Dr. Tess Gerritsen, Stanford-educated bestselling author and UCSF-trained physician, discusses her research behind Gravity—including NASA’s Johnson Space Center—and the unsettling parallels with Warner Bros.’ 2013 film, which ignored her original script despite striking similarities. Her lawsuit failed due to corporate legal loopholes, exposing Hollywood’s IP theft trends where writers lose all cases in California’s Ninth Circuit. Gerritsen explores the Nephilim as a metaphor for genetically predisposed sociopaths, blending biblical themes with conspiracy theories about unseen forces, from premonitions to alleged "egregori" influence in lawsuits. While skeptical of supernatural claims, she acknowledges eerie human instincts and institutional corruption, warning aspiring creators about relinquishing creative control to corporations. Ultimately, her work reflects a tension between empirical science and the enduring allure of unexplained phenomena. [Automatically generated summary]
I know elsewhere that have a lot too much of it, but here in the desert, it's very rare.
It is storming in the mountains, so to say a prayer for the microwave shot.
I'm sure it'll be fine.
Two rules for this program.
I have only two rules.
One is only one call per show.
And the other is no bad language.
No bad language.
One damn call per show.
That's it.
Oh, I just looked over at the wormhole very quickly.
And somebody just typed, Art, my wife is a shadow person.
Where did that come from?
Hangover from last week.
My wife is a shadow person.
Good Lord.
We did, I'm Married to an Alien last Friday for fun.
I need to interview you, sir.
All right, so let's see, where to go?
Lots of news to talk about.
CNN did a story, actually continuing coverage of the shootings in Oregon.
Horrible.
Right?
Horrible.
But they did something tonight that I have never seen on CNN before.
May never see again, so I'm going to note it.
Of course, what they do is, you know, they talk about the shooter.
You know how it goes.
We have so many of these shootings now.
You know how it goes, right?
They find out all they can about the shooter, and you're told that, and you're told then about the victims, but not any personal information on the victims because it's too early.
And then a few days later, you begin hearing from the victims' families, and they had one of those interviews on.
And I don't think they expected it to go the way that it did.
But they were interviewing the relative of one of the victims, and they asked him about guns, expecting the usual anti-gun answer.
And this guy stood there and said, we don't have a gun problem in America.
We have a mental health problem.
And I swear to God, if I didn't know that it was a hard screen, I would have jumped into the TV and kissed the guy in the cheek.
I can't believe somebody finally said it.
I'm sure CNN had no idea what to do with it, but he said it.
He said the truth.
And that is the truth.
We have a mental health problem.
Guns rarely jump up and do damage on their own.
But we did damage when we emptied out the mental asylums.
And yes, they can lay their hands on guns and do bad things with them if they're mentally ill, which as a general rule in these incidents, they are.
Healthy-minded people don't go out and just sort of, you know, shoot strangers.
They just don't do it.
In South Carolina, big, big, big trouble.
They're calling this a thousand-year storm.
With global warming, probably it'll become a 500-year storm and then a 250-year storm and so forth.
But it is awful.
Thousands of people with no running water.
Try it.
Try living with no running water.
What do they say about all the water around and not a drop to drink, not even close?
You can't even really walk in it.
A lot of sewage in there, and it's awful.
And it's going to get worse.
The rain is occurring upstate, and it's coming down the tributaries to the rivers, to the dams, over Creek Dam just bleached a few hours ago.
And it's going to get worse before it gets better.
They're calling it a billion-dollar disaster.
That used to be a lot of money.
I guess a billion-dollars is not what it once was.
Millions, certainly not at all, what it once was, right?
I feel so sorry for the people in that area.
And if we had open lines, I would be asking for somebody in that area to call and see how it's going.
It's not going well, that's for sure.
So that's awful.
The captain of a 790-foot El Faro, that's the big ship that went down.
They were trying to get away from Hurricane Joaquin, but they had some kind of mechanical failure.
It was a container ship, and it was loaded with cars and containers.
And according to the Coast Guard, it's probably all hands lost.
It's down in 15,000 feet of water.
So I'm afraid we're not going to hear any more about that.
Let's see.
From theanomalous.com.
Oh, no, before I even get to that, I have something I want you to see.
This is on my website.
Now, you never know about these kinds of things, but this comes from Thailand.
It's a brand new photograph.
And I'm telling you, you've never seen anything like this in your life.
This creature that we have a very, very clear photograph of was born of a buffalo.
A former U.S. Navy pilot says that a huge fireball maneuvered above the Hanford atomic plant during World War II.
First attempted intercept of a UFO by a military fighter.
Question mark.
The UFO Chronicles Robert Hastings digs up one of the earliest reported sightings of a UFO over our nuclear facilities, the Hanford Plutonium Production Plant in Washington State.
Happened on three different nights in January of 1945 before Hiroshima and Nagasaki, according to a former U.S. Naval Lieutenant, junior grade Clarence R. Budd Clem.
The report is backed up, in fact, by an official document from the headquarters of the 4th Air Force.
All right, what else?
Football.
I don't know how many of you know, I'm a big football fan.
New Miami Dolphins coach, Dan Campbell, believes that his underachieving team needs to be more aggressive.
In fact, he has aggressiveness that stops just short of dirty play.
So in other words, he's picking up the Raiders playbook, right?
And he looks forward to breaking up a few fights in practice.
And then they will take out whatever it is and examine it.
Hmm, wonder how much we can get for this.
And so they'll usually look it up on the internet, come up with a price, and then tell you how much they want personally, and then how much the government wants.
And let's go back and talk about the research you did for the book, Gravity.
I mean, you know, you're a doctor, sure, and you had the biological, you know, the medical part of it down, but you could not possibly have known all the aerospace stuff that was in there.
Yeah, well, it started off with this idea of a disaster aboard the International Space Station.
And this was back in 97 when I got the idea.
Now, I'm a doctor.
I had the science, physics, chemistry, et cetera, leading up to medical school.
But I didn't know much about aerospace medicine.
I was just, I was a Star Trekie like everybody else I knew.
So it started off the way I always research my books, which is just I dive into it with a lot of reading.
I spent about five months just reading about astronaut training, about NASA, about aerospace medicine, and then eventually you need to go to the source.
And one of the things I've learned, because I was an anthropology major in college, is to understand the culture of the people you're about to talk to.
So I picked up the phone and I called up the public affairs officer at NASA, at Johnson Space Center.
And the conversation went something like this.
I'm going to write a thriller about the International Space Station.
Can you help me?
And he said, tell me what your book is about.
And I said, well, there's a disaster in space and it kills everybody but my heroine.
And he said, do you know what the purpose of my office is here?
It's to make my organization look good.
What else happens in your story?
And I said, a shuttle crashes on landing, killing everybody aboard.
And he said, I don't think we want to cooperate.
And I said, wait, wait, wait.
Everything that goes wrong in my book is not your fault.
NASA does everything right.
And he said, whose fault is it?
And I said, it's the military's.
And he said, when would you like to come?
So what I had learned earlier is that there's this inherent tension between military space and civilian space.
I think what was cool was just understanding engineers, understanding the language, because they do speak a completely different language from us.
NASA is also known as the National Acronym Slinging Agency.
And so you have to understand the language.
And really immersing myself so deeply into the space program that by the end of writing the book, and this was two years later, every night I would dream I was weightless.
So that is how thoroughly immersed it became.
And, you know, when I do these research Trips, a lot of it has to do with finding out details that bother me, that freak me out.
As an example, it's got to be freaky for the astronauts to know when they're strapped in and about to blast off that the news agencies have already written their obituaries.
I read something the other day that I thought was kind of interesting.
Did you know, this is just a stupid obscure fact, that in the case of nuclear war, they had gone to believe it or not, Arthur Godfrey, who recorded an end-of-the-world thing to be played to the American people in case, you know, we were about to all die.
And they had a script written by a wonderful screenwriter named Michael Goldenberg, who wrote the script for Contact.
Oh, man.
Yeah, that was a good movie.
So the script came back, and there was little concern because the third, he followed the book very closely.
And that was part of the problem, was the third act in the book, as maybe you remember, is really medical.
A procedure is done on the heroine and saves her life.
And that's not really cinematic.
So I said, hey, I can fix your third act.
And I rewrote the third act.
And in my third act, a satellite is shot down, the debris destroys the International Space Station, and the heroine is left drifting in her space suit.
It has to be seen in 3D because that's really how it works.
I think he did a great job as a director.
I had quibbles with the science and with the character of Sandra Bullock, but the directing itself looked pretty darn amazing.
So I went home and I just, people asked me, you know, was that based on your book?
And I thought, I can't prove that it is.
So I just said, despite all the similarities, from what I've told, it's not based on my novel.
Although there was a journalist in South Africa who wrote a column that said this was Hollywood's biggest ripoff.
He said that the movie was a reader's digest condensed version of the book.
So I just decided there's nothing I could do about it.
I avoid conflict anyway.
I've never sued anybody.
And then I got a phone call.
And this is where it turns into a John Grisham novel.
My agent called me and she said that she had just spoken to, let's call this person Deep Throat.
Deep Throat contacted her.
This was somebody who was in the industry who had incredibly detailed information and said essentially that when my book was in development to make a movie, Alfonso Cuaron was attached to be the director for my film.
I kept my distance because I did not, I never spoke to Deep Throat.
I did not want there to look like any collusion between me and this person.
But I will say that Deep Throat signed a sworn affidavit with all these things.
So we, I mean, this person would have gone to jail if there had been a lie in the sworn affidavit.
And this person knew what was going on and even told us where all the paperwork would be found, told us where all the documentation would be found, but we had to go to Discovery to get it.
Yeah, but their feeling is that the obligations did not transfer even though the assets did.
I see.
So my understanding is that this is done often.
This is what corporations do.
This is why they have shell companies.
So papers were flying back and forth.
There was a lot of press.
I was demonized, of course.
I was the greedy, lying writer.
And a little over a year later, the judge agreed with the Warner Brothers side And dismissed it.
Now, at that point, I had a choice.
I could go on to appeal, which is what my lawyer wanted to do.
My lawyer has actually won a case before the U.S. Supreme Court, and he was anxious to.
He said, I think we can go ahead and do this.
But what I foresaw was that even when you win an appeal, you still have to go back to the original court.
You still end up with the original judge.
So we'd end up with her again, number one.
And number two, if we got to the point where they realized they were going to lose, we'd go to settlement, and I would be required to sign that non-disclosure agreement, which I did not want to do.
So I decided to pull out and, you know, preserve my right to talk about it.
And also, you know, the idea of going for years and years and years, which is what these lawsuits run.
Yeah, the legal system is, well, it's not just the lawyers.
The legal system is stacked for the site, and certainly in the Ninth Circuit in Los Angeles.
Oh, now, here is a statistic that shocked me.
Okay, there's an entertainment attorney that did a recent study of all the intellectual property lawsuits by writers against Hollywood Studios in Los Angeles, Ninth Circuit.
Over the last two decades, 50 lawsuits, not a single writer won.
The studios won everything consistently.
And these lawyers are saying there's something very strange going on in the Ninth Circuit.
You know, I'm sure some of these writers are probably crackpots, but some of them were very well-respected screenwriters with credits who went up against studios, including the writers who wrote the screenplay for The Last Samurai.
You know, they submitted it and were told, no, we're not interested.
And a couple years later, the studio came out with The Last Samurai about an American soldier who goes to fight in Civil War-era Japan.
But I mean, as you're well aware, you've said it, when a big movie comes out and a lot of money's online, there are always people coming forward saying, I have been ripped off.
And let me tell you, this has thrown a shudder through all entertainment lawyers in Los Angeles that now the lawyer is personally liable for taking on a case.
And this is their way of just saying, don't you dare sue us.
There is a definite transfer clause in there that whoever takes over a new line was supposed to take over the obligations.
But apparently, this judge did not think that was true.
So the other thing that's interesting is that there have been the only successful lawsuits that I'm aware of were filed outside the state of California.
There was a case called Backdraft, the writers, but they sued in New York State, and they were successful there.
So there's something, again, I keep saying there's something strange about the Ninth Circuit, that Hollywood area.
The studios are so powerful, and I was sort of getting hints about other weird things that were happening there.
A lawsuit is not only expensive and probably not going to go well and all the rest of it and goes on for years, but there is an emotional toll that it takes.
Yes, I took my mother's ashes back to China after she died.
So we went through the whole Buddhist ceremony.
I didn't understand anything, but certainly part of it was burning paper money for her spirit and making sure that she was well taken care of and making sure that the proper prayers were told and all the ceremony was done.
And interesting things that happened because of the village she came from in that when we carried her ashes, she had to be carried in shadow.
So everywhere we went with her urn, there was an umbrella over it.
You know, just various things that, you know, think about it, were very touching.
But also strange things like when you leave a cemetery in that village, you must announce that you are going so the spirits know that you are leaving, otherwise they'll follow you.
So we lined up at the cemetery gates, and as we were leaving, we'd all turn around and say, I'm leaving now to tell the spirits, you know, stay where you are, I've got to go home.
And in the midst of this lawsuit, I got contacted by several people who worked in Hollywood.
And I'm going to paraphrase some of the messages they gave me because they are kind of freaky.
One person said that she wanted to impart some secret information that the major studios, including powerful insiders, use egregori in legal matters like these.
Hollywood is an oligarchy, and that includes the judicial system.
Before your next round of litigation, seek the input of a skilled LHP practitioner.
You cannot win without challenging that part of their defenses.
I know this, trust me.
So at that point, I thought, okay, Edregori, that's a very familiar word for me because I've actually used this in another book.
But LHP threw me for a loop.
I did not know what that was.
And I had to dig a little bit to find out what LHP is.
It's, I have, let me, I had to go through the inter to look this up.
The left-hand path.
It originates from Hindu, and it refers to belief systems and religions that see themselves as the darker side.
In other words, there are some definitions that say LHP is Satanism.
And there is a quote I found somewhere that many LHP private and secret groups of an extreme nature to further the self in monetary power and influence terms will gather together.
They are old boys networks, and membership is only granted to those considered to have attained a certain level of wealth and power.
This is a cult.
So I thought, oh, that's kind of creepy, but, you know, I don't believe this stuff.
And then I got other contacts from other different people, completely different people, who said, here's one.
And you just heard that person say something about Egregori.
Here's another one.
I recommend you consult with a practitioner of the occult before you go round two with Warner Brothers.
All major studios are protected by Egregori.
Again, that word.
It's a system of demonic entities, the same power that surrounds the music industry.
Do your research.
Ask trusted friends.
So there you go.
And, you know, I sort of like threw this stuff out because at this point, I was like trusting my lawyers, right?
And I kept thinking, oh, there's a chance we could still win.
But after that judge gave that really startling ruling, which my lawyer was appalled by.
He said, I cannot believe she did this.
And I've heard from multiple entertainment attorneys who said they are shocked by how my case turned out.
Sure.
And then hearing from all these people saying, you can't win, you can't win because you didn't go to the right practitioners, I am thinking, this is weird.
Maybe it's worth a book, but it's also something that I've been thinking about for a long time.
I mean, I just, I entertain them because they give me a chill and because sometimes I think, I wouldn't be surprised if there are Satanists in Hollywood.
I really would not be surprised.
And there have been rumors about it for a long time, that people sell their souls to become famous.
Do I believe in it?
No, I don't.
But I believe that there are people in Hollywood who believe it.
I believe that there are people in Hollywood who probably practice this sort of stuff because it's true for them.
You know, I've heard, well, okay, that gets to something else.
I've heard that from many, many of my readers because of another book I wrote.
But no, this is the kind of thing where, and I've heard these rumors before about Hollywood.
You know, that if you look at certain movies, you can always find the tilted pentagram hidden in various images.
But it's something that, you know, late at night when you have a bottle of scotch in front of you with a good friend over the table, you can both scare each other to death.
Well, you know, I started, I did this exploration of this whole, I told you that egregori was not a strange word to me, that I had used it before, because of a book that I had written earlier that dealt with exactly this topic.
And some of the communications I got from that were even stranger.
I have a couple of theories, but they tend to be very boringly scientific.
I believe that there's a certain percentage of people who are simply sociopaths.
And, you know, when you look, there's a wonderful book called The Better Angels of Our Nature.
I don't know if you've heard about that.
It's about the history of human violence.
And the author was quoting some archaeological evidence that said when you dig up bones, prehistoric bones of humans, in 15, at least 15% of them, you find evidence on the skeletons of homicide.
So you're talking about a baseline 15, you know, a death rate of 15% homicide.
We're not even talking about soft tissue injuries, which you would not find on skeletons.
So as a baseline, humans are very, very violent.
We kill each other on an astonishing percentage.
And our current time is the safest in all of human history.
Even when you take into account World War II and the massive numbers of deaths during that war, the 20th century was still the safest century in history.
So you think about once you remove civilization, once you remove culture and society, and we revert back to our native animalistic tendencies, we are terrible, terrible creatures.
Look, I can look at most murders and I can find motive which doesn't explain, but it gives you a satisfaction of understanding why.
Yes.
But we have entered this era now where we have people walking into, for example, schools in Oregon and just randomly killing as many people as possible.
While the overall numbers might be going down, it might be a safer world, this particular kind of crime is increasing and very, very difficult to explain, except by talking about mental illness.
And I think you may have heard in my open, I mentioned on CNN they interviewed one of the relatives and wrote and said it's not a gun problem.
Well, you know, just to put it in some perspective, Captain Cook noticed when he was in the Malacca Islands centuries ago that there is a certain phenomenon of what we would call gun amok.
And that is actually the word, amok.
And when he was describing it among, it always happened among young men.
It's always males for some reason.
Yes.
And, of course, in Malacca, they would go around with machetes and they would just kill everybody they could get their hands on on the street.
So the only thing he could come up with was they tended to be single males and they had anger issues and they had a weapon in their hand And they would do mass murder.
So the number of murders just happens to correlate with how deadly your weapon is.
But this kind of behavior is seen in every single culture around the world.
It's happened for centuries.
And yes, it is a mental health issue.
It seems to be these disaffected, unattached males who just don't have anything solid in their lives, and they go nuts.
As a physician and a scientist, if we were able to identify a genetic marker that would probably say there's a high chance or a high probability somebody will do something like this, what would you say we should do?
They just, well, they care about whether it hurts them, the consequences hurt them.
But it needs to be impressed upon them that there are consequences because we cannot start infringing on people's civil liberties just because they have the potential or violence.
In other words, genetic science may get good enough to eventually give you an awfully high probability, and then society is going to have to do some pretty deep thinking.
The book of Enoch, Enoch, by the way, is a really holy, wonderful man who was said to have walked with God.
He is in the line from Adam.
I think he's like six or seven generations away from Adam.
And he talks about these things called fallen angels.
And the quote is like this.
And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters.
And the angels, the children of the heavens, saw and lusted after them and said to one another, Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget children.
They were, first of all, described as being very, very big.
And they were also said to afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth.
So these creatures, the children of these angels, were called the Nephilim, which depending on how you defined it, it could either be known as giants or they could be translated as the fallen.
But their parents, these angels, were also called the Watchers or the Grigori.
And they are the ones who perform egrigori, this magic that supposedly protects Hollywood.
So it all sort of ties in together.
Anyway, so I did this book called the Mephisto Club because I thought, okay, let's make this, let's go scientific here.
Let's assume that these legends of the Nephilim actually are based on something biological.
Maybe this is a tribe of sociopaths.
Maybe because sociopathy is genetic, what the ancient Jews were seeing, they were thinking that they were seeing evil creatures when actually it's just a tribe of people who are sociopaths who do horrible things.
And sociopaths are also known to be quite charming and quite seductive, which is how the Nephilim are described.
And let's say that they are still among us.
This genetic line is still among us.
And nowadays we still have the Nephilim among us.
And in fact, if you look at biblical literature, the Nephilim still are among us.
They were so evil that God apparently decided to wipe them out.
So that was part of the reason for Noah's flood.
But he allowed 10% of them to survive, to remain among man as evil creatures, to tempt us, to cause, to wreak havoc, and they still are among us.
So that is something that is already on the internet.
I mean, these conspiracy theorists are all over the place.
And yet, and yet, I get, and we're going to talk about this later, I get correspondence, again, from people, and among them are people who say, you wrote your book, I read your book, you have saying bad things about us.
You know, I mean, I kind of am on the side of the people who wrote you those emails saying, you know what, you really should have employed both the legal side and the other side, as it were.
And one of them, somebody who says, I think this person is trying to say that she's partnering, she says, trust me, you really don't want to annoy them or make any of them feel really threatened by masses of stupid humans.
It's not a good idea.
So from their point of view, and here we're going through history, we're going through biblical texts that say they're bad, they're evil, they brought weapons, they cause wars.
And the other side is that the Nephilim, or the self-identified Nephilim, are writing me to say those who write the history books tell lies, that we're the good guys.
And you aren't hearing the other side of what's really the truth.
So it's a fascinating thing where you have two stories.
And maybe it is that we have been hearing about.
If they're with us, maybe they're not as bad as they say.
Now, here's one of the, really, it's practically a scientific treatise that was sent to me by Anephilim about where they come from and what they're doing and why they have mated with us.
And this particular woman traces her line back through Hungary all the way back to the Sumerians.
And she says that around 70,000 years ago, there was a natural disaster.
There was a volcano that, a supereruption in Indonesia.
Have you heard about this, the Lake Toba super eruption?
So the human population, or what was essentially the human population, dropped drastically to maybe just a few thousand individuals.
And when you look at human genetics, you do find that a lot of the Y chromosomes all originated with one individual somewhere around 70,000 years ago.
So we were on the edge of extinction, according to not just this woman, but biologists.
So this person said that's when the Nephilim stepped in and said, well, should we help the human race survive?
Let's mate with them.
And that's where she sees the legends coming through, is that they decided to mix their genes with us, and we were able to bounce back after that 70,000-year disaster.
So by introducing their stronger genetics, they helped the human race survive.
But now they are facing the aftermath, which is, oh, humans are not as good as we thought they would be.
They cause wars.
They're horrifying things.
Maybe every so often we should have a cull.
And she says that diseases have been introduced by the Nephilim, like plagues.
They introduce strife into areas that need culling or are considered morally bankrupt.
No, I know about it, but I have not run into it yet.
She says that they also introduce natural disasters and that the collapse of La Palma, which is that volcano off the Canary Islands, that caused tsunamis, is going to be the next call.
It's going to take out evil Manhattan.
So they identify pockets of trouble by installing watchers, which she said, well, it's really eerie, but that's just like that of your Mephisto Club.
The watchers are there.
They have egregori networks.
They're able to communicate with each other's minds.
Don't annoy them or you'll get into trouble.
And that they are always constantly monitoring what human beings are doing.
And because I guess we're considered the mass unwashed, that sometimes have to be taken out.
So the general feeling is that the Nephilim are really here to keep an eye on Earth to make sure we don't get out of control, but also they feel that they are victims because they are abused and they are persecuted by human beings.
So that is that point of view.
It's always the victim's point of view, right?
You have to look at that side.
Now, let's look at the human point of view, which is where I got most of my emails from.
People who say, I can recognize them.
I can see them.
I can look into their eyes and know who's who.
And I believe you've had a couple of guests who can see evil, right?
So I was, you know, getting really kind of monitoring a lot of this stuff, but some of the personal stories that were told to me face-to-face by people I know really, really kind of freaked me out.
Maybe I'm fearless that way or stupid, but I am not.
I don't feel that people really want to harm me.
I never have felt that way.
And I feel that when Nephilim, or I keep saying Nephilim, but they're self-identified Nephilim, reach out to contact me, it's for a benevolent purpose.
If you got on the wrong side of somebody or somebody who thought they were part of that group, but maybe actually weren't, it wouldn't matter much, would it, if they took action?
So the other thing that this writer said to me, which I found interesting, was she said that Nephilim, I think they're known for shapeshifting.
Yes.
And their favorite animals are cats.
Cats don't show their age, and they are able to sort of slip in and out very quietly.
So that's one of the reasons they choose to shapeshift as cats.
So let's go to the other side, as I was saying.
The people who can see evil or what they detect as evil.
Now, here's something where I actually believe there's scientific basis for.
It's been known that dogs can detect aggression.
And I've heard this again and again, but a dog, somebody said that he had guests over and somebody brought a friend and the dog immediately, you know, the hair rose up on the back of his neck and he started to bark and there was this one person the dog did not like.
And it turned out that person actually had a criminal record for dogs.
One, I'm not going to be able to cure real quickly.
One more time, Tess, are you there?
No, we've lost Tess.
So let me invite, between now and the top of the hour, a few of you to call in, if you like, and comment on what you've heard thus far.
And then I'll call Tess back at the top of the hour instead of trying to do it right now.
So any of you who would like to comment on what you've heard, particularly about the evil and or the Nephilim, or for that matter, commenting on what happened with gravity, I'd be more than happy to hear from you.
And you can call our national number.
Anyway, I was about to open the lines for TESS anyway.
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That's area code 952-225-5278.
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In other words, the fact that we lost TESS could indicate a further or bigger problem that I'm not aware of.
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Hello.
Last name's on the air.
unidentified
Sorry about that, but I did that for a reason only because of what Tess was talking about.
I just tuned in as she was mentioning an 0 and 50 rate with loss rate for writers against the studios.
Well, yes, well, they probably will bring you to a standstill as well.
And I'm not in the business of giving out advice here, but I will tell you, and I told her and mentioned to her, that the emotional price that you're going to pay for what you're doing is going to be extremely high.
So you've got to be prepared for that.
I take it you are.
unidentified
Well, that's a great point, Ark.
And I take what you say is very, very accurate, right?
We're somewhat both at standstills, but I chose the route of going, doing my own thing as that entity, all right, with a book and all that.
And I'm not calling into hype all that.
I'm just talking in the big picture here.
So all we can do is see what happens as it comes to the reality of, shall we say, an LG movie.
Before you decide to take on something like she took on or any gigantic litigation, you really, your lawyer, if he's worth two cents, has got to sit you down and tell you about what you're going to face.
And what you're going to face is going to be, I'll call it Almost emotional Armageddon.
What you're going to have to go through is emotionally ripping.
It will take part of your life, and that's part of your life.
You will never get back win-lose or draw.
Let's go to Eric on Skype.
Hello, Eric.
unidentified
All right.
Yes.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah, the guy that I met, I didn't really sense evil so much as just pure sociopath.
I mean, it was like I was sitting across a table from an octopus.
There's absolutely no sense in these people of right, wrong, or anything.
It's just not there.
It's like they're flat.
It's like, I don't know.
It's hard to even put into words, but yes, you certainly sense it.
And I don't think you have to be a dog with extrasensory perception to know it when you're in the presence of it.
But she was right.
Dogs do sense these things and a lot more.
I was about to tell her about a 2020 piece, I think, pretty sure it was, in which they monitored dogs at home.
And they could tell when, you know, they would start the boss, you know, the owner of the home, coming home at some ridiculous time when they wouldn't normally come home during the day.
And the dog knew it instantly and somehow would start getting agitated and be waiting by the door.
And so that's a type of extrasensory perception.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
I remember that.
Yeah.
Do you?
I remember that.
And my wife and I, if she's sad, it's the most bizarre thing.
Yeah, I was sitting there reading one day, just out of nowhere, I just became terribly sad.
And I called my wife, I'm like, are you okay?
She said, yeah, my patient's son was yelling at her.
Well, you know, we were starting to talk about, I think we were in the middle of talking about dogs.
I was mentioning to you when we got cut off that 2020 did a very interesting piece years ago on dogs.
And what they would do, Tess, is they'd get the dog of the house, and then they'd bring the owner home at unexpected, completely weird times of the day, you know, like two or three hours after he went to work, he comes home.
And they would have cameras on these dogs.
And the dogs would know that the owner is on the way home.
They would start to get agitated.
They'd go to the door.
They'd be barking.
It was wild.
It showed, it proved that dogs had some sort of, some kind of ESP.
Well, they certainly have the sense of smell is what I think they are detecting in aggression.
I think we give off, I think people who are bound for violence give off some sort of extra scent that dogs can detect and back away and are cautious about.
And, you know, I think people, now, when we sense evil, and this is a story that was told to me by a colleague that she had a workman coming in to do something at the house, and her five-year-old girl saw the man and pulled her mother aside and says, Mommy, that's a bad man.
And she just saw him.
And the woman later, she left the house with her child and found out that this workman had just gotten out of prison after assaulting his wife.
So this little girl who'd never seen this man before immediately picked up on something.
And it's this, we do have a sense of aggression.
I think that some of us are more in touch with it than others.
And it's the thing that makes you step out of an elevator when somebody steps in and you just feel something bad is going to happen.
And, you know, and then there are the stories that I got a lot of about people seeing reptilian eyes since I knew that there was something different about this person and then backing away.
But, you know, there are a lot of crazy people out there, too.
Yeah, I met a guy that I felt like I was sitting across the table from an octopus.
I mean, there was no, he was just pure psychopath, and I felt like the only reason he didn't kill me was because he wasn't, you know, he just didn't feel like it.
And you're almost, you're just about ready to pull the trigger, and instantly, somehow, that buck raises his head up, is alerted, and starts to run away.
Well, it's too late, of course.
The 30 out 6 finds him very quickly, and he's dead.
But there was something that that animal sensed just before the bullet hit the bone.
And I guarantee you, I don't know if there's a full moon or what, but generally around full moons, we had an awful lot more, we had full waiting rooms of people in the emergency room.
Yeah, I mean, that was something that we commented on sometimes, that it felt like it was a full moon because the ER was busy or crazy things happened on the full moon.
I don't know whether anybody's actually done, I seem to remember there was somebody who tallied ER visits with the cycles of the moon and could not find anything.
I know that this is a long-term belief among emergency workers that the full moon affects people, but I haven't found any studies that say that's absolutely true.
It says that the one I have seen has said that maybe these were college students who were totally unstressed, so they didn't have that hypervigilant aspect that you're talking about.
I think that, you know, I dive into somebody else's head and I start to write, and I think, well, what do they believe?
How do they think?
It's the same way as writing a book about serial killers.
You know, I have To get into the head of the killer and figure out how do you, you know, when you walk down the mall and you're looking at other people and you are a predator, you don't look at the child the same way that the rest of us do.
You look at the child and see, is he alone?
Is anybody watching him?
Is he grabbable?
So it really, I think, is very much a case of empathy and being able to understand how other people live and think.
I lived, Tess, in Santa Barbara, California at one point.
And I had a beautiful little, I lived by myself.
I had a little garden apartment.
And I had some sliding doors in my apartment.
And through those doors, you could look out across the grass at the street.
And I would park my car, and you were allowed to, on the street, right?
And literally in front of those sliding glass doors.
And then I had the curtains closed.
So I wasn't always looking out and allowing people to look in.
I had the curtains closed.
And I came home one day, Tess, this is, I swear to God, the truth.
Or I swear to anybody you think is important that it's the truth.
I sat down to watch TV.
I was watching the evening news.
I even say the news capture.
It was so long ago, and it would date me.
And something came washing over me, Tess, like waves hitting me.
Somebody saying, your car's going to get hit.
Something's going to happen to your car.
It's going to get hit.
So I went, oh, I said a bad word.
Walked over, opened the curtains, looked out at my car, and it was fine.
I said another bad word, went back and sat down to watch the news.
Here it comes again, washing over me.
Get up, get up.
Something's going to happen to your car.
Another bad word.
Go over and I look at my car.
It's fine.
Third time.
Tess, this is the truth.
Third time.
I mean, it was so overwhelming that you could not ignore it.
Finally, I went over, opened my curtains, slid the door open, watched as a guy walked down the path next to my apartment, which went down to the street.
He got in the car in front of mine, started the engine, put it in reverse, and hit my car.
It so shocked me, Tess, that I sank to my knees.
But not so much that I wasn't smart enough to get up and say, hey, I saw that.
As a doctor, I saw a lot of things I could not explain when I was working in the hospital.
I had a patient who was getting ready, you know, he was recovered, he was about to be discharged the next day, and he suddenly collapsed and died in his room.
And his family, which was out shopping that day, suddenly came rushing back into the hospital.
Nobody had called them.
They were not alerted to it.
They just knew in the middle of their shopping trip that dad had died.
Well, you know, they came running back in.
And I remember all of us thinking, holy, you know, how did this work?
So, you know, I have seen that.
Certainly, I was practicing in Honolulu at the time where people believe in ghosts there.
People believe in ghosts.
And yeah, and I was working in a hospital where there was one room that was considered haunted.
And we tried not to put patients in there because every time we did, they would wake up screaming to get that person out of their room.
So these are the mysteries that keep me wanting to find a ghost, to see a ghost, that keep me thinking, you know, I think I'm scientific, but I'm open to other possibilities.
But the things I remember have always been about ghosts, about people who seemed to sense that a loved one was in trouble and would come running back into the hospital.
One of our nurses was a nun, and she always knew when somebody would die.
I mean, it was weird.
You would knew it because she would go in and she'd bless them, and then within a day they'd be dead.
She just knew.
It was like that cat that used to, you know, make the rounds.
Oh, yeah, I know about the cats.
The cat that would make the rounds, and the cat knew who would die next.
When Tess was telling of her adventures in the courtroom dealing with the Hollywood types, my mind went back to the 1997 film with Al Pacino and Keanu Reeves, The Devil's Advocate.
Yeah, well, you know, corporations are considered an organism as well, aren't they?
Yeah, they will do everything to protect themselves.
unidentified
Yeah, and one of the speeches that Al Pacino gives as head of this international law firm, you know, somebody asked why the law as this evil character.
He said, well, the law reaches into everything.
Business, finance, entertainment.
Everywhere.
And on and on and on.
And I'm telling you, if you haven't seen it, it's on cable every now and again.
Watch it because I think it will resonate with you.
There's all kinds of conspiracy and surrounding the Denver airport.
It's really weird.
unidentified
And also, I'm sorry to interrupt you.
That's right.
It recalled, this episode recalled me to a past show of yours on the old radio show of a caller that he was like an Area 51 guy, and he supposedly worked for them, and he was really frantic, and all of a sudden got cut off.
But what he was mentioning was how supposedly these aliens had infiltrated certain aspects of the military establishment of Area 51 and so on and so forth.
It just kind of ran parallel with what you guys were talking about or with what she kind of was mentioning.
Or, of course, Skype, MITD51 in North America, MITD55 in the rest of the world.
My guest is Tess Garritzon.
And it's so interesting that Tess writes about things that she's always heard of flirting with as a possibility in real life, and yet obviously finds them intriguing, huh, Tess?
But, you know, it doesn't mean that I'm not open to possibilities.
And I really, I'm always interested in what people say and how they react and the kinds of stories I hear because I know these people actually believe that they have seen reptilian eyes.
Hey, yeah, I was just wanting to share a little experience I had because I got out of the military, you know.
And when I was in boot camp, I had this really strange experience just before I left, and it was kind of weird because occasionally people would, you know, they train you to stand watch.
And sometimes during the, I don't know if it was the lunar phase or what, but they would see things or people would, you know, sit up in bed and start hollering.
Somebody be talking in their sleep or something.
But I experienced something and it was like a bunch of people running around, you know, like jabbing at you.
And it was like when you wake up and you're not sure if you're dreaming, I was, it didn't seem like they were real bad guys, but it seemed like they were having a lot of fun.
Is there a difference between, you know, good ones and bad ones?
And there's ones that just are just kind of having fun at your expense or something?
Well, I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but I guess you can sense when somebody's coming for you, whether it's with evil intent or just joking around.
I don't know.
But I do believe that we have these senses.
And again, Tess, you said that they've done testing that shows that people really don't know when they're being stared at.
I have several quick questions, and I'll make it fast, and you can choose whichever you would like to discuss.
I have a question for Tess regarding the Russian video of the people at a dance club where the lights accidentally went out, and there were at least four or five guests there whose eyes immediately shone bright in the pupils.
So much so that they scared the band, and people just started running out of the club.
I've actually done my own experiments, nothing scientific, but my own experiments in staring at other people and trying to get them to turn around and look.
And I think I've had quite a high success rate in that.
Well, I'm going to look up some other studies and see how often this has been done because, I mean, it is a fascinating topic.
I mean, what, because there is no scent involved, there's no sound involved, what would make somebody turn around?
unidentified
I have no idea, but it is an interesting topic.
And I find that I have a better success rate with family members, and in particular, my wife, who fortunately isn't blood related to me, but we are kind of soulmates.
But, yeah, I can get her to turn around like that if she's on the other side of the room.
Actually, I think there have been quite a few in this category done.
Jaz, that's really interesting.
And the opposite of what we were, you know, we were talking about a person's ability to sense danger, but you can project.
Well, what is it you're projecting?
Just willing that person to turn.
unidentified
Is that a problem?
I think so.
I might be on a bus or on a plane or a train, and I'll just stare at the back of someone's head and just even sort of whisper it to myself, you know, turn around, turn around, you know, and sometimes they turn around.
The note I got was that Egregori seems to have enchantments that protect both the music industry and the Hollywood industry.
unidentified
Right.
So anybody trying to break into either movies or music with good intention, does that mean that you have to subjugate yourself to something you don't believe in?
One thing that I think would be very difficult, Tess, would be writing a book, having it purchased by a motion picture company, and then being an advisor on the movie and watch your book get decimated.
It's something that I feel I need to do, and there's all these stories I need to tell.
And yes, here I'm writing a story about saints and martyrs, which is rather fascinating because I like that I'm not religious, but I keep returning to that because it's a theme that fascinates me.