Art Bell

All Episodes

Previous Next

July 23, 2015 - Art Bell

02:31:05

Art Bell MITD - Nassim Haramein

Participants

Main voices

47:09

leo ashcraft

07:54

nassim haramein

01:04:37

Large

Audio Only |

Scroll

Show episode speakers

Speaker	Time	Text
art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, whatever the case is, wherever you are, and it truly is worldwide, we're covering the world.
		It's really great to be here, folks.
		It really is.
		We've got Nassim Carmine on tonight.
		He is a physicist, has been compared to Tesla, actually.
		Not a doctorate, but he sure knows what he's talking about.
		He'll be, what a world.
		He'll be coming to us from a hotel in Paris, France.
		So a couple things I want to get out of the way, and then we'll get on with that.
		It's going to be fascinating.
		Sorry to report.
		We've got, you know, breaking news, of course.
		Not good stuff, never is, right?
		Lafayette, Louisiana, may have heard about it.
		Some mentally deranged person, I'm sure it's got to be that, went into a movie theater in Lafayette and began shooting.
		Shot total of 11.
		That would include himself.
		He's dead.
		He committed suicide.
		So nine are shot, from what I can get, and two are dead.
		And, you know, my only comment on these headshakers is this country is not doing enough for mental health.
		Ronald Reagan, who I really admired, did something I did not admire, and that was release so many from institutions.
		It's not guns, can't blame them.
		It's mentally ill people.
		I mean, think about it for just one second, because I certainly have, and that is if you wanted to go out, take yourself out, let's say, and you had even the slightest inkling that there was a hereafter, would you murder a bunch of people randomly and then shoot yourself?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I think most of us have an inkling that there is a hereafter, don't we?
		Sure we do.
		I do anyway.
		So a couple of other items, leaving that one quickly.
		A renowned theoretical physicist and cosmologist Stephen Hawking has launched now the most extensive search for intelligent alien life on other planets.
		This is big news.
		In an infinite universe, he said there must be other occurrences of life.
		He launched today the $100 million 10-year project at the Royal Society Science Academy in London.
		Now, they're going to be listening really, really hard.
		It's funded by a Russian tech entrepreneur, Yuri Milner.
		They're going to be using satellite dishes, big, big satellite dishes in West Virginia, I believe.
		And where else?
		United States Parks Telescope in New South Wales, Australia.
		So there you go.
		And the other news on that front is we have a sister planet, Earth 2.0, they now call it.
		This is dubbed Kepler 452B, 452B.
		It's in a 385-day orbit around its sun, and it's probably Earth 2.0.
		It is, of course, it's been created 6 billion years ago, so if it's got the stuff of life, water, air, whatever, it's just like Earth, but it's 1,400 light years from Earth.
		Translated, that means if you could fly at the speed of light, it would take you 1,400 years to get there.
		1,400.
		So even if they were madly sending signals, they would have had to have been sending them for some time.
		Well, there may be life there.
		There really may be.
		All right.
unidentified		Now, the big one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Last night, at the beginning of the program, I said I would like to connect with Anonymous, the hacker group.
		The group Anonymous.
		They're not really a group.
		So between the time I said that last night and now, I have learned more than most people want to know about Anonymous.
		However, I'm going to read you an email that I received, and I'm pretty darn sure I'm in contact.
		I had a number of emails today that said, well, Art, you wanted to hear from Anonymous.
		You better check your Twitter.
		Good luck.
		So I got this email today, and I want to read it to you.
		And it was my, well, I'll give you my impression after I read it.
		Art, you had speculated that Anonymous was probably involved in the New York Stock Exchange outage last week.
		I do not believe this to be the case for the following reasons.
		Even though the warning was posted by an establishment media outlet of the Anonymous Hive Mind, that would be at your Anon News on Twitter among others, it was not done in the typical style of Anonymous warning a target.
		In other words, there was no media blitz, no computer-generated featurette on YouTube to warn the target and recruit Anons, no press release on any of the anonymous text posting services like Pastebin, and no dissemination of links to pages containing relevant reconnaissance information and operational security tips to Anons who are not plugged Into the usual communication channels, but who still may wish to take part.
		From the information available at this time from news outlets, the New York Stock Exchange and anonymous related sources, I do not believe the anonymous warning to have been a threat.
		Instead, it is my considered belief from analysis of the information that Anons who work for the New York Stock Exchange in some capacity began to see things happening that they believed were potentially damaging.
		Buggy software updates, hardware problems that were not going to be solved before the start of business the next day or something else along those lines and attempted to warn people through those anonymous media outlets.
		It's typical that anonymous social media and propaganda outlets are operated by multiple individuals simultaneously.
		So, if this is in fact the case, it would not be surprising that there are members of the anonymous hive mind that work for the New York Stock Exchange.
		Anonymous is one of the most socially and economically diverse groups out there.
		Group is not the proper term.
		Adherent of the anonymous meme is more correct.
		There are anons who are precocious youngsters in middle school, parents, active duty soldiers, police officers, programmers.
		To blame anonymous for a specific attack is to mistake membership in or adherence to a meme with the existence of an actual attack.
		To put it another way, and I believe you will understand as you are in possession of no small degree of technical skill due to your background, Douglas Adams once famously said, we're stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works.
		So after reading this, I said to myself, okay, this is the one.
		I mean, clearly he knows what he's saying.
		So I can't promise this, but it is possible that tomorrow night we may get a means of communication from the person who wrote what I just read to you.
		Nassim Harameen was born.
		So anyway, so I've connected with Anonymous, obviously, and we'll see where it goes from here.
		My wife, who is Filipina, as you know, is obviously connected enough to ask me, you did what?
unidentified		Hold him, I wanted to talk to somebody from Anonymous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, Nazim Arameen was born in Geneva, Switzerland in 1962.
		As early as nine years old, he was already discovering the universal dynamics of matter and energy, which led him on a journey toward pioneering a new approach to quantum gravity and continual developments in unified field theory.
		He grew up in eastern Canada with an innate reverence for the design or nature and a determination to discover the basic building blocks of creation.
		Nassim dedicated most of his time to independent investigation into physics, geometry, chemistry, biology, consciousness, that's a big one, archaeology, various world religions.
		His dedication to scientific exploration combined with his keen observation of the behavior of nature led him to a specific geometric pattern which is at the core of his approach and the new perspective in unified field theory.
		He's got a couple of young sons that he raises in Hawaii.
		However, at the moment, believe it or not, what a world.
		He's in a hotel room in Paris, France, which is where we're going to be going shortly.
		He's quite an amazing individual, in my opinion, just an absolutely amazing individual.
		So we're going to have fun.
		We're going to talk to him.
		We're going to ask him about, I think, you know, the things we all want to know about.
unidentified		So that's coming up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		This is Midnight in the Desert.
		Stay right where you are.
		Paris, France.
		Can you believe that?
		What a world.
		And wait till you hear how he sounds.
		It's all coming up next.
unidentified		Thank you.
		Who's gonna tell you things Aren't so great You can't go on In Nothing's wrong Who's gonna drive you home Tonight
		No call screen.
		No waiting on hold.
		No requirement to kiss Art's ring.
		Just good talk.
		Join Art by calling 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-CAL ART.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I just have one more comment on Anon, folks.
		Thank you for all the contact.
		Don't hurt me.
		It's going to be a good interview.
		I'm just interested in the philosophy.
		I've heard a number of recordings from that group.
unidentified		So don't get me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let's see if we can go all the way to Paris, France, and say hello.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nassim, you're on the air.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Hi, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		It's great to have you.
		Really in Paris, huh?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I am.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		I've been traveling a lot and, you know, down here having a few meetings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am so jealous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've been there a number of times, Nassim, and it is such a gorgeous place.
unidentified		God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I wonder something.
		Tell me something, Nassim.
		How can something so old as Paris look so doggone good?
		I mean, everything is stone.
		Everything is clean.
		It's just, it's staggering.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It's amazing, isn't it?
		Yes.
		And when you look at a Paris layout, the way the streets are laid out and the geometry of the whole thing, it's an amazing thing, actually.
unidentified		It is.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It's remarkable.
		There's no, you know, 90-angled corners or very little.
		It's all round.
unidentified		That's right.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And it's an amazing setup.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It's a little bit hard to navigate, but you get used to it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's okay.
		I just went down by the same, sat down with some nice French bread and some wine, and food for sure.
		Yeah, down to business here.
		You're a physicist.
		Now, you don't have a doctorate.
		Many have compared you favorably with, for example, Tesla.
		You've studied physics for 30 years.
		And so I guess the first and most obvious question is, what in the world led you into the field?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think it was a natural curiosity right from the beginning when I was young, trying to, you know, like most people were born and then they're just having this experience we call life and they don't really think twice about it.
		But for me, it was like, how is this happening?
		How is it that I'm alive and what is all this stuff around me?
		And how did it get there?
		And how did I get here?
		And all that were really kind of fundamental questions that I thought had to be addressed.
		And so I kind of launched myself on a journey to try to figure some of this stuff out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you figured some of this stuff out?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		I think so, you know, although as you get older and wiser, you start to feel that you haven't maybe figured it out as much as you thought you did.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		So where do we launch here?
		I'm going to ask that you keep this discussion sort of at a human level.
		When we get into physics, it's rough going, and understanding things requires somebody who can explain it in normal human words.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'll try to keep it as lame as I can.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can see from some of what you've written that that may not be easy.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I am very, very, very interested in consciousness.
		And I wonder, I guess you feel that everything is connected.
		Yes?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		It's not just a feeling.
		It's a function of how things are.
		You can't really isolate anything from anything else.
		Gravitational field, electromagnetic field, and so on cannot be completely shielded.
		And so everything is kind of interacting with everything.
		And we have lots of evidence in quantum field theory and quantum theory, quantum mechanics, that that's the case, that things are interacting at a level that's not necessarily obvious.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very much not obvious.
		Whenever I have a physicist on, I try to have him explain to me the concept or the apparent reality of quantum entanglement.
		Now, I want to give you a shot at it.
		You know, it's where one particle, let me try, which is when one particle is next to another particle and they get into some kind of sync or they recognize each other.
		It's like shaking hands.
		Then you can take particle B, well, to Paris, for example, from where I am here in the desert, and both of these particles are flipping and flopping in exactly the same way as if they are, I don't know, in communication.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		They seem, they're instantaneously connected, no matter how far they are from each other.
		One could be on the other side of the universe.
		And if you polarize this one at a certain polarity angle over here, the other one will change its polarity angle instantaneously.
		It's remarkable.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		instantaneously is the word.
		In other words, perhaps even exceeding...
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, way faster.
		Yeah, it's instantaneous no matter how far it is.
		Yeah, and so we've been able to test this because we can get particles on Earth far enough apart that even at the speed of light, we could see a delay in the reaction of the entangled particle, and we're unable to measure any delay.
		It's instantaneous.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But that's impossible.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's impossible if we think of things being separate from each other, but it's possible if we think of things being part of one fundamental network that everything interacts with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		but it it In the way you just described it, for example, you said if you were to get one of the particles at one particular angle, the other would be.
		It's impossible, Nelson.
		It's impossible.
unidentified		And if it is possible, how?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And if you don't know, which I don't think you do, don't be afraid to say you don't know.
		I just, I can't fathom it.
		I've thought about this again and again and again, and it just won't come to me.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Actually, you know, it's a really, really good question that hasn't been answered very clearly at all from the mainstream, except for the last few years, where finally something that I,
		you know, I mentioned many, many moons ago, there is very famous physicists that are writing papers showing that most likely even subatomic particles are connected through what is called wormholes,
		which were never usually applied to entanglement because wormholes are a consequence of Einstein's equations, which usually deals with the big stuff, with the cosmological stuff, not the small stuff of quantum theory.
		But now it's becoming more and more obvious and it's becoming realized that particles may be connected by teeny weeny wormholes and that these wormholes is what is transferring the information, you know, instantaneously around.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's fascinating.
		All right.
		Well, normally my idea of a wormhole was a sun that collapses, right, and creates this monster of a wormhole.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, this monster of a black hole that makes generate wormholes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yes, a black hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And then you could have wormholes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And so it's starting to become obvious.
		And really, we're starting diving deep.
		This is probably some of the most bleeding edge of physics right now.
		It's becoming clear that black holes seem to be connected through warm holes and that black holes are not just cosmological objects like the sizes of stars or the center of galaxies or things like that, but that actually particles, subatomic particles that are really, really teeny may be as well acting as black holes and be connected through wormholes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Through what method?
		In other words, when we get a black hole, we know a sun collapses.
		But at the atomic level, what can possibly occur to create such a...
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, such an energetic event, yeah, as a black hole.
		That's a really, really good question, Art.
		And, you know, to understand that, we have to bring in something that's called the quantum vacuum fluctuations, or the zero-point energy, as it's more popularly known.
		And it has to do that when you look at the very, very fine level, when you look at like the basis of space-time at the, no, way below the atomic structure, way below the nuclei of an atom, like at the very, very fine level, what we find is that it's not empty, that space is not empty at that scale.
		It's actually full of energy, and that energy may be the source of what's fueling these mini-black holes that we end up experiencing as subatomic particles.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard it's speculated that there are very small, relatively small black holes that one could even, for example, pass through the Earth and we might not even know it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is that possible?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely, absolutely.
		And, you know, there's been a certain amount of search for some of these very small black holes, even inside our solar system.
		This might sound shocking, but as a result of the mathematics that I wrote, which predicted very, very accurately, actually more accurately than any other theory on Earth today, the mass and radius of a proton,
		which is the nuclei of an atom or matter, you know, I've been able to say or to show very, very clearly that actually what we think of the nuclei of an atom acts very much like the nuclei of a galaxy, which is, you know, a black hole structure.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That kind of makes sense, actually.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's kind of like as above, so below.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So below, yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, kind of thing.
		And because everything is inside everything, meaning that all matter is inside our universe, and you know, if everything is entangled, Mass, the mass of the universe would be shared across all atoms.
		And actually, that interaction, you could say that the information moving from one point to another in the universe is actually what we experience as our reality or the material world we see.
		It's a little bit hard concept to visualize, but you have to realize that when we're talking about the nuclei of an atom, like a proton, or even an atom itself, all we're talking about is that in that region of space, we can see there's a dense electromagnetic field, an electrostatic field that seems to have a boundary.
		But we're not seeing like billiard balls.
		That's a thing we've got to get out of our head.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		I want to sort of apply this or walk back to consciousness and how that might or might not fit in a little bit with what we're talking about.
		They're doing this fascinating experiment.
		I'm sure you've heard of it at Princeton University, the egg thing, where they're watching mass consciousness and all the rest of that in the idea that we are all connected.
		So we'll touch on that when we get back.
		Stay right where you are.
		Sim Harriman is my guest from Paris, France.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight in the Desert.
unidentified		For Dark Matter News, I'm Leo Ashcraft.
leo ashcraft ▲ ● ▼		It's a pursuit nearly as old as the infamous shipwreck itself.
		Divers have plunged into the waters off of Nantucket, Massachusetts to catch a glimpse of the Andrea Doria a day after the ship sank in July 1956.
		The first dive netted photos for Life magazine.
		Later, an expedition led to a documentary about the deadly shipwreck, which killed more than 50 people when the Italian luxury liner collided with another ship.
		For decades, the site became so popular with daring divers that it is known as the Mount Everest of Wreck Diving.
		Officials have long warned that it's dangerous to dive to get to the shipwreck site, 240 feet underwater.
		In the past decades alone, the Coast Guard says seven people set out to reach the wreck and never returned.
		Another diver went missing this week and is presumed dead.
		The Coast Guard said it suspended the search for the missing 64-year-old man Wednesday night and notified his next kid.
		The extremely controversial Jade Helm 15 military exercise, which is scheduled to run from July 15th through September 15th in at least seven states, including hostile Texas, will be entirely off-limits to reporters, according to a military spokesman.
		The Jade Helm exercise, which was originally set to consist of more than 1,200 special operations personnel, has been talked about amongst conspiracy theorists and members of the general public for months now.
		Due to this public outcry, a U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel has announced that the operation will be slimmed down to a mere 200 special forces and 300 support personnel.
		An additional 700 personnel will be deployed to Texas in August for five days, as reported by the Washington Post.
		During the exercise, military personnel dressed like civilians will move amongst the populace undetected, according to the documentation already presented.
		This is Dark Matter News.
		Those bright spots on Ceres just won't go away, will they?
		While New Horizons and the dwarf planet Pluto might have been honking the limelight recently, the Dawn spacecraft deserves its fair share of attention too, and it may be close to solving the mystery of the bright spots on fellow dwarf planet Ceres.
		Ever since Dawn entered orbit around Ceres earlier this year, scientists have been left baffled by the appearance of bright spots seemingly redirecting sunlight in craters on the surface.
		Theories of their origin have ranged from ice, exposed by impacts on the surface, to salt flats or even cryovolcanoes.
		Now, scientists might be closer to solving the mystery by spotting a haze above the group of spots, suggesting their origin is ice.
		The latest findings were revealed by Christopher Russell, the principal investigator on the mission, at an exploration meeting at NASA's Ames Research Center earlier this week.
		If confirmed, this could be the first such haze ever found in the asteroid belt and could indicate the presence of ice turning into gas, known as sublimination, on Ceres.
		The haze was found confined to the Okatu crater, which contains the most famous spots on the surface labeled Spot 5.
		More than a quarter of Ceres' mass is thought to be composed of water, the other three-quarters rock, much more than is thought to be present on asteroids.
		Whether these spots are made up of water ice, though, or something else entirely, has been up for debate.
		Now, this discovery of haze lends strong evidence to the ice theory.
		Dawn is continuing to spiral closer and closer to Ceres as it lowers its orbit, and by August it will be 1,500 kilometers above the surface, compared to less than 4,000 kilometers now.
		It will also use its infrared spectrometer, which should be able to work out if the spots are made of ice or salt.
		By August, then we can expect to have much better understanding of the bright spots.
		Whatever they turn out to be, the answer is sure to provide a fascinating insight into some of the processes taking place on Ceres.
		I'm Leo Ashcraft for Dark Matter News.
unidentified		Dark Matter News I was a highwayman.
		Along the coach roads I did ride.
		With sword and pistol by my side.
		Many a young maid lost her models to my trade.
		Many a soldier shed his lifeblood on my blade.
		The masters hung me and the spring upon it fine.
		But I am still alive.
		I was a sailor.
		I was born upon and died.
		With the sea I did abide.
		I sailed a scooter around the hall to Mexico.
		I went along to the world, the mainsail and a blow.
		And when the yards broke off, they said that I got killed.
		But I'm living still.
		I was a damn building across the river deep and wide.
		Where steel and water did collide.
		A place called Boulder on the wild Colorado.
		I slipped and fell into the wet concrete below.
		They buried me in that great hill that knows no sound.
		But I'm still the brand.
		I'll always be the brand.
		Come on men and women skybug call Midnight in the desert at MITD 51 That's MITD 51 I absolutely love that song.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I just love it.
		So you heard more of it than usual if everything is connected well you know then somehow that song makes sense to me Nassim Harriman is my guest and you know he founded the Hawaii Institute for Unified Physics.
		He does not have a doctorate however he's an incredibly bright guy.
		You can go look him up.
		Nassim, have you published, by the way?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I've published multiple papers in physics.
		Some of them are very controversial, describing the nuclei of an atom as a mini black hole.
		But the latest one, making a prediction of actually exactly the radius and the mass of that mini black hole we call the nuclei of an atom or the proton.
		And as well, predicting how that black hole would behave in terms of its strength in gravity, attracting other little protons and proving that that force is exactly what's holding the nuclei together, not the typical strong force described in quantum mechanics.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What has to be done to prove your prediction?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, when I published it, what needed to be done is an accurate measurement of the radius of the proton, which I thought, oh my God, I might not be around by the time that's done.
		And I might never see that happen.
		And then unbeknown to me, an experiment was actually being carried out in Switzerland in an accelerator to measure more precisely the radius of the proton than ever.
		And it was published about two months after I published my paper.
		And the prediction startled the, actually the measurement startled the scientific community because it was too small to support the standard model of physics.
		But it was exact to my model.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would assume you're talking about CERN, the super collider?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		No, it's a proton accelerator, the Cocherard accelerator in Switzerland that is specialized in measuring such things.
		And it was really amazing that it happened so quickly and that my prediction got confirmed so fast.
		And to this day, it's the most precise theoretical model to predict what's actually happening down there in terms of the energy and the geometry of a proton, which is really important because it's basically the mass of the atom, the mass of reality, how reality comes about.
		And what it says is really incredible because it actually says that all the protons are acting upon each other and that this system is one big holographic system.
		And the way their equations are written, it shows that like all the information of all the other protons in the universe are present in one single proton.
		And in terms of vacuum fluctuation, in terms of information inside the volume of one proton, you know, a little bit like a CD-ROM might have an orchestra on it.
		Of course, the violinist and the violin and the cello and all this is not literally on the CD-ROM, but the information is there.
		The music is there.
		It's like all the information of everything else in the universe is present in one single particle and its interaction together is what, like the information moving through the thing, this is how I made the equation, actually predicts the correct mass and radius of that proton.
		So it's really saying the universe itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, we got you got there was a brief little interruption there.
		Let me ask you this.
		You made the prediction, which is really sticking your neck out, and it was all done with mathematics, you said, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Were you given a few accolades from others, other physicists?
		You would classify yourself as a theoretical physicist, I presume, yes?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		I received some accolades from some and a lot of tomatoes throwing from others.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The ones throwing the tomatoes, what were they saying?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		They tried to dismiss the mathematics and the equation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, you know, was that before Or after it was measured and it was verified?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Before and after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And after.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, see, that's not science.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		I know, it's remarkable.
		Even some of the people that made the measurement came at me.
		But the math is bulletproof.
		The math is solid and it's very simple, actually.
		It's a simple volume to surface ratio of these little plonk information bits in the vacuum.
		And it really outputs...
		And when you're doing the equation, you're actually using huge numbers.
		Because these bits of information are so teeny, there's a lot of them inside a proton.
		So you're using numbers that are equivalent to the mass of the universe and all this stuff.
		And when you're done with the equation, it outputs an exact value for the proton.
		Teeny little things.
		So it's really unlikely that it's arbitrary.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		For those who don't know about it and want to do some heavy reading, your latest paper is called Quantum Gravity and the Holographic Mass.
		Is that correct?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Is it published?
		Is it on the Internet?
		Can they find it?
unidentified		Yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		You can find it on our site or you can find it on the scientific journal site where it was published.
		It was peer-reviewed there in an open peer-review, so you can even read the peer-review comments.
		Way to go.
		And it is, you know, it is unconventional, of course.
		However, a lot of evidence is emerging that supports this view.
		And, you know, the math is the math is the math.
		And when it does good prediction, I'll give you another idea, is that, you know, in some two decades or more of string theory trying to be pushed forward to unify physics, not one single prediction was made that could be verified in the laboratory.
		Not one single prediction.
		Yet, this theory, within months of being published, produced a very, very important prediction.
		And so it's very compelling.
		And it's really simple.
		That's the crazy part about it.
		And that's some of the criticism I get is that it seemed too simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, some of what Einstein produced turned out to be pretty simple and short, too, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And it's commonly known that typically when a simple and beautiful solution is found, it's the correct one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm told that the final solution someday, and that which people in your line of work pursue, is this theory of everything that some say may turn out to be no longer than your thumb.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right, exactly.
		That when we find a unified view of not only physics, but literally everything, it would be beautiful and simple and it would make sense, right?
		And certainly string theory is not that.
		It's very complex and it predicts things that are not really useful.
		For instance, you could, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I interview frequently the man who was, I guess, co-author of the string theory.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I guess you know Michio Kaku, professor.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I frequently interview him.
		So let's talk string theory a little bit.
		You say it's not, it predicts things that don't make sense or...
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It doesn't give you clear answer.
		It's extremely complex.
		It's written in like 10 or 11 dimensions.
		And it doesn't really give us a clear picture of how this universe is producing all this material world that we live in.
		And certainly it says nothing about how consciousness emerged from it.
		And so, you know, and so a lot of theorists in the last few years have been turning away from string theory because it seems like it's lacking elegance.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I've heard that, that some are turning away from it.
		What about the multiverse theory that seems to go with the string theory?
		Do you think the whole concept of multiverse existence collapses without string theory being so?
		Or is there some way in which you can see multiple dimensions?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think that the multiverse can remain, but it becomes much less esoteric in terms of the way it's functioning.
		It's more mechanical.
		It makes more sense.
		That is, that our universe is not most likely not isolated.
		It's probably part of a larger universe, which is part of a larger universe, which is part of a larger universe again, and so on.
		So it's more like fractal universes instead of parallel ones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I can embrace that idea as well.
		I can see that.
		It goes from the very largest to the very smallest.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		The very smallest.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And when you Look at the bubble we call our universe today, and we have some idea of its radius, and you put the mass that we observe in our universe in it, our universe obeys the exact quantity or the exact density of a black hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All the rules are followed.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And so if our universe is a black hole, most likely the material stuff we see in it are mini black holes as well, and so on.
		And so basically, it's kind of scales of black holes from infinitely big to infinitely small.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I'm going to venture all over the place, and I'm just going to ask you about this.
		And you're from Switzerland.
		The CERN devices, Super Collider, the big mama.
		They're really cranking it up.
		I think they're taking the voltage way, way up.
		And I've asked a number of people about this and would like to ask you, is there any possibility, in your opinion, of danger with what they're doing?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's a complex question.
		I think in general, no.
		I think in general, what they're doing is, I mean, it's colliding proton at very, very, very high velocity with each other.
		Now, if my theory, and, you know, I was invited to present, when I made this prediction, I was then shortly thereafter invited to present my paper at CERN, which was canceled promptly by the director.
		But my predict, you know, if we take my theory and then we apply it to what's going on at CERN, it's probably not the best idea to collide little protons together.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		If they're all connected, we're probably sending shockwaves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, wait, Missy, I just said, is there any possible danger in what they're doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And now you seem to be, after saying no, describing possible danger.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's probably creating some noise on the structure of space-time that may not be the best thing to do.
		Is it endangering our health directly and so on?
		You know, I think the effect is so minimal that we don't necessarily experience it.
		But I would say that even though it's not a problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Jack, let me ask you this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is your only concern for the poor little colliding particles, or is there a possibility that something else might occur in the continuum that all of us might not like?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		I think it could be, absolutely.
		But I don't think we're any close to the energy levels I would require to do something very, very dramatic.
		I think those energy levels are way above what the standard model predicts just because of the way the equations I wrote are set up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Again, I'm not a physicist, but little things can make big bangs.
		And we know that.
		And so if we collide the wrong thing with the wrong thing at the wrong speed, you couldn't exactly say there's 100% no problem because we're off into territory that we don't understand fully, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And certainly, you know, even in the standard model, there's an outside possibility of creating, you know, an entity that wouldn't be a healthy thing to have around.
unidentified		Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Entity?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		I meant it in terms of a particle.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, a black hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		On this program, you have to be careful about saying entity.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry.
		But it will, you know, like I said, the energy levels are not there.
		I would be more concerned.
		I am actually more concerned about the electromagnets in the device being so strong and their influence on the electromagnetic field of the Earth and the ionosphere and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I have never heard anybody say that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are obviously very, very, very strong electrometh magnets, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And it creates a very high electromagnetic force in that region, which, you know, the Earth's magnetic field, you know, is influenced by.
		And actually, I'm more concerned about that than what they're producing inside the accelerator.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I recently heard that our magnetic field, Sim, is weakening significantly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there has been spotting, which is typical of what we've observed from records in the lava of the beginning of magnetic pole shift.
		And so there is a weakening of the magnetic field, and there's spotting that's occurring.
		And spotting is like when the, you know, if you're in the north hemisphere, all of a sudden there's little spots of south polarity, you know, showing up and so on.
		And so it's, and the poles are drifting significantly as well.
		All of those things are indication of magnetic pole shift.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about the word precursor?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Precursors to a pole shift.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		See, now you are the second person, Nassim, to say that to me in two days.
		Hold it right there.
		Stand by.
		We're going to take a break.
		Second person to say that in two days.
		Pole shift.
unidentified		Doesn't sound good, does it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't sound good to me anyway, at all.
unidentified		Pole shift, north of the south, south of the north.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And who knows what the plates do?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're listening to Midnight in the Desert.
unidentified		Midnight in the Desert.
		Midnight in the Desert.
		On a morning from a forgotten movie in a country where they turn by time.
		We got strolling through the crown line.
		People are late in the crime.
		She comes out of the fun and a dumb dress running like a watercolor in the way.
		Don't bother asking for explanation to the value that you gain in the air of the cast.
		The night matter can be explored on Midnight in the Desert with Artell.
		If using Skype from your computer, please be sure to use a headset mic and call MITD51.
		That's MITD51.
		There he went again, stumbling a little bit.
		All right, welcome back, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is so much to talk about.
		Sim Haramin is here with us, and he's coming all the way.
		So if you hear an occasional crackle or whatever, he's in Paris at a hotel.
		And so I'm astounded that we hear him as well as we actually do.
		So once again, welcome back.
		And we left it at pole shift.
		I'm coming back to consciousness eventually, but pole shift.
		When you hear pole shift from two people in two days and you start thinking about it drifting and drifting and doing all kinds of precursor things that people are talking about, I can't resist asking you, Nizim, about the possibility of a pole shift.
		If that were to occur, and frankly, we're overdue for it.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right, we're overdue.
		We know that it's flipped many, many times before from records in the lava where the particles align to the magnetic field of the Earth.
		So we know it's flipped a bunch of times, and we seem to be overdue for one.
		And the way the magnetic field is behaving right now seem to be suspiciously confirming that we're about to have one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, let's say we have one.
		Let's say we have a pole flip.
		What do you believe we can expect?
		We humans can expect the animals of the planet, perhaps the mammals, the fish, the birds, and then, of course, you know, us.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		They could be significant disruption.
		You know, as a result of a magnetic pole shift, many of our technologies would be disrupted.
		The way birds navigate, the way some of the marine mammals navigate, and so on, could be very much disrupted.
		And, you know, it could have some significant impact on our civilization just because our civilization is technically and technologically very much tied into expecting the electromagnetic field and magnetic field of the Earth to be stable and to be polarized in a certain way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We definitely depend on it, yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		You know, but I think overall we would survive the event quite well.
		You know, you can think of it as our sun, for instance, which is some 99.8% the mass of our solar system.
		Every 11 years, our sun flips its poles.
		Some people may not be aware of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's true.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And we don't experience huge impact from that.
		Either then the sun becomes very active and throws out sunflares.
		And if we were hit by one of those sunflare, like directly, could be catastrophic for the Earth.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, here's the thing.
		Let me just interject.
		We do have the magnetic field, which is exactly what protects us from those sunflares, right?
		So if it gets really, really weak before it decides to do its flip thing, and there's a big sunflare, it'll cook us alive, literally.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it could be a big problem.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		For instance, if it got really weak, even without a big sunflare, just from galactic cosmic rays and radiation from the sun and all this, it could be a big problem.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, exactly.
		Fortunately, perhaps fortunately, as I mentioned last night, because we talked about this last night, we're having a minimum.
		According to the scientists, we may enter a period where there'll be absolutely no sunspots at all, the mortar minimum.
		And that could go on for a number of years, and one has to wonder if Whoever's watching out for us, and I hope there's somebody, has decided if we've got to have a flip, let's have low sun activity, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, that's convenient.
		It certainly is.
		You know, I think at the end of the day, what we're getting to is that eventually we have to learn to fly.
		I like to think of it that way.
		We have to learn.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We have to learn to fly?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we have to learn exactly what is a gravitational field and how to modulate it so that we can actually live in space and not on the surface of a planet.
		Because surfaces of planets are very unstable.
		They can get disrupted by many different sources, like a meteorite large enough, a comet coming by too close, a sunflare, and so on.
		And, you know, I think planetary systems are like little incubators.
		They're good for a little while, but eventually you've got to learn to fly just like a bird in a nest and get out of the nest before the next hurricane, you know?
unidentified		Fly, little bird, now, or you die.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		And, you know, I'm not the only one saying that.
		For instance, Stephen Hawking for years have been saying we have to learn.
		We have to figure out a way to colonize other planets or live in space.
		And all that cannot be done using fossil fuels and rockets.
		And so we have to learn how to use gravity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How to really fly.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Again, I hearken back to Michio Kaku, Professor Kaku.
		And here's something he said.
		Maybe you agree on this one.
		He said that right now we are a type zero planet or civilization, if you will.
		And that, in his opinion, though he's up the chances a little bit, I asked him what are the chances of our surviving here on Earth if we don't find a way to get off the planet.
		And he thinks we really need to get off the planet, just like you do.
		He said the odds of surviving if we don't get off the planet are really tiny.
		In other words, we'll end up with either ruining the planet, blowing ourselves up, or whatever.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, actually, I think we're living in grace.
		I'm just amazed we're still here to talk about it.
		Like, considering all the stuff that could happen that could wipe us out, you know, it doesn't actually take that big of a meteorite to lose usable atmosphere and so on.
		And so it really is remarkable we're still here, but I think we shouldn't push our luck.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, Navim, I've noticed something, and that is the scientists sort of try to reassure us by saying, well, they're looking for these things.
		However, you may have noticed that many, many times you see a newspaper article that says something or a broadcast that says something like, yesterday, the Earth had a really close call.
		Well, so that means nobody noticed this thing was coming.
		Had this thing hit us, you know, we'd be in big trouble.
		So too many times, they find out about it after the fact.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's why they're recruiting groups of amateur astronomers everywhere on the planet to keep looking for these things.
		It's not obvious to be able to track that these objects in the space of our solar system is very large.
		And by the time we see it, it might be too late.
		So it's remarkable, like I was saying, that we're still here.
		But I think more prominently is that we have to be able to understand gravity.
		And this is why I've been pushing so hard in these last 30 years to try to find solutions that would give us a better understanding of gravity, how it works, and to apply those in laboratory to see if we can modulate gravity.
		And I've worked in laboratory for the last 15 years on this.
		And the equations I wrote tells us that gravity is a little bit different than what Einstein described.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can I stop you there?
		You used the term modulate gravity.
		Oh, my.
		That is very, very interesting.
		Modulate, for example, folks, modulation, think of it like this.
		A radio wave is silent.
		It is there.
		And then once modulated, it has intelligence on it.
		And that's how you hear it come out of your radio.
		It's a modulated wave.
		So you're talking about modulating gravity.
		And then, as you pointed out earlier, we could fly.
		Is it in your view?
		You've thought a lot about this, obviously.
		Can we really modulate gravity?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I'm convinced we can.
		Just as we learned to modulate, as you were mentioning, the electromagnetic field, and pretty well, all of our civilization came out of it.
		We learned that, you know, we can use magnetic fields to produce electricity.
		We learned how to use the electromagnetic field as we got a better understanding of it.
		I think that the next step for a civilization will be to learn how to interact and use the gravitational field and power our civilization out of it and actually become a civilization that live in space and that comes to the surface just to enjoy the garden that the Earth is.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, if what you say is possible, that would really mean that you could be in a small craft, begin modulating in some way that would, in essence, repel you from the Earth, and you could, if you wished, at the speed of your choice, rise until you left the atmosphere and were in space.
		You wouldn't have to be launching rockets and spewing chemicals everywhere.
		Exactly.
		So I was going to ask, is that how it could work?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
		You can think of it this way.
		It's like if you were to create a gravitational field strong enough above your head, eventually it would start getting sucked towards it.
		And if you were holding a device in your hand that's creating that really high energy gravitational field above your head, and you got sucked towards it, that point would move with you because you're holding the device.
		So you kept on getting sucked towards it.
		You would accelerate in that direction.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would have thought it would be the other way around.
		In other words, gravity is what holds our feet to the ground.
		So if you were modulating gravity, would you not modulate it so that it pushed you away from the source of gravity that holds our feet to the ground?
		You said toward it.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you can think of it the other way around as well.
		You can think of it as the depression that's occurring above you is creating a push below you that's pushing you away from the gravitational field of the earth, for instance.
		But if you continue to create this depression, and you know, there is such a thing that just kind of made the media in the last few months called the EM drive, which is a little can that was discovered and invented by a very good physicist in England that kind of violates the laws of motions in the way we think of them today,
		but basically creates a little bit of a depression inside a closed can.
		It's a little cone of copper that has microwaves in it, and it's got more microwaves in the front and less in the back, and all of a sudden it starts moving.
		It propels itself.
		And it's not pushing, it's not propelling against anything.
		It's not outputting any electromagnetic field or gases out the back end.
		It's just creating enough of a gradient in the structure of space that it starts to move towards a certain direction.
		And so this, some of the stuff that's emerging now that's confirming some let's see if I can understand this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're suggesting that what has been done is that somebody has sort of created, could it be described as a hole in front of the object that causes the object to move toward that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is hole, or is hole a wrong word?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It's more like a depression.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A depression.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		A gradient.
unidentified		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So scaled up, one could imagine a craft could be.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And this is why NASA has been testing this drive and got positive results from it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		NASA has been testing this drive?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		NASA has been testing this drive.
		A gentleman called Sonny White at NASA that's running a specific program in which NASA is trying to produce a warp drive came across the EM drive, which this physicist, which was an excellent physicist, couldn't get anybody to test because many scientists said this violates the laws of motion.
		It's impossible.
		So it's got to be a hoax.
		So nobody would test it.
		Finally, it took him years, like some 10 years.
		Finally, the Chinese tested it with positive results.
		And now finally, NASA tested it with positive result.
		And it does what it says it does.
		It does produce thrust without expelling anything off the back end.
		This is why physicists say it violates the laws of motion, that for any action, you have to have a reaction or the other way around.
		And so, you know, but when the NASA, and this is really important, when NASA published the result of their test, they mentioned very clearly in the abstract of the paper that most likely what this drive does is that it's pushing against the vacuum fluctuations at the quantum level.
		And here we are, right back to some of the equations I wrote that describes matter in that way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, please repeat.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		NASA said that basically what happens is that the density gradient, the change in density from the front of the cone to the back of the cone of this little drive, is creating a flow in the structure of space-time, in the fluctuations of the vacuum at the quantum level around it.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		You can think of it as like a fluid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's no minor matter at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In fact, if you were in space, you would just check me if I'm wrong here, but if what you say is true, you would continually accelerate, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		But if you're pushing against the quantum vacuum, you see, because that's even in space where it seems like there's nothing, at the very fine level, there's all this energy that's present in the structure of space-time itself.
		Actually, we can't find anywhere where there is not this electromagnetic energy.
		And what NASA said, and it's very simple.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could it be dark matter?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, dark energy.
unidentified		Yeah.
		Thank you.
		You can believe.
		Oh, higher and higher.
		and things.
		To initiate a dialogue sequence with Art Bell, please coordinate your Valanges and call 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-Call Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tim Harriman is my guest, and wow, we're into some pretty interesting territory here.
		He's a theoretical physicist.
		You can look him up.
		You can read his papers if you wish.
		But some of what we're talking about is absolutely priceless if one of these days, as he feels, we're going to have to learn to fly.
		So here you are once again, Nassim.
		Thank you.
		This will be a fairly short span we've got here before the bottom of the arrow break.
		But anyway, this incredible drive, is it fair to call it a drive?
		It could be a drive, right, for space travel.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		It produces thrust.
		And although it's producing very little thrust right now, it is producing some, considering that only very little wattage of energy is put in the drive with more energy, of course, more thrust.
		And, you know, it is definitely the beginning of realizing that we may be able to interact with the structure of space-time and produce gravitational effects.
		There's another fellow, for instance, in the University of Finland, Eugene Potlaknov, that has succeeded in creating a gravitational beam that propagates at some 64 times the speed of light.
		And that's published in peer-reviewed journals as well.
		And so what I'm saying here is that we're not that far.
		People would think, oh, my God, this is going to be generations from now.
		I think it's actually eminent that we will be able to modulate gravity and control it.
unidentified		Eminent is a really good word.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And that really, I mean, you're right.
		It's the only way that we could move masses if we had to or wanted to from point A to point B. Also, if we were able to, I guess I'm going to ask this, if we were able to modulate gravity, how effective would it be sim, out, way out, for example, far from Earth?
		Does it or does it not depend on its ability to repel from Earth's gravity?
		Or once out in deep space, could you just accelerate endlessly?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Oh, absolutely.
		Because space-time is everywhere.
		And so basically what you're doing is you're warping the fabric of space-time.
		You're kind of creating a funnel just like maybe a little bit a propeller on a motor of an airplane or in a boat motor is creating a depression, either in the air or in the water, to create a force moving in a certain direction.
		You're basically doing that with the fabric of space-time wherever you are in the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, you heard me earlier, Nassim, mention what they're calling Earth 2.0, Kepler 452B.
		It is 1,400 light years from Earth.
		Now, even in your wildest imagination, to think about getting to Earth 2.0, you would have to travel many times the speed of light to ever even imagine getting there in a single lifetime.
		Is what you're suggesting, with modulation of gravity, something that would begin you on a trip that would get you there in some reasonable amount of time?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you know, this brings us back to the beginning of our conversation about wormholes, because if you're able to warp space-time, and this is what some of the fellows at NASA are working on, if you're able to warp space-time into a wormhole, then all of a sudden you could transfer the information across the universe extremely almost instantaneously, as we were discussing.
		And you could be there in a few seconds with no jet lag.
		So yeah, I mean, all these technologies are being developed now, and some of these effects that we're now starting to realize are occurring.
		And I want to mention, Art, that all these effects have to do with spin.
		And that's why I use the analogy of a propeller.
		And this is what was really missed earlier on.
		And that I believe is the key, is that spinning electromagnetic field at high velocity can produce these warps in space-time and open these wormholes.
		This is really becoming reality now.
		It's not just in the theoretical realm.
		Some of these devices are starting to show these effects.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you know some of the wildest stories that anybody's ever told?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Things like the Philadelphia experiment involved spinning things.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Spinning electromagnetic fields.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're aware of those stories, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you're suggesting there could be a real basis for...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's not so...
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A new theory, an old story.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		And, you know, it's just like this.
		Einstein described gravity as the curvature of space-time.
		And I don't know if we have enough time in this section, but I'm just going to start on it.
		Imagine that, let's describe it this way.
		Typically, it's described as a surface of a trampoline that you put a ball on it, and it curves the trampoline so that it curves the surface so that another ball would appear to be attracted to the first one.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, pitch right up when we're done with the break.
		Relax.
		You've got a few minutes to relax.
unidentified		Love this stuff.
		Leave me this way.
		I can't fly.
		Can't stay alive without your love.
		Oh, baby.
		Don't worry.
		Wanna take a ride exclusively on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		This is Midnight in the Desert with your host, Art Bell.
		To call Art.
		Please dial 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952-CallArt.
		Don't worry, everybody.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're going to get the lines open here at the top of the hour.
		Maybe even earlier.
		I promise.
		I know when I get a really good guest and I get all wrapped up, it's hard to let go.
		But we will do that.
		We'll get the lines open, I promise.
		My guest, of course, is Nassim Raymond.
		And he is brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
		We're talking about modulating gravity, a drive for getting to another place in space that we could conceivably call home if we had to.
		All right, so I get messages, and believe it or not, something called the wormholes I'm doing the program.
		They send it on the computer, and it comes blasting over here from Arizona.
		Lasha says, how can you create gravitational depressions in space if there's no gravity in space?
		It doesn't make sense to me.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		Well, there's gravity everywhere.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		For instance, our solar system is stuck in the gravitational field of our galaxy.
		And we know that our galaxy is part of a larger cluster.
		Yes.
		And that cluster is part of a supercluster.
		So there's gravitational fields everywhere.
		And space-time, the fabric of space which produced the gravitational effect, is everywhere.
		There's no place where there's no space-time.
		And so modulating space-time or curving space-time or warping space-time anywhere you are will produce gravitational effects.
		And if you're controlling those, you can make it so it propels you in one direction or another.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Continue.
unidentified		Go ahead.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so before the break, I was saying that, like, and the problem, and that's known, is this the problem has been that the idea that we could curve space-time strong enough to produce such an effect has always been thought to be impossible because the amount of energy it would take to curve it.
		And so the example I was going to give is that, you know, and that's maybe just because of the way we describe gravity, meaning that Einstein described gravity as this curvature of space-time, just like a ball on a trampoline curving the surface.
		I like to use a different analogy.
		Think of you being in your bathtub with a rubber ducky and pulling the plug.
		And so you got this little vortex that's being created near the drain because there's a little gradient there.
		There's a density change.
		The air is coming up, the water is going down.
		And if you look on the surface of the water, it looks like it's curving towards a drain.
		And if you put your rubber darkie close enough, he's going to start orbiting and act very much like the way we think of gravity.
		And so what Einstein described is very much that curvature that you see on the surface producing the gravitational effect.
		And that, you know, demands tensor equations and it's very complex.
		But what I found is that you can describe the same effect, get the same result, get the same math, except instead of describing the curvature, you describe the water molecules spinning, making the vortex in the first place, which is more fundamental.
		The curvature on the surface is kind of a secondary effect.
		The source of the gravitational field is actually all these little Fluctuations spinning together producing that effect.
		And so the key word here is spin.
		So all of a sudden, you start to realize: wait, I might be able to curve space-time not by creating this massive energy event, but just by getting space-time to spin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you ever heard the name Bob Lazar?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		My friend Rossi sends me a message saying the electromagnetic drive is almost exactly what Bob Lazar described to you all so many years ago.
		He talked about the sportship drive on the UFO at S4, which used a depression of gravity in front of it, pulling it forward.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Yeah, that's correct.
		And many people that had, some of the people that had these experience or, you know, and that's going to sound pretty esoteric, but even the people that have been taken on spaceship by maybe another civilization describe these spinning magnetic fields or spinning electromagnetic events.
		And even when you look at some of the footage in modern time of some of these so-called UFOs or flying objects that we're not sure where they come from, how they get here, very commonly we see kind of the object wobbling in space.
		When it slows down enough, we see it like, it almost looks like it's a little unstable.
		That's right.
		And that's called precession.
		And it's very much the result of spinning things.
		It's a gyroscopic effect when you're spinning things.
		You can think of a top that you're spinning, you know, those toys from when you were a kid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, as they slow, they wobble.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, as they slow, they wobble.
		That's called precession.
		And so you can imagine that a ship that's using spin in the electromagnetic field to propel themselves by curving space-time, when they slow down and stabilize, or they slow down the drive so much that it starts to wobble just like a tongue.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Jacob says, if modulating gravity was possible one day, would it be possible to bend the space fabric to the point you could actually create a wormhole?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And this is what Sonny Weitz and those folks at NASA are actually working on because the math is very clear and straightforward that you could.
		You could eventually create enough curvature to produce a wormhole and connect very distant places in the universe and travel instantaneously.
		And it's very real.
		And as I was saying at the beginning of our interview, this might be actually occurring in nature all the time, even at the subatomic level, so that particles are entangled or actually connected through wormholes.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Back to entanglement.
		I want to come back for a moment to mass consciousness because I really want to ask about this.
		If everything is connected, then mass consciousness really does, or the possibility of it really does make sense to me.
		Have you looked at the experiments done at Princeton and, for example, as they monitored around the world with these so-called eggs, which are actually just computers spitting out random stuff, it just spiked through the roof before the 9-11 business.
		And then they have many other examples of spikes that occurred.
		And this claims to be looking at mass consciousness, at some sort of something.
		And here's the real wild part of it, that occurs before whatever it is that's going to happen, like 9-11, something really big, it occurs before it, which implies some sort of twist in time or knowledge of what's going to happen.
		I don't really know what it fully implies, but it fascinates me.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, not only is it instantaneous, it seems like the communication is even, you know, so like past the speed of light to the point where it's a precursor,
		and you can actually, you could think of it that the events that we experience in our everyday life is actually a little bit slow compared to the underlying reality that's occurring.
		By the time we experience it, it's actually, you know, already passed by a few seconds.
		And so these eggs are actually, which are random generators that are all around the world network, that are supposed to be, you know, spitting out random numbers.
		All of a sudden, when we have very significant global events that range from global meditations, by the way, to very dramatic events like 911, these generators start acting weird.
		They start to output coherent data, coherent spikes, and like you were mentioning, the spike starts to move towards higher levels of coherency prior even to the event occurring.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Some kind of rift in space-time.
		It's really weird.
		All right.
		Here comes a big one.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Just on that subject, or just one more.
		What's really cool is that some of these experiments are done as well with individuals trying to influence the random generators, and that's been shown to be very effective.
		With your consciousness, you can influence a computer that's outputting random numbers.
		That's a fact.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a fact.
		As a matter of fact, they turned out a little program that allowed you to do exactly that.
		you could get any background you wanted on the computer.
		And as you concentrated, you tried to manifest this picture to become solidified in front of you on the screen.
		If you didn't concentrate on it, it would go back into the noise.
		And I experimented with that, and I'm telling you, it really works.
unidentified		It's remarkable.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It supports the concept that you're connected even to a computer.
unidentified		Exactly.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And so it really kind of starts to land that, wow, we're really connected to this material world around us.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Before we ever get phones here, I really want to ask you if you believe that time travel, travel in time, will actually ever become possible in either direction.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a really good question.
		And it could take a long time to answer because we would, as well, like the concept of time might be erroneous, the way we think about it.
		But just to give the standard answer, the standard answer would be that it's not precluded from Einstein field equation, meaning that even the standard model of physics predicts that time can be manipulated and that we should be able to travel in time.
		And it might sound a little mind-boggling, but when we actually start to modulate gravity, we may end up modulating time at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's a change, yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, because it's space-time that we're affecting.
		And so the thing is, is that the way I see it from the perspective of the work I've done is that when you change time, you change space as well.
		And so that you are actually in a different place, not necessarily at a different time.
		So you might not be on Earth anymore that you know you might be on parallel or reflection Earth in space.
		But that's going down the rabbit hole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And it is.
		How about questions about life and death?
		In other words, is it your view that when we, human beings, die, that's it?
		Game over, nothing left.
		Or in physics, is there some way to imagine that something continues when we die?
unidentified		Absolutely.
unidentified		Yeah, absolutely?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Really?
		Yeah, meaning that we know for a fact that no information can be lost.
		And so if you think of yourself, first of all, it's important to describe what we call death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Be my guess, describe death.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, because all we observe is just a change of state, meaning that all the atoms you were ever made of and all the atoms you're made of currently are still there.
		They don't go anywhere.
		They just change state.
		They change form.
		And so if you thought about it that way, even in a very physical way, nothing really was lost.
		There's just a rearrangement of the information.
		And so I particularly believe that, yeah, the information still remains and that it's in a different form.
		And it's in a form that's not necessarily directly accessible from our perspective, from our experience every day.
		But I don't see why some people wouldn't be able to access it or, you know, that even technologically, eventually, we would be able to access it.
		You know, if the information is in the structure of space.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I'm hearing you correctly, you're talking about accessing information from people that, from our perspective, have died.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That information is still present and it may still be coherent.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is that going to take?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A quantum computer?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, a quantum interacting device that is tapping into this field of information I was describing earlier.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's called the vacuum fluctuation that makes up everything we see and don't see according to what I found.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		You have given me so much to think about.
		Holy mackerel.
		All right.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It does mind-boggling, it absolutely does.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, you're in the mind-boggling business.
		No question about it.
		Nazim, give me a moment.
		We're going to take a break.
		But before we do, I wanted to, because we're a new show, I want to describe to people how to call.
		So hold tight.
		We'll be back with you after the break, and we will be taking calls.
		So here's the deal, folks.
		You know the phone number, the public phone number, right?
		It's area code 952-225-5278.
		That's 952-225-5278.
		That's an easy one to call.
		But then we've got ways you can call from all over the world, North America and Canada.
		Folks, you have got your own window to get in and ask a question.
		How can you not have a question after all of this?
		It's Skype.
		And what I'm suggesting to you is that you put Skype on your phone.
		If you've got whatever phone you've got, a smartphone, put it on your phone.
		And the way you set it up is if you're in North America, America, Canada, whatever, go like you're going to make a new contact and put in simply, and it's not case sensitive, just put in M-I-T-D 51.
		M-I-T-D 51.
		And then you'll find that in your list, and you can see the little phone symbol, and you can press on it with Apple anyway.
		I've got Apple.
		Sorry if I offend the Android people.
		And then the same deal goes for international calls.
		If you're somewhere outside the North American universe, put in M-I-T-D55.
		That's M-I-T-D 55.
		Now, again, it will appear in your contact list, right?
		And after it's in the list, you can go there, and even though we haven't connected as buds, you can call it anytime you want.
		And by the way, it's free.
		Absolutely free.
		And the reason I'm suggesting all this to all of you is because when you do call by Skype, oh my, you get really, really good connections, as you can tell.
		Tonight I've been talking to somebody in Paris, France.
		Well, guess what?
		Though we've had maybe a hiccup or two, what a connection from Paris, huh?
		Way better than the average phone company could do.
		So it's kind of necessary for me to take a moment out and explain to people how they can call.
		Now, you can also do that from the computer of your choice.
		Apple or everybody's favorite, Windows.
		Same deal.
		And of course, that's the way you receive the show.
		We come to you on the internet or on your local station, whatever the case may be, and through TuneIn.
		God bless TuneIn, getting us from here to there.
		So I hope I've explained it reasonably because the phone lines are about to open.
		And we'd love to have your questions.
unidentified		Because boy, this is really, really good stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Mark Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Midnight in the Desert, Roaring.
unidentified		Music Who's going to tell you when?
		It's too late.
		It's too late.
		Who's gonna tell you things aren't so great?
		Oh, I'm terrible To initiate a dialogue sequence with Art Bell, please direct your finger digits and call 1-952-225-5278.
		That's 1-952.
		Call ART.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Listen, everybody, one more thing.
		Let me add one more thing, and that is, if you have not experienced listening to this program with headphones...
		We're coming to you in full stereo, and the audio should be actually fairly impressive.
		It's quite an audio chain we've got.
		So, next chance you get, if you haven't done it, grab some of your buds.
		I'm going to tell you how to get some really good ones from Bob Cream and listen to us in full living stereo.
		It is actually pretty impressive, and I'm not impressed easily by audio, but I'm telling you, it sounds really good.
		All right, Nassim, you're back on the air and hopefully prepared to answer a few questions.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, wonderful.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		All right.
		Well, here they come then.
		Let's start with Michael on Skype.
		Michael, you are on the air.
unidentified		What a great show, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		You made an old retired concrete executive's brain cell start moving again.
		Nassam?
		Yes.
		Let's say that, and I'm not being negative here, but let's say we're able to manipulate gravity and get 300 million people off of Earth and be able to transport them four times the speed of light to Earth 2.0.
		I guess my question is, how do we sustain ourselves?
		We are organic orgasms here.
leo ashcraft ▲ ● ▼		Orgasms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe you are.
unidentified		Organic people here.
unidentified		We need food and water.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yeah, but Earth 2.0, sir, implies exactly that, that there would be things to sustain us there.
unidentified		But wouldn't we have to plant food?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, take seeds.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Thank you very much for the call.
		Yes, of course we would have to sustain ourselves.
		But if we could travel at the kind of speeds that Nassim is talking about, then it wouldn't be a problem.
		We could run back and get seeds or whatever.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		And we may not have to go that far, meaning we could, for instance, terraform Mars very rapidly.
		There's many efforts right now, millions and millions of dollars being poured into trying to set up a little colony on Mars and by very large organizations, private organizations.
		And, you know, and they're planning on doing this with rockets, which is not really feasible.
		It would take thousands of rocket trips to put on Mars even a small community.
		But if you are able to control gravity or you have gravity control, I mean, you could do trips within a few minutes to Mars.
		And you could easily, when you have this type of technology, when you have this type of power, of control, you can do all sorts of things that makes absolutely no sense with anything less.
		For instance, you can transport large amounts of water, you can transport all kinds of materials, you can even capture materials that are floating around, like for instance in the asteroid belt, and bring them to where you need them and so on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and you can even go back and get your rocket keys you left on Earth.
		Let's go to the phone lines.
		There's so many people.
		You're on the air with Nassim.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Roswell's art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		We talked almost 15 years ago about this exact same craft.
		I saw it at Edwards Air Force Base when I was called in to provide some support equipment to the government.
		Oh.
		And it took me a year to find out what it was.
		And a guy said it was counter-rotating magnetic fields that projected a hole that pulled the craft into whatever direction.
		And it went faster depending on how far out that hole was projected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So, in other words, exactly what was described.
unidentified		Exactly.
		It was at JPL laboratory.
		I had to be cleared and all that.
		Never had to sign anything.
		I was one of those, I had one of those type jobs, like, you know, you have a janitor.
		They're always there.
		They're always doing something, but you're never quite sure who they're with.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have an actual question for Nissim?
unidentified		Is this going to be, this craft's been around since the 80s?
		Will it be revealed soon, in your opinion?
		And I was told that there was probably 60 of these things back in 89 that were operational as part of Star Wars.
		Is there anything that you've heard about that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, yeah, let's actually ask him.
		He's right.
		There are many who believe exactly what he said, that these craft or craft that can do what you have described have been around for a relatively long time.
		Is there any chance, in your opinion, that all of this will get revealed to the world?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think so.
		I think that many of these experiments that have been done in behind-the-scene what's typically described as black budgets in the military-industrial complex, even since the Second World War and so on.
		I think that now it's emerging in the population and it will become available.
		It'll become revealed that and how to interact with the vacuum to produce energy and so on.
		These things are about to emerge, and it's going to change our world.
		It's going to rock our world at a very fundamental level.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, I don't often say this.
		People have been saying it for years, and I've heard it, but I actually think our world is about to get rocked.
		I've got this impending feeling that I've come on the air at the right time because something really big is getting ready to happen, and I'll leave it at that.
		Matthew, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hello, Mark.
unidentified		I'm happy to have you back on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you so much.
unidentified		I was wondering about the potential for using this technology, this wormhole technology.
unidentified		Theoretically, would it be feasible, say, to activate a wormhole in the Yellowstone caldera and have the other end, say, on the moon, and we could terraform the moon by moving the caldera to the moon?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Shifting real estate, huh?
		I don't know.
		That's pretty wild.
		Asim, you want to answer it?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		You know, I never thought of it that way, but I would say probably, yes, correct.
		We could move a massive amount of material across wormholes to wherever we wanted, and it would be very effective in terraforming and so on.
		Bringing in water.
		I mean, we could theoretically take a planet that looks like Mars or the Moon, you know, and bring water, produce atmosphere.
		I mean, literally, when you have control over gravity, you can do really incredible things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And again, it's your view that we are going to need something like this because we're going to have a dire need to be off the planet en masse at some point.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And I think that any society in the universe that develop on any size planet eventually reach that point where there's just too many people, there's not enough resources, and they have to learn to fly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Gotcha.
		All right, to the phones we go.
		It just says anonymous.
		I assume not that group.
		Anyway, it's not a group.
		Not that massive.
		Yes, hi.
unidentified		Hi.
		I was going to say that I think people might be overthinking these propulsion devices instead of thinking of as anti-gravity or depressions in gravity.
		I don't see why you can't just take two magnetic elements, which normally people would think push apart or pull together like magnets do, but adjust the variables so that the fields propagating between them, instead of generating balanced forces, generate unbalanced or unidirectional forces where one field is pushing and the other is pulling in the same direction, and then you will get propulsion.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
		You know, that's a little bit of what we're describing.
		It's a little more complex just because you can't just get a magnetic field to attract to another one if you don't have the other one in front of it.
		So, you know, it's a little, but it's along those lines.
		You're using magnetic fields, you're spinning them at high velocity, like the experiments in Fenland from Eugene, where he's spinning a high-density magnetic field in a superconductive disk and getting this beam of gravity coming off it.
		This is very much what you're describing.
		I think you get the right thinking.
		You know, the theory is always a little more complex, but I think that's the right views that you have.
unidentified		You have to remember this.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no, go ahead, Color.
unidentified		When you have fields propagating between two elements, they take time to travel.
		And during that trap, you know, you're not just generating, you know, they travel at the speed of light, so people forget that they think they happen instantaneously.
		But in the time that the fields travel, let's say from one element to the other, you can adjust the conditions in the facing element so that when that field arrives, it'll be pushing on one and pulling on the other.
		It's possible to do.
		It's a simple formula, actually.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, that's correct.
		And it's just that in terms of overcoming the gravitational field, those propagating fields, those electromagnetic propagating fields, have to interact with space-time so that gravity is modulated as a result.
		That's where the complexity gets a little higher.
		Because the magnetic fields, like the source of the magnetic fields, are unknown in physics, meaning we don't know why an electron is an electron and why a proton has an electromagnetic or electrostatic field.
		These are starting to be discovered to be actually part of this curvature in space-time that's occurring at the quantum level.
		And so you're correct.
		Using the propagation of magnetic field in the structure of space-time, we can curve space-time and produce those effects.
		And I think spin is a very important component of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently, Scott on Skype, you're on midnight.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
unidentified		This is my first call using Skype, so I hope you can hear me okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're doing very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Are you on a computer or a phone?
unidentified		I'm on an iPhone using earbuds and a built-in mic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sounds like a million dollars.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Proceed.
unidentified		Okay, send me some of that.
unidentified		Anyway, last hour, Nassim mentioned something regarding information about the departed and that it might be possible using a supercomputer to reach them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And I did that actually in 1986.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you need to call me tomorrow night.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, obviously, there's a big story here.
unidentified		Okay, yes, there is, and I'm willing to tell you.
		And the lady that taught me how to do it is a psychic who I would love to have on your show.
		But I will call during open phones and discuss this because it'll knock your socks off.
		So wear socks.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I will wear socks.
		I will be ready for you.
		Make sure and call me, all right?
unidentified		Okay, then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
unidentified		Oh, my.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		We're going to do an early break, trying to squeeze as much as I can in.
		You know the phone numbers.
		You know the Skype way in, I hope.
		Now, there was an example of somebody who did it.
		And boy, does it ever work.
		If you use Skype the right way on your smartphone, you'll sound like a million dollars.
		But I'm not going to send anything out.
unidentified		I'm not going to send anything out.
		Wandering your way down the baker's tree.
		Light in your head and dead only well another crazy day.
		You can light away and forget about everything.
		Wanna take a ride from the high desert and the great American Southwest?
		This is Midnight in the Desert, exclusively on the Dark Matter Digital Network.
		To call the show, dial 1-952-CAL ART.
		That's 1-952-225-5278.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi, everybody.
		I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight in the Desert.
		Very, very busy night.
		I'm going to find out if Nassim is still.
		Are you still there?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified		Good, good, good, good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There was somebody trying to get in from Asia, and I think that I brought them on, but not successfully because it somehow put you on hold.
		So I didn't answer it the right way.
		I'm going to learn.
		I'm going to learn how to do it.
		So the caller from Asia, give it another try, and we'll give it another try.
		And in the meantime, hello there in Marysville something.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Yeah, hi.
		My name is John.
		I'm actually in Yuba City, right next to Marysville.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
unidentified		I have a couple.
		Yeah.
		Hey, first of all, thank you, Art.
		You've been such a big part of my life for so long, and I'm so glad you're back.
		Thank you.
		I have a couple questions for your guests.
		You guys touched earlier on Pulse Shift.
		Right.
		And I would like to know a little, I'd like to elaborate on a little bit, some specifics, like how it would affect our electronics, our basic electronics, internet and GPS, you know, satellites and stuff like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really good question.
unidentified		Most of our defense and everything is relying on that.
		And I don't understand what would happen with a pole shift.
		Is it like positive to negative as far as electronics are concerned?
		You know what I'm saying?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		It would have a very devastating effect on many of our devices.
		Already the fact that the poles are drifting is, you know, running havoc with some of the navigation systems for airplanes.
		They have to readjust the coordinates for landing strips and so on because of the change.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, that happened down in Florida.
		They had to actually reorient runways or something.
		It was a big mess down there because of that.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
		Because of the pole drifting.
		So it really could produce some very big challenges on our planet if the pole shift happened in a very sudden way, especially.
		If it's more gradual, we may be able to adjust some of our technologies.
		But as we were discussing earlier, if it dropped dramatically in strength, it would be a big problem in terms of the radiation we receive both from the galactic cosmic rays and from our sun.
unidentified		So it go ahead.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go ahead, Colin.
unidentified		No, I'm sorry.
		I thought that our magnetic field is decreasing now, and that's an indication of pole shift.
		Is that correct?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		That's correct.
		It is decreasing.
		Or it has decreased.
unidentified		Would it be stronger?
unidentified		It would rebuild itself?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It will, yes, it's assumed that it would rebuild after the flip, as we can see from the records in the lava.
		We do see from the records in the lava, like spotting, and we see various weakening of the field prior to the pole shifts.
		So all these things are precursors.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Seems to me it's the devil in the details of the flip that we need to know about.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		It's not so well known because, of course, we don't have any records of any technological civilizations undergoing a pole shift.
		So we don't know exactly what it will do and how exactly it's going to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here's a question for you, one that you haven't addressed yet.
		It's how quickly or how long might it take for the flip to actually occur?
		Maybe there's a question you can't answer.
		I mean, is it overnight?
		Is it like, oh my God, it just flipped?
		Or is it over 100 years or 1,000?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's the thing.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It was first believed that it would take hundreds of years.
unidentified		Yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		And then some of the latest data is showing, no, it can happen very, very quickly in a matter of a few days.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		So, you know, it can't be very rapid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Caller, does that answer?
unidentified		Yeah, that was awesome.
		I do have one other quick question.
		He mentioned earlier that NASA was working on creating a wormhole.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So that's NASA.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		I don't think he said that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think he said that.
		No, I don't think he said they're working on making a wormhole.
		He said they were working on a drive, I believe.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Warp drive.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A warp drive, yes.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Sonny White and his team are working on using those fluctuations at the quantum level to energize a drive that would produce warping of space-time, which can lead to wormholes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If NASA starts to make a wormhole, you'll let us know right away, won't you?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'll give you a call.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Very quickly on Skype, Ra, I believe it is.
		You're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, thanks.
		I really appreciate it.
		I just have a quick question for Naseem about time travel because I know you guys were talking about it earlier and I find that very interesting.
		So do I. How do you feel about the butterfly effect and the ripple effect and paradoxes and stuff like that?
		Because it seems to make time travel really complicated.
		Because if you go back in time, eventually in the future, someone would go back in time.
		Would it mess up the current timeline?
		Or does time fix itself?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a really good question.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There's a lot of questions, actually.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The butterfly effect was asked about.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, let him answer.
		What about the butterfly effect?
		In other words, well, explain what the butterfly effect is.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, the idea that if you went back in time and killed your grandpa, would you be there to, you know, that's a big paradox.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The butterfly effect is like, well, if, for example, you went back and you made some wind, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wind, a little bit of wind, it might in the future cause a full-blown typhoon that kills millions.
unidentified		That's right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right?
unidentified		Right.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		The butterfly effect is that a small change could create a very large change eventually.
		Yes.
		And, you know, so directly related to the butterfly effect, I think there's something that's misunderstood about that and is that, you know, for instance, the idea that, and that's why it's called that way, that a butterfly in Africa could bat its wing and all of a sudden eventually produce a hurricane in Florida.
		There's scale relationships in the universe that are very fundamental to the way the universe function, according to what I found.
		And these scales have to do with the impact of things on other things.
		Like, for instance, our Earth has very little impact on the Sun.
		It doesn't even look like a grain of sand beside the Sun.
		It's very, very teeny.
		The Sun can have a very large impact on the Earth, though.
		And so the same for the butterfly, meaning that if the butterfly bats its wing, the probability of that eventually producing a hurricane are extremely, extremely low.
		It would take millions and millions of butterflies batting their wings all at the same time, and then maybe the probability would go up a little bit.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Let's talk about the granddad thing.
		You go back and you kill somebody in your lineage, your grandfather, whatever.
		That's just impossible, right?
		Because you would blink out.
		The moment the bullet hit and he died, you wouldn't exist or what?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, this is assuming that all these timelines are singular and linear.
		But actually, if the timelines are parallel to each other, you will not necessarily experience that in the reality that you're in.
		Meaning, if you go back in time, you might be back in time in a universe that may not be the one that you're experiencing right now.
		And in that one, you may kill your grandfather and not exist anymore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you need to exist here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, would you be blowing yourself into a new dimension, essentially?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		You'd be experiencing a different universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, caller, does that answer it?
unidentified		Beautiful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Exactly what I was looking for.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Glad we were able to deliver.
		Take care.
		We were short on time.
		Very quickly, Tampa, Florida.
		It's midnight.
		You're on.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, Art.
		Jim Huff.
		I'm Jimmy.
		How are you doing, Art?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good.
		Jimmy, we don't have much time.
		What kind of question?
unidentified		Basically, I just want to say hello.
		Welcome back.
		Oh, thank you.
		You're not doing radio gold tonight, Art.
		You're doing radio platinum.
		You're way out there, dude.
		I would love to talk to Mr. Nassim.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		And ask him, well, I've got a question and I've got a statement, basically.
		Okay.
		Should I just go ahead and say it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you shouldn't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to just pot you right down, and I'm going to tell you that there's not enough time for you to do that.
unidentified		So, tick, tick, tick, tick.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We'll be back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm Art Bell, and this is Midnight in the Desert.
unidentified		You fall without the doubt You can't look like nothing at all There are no windows I know your blood's going to end What is this thing?
unidentified		What is this thing?
leo ashcraft ▲ ● ▼		For Dark Matter News, I'm Leo Ashcraft.
		Have you ever regretted sending an email and wish you could take it back?
		Or maybe you've worried about sending confidential information over email, especially after seeing the damage a large-scale email hack can cause, like the one that hit Sony Pictures last year.
		A new self-destructing email service called D-Mail aims to eliminate those concerns.
		The introduction of a tool that allows you to better control your messages that are sent over Gmail.
		With D-mail, you can revoke access to any email at any time, and in a release arriving soon, you'll be able to stop recipients from forwarding your messages to others too.
		The idea for the new service comes from the team behind the social bookmarking service Delicious, a longtime web staple.
		Eventually, the team plans to make D-mail a freemium service where some aspects will remain free for individuals while power users and businesses will pay for other features.
		You don't normally hear about leprosy cases today in the United States, but a warning has gone out to Floridians to beware.
		Nine cases have been reported in the state so far this year, and the cause is thought to be armadillos.
		What's the connection?
		Armadillos are common in Florida, and according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, they are the only animal to carry leprosy, a bacterial disease that affects the skin and nerves.
		Each of the Florida cases this year involved people who were in direct contact with the armadillos, and the disease could be spread through saliva.
		What's more startling, the Department of Health reports that an average of 10 Floridians are diagnosed every year.
		So having nine people already infected this year is a huge jump.
		While armadillos are nocturnal, it is currently breeding season, so experts warn that you may come across some babies during the day.
		They may be cute.
		They can also carry the disease.
		So make sure you and your kids stay clear of armadillos.
		This is Dark Matter News.
		The FDA has approved a device that lets the blind see with their tongue.
		Developed by Wisconsin-based WCAB, the device translates visual information from a video camera into gentle electrical stimuli on the tongue.
		Eventually, users are able to interpret the signals to see where objects are located, how big they are, and how quickly and in what direction they're moving.
		If only Nikola Tesla were alive to see this now, a group of Russian physicists are picking up from where he had left off, using his patents and ideas to finally create the masterpiece that had been long suppressed, wireless electricity transmission.
		Their work has been largely forgotten.
		And just like Tesla himself, they have not reached their funding goals.
		But they still seem to be publishing updates regardless.
		In 1891, Nikola Tesla gave a lecture for the members of the American Institute of Electrical Engineers in New York City, where he made a striking demonstration.
		In each hand, he held a gas discharge tube, an early version of the modern fluorescent tube.
		The tubes were not connected to any wires, but nonetheless they glowed brightly during his demonstration.
		Wireless electricity transmission solves a number of problems.
		It allows people to receive electricity without large-scale infrastructure costs.
		Transmission to remote locations becomes feasible, and terrain is no longer a restriction.
		This one invention could well grant billions of people access to life-empowering electricity, assuming they succeed.
		Imagine watching TV via the power of lightning.
		By using the Earth as a dynamo or by making use of the existing potential difference between the ionosphere and the Earth, Tesla had hoped to be able to generate electric charge which would be then dissipated around the world.
		The man was ambitious.
		Tesla's ambitions were thwarted by money.
		The first real Tesla tower, the Wardencliffe Tower, was near completion and showed encouraging signs.
		The project would be abandoned when Tesla himself spent all of his savings on the project.
		I'm Leo Ashcraft for Dark Matter News.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Weather again, back to Paris, France.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And Nassim, you still in place, I presume?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I am.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Good, good, good.
		All right.
		I believe we were talking with somebody in Middletown, Connecticut, and hopefully you're still there.
		Proceed, sir.
unidentified		Oh, I'm absolutely still here.
		Okay, good.
		I'd like to preface this question for your guest with, I'm an evil billionaire.
		It's McDonald!
		Well, no, instead of running for president this year, I decided that I would love to build an anti-gravity chamber in my house.
		Okay.
		Well, I have some concerns.
		Okay.
		And hoping your guests can answer them.
		When I'm floating in the air, now I kidnapped some of the best scientists from around the world to work on this.
		But they seem to not be able to answer the question of fire.
		Will I be able to smoke my marijuana as I float?
		Because if I can't float to a bag of Cheetos, I don't want to do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that probably leads to the question, one way to travel would be to modulate gravity, and this guy obviously travels a different way.
unidentified		He waited all that time, all that time to say that.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Oh, my God.
unidentified		If I knew, I could have reduced my three years' research long ago.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Adam, on Skype, you're on the air with us.
unidentified		Hey, you're sounding better than ever on this digital network here.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, it's pretty cool, isn't it?
unidentified		Oh, man, it sounds good.
		Fascinating guest there tonight, and he mentioned CERN earlier.
		And I had got just a couple questions for him about the people over at CERN.
		You hear about these increases in their TEVs, that they're spinning these particles around faster and faster and faster.
		And then you also hear about the closer you get to the speed of light, the more and more energy it takes.
		And I just thought it would be interesting from a practical standpoint.
		When they go from like 6.5 to 13 TeV, which is I guess a little over double or at double, they don't, I guess it's not linear as far as increasing the speed of these particles over there.
		Are they getting close to a point where there's like a really diminishing return because of putting so much more energy in, but not getting that much closer to the speed of light?
		Is that a concern for them?
		And the second part of that CERN question was, is it really anything to worry about about like a black hole being created out of the research over at CERN that just gobbles up the planet?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, as I was saying earlier, actually, there is an outside possibility in the mathematics that that could occur, and that's what has created so much concern in some of the scientific community and the public.
		You know, absolutely, you know, more energy you're putting into those things, you know, there is a diminished return as you get closer and closer to the speed of light.
		And, you know, there's more and more space variate time variations that are occurring.
		It gets very complex and it demands a lot of energy.
		And at the end of the day, and there's other physicists that would agree with this, the whole concept of smashing particles together to figure out how they work may not be a completely valid concept.
		And so it's really not clear that this is leading to something very practical and fundamental in our understanding of the universe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, Sam, I want to interject something.
		When we exploded the first atom bomb, I think there were many, many scientists who thought, you know, when they press that button, there is going to be a chain reaction in the atmosphere, and we're all going to die.
		Now, I'm not saying that everybody thought that, but many, many legitimate scientists thought that.
		Yeah, but they still pushed the button.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		They still pushed the button.
		I know.
		It's remarkable.
		Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit the same situation.
		There's an outside possibility that we could create a large enough energy event that it would create some disturbance.
		And generally, the scientific community doesn't believe so, but the fact is that the math does show that there is an outside possibility, and that's what has been creating a lot of controversy.
		As far as the validity of the experiment itself, I think there's a really good book, if you're interested, that's called The Higgs Fake by Alexander Hundbricker, which is a scientist from Germany.
		And I'm sorry, Unziker is his last name.
		And it's an excellent book because it gives a really good overall view, and certainly from his perspective, of the standard model of physics and why these experiments are not necessarily valid.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, they found the Higgs particle, right?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		They say they did, but that's the point, is when you do the analysis, at the end of the day, it's really unclear that they found anything.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, now they're looking for something they claim smaller than Higgs.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		But this is the problem with these accelerators.
		We've been doing this for a few decades now, is that we're always going to want to build a larger one and get a smaller particle.
		And my point is that that's not necessarily a valid exploration.
		Maybe we should understand how these particles interact with each other.
		What is the geometry of the field?
		And instead of trying to get a smaller and smaller and smaller particles, we might be able to do this to infinity.
		And it's been like that.
		We keep wanting to build larger accelerator and get smaller particles so that a few scientists can get a Nobel Prize for having discovered it.
		And that book actually is a nice analysis of this.
		And it shows that the complexity in the model that's being used right now is so high and it's so unclear what we're actually finding that it's not necessarily a valid exploration.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wayne in Michigan, your turn.
		We're running out of time.
		Hi, Wayne.
		We don't want you to give your last name on the air, okay?
unidentified		Oh, I'm sorry.
unidentified		Well, this is Javier.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's fine.
unidentified		Okay.
unidentified		And first of all, I got to say thank you for coming back on the airwave.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're most welcome.
unidentified		I have been listening to you since I was 15 years old.
unidentified		I am 37 now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thanks for that.
unidentified		And I have a question for your guest tonight.
		Yes.
		Mr. Nassim Aramein.
		Very good.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		It's a hard pronunciation.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Harmain, yes.
unidentified		Yes, yes.
unidentified		In Paris, France, I have one of my cousins is a diplomat, actually, and he works at the El Salvadorian Embassy in Paris, France.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Sherry, do you have a question?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Because we're way short on time.
unidentified		I do.
		I'm so sorry.
		Okay.
		My question is, how do you create the, because if you're traveling, you have to, basically you are pulling instead of pushing, if you know what I'm saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He knows what you're saying.
		He set that up.
		He's the one that told you that, yes.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		Well, how do you create such a vast depression, basically?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's a very good question.
		I'm going to hold it right there.
		The depression that you're rushing toward to get that acceleration is what he's asking.
		How do you create it?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Right.
		Well, that's the thing.
		And that's why, you know, although this was thought of and theoretically thought as a possibility, you know, it always was thought that it would take so much energy to create such a depression.
		But what we're discovering right now is that actually it only would take such an energy if you're not spinning the field.
		But if you're spinning the field, there's some new elements that are showing that actually space-time tend to want to spin with you.
		And it creates that depression with much less energy requirements.
		And that it's actually achievable even with very little energy.
		For instance, in the cases of the Finland experiments or in the case of the EM drive.
		So actually making this depression may not be that hard.
		And in fact, from what I found, that this kind of depression are being created naturally by our universe.
		And that's what actually produces everything we see, the material world we see.
		The little vortices depression in space-time that we call atoms.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe it will teach us.
		Lead the way, as it were.
		Mike Skype, you're on.
unidentified		Hey, Art.
		Just wanted to say you and the theme have been the most fascinating thing I've ever heard.
		I'm very happy to be a part of that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		My question here tonight is, earlier we had talked about This idea that information kind of persists.
unidentified		And so, my question is: does that open up the possibility of teleportation if we're able to extract that information and reconstruct it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Ooh, interesting.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Very good.
		Absolutely.
		It does do that.
		It does predict that this kind of stuff can happen.
		And it has been somewhat achieved by various experiments, some in Australia, this in the universities, where they were able to teleport photons of a laser beam and so on.
		So it actually is in the works as well.
		This be me up scuddy thing could be a possibility, absolutely.
		And as well, you know what?
		Art, you know, some color earlier, we were talking about psychic phenomenas and so on.
		This new view of the universe where there's this field of information that connects us all, all of a sudden, like starts to explain phenomenas that have been in the folklore for hundreds of years about people being able to remote view places they've never been at, you know, and all these things, remote healing, all this stuff.
		It starts to make sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It starts to connect the dots.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It connects the dots.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mike, does that answer it?
unidentified		It absolutely does.
		Thank you guys, Naseem.
		I'm going to go download your paper tonight and just tear into it.
		Thank you.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Good on you.
		Naseem, let me ask you, do you have a website?
		Do you have, I understand you teach some kind of online course.
		Tell us what you can about this while we have time.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yes, well, you know, we have a website called resonance.is, resonantis.
		And people can go there and download my papers.
		There's all sorts of information.
		Actually, you know what's really cool to read is the articles that we publish there.
		So if you go to the news and frequently asked questions, you can get on our articles list.
		And actually, we just published an article on the EM drive and all this stuff.
		And as well, we have an online academy with a very extensive course that gives all of the details of the theory, what it means, how it applies to our lives.
		And every month I go online and I answer all the questions that people have that are taking the course.
		And so there's all sorts of ways people can participate.
		They can become a member of our foundation, nonprofit foundation, research foundation, and get updates on what we're doing and all this.
		So resonance.is is our website.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What a neat URL.
		Resonance.is.
		On the phone.
		Hello there.
		You're on midnight.
unidentified		Hello?
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Yes.
		Hi, Audi.
		Oh, man.
		This is wonderful to talk to you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, thank you.
unidentified		Absolutely wonderful.
		Real quick, I think we're missing the big point here that he's trying to tell us, and that it has to do with spin.
		And I think that the theory of everything is going to come down to this idea of spin, because if you look at our solar system, if you look at our planets, if you look at even molecules and atoms, I believe that the very protons and electrons and everything like that even spin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I don't think that we missed it at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think that he laid it out very well earlier.
unidentified		I don't think we missed it.
		I'm saying that he was talking about the idea that he's trying to figure out an equation for the theory of everything.
		Yes, yes.
		And I think that spin, this concept of spin, that the equation that he's looking for may be in this idea.
		And just real quick, I even think that the Big Bang has this expansion, but I also think that it also spins.
		I think that the Big Bang also has a spin to it and not just an expansion and that the universe itself is actually spinning.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think you're absolutely right.
		We are so, so out of time.
		One last call, maybe.
		Cedar Rapids, very quickly.
		You're on midnight, hi.
unidentified		Hi.
unidentified		Good.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Go.
unidentified		My name is Brett.
unidentified		I'm in Cedar Rapids.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Okay, you have a question.
unidentified		For the guest about waves.
		Particles, we all know about particles and atoms and whatnot.
		And is there a way that there could be waves that would create the particles?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, very good.
		Absolutely.
		In fact, particles may be waves in the structure of space-time.
		As I was describing, basically a particle is not like a billiard ball.
		It's a field that's being generated in the structure of space-time itself.
		And that field is being generated because it's a little vortex.
		You can think of it as a little eddy in the structure of the vacuum at the quantum level.
		And this is how I solve those equations.
		So absolutely, these particles appear as particles, but they're actually little waveforms in the structure of space-time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's it.
		We're out of time.
		My friend, it has been an honor to have you on the program.
		You've been amazing, and we're going to have you back again.
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Art, it's an honor, and thank you so much for having me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And, gee, you know, tough it out there in Paris, huh?
nassim haramein ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Take care.
		That's it, folks.
		We're out of time, but boy, what a program, huh?
		In the high desert, in the great American Southwest.
		Have a good night, all.
unidentified		We'll be right back.
		The sun shine on you.
		Good night in the desert.
		I'm a less than, who I less than.
		Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
		I've been looking for the answers.
		All my life I found you there as the world we live in quickens.
		Are we heating all the signs?
		Have we lost our intuition?
		Are we running out of time?
		Midnight in the desert.
		And we're listening.
		Ooh, I'll listen to me.

▲