and all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know about the trials, but I really don't disagree that we really did this.
		We really did.
		And if any of you get the opportunity, The Road to Hell in Iraq is worth watching.
		It's a special on CNN.
		And I really recommend you watch it.
		A lot of people, I guess, have short memories when it comes to what we do, and or they listen to people who attempt to justify it, and it is unjustifiable.
		Outside the country, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		How's it going, Mark?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's going well.
unidentified		This is Jack from Australia.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would have guessed.
unidentified		I think something that will be very important in the aftermath of this terrible tragedy will be the foreign policies in Europe as they are formatted, especially in France, to see how they react to the whole migrant issue and immigration and stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, I think you're right.
		We're about to see a reaction.
		They've closed their borders.
		That's a pretty radical move for France.
		And what they're going to do next is going to be an interesting observation.
		What do you think?
unidentified		That's a pretty big thing for France.
		They haven't done that since 1944.
		So stuff is starting to really get real low there.
		And with more of these attacks, public opinion starts to sway, which, you know, as public opinion changes, it may give politicians more power to do action or to get stuff done as well.
		And this can even be more said for the American government in their inaction, especially in the Middle East.
		I believe my own theory is that Minister Obama, the reason he's not really interfering much in Syria is because he doesn't want the same issue that the Americans had in Somalia back way back when, when American bodies were being drawn through the streets, you know, like, you don't want that doesn't look good for public image.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't look good.
		Yeah, it doesn't look good, but you know, there are some wars worth fighting.
		And this is one of them.
		I mean, this is a group devoted to the extinction of mankind.
		Ultimately, that's what they want, is Armageddon.
		And they are going to keep coming and keep growing and keep coming until we deal with them.
		And I guess sooner is better than later?
unidentified		Yeah.
		The thing is with ISIL and this whole Islam problem, you can't criminalize the whole race.
		You can't be like, all of Islam is bad.
		That's a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because it's not.
		No, nobody is saying, nobody of any intellectual prowess at all is saying that because it's just untrue.
		But these people who have decided they want to bring about Armageddon, the end of the world, and they're going to kill everybody who refuses to convert.
		And they pretty much decided we're not going to convert, and they're right.
		So they just want to kill us.
		And if that's the case, then we must go and kill them.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Yeah.
		Again, even if America got boots on the ground in the Middle East, I'd feel it's sort of the same issue that America had in Afghanistan, like identifying targets, like who is the enemy, who is civilian, you know, war crimes.
		It comes very blurred lines.
		I'm quite perplexed on how to combat this, and I'm sure many generals and world leaders are perplexed as well.
		It's hard to erase an ideology from the face of the earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, until some political person gives instructions to the generals, nothing at all will happen.
unidentified		Yeah, well, it will take some pretty big moves from some major powers for much to change in that region of the world, sadly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got to run.
		Somebody earlier said that history has a way of having the right guys step up at the right time.
		Actually, I think that it was John Batchelor in the earlier interview, and he's right about that.
		But boy, it's going to be a close, very close call.
		Burlington, Vermont, Murray?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		It's Laura.
		I've been listening to you since 1985.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Long time.
unidentified		A long time.
		And when you went off the air, I missed you dearly.
		And I had to listen to the other show, and it just was never the same.
		And I'm so glad you're back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		So glad.
		Thank you.
		And I wanted to say one thing.
		What I really miss about your old show is do you remember when you give everybody the honors at the end to Say goodnight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I've begun that again.
unidentified		Have you?
unidentified		I haven't heard that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have.
		If it was a little bit later, I'll tell you what I'm going to do.
		I'm going to put you on hold, and I'll come back to you at the end of the show.
		And what you want to say is good night, world.
unidentified		Oh, I can't say goodnight, America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can, but it's the entire world that's hearing you, so you know, I mean, we don't want to not greet the appropriate people.
unidentified		No problem.
unidentified		I'll do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you say goodnight, world?
unidentified		I can say goodnight, world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or you can say goodnight, America, and the world.
unidentified		I'd be good with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm putting it on hold.
		Thank you very much.
		I think Chicago, you're on.
		Hi.
		Going once.
		Going twice, gone.
		Spokane, Washington.
unidentified		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
		Going once, twice, gone.
		Mill Valley, California, your turn.
		Hello?
unidentified		Hello.
		I think we're missing the whole thing here.
		We've all touched on it.
		The whole reason, and I listen to you on the internet, the whole reason that people listen to your show and shows like it is because there's a bigger picture.
		If even some of the conspiracies, if even some of the, quote, extraterrestrials that are visiting us are true, then isn't it interesting that at a time when we're really pushing disclosure, Stephen Bassett and his group, Dr. Greer and all,
		that all of a sudden now, this point person, this point group, ISIS, that we created, I agree with everything you said, and we shouldn't have gone into Iraq and all the political stuff, but isn't it interesting that if there is a breakaway society, as we hear on your program, if there is a secret space program, if there are underground bases all around the world, what a perfect way to divert our attention.
		And what a perfect way, as you say, for people to take away guns.
		Not that I'm a violent person, but I would feel a lot more comfortable if my community would allow me to have a concealed carry so I could defend myself if some idiot went off in a restaurant or a theater.
		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're in California, right?
unidentified		Well, I don't like to say, but yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, California is indeed a difficult state in which to obtain a carry permit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It almost takes an act of the California legislature or the governor.
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
		I mean, there was a time in a couple of the cities where the police chief was denying them, even if you have a perfect record of never been arrested.
		And you say, well, the sheriff has the right.
		The sheriff is the higher authority.
		And then I went and talked to a sheriff once, and he said, oh, I'm not going to give any permits.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		It's political.
		The whole thing is idiotic.
		If you look around, indeed, in places where they restrict guns, they have a lot of gun violence.
		in places where a lot of people carry guns, well, not so much.
unidentified		Well, getting back, and that's true, and getting back to that...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Even more important than any of that is the record of people who have received instruction and received carry permits is very, very exemplary.
unidentified		Yeah, from what I've heard, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, it's true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, go ahead.
unidentified		Well, I'm just saying, back to the original issue, whether it's defending ourselves, which I would rather do, it becomes more of everything that we've talked about.
		That's where it is political.
		Or the Bill of Rights was thrown out after 9-11.
		The military budget or the $37 trillion that Cheney said was missing a week before 9-11, that got thrown out because of 9-11.
		And that's how the black budgets, if we listen to people on your program, are funded.
		And that's how we have weapons and technology that could throw oil down the toilet and we could all have free energy devices.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I sure hope you're right.
unidentified		Well, if we believe any of these, I don't know if I'm right, you know, but I've met Travis Walton personally a couple of times.
		I don't think he's lying.
		You know, I've met Whitley Strieber personally.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I know, but Travis Walton doesn't say we've got free energy.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Travis Walton got taken up in a saucer.
unidentified		Well, then what made the saucer fly is the point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But Travis Walton doesn't know.
unidentified		He doesn't know.
		But the point is we all can surmise that if there are other civilizations visiting us, if we're being lied to and covered up by, quote, a breakaway society who keeps the technology, who keeps the knowledge of the fact that there are others visiting us secret, then that's the type of person that could create a group.
		Who funds these groups?
		At least Al-Qaeda, we had, you know, Bin Laden was rich, and there were rich Arabs, you know, and it was oil.
		So it all ties together.
		So if ISIS is created by us, who's funding them?
		Are there that many rich guys in the 1% that want to spend money on this?
		No, I think it's a diversion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they were funded to a large degree by an awful lot of the stuff we left in Iraq.
		I hate to say that, but they hit one bank, I believe, when the Iraqi soldiers took off and ran away.
		They hit one bank for what was it, half billion dollars, something like that?
		Just astronomical.
		All right, we don't have a lot of time left.
		It's too bad because we could go and go and go and go with just hours and hours and hours.
		But it's about to end.
		So I'll take a few very fast calls.
		If you can make a very fast comment, Coos Bay, Oregon, very quick.
unidentified		My comment is the problem we have with this country starts at the top.
unidentified		The President of the United States is not doing what he should be doing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, sir.
		Thank you.
		Hayes, Kansas, very quickly.
unidentified		All right, this is Tim.
		I just want to say Kansas just released constitutional concealed carry, and we have a job.
		So come on to Kansas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Way to go, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Beverly Hills, California, quickly.
unidentified		Well, this is the ghost of Ronald Reagan again.
		Mendy had me call.
		He's listening to your show, and he's a friend of mine.
		And I think either Donald Trump, Ben Carson, or Ted Cruz could give these ISIS people a run for their money.
		You know, this is what happens when too many radical Muslims, the radical ones, just don't have cable television.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, I could go on and on.
		Every line is full, but I'm not going to.
		I'm going to go to a really nice lady in Burlington, Vermont, who is now going to say what?
unidentified		Good night, America.
unidentified		Peace out, world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, that's the way to do it.
		Thank you very much, and good night.
		Good night, all.
		Four hours, weekends.
		Why not just strap me to the chair?
		Good night, everybody.
unidentified		Good night.
		Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
		I've been looking for the answers.

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