Warren Faidley, storm-chasing expert since the 1980s, warns reckless chasers—like those who died near El Reno’s tornado—clog roads, and risk lives, while praising NASA’s EM drive breakthrough for potential space travel. He dismisses myths like refineries altering tornado paths or Flat Earthers’ claims, noting unpredictable storm intensification and the dangers of core punching. Callers debate fracking-induced quakes, extraterrestrial life’s religious implications, and Art Bell’s unfulfilled gold promise from Ed Dames, while Faidley insists safety over sensationalism. Ultimately, responsible storm chasing and skepticism toward fringe theories remain critical amid evolving weather risks and unproven tech. [Automatically generated summary]
I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's 25 each and everyone covered by the blanket by this program, Midnight in the Desert.
Has anybody noticed that the advertisements for Windows 10 are getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger?
I've got like seven computers with Windows 7 on it.
And which I'm contented with, but they're tempting me.
They're trying to get me to hit that button.
And I'm resisting with all my willpower.
But I've noticed that as I continue to resist, the messages get bigger.
They started out a little tiny thing on the taskbar, and then they were a little tiny thing that popped up a little bit.
And then they were a bigger thing that popped up.
I had one that came up and covered the whole screen the other day.
Do it and do it soon!
All right, so the news of the day.
The first thing I'm going to read you is not news of the day.
This is a pretty freaky story, and let me tell you about it.
It came to me from a nurse, and I know her name, and we know how to reach her.
But I will not give you her name for privacy reasons.
We also know who the patient is here, or we're on her trail.
My producer is trying to produce this.
This was sent to me by the nurse, and so without naming her, Hiart, I just wanted to tell you about a patient that I recently had in the ER.
It was a young mother who had already presented twice previously since confirming pregnancy 10 weeks ago.
On those visits, she said she felt uneasy about her pregnancy and was concerned for the baby's well-being.
Each time, we did blood work and an ultrasound to confirm that everything was as it should be.
On the third visit, she presented to ER stating that she just didn't feel pregnant and could we please ensure that everything was okay.
Upon obtaining blood work, her HCG levels were those of a non-pregnant woman.
Her pelvic ultrasound revealed no fetus, no evidence of any recent pregnancy.
We knew this was not correct because we had done recent ultrasound showing a live single fetus within the uterine cavity.
This time, though, there was no fetus present.
The patient did not show any signs or symptoms of miscarriage, just quit feeling pregnant.
As you can imagine, she was apprehensive about this pregnancy right from the start, and now the pregnancy had vanished.
Documented and photographed via ultrasound fetus was now missing with no signs of where it went.
I couldn't help but immediately think of your guest, Dr. Jacobs, that would be, talking about the hybrids and hubrits.
Could this be a case of a pregnancy that was removed from the mother, as your guest had suggested?
Sure sounded eerily familiar.
So as you can imagine, we are working on this case.
That doesn't happen.
Petuses don't just vanish.
HCG levels back to normal.
Couldn't happen.
So this was the nurse, and again, we're going to keep her name for now private, as well as, of course, the patient.
We can't go another step now, really, without the patient's permission or interview.
So now, looking at a little news of the day, the Elbows Out GOP presidential contest appeared on Wednesday to have entered a kinder, gentler phase, kind of 11 commandment, you know, like the 11th commandment had taken hold.
The international community is mounting its most serious effort yet to end the nearly five-year-old Syrian war, rallying around a second round of talks in Vienna this weekend amid the emergence of a Russian proposal that calls for early elections.
I shouldn't laugh.
Have you seen the state of Syria elections?
Are they serious?
Anyway, they're going to talk about it, and they should.
There have been 250,000 people killed so far.
But it's got the brew of the Third World War in there, I think.
The latest from the IAAF investigation, Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered an investigation immediately into the allegations of widespread doping among that country's sports figures.
shouldn't laugh at that either, I guess, right?
And this, of course, we've had this on the website, but from theanomalous.com, hold your horses, true believers.
Every journalist and their cat are monitoring the threads at NASA's Eagle Works to scoop the competition, and Rick Stella is no different.
The long and short of this announcement is a peer-reviewed paper based on a new experiment, which is pending.
And it's very certain to knock our collective socks off anytime soon.
I wonder how long NASA will test it before they will finally actually declare that.
It works.
We may not know how, but it works.
In fact, even a plucky Romanian did, with some measure of success, build one.
So we may be on the verge of a backyard space program.
I wonder who will launch first.
The subject tonight is timely in the sense that there are very violent storms going on tonight across Illinois, Iowa, probably mainly Missouri overnight.
It's a mess, and it's late in the year for that mess, and our guest will be able to comment on it for sure since he chases storms.
No, he's not crazy.
It is a true, absolute straight line to all the adrenaline a human can use.
We'll talk about it in a moment.
But I do want to say one thing.
NBC News tonight, in covering the violent weather, you know, they had cameras, of course, in Iowa because they were doing political coverage, right?
And again, here I go, laughing, but God, it was a funny sight.
They had this young gal, I guess probably a political reporter, right?
And the tornado sirens were going off, as in, get the hell out of here and go find shelter right now.
I mean, you could hear the sirens screaming in the background, which is, I assume why they turned on the camera, but in the background, she was standing right in front of a Jebkin-Fix-It sign.
Again, I shouldn't laugh, but she, you know, her face was worried, and the siren was going off.
She's probably imagining, you know, a mile-wide tornado bearing down on their building, and it had to be right in front of a Jebkin-Fix-It sign.
All right, so it has been too many years since I've interviewed this man, and I suspect he's as crazy as ever.
Warren Fadley was the first person to pursue severe weather and natural disasters in a full-time capacity as a journalist, consultant, cinematographer, of course, and photographer.
He's been labeled as America's top storm chaser, and that's quite a title.
And America's storm survival expert by multiple media outlets.
You have very likely seen Warren on news programs, CBS's Early Show, the BBC, O'Reilly Factors, CNN Fox News, and so much more reporting on severe weather.
As a full-time extreme weather journalist, forecaster, and storm survival expert, so who knows, we might save a life tonight.
Warren has likely experienced more assorted severe weather and natural disasters than any living human being.
And believe me, his adventures, deadly encounters, could fill volumes.
They will fill three hours tonight.
It's adrenaline junkie's dream to chase storms.
I did it when I was young and stupid, I know.
But I sure am still very, very interested in it.
We're going to break here, and when we come back, we're in safety.
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We will rock you.
We will, we will rock you.
Take a walk on the wild side of midnight.
From the kingdom of Nye, this is Midnight in the Desert with Art Bell.
Well, you need a little both, but you need to have some kind of a survival instinct.
You know, I had that, I was told when I was a journalist, and I think it kind of transitioned into storm chase, and it's probably kept me out of a lot of trouble over the years.
I mean, the last few years we've seen very little hurricane activity, you know, in the Gulf Coast or the East Coast.
And the last probably four or five years in the central plains, there's been somewhat of a tornado drought, although it seems like the violent tornadoes that do occur somehow seem to find humanity.
But beyond that, the weather, it's drier, you know, we're seeing these massive dust storms, you know, 110 miles north of me up in Phoenix, and we're seeing some of the storms kind of change where you see the violent storms and the plains move a little bit further to the east.
So things have changed a little bit.
But when you talk about severe weather and the kind of things I chase, which is everything from lightning storms to tornadoes to hurricanes and everything in between, it's pretty much a regular occurrence somewhere in the world.
You know, I've done some foolish, maybe not so foolish and maybe some of it foolish, storm chasing myself, as I told you, I think, the first time we interviewed, from Amarillo Air Force Base.
Used to chase them up into Oklahoma, take, actually back then film, sold it to KFDA television in Amarillo back then.
And we chased Lynn, who, by the way, went on to be, a good friend of mine, went on to be a meteorologist and does TV news in Louisiana.
He and I chased tornadoes and storms that were about to issue them all the way up into Oklahoma.
So I know a little bit about what you do, but I was a real piker.
The best is, everybody has a different definition of what the best is.
But it's kind of interesting you talk about storm chasing back in the days because you know we didn't have all the laptops and all the technology we have now, which is a totally different type of chasing than you had 10 or 15 years ago.
It's completely changed chasing in the way we chase.
And there's good things about it and there's bad things about it.
But the technology is really the biggest thing to affect storm chasing and storm spotting probably in the last 10 or 15 years.
And, you know, I started out as a newspaper journalist when I got out of college.
And even the journalism bug to this day stays with me.
If I'm sitting here at night and hear, you know, sirens for more than probably five minutes, I'll jump up and grab the scanner and see what's going.
You know, it's the same thing, and same thing with storms.
Even when we have storms here in Tucson, if I see the sky get dark or, you know, I look on the radar and there's something out there, I still have that urge even during the offsmeal to go out.
It is a curiosity.
I mean, that's why so many people chase.
It's a big atmospheric treasure hunt, and boy, once that fever bites you, it's something that's just really hard, if not impossible, to get rid of.
There's a tornado in, I believe that was in Kansas, and there's the famous lightning strike that got me started, the one of the lightning strike hitting the oil and gasoline tank farm here in Tucson back in 1987.
And there's another shot, which is really kind of a beautiful landscape shot, which was shot in West Texas there off of I-40 east of Amarillo.
And that's just, you know, the clouds are just amazing, the modest clouds and the kind of a purple sunset light on them.
The kind of things that, you know, chasers just spend all the money and time out there chasing looking for.
Well, I spent, interestingly, I only shot two or three photos of that because at the time I had a 35 millimeter film camera that I had got from an agency in Los Angeles who wanted me to shoot weather.
And so I spent most of the time shooting that on 35 millimeter film, which was one of the first tornadoes actually shot on 35 millimeter film, if I remember right.
But that's always the problem with storm chasing and being both someone interested in motion footage and someone interested in still images is how do you handle it when you have something like that on the ground?
Do you want to shoot the stills?
Do you want to shoot the footage?
And over the years, people have preferences.
Stills were, of course, at one time the only thing you could really shoot.
Video just wasn't of quality.
And nowadays with HD cameras, I mean, you can shoot some amazing quality footage.
So even though technology is advanced, there's still that juggling act going on when there's something really amazing happening to decide what format you want to actually record it on.
That's probably one of my favorite shots because it does kind of incorporate all the things you're looking for in a tornado shot, which is really hard to find the color because the sunset light was on it.
You don't find that with a lot of tornadoes.
It's kind of a gray against gray.
And you also had, you know, it was close enough to get a good quality shot.
Fortunately, the best thing about that tornado is it didn't do any serious damage or hurt anyone.
So, you know, once you hear that and you know there's nothing bad about it, you can really kick back and enjoy the photograph.
You know, it's not like taking some of the images I've taken where, you know, the tornado went on to become a killer tornado or was doing serious damage because it's really difficult to kind of celebrate, no matter what it looks like, to kind of celebrate those shots when you realize what it did.
Now, when I called you up, this may be a story in itself, when I called you up before the show, I, you know, was messing with you and I said, Tim Cantori, I think you said, I was about to hang up on you.
So, you know, I'll ask you about that in a moment.
What I do want to ask about is this.
When the violent weather is really going, naturally, yeah, go to the weather channel.
I think a lot of people do.
They get their best ratings when things are worse.
And you go over there, and, you know, you've got Dr. Forbes on screen.
And I really love the guy in a lot of ways.
But, you know, on the one hand, he's saying, oh, my God, look at this radar scan.
You see that blue?
That's got to be stuffed in the middle of a tornado.
And definitely a return of things in the air.
And he's getting very excited, very, very excited.
And yet, he has to stop every, well, I don't know, like three or four minutes and say, but of course, we're not happy about this.
We'll find some way to say that.
You know, it could be headed toward a populated area or whatever.
It's such a fine line.
If you're a weather freak, you love it, but you can't be seen to love it too much because it does bad stuff.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's always very difficult to watch radars when you have what we call the damage ball or you guys will see the reflectivity and the signatures and you know it's debris going up in the air and you can just tell by looking at GPS or the overlays that it's going to a populated area.
I remember one time in Oklahoma City, we had a tornado going through there and my foot was actually shaken on the accelerator because I realized what I was chasing was obviously killing people at the time.
So there was this excitement, but there was also this kind of anxiety of knowing what you were looking at was doing some real serious damage.
But you're right.
You have to be careful.
And you were talking about Dr. Forbes and describing it, and I think I actually remember seeing that same thing.
And I think a lot of the excitement is just from the science part of it, that you're witnessing something absolutely amazing that if another scientist was sitting next to you, they'd be saying, oh, my God, and you weren't on TV.
It would be real exciting.
But of course, when you're dealing with the public, then there's a whole different persona you have to take on because what you're looking at may be doing some serious damage or even killing people.
No, when you look at the statistics and you get away with all the, you kind of eliminate all the hearsay science, there really are not more violent tornadoes.
Now, in the last few years, because of the drought, one of the interesting things that's happening is the dry line is beginning to form a little bit further to the east, and we can talk about that after the break.
But that's something, a phenomenon that's occurring because of the recent drought that's forcing the swarms to go up a little bit further out to the populated areas.
I have a love-hate relationship with the Weather Channel.
I very gratefully published my book, Storm Chaser back in the Twister days, was it 95, around then?
So, you know, they've been good, but I've had some problems lately with them and what we call chasertainment, which is, you know, it's chasertainment, which refers to instead of delivering weather information that's really going to save someone's life, it's geared more for entertainment.
You know, you show the chasers out there doing really dangerous, wacko, you know, unnecessary things.
Well, yeah, we could talk about that for the next 10 hours.
But that's one of the problems.
They embraced that, ironically, a couple years ago, and it almost killed their crew when they were out chasing Mike Bettis, the El Reno tornado that ended up, unfortunately, killing three researchers out there.
And I think they learned their lesson because the tornado hunt never resurfaced after that year.
But they got really caught up in that chasertainment of promoting, chasing, you know, chasing this misrepresentated as being something legitimate when it's not.
And I think a lot of people saw that.
And I think it ended up hurting the Weather Channel in the long run that they kind of adopted that as a legitimate way of promoting weather.
I think they stepped over it because when you lose the public's trust and you start showing, you know, again, things that are for entertainment value, not for news value, it actually risks lives.
Because if I'm watching the weather channel and there's a tornado heading towards my house, I don't really care what this person or that person is doing chasing it.
I want to know, you know, if it's going to affect me.
I want to know if I need to take shelter.
I want to need to know what I need to do.
And seconds save lives.
And if they're going to broadcast that kind of information, they need to spend that time giving people important information.
And, of course, most people turn into local television and the National Weather Service.
Those are probably your two best sources when there's some kind of a threat.
But to use that angle of entertainment in those situations rubbed a lot of people, I think, the wrong way.
Every time we'll pull into town with the chase trucks, we're often run out of town like Frankenstein with the torches and the pitchforks.
It does get people's attention.
They always want to know, which is kind of interesting, I've always thought, because you can go into an area that people should know better on, say, a high-risk day when there's a higher probability of violent tornadoes, and you'll be filling up the gas tank or something.
Someone will always come up and go, are there going to be storms today?
And I always kind of look at them and go, you know, I think if I lived here and it was a high-risk day and a good chance of violent tornadoes, I would probably, you know, know.
I wouldn't have to go up and ask them.
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But, you know, some of the things that I'm going to do.
You know, one of the things I've noticed over the years, which I've tried to convey to people when I do lectures and speaking engagements and things like that, is that I don't care how well organized you are, and I'll say this even to myself, when you get in a real serious, and I mean life-threatening situation, the thing that's going to save you are the instincts, are the things that you have burned so much into your memory and your preparations that you're going to take the right steps.
Because we all hear the safety instructions every year what to do if there's a hurricane or a tornado.
But people will always tell me, and I've seen it firsthand, and I've seen ended up in tragic results, when people are faced with that and panic sets in, that all goes away.
That instantly is completely erased.
And that's what creates panic, and that's why you have so many people who don't need to perish in severe weather events that do.
You know what scares me the most is what I cannot see, Warren.
I just can't imagine being in a wood structure somewhere in the Midwest, have it be way after dark and hear that damn freight train sound.
If I know where a storm is and I can look at the clouds, I can look at the storm, like you, perhaps not like many people, I can kind of tell what's going on.
But oh man, to hear that sound in the dark, I can't think of anything more frightening.
Well, the sound would certainly frighten you, but I've been in over the years in numerous situations, especially back before we had radar and good communication information, where we would stay in flimsy, cheap motels.
And lo and behold, you'd hear the tornado siren going off, and you'd see the funnel clouds illuminated by the lightning, and it was always a threat.
And it is.
It's a very hopeless feeling.
And, of course, I usually will look over a building before I stay there even nowadays and know where the shelter is, know where the exits are, and things like that for safety.
But I've been caught in those situations.
And I'll tell you what, at some point you just submit and you cross your fingers and find the safest place you can.
And what happens is you have an area called, it's a boundary called a dry line, and it separates the dry air from the moist air.
And it's a breeding ground for storms.
They like to go up along that boundary.
And generally, it's somewhere, you know, Amarillo or just to the east of there.
And a lot of times it's not as defined, and you just don't have the moisture depth.
And you'll have storms go up, and then they'll go up.
And further down east, it'll stabilize things in the afternoon.
And you may have a few tornadoes.
That's a very common scenario out there.
With the drought, though, you have a real sharp dry line that ends up being maybe 40, 50 miles to the west of Oklahoma City, for example.
And that becomes a very active area.
And you have a lot of very violent storms go up.
And unfortunately, when they move, you know, 30, 40 miles to the east, they're right in the Oklahoma City area, which we've seen with Moore and with El Reno, these very violent EF5 tornadoes recently.
And that's one of the results of the drought is you have these storms maturing, coming off the dry line and moving into the populated areas there.
I know there were three of the research chasers were killed, and there was another guy who stopped on the road to photograph the storm with his iPhone, and maybe another person, but I know four for sure.
But I'll tell you what, that was a miracle when I was watching that storm on radar.
I remember at one point we were south of it, and we saw it at the ending stages.
And I remember getting on the radio and telling someone, I go, we're no longer chasing.
We're going to go in as EMS people.
I'm a tactical EMT.
I've got a lot of medical training.
So at that point, I had changed my mind to transition from journalist chaser into going into the city.
Because I'll tell you what, that storm, it's a miracle that it dissipated.
Had it kept the track and gone down I-40 into Oklahoma City at the strength it was, its maximum strength, that would have been an extremely worst case scenario destructive tornado.
So although it had some tragic consequences, it could have been a lot worse.
There was rumors that there was a camera rolling at the time, and I don't know if it matters or not.
You know, the road was wet.
The tornado expanded rapidly.
I think there's any number of people that could have been in trouble in that area.
I know the weather channel vehicle was hit, as we discussed before, because the tornado expanded, and it's just a gigantic monster in just record time.
It actually turned to the north, I believe it was the northeast rapidly, which they sometimes will do.
And I think, you know, you just get caught off guard.
I don't care how good you are.
You know, it's happened to me.
It's happened to some of the most experienced chasers in the world.
Those guys were just unlucky.
And I think, you know, between the mud, slick roads, and running out of options in that situation, it could have happened to anybody.
And there were a lot of close calls that day.
If you look at some of the GPS data with the storm chasers and spotters who were in that area, you just cringe to see the little dots.
And you put that and put the tornado track over that of where they were at certain times.
So that's just, you know, unfortunately, one of the things that happens with chasing is even with all the modern technology, you're still limited to roads.
And some of the roads are the same roads that were there long before the technology.
And that's really, I mean, when I chase, the roads to me are the most important thing, the mapping to be able to maneuver around these storms and to be able to allow for those rapid changes.
Now, I know they needed to be a little bit closer for their research.
And, you know, that's when it really gets dangerous is when you're in that area where you're between the very, very large hell and the actual tornado circulation.
Well, for me, I always had a fascination with several things that got me going.
One was adventure.
And, of course, I think I was a product of the late 1960s, you know, and the Everest climbs and the moonshots and all these things.
As a kid, you know, I'm like, holy moly, I've got to go out someday and do something like that.
And I think that was what really kind of got me started.
And I was always the kind of kid that was always out in the desert looking for things and, you know, collecting rocks and scorpions and all kinds of crazy, dangerous things.
And as I grew up, you know, I translated in.
Of course, I wanted to fly for the Navy.
That's the sole reason I went to college.
But unfortunately, my junior year, my eyesight was just below the standard.
So I thought, well, I've got to do something else crazy.
Why not do photojournalism and specialize in the most extreme things in the world?
And I started out with riots and fires and floods and all kinds of disasters and then took some pretty good photos and transitioned into lightning here in Arizona and just happened to be reading an Associated Press article one day about tornado chase.
And I went, hmm, you know, I think I'll expand my horizons and head out east.
This was, oh, I was, I think I was in my late, mid-late 20s at this point.
Okay.
And then, you know, of course, went to, ironically, the very first day I went tornado chasing in Texas, I ended up in Saragosa, Texas, which was hit by a very strong tornado that killed, unfortunately, a lot of children during a graduation ceremony.
Being there and seeing that, you know, it humbled me a lot.
And it also told me I'm going to have to give something back.
I can't just go out here like you see a lot of chasers and just have a wild, crazy time doing this.
I had to give something back.
And that doesn't mean I, you know, didn't have crazy, you know, experiences chasing and did a lot of crazy things and some foolish things.
But I wanted to give something back to chasing.
And I think that's where eventually all the knowledge I got from this first-hand survival I put into writing books and doing lectures and becoming an EMT so I could do something when I'm out there.
Just, you know, besides taking the pictures and the footage, I wanted to give something back when I'm out there.
And I'm glad I did because I'll tell you what, it's a great feeling when you go out there and you're able to lend a hand to somebody.
And there's, you know, obviously my cell phone's in there, and there's a camera mounted on the front.
There's usually two cameras in the front.
Sometimes I'll have one pointed back towards me, but there's always one kind of a wide view out front we can turn on, and there's a monitor for that.
There's a handheld camera that comes off that you can actually hold and watch the monitor when you're driving, so you don't have to actually look through the camera.
You can use that on there.
And I'm trying to think what else was on there.
That's the main equipment I use.
I don't get too technical and put too much technology in there because it's easy to get distracted.
If you have too many things going on, too many bells and whistles, it's easy to get caught up in all that.
And I'm also a pilot, so I know that you don't want to get caught up in the moment and lose track of what you're supposed to be doing, which is flying the plane, or in this case, driving the chase vehicle.
I tip my hat to those guys because the information they give and the new stations in Oklahoma City, the information, the life-saving information they give, it's saved countless lives.
And although, you know, I don't think some of the entertainment value that they generate now, which it seems to be more and more every year, but the information value they send from those helicopters is invaluable not only to the people on the ground, but to the National Weather Service, allows them to see what's going on at the same time they're looking at the radar.
But yeah, all that technology has a very good purpose, but unfortunately in recent years, you know, some of it's getting a little bit out of hand where it's becoming more entertainment value.
And I can give you a great example is when I was at the Moore Tornado.
Yeah, we were talking about how technology and social media have changed.
You know, the way that people get their warning information.
And, you know, it's a great thing.
It saves lives.
But at the same time, one of the things that's happening, which is a very negative thing now, is people are relying too much on that information.
And I'll give you a great example.
You know, in Moore, Oklahoma, when they were recently hit by that violent tornado, I spoke to somebody and he said, well, I was watching TV and I wanted to get confirmation that it was a big tornado and it was heading towards my house.
And he barely got out alive.
I mean, this guy, his home was completely leveled.
And he only got about a half mile away from it when he found shelter.
If he'd waited any later, he probably would have been killed.
But this is a growing problem now is that people are relying too much on others to tell them what to do.
And they're watching live footage and trying to correlate that with the strength of the tornado and where it's moving.
And most people don't have the knowledge to do that.
So the bottom line is they're taking too long to seek shelter or take the action they need to take to save their lives.
And, you know, there is that entertainment value.
I've had people tell me, well, gosh, you know, I was watching it on TV and it looked really cool, but I didn't realize how close it was getting to me.
So that's one of the things I think we're going to have to see people change in weather safety training and discussions is to get people, it doesn't matter what a tornado, you know, if it's an EF-0 or if it's an EF-5, if it's heading towards you, you need to take the same kind of precaution you would take for any kind of tornado, and you need to not delay that action.
And you need to, especially if you have a family or responsible for other people, you really need to do that as quickly as you can.
You know, chasers were going to be out there, let me tell you.
And chasers and spotters, you know, we always talk about chasers, but really the unsung heroes of when you talk about people being actively involved in severe weather, you know, you've got the researchers, which, of course, you can't deny their research leads to a lot of life-saving information.
At least the real researchers, not the fake ones, which we can certainly talk about at some point.
But, you know, the spotters really don't get enough credit.
I mean, these are men and women.
They go out with their own vehicles, and as you probably know from chasing, a lot of times their vehicles are beat to a pulp by giant hell.
They spend their own gas money.
It's strictly a public service.
They don't get anything out of it.
They never, rarely ever get a thank you from anyone.
But I've heard so many spotter reports over the years when I've been chasing giving back life-saving information to the National Weather Service that I think we need to designate a National Spotter Day, which I'm actually working right now on doing, to give credit to those people for being out there and providing that kind of information.
Let's take a moment and just stop talking about this aspect of it.
We'll come back to it.
And give people your best advice, and that is when you're going to have a – If you live in Oklahoma or somewhere out in the plains, they know ahead of time.
In fact, I believe Dr. Forbes has taken to creating the TORCON scale, which is the likelihood of a tornado being within, what, 50 miles of you or something like that on a scale of 1 to 5 of it or something like that.
I mean, again, you can't always predict tornado strength.
And I know that some people now, I've watched some of the forecasts in some of the major cities, and the meteorologists will say, well, this right now on radar looks like it's going to be an EF 1 or 2.
And I just cringe.
Yeah, if you're a chaser, you could probably look at the velocity scans and figure out the shear and things like that and look at it and think, well, yeah, this is probably going to be a weak tornado or maybe a strong tornado.
But I think it's a mistake to relate to people that you're thinking it's going to be in EF1 or 2 because it goes back to what I was saying before.
People will stop taking shelter.
They'll say, well, it's just an EF1.
That'll knock my lawn chair over out front.
I don't really care.
And they won't take shelter, which is a big mistake.
You don't want to do that.
The best option is to always take the same type of action you would take, no matter what the tornado is or what they think it's going to be.
And that is underground, like you said.
That is always the safest place to be as an underground, some kind of approved shelter.
And your best chance of surviving a tornado is underground, especially the violent ones.
And they've done this using portable Doppler radars, which is great because they're able to go out to take the radar to the storm instead of letting the storm come to the radar.
And a lot of the folks at NCAR, which is in Colorado, and the University of Oklahoma, and there's probably three or Four more research groups that use portable Dopplers go out.
And they've measured winds well over 300 miles per hour and documented those, which is absolutely incredible.
I was on a tornado near Red Rock.
I don't recall the exact wind speed.
I know it was over 300 miles an hour, but that's just an incredible amount of destruction.
And that's just the winds that they've measured.
I'm sure they can probably top out a little bit higher than that.
And it just depends on how strong those vortices are and what they hit.
And, of course, that's why you'll have the house across the street will be standing, and then the other house will be completely demolished.
But with your very strong, your very wide tornadoes, those usually leave a very wide path of destruction almost within that whole area where the actual tornado is in contact with the ground.
So we have speculated for years about weather control.
And I've often wondered Warren, if it might be possible, if something is out going across the plains, even a big tornado, if it might not be possible, if it was headed toward a city to do something to that tornado, I don't know whether you could detonate something big and either disperse it or change its path or control it in some way.
I'm sure you've wondered and thought about weather control.
There's nothing you can do to, you know, tornado, the storms, the supercells that spawn them are very, very large storms that are large systems.
The tornado is actually a very, very small portion of that storm in the actual circulation.
The mesocyclone, which is the rotating part, the core of the storm that's actually producing the tornado in most cases, is a very large, you know, covers a very large area with inside the storm.
So you would have to disrupt that or you would have to have some kind of vehicle very close to the tornado to figure out.
And people have talked about using laser beams.
And trust me, these are some of the messages I get that just crack me up.
I mean, laser beams and, you know, building, there was a gentleman a few, I think about a year ago proposed building a wall around Oklahoma City to try to stop the circulation.
None of these things are really, you know, maybe Donald.
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It's only good if you could get Texas to pay for it.
I mean, just the physics of it to overcome something like that.
You would have to have something that we simply don't have the technology.
I think if it's ever going to happen, it would be something where they figure out a way to actually reduce the strength of the overall storm and probably prevent it from producing a tornado.
It would probably be difficult in itself, but that would probably be a more logical approach.
And I did go back and check the Red Rock tornado.
I wanted to get this right.
I believe it was 270 miles an hour, the speed they measured.
And again, the country I lived in for quite a number of years, Philippines, they are getting hyphoons now that are said, in fact, they also said it of the one off Baja not long ago, right?
Or down further in Mexico, the one that blew up in virtually one day to a cat five, and then the opposite occurred, and it virtually dissipated in a day.
I mean, you can theoretically have typhoons in the area almost any time of the year.
But one of the big problems is just the population areas.
People want to live near the coast, coastal areas.
There's the major cities, the jobs, all these things.
There are more and more people living in coastal areas.
And the problem is a typhoon that would have hit a specific island or specific area there 10 years ago, the population may have been maybe a third of what it is now.
So as you see that, I mean, you see that in the plains, people moving to more of the major cities and urban sprawl out.
And you're just giving tornadoes or hurricanes just a larger target to hit.
But you always have these anomalies.
We had Hurricane Camille back in 69, and nothing really rivaled it until Andrew, which wasn't as strong.
And then, of course, Katrina, which was, I believe, only ever went up to a category three rating.
So, you know, you have these weather extremes, which is one of the reasons it makes it so fun to follow severe weather because you just never know.
I mean, on any given day or week or month, you may be able to experience one of those extremes.
The scientists are saying that this, we're in the El Niño cycle right now here in the U.S. And they're saying it's one of the strongest they've ever seen.
And, of course, then there's the opposite of that, La Niña.
And they, I guess, cycle back and forth.
But we've got El Niño this year, and it will probably affect my area here, right?
It probably will affect California, but you never know.
There's a lot of patterns that can offset an El Niño.
I believe there was a weak El Nino in 2010, 2012 that was offset by some other things, large-scale atmospheric patterns that changed it.
But you never know, and that's one of the problems.
You may have a strong El Niño.
And the history would say the strong one we had back in, I believe it was, what, 82, 83, which was very strong, and the one in 19, I believe it was 1990, was it 97, both of those very strong, did a lot of damage.
Matter of fact, I think the one in 82, 83 did something like $13 billion in damage worldwide.
So we're talking worldwide consequences with the El Niño.
You're talking about drought in Kenya.
I know that there's millions of people right now I was reading that are threatened by the drought there, fires in Australia.
So a lot of things that happen in El Niño, it's not just about the wetter.
Well, the El Niño is the warming of the eastern Pacific Ocean and areas.
And it happens when the trade winds relax.
And the trade winds circulate, to make this as simple as I can, the trade winds circulate the ocean.
The ocean has a lot of heat.
As a matter of fact, the western portion of the Pacific, the West Pacific, I believe it's called the Western Pacific, I can't think of the name off the top of my head.
It's called a warm pool.
That is an area that is generally circulated.
It circulates around, and the water upwells, and it cools off.
You think of it like a radiator.
When the trade winds relax, then you don't have that circulation.
So the water begins to pile up to the eastern areas.
It becomes warmer.
And when it becomes warmer, it changes all kinds of things.
It changes the configure of the jet stream, which do the low pressure systems move around.
And that's what causes the global weather changes.
In some areas, again, you're going to have temperatures that are very hot and dry.
And in other areas, you're going to have, like California, for example, generally experiences higher rainfall levels.
And the good news, of course, up further north is usually you don't have as many of the polar intrusions.
You don't have those really cold, cold storms.
But that's not to say you won't.
Now, that's what they expect to happen.
And I would say probably, you know, December through February is the big El Nino months, especially when you get into January, February.
So it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
Well, yeah, because you have the mudslides, you have flooding.
We've even had flooding here in Arizona.
That becomes a big problem because California is a lot like Arizona.
It doesn't handle a lot of rain at one time.
It's great to have the slow range, you know, the soaking rains that fill up the reservoirs.
But the problem is with El Niño storms, they have a habit of dropping very large amount of rainfall in very short periods, which leads to a lot of flooding.
And my being there in 1997 and witnessing that and all the other crazy stuff that was going along with it.
Core punching is when you go into the core of a supercell storm, and the core is where you find the largest hell and the heaviest precipitation.
And it's generally the area in a storm that's moving to the northeast, it's generally an area that would be to the front side of a, or I should say the east side of where a tornado may form.
So if you're in that area and you wait too long, there may be a tornado somewhere in there behind you.
Most people don't do that.
There are some chasers who enjoy doing that.
I mean, if you don't like your vehicle and you want to go in there and enjoy nice hell beating your car to pieces, that's where you want to go.
But it is very dangerous because when you get in that area, you're getting very close to where the interface is where you could have a tornado.
And you can have a tornado even embedded in those areas with some storms.
Yeah, I mean, I support 100% a person's right to chase.
I believe if you want to go out there and chase, you should do it.
My rule is you don't put others in dangers.
That includes rescuers that may have to come and get you.
But I support people's right to chase because I've done it myself for many years.
It would be hypocritical for me to say not to do it.
But you can do it responsibly.
You can still do it safely, and then you can still have a lot of fun and beat up your car or do whatever you want.
But it's everybody's thing.
The big problem with chasing right now, it's not the real established chasers, the probably maybe 100, 200 people that have a lot of experience who are fairly responsible.
It's a lot of the locals.
And I'm not trying to put local people down because, you know, hell, if I saw a storm out back and I wasn't a chaser, I'd probably go after it too, just like I would, you know, fire anything.
You'd want to go see what's going on.
But that's the big problem right now are the locals because the locals, most of them don't have radar.
They'll see a report on TV.
They'll go out.
They'll clog the roads.
They park in the roadways and make it difficult.
The El Reno, the example, there was literally a rolling party to the south of that storm we got caught in with people drinking in 20 empty beer cans in the back of their trucks and there were wrecks happening when people were rubbernecking and crashing into each other.
I mean it was like, you know, a mad, mad, mad world if you remember that movie.
It was just crazy.
It was absolutely nuts and we had to a couple times literally drive them through the shoulder of the road almost off the road to get around some of the traffic because there was a second tornado coming towards us at one point.
But that's the big problem right now are the locals who just don't know what they're looking at.
They may park in the road.
They'll walk out into the road.
And that's what's causing the problem.
It's not most of the responsible chasers.
They do a somewhat good job of policing themselves.
They stay off the roads.
They pull off the roads and do a pretty good job.
So yeah, it's becoming a major problem.
And I see the future of something happening, you know, where there's an accident blocking a road and here comes the big tornado down the road and takes a lot of people out.
I've seen that scenario set up many times.
It's just fortunately so far everybody's either been able to get out of the way or the tornado took a different path and missed the traffic jam.
Every movie that I've seen on the subject always seems to concentrate on a group of people who are absolutely intense on setting up a weather station that will be inside a tornado or even themselves getting inside a tornado.
There aren't people out there still trying to do that either.
Well, there's people that try to put probes into tornadoes, into the path of tornadoes.
Let me correct myself there.
That's still done.
There was Project Vortex a few years ago, which had vehicles.
These people are very professional, well-trained, safe.
Putting probes out in the front of a tornado to get data, that's a legitimate pursuit of going out and doing research.
And it's necessary.
Of course, nowadays we have a lot of drones are going to be used here pretty soon.
They're working on drones with instrument packages.
It's all about doing this and doing it and staying alive and being able to get that data without putting humans at risk.
And of course, that's where we start to see problems with people crossing the line when you have people out there who say they're researchers and they're doing all this life-saving work, but they're not actually doing that.
They're trying to generate publicity or income, and that's becoming probably the biggest nightmare in storm chasing right now.
Well, I've been in the circulation of very weak tornadoes, and it wasn't on purpose.
One time we drove real close to a landspout tornado, which is still a tornado, but it's not derived from a really strong mesocyclone, so they're rarely destructive.
And we were actually in that circulation for a little bit on the outside edges of it, but I knew that it wasn't going to be a major tornado.
I could tell the height of the storm and the base and a lot of other things.
But that's something you try not to do because, again, you just don't know how strong a tornado is going to get.
It may start out as an EM0 and suddenly come down, which I've seen them do, into a very, very strong tornado in just a few minutes, if not seconds.
So there's no way to really second-guess how strong a tornado is going to be.
You can look at radar and velocities and things like that, and if you're really good about reading that kind of data, but there's just no guarantee.
You just don't know what's going to happen, what's going to be picked up by the tornado and hurled into you.
So it's not a real good thing to try to actually get into the center of a tornado.
Well, unlike a tornado you would associate with an actual thunderstorm, which is a little bit more, matter of fact, quite a bit more complex.
Dust devils are really simple, just rising thermals that get, usually there's a little bit of wind that begins rotation and the air rises inside and voila, there you've got it.
You've got a tornado, you've got a dust devil.
And they can be quite intense.
I know back in the 1960s or 70s, one of them crashed a refueling jet out here at the military base that flew into it when it was landing.
So they can be very destructive.
They're very fun.
I mean, when I was a kid, I used to ride my bicycle and I'm into them.
I guess that would give you some idea of what I may be doing someday.
You know, it was a lot of fun as a kid getting inside.
Especially if you got inside when you could actually be inside the cylinder and look around and look up.
And, you know, it was kind of fun.
I forgot that you asked me another question there.
You know, generally when you have a hot day, you have the rising air.
And usually there's almost always a little bit of wind associated that'll get them to rotate.
And that's all they are.
They're very simple creations.
There's nothing really, really complex about them.
They can be large and they can be destructive.
I mean, out here in Tucson, a lot of times you'll have sheds that are carried away by tumbleweeds and all kinds of stuff.
But they're generally not a menace.
Now, I actually saw a wreck a few years ago when I was leaving town.
I was only about 10 minutes out on my chase trip when a dust devil crossed the road in front of me and a woman panicked and hit another car and caught a pretty bad accident because of the dust generated by one.
So they can be dangerous.
They hit trucks or cars, especially trucks, high-profile vehicles.
I sometimes wonder when a storm chaser gets his vehicle pounded by giant hail, and it looks awful, and he's standing there talking to the insurance guy.
Well, I've been really good because any hail damage I've ever suffered, I paid for myself.
I didn't go to the insurance company and say, hey, I figured that would be the end of the insurance policy.
A lot of chasers like to keep the hell dents kind of as souvenirs.
I think that's one of the old words we used to call them in the old days.
Chasers flack, but in the old days, you would almost keep those dents in your car.
As a matter of fact, a lot of chasers, if you look at their cars, they don't even bother to fix them.
And matter of fact, if they need a new car, they'll just go over to the car lot there in Oklahoma or Texas and pick up a hell-damaged car and just might as well start out with a few hell dents in it anyways.
Well, it's really hard to tell because when you have a tornado, you have a lot of complex wind fields within the tornado.
You also have downdrafts, outflows that can be mistaken for a tornado.
But generally, if you're near a thunderstorm and you have winds that are changing direction that quickly and from those types of angles, you're usually either very close to a tornado or somewhere in the interface where a tornado is possibly forming.
It's impossible to tell because winds can be very complex in a thunderstorm, especially sounds like you might have been in the front of it.
So you have all kinds of winds come from different directions.
But when you see those winds coming from different angles and increasing, decreasing in speed, that's never a good sign.
That's usually the sign that you're in some kind of an area you shouldn't be.
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There you go.
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt.
And Art, how long have you been?
Now, are you on short?
I'm picking up on WKWN and on shortwave.
Right.
And this is the first night I've heard you in years.
We're on about 50 different radio affiliate stations across the country.
And, of course, we're on the internet everywhere.
So it's kind of like we started out as an internet-only radio program, and we're sort of morphing into, I don't know what.
That's a deal.
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All right.
Well, man, it sure is good to hear you.
Man, it's been years, and I've been wanting to talk to you for years and years and years, but, you know, before when you was just on coast to coast, it was impossible just about to get in.
But my question for your guest is, I don't understand why people around Oklahoma in areas in that particular Part of the country, they keep getting hit so often with tornadoes.
Why do they stay there?
I mean, it's just beyond belief.
Oklahoma City is just like Ground Central.
Maybe your guest can talk to some of these people.
And I have talked to people in Moore, in Oklahoma City, in those areas, who have left.
They've gone.
They're done.
Especially Moore being hit, what, two or three times now.
They're gone.
They're leaving.
They're getting out of there.
But the odds of getting hit by a tornado, I mean, we went through some really weird years here, very, very slim.
But then you have to ask yourself, you know, the other question is why do people live in San Francisco or L.A., which the odds are, right, that it's going to be annihilated eventually.
I mean, it's not if, it's just when.
And, I mean, I always, whenever I'm on the West Coast, I'm always aware of that.
I'm always aware, especially places like San Francisco.
I'm always aware that someday they're going to, it's just inevitable, going to suffer an absolute catastrophic earthquake.
But most people don't, they want to play the odds.
Oklahoma City went many, many, many years without a tornado strike.
I forget how long.
I wrote it in one of my books about how long it had gone.
It was a crazy amount of time until it started getting hit and then getting hit again and again and again.
Most recently, more in the El Reno tornadoes.
But again, I think a lot of it just depended upon where that, a lot of it's just fate.
A lot of it's just bad luck of just having a very strong thunderstorm that produces a very violent tornado go through your area.
Why couldn't it have been 100 miles south or 100 miles north, but the populations are a lot lower?
It's just a very unfortunate thing.
But again, it goes back to what I was saying earlier about the dry line creeping a little bit further to the east and the storms initiating out just far enough so by the time they reach Oklahoma City, they're reaching their maximum potential, and that's generally when they're going to produce the most violent tornadoes.
Okay, real quick, we've covered most things that I wanted to cover.
Wichita, Kansas, you're on the air with Warren.
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Hi.
Hi, Mr. Bell.
I have a question.
I actually live in a smaller town, out of Radon, outside of Wichita.
Okay.
Well, we're right by a refinery, and everybody tells me that the heat from the refinery is actually warming the air to push the tornadoes away.
And I don't know if that's true or they're just screwing with me because I used to live in, I was born in San Diego and then who's telling you this?
Is it the people who work there?
No, my husband's family.
They say, oh, well, the heat is heating up the atmosphere, and it's less likely we'll get hit with something big because the heat will push the cold air away from this area.
It's hard to believe it because, you know, the storms are just so immense and so powerful that I don't think a single refinery is going to probably have any effect on it whatsoever.
I mean, people used to think in Topeka, Kansas, that Burnett Bupa was called Burnett Mound protected the city.
Most major cities have areas like that where they think either a hill or a lake or a factory will protect them, and that's unfortunately usually not the case.
There's just not enough energy coming out of a structure like that to really alter a massive tornado.
That could be very true because you have buildings now that have lightning systems on it where it'll discharge the lightning course into the ground or protect the building.
So it's very possible, though, that storm is making that connection between the ground and the cloud through those towers.
Well, the best thing to do, I could say to storm chasers, you know, from someone who's been doing it for many, many years, is to make sure when you do it, you're not going to hurt anyone else.
That's the big thing, is to make sure that you're not going to do something so stupid that you're going to have to have EMS people come in and rescue you and put themselves in great danger, which happens a lot.
You know, don't be part of the problem.
I mean, you can get as crazy as you want.
Most of the time, people are chasing out in the middle of absolutely nowhere.
I mean, you can get away with all kinds of crazy stuff, but don't danger other people, especially people that aren't chasing.
Pull all the way off the road.
Don't get distracted and do crazy things in your vehicle that could harm someone else.
That would be the number one thing.
I guess number two would be try to give something back to what you're doing.
If you're going to go to a local school and do a safety talk and show some pictures to kids, do something like that, learn to be a spotter, spot your neighborhood or your local area so you can report back what you see.
But try to give something back to humanity.
It's not all about just taking things and pictures and enjoying these things.
But a lot of times the storm's in, you know, by 8 or 9, and you've got all that time afterwards when you're all wound up, so it would be kind of fun to do a show under those conditions.
I mean, even if you at times would have to put down whatever communication device you were using at the time and just sort of let us listen, it would be wild.
I appreciate your being on with us, and we'll do it again sometime.
So the pregnancy was confirmed ten weeks ago at the point she first went to the hospital.
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Hmm.
Yeah.
Don't know what to say there.
Hey, I heard the comment earlier about the lightning protection, and I just wanted to say that we had a company come in and put a system in for us, and it was sort of, the booklet really described how it works, and it was pretty interesting.
They put up these things called spline ball ionizers.
It looks like a dandelion.
That's right.
Yeah.
And as the lightning cloud forms a charge in the sky, it sort of repels the opposite electrons away down in the ground, and so you get this ground charge that forms underneath a charged sky.
And as the storm moves across, it drags this ground charge along with it.
You know, if a storm is just looking for ground, normally, if it sees a metal tower sticking up in the air and it's on ground, it's going to go right there.
But in my case, because I have 13 of these things, I mean, we're talking over 20-some-odd years now, I've never been hit.
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They put in a three-quarter-inch copper pipe in a big ring ground around our entire site, and then that ground from that went up our tower.
We had a 300-foot communications tower, and it went up the tower to these ionizers, and the theory was that it would slowly drain off the ground charge so that there wasn't enough potential for a strike.
You should join what we call the Time Travelers, which allows you to listen to past shows.
I have this doctor, Dr. Jacobs, who believes that, yes, abductions are real, and the purpose of them is to put what are called hybrids or hubrids on Earth, half human, and, well, I don't know if it's half, but part alien, and that it's a virtual invasion of our planet.
And he thinks that's going on.
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Okay.
Now, here's what makes this story extremely interesting.
Here's how this whole thing would usually go down.
It would be me, a little kid, waking up in the middle of the night, and there would usually be at least one being at the foot of my bed.
And I don't know if this was telepathically, because, you know, I mean, this is, I'm 50 years old now, so this is when I was like four years old.
Okay, you see, that's a part of the story that doesn't ring true to me.
If some hooded figure appeared when I was a kid at the foot of my bed, the very last thing in the world that I would do is follow it into the closet because everybody knows that's where you get eaten.
And I would go on IRC chat in some of these UFO style chat rooms on IRC.
Yes.
And I wouldn't necessarily say a whole lot.
You might go in there and talk to people, but I never ever say a thing about me.
Well, one evening I'm in there, and there's this lady that used to go in there all the time, and she starts telling me about when she was a kid, how these deities that were hooded, usually maybe one or two, would come to the foot of her bed and threaten to break her toys or take her toys and would end up going into the closet where she would follow them and either go into a portal or...
Two Trident missiles were launched from a submarine.
The one spectacular one occurred at night.
And, yeah, everybody saw it.
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I saw it too, and I recorded it, but to me, it almost looked like it was opening up a wormhole in the sky, you know, almost like another dimension at one point.
Let me ask you what an earlier caller asked, and the earlier caller asked, knowing that you're right in the middle of where tornadoes go, why don't you move?
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I mean, you look up anywhere, they've all got their climate problems.
But Oklahoma has picked up more climate problems recently.
We've had earthquakes and several of them have gotten in the high threes magnitude.
I know that's a lot for people out in California, but yeah, it's a good point.
But where I live in particular is on the northern half of the city, and the southern half of the city is normally where it cuts through.
Listen, do you blame your earthquakes on fracking?
Is there fracking going on in the area?
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Yes, there is fracking going on in the area.
And I couldn't agree more with that.
And I don't try to hop on those bandwagons all the time, but we had like five earthquakes in the last 15 years, and then major ones anyway, like significant ones you could feel.
And then all of a sudden in 2013, you had like, I think it was like 100 and I don't have the exact numbers, but it was like over 100 earthquakes from May to June in 2013.
I mean, we're talking, I don't have the exact numbers, I'm sure somebody's looking up right now, but it was a substantial jump.
And so one or two things is happening because Oklahoma's in the middle of the plate, the North American plate.
Either the plate's ripping in half, and they're not telling us about it, or it's fracking.
I was talking to my mom earlier today, coincidentally, and I brought up the time that I actually called, actually I probably talked to you in the early 2000s.
And I was one of the last callers.
I was the last caller.
And you asked me to say goodnight to America, and I sure did.
And that was fun.
And I also like the way you used to say, you know, going through interviews with a fine-tooth comb.
I don't know how you said it, but anyways, I always love that little phrase you did with the fine-tooth comb.
It's just great.
I want to say that you're like a father figure to me.
My dad wasn't really around much, and you really helped develop my voice as far as standing up for myself and those sort of things and debating and your sort of yes, sir, and your attorney approach to things.
It seems, anyways, I think very highly of you.
I do want to ask you a couple things.
I'm a big fan of Alex Jones as well.
And he's my age, and I've been following him very closely because he gets a lot of, I want to see for myself if he was lying or he's telling the truth.
And I can tell you most of the things he says come to pass.
A few times in the past, few shows in the past, you had made mention of wondering if there was a real discovery of aliens, what that would do to people who were religious or, you know, the answer is a lot of bad stuff.
I have had religious people that I've talked to, just the discovery of aliens, as long as they're, say, 15 light years out, they might handle that.
But if, you know, if the aliens came down, landed, and made no reference to God, nor even worship of anything, there would be serious, serious trouble.
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And see, I don't understand that because, you know, when it comes to the Bible, you have to understand that, you know, it was written for us.
And just because things exist outside of what's in the Bible doesn't mean that God doesn't exist or that it should rock your faith.
If you believed, I guess you would have to have great faith yourself that there is but one God and that that God would be recognized everywhere by all intelligent beings and if not it would it would open some I think pretty serious questions in your mind hello there wherever you are you're on air yes Art yes Mr. Collins,
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you have a great, great actually, let me rephrase that, you have the greatest show, and you're the greatest communicator and investigative journalist I've ever heard.
But I knew that this was a heavy car, and I knew it was fast, so I proceeded to accelerate, and I got my speed right at the 100 mark, maybe a few miles over 100.
Well, you know, time slows down for people facing immediate death.
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That's a good point.
Yes, it is.
And what happened was it was approximately, I'm counting, recollecting about four seconds, maybe a little more, maybe a little less.
And then suddenly I was exiting this vacuum I was in, and my car started, it started like shaking so violently that I actually thought I was going to lose control and get taken away.
But our best evidence indicates that it's probably the wastewater well injections, which are a pretty recent technology that could be contributing to the earthquakes, right?
But fracking itself has been around for a very long time.
Well, none of us are going to live long enough to make it to the next category, but we can imagine them.
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Oh, yeah, we can.
Like I said the other night, I'm an atheist, and that's not really, I guess it is a faith, but my only faith is that my soul is mine, and I don't want to give it to nobody on off chance.
So, you know, I picture you in the crypt with your hands around your soul holding on, not letting it go anywhere.
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Maybe, I don't know.
But that's another point, too, is that, you know, through everything we've listened to, on one hand, you have the scientists who, you know, think that everything was as small as a cork and blew up.
And then you have, I don't care, you know, all walks of religion, and they think that some almighty being created it in seven days.
Why can't we just take the middle path and say, we don't know?
No, I remember you mentioning that earlier tonight on five acres or something like that.
I'm going, well, this is really something because I worked with an engineer, electrical engineer, that he had a cabin up in the way up in the mountains in Mount Pinos, up near the, just off the top of the grapevine, you know, off I-5 north of L.A. And yeah, his house was the highest one in this development.
And I designed a plumbing system for him and a heating system for him because he was building it all custom.
And it was a really unusual place.
But anyway, because it was built on the side of a mountain.
And he says basically if you have a metal, a grounded metal rod up above the roof of the house, the house will be protected underneath that metal grounded rod, you know, sort of at a 45 degree angle.
I'm waiting for him to bring me gold, and he's never done it.
He promised to bring me gold, remember?
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Oh, yeah, I do kind of remember that.
So, no, I'm waiting for the gold.
The other thing is Toyota's test marketing hydrogen fuel cells in the Southern California market, and I think that would be a really interesting subject.