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Dark Matter with Art Bell - The Ely, Nevada UFO Crash - Jeremy Meador

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	Outro Music.
	Be it sight, sound, smell or touch, there's something inside that we need so much.
	The sight of a touch, or the scent of a sand, or the strength of an oak when it's deep in the ground.
	The wonder of flowers to be covered and then to burst up through tarmac to the sun again.
	Or to fly to the sun without burning a wing?
	To lie in a meadow and hear the grass sing?
	To have all these things in our memories whole?
	From the useless to helpless to full of it.
	Yeah!
	Ride, ride my seesaw.
	Take this place, on this trip, just for me.
	Ride, take a free ride.
	Take my place, have my seat, it's all free.
	I worked like a slave for years.
	Worked so hard just to rid my fears.
	Loved you with my life before my head.
	But by now...
	Wanna take a ride?
	From the high desert and the Great American Southwest, exclusively on Sirius XM Radio, this is Dark Matter with your host, Art Bell.
	Now, here's Art.
	And so, another week of extraterrestrial radio begins.
	Good evening, everybody.
	I am Art Bell, and this is Dark Matter.
	A few little housekeeping measures, I guess, to begin.
	About a million requests for a couple of people, and I don't have immediate access to them.
	One is Mel Waters, of Mel's Hole fame.
	Mel, if you're out there, we'd love to get an email or a phone call from you, or contact my producer.
	And we'll do it again and get an update.
	Mel's Hole.
	Well, it was about a man who found a hole in the ground that apparently was endless.
	Some pretty interesting properties.
	Also, John Teeter.
	If John is anywhere near the timeline, John, figure out a way to... Go to Artbell.com, actually.
	Either one of you.
	And email my producer, Paul Bowman.
	He's the way to get on the air over here.
	And we'll see what we can do.
	So, to oldies but goodies, John Teeter, Mel Waters.
	By the way, you know who I did talk to?
	Madman Markham.
	I've got Madman's tentative phone number.
	Alright, in the housekeeping category, Inactivity.
	A lot of emails.
	I get lots of emails about, you know, what's going on with the show, Art?
	Geez, at 90 minutes and then it cuts me off and I've got to reconnect.
	All right.
	Well, there's a reason for it and a way around it.
	Number one, if you're listening to the program and you're cut off after 90 minutes, that means you didn't touch anything.
	So what I'm telling you to do is reach out and touch.
	Turn your volume up or down a little bit sometime during that 90 minute period.
	Then they begin counting again.
	You see, it's a sort of man versus machine thing.
	They know that man can make mistakes.
	Not machines, right?
	In other words, you might tune into the channel and then forget for three days that you've got your computer downloading and downloading and downloading, so they do that.
	And it will save you money and save them money because of streaming costs.
	You know, bandwidth is money.
	Have you heard that before?
	Bandwidth is money.
	So, all you've got to do to prevent it anyway is reach over and touch the volume or something, turn it up or down a hair, or almost anything you do on the receiver will reset that 90 minutes so you don't get cut off.
	Hope that helps.
	Now, the wormhole.
	The wormhole has been experiencing unusual gravitational effects.
	What that means, translation is, that our wormhole at rbell.com, which is supposed to reliably send a message over here, actually had some sort of software glitch in it.
	And of course you guys pounded the holy you-know-what out of it.
	And that contributed to its demise, its premature demise.
	It crashed about 21 times during the last show that I did.
	So, we now have a new, improved, cannot-be-crashed wormhole.
	Keith Rowland went to work and wrote code and made a new wormhole and it really is sweet.
	And later on tonight, I'm sure we will test its mettle by having you all send a bunch of messages.
	But I do have faith that this new creation of Keith's, because he's very, very good at what he does, is going to hold up.
	Anyway, we're going to find out.
	BlackBerry.
	Did you see the news today?
	4.7 billion, something like that.
	People who have BlackBerrys love them.
	I know, I have an iPhone 5.
	It's hard to understand why people love them so much.
	They're businessmen, mostly, but they love them.
	Now it's sold, and they're going to cater to exactly those people, the business people.
	So, even though you heard the news today, if you're one of those guys, I know Bob Crane is, you'd have to rip his blackberry out of his cold, dead fingers.
	So, you'll be okay.
	And then it was really cute.
	I saw a kid on CNN earlier today, a three-year-old.
	And this is sort of an illustration of the times we live in now.
	A three-year-old.
	Little boy, cute as heck.
	But mom and dad had just switched to iOS 7, the new operating system for Apple, and he was crying.
	I don't like it.
	I don't want it.
	Just crying, crying, crying.
	He doesn't like iOS 7.
	I'm just getting used to it.
	I don't know how y'all are doing out there.
	Looking around the world briefly, Kenyan security forces were in what they said were the final stages of flushing out Islamic extremist terrorists from the shopping mall where so many were killed.
	There are now, and this is really sad, there are reports that as many as three Americans may have been among those who attacked the mall.
	What?
	Americans?
	Really?
	Iran's new foreign minister is going to join talks with six key nations trying to rein in the Islamic Republic's nuclear program.
	That'll be later this week at the UN.
	Good luck with that.
	30 large dolphins beached themselves in Brazil.
	We'll figure that one out someday.
	And, um, another government shutdown.
	Seriously?
	It's one of the reasons that I, honest, honest to God, I really don't care very much.
	I mean, you can't avoid politics entirely.
	But if there's a reason to do it, it's this.
	Another government shutdown.
	I almost feel like saying, who the hell cares?
	You know they'll come right up to the brink and then they'll either shut it down or refund it.
	You know, it's all about Obamacare, I guess.
	Selective's DNA, high-velocity DNA tagging system may come to a neighborhood near you soon.
	You can actually see it in action, I think, on the web.
	It's available in both pistol form and rifle form.
	It is a new tool that would allow government agencies to prevent criminals from running away or disappearing into a crowd before being arrested.
	Now what this little baby does, it's a high-velocity tagging system.
	They shoot you with it, right?
	Up to 30, say 40 meters away.
	They hit you with a selected DNA high-velocity pellet.
	It contains a unique DNA code to ensure the correct person is apprehended later.
	DNA pellets used by law enforcement officers tag individuals with the unique selected DNA code from a distance.
	Just wonderful.
	On contact with the target, the uniquely coded selected DNA solution leaves a synthetic DNA trace mark that will enable the relevant authorities to confirm or eliminate that person from their involvement.
	So in other words, if you're protesting something, and I guess you're getting out of control or whatever, they hit you with this, and boom, you're DNA tagged like that.
	Incredible.
	The times we live in.
	And I can still hear that poor little three-year-old crying about iOS 7.
	I don't want it.
	Now, the Sentna Ally is a 9-inch portable stereo oval cylinder speaker that you can carry anywhere you go.
	It's in a, you know, giant pant pocket, backpack, briefcase, whatever.
	It's, uh, it's not that big.
	Nine inches.
	The Centna Ally uses Bluetooth technology, and oh my God, folks, all you do is put it together with your iPhone by Bluetooth.
	And all the tunes in your teeny little sounding phone now sound like they're in a concert hall.
	And I'm really not kidding about that comparison.
	It's just unreasonable how incredible, incredible this thing sounds.
	Well, you demo it for somebody and they want it.
	In fact, you're lucky if they don't carry yours away while you're not looking.
	So, trust me on this, as I keep saying, I don't advertise things I don't absolutely believe in.
	This thing will knock your socks off.
	Rechargeable, lasts nine or ten hours.
	Up to ten hours.
	At that volume, it's impossible.
	But it works.
	The Scent Allies, great for barbecues, trips to the lake, your kitchen counter, great stereo sound compared to, well, compared to darn near anything And it's only $69.95.
	If you were to buy two, you could sell one to a friend at a profit.
	Call C. Crane right now and order one.
	$69.95.
	Trust me.
	800-522-8863.
	That's the number and you can call it right this minute.
	800-522-8863.
	522-8863. That's a number and you can call it right this minute. 800-522-8863. The Centna
	Ally. Awesome stuff.
	All right.
	In a moment, we're going to do a couple of things.
	We're going to talk about Roswell, and we're going to talk about the Nevada Roswell.
	I'm Art Bell, and this is Dark Matter.
	I hear the drums echoing tonight.
	She hears only whispers of some quiet conversation.
	She's coming in for a bloody fight.
	The moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide the road to salvation.
	I stopped another man on the way
	I I
	All the old vows, you can even lay them easy.
	Forget about the past, and all your sorrows, You know it won't last, it will soon be your tomorrow.
	Don't act so fatal, be mortal, and you know it don't come easy.
	It's XM, baby, and we're very serious.
	To call Art Bell, please manipulate your communication device and call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	UFO that's 1-855-732-5836.
	Well alright, this is Dark Matter, not some other show, so there's a couple of things I want to note here and that is
	that it's kind of a different atmosphere.
	We have either three or four hours, you know, virtually, to do anything we want.
	It's amazing how much time we have.
	If you deduct the commercial time, which is extremely minimal, from the totality of the three or four hour show, You'll find out you're getting a lot of content.
	So, it's kind of like we can take our time and do things at a little, or a bit of a leisurely pace.
	There's something I want you to hear.
	And this is, as you know, well I guess you know, or you may have heard, that Jesse Marcel Jr.
	passed recently.
	A real loss.
	But I was able to dig up The voice of Jesse Marcel Sr.
	You know, the guy who actually was there at Roswell.
	And I thought you'd be interested in a couple of things that he had to say, and certainly it's worth pondering as tonight we delve into what could be a Nevada Roswell, or may have been a Nevada Roswell.
	Listen very carefully, this is Jesse Marcel Sr.
	It's pretty interesting stuff.
	It began in Roswell, New Mexico.
	Near White Sands and Alamogordo, Roswell was home base for many early tests of atom bombs and guided missiles.
	Here also, the practice of military stonewalling may have been perpetrated.
	The case began when Roswell businessman Dan Wilmot witnessed an amazing object over the town.
	His son tells the story.
	This was their home in July of 1947.
	It was one summer evening they were sitting out here.
	Dad looked up in the west and saw an object that came down and had lights blinking and it was rather frightening to him, but he said all of a sudden it seemed to rock a little bit and sort of counterbalance itself, wiggle a little bit, then seemed to settle down and take off at a rapid rate of speed.
	The next day, reporters heard that the Air Force had found fragments of the mystery object crashed on a remote ranch northwest of Roswell.
	Excitement ran high, until officials announced it was only a weather balloon.
	Major Jesse Marcel, in charge of the operation, now tells a far different story.
	They took pictures, of course.
	They had a Whole flock of microphones there, they wanted some comments from me, but I wasn't at liberty to do that.
	So all I could do is keep my mouth shut.
	And General Ramey is the one who discussed, or told the newspapers, I mean the newsmen, what it was, and to forget about it.
	It was nothing more than a weather observation balloon.
	Of course, which we both knew differently.
	Major Marcel had to keep silent because of his strategic position at that time.
	He was in charge of all security and intelligence on atomic tests in the United States and the Pacific.
	Marcel retraced his secret recovery operation across the hot New Mexico desert.
	We left Roswell perhaps around 3.30 or 4 o'clock in the afternoon.
	As you can see, it's flat.
	It is very difficult, in fact, to adjust verbal directions.
	We never would have found it.
	We had to follow the rancher out there.
	The crash site was so remote, it took an entire day to drive there.
	The following morning, we went out to the site where the crash was.
	And what I saw, I couldn't believe there was so much of it.
	It was scattered.
	It was such a vast area, so we proceeded to pick up as much of the debris as we could, load it in the wagon.
	We filled that up.
	It took us a good part of the day to do that because there's such small fragments that we had to do a lot of picking.
	We found a piece of metal about a foot and a half to two feet wide and about But two or three feet long.
	Felt like you had nothing in your hands.
	It wasn't any thicker than the foil out of a pack of cigarettes.
	But the thing about that got me is that you couldn't even bend it.
	You couldn't embed it.
	Even with a sledgehammer, it would bounce off of it.
	So, I knew that I had never seen anything like that before.
	And as of now, I don't know what it was.
	There is new evidence that the FBI then got into the case with a different cover story.
	Lawyer Peter Gersten, searching through declassified government documents, came across a mention of the Roswell case.
	One of those documents related to an incident in Roswell, New Mexico, which indicated that the object, which had crashed, was an experimental kite.
	The FBI investigated the incident and determined that it was terrestrial, that it was from an organization which had been doing research in experimental kites.
	What did crash in this desert?
	A UFO?
	A weather balloon?
	A radar-reflecting kite?
	It was not anything from this Earth that I'm quite sure of.
	All right.
	I was vegan until I was familiar with just about all materials used in aircraft and in our air travel.
	This was nothing like that.
	It could not have been.
	There you go.
	That's Major Marcel himself.
	Interesting to be able to hear his words after all these years, huh?
	And then one adjoining fact that's pretty interesting.
	The Roswell incident occurred on July 7th of 47.
	It was only three months later that by order of the National Security Act of 1947, that would be September 19th,
	1947, the CIA was created.
	What a coincidence, huh?
	All right, coming up now, Jeremy Meter.
	Jeremy is a Las Vegas, Nevada resident, so he's just over the hill here, who's been interested in the paranormal and ufology since he was very young, so we can probably ask him about the paranormal, too.
	He's part of a group from Southern Nevada called the Bigfoot's Pad Paranormal.
	What a name!
	He co-founded that in 2003.
	Jeremy has appeared on numerous media interviews and TV networks like SyFy, History Channel, International Channel, speaks frequently about ufology and the supernatural.
	In the last few years, Jeremy has been working On a case from Northern Nevada involving lots of strange UFO activities.
	And here is Jeremy Meter.
	Jeremy, hello.
	Yeah, how are you doing today, Art?
	I'm fine.
	How are you?
	I'm doing good.
	Just got done eating dinner around here, actually.
	Okay.
	I didn't interrupt, I hope.
	No, you're good.
	I actually finished right before the show began.
	Okay.
	Are you on a cell phone?
	Yeah, right now I actually am.
	Okay, do you have a real phone?
	No, just this one.
	Only that one.
	What happens if your battery goes dead, Jeremy?
	I'm actually plugged into the wall right now.
	It's like right next to the computer.
	Well, we'll hope for the best.
	It's hard to know where to begin, because I hate to say this, and you know, I appear ignorant, but I never heard of the Ely crash.
	Not very many people have, actually.
	Oh?
	See, where to begin?
	Well, the Ely UFO crash is kind of a weird sort of event.
	I actually, when I began researching it, I've turned from one UFO crash to two UFO crashes and a UFO landing, I guess.
	People actually get the facts all mixed up and they combine it into one big event, so.
	You're in for a pretty interesting story here today, Art.
	I know most people find this very fascinating.
	There are stories of men in black.
	I've actually encountered some of the men in black in person.
	There's physical UFO samples that I was given and I picked up from the crash site area.
	So there's plenty to talk about here.
	For those who don't know, how big a town is Ely today?
	It's between 2,500 and 4,000, depending on who you talk to and who you ask exactly.
	I think Wikipedia says 3,500, I think.
	3,500.
	I think Wikipedia says 3,500, I think.
	3,500.
	And back at the time of the alleged crash, how big was it?
	I think it was pretty much about the same.
	There's not really much going on there today compared to back then.
	Pretty much stayed exactly how it was for the most part.
	Isn't that something?
	Not many towns do.
	That's very unusual.
	So it's always been kind of just a little town.
	Yeah.
	They pretty much, there's three grocery stores, about a handful of gas stations.
	I don't think there's any really big name brand department stores there.
	It's kind of Kind of just picture small-town America.
	The best way I could compare it is think of the town on Stephen King's If the Clowns.
	I hate to say that, but that's what I compare it to.
	Okay.
	Any history of UFOs in that area, either prior to or after this event?
	Yes.
	Actually, the Ely area has been full of UFOs even before this happened.
	I guess, I think it was in 1844 or 1864, I was told.
	Supposedly, a UFO had crashed into farmland out there back then, but I haven't really researched that specific incident that much.
	There's also an area over, it's called Duck Creek.
	It's right over the mountain from Ely.
	It's probably about a 30-minute, 45-minute drive.
	There's been long since been stories of UFOs being reported back there.
	There's an area, I guess there's only about 10 or 15 small farms out there.
	Well, apparently there's UFOs, or they call them strange lights.
	I just call them UFOs because I'll get into that in a few minutes.
	But these lights, I guess they come out of the Duck Creek area where there's no inhabitants.
	And these glowing red and purple lights, they come through this canyon.
	And they actually... They ride by these people's houses, and I guess they light the houses up, whatever color these are glowing, and they... I guess there's no sound.
	They glide, I guess, like 6 or 10 feet off the ground, depending on the specific incident.
	And there's an area called Kalamazoo Road in specific, where they're seen.
	And I haven't seen these lights myself.
	But I have plenty of stories involving these flights, and one of the UFO stories involving the actual crash comes from this general area.
	That's where one of the UFOs came from.
	All right.
	You would acknowledge, I'm sure, this is not a really high-profile deal like Roswell was.
	In other words, not a lot of people know about it, at any rate, right?
	Not at all.
	All right, so then what in the world, how did you get interested in something that nobody's sort of ever heard of before?
	Funny story.
	I was actually doing another radio program back in 2008, and somebody had come on the lines and asked me a story, because it was actually a ghost show I was doing.
	And somebody had called and asked if I'd heard about a UFO crash in northern Nevada, and I had never heard of it.
	So, I went online and I searched it, and I found that basically the only thing you find online is a date and the location, which is Ely.
	And I got intrigued.
	I went down to UNLV, which is the big college down here for your listeners that are far away.
	I went to the microfilm collections down at UNLV, and the more I started researching, I was finding things that were very strange or didn't exactly add up.
	Like, the crash date didn't make any sense because I found basically nothing for the date that they had listed on the internet.
	Well, I started getting really, really sneaky and I actually found the original author who posted it in an old magazine called the New Atlantean Journal back in the, I think it was the 70s, 1974 or so.
	And they had actually directed me, the author of that magazine directed me towards the original researcher that had found it.
	And we got to talking, and based on his facts, I actually went to the town of Healy and found there are tons of firsthand witnesses, tons of stories, been to the crash sites and all that.
	It's interesting.
	I mean, I don't really know, have any words to describe how weird the whole situation turned out to be.
	With this purported crash, Is there actual, I mean, there's amazing stories to go with it.
	For example, they say there were 16 bodies, is that correct?
	I know of a pretty close number.
	I know of at least 6 or 8 of them.
	I there's probably more but I only know about six that six or eight so
	I actually um Do you know anything about those bodies?
	In other words, any details from anybody who saw?
	I mean, if there were bodies, then somebody must have seen them, unless the military got to the site, I'm probably jumping way ahead here, and closed everything off so nobody could see.
	In other words, how does word come of bodies, whether it be 6 or 16?
	Well, this is one of the most amazing parts of the story.
	I don't know if you want me to tell it all right now or not, but there were stories of civilians.
	They actually found some of these aliens were living.
	They got away from the crash site and were wandering around the flatlands and right outside of town, actually.
	People were reporting some of these aliens were alive walking around.
	So there were some bodies, but some aliens had died at the crash site, yes.
	There's actually some reports of them actually, I always call it escaping, but they're escaped and were actually wandering right outside of town, probably about two or three miles from people's houses.
	My God!
	These are people that actually reported to you that they saw these creatures?
	Yes, I actually didn't have any reports of the alien bodies until the Ely Daily Times newspaper had wrote, they put me in the paper and I told basically a little bit of my story.
	And I got probably about between five and ten different callers who didn't know each other who actually told me that they had seen either the dead bodies or the living bodies.
	They're not bodies, but living aliens.
	Did they describe them?
	Yes.
	This is another thing that I've never heard before besides maybe Flatwoods, the Flatwoods, West Virginia case of the same year.
	But anyways, um, I don't really know how to describe it without giving you a specific eyewitness story, and then I can get more into it.
	Okay.
	Any description would be very welcome.
	Well, I'm going to give you a story real quick, and then I'll get more into the two different types of beings that they recorded.
	Sure.
	Well, the most detailed account of the alien bodies, there was four children.
	There were ages, I think, four, six, eight, and ten, like all two years apart.
	Two of them were, one was a brother and one was a sister, and the other two were friends,
	just like they're friends.
	They lived at the base of a mountain right outside of town.
	I don't know if they want me to give away the exact name of the mountain right away,
	because people are going to go out to the mountain to try to find something.
	I'll get to that in a little bit.
	Well, this mountain is literally overlooking the town of Ely.
	And people live on the base of this mountain.
	And there's a big, giant boulder in the center of the mountain.
	And I guess all the townspeople back then and nowadays, they go up to this boulder and they, I guess, they hang out.
	Some people go up there and drink beer or people go up there and just teenagers hang out and that sort of thing.
	Well, these kids were up on this mountain.
	They're housed at the base of the mountain.
	They were deep in this mountain and they were playing.
	I don't know what they were playing, but I guess they were just playing around.
	And I guess The sister, because I told you three of them were girls and one was a boy.
	The boy is now deceased, but the sister was the original one that contacted me.
	I was talking to the sister, and she had told me that while in the middle of them playing, her brother was tearing off.
	He took off running very fast past them.
	I guess he was in the hysterics crying and running away, and they didn't know what he was running from.
	And the next thing I know, I guess the woman said that the other... one of the other girls took off running past her from the same direction this boy had been from.
	And... I guess she said that she had turned around toward this big boulder, and on the opposite side of this boulder, she said there was something it looked... She said that they called it Thumper the Rubber Man, is what they originally called it, and this was reported... I'm sorry, again please, they called it what?
	Thumper the Rubber Man.
	No, I don't know where that name came from, but it was a robotic, a robotic-like creature, a robotic being.
	She said that it was either, it was metallic looking, and she said you could see the reflection of the rocks and the trees and the beings, I guess, because it's torso, it's whole body.
	She said that it had at least one of the arms was a pincher.
	I told her, like, Robbie the Robot, and she said, yeah, kind of like Robbie the Robot.
	But whatever this thing was, she said it was either walking fast or it was running, but whatever this thing was, it chased all four of these kids off the mountain and they ran into their house.
	Whatever this creature was, was actually pacing around their house.
	And she said that one of... What's that?
	Now, is this thing large?
	Small?
	She said that it was about the size of an average man, so about five to six feet tall.
	It wasn't... But with pincers?
	She said it had at least one pincher.
	I could have had it on both hands.
	I know that she said at least one hand.
	Okay.
	But whatever this thing was, I guess they ran into the house and one of the little girls actually fainted and she had to be brought to the hospital eventually sometime throughout the day because she was having problems breathing and was having heart problems because she got so scared at seeing this thing.
	Right.
	And apparently they called the police and the police went out to the house and they Never found whatever the thing was.
	I guess it went back into the forest.
	But, here's where the story gets more interesting.
	It's already interesting enough.
	Hold on a second.
	It's already interesting enough now.
	You said the police became involved, right?
	Yeah, the police showed up on the property.
	So, perhaps, with luck, there's some sort of police report that was filed?
	Well, I went down to the police station and tried to get the police reports.
	They told me that Supposedly they couldn't access the reports that were that old, which I think, I don't know if they can or they can't.
	I know of other researchers that have found older reports than that, but... Yeah, a local police station, maybe not, that's an awful long time ago.
	Well, apparently... And so that we're, hold on, so that we're clear, what is the exact date again of the crash, please?
	July 7th, 1952, which is five years to the date after Roswell.
	Yeah, isn't that interesting?
	Same day of the year, huh?
	July 7th.
	Oh yeah, five years later.
	Wow.
	Alright, so no police report.
	Nevertheless, the police were there.
	One child ended up in the hospital.
	This is really quite a story.
	It's quite a story.
	How substantiated do you feel, Jeremy, all this is?
	I think it's way under looked, and I think the whole case in general should be talked about more, and more people should know about it than that do already, personally.
	Well, based on what I've heard so far, I would agree with you, yes.
	It sounds like a big incident.
	When you have creatures, when you have alleged aliens, people scared, the police, hospital involved.
	It's beginning to get to the point where I'm wondering, now, I'm sorry to be jumping ahead on you Jeremy, but I looked all this up on the internet before I had you on, because I wanted to see what sort of story I was getting into, and I did find a YouTube piece, which by the way I sent to Keith, and it's up on artbell.com if you want to see it right now, and indeed there's been a local investigation And when they first looked in the newspaper archives, suspiciously, the Day in Question's newspaper was missing.
	All the rest of them were there, but the Day in Question was missing.
	Now, they did go to, I guess, some microwave backup or something, and found a newspaper for that day, but it didn't reference any UFO crash.
	Am I right?
	Yes, because the actual date is in July, and the internet says that it's, I think it's August 14th or August 12th.
	It's actually a month before that.
	And so that's why the past investigators have tried to look it up, have never found any information, because they haven't been looking at the right date, they've been looking ahead of time.
	Oh my!
	Okay.
	Oh, sorry, Art.
	That's alright.
	Now, going back, and looked at the correct date, and looked for anything in the paper at all?
	Yes.
	Actually, the Nevada newspapers, especially Ely, didn't report any sort of incident.
	If you go to Oregon, Idaho, Washington, or Utah, it did make the front page of many newspapers in those states.
	Like the government or somebody censored the Ely newspapers and all the ones in those little towns that are around there.
	Because I don't know why a Nevada paper, especially the town of Ely, would not report that in their paper, but yet Ogden and Salt Lake City would have it in theirs.
	Because if it made front page in Salt Lake City, and that's two or three hours away, I'm pretty sure that that would have been front page news in Ely, you would think.
	All right.
	Boy, I wish you had a real phone there.
	Cell phones kind of clip things off a little bit, and sometimes it's hard to hear.
	All right, I'm going to ask you to hold tight for a moment.
	We're going to take a very quick break, and when we get back, we'll get further into the story.
	But it certainly is fascinating.
	I mean, imagine something of this magnitude, many bodies, and a crashed UFO in Ely, right here in Nevada, not far away from where I am now.
	Well, relatively.
	All of that, and we're just now talking about it, after all these years.
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	Welcome back!
	My guest is Jeremy Meter.
	And he's talking about a UFO crash in Ely, Nevada, right here at home.
	And it's incredibly fascinating stuff.
	I mean, really good stuff.
	But that cell phone connection he's got is absolutely awful.
	We're gonna have to see what we can do to get through it.
	With regard to the wormhole, let's see, David says the wormhole's a nice idea.
	But it says, do not expect a reply.
	I don't see how a reply is possible.
	It looks like a one-way street to me, in which case an expectation of a reply is erroneous.
	It should say replies are not possible.
	Well, wrong, David!
	What do you think you just got?
	That's a reply.
	So the wormhole... I mean, feel free to test it, folks.
	Blast it a little bit.
	Send me messages.
	Send me questions for Jeremy.
	And we'll see if it holds up.
	I'm telling you, last week it collapsed like crazy.
	Now, Keith coded all weekend.
	I don't mean he, you know, lost his heartbeat or breathing or anything.
	He coded.
	Wrote code.
	Until we got a new wormhole.
	And so far, so good.
	All right, Jeremy, welcome back.
	Now, question for you, Jeremy.
	Did my producer ask you if you had a landline phone?
	Yeah.
	And you answered what?
	I actually have my cell phone at the moment.
	Yeah, I understand that.
	When he asked you if you have a landline phone, what did you say?
	I just said that, because he asked me if I had a neighbor or something, I could go use their phone.
	I said no, I didn't.
	I see.
	Okay, well, it's really tough on the air, Jeremy, because what you're saying is really fascinating stuff, and I'm going to try and continue with you here, but it's, you know, cell phones are just not the way to go for an interview.
	That's why we talk about landline phones.
	So, let's keep going as we can.
	Anyway, the actual crash site itself, Jeremy, you said it was overlooking the town of Ely, so obviously it's up on a hill, up on a mountain, whatever.
	Well, not the actual crash site.
	That's where the living aliens were reported.
	The actual crash site's a little bit further away.
	It's like a little bit further down.
	All right, look, it's been a long time.
	I don't think there's a lot to fear from people going out there.
	Can you tell me where the crash site is specifically?
	The actual crash site is outside of the town of Ely.
	It's close to a town called McGill and another smaller town called Cherry Creek.
	And the alien beings, this is my theory, they probably came through the mountains or the woods.
	Because the best way to describe this for you and your listeners is there's flatlands And at the base, these flatlands go all the way to the base of the mountain, and that's where the mountain starts.
	That's where the forest begins.
	Okay.
	And there are two crash sites.
	There's a southern one and a northern one.
	This is the southern one I'm talking about here.
	The southern crash site, these alien beings could have walked through the woods.
	It's not very far away.
	They could have walked onto this, towards the mountain where those kids seen it.
	Right.
	All right, here's one for you, and I'm sorry.
	Can you give me actual GPS coordinates?
	GPS coordinates?
	Yes.
	I might be able to.
	Let me look at my notes real quick.
	Okay, I would think through a long period of investigation, you might have marked the actual site with GPS coordinates.
	And I don't think there's any harm in giving it out on this late date.
	I mean, it's been so long now, right?
	1952.
	So people want to go and visit, and if people can find something, then hey, why not?
	It's okay.
	If you find them, let me know.
	It's not something I have to have right now.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	The name of the mountain is called Squaw Peak.
	And I'm trying to find the name of the specific area where that boulder is.
	I know I have it written right here.
	I guess she said the locals just call it Big Rock.
	That's what my notes say.
	It's called Big Rock.
	It's halfway up on Squaw Peak.
	And that's actually where the crash site is?
	That's where they had seen the aliens, the living Alien creature I just told you about okay, all right, so that's not the actual crash site Okay, don't don't worry about it Jeremy go ahead and tell the story and Maybe during breaks or whatever if you can find GPS coordinates, I would love to give it to the audience You know because some people might want to go out there and look around and they might find something Jeremy you get enough people going Through an area you might turn something up
	Well, I know that one of the girls still lives on the base of the mountain, still in the same house, so I was going to say, I don't know if she wants people to be out there, because that's her actual backyard, she said.
	Part of it is that they go down low enough.
	Okay.
	I get it.
	I wouldn't want it either.
	But, um... Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	I was going to say, do you want me to talk a little bit about the general story before we get deep into specific parts of it?
	I do, yes.
	I do.
	Go ahead.
	All right, well, I'll give you a generalization of the story, then we'll get deeper into specific parts of it as we go along.
	Well, around 1030 in the morning on July 7, 1952, over Ogden, Utah, they had seen some kind of a weird, fiery object coming down at a I guess he said it was a 180 degree angle coming towards the ground.
	Wow.
	He was struggling to stay in the air.
	This was reported as an orange fireball leaving a blue gaseous looking cloud of smoke behind.
	And this object was originally reported in Idaho.
	I guess it flew over to Utah and then it went back towards Nevada.
	And Ely, Nevada is kind of in the northern part of the state towards the top right corner.
	Right?
	Well, at the same time, around the same exact time, there were civilian witnesses that reported a green T-shaped object with a gaseous blue smoke trail behind it coming from the Washington and Oregon area.
	Wow!
	And these two objects are coming towards each other, and the next thing you know, the western or eastern object flies over Salt Lake City.
	Well, Hill Air Force Base, they actually had a tower there, and they reported that they had seen this object, and they actually got planes in the air to chase after this object, I guess, is what the Project Blue Book reports say.
	Oh, wow.
	This is really full of surprises, Jeremy.
	Yeah, Project Blue Book actually has about 10 or 15 pages on this specific incident.
	Okay.
	That's good to know.
	I had no idea it was documented at all, and here you are coming with all this information, people having sighted the descending objects.
	Wow!
	Well, here's what happened.
	So, there was a B-17 that was flying around Pillar Air Force Base doing maneuvers, I guess training of some sort.
	It doesn't really say, but this B-17 was doing training maneuvers, and the tower told them to go chase after this object.
	They were going 300 miles per hour, and they said they came nowhere near this thing.
	They flew through that gaseous blue cloud I was telling you about, but they could never catch up to it.
	Well, people over in Montelo, Nevada, which is in the top right corner, almost in Idaho and Utah, they reported a giant explosion, and this thing had came down and actually smashed into the ground outside of the town of Montelo.
	It's an area called the Gary Valley.
	Okay.
	Nowadays, the small town that was in the Derry Valley is gone.
	Montello's the closest town, and only 35 people live there nowadays.
	So, if you plan on ever... I'll talk about the crash site in a little bit, but that crash site's actually like a three-day drive, basically.
	And then, I guess one of the objects had hit the other one, and one had came down south and was struggling to stay in the air, and it had crashed at the site that's near McGill and Cherry Creek, I was telling you, right by Ely.
	So this is where the story gets confusing.
	People report that the two crash sites are actually one crash site.
	And there's something that happened in the 1970s in the town of Ruth, which is even closer to Ely than the Cherry Creek crash site.
	But that was a UFO landing.
	I'll get into that in a little bit.
	You know, that's not unusual.
	I mean, even with Roswell, you've got one crash site, no wait, you've got two, and you've got bodies at another location.
	So, you know, what you're saying is kind of consistent with the way these things seem to be reported.
	Yeah.
	Well, something interesting I forgot to tell you was, the Ogden newspaper from July 8, 1952, they actually reported that This fire had burned 600 acres of land.
	Wait, I think it was July 8th.
	Yeah, July 8th.
	They reported that this fire had burned 600 acres from the northern object.
	The southern object started a fire, but it wasn't as big.
	The fire in the southern object was reported at 1130 in the morning, and the northern one was reported around 1030-1045, so they're pretty close between the amount of witnesses.
	The one that had crashed up north was closer to town than the one that was in the south.
	And the one that was sighted in Utah, that was at about 1030 in the morning, right?
	Yeah, the military from Hill Air Force Base actually reported that it was at 1030 in the morning their time, is when they had initially seen the thing on fire.
	Okay.
	We may have had our own Roswell here.
	Yeah, is that what you Conclude.
	After all your investigation, do you conclude that what happened here in Nevada and Ely was in fact a Roswell for Nevada?
	Definitely.
	I have stories of alien bodies from the southern crash site, but the northern one, I don't have any stories of bodies up to there.
	All right.
	Now, all of this would have been absolutely impossible, it seems to me, to cover up.
	And according to, you know, the investigation you've done, it hasn't all been covered up.
	But at some point, and again, I hate to rush ahead, but was all this covered up?
	Did they come in and, I don't know, quarantine the area like there's been a plane crash or something?
	Well, I'll start with the northern crash site started.
	The northern crash site Actually, volunteer firefighters from the town of Montello came up to the crash site, and I guess they had come up to this object, and while they were trying to put out this fire, because they didn't know what it was at first, they were trying to put out this fire, and the military told them to leave, and they quarantined off that area.
	Well, the southern crash site is a whole different story, because there's railroad tracks and a freeway, Highway 50, I think it is.
	Run right by where the crash site is.
	So there were people driving by and the railroad was driving by with their train cars.
	So quite a few people seen the southern crash site.
	Highway 93, sorry.
	I just remembered that.
	But yeah, quite a few people drove past that crash site.
	I guess the most interesting story I found came from a train worker.
	The Nevada Northern Railway is what the company was called.
	They used to run trains Coming from Ruth, Nevada, which has one of the biggest copper mine pits in the world.
	It's called the Robinson Mine.
	It's been open since the 1800s.
	But anyways, this train used to bring people to work, used to bring people to school, because it was a remote area, especially at that time.
	And the people relied heavily on this train.
	Well, I think I went to the Nevada Northern Railway Museum back in May, and they actually have records of every train log.
	Pretty much since the company started and when it ended.
	And the story I'm about to tell you actually found documentation of it at the Railway Museum, and I'll get to that in a minute.
	But anyway, so this man was riding on a train.
	I'm not exactly sure if he was an engineer or what he was doing on the train.
	I never asked him, but he was riding the rails and he came across a section of the track.
	The man told me that was torn up like pretzels.
	The tracks were destroyed.
	They were thrown all over the place.
	They're in the nearby creek.
	Up in the mountains.
	He said they were everywhere.
	Torn up like pretzels?
	Is that what you said?
	That's his exact words.
	He said they were bent like pretzels.
	Bent like pretzels.
	Wow!
	Imagine what it would take to bend a train track.
	Imagine what it would take.
	Oh yeah.
	Well, so they managed to stop this train just in the nick of time, I guess.
	And I guess he said when they stopped the train, they didn't know what had happened to the rails, but I guess if they look off to your immediate left, off on the base of this mountain, they had seen where this object, he didn't know what it was at this point in time, but the UFO had come from the sky, crashed into the ground, and skidded into the small brush and small trees at the base of the mountain.
	And he told me that the thing was still smoking, it had just happened, this was around noon by the way, he said 12 or 12.30, so it had just happened recently.
	And he said that this object was out into the trees, and I guess whoever was in charge of the train told them to
	stay put and not to move.
	Well, some ranchers had come from that Duck Creek area, with those ranches I was telling you about,
	and they had gone out of their ranches and they were all climbing on top of this UFO and picking up small pieces off
	the ground and whatnot.
	Really?
	This is what the man told me.
	And this is exactly what...so some of the locals stick to this story.
	All right, well, here is...okay, I'm sorry.
	Again, I'm going back to that YouTube investigation thing.
	You know, they looked through Ely and talked to the population of Ely as best they could.
	They couldn't find anybody who could relate the kind of stories you're telling.
	My God, if you had climbed on top of a UFO, you, your son, your daughter, your wife, everybody connected with you would have heard that story because you'd be telling it like crazy, so it would be there for generations to come.
	Well, the thing about, because Ed Pierce is from KOLV News over in Reno is when I did that story that you're talking about.
	He actually has the 1970s and the 1952 crashes or the UFO incidents combined into one.
	And the people he's talking to are he's asking about something that happened over in Ruth, Nevada.
	And I guess the townspeople didn't know nothing about it.
	And there's a small town called Eureka, which is up in that area.
	My grandmother lives in Eureka.
	So you kind of have to get in with the community or know somebody to get information.
	All right.
	So it took me probably about three or four trips before they opened up to me and started telling me, because the first couple times I went up there, I was told there was no stories available, that no one had seen anything.
	But once I started telling them about my grandmother lived up there, and I visit there all the time, and showed them I was serious about the whole incident, they started opening up to me about all this.
	That's remarkable.
	We have to go to all the small towns up there, too, to get information.
	So, there were, okay, if there were people actually climbing on a UFO, or what was left of it after the crash, then there must have been some descriptions of, I don't know, it's shape, it's size, it's texture, it's whatever.
	Well, about the people that see the UFO, I only talked to one woman, because most of the people, they have their lips sealed, they won't tell you anything about their names.
	Because I guess the men in black and the military was there harassing people to get their names, so... The few people that know their names, they will not tell you.
	But... Anyway, so... This man said that there was about between 5 or 10 people climbing on this UFO, and I guess most of them were managed to get away before the military had got there.
	But I guess the object, he said it looked... It was silvery, but he said it looked liquidy, like it was wet.
	But whatever the object was, he said it looked like it had water like dripping off it or pouring off it.
	I don't know exactly what that is or if it's just moisture from being in the atmosphere or whatever, but he said that it looked liquidy and it looked very smooth.
	He said you couldn't see a dent in it, you couldn't see windows, it was no sort of markings on it or anything.
	That's an interesting way to describe it.
	You said smooth and liquidy?
	That's the exact term.
	He said it looked liquidy, almost as if it was wet or it had water pouring down the side of it.
	But the guy also didn't get out of the train to go walk up to it.
	Can't say I blame him.
	The woman told me the similar description.
	She said that when you climbed on it, you would slip and slide, almost as if it was
	covered in a type of slime.
	So where this object had crashed, I'd like to tell you nowadays, there's no plant life
	or no nothing grows in this area where this thing had hit.
	All right, so the implication of that is you have been on that exact site, yes?
	Yes, I actually have a website I made recently, a couple days ago.
	I actually have pictures of me and my best friend in that crater where there's nothing growing, actually.
	Crater?
	Yeah, it's a crater, it's weird.
	If you look on MapQuest, you could actually see it from the sky.
	A crater, okay.
	Now you're talking.
	These photographs that you took, do you have them?
	Yeah, I have them all saved to my computer.
	I put some of them up on my website, but if you would like more, I could email them to you right now if you want.
	Don't email them to me.
	Email them to Keith Rowland, webmaster at artbell.com.
	All you've got to do, all you've got to do is put webmaster at artbell.com.
	Okay?
	All right.
	We would obviously love to see the photographs.
	I didn't know you had these.
	That's going to be very helpful.
	I also have pictures of the physical evidence I was given, too.
	Oh, do you now?
	And I have pictures of magnets sticking to it, and I'd like to tell you, I brought these Okay, back up.
	You keep surprising me.
	Now you're saying you have physical samples.
	lot of them worked at the mines in the area and none of them could tell me what these
	are.
	Okay, back up.
	You keep surprising me.
	Now you're saying you have physical samples.
	So you went up to this area and how did you get your hands on physical samples of whatever
	we're talking about here?
	Well, originally I had gone to the town of Ruth because that's where I thought the original
	UFO crash had been from.
	Where was that?
	Right.
	I was given a rock, it looks almost, I don't know if you know what hematite is, but it looks similar to this rock called hematite.
	I'm holding this in my hands, I'm telling you.
	And this rock, it's dark, dark colored, almost like a dark brown or a black.
	Almost looks like a lava rock.
	It's almost like the color of a lava rock.
	It's smooth and it's magnetized, like if you Let's put a magnet near it, it'll stick to the magnet.
	Okay.
	I haven't, I don't, I have to put it near electronics, so I don't want to ruin my electronics if I have it.
	Smart move.
	So this is, you're characterizing it as a rock.
	Yes.
	I was told that this is that stuff that was dripping off of the UFO.
	Oh!
	They collect a sample of it and it's hardened over time.
	Okay.
	That's what this is.
	You never saw it in any other condition other than hard, right?
	I've never seen it in any other condition other than hard, but I was given the same exact rocks from the UFO landing site from the 1970s and from the 1952 Southern crash site, the same exact rocks.
	Really, and so this was stuff that was dripping off the side of the craft that then hardened.
	And to be specific, this was given to you by somebody up there?
	A local historian in the town of Roos.
	A local historian.
	How did you discover that it had magnetic qualities to it?
	The woman actually told me about it when she gave it to me.
	I guess she was playing around with it before she gave it to us.
	This woman had about five or six of these rocks.
	She just gave me one of them and the other one that we found on our own at the crash site.
	More and more interesting.
	Okay.
	Now, you did say a little while ago, at one point, before the military came, I believe is what you said.
	So the military did eventually get there, correct?
	Yes.
	Well, anyway, so the people are climbing around on this UFO.
	Yes.
	And I guess he said after about an hour or two, he said they're sitting in this train.
	They had no idea what was going on, I guess at this point in time.
	Well, He said that eventually, several military vehicles, he didn't say exactly what kind of vehicles, but he said that military vehicles of some sort had driven up to the site, and they were told, they told everybody to get off of the train, that they were driving them back to Ely.
	But he didn't exactly say where they were going to take them in Ely.
	So they took them to Ely, to the police station of all places, and he said they were interrogated by these people.
	Well, He said they do not know what happened to the train.
	There's no records of the train ever arising in Ely or the town of McGill, which is the next big train station going north.
	And north of that is a town called Cobre, and it wasn't ever reported to be there either.
	So, anyways, I told you we had gone to the Nevada Northern Railway Museum, which is right in the heart of Ely, and we were looking at the old reports From the, from the train conductors and from the engineers and all that.
	Well, we had found a, we had found a report that says that, that a train that was, was going towards McGill coming from Ely.
	And they said that this train, one boxcar was derailed is what the, this is what the report says.
	It says nothing about a UFO, but it does say that 48 feet of track was, was damaged.
	And the museum, I don't call him the curator or the head honcho at the museum, Sean Pitts, he was very surprised that this had happened because he told me he had never heard of any tracks being damaged in that sort of length or that... I guess he's been there for years and years and he's never heard of anything similar to that.
	So anyways, the tracks come in 16-foot sections and that would be what, like three or four sections?
	Sure.
	So three or four sections of track were damaged.
	Bent like tools.
	And it doesn't say what happened.
	It has the same exact word.
	It says the people were taken off the train by an official.
	It doesn't say who.
	It just says an official.
	They were taken off the train and brought back to Ely.
	Well, it doesn't say where they were brought back to in Ely.
	They weren't brought back to the train station.
	And it doesn't say what happened to the train, because in the arrival part of the log, it doesn't say where it arrived.
	It just says when it left.
	I wonder if they were taken back to Ely and put in some sort of auditorium-type atmosphere and instructed that they had just seen nothing.
	Well, the guy that was on the train didn't get into detail on what exactly they were questioning about.
	He just told me that he was questioned, because the guy started getting kind of scared when I started mentioning that I was going to be up there in a few weeks and I wanted to talk to him.
	So the guy got kind of scared.
	Really?
	We found documentation at the Railroad Museum basically saying word for word what this guy had told us on the phone related to the UFO crash.
	So, anyways, I asked the curator at the museum how, because I didn't know.
	I said, how do you move a train?
	Like, how do you move a train or what's the process go?
	He said that there's two ways.
	You can either take a giant crane from another train on the track and move it physically, like pick the whole thing up and move it.
	The other way, he said, is that you have to take the train apart into several sections and then transport it that way.
	Either way, it would have been a really big deal.
	Yeah.
	So the military ended up closing off that road, I was telling you, that's a freeway that runs by there.
	Anyway, so they closed off this highway And he said that they had, this was from one of the military men that was on the site, he told me they had brought the biggest crane in the county to pick this thing up.
	It's a pretty big, pretty big object.
	They got the biggest crane in the country to pick, not the country, the county, and he didn't exactly say what kind of crane it was or how big it was, but I'm assuming pretty big.
	I asked him the question about helicopters, if there was a helicopter involved.
	I guess the helicopters at that point in time weren't Like they are nowadays.
	They weren't good enough to pick the object up and carry it like you could now.
	Right.
	So anyways, I guess they put it on a giant flatbed truck and they drove it south.
	It didn't exactly say where to the south, but I know Area 51 is to the south.
	I guess maybe they could have brought it there, but... That would be a logical... Yeah, that certainly would be a logical place to take it.
	All right, hold tight.
	My guest is Jeremy Meter.
	And he's got an awful lot of information about a crash that didn't happen.
	Except of course, it sounds like it really did.
	I'm not sure.
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	Jeremy Meter is my guest.
	Now, what you're hearing about is very interesting because, um, It really sounds, for all the world to me, just like a Roswell only here in Nevada and little known.
	But obviously there is some serious amount of evidence to go along with this.
	And by the way, on that note, it's my understanding Jeremy is emailing a couple of segments of photographs to my webmaster, Keith Rowland, and we'll get them up for you.
	That may identify the location.
	Jeremy, you're back on the air again.
	Yeah, I'm sending you the pictures about two or three separate emails because I won't let me send them all at once for some reason.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	The emails, or the photographs I should say, are going to be of this material, number one, right?
	Yes.
	And number two, of you standing at this, well you called it a Indentation in the ground, a crash site actually, right?
	Yes, they're actually of the, I call it a crater.
	It looks like a crater, like a hole in the side of the mountain.
	All right.
	And the pictures also are, some of them are of a, I guess you could call it a base of some sort, a government base that was put in, that was made around the crash site.
	I'll get into that in a minute.
	A base made around the... Okay, go ahead.
	Well, it gets weirder.
	In 1955, I think it was, yes, three years later, the government actually built a... I guess you could call it... It's called Project High Range.
	What it was supposedly was to track and monitor the X-15 rocket plane, which is a plane that could take off like a conventional airplane and land on a runway like a normal airplane could.
	Well, once the X-15 spy plane, they stopped doing that.
	They started using these bases to monitor UFOs and UFO tracking activities, supposedly.
	Because, I guess, from workers that worked there in the 70s, they were saying that the government, what they saw in the military, was if a UFO had crashed here in the past, maybe they would come back in the future, was their way of thinking at the time.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Well, I know I talked to Harry Drew and the Kingman UFO crash, and he said that there was radar tracking towers built there.
	That was, I believe, a couple years after this.
	Do you have any idea why they would have it set in their minds that if a UFO had crashed once, it would likely, there'd be another?
	Well, I guess In the past, they thought that if one UFO had been there, there had been another, or there would be another.
	They were thinking this because, I guess in the past, I don't know if it was Roswell or something, they were getting heavy UFO activity in the area where another UFO had crashed in the past.
	I think they were saying it came from, I think Kecksburg was what the guy was saying.
	But these radar towers, they built them on three mountains overlooking, overlooking Ely.
	Um, Squaw Peak, ironically, is where the main station was put, where they were seeing those
	aliens on the mountain, and it's overlooking the crash site of the southern crash site.
	So, I don't know if that's just a coincidence.
	I kind of think not, but... Okay, you've said that you have had run-ins with men in black while you were doing research on this crash.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh, well, please, please elaborate.
	What has happened?
	You know, I love first-person stuff, so if something happened to you, I want to know about it.
	Oh, yeah, well, we have gone up to one of these sites, the one on Squaw Peak.
	You can go there now, but I guess it's not recommended that you go up there, because they probably don't like that.
	And they have the sign that says you could be shot for going up there and things like that.
	I'll send you a picture of that sign, too.
	So, when you get the emails, you'll see that.
	Well, so we went up on this mountain, and it says in a 1978 newspaper article on Microfilm that they had demolished the base, but they had kept a couple trailers up there on top of Squaw Peak.
	Well, if you go up there nowadays, there really are a couple trailers up there.
	There's a couple trailers and used to be a big giant radar dish, I guess.
	I don't exactly know how big it was.
	They're supposed to be one of the biggest ones in the state at the time.
	Well, they had this big, big radar dish on top of there.
	You could see the stand is still there.
	I actually sent you pictures of the base on top of the mountain too.
	Okay.
	Well, it says two of the emails went through.
	So you should have two of those right now.
	Okay.
	It'll take a few minutes for Keith to get him up there, but anyway, go ahead.
	You're going to tell us about Men in Black.
	Yeah, so I went up to this base on top of this mountain, and there are a couple of trailers still up there now with modern-day radar dishes on top of them.
	They're not huge things, but they're still there.
	And you could hear the hum of electronics coming from the trailers, like they still use it for something, I don't know what.
	These were supposedly the trailers that these men were working in to track UFOs, the same exact one.
	You could tell the trailers are from the 1950s or 60s, judging by the style of the trailers.
	So I have some of those pictures of the trailers in the email I sent to you.
	Okay.
	So anyways, I guess somebody didn't like us going up there to that radar tower up on top of that mountain.
	Because, let me start We've had run-ins with the government or Men in Black at least, I'd say, three different times.
	The first time, I'm going to get to the best one for last.
	The first time was when I first found out about the Hill Air Force Base being involved with the cleanup and the spotting of UFO.
	I actually, this wasn't a very smart thing to do, but I called the Hill Air Force Base and left them emails and finally somebody called me.
	And he was a base historian.
	He actually called our... I used to have a landline.
	They called our old landline, and I never gave him that number.
	So anyway, so he called our phone, and at the time... I'd like to mention, by the way, I'm in my mid-20s.
	At the time, I was only like, I don't know, like 20 or 21, whatever.
	So anyways, a man from Hill Air Force Base had called the house, And he was asking me questions about UFOs and things like that, just like common knowledge.
	Just out of the blue?
	Yeah, out of the blue.
	Big Hill Air Force Base called me and the guy was asking me about Roswell and weird, I guess, testing my knowledge on UFOs to see how well I was into it.
	He asked for my... I went to CSN, the College of Southern Nevada at the time.
	He asked me for all of my teachers' names for some reason and my student number.
	I don't know why.
	Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	Hold on, Jeremy.
	He represented himself to be who, from where?
	I have my notes right here, actually.
	He said that he was some sort of a historian.
	He never gave me his name.
	He said he was a base historian at Hill Air Force Base.
	He told me that in the 1940s and 1950s there were a supply and maintenance depot for Nellis Air Force Base and the other ones in the area.
	But, the Project Blue Book side and Tongue Tide, they clearly said in Project Blue Book in black and white that Hill Air Force Base picked up the pieces of the UFO and that they were sent out, basically.
	Because it said that they had planes circling the area and things like that.
	Anyway, so this guy calls me, he's asking me questions.
	For some reason, he was asking me questions about my college and things I was doing in college.
	I don't know if that's trying to not make it sound weird to me at the time or not, but... So... Anyways, he starts asking, okay, well, what specifically do you want to know about?
	And I actually, uh... I actually got, I guess you'd call it, nerves of steel, and I asked him, okay, well, I'm doing a case involving a crash.
	He goes, what kind of crash?
	And I go, a strange one.
	And you could tell the guy, you could tell he was smiling on the other side of the line.
	He kind of chuckled and he was like, well, what kind of strange crashes?
	And I said, one that happened near Dealey, Nevada in 1952.
	And the guy goes, those types of crashes are classified.
	But if you want to know about it, you could come down to the base and we will talk to you about it.
	And knowing, I didn't go down to the base.
	I didn't want to know what was going to happen if I went down to the base, whether they were going to do something or not.
	I understand completely.
	I probably would not have gone either.
	They called my phone a couple more times, asking me more questions about airplane crashes and kind of more UFO questions.
	Really?
	And they never really said, they never told me why they were asking me this.
	I kind of just answered their questions because Nillis Air Force Base is right down the road and I'd rather them not come to the house in person and ask me.
	Right.
	So you would classify these people as men in black on the phone?
	That was the military.
	The men in black story, the more interesting ones I'm getting towards now.
	Alright.
	Well, on the last time we went to Ely, which was back in May, me and my best friend, this was one of the first times we went to the crash site, we had got these rocks and we were out cruising around.
	We were actually filming videos that we were going to put on a short documentary we're planning on making.
	And on my best friend's camera, you could see that there's... The blacked-out vans are in the background with the people sitting.
	And they didn't get out of the vans, but they showed up at several of our filming locations.
	And this area is very remote.
	I feel like Ely is the biggest town for 200 miles in any direction.
	So...
	Why, what are the chances they would follow us to small towns?
	And I'd like to tell you, most of these towns are like an hour or two apart, so it's a pretty long distance for these people to be showing up.
	That's, that was concerning, but that's not the weirdest one.
	I guess it was back around 2011, me and my best friend and my brother were actually going to get ready to take one of our trips to Ely, and we were going to interview a lady that lived in Ely.
	I guess she had seen something like the crafts being transported through town or something.
	Right.
	So anyways, the woman called me on a Thursday or a Friday.
	We were supposed to leave on a Saturday.
	And the woman says, Oh, I'd like to thank Jeremy and Nick, which has been my best friend.
	I'd like to thank you guys for coming and doing an interview today.
	Your paranormal group is very professional.
	And she starts describing this interview.
	And I told her, I was like, Oh, well, I, That's interesting and all, but we didn't go up there.
	We're still in Las Vegas, and she swore up and down that me and my best friend came to her house.
	Well, she described it as two men in black suits got out of a blacked-out van, and they knew all about, like, where I went to college, my friend Nick's life in Ohio before I moved to Las Vegas, and I guess we're having small talk about our lives, and their facts were right on.
	I don't know who these people are, but she described them basically as your typical men in black impression.
	They're like what you would think of the men in black.
	And I guess they conducted some sort of interview and the lady got so scared when I said that it wasn't us that she never talked to us again.
	So I have no idea what that was, but I guess nobody else that we've wanted to interview has had people like that show up.
	But we have talked to people that have seen the men in black come to their house and threaten them within the last few years, too.
	Threaten?
	Yes.
	There was a man named Claude House.
	He's actually on that video that you have on your website.
	Right.
	He was talking to the Channel 8 News in Reno.
	I think that video was from 07 or 06.
	He was telling his story about what he had seen or what he thinks he remembered.
	Well, I was told by a couple of the locals to go call him because I guess him and his brother were young at the time, but they had seen something.
	I called him, I called Mr. House and he told me, Oh, I'll be glad to do an interview with you.
	And I said, okay, it's a paranormal interview is what I described it as.
	And he was like, okay, let's do the interview.
	So I called him on the phone to try to get like a pre-screening before I actually drove up to where he lives.
	And this man, He was like, OK, well, what do you want to ask me?
	And I told him, OK, well, we're going to be doing a story on UFOs and this and that.
	And all of a sudden I told him, OK, well, tell me about the UFO crash and what you know.
	This man, he did a 360.
	He went from calm, calm to hysterics.
	This man started blubbering and crying.
	I call it crying.
	It sounded like he was crying.
	He got very concerned.
	He told me word for word.
	He said, they told me not to talk about it.
	They told me that I'm in danger if I tell you this.
	And he kept saying, they, they, they.
	I don't know who they is.
	But he said they came to his house and they are monitoring him in his phone calls, I guess.
	And he was pretty scared.
	That sounds like MIB.
	All right.
	So you said you're now in your mid-twenties, right?
	Yeah.
	When did you begin investigating this?
	How long have you been at it?
	Since about 07 or 08.
	So that's a long time.
	Since I was about 18, 19.
	Yeah, that's a long time.
	So you've been at this a long time and you've gained, kind of gained the trust of the people there.
	Yeah.
	I've talked to several people that had that, that seen that 1970s The thing I was telling you about, and several of those people said that in the 1970s that the men in black were in town knocking on people's doors.
	I guess he called them MPs.
	Some people describe them as military police, some people call them men in black.
	But I guess he said that they had their handguns on their side.
	That's clearly what one of the women said.
	That they had handguns on their side and they were going door to door in that town of Ruth.
	Were they in uniform?
	Yeah.
	Probably MPs, sounds like.
	And I guess he said they were asking for information.
	I don't know if you want me to tell you the story of the 1970s, Senior, if you want me to finish up on 1952 first.
	Well, let's finish with what we've got.
	All right, well, so the men in black were in, they're still interested in it, or the military's still interested, because back, I guess as soon as the last five or six years, they were talking to some of the people that went to the media or were online talking about it.
	I talked to Ed Pierce, the guy that made that video, the news anchor.
	He said he hadn't seen anything weird or had anybody come up to him, so I don't know if it's just certain people or whatnot, but somebody was impersonating me and my best friend, I don't know who, and they were calls of military base.
	Hill Air Force Base was calling me and asking me questions, and I don't know what that had to do with anything, but it's weird.
	All right.
	Pat sent me a message here that says, the kid, that'd be you, is backing into the most interesting material.
	It's getting better.
	At first I thought he was just reading Wikipedia.
	Now he's like, oh, and I've got a physical sample of some unknown material.
	Wow.
	So what have you done with this material?
	Have you had it tested?
	I haven't brought it to a laboratory because they want a lot of money.
	They want thousands of dollars, I was told, by some of the geologists that work for it.
	It's called the Robinson Mine, which is that big copper mine I was telling you about.
	I guess they employ 500 employees in the Ely area, and a lot of them are geologists.
	We talked to three geologists from the mine.
	They gave the same kind of testing they do on the rocks at the mine.
	They were scratching it with knives, looking at the color, holding up the different types of charts and things.
	They said that the closest thing that it's related to is hematite, but I guess they said that it's not exactly like hematite, but that's what it's similar to.
	That's one rock sample.
	The other one that I don't have in my possession, I was shown twice.
	Well, this sample, it was yellow, almost like a bumblebee color, like when you picture a bumblebee, like yellow.
	It was a bright yellow color.
	But it was hollow in the center.
	I felt like it was hollow or like a honeycomb type of texture.
	And if you tapped it on a desk, you could feel that it wasn't hollow.
	Well, the townspeople, the two people that showed us the samples, wouldn't tell us where they got this from.
	But we also talked to those geologists and showed them pictures of the sample.
	I also sent you pictures of it, too.
	But nobody could tell us exactly what that is.
	We talked to a man that worked at the smelters in the town of McGill, which is near the next town up from Ely going north, and he said that he dealt with sulfur for years and years working at the smelters, and he said that he didn't think that it was sulfur, so I don't know what that sample is.
	Well, generally, Jeremy, I've found that if you have a sample of something that is really anomalous, I can guarantee you that somebody will come along, a Linda Moulton Howe or somebody at that level who is interested in real science, and if they find that it's anomalous, they will get it to the right labs, I can promise you.
	I know, I think they wanted like $3,000 or something like that to look at a similar sample from the Kingman UFO crash.
	I know he said he paid for it out of pocket.
	So after hearing that, I didn't even think... Oh, listen, make no mistake, Jeremy, it's going to cost money to get it tested.
	What I'm saying, though, is if what you have is really anomalous, trust me, the people who count will find a way to get the money to get it done.
	No problem.
	Are you willing to allow the sample to be tested?
	Yeah, I'm willing to get it tested.
	I just don't know if I want to give away the whole sample.
	I'll give like half of it or something.
	That'd be fine.
	That'd be fine.
	I've received similar material, Jeremy, and I did exactly that.
	I kind of pieced it out for testing, and you'll hear a future show we'll do with Linda Moulton Howe that will give you some of the results from that testing.
	At any rate, let me assure you, as we go into a break, that it can be tested.
	That the right people will come along and test it for you.
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	That's one eight five five seven three two five eight three six all right good evening my guest is Jeremy meter
	from Las Vegas, and he has been investigating a alleged
	crash in Ely, Nevada back in 1952 July 7th of
	Now, thus far we're talking about witnesses who have seen what?
	Aliens with pincers?
	There were possibly as many as 16 bodies?
	He has had a men-in-black sort of experience on the phone, I would say, more than in person.
	He has interviewed people who actually saw other people, and you know, some of this is pretty important eyewitness stuff, actually crawling on a UFO.
	Crawling on a UFO!
	It destroyed some train tracks, turned them into virtual pretzels, he said, It's coming out in sort of starts and stops and spurts, the story that is.
	But when you consider the totality of the story, and you consider that there's actual physical evidence to be examined, as well as a crash site, it adds up to quite a story.
	Now it is coming out sort of in somewhat disjointed pieces, and some of that may be my fault for asking early questions.
	Or questions that should be asked later early, however you want to look at it, I don't know.
	Jeremy, welcome back.
	The totality of your story is significant and it seems to me that it's so significant that MUFON or some other very large organization should move in based on just what you've found and the witnesses you've talked to and conduct a real downtown investigation.
	What do you think?
	I actually contacted MUFON and they weren't interested.
	I already sent them four or five emails talking about my material and they haven't showed any interest.
	Did they say why?
	I don't really know.
	I don't know if they don't believe me or what.
	I know I talk to Stanton Friedman and I talk to him all the time about it.
	He finds it really interesting, I guess.
	I don't know, I'm not exactly, I don't recall what the chapter, the Nevada chapter's leader, what his name is, but I sent him a couple emails, there's like a secondary email on their website, I wrote them, and they never really replied back.
	So I don't know, it seems like they're not very interested, or I don't know exactly what's going on.
	Has anybody, I mean, in a real investigation, for example, Jeremy, you would bring an artist or some sort of artist to a witness and you would say, look, what did this creature look like?
	And you would attempt to do an artist drawing.
	You would do, you know, the normal stuff that investigators do.
	Has there been any representation to you like that?
	Anybody who's drawn what they saw?
	Nobody's drawn anything.
	Every time I usually ask if I could have them draw a sketch or if I could have them talk on camera, most of the time, I don't have any sketches by the way, but most of the time they're afraid that somebody's going to contact them or I don't know, most of the time they don't want to be, have their story out to the public a lot of the time.
	Yeah, I do understand that.
	People are very reluctant to talk about this kind of thing, and for probably pretty good reason.
	But, it just begs to have more investigation.
	I guess you haven't, you've been doggedly pursuing it, right?
	Oh yeah, I pretty much eat, sleep, and breathe TV for the most part.
	Yes.
	What else was I going to say?
	I found the story to be really interesting.
	I'm kind of surprised that nobody else has really found anything like nearly what I found.
	I don't know exactly why.
	I don't know if very many people haven't tried to find it or if they just look for that one specific time frame in August or what the deal is.
	You said in August?
	Well, they said it was August on the internet, but it actually happened in July, the 1952 incident.
	So I don't know if they were all looking in August, and that's why they kind of gave up if it wasn't in August for what the deal was.
	Well, 1952 is a long time ago in one way, and not very long in another way.
	As I mentioned, You know, if people have seen creatures, people have seen, have been climbing on a UFO, these are things that would be passed down through generations.
	And there'd be a story, let me just sit on my knee here and I'm going to tell you about the time I climbed on a UFO.
	That kind of thing.
	So those stories really are going to be around.
	Now you've heard some of them, but holy mackerel, this is a pretty big deal.
	Jeremy, did the military, when they did come in, did they cordon off the area?
	What did they do?
	You told me about the train.
	What about the craft itself and so forth?
	Well, I know they picked up the craft with a giant crane and they hauled out the craft.
	He said that I guess they weren't allowed to go back to work on the railroad for I don't know how long.
	He didn't really say, but they weren't allowed to go back to work for a while.
	So I guess they stopped the train going through.
	Claude House, the man that got scared when we asked him about UFOs, in his story that he actually told Ed Pierce of the Reno News, he said that the actual freeway was cordoned off.
	So from judging by that, I never heard anybody else say that the freeway was cordoned off.
	I don't see why it wouldn't be, but... I guess apparently they kept the people out of the area, at least on the railroad.
	And judging by Claude's story, apparently they closed down the highway too.
	As he said that, many people say that they were told that a small plane had crashed in the area, is what they were telling everybody.
	That'd be the usual story, sure.
	So, I don't exactly know how long they kept that story up, but like I said, it wasn't reported in the newspapers.
	So I don't exactly know how they were getting that message out at the same time.
	Okay.
	Have you pretty much stuck with the Ely crash or have you been involved in ufology otherwise?
	Well, funny story really.
	There's a place called Mount Potosi.
	It's right outside Las Vegas.
	It's in between Pahrump and Las Vegas.
	I guess it's called Potosi Pass.
	I can walk out of my studio and look at Potosi if the sun was up.
	Oh, well, Mount Potosi has... I guess there's a lot of UFO stories coming from Mount Potosi.
	I actually had a weird experience.
	What got me involved in ufology was when I was about 11 years old, I was in scouts, and we went on this night hike in Mount Potosi because there's a Boy Scout camp up there.
	It's close to the public.
	But we were on this night hike in the woods, and we went around this corner, and on the straightaway, I guess off to our left, ironically, off to our left, there was some kind of an object that was sitting on the ground.
	It looked like the end of a boat, like a point, but it was coming off of an egg-shaped craft.
	It was sitting on three stilt-looking legs.
	Right.
	And me, my mom, and three other scouts and their moms actually walked past this craft.
	I didn't think nothing of it at the time until the next morning.
	When we came back and the thing was gone, you could see three indentations in the ground where the thing was sitting.
	I firmly believe that it was a UFO.
	I mean, you could argue that it wasn't, but I think that it was, personally, and that's what got me interested in ufology.
	All right.
	Well, anyway, with regard to the crash in Ely, coming back to that for a second, we've covered where it happened, when it happened.
	Of course, I guess we can't know what became of the creatures, we can't know what became of the craft itself.
	Well, I can tell you a little bit about what happened to the creatures.
	All right, please do.
	All right, well, searching through the archives in the old newspapers, we came across, on July 10th, I think it was the Oregon newspaper or the Elko Nevada newspaper.
	One of the two.
	It says that, this is a casual article, mind you, out of the middle of nowhere, they say, oh, well, the aliens that were brought to the Ely police station were shaved chimps.
	No need to worry.
	It was about like a one paragraph long message.
	It didn't have any pictures.
	It didn't say anything else.
	That's all what it said was the aliens that were brought to the police station were chimps.
	No need to worry.
	So.
	Apparently, the military or the police or somebody rounded up some of those living aliens I was telling you about and brought them down to the police station.
	I thought that was weird because it was dated July 10th, which is three days after the actual crash happened.
	Now, is there any record, any record at all, of an alien being rounded up, as you put it, and brought in?
	You would think definitely.
	That would be something the police would note.
	You know, alien walks in, gotta make a report here.
	I think we just got cut off.
	I'm sorry to hear that.
	That was Jeremy Meter, and obviously we've lost him, so... It's a lesson in telephonics, folks.
	When we book our guests, we try and make absolutely certain that they're on a landline phone for a whole lot of good reasons.
	One of them was just demonstrated by that click you heard.
	That was his phone going away.
	So, I don't know what to make of all of this.
	How about you?
	Obviously, we've got a youngster here telling us a story that he's collected from a number, a whole bunch of eyewitnesses, right?
	And he's got a little bit of physical evidence of some sort.
	He's got some photographs, which, by the way, Keith Rowland still does not have.
	And I think we might have Jeremy back in the line.
	Jeremy, are you there?
	Yeah, I'm on.
	This is why we don't like cell phones, Jeremy.
	Sorry about that.
	I'm putting the pictures up on a private website.
	I could send you the link to also if you want.
	Now wait, wait, wait a moment.
	Wait, wait a moment.
	I thought you were sending them to webmaster at artbell.com.
	I did send it.
	It said that they went through at... One second, it's loading.
	Because I checked with Keith in our last break and he had not yet received anything.
	Is there any way you could have Keith email me first and I reply to him and send it that way?
	Well, it's not too complicated, Jeremy.
	It's Webmaster at Art Bell.
	At 841 and 825 it says that they were sent through.
	They were sent through.
	So you didn't get a bounce?
	I didn't get a bounce, but just in case I upload them to a website I could send you the link to and you could do it that way.
	I don't know if that would be easier.
	Well, at this point, it's not...
	It's not easy at all.
	Where did you send the... Are these photographs on the web now?
	Yeah, right now.
	I'm putting them up right now.
	You're putting them up now?
	I'm publishing it right now.
	And where are they going to be, Jeremy?
	It's elufocrash.webs.com.
	Elufocrash?
	Yep.
	And then a period, and then webs.com.
	I think I've got it.
	Hold on a second, Jeremy.
	ElyUFOcrash.webs.com.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	That means we'll get them eventually.
	It says that it was published a couple seconds ago, so it should be on there right now.
	All right.
	Jeremy, is there anything else about this story?
	From the Men in Black encounter, to the actual material evidence you have, to the eyewitness reports that you have not told me about yet, anything really important that we need to get on the air?
	I'm thinking real quick.
	Well, I talked to the Meteorology Society in Nevada for that day, and they said that there was clear skies and it wasn't a meteor.
	Because some people say that the blue gas behind it could have been a meteor.
	Well, they said that this couldn't have been a meteor because it was doing twists and turns and it was being sighted for a while.
	And I guess the one to the north, like I said, started a forest fire, and the meteorologist... Sorry, I'm getting tongue-tied here.
	The society was saying that when meteors crash to the ground, they're cold to the touch, like you could pick them up.
	And these both started fires.
	Okay, well they're not, of course, going to be cold to the touch after they've traversed the atmosphere.
	They're going to be very, very hot, right?
	Yeah.
	They were saying that the, I don't know what you call it, the descriptions of it, they were similar to a meteor, but not exactly.
	Well, something I would like to What I'd like to say was, the crash in the 1970s, or the UFO landing, is separate from the 1950s incident.
	And the video that was on your website that the news station did, that's actually a combination of both kind of put into one.
	Their facts are kind of mixed up on there.
	Okay.
	Alright, so they didn't quite get it right.
	Yeah.
	Well, something else I'd like to mention is civilians and Project Blue Buck both say that there was B-36 bombers flying low over the crash site, like, right after they happened, I guess.
	The one to the north sooner than the one to the south, but I guess there were these B-36s flying around, like, circling the area.
	That's something else that I found was pretty interesting.
	All right.
	Is there anything further to be seen up there?
	If somebody goes into the Ely area now and finds the site that you talked about, are there still things to be picked up and to be seen?
	If you go to the site near McGill and Cherry Creek, there are rocks similar to the one that I was given out there.
	I didn't want to take all of them, but there are similar rocks out there.
	Okay, we're having trouble with our connection now.
	You still there?
	Nope.
	We've lost Jeremy again.
	So, sorry about that, Jeremy.
	I think we're going to call it at this point, and we're going to go to unscreened open lines.
	So go ahead and back there in Washington, open up the lines, and we'll give out the number, and we'll just go to unscreened open lines.
	Now, obviously we just had a youngster on the air.
	And a very enthusiastic youngster on the air.
	He's been looking at this for some time.
	I think probably he's on to something.
	I don't know what.
	I do know that the physical evidence should be examined.
	There should be people who would go and speak to the witnesses and get some sort of description of what the creatures looked like.
	There would need to be a very great deal of follow-up to all of this.
	For us to get it right.
	So I'm going to open up the lines right now and we're just going to take some open line calls and you can talk about anything you want to talk about.
	If you want to comment on what Jeremy said, you're welcome to do it.
	Now, I will specify right at the top here that Jeremy didn't quite have it together in the sense that he kind of, I don't know, jumped around a little bit in the story which made it difficult to understand on top of the bad line, but there's something here.
	Obviously, there's something here.
	So, if you'd like to call us, if you'd like to get on the air, remember, if you want to wish me well, wish me back, it's Roswell's, please.
	The number is 855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 855-732-5836.
	And with that in mind, let's do it.
	Unscreened open lines.
	And with that in mind, let's do it.
	Unscreened open lines.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	All right, Teresa, turn your radio off, please.
	Yes, I just did.
	Excellent.
	And am I speaking with Mr. Art Bell?
	You are!
	Oh, okay.
	I just sent you a message via the wormhole, explaining, trying to tell you about an episode That happened in the late 50s.
	There were three of us, Mary Jane Robinson, her mother Dorothy Robinson, and myself in rural Pennsylvania, Shippensburg.
	We went shopping at a mall.
	Mary was getting ready to go to nursing school and she was buying a few things.
	The stores closed at 10 and we were coming back to Shippensburg.
	Mary hated driving on the Interstate 81, so we always took the rural back roads.
	And it was a perfectly clear night, a million stars visible, and some moonlight.
	And it was just, you know, a lovely drive.
	And out of nowhere, there were these lights that came up behind us.
	And, um, Mary thought somebody wanted to pass and she put her arm up out and, you know, and said, pass, pass.
	And she slowed down and they didn't pass.
	And, um, but they were close and it was annoying her.
	So she stopped the car and she said, she said, I want to find out what's going on.
	And her mother said, Mary, don't get out of this car.
	Don't just stop, let them go, ignore them.
	And she said, no, she said, maybe something's wrong.
	Ever the caregiver, the nurse, Mary.
	And I also, and I was in the back seat.
	So just like a scene out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind?
	No, no, it wasn't.
	No, I don't think it was.
	But at any rate, I got out of the car as well.
	And I'm like, I guess Mary was 18 and I was, I was 14.
	So I got out of the car also, and so I was on the passenger side of the car.
	Mary was on the driver's side of the car, and she walked to the rear of the car, and I was already pretty much there.
	And there was this object, and there was no lights at this time.
	When we stopped and got out of the car, the lights were gone, and you couldn't even see Where there had been headlights or anything, it was perfectly smooth.
	And I'll tell you what triggered this.
	Um, the other night, last night, when you had the guy on who said that the object that he saw that was black was like a, um, what did he describe it as?
	A, um, um, shoot.
	But at any rate, it wasn't where it wasn't, um, Oblong or like a hot dog or anything like that, but it sort of had a rise in the center from the top as though it rose.
	The bottom appeared to be flat, and the sides were curved, but very smooth.
	So you're saying it was a craft?
	It was a craft, yes, it was a craft.
	Of some sort, okay.
	Yeah, but there was not a sound at all, Mr. Bell.
	Not an engine, not a hum, not a nothing.
	Absolutely nothing.
	All right, so there are the two of you are standing there looking at this craft and you should have been scared out of your minds at that point.
	Well, no, because we didn't feel threatened.
	I mean, I actually touched it.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	I mean, I was so fascinated with it because I didn't know what it was made of.
	In later years, I came to realize, I think, that it was like titanium.
	It was perfectly black, and the moonlight made it look shiny.
	Okay, well, we don't have a lot of time here, so what happened?
	Did it take off?
	Did you take off, or what?
	No, we did not take off, and Mary's saying, hello, did you want to talk to us?
	I'm not afraid, and I said, I'm not afraid either.
	Really?
	I said, would you like to speak to us?
	Would you like to ask us questions?
	We'd like to ask you questions.
	Don't be afraid.
	We're not afraid.
	We're kids, you know?
	I don't think I could have done that.
	Honestly, I don't.
	Well, we did not.
	Now, Mary's mother is in the front seat, crying hysterically.
	Get in the car!
	Get in the car!
	I don't like this!
	I'm frightened!
	And Mary says, Ma, shut up!
	Alright, listen, we're about out of time here, but what did the craft take off, or did you just drive away?
	Well, this is the thing that was amazing.
	It just lifted straight up without making a sound.
	And then elevated as if to go up.
	But while it was with us, right in front of us, it wasn't, it wasn't, we weren't a foot from it.
	I mean, I could put my arm out and touch it.
	And it just lifted straight up and then sort of took off.
	And as it took off, lights around it started circling and different colors.
	And we could see People inside, and we waved, we waved goodbye.
	People?
	People as in creatures?
	Yeah.
	Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait.
	Human or non-human?
	They were too far away, but they appeared to be somewhat human.
	They had heads, necks, shoulders, arms.
	And the one thing that Mary said was, they don't have five fingers.
	And see, I wasn't looking at the fingers.
	And we were waving to them saying, goodbye, goodbye, and they waved back to us.
	The thing that's interesting is ever since that episode, I've been intuitive.
	I'm an intuitive.
	Well, it obviously then affected you in some manner and may have set that off.
	I don't know.
	That's fascinating.
	There you have a first-hand account of what I would call a close encounter of a third kind.
	Right?
	When you're that close, when you can put your hand on a craft, and when you can wave to the whatever-they-are's in there, I would say that's a... some kind of the third kind or whatever.
	Wow.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	This is Art.
	It is.
	Art, my name's Mike.
	I'm in Virginia.
	Hi.
	I work the water on the Chesapeake Bay, and we constantly see strange objects flying in the sky.
	I've tried to videotape them, and none of them have ever appeared on my videotape.
	Well, unless you've got a really new camera, and it's really good with low light, you're not going to get very much.
	It's really hard to take any video, meaningful video at night, and end up with anything more than a light.
	I don't even end up with light.
	That's the whole thing.
	Really?
	Nothing appears on the film or on the video at all.
	And you've done this how many times?
	Oh, five, six, seven times in the last year.
	Wow.
	It's just, we see all kinds of strange stuff out here at night, working the water, and We've tried to videotape it, and we can never get it to show up on the tape.
	Well, I'll say this.
	I've had two experiences, both I think I've described to you at various times.
	And in both cases, I did not have a camera with me.
	In both cases, I was so shocked.
	And so transfixed, you know, where I was, that I never would have thought of it.
	Never, never, never.
	It would be great to say, you know, I had a camera right there in the back seat.
	Could have grabbed it.
	Could have taken a picture.
	Could have had the proof.
	Wished I'd had the proof, but didn't.
	So, I do understand.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Dark?
	Is that you?
	It is me, yes.
	Oh, it's great to hear you back on the air.
	Thank you.
	So, now I'm just, I'm just curious, like, how do you, and talking in general, like, how do you not dispute everything going on here?
	I don't know what you mean.
	How do I not dispute what's going on?
	What do you mean?
	Oh, oh no, sorry.
	Like, it's between pyramids and all this other stuff that's this ancient alien thing.
	Doesn't that make complete sense?
	Only if you put it in context.
	What are you saying?
	He's gone.
	I think he knew what he wanted to say.
	He just couldn't figure out how to say it.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	I don't know.
	Roswell.
	One thing about all these different crafts, and there's a lot of different descriptions, but if these aliens can come across hundreds of thousands of light years, couldn't they have the technology to navigate to our atmosphere?
	Why are they always crashing?
	It's a very good question, and I guess the answer might be the only ones we get to talk about and see are the ones that have a problem.
	You know, if they don't have a problem, then they're up and gone.
	Well, I guess I've got to have a problem every now and then.
	Now, maybe that craft that came back to look at the crash site was looking for survivors.
	Maybe it was a rescue mission.
	Entirely possible, sure.
	Very, very good shows.
	I've really enjoyed last week.
	The professor was incredible there, so keep up the good work, Art.
	Thank you.
	All right, thank you very much, and take care.
	Of course, we had a couple of professors on, so I would assume that you're perhaps talking about Dr. Kaku.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Is this the screener?
	No, I don't have a screener.
	I'm sorry, Art.
	Hey, I want to ask you a question.
	Are you going to have a show here recently about rods?
	You're talking about Jose Escamilla, right?
	Exactly.
	The rods that you see out of the corner of your eye.
	Okay.
	Rods are not so much seen in the corner of your eye.
	Rods are actually able to be photographed.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	You're right.
	Actually, what I'm thinking about was the Shadow people.
	Shadow people, yes.
	They come to the corner of your eye.
	Rods?
	Rods are the white streaks.
	Yeah, they're moving very quickly.
	Exactly.
	What is your point of view about that, sir?
	Do you think that rods are the real McCoy, or do you think they're... A lot of people say, for example, they're bugs.
	No, I've seen them a thousand times.
	I mean, I've had rods and shadow people, but the rods, I see them all the time, the white streaks in front of my eyes.
	I actually see them, I don't know, I mean... I think most people do not see rods, that they're too quick for the eye.
	We all see a little thing that I think floats across our eye every now and then, if that's what you're talking about.
	That may be it, an eye floater, yes.
	All right, all right, thank you very much, but what he was really talking about, that's a whole other subject, rods.
	Jose Escamilla is a very interesting guy, and he's put together, I think, absolute proof that these rods really do exist, that they are some sort of life form, and they can be photographed with very high-speed film, and he's got lots and lots of photographs, even video, There's a particularly impressive one which occurred in a cave, and these rods were flying all about this cave.
	It's really amazing.
	Anyway, listen, we're going to break here.
	We're in open lines now, and anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	I'm Art Bell, and this, this is Dark Matter.
	On a morning from a Bob Gough movie In a country where they turn back time
	You're there strolling through the crowd like Pete Dillard contemplating a crime
	She comes out of the sun in a silk dress Running like a water gun in the rain
	Don't bother asking for an explanation She'll just tell you that she came in the era of the cat
	In the era of the giant you
	Coming to you from Geosynchronous Orbit at the Speed of Light, this is Dark Matter with Art Bell.
	To call Art, please light up the lines at 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	You certainly are doing that.
	They're all lit up.
	Welcome back, everybody.
	My guest was Jeremy Meter.
	He talked about a UFO crash in Ely, Nevada, just north of me.
	Well, quite a bit north of me, but still here in Nevada, and I'd like to know a lot more about it, so if anybody has anything to contribute to the Jeremy Meters story, I'd love to get it, so we can track this down.
	If it really is a Nevada UFO, if it really is a Nevada Roswell, I guess would be the way to put it, I definitely want to know more about it, so hopefully you'll get the information to me.
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	It is an FM transmitter.
	You connect it to your satellite radio, or maybe your iPhone, your iPad, your iPod, smartphone, doesn't matter, any audio source, and you get this transmitted near broadcast quality stereo audio.
	Now that's really important.
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	You might ask for a catalog while you're at it. By the way, did you hear
	about the bombs that were dropped on North Carolina? These weren't any bombs, these were
	hydrogen bombs.
	That occurred a long time ago, 1961, but we were just told about it.
	A new document tells us.
	The B-52 apparently disintegrated in midair, and the hydrogen bombs dropped.
	They landed on North Carolina, not out in the ocean, but actually on North Carolina.
	Now, fortunately for us, there are four safety features on hydrogen bombs.
	Four!
	Three of them, you will be unhappy to hear, failed.
	That's right.
	Three of them failed.
	Only one tiny thing stood between, well, what happened, harmlessly falling to the ground, And hydrogen bombs a couple hundred times more powerful than those that hit Hiroshima from going off.
	Do you know what that thing was?
	A little tiny safety switch.
	I think just a few volts.
	If the low voltage switch had gone, and that means just a few volts drop or a few volts added either way, The hydrogen bomb would have gone off and North Carolina would have basically disappeared along with Maryland, Washington, South Carolina, probably Georgia.
	In other words, a very great deal of our East Coast would have gone up.
	You hesitate to say in smoke, but up in smoke.
	And that would have been it.
	And we're just now told about it.
	Back in 1961, can you imagine that?
	Okay, let's go here and say, Dark Matter, you're on the air, hello.
	Hello?
	Yeah, hello.
	Hi.
	Good show tonight.
	Thank you.
	I used to, when I was a kid, I was pretty skeptical about this kind of stuff, you know, where UFOs at.
	Ain't no such thing.
	One summer night, when I was 18, right out of high school, a friend and I, we were doing what, you know, teenagers do.
	You know, getting into mischief.
	Sure.
	And we seen this big blue thing.
	One second, it's a dark sky.
	Next second, here's this big blue thing just sitting in front of us.
	Yeah, it stayed there for less than a minute.
	And I mean, all of a sudden, it was just gone.
	When you say right in front of you, you mean really close or what?
	Yeah, I'd say it was, I mean, not like, not right in front of us, but I mean, it had a little bit of distance, but it just sat there and had, there was no sound, no nothing, just this big blue ball.
	And then all of a sudden it was just gone.
	Well, after that, hell, I've been, I've been a believer ever since.
	Well, there's nothing like having your own experience.
	And according to surveys, most Americans, I believe, have had their own experience.
	The majority of Americans have seen or been in close contact with something that they can't explain.
	Yep.
	And we checked the papers and the news the next day.
	There was nothing reported.
	So my buddy and I, we decided, well, maybe we'll just sit on this.
	Keep it to ourselves and not tell nobody about it.
	Probably a wise decision.
	Thank you very much.
	Another thing that I would like to complain about or make note of, and that is that, you know, with social media now, everybody's on Facebook, right?
	Everybody's tweeting about Twitter.
	All of these different, or on the computer.
	And when you're on the computer, when you're on Facebook, when you're doing the social media thing, you're not looking up.
	And that's one of the main reasons that people don't see UFOs.
	Take our sky here in Nevada.
	Very clear.
	On any given night, you can see the Milky Way from one horizon all the way to the other horizon.
	It's that clear.
	Millions of stars.
	And if you sit outside and spend a little less time on Facebook or your computer or whatever you're doing and actually look up, you're going to see something.
	Now, it may not be as dramatic as some of what you've heard about here, but you're going to see something.
	You'll just have to wait for a while.
	It may turn out to be a satellite.
	It may turn out to be an airplane.
	It may turn out to be something strange.
	And you may see a UFO.
	But one thing's for sure.
	If you're on Facebook, you're not gonna see it.
	Darkmatter, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Going once.
	Going twice.
	Gone.
	Darkmatter, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, um, am I on the air?
	You are.
	Oh, wow.
	Art Bellow, right?
	Yes.
	Oh, wow, okay.
	I never expected I would be on the air, ever, actually.
	Okay, well, here you are.
	All right, awesome.
	Well, my name's Tony from Dallas, Texas.
	Right.
	And so, pretty much, I just wanted to just give you, pretty much, calling about a paranormal experience I had last year at a cemetery in McKinney, Texas.
	It's in north of Dallas.
	Okay, this is, you said, a paranormal experience, right?
	And you're at a cemetery.
	That's correct.
	Yeah, so basically me and my girlfriend and a couple of other friends, we went out to this cemetery called Ross Cemetery in McKinney, Texas.
	So the crazy thing about it is usually I am a skeptic, but at the same time I can be a believer at the same time, but only if proof is read to present it in front of me, something that's undisputable.
	And I can definitely tell you tonight that I actually have definitive proof of an E.V.P.
	that one of my friends actually captured and I wasn't really too far ahead.
	Wait, wait, wait, stop, stop, hold on, hold on.
	You have definitive proof of an E.T.
	that you captured?
	E.V.P.s.
	Of a voice, of a voice.
	All right, so you were in a graveyard and you had a recorder with you.
	That's right.
	Well, my friend had a recorder.
	It was actually from his cell phone, but you can actually hear it very well.
	Actually, I have uploaded it on the website a couple of, I want to say sometime last week, because I've always been very scared.
	Honestly, that's the way I felt.
	I've always been kind of very scared, kind of shied away to see if I could Yes, I do.
	putting out paranormal evidence out to my friends.
	Okay, what you're talking about is, okay, you're talking about an electronic voice phenomenon.
	That's correct.
	Okay.
	Do you actually, do you have it with you right now?
	Yes, I do.
	I can actually email you the link, whatever email I can send it to, or...
	I'm going to say, just play it, play it.
	Let me hear it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah, sure.
	Let me just grab it real quick.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	I'm waiting.
	I'll wait.
	We will do a show on EVP, electronic voice phenomena.
	This man went to a graveyard and apparently somebody had a recorder going on a phone and captured what you're about to hear.
	Right, here it is.
	Right here.
	Let me just go ahead and skip over to the last minute, because it's a 3 minute and 39 second EPT, but let me go ahead and skip over to the last minute of it, because you can definitely hear it.
	Look for something that says something, um, whispering, come out and play.
	Here it is.
	All right. And 3, 2, 1, here it is.
	Thank you.
	All I hear is hiss.
	Did you hear that, Art?
	No.
	Let me try it one more time for you.
	Follow me.
	Okay.
	All I heard was hiss.
	Let's see.
	Oh, I did hear it!
	I did hear it.
	Here it comes again.
	Yeah.
	And it said it twice.
	Yeah, it's a little hard to hear, but I heard it.
	You bore me.
	Yeah, and that last part, it's my friend saying, you bore me.
	The crazy thing is that the cemetery is extremely old, very, very extremely old.
	I want to say we found graves going back to the 1700s, late 1700s on that.
	It's always scared me, hearing his voice.
	It always gives me chills.
	I've always been somewhat of a skeptic, but at the same time a believer.
	I guess you could say you could catch me in the middle, depending on if evidence is there, and I'm glad I actually found this evidence.
	I'm glad you did, too, and I'm glad you played it for us.
	Probably would have been better, you know, of course, directly coming over, but I could hear it.
	EVP has a long, rich history.
	I have some friends that we're going to have on the show.
	They have some family difficulty right now, but they're going to come on the show, and they've been playing EVP for years for me.
	And all it requires is a recorder.
	I guess you can use your phone it doesn't matter if it's digital or if it's tape and what you do is take it with you to if you have the cojones for it into a graveyard or a haunted place and you let it run and if you're lucky I mean that's what you want and you're lucky you will hear a voice telling you something now I don't know where this comes from.
	What I do know is that it goes all the way back to Alexander Graham Bell.
	He was investigating this.
	He had voices that appeared on his recording mechanisms.
	And frankly, they're very, very scary sometimes.
	So, if you want to play around with this kind of thing, it's better than Ouija board and more fun to play with.
	Just start a recording going in a place that you think might be haunted and see what you get.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Yeah.
	Hey Art, how you doing?
	Okay, sir.
	I got a quick story.
	I was in California and I was basically babysitting my mom's apartment.
	She had taken a week vacation to Las Vegas and I was laying on the couch watching TV And she had a big mirror on a mantel above the fireplace, and I had the sliding glass door shut, you know, there was no wind, and the mirror, like, flew off about three or four feet, and it shattered, and it shattered with the mirror facing up, and it scared the heck out of me, and I called my mom in Vegas, and I said, hey, you know, the mirror just fell off, and
	She had gotten woken up, you know, basically at the same time, hearing footsteps walking across, you know, by her bed.
	You know, so it was a weird, you know, thing at the same time, because I called her 30 seconds after the mirror had crashed.
	You know, and I figured, you know, if there was any wind, the mirror would have just went straight down.
	So what do you think it was?
	I don't know.
	I spoke to a lady who does paranormal investigations, and she was saying that a lot of spirits are using mirrors as a portal.
	Right.
	And I was like, well, why would they break it?
	I wonder what it is about a mirror that lends itself to paranormal occurrences.
	That's a very interesting question, actually.
	Yeah, I'm not sure.
	I've stayed at her house before, and it's just a small one-bedroom apartment.
	And in the hallway between her room to the bathroom, I've seen, you know, dark figures like, you know, shoot across the little entrance to get into the hallway, the little doorway.
	So I don't know what it was, but it's weird that that crashed.
	And I called her, and she got woken up by footsteps walking by her bed, and there was nobody there.
	It scared me, you know, so I couldn't go to sleep.
	I understand completely, thank you.
	What is it?
	I'm sure somebody out there can help with this.
	What is it about mirrors, even staring into them, that seems to heighten the paranormal possibilities?
	Anybody have any ideas?
	I suppose we could talk about looking into your own soul, self-examination, I really don't know, but there is something about mirrors, isn't there?
	Somebody out there will know.
	Hello there, Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Yes, can we talk about shadow people?
	We can indeed.
	Turn the radio off, please.
	It doesn't always go off.
	There, that should be off now.
	I believe that I was touched by a shadow person, or I should say I believe one ruined my death.
	One did what?
	I'm sorry, one did what?
	One did what?
	Ruined my death.
	Back in 1990, I had created this scenario where I was extremely depressed, it was going to end my life.
	Yes?
	I blew up my trailer.
	Literally.
	And as I was being shoved to the floor from the pressure of the trailer exploding, this black figure appeared beside me, picked me literally off the floor, said, it is not your time to die, and threw me through the wall.
	Wow.
	I think, I think and believe that shadow people are here to be our guardians.
	Well, that one was there for you, that's for sure.
	I don't know if they're all like that.
	Thank you very much for the call.
	All right.
	That creature, or whatever it was, saved him.
	Do I think they're here for that generally?
	I don't know.
	I wonder if anybody else has had a similar experience.
	Anybody out there actually been saved by one of these creatures?
	And again, let us define A shadow person.
	I know, chuckle chuckle, right?
	But a shadow person, it begins in the corner of your eye.
	Almost everybody has had this experience.
	You're watching, I don't care, a computer screen.
	Some people think actually looking at a computer screen produces of visions of shadow people, and I'll explain why.
	It has a certain refresh rate, and your eyes and your brain begin to get adjusted to this refresh rate.
	It's actually flickering.
	You don't know that, you don't see it, but trust me, it's flickering at a certain rate, and that does something to your brain.
	It begins to allow you to see something else, and by something else I mean A movement that occurs in your peripheral vision.
	One way or the other.
	One eye or the other.
	And you see something move quickly across that peripheral vision.
	Not directly, although there have been certainly sightings of shadow people directly.
	But these generally are in your peripheral vision.
	And as for me, I'd just soon have them stay there.
	At any rate, that's what the gentleman is talking about.
	Pretty scary stuff.
	Shadow people.
	Peripheral vision.
	Surely you... You've seen something in the corner of your eye, right?
	I wonder what it was.
	If I could turn the page, In time, then I'd rearrange,
	To take it to the place the crowd was mine.
	But I couldn't find the way, So I'll settle for one day to leave you,
	To me.
	You've Got Me Running You've got me running, going out of my mind.
	You've got me thinking that I'm wasting my time, Scoring me down.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I'll tell you what's wrong, before I get off the floor.
	Don't bring me down.
	You wanna stay out with your fancy friends, Not telling you you've gotta feed the ants.
	Don't bring me down.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I'll tell you what's wrong, before I get off the floor.
	Don't bring me down.
	It's XM, baby, and we're very serious.
	To call Art Bell, please manipulate your communication device and call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	Well, alright, we're in open lines.
	Anything you want to talk about is fair game, and I mean anything.
	You've already had a little sampling.
	These things will go anywhere, you just never know.
	Anyway, you've got the number, I've got the pointer, and hello there, Dark Matter says you're on the air.
	Hi there, is this Hot Bell?
	It is.
	Hi there, Roswell.
	Thank you.
	Alright, my name is Brindy, and I just need some closure on something.
	Okay.
	Alright, now, when I was young, maybe about like, Eight years old.
	Um, I had a little, uh, thing that went on with me, uh, as a child.
	I followed, like, the house.
	I don't know that I was living in or whatever was going on, but a lot of, like, strange things used to happen to me, and my mom used to, like, beat me and stuff like that, because she ain't never liked me.
	Strange things, uh, strange things like what?
	Alright, like, well, she used to say I used to sleepwalk, but When I was a child, I used to, like, get up, uh, things had me pulling me out of my bed, had me walking around touching four corners of my bed.
	I couldn't stop.
	Um, things that, like, opened my doors.
	I'm walking through to my house in the middle of the night.
	Uh, like a force had me going down the steps all the way through the living room, the dining room, down into the dark, you know, part of the basement.
	I'm seeing white things flying around me and all this stuff.
	In the back of the basement, it's like a red light.
	We never had a red light in the back of the basement.
	It was always a green light.
	And the furnace be back there, and the furnace would like breathe, and it was like a force that had me coming to there.
	It's like I snap out of it, and I run, so I run up the steps, and it's like something was like grabbing me and pulling me back down the steps.
	And somehow, some way, I used to run upstairs and make it back into my room.
	And I used to always tell my mom this stuff and my mother would never believe me but she knew something was going on with me and she didn't like the fact that I used to tell my aunts and my uncles and them and they used to joke at me and laugh at me and say I was crazy and stuff.
	So one day we had an incident where my little cousin and his mother came over our house and me and my cousin in the hallway playing with this orange basketball and He passed the ball to me, the ball bounced off me, went down the first flight of steps, then went down the other flight of steps.
	Now we argued about who was going to go down there and get the ball, and I already knew that some strange thing was going on in the house.
	So we both went down the first flight of steps, we turned around, and there's like this guy, I call him Mr. Hyde, like the Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde?
	Yes.
	He was dressed up in all black, in the all black and white suit, with the black hat, with the little white bag going around, and he was holding a basketball in his hand, and he had the other hand, and he had the other hand, which was like, and he was like telling me to come in, to come in.
	And you were how old then?
	This was when I was like eight or nine years old.
	A force was making me come down and start making me go down the steps and I couldn't stop myself and I'm turning back looking at my cousin and he's sitting there just looking at me.
	And I'm going down the steps, I got so close to the, um, to the thing.
	His eyes was pearly white, uh, was pearly black.
	I could see my own reflection on the guy.
	I remember the step always vividly to this, to this very moment because can't nobody, nobody helped me with, uh, like what's going on.
	And, uh, anyway, um, And I'm afraid, listen, there's no way I'm going to be able to give you closure in a situation like that.
	I'm sorry that happened to you, but in terms of my giving you closure, not going to happen.
	That sounds like the sort of thing that you would run by, you know, a hypnotist who would regress you and try and find out what actually happened.
	I had a sister who sleepwalked.
	And it was really scary and really eerie and kind of dangerous.
	I wonder how many of the rest of you have had family members who sleepwalk.
	It's eerie.
	It really, really is eerie to see somebody sort of, because they're in, I don't know, a trance-like state.
	And you don't know what to do.
	To wake them up?
	To not wake them up?
	Usually the best thing is try to get them back to bed without waking them, if you're able to do it.
	But, you know, most times you really have to.
	Hello, Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hello, this is Jim.
	Hi, Jim.
	Hey, I've got a story about glowing feet.
	Glowing feet?
	Sure.
	Sure, whenever I was, about 2001, I'm trying to call Art for ever since then.
	But anyway, my wife and my kids kept telling me they were seeing something go back and forth across the hallway in the back of our double wide there from one room to the other.
	I always thought they was nuts.
	But I never, never saw anything.
	But I would sit in the living room chair one day by myself and my chihuahua.
	He jumps out of my lap, runs down the hallway, just barking with his hair raised up.
	I still don't see anything down there.
	But I did see a light under the door.
	But my wife swears to God she called me when I was on the road one night and said that she saw the glowing feet go from one room to the other.
	So I went back there with my children and they have covered their mirrors up in all their rooms because they're all so convinced that that's where they were coming from.
	The mirrors?
	Yeah, the mirrors.
	And we no longer live there, and we no longer have any problems like that.
	The whole entire time we lived there, my kids were terrified to stay in a two-bedroom.
	I wonder what it is about mirrors.
	All right, well listen, thank you very, very much for the story.
	I'm not sure what to make out of it.
	Glowing feet.
	And I guess that's all there was.
	No body.
	Glowing feet.
	And out of a mirror.
	Again.
	There's something about a mirror, and I'm trying to remember.
	You know, over the years, I've interviewed people about this, and there is something about a mirror, and I know one of you will come up with it.
	I can't recall it just offhand.
	Darkmatter, you're on the air.
	How you doing, Art?
	Doing fine, sir.
	First of all, I want to say Roswell.
	Thank you.
	First-time caller, long-time listener, and I just want to say thank you so much for choosing to come back on the air.
	You've made my night complete now.
	Okay, thank you.
	That's Roswell's.
	I found it fascinating, the guy called about the mirror.
	I had an incident, my wife and I did, at the house we bought here probably about, no, about a year and a half ago.
	We was up in the bedroom, and about one o'clock in the morning, we're just laying in bed, getting ready to go to sleep, and something sounded like it was wiggling the door on the closet.
	Yes.
	And I sat up in the bed, and I looked at that, and I was like, looked at her, said, you hear that?
	She goes, yeah.
	And I was like, what in the world?
	And it just kept wiggling, and I was getting ready to get out of bed to go see what it was, and my wife grabs me, and she goes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	And I says, well, something's obviously in there.
	I don't know what, but anyway, the door just opened.
	The door handle opened, you know?
	And I was just, I was flabbergasted by it.
	I was just like, whoa, what, you know?
	And anyways, we had a mirror, one of those long rectangle mirrors she does, on that door.
	And just as that door opened, that mirror cracked.
	I wonder what it is about mirrors.
	Do you have any thoughts?
	There's something that has to do with paranormal and mirrors.
	I don't know what it is.
	I don't either.
	You know, the gal I talked to, a paranormal specialist, she said basically the same thing.
	I can't quite describe it, but she said, I believe that they used some sort of portal for it.
	And my wife and I are, you know, this just happened roughly, I would say, three weeks ago, and we've just kind of been tossing around because she's like, I'd really like to come over to your house and do some, you know, EBPs and stuff like that, you know, and my wife's just kind of like, I just particularly don't think I want people in my house overnight, but I was like, I think it'd be cool just to find out.
	I guess it would.
	I really don't know.
	Here's a way to think about it.
	EVPs are creepy.
	I'm sorry, but there's no other right way to put it.
	They're creepy.
	When you hear a voice, a disembodied voice, coming out of a recorder of any sort, it's creepy.
	If you heard that, well, this was recorded in a graveyard, it's really creepy.
	If you heard this is recorded here in your house, then it's creepy to the point of Hey, let's think about moving.
	So I don't really, I wouldn't really want to hear an EVP from my house.
	Thank you very much.
	How about the rest of you?
	Any thoughts on that?
	You're on Dark Matter and on the air.
	Hi.
	Hello there.
	Oh, hey, I'm on the air.
	Yes, you are.
	Oh, great.
	My name is Patrick.
	I'm from Georgia.
	Yes, Patrick.
	And I just want your opinion on it.
	You're breaking up, Patrick.
	You're breaking up.
	Oh, can you hear me?
	I hear you, but you're every now and then breaking up pretty badly.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	Can you hear me now?
	I do.
	Okay, thank you.
	I've been listening to your show for a long time, and you talk about subjects, about things that go bump in the night.
	Also, it's a weird manner of people and things.
	I was just wondering if you had heard about these people who dress up in animal costumes and run around the place called furries.
	Furries?
	Yeah, they dress up as all sorts of different animals and go to conventions.
	I don't know if it's paranormal.
	It's definitely extra normal.
	Are they Trekkies?
	No, I kind of.
	I don't know.
	They just share crazy things.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Well, let's try this.
	Are you a furry?
	Well, well, I don't know.
	Come on, let's hear it.
	Maybe.
	What do you dress up as?
	Well, let's see.
	Sometimes...
	Now we're getting to it.
	Well, sometimes it's a lion.
	A lion?
	Yeah.
	When you dress up as a lion, do you find that people are surprised?
	Do they get upset?
	Do they laugh?
	Do they run?
	Well, they laugh.
	They seem to like it.
	It seems to be a thing that makes people happy.
	It's a happy suit.
	It's nothing, it's not like a voodoo mask.
	It looks like a football team mascot.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay, well that's okay if you're on a football field.
	But, you know, if you're in somebody's living room, it might, they might be very upset.
	Just burn through the wall?
	Yes, exactly.
	All right.
	So there you have it.
	A furry.
	How many other furries are out there?
	The Lord only knows.
	People who like to slip that fur burden thing over their head and go and see the neighbors.
	That's funny.
	Furries.
	Hi there, Dark Matter.
	You're on the air.
	Hello, Art.
	How you doing?
	Hello.
	Just fine, sir.
	Where are you?
	This is Bill.
	I'm in the high desert in California.
	Okay.
	I need to start asking people where they are.
	Okay.
	Go ahead.
	That's where I'm from.
	Anyhow, I know all about Ely, Nevada.
	I was responsible for all the electronic systems that went from California to Utah, including that radar site that was on top of that mountain looking down into Ruth.
	You're telling me that you know all about Ely?
	I know all about the town of Ely, the surrounding area of Ely, Cherry Creek.
	Yeah, but do you know about the crash?
	No.
	I don't know about the crash, and I went up there for 25 years, And no one up there could ever tell me about it.
	I've been to the Railroad Museum.
	I've gone through it a few dozen times.
	Have you heard about the crash?
	Well, I've never met anyone that could tell me about the crash.
	I'm sorry, but I wanted to let you know there are a lot of miners up there.
	So if anybody goes there to check things out, be very careful.
	Are you alright?
	This was in July of 52.
	Yeah, I wasn't there then.
	I worked for the military.
	For the Air Force at Edwards Air Force Base.
	And so for 20 years, I had to go up there at least six times a year and spend a week or two up there because I had 19 sites, microwave sites, including that radar site from Utah back to Edwards and across Area 51.
	I had one that looked right down over Area 51.
	I used to go up there and after the helicopters let me through, after I finished my Work that I had to do.
	Wait a minute.
	Why did the helicopters let you through?
	Because I was authorized.
	I have a site on top of the mountain that looks down over Area 51.
	Well, okay, then you can probably tell me quite a bit about Area 51, right?
	I can just tell you kind of what it looks like from sitting on top of the mountainside looking down at it with binoculars eating my lunch.
	Well, almost everybody can do that, right?
	Binoculars, mountainside.
	You can't get up on top of the mountain anymore.
	They've got all those roads blocked off, and a black helicopter comes out to check you out when you drive up there.
	Yeah, okay.
	Well, what have you seen?
	I've seen just things on the ground.
	Normal things, regular things, nothing unusual.
	No flying saucers there.
	I've had B-52s fly over me at 100 feet, going up and down those valleys, up through those valleys up in there.
	Well, I've never seen any UFOs, and I've never seen anything unusual.
	Now, I might have seen some of the, uh, the stealth fighters when they were coming along, you know, when they were initially being tested.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	Wait a minute.
	Now you've seen stealth fighters.
	Oh, yeah.
	I've seen the stealth fighters, the stealth bombers.
	I've seen all that.
	But that doesn't help you out as far as the crash goes.
	I'm sorry.
	I've never seen Anything about that.
	I hope there's something there.
	And I used to have to drive right up to Cherry Creek.
	And there is no big towns up there.
	It's just one or two buildings.
	There might be some people that are here and there.
	The railroad is still there.
	That railroad was used to haul the ore from the Ruth Mine, which was the largest open copper pit mine, up to McGill, which was the processing plant for processing ore into gold and silver.
	All right, well, you heard Jeremy Meader's story about it, right?
	Yes, I did.
	Other than the fact that he was a little splintered in the way he told it, what did you think of the story?
	It was a very interesting story.
	He was a little bit discombobulated, but other than that, if he had gotten a little more into it or knew more about the area, I don't know.
	I knew a lot of the areas he talked about, but then, anyhow, I think it's a good possibility, but I'd never heard of it.
	Nor had I. I've been up there many times and talked to all the people in town.
	I knew the people in the newspaper.
	Alright, I'll tell you what, the next time you go up there, ask about this.
	Alright?
	I will.
	Alright, I'm sorry.
	Thank you very much.
	Please do that.
	In other words, if you really do frequent the area and know people up there, then by all means, To say, hey listen, I wonder if you know anybody who knows about a crash, a UFO crash that was said to have occurred here back in 1952.
	In other words, don't come at it, you know, kind of like you're in MIB or something.
	Just, you know, kind of casually say, what do you know?
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hi Art.
	Hello.
	Thank you.
	Minnie Roswell, this is Levi from Tulsa calling in about your question on the mirrors.
	Yes, sir.
	And I've always had a lifelong fascination with the occult, and I also practice witchcraft.
	And the reason why we use mirrors is because they are a portal.
	They allow you to see the reverse and the opposite side.
	And I take it they allow the opposite side to see you?
	Yes.
	Fact is, a couple of more well-known, among some circles, is like when you're summoning a Djinn, you use a mirror as a primary source.
	Right.
	And then they can see you, you can see them through that kind of discussion.
	Same with like scrying, the mirror allows you to see the other side.
	Scrying, that's it, yes.
	So yeah, that's pretty much the main reason why people use mirrors, and why the paranormal is attracted to them.
	It allows you to see the other side of the portal.
	What have you seen through mirrors?
	Me, personally, I've seen a few paranormal experiences, mostly friendly ghosts, I hope.
	I usually keep a lot of my mirrors covered in my house because of that reason.
	Because I'm also attuned to the supernatural, so I get senses, I get feelings, I see glimpses like they're trying to talk to me.
	Because it's been one of my family traits for a while.
	The only thing I want to see in a mirror is myself, and I'm not wild about that.
	Yeah, um, if you're not open to it, or you tell me they're not welcome, usually they don't come to the mirror, but you have to reinforce that they only come when you want them to, otherwise... I'm going to try and remember that.
	Uh-huh.
	In other words, mirror, mirror on the wall, don't show me anybody else at all.
	Well, you could do it that way.
	Usually when I'm dealing with them, I just tell them in a firm voice, please leave.
	Not right now.
	And usually I don't have to worry about them after that.
	All right.
	Well, I'll certainly keep that in mind.
	Thank you very much.
	You're welcome.
	Bye.
	Mirror, mirror on the wall.
	No thank you.
	I've seen it all.
	Don't want any moving figures.
	No wispy figures.
	No ghosts.
	snow goblins.
	We'll rip us down again.
	Caesars don't fear the reaper.
	No, do the wind, the sun, or the rain.
	We can be right there.
	So come on baby, don't fear the reaper.
	Baby, take my hand, don't fear the reaper.
	We'll be able to fly, don't fear the reaper.
	Don't fear the reaper.
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	You could read my mind, love What a tale my thoughts could tell Just like an old time movie About a ghost from a wishing well In a castle dark Or a fortress strong With chains upon my feet You know that ghost is me From the area of 51, this is Dark Matter with Art Bell.
	To join the show please call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	From the area of 51, this is Dark Matter with Art Bell.
	To join the show, please call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	I'm not sure what we're talking about right now.
	Sort of a little bit of everything.
	It's called Open Lines.
	It's called unscreened Open Lines.
	So anything that you want to talk about is fair game.
	That's what it's really all about.
	That goes with me.
	Hi there.
	You're on Dark Matter.
	Hello, Mr. Bell.
	Great to talk to you, sir.
	Great to talk to you.
	Sounds like you're moving right along in a truck.
	Oh, yes, sir, I am.
	Yes, sir.
	I'm down here in Texas.
	I wanted to ask you about back about 15 years ago, you had a had a recording supposedly from hell.
	And I wondered if maybe you could replay that because it really affected me a lot.
	And I really wanted to hear about that again.
	You really don't want to hear that, do you?
	Well, Not necessarily, but I remember it had a terrible effect on me, and it seemed like something I'd heard before, and it was really, and it troubled me.
	I mean, I still remember it from 15 years ago when I was a kid.
	Right.
	Are you really sure you want to hear that?
	In the dark?
	In the night time?
	In a truck?
	In Texas?
	Well, yes sir.
	If there's some kind of explanation to what it is, I mean, if that's... All right, all right.
	You wish, you receive.
	Just stay there, don't hang up.
	Are you still there?
	Good.
	Yes, sir.
	In the 1980s, Russian scientists in Siberia were performing a series of borehole experiments.
	These digs were typically performed for purposes of geotechnical investigation and the location of rare mineral deposits.
	But in this case, the geologists in Russia simply wanted to see how deep they could go.
	This is a true incident, or at least a reported incident.
	It was in the wire service.
	Their experiment began without incident, but when their drill reached the nine-mile mark, that would be deeper than anyone had ever drilled before, its rotation became erratic.
	They had apparently drilled into a hollow opening underground.
	Inside the cavern, temperature sensors read upwards of 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
	It was then they decided to send a microphone down to gather more data.
	The microphone only lasted about 30 seconds in the heat of the cavern before malfunctioning.
	But in those 30 seconds, the scientist caught something incredible on tape.
	Yes, sir.
	I'll remember it very clearly.
	Yes.
	There you go.
	That's it.
	You really sure you wanted to hear that, huh?
	Well, I remember it very clearly, but I'd always wondered if hell was maybe more transdimensional than something that was just in the middle of the earth.
	Listen, I don't know what it is.
	It's horrible.
	It's horrible.
	It sounds like hell to me.
	I had to pull over to the side of the road.
	Ha ha!
	Yeah, well...
	I'm glad you've enjoyed it.
	Well, I don't know if I enjoyed it, but thank you so much, Mr. Bell, and thank you so much for coming back.
	One quick question.
	Yes, sir?
	You figure that's where you're headed?
	No, sir.
	You sure about that?
	Yes, sir.
	Absolutely.
	Makes it easier to listen to, then.
	Okay, thank you very much for the call.
	Have a good night.
	Well, you wanted to hear it.
	There have been many who say that's baloney, and it's hogwash, and it's made up, and it's this and it's that, but it is what it is.
	Same recording from years ago.
	It was a legit wire story, and it may be so much hogwash, or maybe not.
	You decide.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello, Art.
	Hi.
	This is Ward calling from Rain Springs, California.
	Hey, Ward.
	Hey, I wanted to say Uber Roswells and 51s from Belgab.
	Uber Roswells.
	Thank you.
	That's fine.
	And thank you for saving us from 10 years of snoring on the radio.
	I wanted to actually tell you that, you know, a lot of us have been living on your old shows in MP3 format.
	And you've discussed some things in there that you talked about, but you really didn't go into detail.
	So could you discuss, I have three questions for you here, any of your closet experiences, any of your red-eye experiences?
	Wait a minute, one thing at a time.
	What do you mean closet experiences?
	Well, you said you were really afraid as a kid of the closet door being open.
	You still can't sleep with the closet door open.
	I don't.
	I close the closet door, but I've never had any Really negative experience and the reason is because I close the damn thing.
	Well what about what about your Ouija board story or red eyes?
	Ouija board I won't talk about.
	Red eyes are awful.
	Absolutely awful.
	I mean, the worst thing that you could see in the dark, in the night, would be a pair of red eyes.
	If you do see them, then probably you're headed for, well, you heard what I played there a minute ago, right?
	Yeah.
	Frightening stuff.
	Appreciate the call, sir.
	Thank you, Art.
	Thank you, and take care.
	I've always been ill-disposed to red eyes.
	Red glowing eyes.
	As a matter of fact, there was a story of a chupacabra.
	I think it turned out to be a dog.
	I'm not really sure.
	But part of the description of what this guy saw, he shot what he thought was a chupacabra.
	And they're still arguing, I think, about what it was.
	But it had red glowing eyes.
	Don't like red eyes.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hi Art.
	Welcome back.
	Thank you.
	Maker Roswell's to you.
	Excellent.
	I've got an EVP story for you.
	Okay.
	My mom and dad, when I was a young boy, they were involved in Uh, playing around with people that, in fact, you know, mess around with white witchcraft and leechboards, uh, and tarot and such.
	My mom has a copy on, I know you remember the old reel to reel.
	Sure.
	She played it for me during one of these sessions.
	I guess that they were with their friends.
	And on the tape, You could hear, the only way I could describe it would be a whisper, but a loud enough whisper, but not a, I would say, evil.
	And you could hear two things being said, saying, shut the door and leave the key.
	Shut the door and leave, I'm sorry, and leave the key?
	Leave the key.
	Those were the only two things you could hear.
	From the time I heard that until now, it still gives me the chills.
	I've never heard any other EVP before.
	I just tuned into your show tonight, and I wanted to share that with you.
	Well, why were your parents messing around with stuff like that?
	My mom was on a spiritual journey.
	She tried everything.
	TM asked, you know, I do.
	They dabbled in all these things for quite a while.
	Well, you know, when you dabble in those things, a lot of times those things dabble back.
	Yeah, eventually they became Catholics.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Interesting road.
	Interesting road indeed.
	From witchcraft and dabbling, as he put it, to Catholicism.
	You know, as unlikely a road as that sounds like, I get it.
	In other words, if you dabble enough and you get into dark areas to the degree that you become a believer in things dark and things, dare I say it, evil, then I would think, at some point in your life, you would turn from that to what you would think would save you.
	Does that make sense?
	Certainly does to me.
	Prove one, and you've proven the other.
	Kind of like Richard's white bird.
	Hello there, Dark Matter, and you have arrived.
	All right.
	Yes.
	This is Mike from- Mike, please turn your radio off.
	It's off.
	It's off.
	Okay, thank you.
	This is Mike from- dang it, shut up- from Modesto, California.
	Mega Roswell dittos.
	Thank you.
	I wanted to ask you a question.
	I have a cat, and I'm going to sound crazy because I'm not a nut, but this cat sits on numerous occasions looking up at the ceiling and following something.
	Now I know this.
	Oh yes.
	Oh no, you're not crazy.
	I've seen it all the time with my cats.
	They see things that we do not.
	There's no question about it.
	What do you think they are, Art?
	Something that, given the opportunity, would grab your neck and rip it out?
	Oh my God, I've got the cat here to save me!
	Or maybe just a bug going across the room.
	I look for insects, but there's none there.
	I've got another question for you.
	I was looking at the B-Crane advertisement, and I noticed you standing next to a King Air 350.
	Are you a pilot, and is that your airplane?
	Not even a little bit of a pilot.
	My big experience in the air, sir, was crashing in a hang glider, breaking my arm.
	Oh, well, so much for piloting.
	Compound fracture, actually, up in Alaska.
	Holy cow.
	All right.
	Well, thank you.
	Right.
	Thank you very much.
	And I'll briefly tell you the story.
	I was working for KENI Radio up in Anchorage.
	And the radio station folks convinced me that it'd be a cool idea to promote the radio station by having me, who did their morning show, go off into the wilderness in Alaska, kind of into the wilderness as far as I was concerned anyway, down near Palmer, Alaska, and hang glide.
	And for that purpose, they had found the owner of a hang gliding company.
	Right?
	And he came along, for my safety.
	And, um, we were running, we were supposed to run along with this hang glider, off a small cliff, or hill, I guess would be more like it, and take flight, and then land, and that was going to be the, that was it.
	They said, Art, nothing can go wrong.
	The wind is perfect.
	No problems.
	Guarantee you, you'll be fine.
	So... Yes, I was in the air.
	I thought I had taken flight.
	The air was under me.
	The sky above, the ground below.
	And I think that I was probably airborne for about ten seconds.
	Maybe twelve.
	And then that which could not happen occurred.
	As I was lying on the ground with my bones sticking out, the guy said, you know, I'm really sorry.
	I said, I'm sorry, Art.
	That wind came out of nowhere.
	That crosswind came out of nowhere.
	I looked up at him and I said, and I was kind of numb, I said, you said it couldn't happen.
	I don't remember what was said after that, and on the way to the hospital, everybody donated their drugs to me, and so by the time I got to the hospital to get the arms set, the doctor looked at me and said, he's had enough.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Bravo, Dark.
	How are you tonight?
	Okay!
	Kind of enjoying open lines.
	Oh, it's very, very good.
	I have a quick question about that audio clip you played in the first hour.
	It said the name Peter Gersten, and that made my ears perk up.
	How old is that audio clip?
	Well, pretty old, in the sense that, you know, Jesse Marcel was on there, the original Marcel.
	So, pretty old.
	I thought very revealing.
	I mean, here we have a man who knows aircraft, up and down, inside and out.
	And the man said, this was not one of our aircraft.
	You know, this was absolutely out of this world.
	What do you say about that?
	Well, I just don't know, but I heard Peter Gersten's name, and I actually met him a couple years ago in Fedona.
	Shooter Alan Gersten.
	Is this the same Peter Gersten?
	Absolutely.
	Okay, okay.
	Well, I didn't realize he was involved that much with Roswell.
	When I met with him, he was really stuck on talking about some of Michael Calveau's theories about the holographic universe, and I didn't even really get the chance to visit with him much about some of his research with the Phoenix Lights and with Other UFO cases, because he was really devout in trying to spread the message that we're on a big matrix, and that matrix is breaking down.
	So I just wanted some clarification from that.
	Thank you very much.
	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
	Matrix, do you believe that there's any chance, sir, that we are all living in a matrix that we're all, actually science is looking at this right now and getting ready to try and test for it.
	I mentioned this to Professor Riata.
	I heard that over the air over the last couple of days and I you know I think that the answers are definitely out there.
	I went down to Sedona for a Indigo children gathering here on 11-11 of 2011 and that's when I got to meet Peter And the whole week that I was down there, I got to see a lot of things around all the different portals and everything else there that would really indicate that something's breaking down.
	So there's more than meets the eye here.
	We're definitely crossing over to a different dimension.
	That's kind of what I feel that the whole 2012 movement was, was us moving into that new paradigm where we can't see things like that.
	All right.
	I really appreciate the call.
	Thank you.
	How many of the rest of you Think that we are living in some sort of matrix.
	Yeah, sure, I saw the movie, like everybody else.
	But science is seriously considering this matter now.
	That we're in a matrix, that is to say.
	I've got quite a bit of material on it here, but I don't have to say much more than I've just said.
	How many of you have wondered whether we're actually living in a matrix?
	How many of you have seen Give me some sort of evidence that you would cite that we actually are in a matrix.
	In other words, we're all puppets walking around in a pre-planned universe.
	And that if somebody were to throw the right switch, the pre-planned universe would effectively disappear and we'd be somewhere or someone else.
	Derek Matter, you're on the air.
	Yes, sir.
	Hi.
	Turn your radio off, please.
	Always first.
	Everybody do that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	First, I'd like to say, first-time caller, and I really enjoy your show.
	I've listened to it off and on for years.
	Finally, I have a satellite radio.
	And I can hear you clearly now instead of the AM stuff.
	Isn't that nice?
	Oh, it's wonderful, wonderful.
	Every chance I get and I'm up this late, I'm an over-the-road driver, and every time I'm up this late and I get a chance to tune in, I do so.
	I've always frankly thought, I know they have trucker shows and stuff like that, but I've always thought that we had more listeners in trucks than the trucker shows had.
	I have no doubt about that.
	Your show is very entertaining.
	It gives food for thought on all sorts of subjects that you don't consider every day.
	And I really appreciate you doing this.
	It's really entertaining, keeps me awake, and I really enjoy it.
	As far as what you were talking about earlier, about whether or not I thought there was a matrix or something, I don't feel like that.
	I have had one experience in my life that I know to be true.
	I guess I could entertain the thought of being different dimensions or possibility of spirits or demons or something like that.
	Well, let's stick with what happened.
	What happened to you?
	Well, what happened to me was, when I was a kid, I used to go to bed at night and I would dream.
	The next day, everything I dreamed would come true.
	And, uh, yeah, it was really wild because I was a kid and it was scary to me.
	Um, I wasn't old enough to, to, uh, appreciate it.
	I guess it scared me more than anything.
	And, uh, I did notice, however, that if I saw an event, it would just be certain events and a lot of them were meaningless, you know?
	But if I recognized an event about to happen that I had dreamed of the night before and I did something different than what was in my dream, then the entire rest of the day was absolutely new to me and I didn't know what was going to happen.
	I've never heard that before.
	I've never heard it.
	So you were able to actually have a dream every night, and then the next day recognize that dream, and you could either go along with it or change something.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	How cool is that?
	Well, it was scary to me, but I even proved it one time to my parents.
	I got up that morning, and my father was religious about watching the morning news.
	And I got up early that morning and was telling them about somebody had died, and they were bringing his coffin off the plane, and it had the American flag on it, and I don't even remember who it was that died.
	It was a senator or something.
	They, you know, as they were watching the news, hear it come on, and they started showing them all the events that I just told them about.
	And I remember them looking at each other and just, you know, like, what do we say to them?
	Probably saying something like, is that really our seed?
	Yeah, they're like, I mean, they didn't know what to say to me, you know?
	I understand.
	Pretty much ignored it, you know?
	I get it.
	Thank you very much.
	That is fascinating.
	Any of the rest of you have that?
	Can you imagine having a dream every single night and having it come true the next day religiously?
	And or, as he pointed out, this was a real trick part of it, I thought, being able to recognize that you're in the middle of that dream and then changing something that then changed the rest of the day.
	Now what does that say about time?
	I'm going to be thinking about this one for a while.
	That is really, really cool.
	A Dark Matter has you on the air.
	Hello.
	Oh, that's wonderful.
	I mean, let me take out my gum.
	I almost swallowed it there.
	So excited, my heart's beating like a zebra tap dancing on jello.
	Oh, it'll get better.
	OK.
	OK, here's here's one for you.
	It's not a UFO story, but it's an absolutely true story.
	It happened about 22 years ago.
	Back in the late 50s, early 60s, I was a youngster back East, and I had a great-great-aunt who I spent a lot of time with.
	We were very close.
	And then about the mid-60s, when I was about 10, she and my parents had a falling out, and I wasn't allowed to see her anymore.
	And then about 10 years after that, she died, but I didn't go to the funeral.
	And then about 22 years ago, I was visiting my hometown, and I said, I wonder if I went to the cemetery if I could find my great-great-aunt's grave.
	So I had been there as a child, maybe when I was six or seven, and I barely remembered how to get to the place.
	I drove, and I ended up on a side street.
	But it was next to the cemetery, so it was a nice day.
	I got out of the car, walked along the edge of the property where there was a little stone wall, and then I got to a break in the wall, and there was a pathway that I guess the digging equipment and groundskeepers used that for access.
	So I said, well, I'll just go in here, because it was a very large cemetery, thousands of graves.
	So I walked down this service path for about 20 feet, and then I stopped.
	And I looked to my right, and like four or five headstones down that row is my great-great-aunt's grave.
	Okay.
	Now, I have no explanation for that.
	You mean, just being so close to it?
	The fact that you just went in and boom, there it is?
	Well, then I walked in.
	I barely knew how to get to the cemetery.
	So I got there, walked down that little path, Perhaps you were guided.
	Yeah, maybe you were guided.
	Well, and see, that's not the only experience of a psychic, I guess, nature that I've had.
	In the mid-80s, I studied with a psychic.
	And on the very first day of class, there were about a dozen people in the class, none of whom I met, I had ever known before.
	And the first exercise that we did was to hold an object owned by somebody else.
	Okay, I held this woman's ring, I guess it was, or a bracelet, and picked up vibes or impressions of her home.
	A half a dozen things.
	I believe it, and probably more than that, things about her life and the rest of what might come along with something like that.
	You can do that.
	You might try it.
	Pick up an object that belongs to somebody else and just have some quiet time.
	You know, in this day and age, we don't have much quiet time.
	As I mentioned earlier, we have the Internet.
	We have Facebook.
	We have a million different things to occupy our minds, and we have very little downtime, very little quiet time.
	But if you want to try an experiment, and you want to have some fun, if this kind of thing for you is fun, then give it a shot.
	Pick up an object of somebody else, that belongs to somebody else.
	Don't be seen marching away with it, but if you can do it reasonably, hold on to something and see what you get.
	It requires, as I mentioned, quiet time.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Mega Roswell, Lark Bell.
	Thank you.
	Hi, this is Mike Hall from Central California.
	I had a quick question.
	If you're going to do any Truth or Trash episodes in the future?
	I might.
	Sure, why not?
	All right, I sure missed those.
	Anyways, I'll keep it short.
	That was it.
	Great to hear you back on.
	That was fast.
	I had some other stuff, but I totally forgot.
	7-3.
	Totally blew it out of your mind.
	7-3.
	That's Ham Radio.
	Truth or Trash.
	That's kind of fun.
	And it's very simple.
	You simply get somebody who's got a story.
	You know, it wouldn't be as easy for me.
	Because I'm not... I would have to actually screen the calls to some degree myself.
	To get somebody who's got a really outrageous story and let them tell it, and then kind of have a panel of three or four people to judge whether it's truth or trash, and then have the person come back and, you know, tell the panel if they're right or wrong.
	It's a lot of fun.
	You're on Dark Matter.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	No, I guess you're not.
	Let's try this one.
	Dark Matter, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Hi, Art Ross.
	How are you, my friend?
	Thank you.
	Two things I have to tell you, and one is a complaint.
	The first thing is, as a young kid we were throwing snowballs at cars, and in the middle of the night we saw a big huge orange fireball going across the sky.
	Wait a minute, when you were a kid throwing snowballs at cars, I think I've seen you, you saw a big orange fireball in the sky?
	Yeah, in northeast Pennsylvania.
	And I couldn't explain it, I looked it up on the internet, couldn't find nothing.
	Maybe it was a driver shooting back.
	It could have been.
	It could have been.
	But the second incident that we saw in that matter was right after 9-11.
	It was the week, more or less the week going into the week after.
	We're driving up Newburgh, New York.
	We're 18-wheeler drivers and we're doing dropping hooks, turn around, coming back.
	Well, you know that's Newburgh Airport up there and they have the Army base or whatever.
	We saw three lights in the sky right against Interstate 84 with a dome light, you know, like a reddish dome light in the middle.
	The guy with me, he's a die-hard Jehovah's Witness.
	And, uh, we both looked at it.
	We pulled over off the road, down the road, because we were a little nervous.
	This thing did not go up and down, left or right.
	It, like, it went straight.
	It didn't, no hover or nothing.
	I mean, we were underneath it, didn't see nothing.
	But, a little bit ago, my cousin was going down the other direction, because we all had to come down into PA.
	He saw the same identical thing, but we had to get out away from the cell phone, you know, the towers are bad between the mountains, cut the other side in the Pennsylvania, and he calls me and says, you won't believe what I saw!
	And he got me hooked on you.
	I give him the reason why I'm bugging you that you're back.
	Alright.
	Well, he saw the identical thing down in Pennsylvania off Interstate 78.
	Alright, listen, I've got to take a break, so I've got to go, but I appreciate the call.
	Glad you're my friend.
	Take care.
	And do take care.
	This is Dark Matter.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Some velvet morning when I'm straight. I'm gonna open up your gate. And maybe tell you about Phaedra.
	And how she...
	I'm Art Bell.
	I'm Art Bell.
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	♪♪ From the area of 51, this is Dark Matter with Art Bell.
	To join the show, please call 1-855-REAL-UFO.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	This is really cool.
	That's 1-855-732-5836.
	This is really cool. Somebody has wormholed me.
	That doesn't sound right, does it?
	Somebody has sent me a message through the wormhole which says, Is it because of the entanglement theory that holding objects can tell you things?
	What a really cool thought!
	Is it because of entanglement?
	Now remember, what do we know about entanglement?
	We know it's quantum theory.
	We know that if two objects are made familiar to each other, particles, electrons, which flip and flop, they can then be separated.
	First they have to be together.
	But then they can be separated, well, By as much distance as you would care to put between them, and they will flip and flop in unison from that point forward and forevermore.
	So this person is saying, is it because of that entanglement theory, if you project it, that holding objects can tell you things?
	Is that fascinating or what?
	Dark Matter, you're on the air, hello!
	Hi!
	Art!
	It's you!
	Oh my heavens!
	I have been waiting to talk to you for probably 10 years about this story.
	All right, turn the radio off and let's... I did, sir.
	I did, sir.
	I live in Santa Cruz, and I was visiting a friend of mine in Monterey Bay, down in Capitola, which is near the power plant.
	I know where it is.
	Yeah, and it's a beautiful area.
	This was one of these really nice homes and we had dinner and then I started I was having a cigarette because I smoked and I was walking along the pool and I was looking out over the bay and all of a sudden I saw this green light come up from under the water and this object came up it was glowing green and it had kelp draped all over it which Which was very remarkable because you normally don't hear people mention little details like that.
	No, I'd be so gone.
	I would be panicked and my heart would probably jump out of my chest.
	I mean a glowing green object with kelp on it surfaces.
	What was it?
	I don't know.
	It kept surfacing and then it kept going up into the air and then it started to move towards the Moss Landing plant.
	And at that point, the two other people I was having dinner with, they happened to have one of those telescopes, those little spy glasses.
	I used to live, by the way, in Moss Landing, so you know.
	Oh, oh cool!
	I used to eat strawberries in the strawberry field under the high tension lines coming up out of the plant.
	Fantastic strawberries there.
	But we had a spyglass.
	And so we started looking at it through the spyglass.
	Yes.
	It raised up.
	It went across the bay over to Moss Landing, because we were in Capitola at that point.
	So, you know, there's a few miles between those.
	And it hovered in front of the Moss Landing plant for about 30 minutes.
	And we were looking at it through the spyglass, all three of us.
	I called the cops.
	They said, you're seeing a fishing boat, like Fishing boats don't float in the air, and they're not green.
	And when we looked at it through the spyglass, we actually saw that the green light was actually a combination of elliptoid lights that were green, amber and green.
	And then the weirdest thing that two of us saw, my husband didn't see it, but the other person we were with saw it.
	It looked like there was some kind of a mechanical arm that came across that was going out of whatever it was, a craft I'm assuming, and taking something from the power plant.
	Then, for 30 minutes, it sat there doing this, and we finally had to leave because we had to get home, because we live in Santa Cruz.
	And I kept watching it out the back seat of the car, or out the back window.
	And it winked out.
	It disappeared.
	Ah, that's what I would have done.
	I'd have winked out.
	I'm sorry.
	We're so, so out of time.
	It has been a pleasure.
	Very interesting Jeremy Meader story early on.
	Make of that what you will, and fascinating open lines.
	It's been my pleasure, and we'll see you tomorrow night.
	Have a great night, everybody, from the high desert, the great American Southwest.
	Dark Matter says good night.
	Good night.
	Good night.
	No, no, no!
	Midnight in the desert, and there's wisdom in the air.
	I've been looking for the answers, all my life I've felt you there.
	Bye!
	As the world we live in beckons Are we heeding all the signs?
	Have we lost our intuition?
	Are we running out of time?
	Midnight in the desert And we're listening Ooh, we're listening And we're listening

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