Jim Sparks, a land developer turned abduction witness, recounts 20+ years of encounters with telepathic "grays"—3-4 ft tall, robotic-biological beings—starting in 1988 after Houston abductions where he traced symbols and endured semen extraction experiments. Over 18 months, they showed him Earth’s environmental decline via holograms, warning humanity while claiming failed agreements to halt nuclear/biological weapons development. Sparks describes their advanced tech, like toxin-removing black boxes, and insists their suppressed solutions could address global crises if disclosed under proposed amnesty laws, framing his testimony as urgent despite skepticism and leadership dysfunction. [Automatically generated summary]
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Jim Sparks, a professional in the human abduction scenario.
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Jim Sparks is a professional abductee.
He's a lecturer and author of the most popular book, The Keepers.
He was raised in South Florida, educated in business.
His abductions actually began in 88, and I've done a number of interviews with him.
He is riveting.
At that time, he was living in Houston, working as a successful land developer.
You know, he was good.
He didn't have to become an abductee.
Initially, an unwilling abductee, in fact, his experiences transformed once he was able to put aside the rage.
And there'd be a lot of that, right, if you were abducted.
And he overcame his fear.
He began to understand he was encountering highly intelligent, advanced beings from other worlds.
Jim had been completely conscious of his face-to-face experiences.
It's lucky for us, or he wouldn't be able to tell us about them, right?
Giving him clear memories and amazing insight.
In the last two decades that he's been dealing with ETs, he's witnessed amazing sciences.
He knows there's a plan to elevate ourselves to better understand what these beings are about so we all might evolve.
Today, he realizes we, well, all of us, including him, are not alone.
Many others have gone through similar experiences.
Whether fortunate or unfortunate, he differs from most abductees in that he has total recall of his experiences with these beings from other regions and dimensions of time and space.
His goal is to explain the agenda of these beings and the message they bring to humanity.
Jim is coming to us all the way from Australia, we hope.
Well, actually, I think it's more than 7,000 because it's like 7,700 or something like that to the Philippines, and you've got to keep going to get to you.
Yeah.
All right.
You know what?
You probably didn't hear it in the beginning of the show, Jim, but we're on SiriusXM now.
Now, SiriusXM has like 27 million subscribers.
So a whole bunch of loyal people have come over, you know, who are my listeners, Jim.
But then we've got these like 27 million people, many of whom are hearing this show for the first time, and they never heard you, and they never heard your story.
So, you know, we're going to have to start from the beginning if we can.
Well, you know, I mean, you know what attributes them to be so difficult to understand and in the beginning, which is important that we go to the beginning, definitely, the early stages, because it makes more sense as we go along.
But there's something about them, there's something about the human condition that I would just like to go over with first before we get into the beginning stages of what that happened, that make it so difficult for us to understand them and to be what they are.
And so some of these things that I'll go over, you can probably see why it's that way.
When you think about it, you know, we're 90%, better than 90% of my interaction has been with what are commonly referred to as grays.
And I've got, you know, nearly 100%, if not 100%, total recall, you know, as you mentioned earlier.
I'm going to stop you right away, Jim, and I'm going to say, just on the off chance that there are not people on our channel, 104, that know what a gray is.
Would you describe for my audience as best as you can a gray?
It's a non-human, intelligent living being from another world.
Where it may be, I can't be certain, but there's a species known as grays.
And there's two types.
There's the ones that are about three, three and a half feet tall.
And these are really worker beans.
And these are the ones that most abductees talk about.
They have very large heads, teardrop-shaped head, with the huge eyes.
It's stuff you see a lot on television, with the no-nose and the thin mouth, and they're very short.
And the reason I say they're worker beans, because then through all the years of these experiences and interactions I've had, you find out that they're part robotic, and I believe them to be part biological.
And those are usually reported to be as the aliens.
But over time, I've learned they just work for the quote-unquote grays.
The grays are humanoid in a sense in a way, but they're not human at all.
Now, these are the ones we're talking to specifically.
Yeah, well, the smaller ones are the ones that usually come in and escort you or take you, but to go back to what a gray is, their heads are bigger than normal.
Their eyes are bigger than normal, but they're not as big as the giant teardrop eyes that people see, commonly referred to as aliens.
They have two holes for a nose and very thin lips.
And they're usually no taller than four feet, sometimes a little taller, maybe four and a half at the most.
And as I was saying, they're 100% telepathic.
And so they never speak.
And this is what makes it difficult.
So going into that, they have a tremendous amount of technology.
There are leaps and bounds ahead of us.
They can be invisible.
That's another thing they can do.
They can create a field where there's invisibility.
They have the ability to work in one dimension, have their working essence in one dimension, and part of their working essence here and themselves in another dimension.
So occupying the same space and time.
And all of that is a science.
They can pass through solid matter.
This is all technology.
This is all science.
All their technology is primarily thought-activated.
So what they think operates the technology, the machinery, whatever it may be.
Well, Jim, after you described them that way, when you first described them, I thought, hey, why not just haul back, make a fist, and knock one of these things clean across the room because they're little.
They're four feet.
I mean, so have at them.
But the way you describe them and what they can do has not happened.
Well, you know, as we go into the story, there'll be a part of it where, because, you know, in the early years I was very obstinate and, you know, it was a trauma at first, negative at first, and then it developed something where actually I thought about doing just that, and I'll go over to it.
So it's an interesting story, and I think you'll like it.
Sure you will.
And not to mention, you know, they can travel time.
Now, you know, I'm just going to this part right here.
And up to this point, you can kind of see why it's kind of difficult to say, hi, let's sit around and have a cup of coffee.
We're telepathic.
We can do this.
We've morphed dimensions.
We've got thought-activated technology.
And then, you know, you have beings that can think 10 to 100 times faster than we do.
And they have to slow way, way, way down just to communicate with us.
And I think another thing that makes it very difficult to be around them and why it takes time to know what they are, and that's what we'll be talking about, is the fact that when they communicate with you, they communicate to your real self, not our facade self.
And this is what I mean by a facade self.
When you're out in the street or you're out in the city and you're out around strangers, Nobody knows who you are.
And when you're communicating with people, you're talking to the shell of you because you can't let them inside because that's the way we operate.
And with them, but they can't see that.
So it means no privacy.
So when they communicate with you, they go right to the root of who you are, right to the core.
I'm sure that's got to be so unnerving, completely unnerving for you.
You know, somebody to be, I mean, it's bad enough somebody can read your facial expressions and your movements and your body language, but oh my God, if they could read your mind directly, you don't have a priority.
And it's terrible because, well, in the beginning it is, but you're going to learn how their culture is as I speak because there's absolutely no privacy.
Anything you've ever done in your life is on the table.
Anything, some little thing you've done as a child, maybe you're not proud of, or things that you're happy about are right there.
You can't hide them.
And I thought it was the most, you know, again, horrific thing.
And it took time to learn the fact that that culture is like that or that species is like that and nobody cares.
Well, it started, to me, I thought it was a dream, and it wasn't a dream.
And it led into the abduction scenarios, but everything has been face-to-face in the flesh where it's not dreamlike at all.
But in the beginning, they were gentle with me.
And one thing that I've learned over the years is you've got to get over your fears.
You're going to be afraid.
There's no doubt about it because it's so different.
But you always keep in your mind, they're not going to kill you.
They're not going to hurt you.
And that's the stand I always took because I always came back at one piece fine, except I was traumatized in those early years.
And it went the same way in the beginning.
In the first few weeks or months, it was a dream that something was coming into my bedroom, something or some things, and they were escorting me out of my bed.
I didn't see them at first, down the hallway and into the guest room, and then we would walk across the guest room and walk right through the window.
I'd get up in the morning and I'd be frightened to death.
And I was scared.
It was different.
I didn't know what was going on.
And, you know, I went into the guest bedroom.
And then right there, to make things even worse, was I could see my foot.
I went to the window.
I could see my Footprints in the lawn from the dew in the morning.
And then the flowers, my half of a heel was on one side of the window outside, and the ball of my feet was embedded in the carpet with the flowers stuck to them.
And my footprints were coming in through the room with the honeysuckle flowers on them.
So obviously there's a window there, there's a glass plate, so that's, you know, bizarre.
So it shook me up.
And I tried to keep that to myself as much as possible.
I mentioned it to my wife.
I was going back to work and doing business, but it was disturbing to me naturally.
And then something else happened, which changed the whole face of things even stronger.
And I was kind of in an awkward state because I was shocked by it.
And so she wasn't relating at all to that situation.
So that made it even harder.
And so it could be like you imagine.
But I was persistent because I'm known to be logical and straightforward and a factual type person.
And so when I talk about things to people, whether it be relatives, friends, whatever in business, whatever, you know, they trust me, whatever I'm saying is what's happened.
And so here I am talking about this weird stuff that I didn't even know what was going on at the time in the early sprang, so it was bad.
And then there was another way that that's called the easy way where they escort you to a craft to do what they're going to do.
And then there's another way called the hard way, which is even more traumatizing, which is if a craft is on the ground, they escort you to it the way I just described.
If a craft is in the air, then they have to pull you from space.
I mean, from the air, from your house.
And how you get up there is just gut-wrenching.
It's a loud, whirling, whooping sound in your head.
Your body's paralyzed.
You're screaming inside because you can't move.
You can't open your eyes.
And you're yelling to yourself inside, I don't want to die.
I don't want to die.
You feel this acceleration like you're going down a roller coaster only 100 times faster.
You can picture it's a soft technology that's used and there's a hard technology, not meant to hurt you.
It's just meaning that if they, let's say they land somewhere and they're coming to your house, they come and escort you and you're walking, actually, to the craft and you go on board and then the scenario begins.
So they're on the ground.
So that's what I call the easy way.
The hard way is this gut-wrenching feeling you get when they're in flight and they're whizzing by your place and they literally take you from your home or your car, wherever you may be, into their craft.
And that technology is just, they're hauling butt and they're pulling you on board.
And so, but, you know, they have you in a paralyzed state, and, you know, your eyes are closed, you can't see.
Yeah, you know, again, you know, I'm going through years one through six and, you know, the first six years, and they were traumatic, and they were a bit negative because I didn't have a frame of reference.
I didn't know what was going on.
I didn't know who they were.
And that's why I started off explaining in the beginning how different they are.
And, you know, so, you know, I wrote that book, well, I wrote a book, The Keepers.
And I put all of this in, you know, graphic, I mean, in all detail, committed to memory.
So there's a lot more detail in there.
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And anyway, in the beginning, again, you know, I found my so this is how I found myself on board for the first time, sitting on a bench.
And then in front of me was a table with a screen on it.
I was paralyzed all completely through my body.
The only thing that could move was my head up and down.
And I had my right arm leaning on the table.
I could move my right forefinger.
And then in front of me was a wall, and it had a screen on that wall.
So I call it a wall screen.
I call the thing in front of me now a table screen.
And that's where I was.
So everything is paralyzed from my vocal cords, my head to go up and down, no peripheral vision, and my right hand on this machine, which I didn't know was a teaching machine at the time.
And anyway, so if you can imagine finding yourself there, you're in a room that's dimly, the lights coming from nowhere, but yet everywhere at the same time.
So there's no source, but yet it's emanating from everything.
In the beginning, though, I didn't know what it was.
I was just more scared of where I was at that time.
And, you know, and yeah, and so even when I got back home, you know, I couldn't cope.
It was hard for me to cope.
So it was hard for me to go back to business.
It was hard for me to, you know, function normally.
I was just afraid of them.
And, you know, they were doing this to me two, three times a week, every week in those first few months.
And so as you imagine, I tried to get away from them, as feeble as it was at the time.
You know, I would get in my car when I would drive.
At the time, I was doing business in Texas, and I would drive into Houston, and I would go into a big hotel, and I'd check out a room in the middle thinking they couldn't get me, and I would be abducted.
And, you know, so I mean, there's an antidote I have.
You know, they come a godzillion miles to get here and pull people.
And I'm going to drive a few hundred miles and think I'm going to escape.
So, you know.
And nonetheless, that was hard.
And so they did different kind of, you know, during the course of it, there was emotional experiments.
There was different kind of things that took place in these abduction scenarios.
And, you know, I would scream, why me, why me?
And they would never answer any questions.
And, you know, after several months of this, and this alphabet, by the way, I call it an alphabet, it started with the A, like you said, and then it went to B. And I remember at the time I literally cried going, oh my God, because it took me so long to get the A, what are we going to do, the whole alphabet?
And as it turned out, every time they pulled me, you know, now it's a B, and now it's a C. And there's a symbol for it, and I had to be precise with it.
And if I was a bad student, they'd keep me there.
Sometimes they would just leave me alone.
I got to start seeing them.
They were finally getting in my view.
And that's where I saw the little worker beans, and that's where I saw the graves.
It's how I knew aliens, but they weren't communicating with me.
They weren't nice to me.
And so, you know, it's like they, you know, I felt like I was in a, like, you know, in the proverbial school where you put the dunce hat out and you sit in the corner.
And so if I wouldn't cooperate, you know, they just ignored me and walked out.
Once the alphabet and the number system was down, I call it pulled.
When I say abducted, I use the terminology pulled, meaning from point A to point B. So when I got pulled one particular evening, and here I was sitting on a bench, and there I was with the alphabet.
And out of nowhere, because they've never done this before, came some normal text lettering with 50 pages like on that wall screen, one page at a time, approximately 30, about right close to 50 pages.
And it was about a story in regular block lettering that everybody can read, you know, when you get anything like newspaper print.
And it was a story about a friend of mine named Jerry.
And Jerry, page after page, they went through his entire life from a child where he went to school, who he dated, who he married, and I'm reading this thing, right up on through the present, and it looked like it was even gone a little bit into the future.
Now, after I read these pages, because it was something I can read, I yelled and screamed, what are you doing?
And of course, I made up every cuss word you can think of for them, and new ones that probably no one ever heard at that time.
And why are you doing this?
And then a most astounding thing took place that started a transformation.
And it goes back to knowing you're learning something, as you mentioned earlier.
The next page that came up, instead of being in our text, it came in, or our text, it came in their symbols.
But it was about a half a page, not even a half a page.
And every symbol that I read, I knew the symbols from that.
I could read the whole story and understand the whole story in a matter of just a couple of minutes, or less than that, maybe less than a minute.
Here's the whole story.
So they took 50 pages of text, compressed it into these symbols, and now you can get the whole story in detail, in graphic detail, in less than a minute.
If they were giving you their alphabet and number sequences, okay, but how were you able to read their symbols and have, in other words, our alphabet, for example, is used to make up words.
And so when you learn the alphabet, you can put sounds together, but that doesn't add up to understanding necessarily.
So as you read their symbols, how did you have an understanding of what you were reading?
And with them being there, it worked that way with the brain.
They're reviewing everything, and it's pieced together in a way from our alphabet to their symbolism, and the symbols equated to our alphabet.
But it's almost like shorthand, but for some reason the brain picks it up right away, and that's just something they're able to do.
No, it gets even better than that.
Just to show you, the walls were blank, and one of them held up something the size of a 50-cent coin and slashed it in front of my face.
Just for a second.
It had a few something scribbled on it, symbols scribbled, and flashed it in front of my face, and I got the whole story in less than a second.
And so the best way for you to describe, yeah, so this is how their minds work, and it was a way to relate to me faster ways to communicate.
So it bypasses a lot of the things that we have to do.
We're all physical.
The eyes have to see it.
It has to go into the brain, vortex, whatever, however that works.
I'm not a medical student, but it goes into your brain and translates into language, and the brain seeing the language and translates it into something you can understand.
But it bypasses all that stuff, and the symbols go right to the brain with a story, so it's really advanced.
And it's a way of getting a lot of information in a quick time.
So the best way I can describe that is like if you can name any movie, think of any movie you want to.
Can you come up with the name of any movie?
It doesn't matter what it is.
World War Z. Okay, World War Z. Everything about that movie, when we hear about a movie that we've seen before, we know it.
We know the emotions behind the movie.
We know the storyline.
We know who the actors are.
We knew what everything was going through.
So that entire movie, since you've seen it, is in there in your mind, right?
Now they can flash a symbol, and you can get a two-hour movie, but it wouldn't be a movie.
They can take a two-hour event and put it in front of you quickly, and you'll have the whole movie if it were a movie, which they don't do movies, but any kind of an event in your mind.
So even though that alphabet was something that was amazing to me, it wasn't enough at that time for me to not like them.
I still didn't like them.
But one thing started to lead into another, but I still had that in me to want to take them down.
So now here's how wild it got in those years, that they would come into the house, literally, using the technology and their science.
And before they would pull me or abduct me, they would actually come into the house and make themselves, in a sense, at home.
And I'm not being silly.
I mean, they would look at things in the house, like what humans are using or whatever.
And that's how crazy this is.
It's like a movie.
You're sitting there, you know, I'm sitting in my armchair, and here's this thing walking around looking at stuff.
So with that in mind, with that in mind, before I would be escorted, because now I'm completely conscious, but yet I'm under their control when they abduct me.
I'm partially paralyzed.
I got a little better to take me from point A to point B, which is on board, but not always the same way.
Sometimes I would black out and then I would find myself there.
But more or less what I'm saying, there were times that they would come to the house, inside the house.
And so I figured now this is my chance because I finally got up the guts to say, I'm going to kill an alien.
And so then I can tell you how I decided to do it.
And maybe you would do the same thing.
Which was kind of wild.
So the first thing I did was knowing that they're going to come into the house from time to time, I wanted to be ready for them.
So I went to the gun store and bought a .357 Magnum.
Well, you know, enough just to take a few, you know, burn the stomach there a little bit every few minutes for a while.
But, you know, but it did work because I didn't have any kind of like, because I don't want to kill anything.
You know, I mean, you want to kill them, but, you know, the actual thought of doing something is one thing, and actually actual physical bringing yourself to something like that is another, which I'm about to go over.
Because when they came in, now here I am on the chair, and they got me at the right timing.
I took my few sips of the alcohol, and I did have the pistol ready.
And one of them was walking into the living room, and then he walked right in front of me, and had no fear, or didn't show anything because he earned his gun sitting there, didn't care.
And then he turns his back on me, and he's looking like he's looking at the television set.
Now, his back and his head is turned to me.
And so I pick up the pistol, and I take it, and I point it right directly to the back of his head.
It was only a couple of feet away.
And then I got my finger on the trigger, and I yelled something at him, which was, I said, you are so damn stupid.
You come thousands of miles with all this high technology, and you don't even know how to turn on a television set.
And I'm going to kill you.
I'm going to kill you.
And I put my finger, I had my finger on the trigger, and I couldn't pull it.
I just couldn't bring myself to pulling it after all those years of them not being nice to me and everything.
Because I'm at home, I can move around because it got silly when I was at home being paralyzed on board, in a sense, because they knew nobody believed me and I wasn't talking to anybody, and it's just something I had to deal with.
And I didn't kill him, but the telepathic voice says, he said to me telepathically, he said, we know, the words weren't accurate, we know you're not a killer and you're not.
We know you're not a killer and you're not.
And quite frankly, I winked, you know, and then I got pulled.
But this is something that started changing things because now I understand the reason for this alphabet.
Now I realize I can't kill them.
And what I didn't know was going to happen here is now we've got a bond or a trust is building.
It took them six years to get to this point to trust me, to start to trust me, and even in that way.
And if, in fact, they were able to read your mind, then they did, in fact, know that you were not a killer, that you could not bring yourself to kill, even though you'd prepped to do it and had everything you needed, including a little liquid courage, that you weren't going to kill anybody at all.
Now, I still don't know, really, it's leading to something.
In fact, I'm really deflected.
You know, I'm just down.
It was depressed to me because, you know, I wasn't going to do it and I couldn't do it.
Why are they here?
Why me?
Why me?
And all of this.
And now things, I started getting answering.
Answers, I mean.
So answers now started occurring.
So the next time I got pulled, they would never answer any of my questions.
No matter what, I would never get an answer to any question.
And I later learned that they just wouldn't, well, anyway.
And I was so frustrated on one abduction, right at, well, that abduction after it, I said, you know, why me?
Why me?
Why me?
You know, what's making me different from anybody else?
And I got a holographic, something that looked like a hologram came up basically in thin air on board, you know, when I was sitting in front of there, in front of the wall screen, because here I am in my, I can move my head up and down state still.
I was still paralyzed.
And I saw a scene of, it was a World War II scene.
And in that World War II scene, I could see a face that looked like mine.
It was a soldier.
And anyway, it looked like, actually, what it was was two officers.
It looked like a German officer and an Italian officer.
So my bloodline is Italian, but I mean I've been third generation, whatever, second generation.
I mean, I'm American.
And nonetheless, they were doing something together, but the face on that soldier or that officer kind of looked like a family member.
And anyway, it kind of makes sense to me to look at that because my father told me, you know, he died right at 90, but he told me back before World War II that because he was working and living in Italy and back to the United States at the time, he said that before the war and this war was coming, that they had no choice.
Some of them had to fight for the Axis power.
And then we had the rest of my family fighting here for us.
Okay, so the answer was, if I've got it straight, Jim, that it was you because you are simply the current one in the long line that they've been following in your lineage, yes?
We're going to do a break here, a quick break, and we'll be right back.
Jim Sparks.
And, you know, as you listen to this, you'd have to...
Well, I guess you could, but it would be one hell of a makeup, wouldn't it?
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We've got a rough phone connection with Jim Sparks, really rough, and it's begun to sort of get a little digital in nature, he's on a landline phone, so I'm not sure what we're facing here, but we'll attempt a reconnect in the next break.
See if we can improve things.
Get a little rough, Jim.
You're certain, you know, starting to break up every now and then, but please let us continue and see how we do.
And when I went to the right, I looked into the room, and I got frightened to death.
Basically, because there were these, they looked like beings.
I didn't know what they were.
They were laying on their back.
They were staring into the ceiling with their eyes open, and they weren't moving, and they were laying on these gurneys.
And there were dozens of them like that.
And so I panicked, and I started yelling, I started screaming.
They're dead.
They're dead.
And I just couldn't relate to that in any way, shape, or form.
And so I was in a complete panic mode.
And one of them came in from behind.
I could sense his presence and he blacked me out.
So what this was leading to was the fact that they were actually showing me some of the things they do, some of their handiwork, you know, which leads to a whole nother area, as I later learned.
You may be aware, Art, back in the mid-90s, early to mid-90s, there was a campaign where they were, you heard about making hybrid humans and all this kind of stuff was going on where they were.
Well, you know, I later learned what the purpose of that was, and as gruesome as this is going to sound, is that they do take the material from men and women to work on things and to create, well, an insurance policy, so to speak.
And these are some of the things that are going to be hard to digest, but they see that we as humans are caught in this vicious cycle where we start off basically as a primeval era where basically we're tribal people and villages and such.
And then as hundreds or thousands of years go by, we civilize and then we create, we have our technology, and then we're at the brink of self-destruction.
And this is something they seem to know about our nature.
So there was a campaign in those years to create, put together, in case we did self-destruct.
Well, apparently they've been watching our Congress here in the U.S. Well, you know, I mean, you know, they worked on creating a better human being.
So in case we did self-destruct, it would be one that's more intelligent, more environmentally concerned.
But, you know, with that being said, you know, I was seeing part of that process, but, you know, it made me scared to death.
And they had to black me out.
But it was the beginning stages of letting me walk around.
And, you know, then I, you know, I'm going to go into a period where I just kind of failed miserably for them to for me to adapt to what they are.
And I came out of it in another abduction experience where I got pulled again.
And when I got pulled this time, it was, again, I was able to move around.
I was on a gurney.
They were doing a procedure with a test, and I was laying there.
And then they asked me to get up off the gurney and walk over to another one.
Now I had the freedom to walk to that.
There was a semen extraction where usually what I'm seeing during those times, and this is the stuff that was just went along with this, was periodically that's what they would do.
And the way they would do it was to create images of something pleasant.
And me and this story I like to tell because it was a breaking story in a sense where this was happening, where I was pulled, I was laying on a gurney, and to my left were two very attractive women, but they weren't real, but they were made to look real.
And one of them was talking very nice to me, and the other one was touching my hair, at least in my mind they were, and saying, my anthony handsome.
And as soon as they said that, I'm thinking, I don't know these women.
And I shake my head around, and everything blanked out.
And what I can see in front of me was exactly what they were doing, which was they had an instrument on the groin, and there was one in the middle holding it in place, and then there was two on the right and the left.
And I panicked, and I kicked him, the one in the middle.
And I actually physically kicked him, and he went into the back of the wall.
So he went backwards and hit the wall back there.
He hinged up, he came up forward, started coming at me, and I'm laying on the gurney.
I'm scared to death.
What is he going to do?
And he put his face right within an inch of my face and stopped right there.
And those big eyes were looking in my eyes.
And he had 100 thoughts.
He raced into my mind in just a matter of a second.
Meaning that if I slowed him down, why did you kick me?
You shouldn't have kicked me.
You know, it's dangerous to kick me.
You can get hurt.
I can get hurt.
This and this and that.
And then I blacked out.
So with that being said, I found myself back home and I wasn't very happy with things.
I'm thinking, you know, what's going to happen next?
They gave me some freedom to go around on board.
You know, they're showing me some of the things we're conducting and I panick.
They gave me some freedom to, as far as what they're doing and some of the agenda they were up to at the time.
And I kicked one of them, and I didn't mean to.
And so for several months afterwards, several months afterwards, I didn't get abducted again.
All right, during the time that you were being abducted, was this occurring?
Michelle, who can send me a message on my computer through something called the wormhole at my website, rpell.com, plug, plug, asks, if you were being abducted every night.
Was this occurring nightly or every other night or once a week or how often?
In the first 18 months, it could happen two or three times a week for several months in a row.
There might be a couple of weeks that it wouldn't happen a week or two, and it was two or three times a week, and it was mostly at night, definitely, in the first 18 months.
That's what I'm figuring, and it gave me a lot of time to think about it, that, you know, I failed miserably, in a sense, because now after six years of being paralyzed, I'm able to move around, and I made trouble.
And so several months go by, and then something spectacular happened, which, again, these things change the sequence of events that were just phenomenal.
And so I got, after several months, I got pulled again.
And I was standing in this room and where I always was.
Again, I was not paralyzed.
I was by myself at first.
And my right hand was leaning up against the table.
That's how I found myself after I got pulled and came to.
I was completely mobile, standing there, and thinking, all right, I'm back.
Okay, what are they going to do now?
I had no clue.
And two of them came walking through a corridor, and one of them had a black box in his hand.
And I was a little bit frightened, you know, looking at the black box, not knowing what it was.
It was about the size of a shoebox, only it was perfectly square.
It was absorbent black.
And they walked forward.
As they walked towards me, he put it on the table, which was that table screen that I described earlier, and he pushed it towards me.
And I could see those weird bony fingers pushing it towards me on the table.
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Well, actually, it was a place, and it was a real place.
And it was definitely real.
They had cleared the woods for this particular experience.
It was an overcast night.
And I even got a basic idea, I believe, where it was, which was somewhere just south of Orlando, Florida, and north, maybe northeast of Tampa.
And the reason I surmised that, because it was a completely overcast evening when I was there.
And the next day when that experience was over, at the time I was a big fan of the weather channel, you know, back there at that time anyway.
And so I went onto the weather channel to see if I can figure out, you know, where it was overcast in the United States, because I could tell by the trees that they were pine trees, so I knew I was in the southern United States.
And I knew I wasn't North Florida and the panhandle, the pine trees turn into a different species.
And then southern Florida and central Florida, they're distinctly different.
And these are the trees that I could relate to in that part of Florida, so that was a clue.
And also, when I looked at the weather channel, it happened to be the time of year where we had a big, big cold front coming through, you know, that rocketed the United States.
And it pushed the clouds all the way up into just south of Orlando.
And then, you know, basically from the central United States all the way up, you know, it was clear.
And then that was the area that was overcast in that kind of weather.
So I figured it to be in that proximity over there.
And so going into the interior, which is about to take place, and that girl, I mean, these were things that were taking place that were beyond my comprehension, and yet I was starting to get an understanding of things.
And I was starting to feel a little better about what was going on because I didn't realize that actually they have an agenda.
The agenda is a positive one for us.
And if we follow it, there's a way for the human species to evolve.
And I just, at the time I was clueless.
It just took all these years to bring us up to these things.
And it took time for me to get comfortable with these people or these beings.
So anyway, there were things that led up to that moment on the beach.
And anyway, led up to that place.
And there was something that happened that brought me there.
And these were a sequence of events.
And when the girl was sitting there and she was in a panic stage and they said to me, calm her, then as I was saying earlier, I felt a freedom to do something about it.
But there were things that led up to this point.
Things that led up to the point to give me the freedom that I wanted.
So with that in mind, they said, calm her.
So I went up to this girl and I put my hand on her shoulder and I said, you have nothing to be afraid about.
You're going to be okay.
Nothing's going to hurt you.
They're going to take you on board.
They're going to teach you this alphabet.
And then the telepathic voice from the alien says, you're telling her too much.
Just calm her.
And so then there was a guy, there was one man that was standing up, and he was standing up next to me.
And he was the only one that was standing there.
And this is a person that all these abductions that I later on saw when I got back home, because of all the people I did have abductions where I could see people and other people instead of being trapped into that room.
And that's where this is moving to.
But that one particular person I did get to see back home.
And it was interesting how that turned out.
And I can talk a little bit about him as I go into this part of it.
And so I calmed her.
And this guy that was standing up, which I didn't mention earlier, he was the only one that was standing.
And he was Dave, he was saying, I was driving in my car.
I was driving in my car.
I was driving in my car.
So he had got abducted, and he was riding along in his vehicle.
Or maybe they had him pulled over, but that's his last memory.
And then, and here he is there.
Then the people who were on the ground started moaning, the ships, the ships.
And I looked over to my left, and I see three balls of light in the horizon.
And they, I guess the best way I can describe them was the fact that it was an overcast night at the time was when car dealers or any kind of thing was advertising and they used those million candle light searchlights, you know, to pay in the, you know.
And it kind of looked like that.
There was three balls of lights.
And one of them just hauled from the horizon right on top of my group of people.
And to the left, it was still behind the clouds.
It was overcast.
The other one, they went right in succession to the next group of people.
And then another one came to the third group of people.
And they were hovering above each three groups.
And I was the one on the first group.
So I was looking up at the sky, and I saw the ball of light, and it started to descend.
And as it broke through the clouds, I saw one of the it was just, it was just the most spectacular sight that I ever saw in my life.
And my heart was racing.
I had joy inside me.
I was elated by this thing.
Because of everything that I had been going through and all this negative stuff that was progressing, I'm now seeing the exterior of a craft.
And as it started lowering, I'm looking up at it and it was spherical shaped.
It had like a dome underneath the bottom.
There were windows all around the dome.
And then there was a dome on top of it.
And as it kept coming down, I could see through the windows grays going back and forth as if they were looking down out through a window, as if they're checking it out down there.
And I could see what I thought were people, humans, at the time.
I know that they are people behind these windows.
And they would look down too.
And then to my left, the other craft started descending over that group of people.
And then the next group further to my left, it started descending down in perfect sequence.
And I just stepped out in front of those people.
And I kept walking forward towards it with my hands up in the air because this light came out of it.
And it was a bright light that hit the ground, a beam of light, a very wide beam of light.
Well, I guess it was, well, when I came to, because when I came to, I was standing on my feet, and I was in this huge corridor.
And That group of people that were all sprawled over the ground were standing up.
And I was in front of the group, and they were standing there.
They kind of looked like zombies, basically, but they weren't paralyzed.
They were just standing there.
They weren't saying anything.
And here it is, a corridor in this craft, inside this craft.
And the next thing, the telepathic voice said, lead them.
And so, in my mind, I knew it meant that to walk forward.
And as I took a step, they took a step.
Now, this guy that I was talking about, he was next to me, the one I later saw again in real life, down here, I should say.
And anyway, and lead them.
And so as I walked forward, they walked forward.
I kind of played around a little bit and stopped, and they stopped.
And then this corridor opened up into this room inside this ship, about the size of a basketball court.
And it was just huge.
And all I could see was rows.
What I could see at that point was rows and rows and rows and rows of something that looked like monitors, like a bench, a workbench, and a monitor in front of it, some monitor that we didn't use.
And then at the end of the back wall, there was all this activity going on.
I could see grays going back and forth.
I can see human beings in normal everyday clothes working with them.
And this whole thing was just like riveting.
I didn't understand what was going to happen or what was going to go on next, as you can well imagine.
But this was a mass abduction, and this was the beginning of a mass abduction.
And at this point, I was still clueless as to what are they going to do with us.
I had no idea.
And so the next instructions to me were, feet them.
And so I took the person that was right next to me, and I walked forward and walked next to him, and he followed me.
And I walked about to the middle of one of those lines of monitors and an aisle.
And I stopped, and I was looking around to want to see more.
And a telepathic voice goes, no, like, don't do that.
And, you know, because I was supposed to see them to the end, and I didn't want to, I still kept looking.
I kept looking.
I saw people.
I saw graves.
And then the voice said, no, real loud in my head, and then said, no, again, and then I blacked out.
Bill in Defiance, Ohio is asking, and I'm asking too, at this point, you're cooperating with these aliens.
And I wonder if you're doing it because you have resolved in your mind that what's happening is a good thing and you should be doing it, or whether you have essentially joined others who have been affected by the Stockholm Syndrome, where you just sort of eventually melt into their culture?
Well, I would have to argue the Stockholm syndrome because what it turns out to be with that is your mind is always free.
You have a choice.
You can do what you want.
You know, I've never felt led to do anywhere but that.
And what I learned over the years, and it took years to learn it, is that you just can't invite them to your home, or they can't just land on the White House lawn and say, we're here.
And you can't necessarily invite them to your home and have a cup of coffee and say, tell us what you're all about, because they just don't relate that way.
And, you know, as I was saying in the beginning, they're just what makes it difficult for us is just because of the way they are.
They're just not human beings.
They're extremely intelligent.
They're extremely advanced.
They don't associate.
They don't socialize the same way.
They're just not that.
I wish I could say they socialize like us.
They have no emotions, but I later learned that they have a long view of emotions, and you would think they didn't have any.
And as time went on, I learned that they do have feelings, but they don't express it necessarily like we do.
And so it's just very difficult to be with them.
So these things are necessary, you know, for me to get there.
So, no, I never felt like now my captives, you know, these are my captives, and it's the syndrome going on.
So I was elated by what was going on.
I was a little stubborn, I guess a little bit out of order, because I was asked to do something and participate instead of being this, and this is what this led to, which was, you know, pretty fantastic.
Because I did black out, because when I blacked out, I came to.
And then I realized when I got conscious again that I was sitting in front of one of these monitors, and I looked around, and there were literally over a thousand people seated in this room.
This is a mass abduction.
And we were all seated in front of these monitors.
Yeah, for whatever reasons that they have me black out that way.
But in this case, you know, when I was looking around, I could see thousands of people.
I mean, to me, there was anywhere between 1,100, 1,200 people in this room.
And what was going to happen next, I wasn't sure.
And all of a sudden, all these monitors lit up at the same time.
And it looked like a demonstration of when you're selling televisions, TV sets, television sets at night, you know, in front of a glass plate window for the store, bam, they all went on at the same time.
And so I'm looking at mine, and the first image, now there's an image that comes onto the screen.
You're somehow your emotions are charged up, as you might imagine, but you're not afraid.
And you're sitting in front of this monitor, and it lights up, and it's the first thing I see.
And everybody's seeing the exact same thing at the exact same time.
And again, it's a mass abduction scenario.
And it's a perfect picture view of the ocean, the Earth, in perfect pristine condition from a time period before we messed up the oceans, I would take it.
The water was just beautiful blue and a turquoise.
The sky was crystal clear, and it just absolutely took your breath away.
And that's what you hear people, they're going, oh man, that's beautiful, that's beautiful.
And you can hear, imagine that kind of reaction with a thousand people or more in one room like that, emotionally overwhelmed.
So how they charged us up to feel it more, which we did.
And then you heard a hum, and it fades away.
And then hum.
There's another view comes up on this screen.
And it's the beautiful wood scene with a lake.
And again, the air is clear.
The trees are healthy.
And then you hear a hum, hmm, hmm.
And then another scene comes up.
And then this scene is a mountain scene with snow on the top, beautiful snow, and just one beautiful scene after the other.
And there was that humming sound, and then it would come on and it would go away.
And then they slowly started turning ugly.
And the beautiful, the next scene that comes up, which was the beautiful ocean, the pristine ocean, now it's gray.
There's bloated fish floating on the top of it.
The sky's looking rank and polluted.
And now you have the opposite feeling.
You're going, oh my God, this is awful.
You're breathing like that.
This is awful.
This is awful.
Then you see the mountain scene, and acid rain is eating the trees, and you're just getting pulled into these scenes.
And then words come across the screen, start to come across the screen, and they just say, as each scene, it gets uglier.
This is what I know them to do by, you know, of all the years of being pulled and seeing different things go on, is they take the memory away and just leave the message that they impart in your mind.
And I surmise that to mean that because, you know, we're all alike when it comes to something like that.
Now that, you know, the abduction phenomena that's been going on now for over, you know, geez, 20 years or more, 30 years, maybe even longer than that, most of these memories have to be pulled out.
People have partial memories, a little better than partial memories.
You know, hypnotic regression brings out some memories in people.
And so, you know, I think it's don't look at the messenger, just listen to the message.
In other words, as these folks were subjected to what our planet looked like in 15th century, and then what we are turning it into, I guess it would turn anybody into an environmentalist.
And then if you erase the memories of the abduction, What they would be left with would be, I don't know, good for the planet, right?
And if we really are headed on that kind of a course, and we are destroying our planet, I'm not immune to that concept.
We may well be destroying our planet.
Then doing what they're doing would make sense, and they wouldn't remember.
So, I mean, with that being said, you know, I come to believe that there are many, many, many mass deductions, and it could be considered maybe tens of thousands.
You know, some people estimate millions, some people estimate more.
And, you know, in fact, right after that happened, there's sort of an antidote that's kind of funny, a funny scene happened, which was after we all got the message, you know, again, you know, we black out.
And when I came to, I came to in a room that reminded me of a locker room of sorts, because it was just my group of people, or the group of people that I had led into the corridor for this message.
And they were, again, they could move around, but they were traumatized, and they were frightened, they were scared, and it was like sort of like what you were just saying, and it makes sense that they might take that away so they can get the message, but they were still, they were disoriented, they didn't know where they were.
And again, I was asked, you know, to calm a few of them, which I did.
But the anecdote is there was a telepathic sort of a PA message that everybody got at the same time, which was no one can leave until you find your exact clothes.
And these people went from woe to all of a sudden they jumped up on their feet and their clothes were flying all over the place, and you think they haven't folded nice and neat for them.
And, you know, then I found myself back home.
And, you know, so there were a lot of things that, you know, again, this is something that's been going on up, you know, to now that, you know, led me to feel better about what they are and what they do, even though they're strange.
They're just strange to us.
And so there was a few more events that they opened up to me that just made me a happier person with them.
And then I realized that I'm one of the few people that can actually keep the memory.
And I'm finding out they're not doing horrible things.
They're teaching us something.
I'm not sure what the alphabet thing was, but it was pretty cool to get two hours worth of, or an hour's worth, or a half hour's worth of information less than a second and know the whole thing.
So maybe that's something for us to look forward to.
And I always complained.
I said, you know, how come you people just can't, and there was a sequence of events that were pretty neat to bring me where I am today and feel better about it and talk about it.
But I used to complain on board, you know, why can't you just be normal?
Why can't you just like land somewhere and say hi?
You know, have a little social.
They had no social, you know, be a little social with it.
And so there's a couple things that took place that were granted to me.
And one of which was which led up to it.
Well, anyway, it's going to lead up to some other stuff.
One of which was I was my folks at the time lived in Miami and I was staying over in the west coast of Florida, Fort Myers Beach to be exact at that time.
And I had went over to visit my parents and I went into my bedroom as a boy, you know, before I left home, you know, to take a nap.
And I went into the bedroom and as soon as I laid my head on the bed, I was actually I was on my side sort of almost on my belly kind of thing, you know, to take a nap.
As soon as I hit the bed, it was this super loud sound like lightning strike that was so incredibly loud in my head, it was just ear splitting.
And then I found myself elevated above my bed, and I was maybe three, four feet in the air, and my arms were waving, oh, oh, oh.
I didn't know what was going on, and I turned and I looked at the doorway, and three of them were standing at the doorway.
And the telepathic message said, we're here.
And blam, they dropped me back onto the bed and disappeared.
They didn't even abduct me.
All right, so there's a cynical sense of humor starting to develop.
I'd say it was a sense of humor and their sense of humor too.
We have social graces, too.
Because I asked them, you know, why do you have to abduct me?
Come over and say we're here or hi, hello.
You want to join us or something?
And that's all they had to say telepathically was, we're here, and dropped me back down on the bed safely.
And then, you know, this was a three or four month campaign that was going on.
And I was some neat stuff that started taking place.
And so now it was a week or so later, and I'm driving along.
I had a little Toyota pickup at the time, and I had a couple of dogs that were my best friends.
One I kept for, one lived for 21 years, and the other one lived for 15 years, you know, And I still grieve when I think about them from time to time, but you know how that is with animals.
And now I see what I thought, and here again, this is a science that they do, because they do these things under our noses completely.
I don't care how good our technology is, all the defensive detecting systems that we have, they can come in and out of our skies, and there's nothing we can see.
And it's something I think I learned is they transmit.
They transmit things so the mind or the brain and the machines can't pick things up, even the mind.
And here's a perfect example.
I'm driving down the highway and the technology is so wondrous.
I see in front of me, which didn't make any sense at all, about maybe far less than a quarter of a mile, they have diamond-shaped ships.
I call them diamond-shaped.
It's like a pyramid on the top and a pyramid on the bottom.
And I see one of these things where the top of it is going through the road and through the across the road onto the other side into a field.
And so I know it's not paving a big crater into the road because everybody would know, but that's the way it came across.
And I took my foot off the accelerator and I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
And then I thought, go into the sky.
And then it was in front of me in my car.
So I pushed down hard on the accelerator and tried to follow it.
And the faster I went, the faster it kept going back.
And the more I slowed down, the slower it went.
It only wanted me to get so close.
And then this is where I got the term the keepers.
The keepers.
The keepers.
And as it was hanging in the sky, I could see they transmitted these thoughts and pictures in my mind.
And clearly it was there to see.
The ship, it was in all its glory.
It was phenomenal.
And what I could see was a judapeg of things.
I could see the seeds they were collecting.
I could see the plant life they were collecting.
I could see the seedlings.
I could see the trees, the little baby trees, you know, the saplings and all of this stuff.
And then the message was, the keepers are here.
And they refer to it as their people for whatever reason.
The keepers are here to take their people home to a better place, not a different world.
I expect them to say world.
So that's where I got the name, the keepers, you know.
And that's what they referred themselves to.
So now I got a name finally because I'm saying, who are you?
Where are you from?
What are you doing?
Why are you here?
You know, they wouldn't tell me for all these years.
And here I am now, you know, six years, seven years, eight, nine, ten years later.
In that particular, what I got to see, and only what I got to see, I can only move on to, which all I could see was biological, biological, I mean plant life, primarily biotics, plant life.
Well, based on what you've told me so far, this is me again, but based on what you've told me so far, Jim, it sounds to me as though they needed assistance from a human.
And they went to the trouble to train you.
But that is not what they were trying to do with others.
Or if it is, you haven't talked about it yet.
In other words, did you ever meet any others like yourself who were obviously supposed to be assistant?
The person who doesn't want to come forward and a lot of people that want to come forward was another event, though, I should say, that took my breath away.
Because in that mass abduction, where there was over 1,000 people, there was a person that I assisted more than any of them there.
And, you know, you can see their faces.
And, you know, and anyway, I was closest to this guy because he was afraid.
And I was constantly calming him in the earlier stages, you know, before we went into the corridor.
And, you know, and even after, because again, the details I wrote.
Anyway, when we were in the antidote where we were in this locker room thing, he was afraid more than anybody.
But he was a guy, a normal guy, but he just, anyway, I communicated with him the most and anybody in that event.
And I forgot about him.
I forgot all about his people.
It's nothing because, you know, hey, have I seen one?
And later on, I had attended a conference where this was before I came out as a lecturer and a speaker and so forth.
And I was at a conference and I was standing outside by myself to stretch my legs.
And here comes this person with one of those huge cameras on his shoulder, like a media person.
And he's walking by, and I said to myself, oh my God, it's that guy.
And then to watch him walk by, he stops and the camera's rocking back and forth.
And I'm going to, you know, the camera rocks back and forth because he picks a stop because obviously he sees me and it occurs to him, I must know this person.
And he turns around and walks up to me and he says, do I know you?
We were in this big abduction and all this stuff right off the bat.
I wanted him to tell me something.
And so that's when it got interesting because he looks at me and says, I know I know you, but I just can't place where it is.
And I'm biting my tongue because I know this guy.
So again, he doesn't want to come forward.
So he does, I can tell you some things about him, but if you pick on me to get the information, I won't do it because I have to respect what people want.
And this is a person I had to do that.
But he is a media person, but he isn't a famous media person, but he works around the media, and that's why he was there.
And you can put it all together in your mind.
But what could be more perfect than somebody like that, I guess, to get an environmental message, right?
And so as we were standing there, he just, make a long story short, we decided to exchange phone numbers.
So anyway, so in our conversations, and over time, I let him come forward with it, and his memory started coming back.
And I think they just did that for me.
So now I've got a person that I can say, draw things with me.
And he did go into detail.
And again, he doesn't want to be out in the public.
But the detail he gave me was the same thing.
So now I've got someone like that.
And then it led to another thing where this one was interesting, too.
So you can see where I'm going, basically, that there's even though I'm feeling better about this, it's leading to other things that have deeper meanings.
Well, I mean, you know, I have to honor his wishes, and so I have to stay there, and I have to.
So I keep my word.
I know you do.
And, well, you know, different events were taking place for another demonstration of even more powerful and more, well, anyway, there's an example, another example I'd like to tell you that then led to this, led to something.
But again, now I was walking down the beach, and people are just, they're funny about seeing things, and they're afraid anyway.
I was walking down the beach, and I could hear a person jumping up and down, going, yahoo, yahoo, yahoo!
screaming.
He was about maybe ankle deep near the surf.
It was a calm surf over there on the beach.
And then there was a girl standing there too, and he's jumping up and down, yahoo, yahoo!
And I'm looking at him, and then this telepathic voice says, look.
And I looked over and right, my head automatically turned where they wanted me to look, which was about 70, 80 degrees into the sky over the ocean.
And there was this streak of a light that was a bright, bright white with a hue of blue that had no beginning and no end.
So here's what looked like a light beam, and it was very, very high in the sky.
And this guy's yelling up and down as if he knew it was something special.
It was getting him excited.
And then I knew that they were going to make some kind of appearance somehow with witnesses, again, to make me feel better.
I somehow knew that in my mind.
They had to project it in my mind.
There was a girl, and her back was facing me, and she was standing at the shoreline, too.
So if you can imagine, it's two people kind of waiting on the beach, right?
And I'm walking up, and I see her, and I go running up to this woman, and it's a young woman, and I go running up to her, and I go, you're about to see something spectacular.
She goes, yeah, I know, the sunsets here are beautiful.
And I caught myself.
You know, I couldn't say that.
And just as she said that, a craft appears out of the end of this end of, here's something that's going to tell you how gentle.
I don't think it sounds mushy.
But anyway, this craft appears out the end of it, but it's not taking form yet.
It looks like a sphere of light, and it's sparkling, and it's vibrating in and out, or reverberating in and out, and it's not taking form.
And then it finally takes form way, way up until, again, one of those pyramid-shaped crafts that I talked about.
It was like a pyramid upside down and then one on top.
I don't know if those have ever been reported or you see them.
I have seen them on the internet, but that's what my eyes saw.
And so we're both, I'm standing next to her, and we're both looking at it, and she says to me, is that a UFO?
Because, again, it's a message you're giving people.
Actually, I'm learning over the years that it's a deeper message because I think things may coalesce one day where they may have better memories of what took place.
And I think that these people may decide to do something about it.
Yeah, sure, because it just gets better and better and better for me.
And then all these things were coming that I wanted to make the relationship better.
And so now I have another scenario that took place really right on the heels of what I discussed.
And this one particular pull, instead of saying abduction, just led to that.
And I was at home, the usual.
This time I wasn't in bed or anything.
I happened to be sitting up.
I was awake.
And then all the sounds and the whistles that go with what we call a pull, the hard way, so to speak, started taking place.
And I found myself, which was really different about it, because normally, as you heard me say earlier, when they pull me, it gets to the point where I black out and then I appear.
So I know what's happening, I black out, and so at point A, I black out, and point B, I regain my consciousness.
But in this case, a particular case, they allowed me to see where the meeting place was going to be, which was an onboard.
And so when I regained consciousness, I was pretty high in the sky, and it was at night, and yet there was enough light for me to see.
And below me was what I could see was, it looked like an abandoned carnival yard where it wasn't well maintained.
And I could see a semicircle of rather large alien beings that I had never seen before because they were huge.
Even from way up there, I could see they were bigger than the little greys I was talking about.
And this was completely different.
So now I get to see it.
And as I was getting closer towards them, then I black out.
When I regained consciousness, there were probably about 10 of them standing in a darker area.
You can see their framework.
You can see they were probably 7, 8 feet tall, unlike anything I ever saw.
And they were kind of scary looking at first.
But then on all the years that I've been through this, I learned just don't be afraid, because you always come back fine.
And they were in a semicircle, and then the one closest to me, which I was standing outside the edge of it, they put a hologram in front of his face to make it look like a person, even though you could see the bodies were huge.
And it was kind of funny in a way because when he was communicating, or it was communicating, the other eight or nine or wherever number it was that were looking at him, you could tell as if they were a group telepathic message coming from one being, as if they were looking at one and then the one was talking and you could see this mouth moving with a human face.
And the first words were, we would have just given it to you, but you wouldn't have understood it that way.
And I knew that to meant that I didn't get to have the knowledge that I know that I talk to people about.
This isn't my work.
I'm a business person, but I spend a lot of time doing this, you know, and I'm in different places in the world.
I'm in different places in the United States, and I spend a lot of time on this, you know, to get out, you know, some of the things I'm about to go over now, what took place in that event.
And they basically, I'm going to give you pieces of it that are important because it went on, this thing went on for over an hour, word for word, regarding my personal life.
It was advising me on where to go with this.
But the main thrust of it was that they claimed that, and I think it explains a lot about 60, 70 years ago when the first nukes came out.
As you probably know, that was an era where there were a lot of downed crafts.
We were finding alien cadavers.
There's here to say that we captured live aliens and all of this stuff going on.
Which considering everything over the years, what I surmise that to be was that when we were exploding nuclear bombs, they were coming in from every direction.
And I have a little antidote.
They were coming in so fast and so many that they were crashing into each other from time to time.
Well, you know, according to them, this is what took place.
And I surmise it to be that period.
They actually came down and did the right thing.
They followed the proper protocol.
They went to the government leaders, leaders of the world, and got with them and said, this is what we think you should do and this is why.
And because they're evolved.
And they gave a message is that they would like to see the human species evolve.
And part of evolving is to clean up our oat backyard, so to speak, so we can join the galactic neighborhood.
So that's the positive aspect.
That's what I mean about this.
So we can be part of what this cosmos, this galaxy, this universe has to offer because there's action going on all the time out there and we're not a part of it.
And so they said what they did was when they came to these people that they exchanged.
We said we weren't ready.
That according to them, this is what I was advised, that our people aren't ready for this and that we would need time.
And so agreements were made.
And according to them, there's not one single agreement that we ever kept.
When I say we, I mean the people at the time in charge up to this day.
They said that they wanted to stop nuclear, and I don't know why they were so specific in biological weapons.
They didn't want to see that anymore.
And you know, we were in the forefront.
So I'm talking about America.
I'm talking about USA.
You know, we've seen, I can't, in my time I've seen different people from different parts of the world.
And, you know, either Hispanic and I've seen Asian and I've seen all these abductions.
But we were the people on top of that at the day.
And in exchange, they gave technologies to better this planet.
They were used, they could be used to clear the skies, take the toxins out of the water, just advanced stuff.
So I see it, and that's how Jim sees it all these years, and I surmise it to be so, but it's sensible because you have this government that we deal with every day at face value.
And that's the normal government that people deal with.
And I would say that 99% of them are clueless to this.
You may have 1% that knows something, but most of them don't know.
And then you've got what I call your second form of government, which isn't quite at the black op level.
These are the ones that collect the relics, collect the downcrafts, back engineer things, and from the crashes and so forth.
They may even have cadavers.
Who knows if they even have an alien?
And they think they're on top of this phenomenon.
And they think that they're the top secret of the top secret.
But as it goes on, you have this other group, which is the blackest of the blackest.
And they are the ones that know everything.
They're the ones who have hands-on.
And those are the ones that are still communicating with extraterrestrials, in my particular case, the ones that I'm talking about.
And so there's an interaction going, and there's a, well, anyway, here's the message as it went, that when they came to people, as I said, these things later on formed, they came to the leaders, and they exchanged the technology for us to do these things, and we didn't do a single thing.
And unfortunately, these were their words that makes you somber, but that people have been discredited, maimed, and killed in order to keep this secret.
And then they were clear to say, our hands had nothing to do with this.
And they turned around to say that when they gave the technologies, what we did with it, instead of taking the technologies and removing the bombs and removing the weapons and everything, is that we made more weapons and we made money.
If they had studied us halfway properly, they would know that giving this technology, this important earth-shattering technology, to the black ops people would be the poorest decision they could possibly make.
Yeah, well, I think what it is over the years, Art, is they want us to meet them halfway.
And I think the way they are and as advanced as their cultures are, that I've figured out, and I mean, it's clear to me that they just can't come at face value networking.
I think it's part of a program to get us to realize what we're doing and bring us there.
Just like these experiences have been with myself, and even they started saying we would have just given you this information, but you wouldn't have understood it that way.
So I had to go through something.
And I think in the bigger picture, they have us to go through things.
And it's a positive thing, even though a lot of negative things take place for positive things because human beings, you know, we mess up.
They gave it to, I don't know if it was particularly military at the time, but it has become something like that to this day, and we all know that.
And they're saying that people were hurt for this reason.
Now, here's what they expressed, and then you can, you know, you can use this how you see fit.
Because I come across, I'm not a journalist, but I come with a journalism perspective in a sense that I can only tell you what I see.
You know, I'm not a scientist, but I do take a logical science point of view, and I like to see this stuff as technology and science, so I don't get caught up in, you know, it may be this, that, and all this other stuff that comes out because it's proven itself to be not.
And so, you know, with that being said, you know, the technology was used for these reasons.
Now, what they're claiming is that there's a, over the years, that there's a majority, there's a growing number in these groups that would like to come out with this information, that hoard this information.
But it's a simple thing.
And according to them, they're afraid.
And they're afraid because crimes against humanity have been committed.
And if you come out and say, okay, we have these things and we'd like to come forward with some of them, and the things that they did to keep it secret, they're obviously going to go to jail.
And who knows, they may be prosecuted and they could even possibly be executed for the crimes against humanity.
They're afraid.
And so they advised a simple word, which is called amnesty.
Yeah, and to this day, you know, what we're doing to keep it secret.
And, you know, it's tied to a lot of things, you know, and all these things have to be figured out.
So in my sense of it, to me, amnesty is obviously a law that needs to come into effect.
And it's a law that's, you know, a high law, you know, a high law in our government, you know, that whoever comes forward with it can't be, you know, they can't be.
Well, all I can say is you better get the Australian government interested in this whole thing and offer amnesty because we can't even agree on a budget back here.
Well, anyway, I'd like to see us be in the forefront, which is America because I'm an American.
I guess I'm a little one-sided about that.
I can't help myself.
I'm not, you know, that's, you know, you know what I mean.
And so, you know, that's what they put out for that to happen in order for these things to come out.
And so now, you know, we've got, you know, we've got different campaigns going on which make things very difficult for this.
And I think, you know, we all want to see disclosure, and disclosure is something where they can come forward.
But I think you can work hand in hand with the disclosure movement, with the amnesty movement, because disclosure is saying We want the answers, but in a sense, I don't think they're going to say everything.
And I think amnesty would create that.
And that's the meaning behind it.
So that's the message I give as I go all over the place for the amnesty.
And if they did and they wanted me to tell people, I would.
But I don't know of anything like that.
But I can tell you that they give hints and tips of things to come, which are neat.
I think if we can get the information out, like they wanted us to do 60, 70 years ago, that this world would be beyond our imagination and would solve a lot of problems.
And so, I mean, there's been, it says, you know, it would resolve a lot of problems.
Anyway, so some of the tidbits, you know, that have taken place that are kind of neat is as time has gone on and over the years, my interaction with these beings were completely different.
And now I've learned that there are campaigns which things are taking place right out from under our noses, so to speak, and I get involved sometimes with them.
And one of which, which is one of my favorite ones, is that they actually, there are human beings who are raised somewhere else.
Here's a question for you that was bound to come, Jim.
And people reflect back on the box that you talked about, and they ask, do you have any physical proof of all that happened to you or anything that happened to you?
What I want to do here is I want to open the phone lines.
This is not going to be easy.
I want the audience to be able to ask questions, but because of the nature of the connection that we've got to Australia, it's not going to be easy.
So I'm going to take a little bit of an early break here.
And, boy, that's a weird noise, isn't it?
So, if you want to call, lines are now open.
We're going to open them all and begin to take questions for Jim Sparks.
I'm Mark Bell.
I sort of want to lay this out for you.
Because of the nature of the phone connection that we've got with Jim to Australia, you're going to have to, Jim, you're going to have to be quiet while I take the question.
And then, Caller, you're going to have to get the question out right at the beginning.
Just sort of issue the question, and then I'll leave the line, and Jim will answer the question.
It'll have to be sort of a cooperative venture here if we want it to work well because of the nature of the phone connection.
Yeah, a lot of that coincides with what he said in the book, which I got on DVD and listened to it.
I'm a truck driver, of course, about the aliens coming in back in like Eisenhower or whatever, and coming in and we've been interacting with him ever since then, and it's been all hush-hush.
But a lot of that kind of coincides with what he's been talking about tonight.
And well, actually, judging from what I've seen, you know, there's no doubt.
I mean, as far as I know, I'm one of the few, and I don't want to say the only one because it's going to, because I don't have a big ego, I don't have an ego here whatsoever.
But as far as I know, I'm probably one of the few human beings on the planet that, you know, I can see these beings face to face and they communicate with me.
And, you know, as I was mentioning earlier, that, you know, hey, this has been going on over 20 years and it took years for them to be able, for me to be able to understand their nature.
I mean, just simple things about them is they don't like questions.
They only want to tell you things when they want you to know it.
And it's not that they're the Gestapo, so to speak.
But I'm constantly really, really very careful when I think about a question I might have so I know that I can come up with something positive.
So, you know, it doesn't surprise me that other people have experience in this.
You know, one has to wonder if they're wearing something skin tight, which I don't think it is.
I think they go around with no clothes.
The grays just don't have clothes on, the ones that I've seen.
And I have never seen genitalia.
But for the most, now this is something that's taken many years, that I've always felt like I was dealing with the male of the species all this time.
And there was one particular event, and one particular event only, where I saw a gray that definitely had feminine features, meaning that it was thinner, it telepathically came across softer.
It touched me in a gentle way, and I thought it was a she.
And the depth of these things is still beyond a lot of my comprehension.
But yet there's a connection there that signals to me why they're doing it the way they're doing it.
And which is they would like to see us meet them in the middle, so to speak, so as not to such as just to take over the planet, so to speak.
So they want to meet us in the middle.
And part of that meeting in the middle is they want to see us move forward.
I think, and as you said, it's a fantastic thing with disclosure.
If we can get the disclosure, we can get the amnesty, full amnesty where they can come forward.
I think, I mean, that would break ground beyond anything because now you've got the people who are, here's how I see it.
You've got people who are hands-on.
I mean, they know as much as this technology as the aliens have given them.
And, you know, they're keeping this stuff.
They're hoarding this stuff.
They're keeping it to themselves.
So if you can imagine how it would bypass all the red tape and all the bureaucracy and all the other things that go on with government control, so to speak, even though it would be law, I think amnesty should be a law in effect to protect them.
Then they're going to say, hey, we've got this apparatus and we've got this one and this one can do this and we can travel from point A to point B. We can transverse the universe with little to no time passing and we can do these wondrous things with energy and all the things that can come out.
So there's probably a lot of thought in their mind behind it that I'm sure that there is.
I mean, I have nothing to hide there, so I don't think that a lie detector test was saying that I was lying or not telling the truth to answer your question.
In other words, look, what you're saying is so important to the world.
It's so important to people.
And, you know, people are sitting out there digesting what you're saying tonight and probably saying, you know, it sounds good.
It sounds right.
But if you came back with the results of a lie detector test and it said you were being truthful, boy, oh boy, would that add a gigantic weight to your story?
Well, actually, I respect a lot of that because it wasn't too long ago.
Well, it's been a long time now that I would have been the same way until it happens to you.
And so, and then, but what has surprised me over the years is that it's kind of a popular thing to have me when I speak because I'm finding out that people aren't as critical as I thought they would be and they're not coming out that hard.
So, you know, almost all the time, I'm going to get the, you know, the, you know, Jim, it's a good message.
Yeah, I was just called because I think I've had the same sort of kind of experience, but I've got some kind of technology that might be good with Jim on about travel.
I know a lot of people are going to think this is crazy, but on travel, it's hard to explain, but like everybody talks about the UFO side and, you know, how there's no sound.
Well, I've sort of come up with a thing with light, travel with light, but I didn't know where to ever go with this thing here.
I've had it for a while, but I just, I didn't know if he, because I think there's keys to exactly what he's talking about, because I know what he's talking about.
But everybody's planted with a key that was on this situation, but I've been implanted or something with a key of travel by using light.
In other words, you have seen them gathering samples, and presumably you've seen them doing a lot of things as many times as you have been pulled, to use that term.
So you've never seen them doing operations on people?
I've never seen them cutting into people ever before.
And, you know, this is something I do know and inherently know that they can find whoever they want.
And I think they obviously have the power to have this sort of information in a powerful way and technology where they can pluck anybody that they keep a record of.
And how they do it and how they keep record of it is beyond me because I haven't been shown it how.
Been a big fan of you ever since your coast to coast days.
I just wanted your go I wanted your guest to clarify on something.
He said a few segments back pertaining to the beach and the sighting and the sunset.
He had said that there were a couple of people on the beach with him, but right before that, he had said that there was a concert and that there were more people, and the guy was cheering for the concert.
So I wanted him to kind of clarify that because it didn't go with what he was saying.
What I did say was I wish that there were more people around other than those people.
That I was hoping that there would be a lot more people, and I kind of laughed about it because, you know, here I am asking, I would like someone to witness this with me because it would make me feel better as a human being.
Well, to the best of my knowledge, I can't say, but I can say from what I believe to be so.
So let me clarify that, that I believe that they probably have figured out a way to conquer dying.
And that's just me saying I believe that they've never come across and say that we don't die, we never die, or anything like that.
But judging from everything I've seen at Art and whoever's listening out there, I think that's very, very a possible thing that they've conquered death.
And I think that that in itself would be so phenomenal if that's the case for us to be able to have a gift like that, to have the technology, to know how to do that.
A question I was wondering, I was wondering if Jim ever had an experience where the Graves made him move objects with his mind, you know, like telekinesis or whatever.
And if he got it wrong, was there any repercussions like headaches or pain or anything like that?
I can say yes to that because there was a time that they used the technology where I could use my mind to move objects and to be specific without going into a lot of detail because it'll take too much time.
On a table, it had led to this.
It was working with their technology Through their minds, into my minds, to actually do things, and it was fun.
These are the kind of experiments they worked with, and these are the things they showed me anyway.
It crescendo to this: there was something the size of bigger than a marble, an object the size a little bit bigger than a marble, like a ball, a small ball, a cube about the same size, four sides to a cube, square, and you know, a regular square.
Anyway, and a pyramid-shaped object the same size.
And so when I was learning, what they wanted me to do was move the objects on the table through their ways of doing things.
And I found it easier to roll the ball.
It was phenomenal.
So I just think the ball rolling, and I'd look at it, and the ball would roll back and forth.
What was interesting was when it got to the square or the cube, it took more mental focus on my part.
And I don't know if they were doing that to whatever reason.
And it was the same thing with the pyramid, the pyramid, because that had to go end over end, if you can imagine that.
Or maybe I'm saying this to the audience more than I am to you.
I kind of like your answers.
Florida brings Andy.
Andy, hello.
unidentified
Hi.
I have a quick question.
With his abductions that he's gone through over the period of years, how does the story compare with Travis Walton with the fire in the sky when his abduction happened there?
Well, I mean, I know of Travis Walton because being on the lecture circuit, I've seen him.
He spoke with me briefly, just passingly.
He was a gentleman.
He said a few things to me, and a lot of it wasn't even related to what had gone on with him.
And I guess he kind of felt like the same way I did at the time because we were really, really busy the brief time that he was kind of just wanting to say hello to me and me say hello to him.
Well, I can't say that it's the same, but obviously, you know, what I know of, and you probably remember Art, I do my best not to cloud my information that I've gotten directly with other work, even though I have to suffer because I'm not sure.
And so, I mean, I know of, you know, when you're at a conference that he was, you know, the things that everybody knows, he was out there, they were workers, and something happened, and he got put in the ship, and he was gone for a while, and then I guess they thought he was gone for good, and then he came back and reappeared, and that's what I know about Travis.
In regards to the aliens, when you said that their message was to clean up our planet though, that it's dying, did it ever occur to you that it's possible they might be trying to do the same thing in the background without our knowledge?
Well, I mean, I know that they would like to see us come to a point where it would be in conjunction with them, so to speak, because of the technologies that would be given.
And that's the best that I can answer that question.
Well, you know, what comes to my mind first off is the air filtration system in the room.
And it was not consistently circulating fresh air at all times.
So in the room, meaning that it would start to get a little bit warm and a little bit almost like a dampish feel, maybe from exhaling, not to say that I was starving for breath and I wasn't.
And then there would be a wish of fresh air coming into the room, and it would be cooler and a lot more comfortable.
Well, I mean, one, I think a little bit of my perspiration was there.
And of course, you know, when I described the black box, the gift, and that terrible stench that came out of it, but, you know, that's due to reason because, you know, extracting that kind of garbage and toxins out of your lungs, obviously, it's going to smell terrible.
He mentioned another breed or another type that had scales.
unidentified
Just a quick story of something that happened to me.
I'm on a riding lawnmower, and I see this fish scale kaleidoscope in front of me.
And then it takes over my vision.
I try to get rid of whatever it is in front of me.
I jump off my riding lawnmower, and for whatever reason, this took over my vision.
And then there's no recollection of time from when I walked back from my riding lawnmower to my house, which my house is 200, 300 yards away from where I was mowing the lawn.
No, they never once gave me a pinpointed a place that they're from.
And I know they have technology that uses other dimensions to travel and move around in, as I mentioned earlier, and that may be a different space and time, but they've never come forward to me to say we're from some particular point in some place in space.
Or good day, I guess it would be, in that part of the world.
Well, I'm looking forward to tomorrow.
It's going to be an interesting program indeed, and we're going to be getting all the information from Tobias Griff, all the really good info that he promised he would keep just for us, Tobias Griff, tomorrow on Dark Matter.