Jeremy Meador reveals the 1952 Ely, Nevada UFO crash—two sightings (green T-shaped object, orange fireball), a robotic "Thumper" chasing children, and military-quarantined sites with magnetized debris. He details Project High Range’s radar monitoring, derailed train tracks, and three eerie Men in Black encounters, including one where strangers knew his personal details. Witnesses like Claude House faced intimidation, while B-36 bombers allegedly triggered fires near crash zones. Meador’s anomalous rock samples—one hematite-like, another hollow yellow—spark skepticism, yet Bell insists deeper investigation is needed. The episode ties UFOs, paranormal phenomena, and government secrecy to a broader pattern of unexplained activity, questioning official narratives while exploring fringe theories like psychic portals and quantum entanglement. [Automatically generated summary]
And so, another week of extra terrestrial radio begins.
Good evening, everybody.
I am Art Bell, and this is Dark Matter.
A few little housekeeping measures, I guess, to begin.
About a million requests for a couple of people, and I don't have immediate access to them.
One is Mel Waters of Mel's Hole fame.
Mel, if you're out there, would love to get an email or a phone call from you or contact my producer, and we'll do it again and get an update.
Mel's Hole.
Well, it was about a man who found a hole in the ground that apparently was endless.
Some pretty interesting properties.
Also, John Teeter.
If John is anywhere near the timeline, John, figure out a way to go to artbell.com, actually, either one of you.
And email my producer, Paul Bowman.
He's the way to get on the air over here.
And we'll see what we can do.
So, two oldies but goodies.
John Tater, Mel Waters.
By the way, you know who I did talk to?
Madman Markham.
I've got Madman's tentative phone number.
All right, in the housekeeping category, inactivity, a lot of emails.
I get lots of emails about, you know, what's going on with the show art?
Geez, at 90 minutes, and then it cuts me off and I've got to reconnect.
All right.
Well, there's a reason for it and a way around it.
Number one, if you're listening to the program and you're cut off after 90 minutes, that means you didn't touch anything.
So what I'm telling you to do is reach out and touch.
Turn your volume up or down a little bit sometime during that 90-minute period.
Then they begin counting again.
You see, it's a sort of man versus machine thing.
They know that man can make mistakes.
Not machines, right?
In other words, you might tune into the channel and then forget for three days that you've got your computer downloading and downloading and downloading.
So they do that.
And it will save you money and save them money because of streaming costs.
You know, bandwidth is money.
Have you heard that before?
Bandwidth is money.
So all you've got to do to prevent it anyway is reach over and touch the volume or something, turn it up or down a hair, or almost anything you do on the receiver will reset that 90 minutes so you don't get cut off.
Hope that helps.
Now, the wormhole.
The wormhole has been experiencing unusual gravitational effects.
What that means, translation is that our wormhole at rbell.com, which is supposed to reliably send a message over here, actually had some sort of software glitch in it.
And of course, you guys pounded the holy, you know, what out of it.
And that contributed to its demise.
It's premature demise.
It crashed about 21 times during the last show that I did.
So we now have a new, improved, cannot be crashed wormhole.
Keith Rowland went to work and wrote code and made a new wormhole, and it really is sweet.
And later on tonight, I'm sure we will test its mettle by having you all send a bunch of messages.
But I do have faith that this new creation of Keith's, because he's very, very good at what he does, is going to hold up.
Anyway, we're going to find out.
Blackberry.
See the news today?
$4.7 billion, something like that.
People who have BlackBerries love them.
I know I have an iPhone 5.
It's hard to understand why people love them so much.
They're businessmen mostly, but they love them.
Now it's sold, and they're going to cater to exactly those people, the business people.
So even though you Heard the news today.
If you're one of those guys, I know Bob Crane is, you'd have to rip his blackberry out of his cold, dead fingers.
So you'll be okay.
And then it was really cute.
I saw a kid on CNN earlier today, a three-year-old.
And this is sort of an illustration of the times we live in now.
A three-year-old.
Little boy, cute as heck.
But mom and dad had just switched to iOS 7, the new operating system for Apple, and he was crying, I don't like it, I don't want it.
Just crying and crying and crying.
He doesn't like iOS 7.
I'm just getting used to it.
I don't know how y'all are doing out there.
Looking around the world briefly, Kenyan's security forces were in what they said were the final stages of flushing out Islamic extremist terrorists from the shopping mall where so many were killed.
There are now, and this is really sad, there are reports that as many as three Americans may have been among those who attacked the mall.
What?
Americans, really?
Iran's new foreign minister is going to join talks with six key nations trying to rein in the Islamic Republic's nuclear program.
That'll be later this week at the UN.
Good luck with that.
30 large dolphins beached themselves in Brazil.
We'll figure that one out someday.
And another government shutdown.
Seriously.
It's one of the reasons that I honest God, I really don't care very much.
I mean, you can't avoid politics entirely.
But if there's a reason to do it, it's this.
Another government shutdown.
I almost feel like saying, who the hell cares?
You know, they'll come right up to the brink and then they'll either shut it down or refund it.
You know, it's all about Obamacare, I guess.
Selective's DNA, high-velocity DNA tagging system may come to a neighborhood near you soon.
You can actually see it in action, I think, on the web.
It's available in both pistol form and rifle form.
It is a new tool that would allow government agencies to prevent criminals from running away or disappearing into a crowd before being arrested.
Now, what this little baby does, it's a high-velocity tagging system.
They shoot you with it, right?
Up to 30 or say 40 meters away.
They hit you with selected DNA high-velocity pellet.
It contains a unique DNA code to ensure the correct person is apprehended later.
DNA pellets used by law enforcement officers tag individuals with the unique selected DNA code from a distance.
On contact with the target, the uniquely coded select a DNA solution leaves a synthetic DNA trace mark that will enable the relevant authorities to confirm or eliminate that person from their involvement.
So in other words, if you're protesting something and I guess you're getting out of control or whatever, they hit you with this and boom, you're DNA tagged like that.
Incredible.
The times we live in.
And I can still hear that poor little three-year-old crying about iOS 7.
Well, all right, this is Dark Matter, not some other show.
So there's a couple of things I want to note here, and that is that it's kind of a different atmosphere.
We have either three or four hours, you know, virtually to do anything we want.
It's amazing how much time we have.
If you deduct the commercial time, which is extremely minimal, from the totality of the three or four hour show, you'll find out you're getting a lot of content.
So it's kind of like we can take our time and do things at a little or a bit of a leisurely pace.
There's something I want you to hear.
And this is, as well, I guess you know, or you may have heard, that Jesse Marcel Jr. has recently a real loss.
But I was able to dig up the voice of Jesse Marcel Sr.
You know, the guy who actually was there at Roswell.
And I thought you'd be interested in a couple of things that he had to say.
And it's certainly worth pondering as tonight we delve into what could be a Nevada Roswell, or may have been a Nevada Roswell.
Listen very carefully.
This is Jesse Marcel Sr. pretty interesting.
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It began in Roswell, New Mexico.
Near White Sands and Alamogordo, Roswell was home base for many early tests of atom bombs and guided missiles.
Here, also, the practice of military stonewalling may have been perpetrated.
The case began when Roswell businessman Dan Wilmot witnessed an amazing object over the town.
His son tells the story.
This was their home in July of 1947.
It was one summer evening they were sitting out here.
Dad looked up in the west and saw an object that came down and had lights blinking.
And it was rather frightening to him, but he said all of a sudden it seemed to rock a little bit and sort of counterbalance itself, wiggle a little bit, and then seemed to settle down and take off at a rapid rate of speed.
The next day, reporters heard that the Air Force had found fragments of the mystery object crashed on a remote ranch northwest of Roswell.
Excitement ran high until officials announced it was only a weather balloon.
Major Jesse Marcel, in charge of the operation, now tells a far different story.
They took pictures, of course.
They had a whole flock of microphones there.
They wanted some comments from me, but I wasn't at liberty to do that.
So all I could do is keep my mouth shut.
And General Ramey is the one who discussed, told the newspapers, I mean the newsmen, what it was and to forget about it.
It was nothing more than a weather observation balloon.
Of course, we both knew differently.
Major Marcel had to keep silent because of his strategic position at that time.
He was in charge of all security and intelligence on atomic tests in the United States and the Pacific.
Marcel retraced his secret recovery operation across the hot New Mexico desert.
We left Roswell perhaps around 3.30 or 4 o'clock this afternoon.
As you can see, it's flat.
It is very difficult.
In fact, with just verbal directions, we never would have found it.
We had to follow the rancher out there.
The crash site was so remote, it took an entire day to drive there.
The following morning, we went out to the site where the crash was.
And what I saw, I couldn't believe there was so much of it.
It was scattered over such a vast area.
So we proceeded to pick up as much of the debris as we could, loaded in a wagon.
We filled that up.
It took us a good part of the day to do that, because there were such small fragments that we had to do a lot of picking.
We found a piece of metal about a foot and a half to two feet wide and about two or three feet long.
Felt like you had nothing in your hands.
It wasn't any thicker than the foil out of a stack of cigarettes.
But the thing about it that got me is that you couldn't even bend it.
You couldn't embed dead it.
Even though the sledgehammer would bounce off of it.
So I knew that I had never seen anything like that before.
And as of now, I don't know what it was.
There is new evidence that the FBI then got into the case with a different cover story.
Lawyer Peter Gerston, searching through declassified government documents, came across a mention of the Roswell case.
One of those documents related to an incident in Roswell, New Mexico, which indicated that the object which had crashed was an experimental kite.
The FBI investigated the incident and determined that it was terrestrial, that it was from an organization which had been doing research in experimental kites.
What did crash in this desert?
A UFO?
A weather balloon?
A radar-reflecting kite?
It was not anything from this Earth that I'm quite sure of.
I was vegan and televised office I was familiar with just about all the materials used in aircraft and in our air travel.
Interesting to be able to hear his words after all these years, huh?
And then one adjoining fact that's pretty interesting.
The Roswell incident occurred on July 7th of 47.
It was only three months later that by order of the National Security Act of 1947, that would be September 19th, 1947, the CIA was created.
What a coincidence, huh?
All right, coming up now, Jeremy Meter.
Jeremy is a Las Vegas, Nevada resident, so he's just over the hill here, who's been interested in the paranormal and ufology since he was very young, so we can probably ask him about the paranormal too.
He's part of a group from southern Nevada called the Bigfoot's Pad Paranormal.
What a name.
He co-founded that in 2003.
Jeremy has appeared on numerous media interviews and TV networks like Sci-Fi, History Channel, International Channel, speaks frequently about ufology and the supernatural.
In the last few years, Jeremy has been working on a case from northern Nevada involving lots of strange UFO activities.
Actually, the Ely area has been full of UFOs even before this happened.
I guess I think it was in 1844, 1864, I was told supposedly a UFO had crashed into farmland out there back then, but I haven't really researched that specific incident that much.
But there's also an area over, it's called Duck Creek.
It's right over the mountain from Ely.
It's probably about a 30 minute, 45 minute drive.
There's been long since been stories of UFOs being reported back there.
There's an area, I guess, with only about 10 or 15 small farms out there.
Well, apparently, there's UFOs, or they call them strange lights.
I just call them UFOs because I'll get into that in a few minutes.
But these lights, I guess they come out of the Duck Creek area where there's no inhabitants.
And these glowing red and purple lights, they come through this canyon and they actually, they ride by these people's houses.
And I guess they light the houses up, whatever color these are glowing.
And they, I guess there's no sound.
They glide, I guess, like six or ten feet off the ground, depending on the specific incident.
And there's an area called Kalamazoo Road in specific where they're seen.
And I haven't seen these lights myself, but I have plenty of stories involving these lights.
And one of the UFO stories involving the actual crash comes from this general area.
I was actually doing another radio program back in 2008, and somebody had come on the lines and asked me a story, because it was actually a ghost show I was doing, and somebody had called and asked if I'd heard about a UFO crash in northern Nevada, and I had never heard of it.
So I went online and I searched it, and I found that basically the only thing you find online is the dates and the location, which is Elys.
And I got intrigued.
I went down to UNLB, which is the big college down here for your listeners that are far away.
I went to the microfilm collection down at UNLB.
And the more I started researching, I was finding things that were very strange or didn't exactly add up.
Like, the crash date didn't make any sense because I found basically nothing from the date that they had listed on the internet.
Well, I started getting really, really sneaky.
And I actually found the original author who posted it in an old magazine called the New Atlantean Journal back in the, I think it was the 70s, 1974 or so.
And they had actually directed me, the author of that magazine directed me towards the original researcher that had found it.
And we got to talking.
And based on his facts, I actually went to the town of Healy and found there are tons of first-hand witnesses, tons of stories, been to the crash sites and all that.
It's interesting.
I mean, I don't really know, have any words to describe how weird the whole situation turned out to be.
Well, this is one of the most amazing parts of the story.
I don't know if you want me to tell it all right now or not, but there were stories of civilians.
They actually found some of these aliens were living.
They got away from the crash site and were wandering around the flatland and right outside of town, actually.
People were reporting some of these aliens were alive walking around.
So there was some bodies that some aliens had died at the crash site, yes, but there was actually some reports of them actually, I always call it escaping, but they were escaped and were actually wandering right outside of town, probably about two or three miles from people's houses.
Yes, I actually did having reports of the alien bodies and then told the Ely Daily Times newspaper had written, they put me in the paper and I told basically a little bit of my story.
And I got probably about between five and ten different callers who didn't know each other who actually told me that they had seen either the dead bodies or the living bodies, or not bodies, but living aliens.
Well, the most detailed account of the alien bodies, there was four or four children.
They were ages, I think, four, six, eight, and ten, like all two years apart.
Two of them were, one was a brother and one was a sister, and the other two were friends, just like they're friends.
They lived at the base of a mountain right outside of town.
I don't know if they want me to give away the exact name of the mountain right away because people are going to go out to the mountain to try to find something.
I'll get into that in a little bit.
Well, this mountain is literally overlooking the town of Ely.
And people live on the base of this mountain.
And there's a big, giant boulder in the center of the mountain.
And I guess all the townspeople back then and nowadays, they go up to this boulder and they, I guess, they hang out.
Some people go up there and drink beer or people go up there and this teenagers hang out and that sort of thing.
Well, these kids were up on this mountain.
Their house at the base of the mountain.
They were deep in this mountain and they were playing.
I don't know what they were playing, but I guess they were just playing around.
And I guess the sister, if I told you, three of them were girls and one was a boy.
The boy is now deceased, but the sister was the original one that contacted.
I was talking to the sister and she had told me that, well, in the middle of them playing, her brother was tearing off.
He took off running very fast past them, didn't say, didn't was, I guess he was like in the hysterics crying and running away and they didn't know what he was running from.
And the next thing I know, I guess the woman said that the other, one of the other girls took off running and passed her from the same direction this boy had been from.
And I guess she said that she had turned around toward this big boulder.
And on the opposite side of this boulder, she said there was something it looked, she said that they called it Thumper the Rubber Man is what they originally called it.
I don't know where that name came from, but it was a robotic-like creature, a robotic being.
She said that it was either metallic-looking, and she said you could see the reflection of the rocks and the trees and this being, I guess, its torso, its whole body.
She said that it had at least one of the arms with a tincer.
I told her like Robbie the robot, and she said, yeah, kind of like Robbie the robot.
But whatever this thing was, she said it was either walking fast or it was running.
But whatever this thing was, it chased all four of these kids off the mountain and they ran into their house.
Whatever this creature was was actually pacing around their house.
But whatever the thing was, I guess they ran into the house and one of the little girls actually fainted and she had to be brought to the hospital eventually sometime throughout the day because she was having problems breathing and was having heart problems because she got so scared at seeing this thing.
And apparently they called the police and the police went out to the house and they never found whatever the thing was.
Well, based on what I've heard so far, I would agree with you.
Yes.
it sounds like a big incident.
When you have creatures, when you have alleged aliens, people scared, the police, hospital involved, it's beginning to get to the point where I'm wondering –
And I did find a YouTube piece, which, by the way, I sent to Keith, and it's up on artbell.com if you want to see it right now.
And indeed, there has been a local investigation.
And when they first looked in the newspaper archives, suspiciously, the day in question's newspaper was missing.
All the rest of them were there, but the day in question was missing.
Now, they did go to, I guess, some microwave backup or something and found a newspaper for that day, but it didn't reference any UFO crash.
Yes, because the actual date is in July, and the internet says that it's, I think it's August 14th or August 12th.
It's actually a month before that.
And so that's why the past investigators that tried to look it up have never found any information because they haven't been looking at the right dates.
Yes, actually, the Nevada newspapers, especially Ely, didn't report any sort of incident.
If you go to Oregon, Idaho, Washington, or Utah, It did make the front page of many newspapers in those states.
Like the government or somebody censored the Ely newspapers and all the ones in those little towns that are around there.
Because I don't know why a Nevada paper, especially the town of Ely, would not report that in their paper, but yet Ogden and Salt Lake City would have it in theirs.
Because if it made front page in Salt Lake City and that's two or three hours away, I'm pretty sure that that would have been front page news in Ely with things.
The actual crash site is outside of the town of Ely.
It's close to a town called McGill and another smaller town called Cherry Creek.
And the alien beings, this is my theory, they probably came through the mountains or the woods.
Because the best way to describe this for you and your listeners is there's flatlands, and at the base, these flatlands go all the way to the base of the mountain.
And that's where the mountain starts.
That's where the forest begins.
And there are two crash sites.
There's a southern one and a northern one.
This is the southern one I'm talking about here.
The southern crash site, these alien beings could have walked through the woods.
It's not very far away.
They could have walked onto this towards the mountain where those kids seen it.
Well, here's a, I'll give you a generalization of the story, and then we'll get deeper into specific parts as we go along.
Well, around 10.30 in the morning on July 7th, 1952, over Ogden, Utah, they had seen some kind of a weird fiery object coming down at a, I guess he said it was 180 degree angle coming towards the ground.
It was struggling to stay in the air.
This was reported as an orange fireball with leaving a blue gaseous looking cloud of smoke behind.
And this object was originally reported in Idaho.
I guess it flew over to Utah and then it went back towards Nevada.
And Ely, Nevada, is kind of in the northern, the northern part of the state towards the top right corner.
Well, at the same time, around the same exact time, there were civilian witnesses that reported a green T-shaped object with a gaseous blue smoke trail behind it coming from the Washington and Oregon area.
So there was a B-17 that was flying around Pillar Air Force Base doing maneuvers, I guess training of some sort.
It doesn't really say, but this B-17 was doing training maneuvers, and the tower told them to go chase after this object.
Well, they were going 300 miles per hour, and they said they came nowhere near this thing.
They flew through that gaseous blue cloud I was telling you about, but they could never catch up to it.
Well, people over in Montello, Nevada, which is in the top right corner, almost in Idaho and Utah, they reported a giant explosion and this thing had came down and actually smashed into the ground outside of the town of Monte.
It's an area called the Dairy Valley.
And nowadays, the small town that was in the Dairy Valley is gone.
Montello is the closest town and only 35 people live there nowadays.
So if you plan on ever, I'll talk about the crash site a little bit, but that crash site's actually like a three-day drive basically.
And then I guess one of the objects had hit the other one and one had came down south and was struggling to stay in the air and it had crashed at a site that's near McGill and Cherry Creek, I was telling you, right by Ely.
So this is where the story gets confusing.
People report that the two crash sites are actually one crash site.
And there's something that happened in the 1970s in the town of Ruth, which is even closer to Ely than the Cherry Creek crash site.
Well, something interesting I forgot to tell you was the Odin newspaper from July 8th, 1952, they actually reported that this fire had burned 600 acres of land.
Wait, I think it was July 8th.
Yeah, July 8th.
They reported that this fire had burned 600 acres from the northern object.
The southern object started a fire, but it wasn't as big.
The fire in the southern object was reported at 11.30 in the morning, and the northern one was reported around 10.30, 10.45.
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So they're pretty close between the amount of witnesses.
Yeah, the military from Hill Air Force Base actually reported that it was at 10.30 in the morning their time is when they had initially seen the thing on fire.
Well, I'll start with the northern crash site started.
The northern crash site, actually volunteer firefighters from the town of Montello came up to the crash site, and I guess they had come up to this object.
And while they were trying to put out this fire, because they didn't know what it was at first, they were trying to put out this fire, and the military told them to leave, and they quarantined off that area.
Well, the southern crash site is a whole different story, because there's railroad tracks and a freeway, Highway 50, I think it is, runs right by where the crash site is.
So there were people driving by and the railroad was driving by with their train cars.
So quite a few people seen the southern crash site, or Highway 93, sorry.
I just remembered that.
But yeah, quite a few people drove past that crash site.
I guess the most interesting story I found came from a train worker.
The Nevada Northern Railway is what the company was called.
They used to run trains coming from Ruth, Nevada, which has one of the biggest copper mine pits in the world.
It's called the Robinson Mine.
It's been open since the 1800s.
But anyways, this train used to bring people to work, used to bring people to school because it was a remote area, especially at that time.
And the people relied heavily on this train.
Well, I think I went to the Nevada Northern Railway Museum back in May, and they actually have records of every train log pretty much since the company started and when it ended.
And the story I'm about to tell you actually found documentation of it at the railway museum, and I'll get to that in a minute.
But anyway, so this man was riding on a train.
I'm not exactly sure if he was an engineer what he was doing on the train.
I never asked him.
But he was riding the rails, and he came across a section of the track the man told me that was torn up like pretzels.
Well, so they managed to stop this train just in the nick of time, I guess.
And I guess he said when they stopped the train, they didn't know what had happened to the rails.
But I guess if they look off to your immediate left, off on the base of this mountain, they had seen where this object, he didn't know what it was at this point in time, but the UFO had come from the sky, crashed into the ground, and skidded into the small brush and small trees at the base of the mountain.
And he told me that the thing was still smoking.
It had just happened.
This was around noon, by the way.
He said 12 or 12.30, so it had just happened recently.
And he said that this object was out into the trees.
And I guess whoever was in charge of the train told them to stay put, not to move.
Well, some ranchers had come from that Duck Creek area with those ranches I was telling you about, and they had gone out of their ranches and they were all climbing on top of this UFO and picking up small pieces off the ground and whatnot.
Again, I'm going back to that YouTube investigation thing.
You know, they looked through Ely and talked to the population of Ely as best they could.
They couldn't find anybody who could relate the kind of stories you're telling.
I mean, my God, if you had climbed on top of a UFO, you, your son, your daughter, your wife, everybody connected with you would have heard that story because you'd be telling it like crazy.
So it took me probably about three or four trips before they opened up to me and started telling me.
Because the first couple of times I went up there, I was told there was no stories available, that no one had seen anything.
But once I started telling them about my grandmother lived up there and I visit there all the time and showed them I was serious about the whole incident, they started opening up to me about all this.
So there were, okay, if there were people actually climbing on a UFO or what was left of it after the crash, then there must have been some descriptions of, I don't know, its shape, its size, its texture, its whatever.
Well, about the people that seen the UFO, I only talked to one woman because most of the people, they have their lips sealed, they won't tell you anything about their names.
Because I guess the men in black and the military was there harassing people to get their names.
So a few people that know their names, they will not tell you.
But anyway, so this man said that there was about between five or ten people climbing on this UFO, and I guess most of them were managed to get away before the military had got there.
But I guess the object, he said it looked, it was silvery, but he said it looked liquidy, like it was wet.
Like whatever the object was, he said it looked like it had water dripping off it or pouring off it.
I don't know exactly what that is, or if it's just moisture from being in the atmosphere or whatever.
But he said that it looked liquidy, and it looked very smooth.
I have never seen it in any other condition other than hard, but I was given the same exact rock from the UFO landing site from the 1970s and from the 1952 southern crash site, the same exact rocks.
And I guess he said after about an hour or two, he said they're sitting in this train.
They had no idea what was going on.
I guess at this point in time.
Well, he said that eventually several military vehicles, he didn't say exactly what kinds of vehicles, but he said that military vehicles of some sort had driven up to the site and they were told, they told everybody to get off of the train, that they were driving them back to Ely.
But he didn't exactly say where they were going to take them in Ely.
So they took them to Ely, to the police station of all places, and he said they were interrogated by these people.
Well, he said they do not know what happened to the train.
There's no records of the train ever arriving in Ely or the town of McGill, which is the next big train station going north.
And north of that is a town called Cobry, and it wasn't ever reported to be there either.
So anyways, I told you we had gone to the Nevada Northern Railway Museum, which is right in the heart of Ely, and we were looking at the old reports from the train conductors and from the engineers and all that.
Well, we had found a report that says that a train was going towards McGill coming from Ely.
And they said that this train, one boxcar was derailed, this is what the report says.
It does say nothing about a UFO, but it does say that 48 feet of track was damaged.
And the museum, I don't call the curator or the head honcho at the museum, Sean Pitts, he was very surprised that this had happened because he told me he had never heard of any tracks being damaged in that sort of length or that.
I guess he's been there for years and years and he's never heard of anything similar to that.
So anyways, the tracks come in 16 sections and that would be what, like three or four sections?
Well, the guy that was on the turn didn't get into detail on what exactly they were questioning him about.
He just told me that he was questioned.
Because the guy started getting kind of scared when I started mentioning that I was going to be up there in a few weeks and I wanted to talk to him.
So the guy got kind of scared.
So anyways, we found documentation at the railroad museum basically saying word for word what this guy had told us on the phone related to the UFO crash.
So anyways, I asked the curator at the museum how, because I didn't know.
I said, how do you move a train?
Like, how do you move a train?
Or what's the process going?
He said that there's two ways.
You can either take a giant crane from another train on the track and move it physically, like pick the whole thing up and move it.
The other way, he said, is that you have to take the train apart into several sections and then transport it that way.
That would be a logical, yeah, that certainly would be a logical place to take it.
All right.
Hold tight.
My guest is Jeremy Meter, and he's got an awful lot of information about a crash that didn't happen.
Except, of course, it sounds like it really did.
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Now, what you're hearing about is very interesting because it really sounds, for all the world, to me, just like a Roswell only here in Nevada and little known.
But obviously, there is some serious amount of evidence to go along with this.
And by the way, on that note, it's my understanding Jeremy is emailing a couple of segments of photographs to my webmaster, Keith Rowland, and we'll get them up for you.
And the pictures also are, some of them are of a, I guess you could call it a base of some sort, a government base that was put in, that was made around the crash site.
In 1955, 65, I think it was, yeah, three years later, the government actually built a, I guess you could call it, they built, it's called Project High Range.
What it was supposedly was to track and monitor the X-15 rocket plane, which is a plane that could take off like a conventional airplane and land on a runway like a normal airplane could.
Well, once the X-15 spy plane, they stopped doing that, they started using these bases to monitor UFOs and UFO tracking activities, supposedly.
Because I guess from workers that worked there in the 70s, they were saying that the government, what they saw in the military was if a UFO had crashed here in the past, maybe they would come back in the future was their way of thinking at the time.
Well, I guess in the past, they thought that if one UFO had been there, there had been another, or there would be another.
They were thinking this because I guess in the past, I don't know if it was Roswell or something, they were getting heavy UFO activity in the area where another UFO had crashed in the past.
I think they were saying it came from, I think Kecksberg was what the guy was saying.
But these radar towers, they built them on three mountains overlooking Ely.
Squaw Peak, ironically, is where the main station was put, where they were seeing those aliens on the mountain, and it's overlooking the crash site of the southern crash site.
Well, we had gone up to one of these sites, the one on Squat Peak.
You can go there now, but I guess it's not recommended that you go up there because they probably don't like that.
And they have the sign that says you could be shot for going up there and things like that.
But I'll send you a picture of that sign, too.
So when you get the emails, you'll see that.
Well, so we went up on this mountain, and it says in a 1978 art newspaper article on microfilm that they had demolished the base, but they had kept a couple trailers up there on top of Squat Peak.
Well, if you go up there nowadays, there are a couple trailers up there.
There are a couple trailers, and it used to be a big, giant radar dish, I guess.
I don't exactly know how big it was.
It was supposed to be one of the biggest ones in the state at the time.
Well, they had this big, big radar dish on top of there.
You can see the stand is still there.
I actually sent you pictures of the base on top of the mountain, too.
So anyway, so we went up to this base on top of this mountain, and there are a couple of trailers still up there now with modern-day radar dishes on top of them.
They're not huge things, but they're still there.
And you can hear the hum of electronics coming from the trailers.
Like they still use it for something.
I don't know what.
But these were supposedly the trailers that these men were working in to track UFOs.
The same exact one.
You could tell the trailers are from the 1950s or 60s, judging by the style of the trailers.
So I have some of those pictures of the trailers in the email I sent to you.
So, anyways, I guess somebody didn't like us going up there to that radar tower up on top of that mountain.
We've had run-ins with the government or men in black at least, I'd say, three different times.
The first time, I'm going to get to the best one for last.
The first time was when I first found out about the Hill Air Force base being involved with the cleanup and the spotting of UFO, I actually, this wasn't a very smart thing to do, but I called Hill Air Force Base and left them emails.
And finally, somebody called me.
And he was a base historian.
He actually called our, I used to have a landline.
They called our old landline.
And I never gave him that number.
So anyway, so he called our phone.
And at the time, I'd like to mention, by the way, I'm in my mid-20s.
At the time, I was only like, I don't know, like through 20 or 21, whatever.
So anyways, a man from Hill Air Force Base had called the house and he was asking me questions about UFOs and things like that, just like common knowledge.
He said he was a base historian at Hill Air Force Base.
He told me that in the 1940s and 1950s, there were a supply and maintenance depot for Nellis Air Force Base and the other ones in the area.
But the Project Blue Book Blue Book, sorry, I've been tongue-tied, they clearly said in Project Blue Book in black and white that Hill Air Force Base picked up the pieces of the UFO and that they were sent out, basically.
It says that they had planes circling the area and things like that.
Well, anyway, so this guy calls me, he's asking me questions.
For some reason, he was asking me questions about my college and things I was doing in college.
I don't know if that's trying to not make it sound weird to me at the time or not.
So anyways, he starts to ask me, okay, well, what specifically do you want to know about?
And I actually got, I guess you call it, nerves of steel.
And I asked him, okay, well, I'm doing a case involving a crash.
He goes, what kind of crash?
And I go, a strange one.
And you could tell the guy, you could tell he was smiling on the other side of the line.
He kind of chuckled and he was like, well, what kind of strange crashes?
And I said, one that happened near Ealy, Nevada in 1952.
And the guy goes, those types of crashes are classified.
But if you want to know about it, you could come down to the base and we will talk to you about it.
And knowing, I didn't go down to the base.
I didn't want to know what was going to happen if I went down to the base.
So whether they were going to do something or not.
I kind of just answered their questions because Millet Air Force Base is right down the road, and I'd rather them not come to the house in person and ask me.
Well, on the last time we went to Ely, which was back in May, me and my best friend were, we went, this is one of the first times we went to the crash site.
We had got these rocks and we were out cruising around.
Well, we were actually filming videos that we were going to put on a short documentary we're planning on making.
And on my best friend's camera, you could see that there's the blacked out vans are in the background with the people sitting.
And they didn't get out of the vans, but they showed up at several of our filming locations.
And this area is very remote.
Ely is the biggest town for 200 miles in any direction.
So what are the chances they would follow us to small towns?
And I'd like to tell you, most of these towns are like an hour or two apart.
So it's pretty long distance for these people to be showing up.
That was concerning, but that's not the weirdest one.
I guess it was back around 2011.
Me and my best friend and my brother were actually going to get ready to take one of our trips to Ely.
And we were going to interview a lady that lived in Ely.
I guess she had seen something like the craft being transported through town or something.
So anyways, the woman called me on a Thursday or a Friday.
We were supposed to leave on a Saturday.
And the woman says, oh, I'd like to thank Jeremy and Nick, which is me and my best friend.
I'd like to thank you guys for coming and doing an interview today.
Your paranormal group is very professional.
And she starts describing this interview.
And I told her, I was like, oh, well, that's interesting and all, but we didn't go up there.
We're still in Las Vegas.
And she swore up and down that me and my best friend came to her house.
Well, she described it as two men in black suits got out of a blacked out van, and they knew all about like where I went to college, my friend Nick's life in Ohio before I moved to Las Vegas.
And I guess we're having small talk about our lives and their facts were right on.
I don't know who these people are, but she described them basically as your typical men in black impression.
They're like what you would think of the men in black.
And I guess they conducted some sort of interview and the lady got so scared when I said that it wasn't us that she never talked to us again.
So I have no idea what that was, but I guess nobody else that we've wanted to interview has had people like that show up.
But we have talked to people that have seen the men in black come to their house and threaten them within the last few years, too.
He's actually on that video that you have on your on your website.
Right.
He was talking to the Channel 8 News in Reno.
I think that video was from 07 or 06.
He was telling his story about what he had seen or what he thinks he remembered.
Well, I was told by a couple of the locals to go call him because I guess him and his brother were young at the time, but they had seen something.
I called him, I called Mr. House, and he told me, oh, I'll be glad to do an interview with you.
And I said, okay, it's a paranormal interview is what I described it as.
And he was like, okay, let's do the interview.
So I called him on the phone to try to get like a pre-screening before I actually drove up to where he lives.
And this man, he was like, okay, well, what do you want to ask me?
And I told him, okay, well, we're going to be doing a story on UFOs and this and that.
And all of a sudden I told him, okay, well, tell me about the Eli UFO crash and what you know.
This man, he did a 360.
He went from calm, calm to hysterics.
This man started blubbering and crying.
I call it crying.
It sounded like he was crying.
He got very concerned.
He told me, word for word, he said, they told me not to talk about it.
They told me that I'm in danger if I tell you this.
And he kept saying they, they, they, I don't know who they is, but he said they came to his house and they are monitoring him in his phone calls, I guess.
I've talked to several people that had that, that seen that 1970s thing I was telling you about, and several of those people said that in the 1970s that the men in black were in town knocking on people's doors.
I guess he called them MPs.
Some people have started as military police.
Some people call them men in black.
But I guess he said that they had their handguns on their side.
That's clearly what one of the women said.
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That they had handguns on their side and they're going door to door in that town of Ruth.
Well, so the men in black were in, they're still interested in it, or the military is still interested, because back, I guess, as soon as the last five or six years, they were talking to some of the people that went to the media or were online talking about it.
I talked to Ed Pierce, the guy that made that video, the news anchor.
He said he hadn't seen anything weird or had anybody come up to him.
So I don't know if it's just certain people or whatnot.
But somebody was impersonating me, my best friend.
I haven't brought it to a laboratory because they want a lot of money to, they want a thousand of dollars, I was told, by some of the geologists that work for it.
It's called the Robinson Mine, which is that big copper mine I was telling you about.
I guess they employ 500 employees in the Ely area, and a lot of them are geologists.
We talked to three geologists from the mine.
They gave the same kind of testing they do on the rocks at the mine.
They were scratching it with knives, looking at the color, holding it up to different types of charts and things.
They said that the closest thing that it's related to is hematite, but I guess they said that it's not exactly like hematite, but that's what it's similar to.
That's one rock sample.
The other one that I don't have in my possession, I was shown twice.
Well, this sample, it was yellow, almost like a bumblebee color, like what you would picture a bumblebee, like yellow.
It was a bright yellow color, but it was hollow in the center.
It felt like it was hollow or like a honeycomb type of texture.
And if you tapped it on the desk, you could feel that it wasn't simple and hollow.
Well, the townspeople, the two people that showed us the samples wouldn't tell us where they got this from.
But we also talked to those geologists and showed them pictures of this sample.
And I also sent you pictures of it too, but nobody could tell us exactly what that is.
We talked to a man that worked at the smelters in the town of McGill, which is near the next town up from Ely going north.
And he said that he dealt with sulfur for years and years working at the smelters.
And he said that he didn't think that it was sulfur.
Well, generally, Jeremy, I've found that if you have a sample of something that is really anomalous, I can guarantee you that somebody will come along, Linda Moltenhow or somebody at that level Who is interested in real science, And if they find that it's anomalous, they will get it to the right labs, I can promise you.
My guest is Jeremy Meter from Las Vegas, and he has been investigating a alleged crash in Ely, Nevada, back in 1952, July 7th of 1952.
Now, thus far we're talking about witnesses who have seen what?
Aliens with pincers.
There were possibly as many as 16 bodies.
He has had a men in black sort of experience on the phone, I would say, more than in person.
He has interviewed people who actually saw other people.
And some of this is pretty important eyewitness stuff, actually crawling on a UFO, crawling on a UFO.
It destroyed some train tracks, turned them into virtual pretzels, he said.
It's coming out in sort of starts and stops and spurts, the story, that is.
But when you consider the totality of the story and you consider that there's actual physical evidence to be examined, as well as a crash site, it adds up to quite a story.
Now, it is coming out sort of in somewhat disjointed pieces, and some of that may be my fault for asking early questions or questions that should be asked later, early, however you want to look at it.
I don't know.
Jeremy, welcome back.
Now, the totality of your story is significant, and it seems to me that it's so significant that MUFON or some other very large organization should move in based on just what you've found and the witnesses you've talked to and conduct a real downtown investigation.
Has anybody, I mean, in a real investigation, for example, Jeremy, you would bring an artist or some sort of artist to a witness, and you would say, look, what did this creature look like?
And you would attempt to do an artist's drawing.
You would do, you know, the normal stuff that investigators do.
Has there been any representation to you like that?
Every time I usually ask if I could have them draw a sketch or if I could have them talk on camera, most of the time, I don't have any sketches, by the way, but most of the time they're afraid that somebody's going to contact them.
I don't know, most of the time they don't want to have their story out to the public a lot of the time.
I pretty much eat, sleep, and breathe, eating, for the most part.
Yes.
What else are I going to say?
I found the story to be really interesting.
I'm kind of surprised that nobody else has really found anything like nearly what I found.
I don't know exactly why very many people haven't tried to find it or if they just looked for that one specific timeframe in August or what the deal is.
Well, 1952 is a long time ago in one way, and not very long in another way.
As I mentioned, you know, if people have seen creatures, people have seen, have been climbing on a UFO, these are things that would be passed down through generations.
And there'd be a story, let me just sit on my knee here and I'm going to tell you about the time I climbed on a UFO, that kind of thing.
So those stories really are going to be around.
Now, you've heard some of them, but holy mackerel, this is a pretty big deal.
And Jeremy, did the military, when they did come in, did they cordon off the area?
Well, I know they picked up the craft with a giant crane and they hauled out the craft.
He said that I guess they weren't allowed to go back to work on the railroad for, I don't know how long.
He didn't really say.
He said they weren't allowed to go back to work for a while.
So I guess they stopped the train going through.
Claude House, the man that got scared when we asked him about UFOs, and his story that he actually told Ed Pierce of the Reno News, he said that the actual freeway was cordoned off.
So from judging by that, I never heard anybody else say that the freeway was cordoned off.
I don't see why it wouldn't be, but I guess apparently they kept the people out of the area, at least on the railroads.
And judging by Claude's story, apparently they closed down the highway, too.
Oh, well, Mount Podicy has, I guess there's a lot of UFO stories coming from Mount Podicy.
I actually had a weird experience.
What got me involved in ufology was when I was about 11 years old, I was in Scouts.
And we went on this night hike in Mount Podicy.
Get there to the Boy Scout camp up there.
It's closed to the public.
But we were on this night hike in the woods and we went around this corner and on this straightaway, I guess off to our left, ironically, like off to our left, there was some kind of an object that was sitting on the ground.
It looked like the end of a boat, like a point, but it was coming off of an egg-shaped craft.
It was sitting on three stilt-looking legs.
And me, my mom, and three other scouts and their moms actually walked past this craft.
I didn't think nothing of it at the time until the next morning when we came back and the thing was gone, but you could see three indentations in the ground where this thing was sitting.
I firmly believe that it was a UFO.
I mean, you could argue that it wasn't, but I think that it was personally, and that's what got me interested in ufology.
Well, searching through the archives and the old newspapers, we came across on July 10th, I think it was the Oregon newspaper or the Elko, Nevada newspaper.
One of the two, it says that, this is a casual article, mind you, out of the middle of nowhere, they say, oh, well, the aliens that were brought to the Ely police station were shape chimps.
No need to worry.
It was about like a one paragraph long message.
It didn't have any pictures.
It didn't say anything else.
All of what it said was, the aliens that were brought to the police station were chimps.
No need to worry.
So apparently the military or the police or somebody rounded up some of those living aliens I was telling you about and brought them down to the police station.
But that's the, I thought that was weird because It was dated July 10th, which is three days after the actual crash happened.
Jeremy, is there anything else about this story from the Men in Black encounter to the actual material evidence you have to the eyewitness reports that you have not told me about yet?
Anything really important that we need to get on the air?
Well, I talked to the Meteorology Society in Nevada for that day, and they said that there was clear skies and it wasn't the meteor because some people say that the blue gas behind it had it could have been a meteor.
Well, they said that this couldn't have been a meteor because it was doing twists and turns and it was being sighted for a while.
And I guess the one to the north, like I said, started a forest fire.
And the meteorologist, the meteor, sorry, it's getting tongue-tied here.
The society was saying that when meteors crash to the ground, they're cold to the touch, like you could pick them up.
Well, something else I'd like to mention is civilians and Project's Blue Book both say that there was B-36 bombers flying low over the crash sites like Simblek right after they happened, I guess.
The one to the north sooner than the one to the south.
But I guess there were these B-36s flying around, circling the area.
That's something else that I found was pretty interesting.
Okay, we're having trouble with our connection now.
You still there?
No.
We've lost Jeremy again.
So sorry about that, Jeremy.
I think we're going to call it at this point, and we're going to go to unscreened Open lines.
So go ahead and back there in Washington, open up the lines, and we'll give out the number and we'll just go to unscreened open lines.
Now, obviously, we just had a youngster on the air and a very enthusiastic youngster on the air.
He's been looking at this for some time.
I think probably he's on to something.
I don't know what.
I do know that the physical evidence should be examined.
There should be people who would go and speak to the witnesses and get some sort of description of what the creatures looked like.
There would need to be a very great deal of follow-up to all of this for us to get it right.
So I'm going to open up the lines right now, and we're just going to take some open-line calls, and you can talk about anything you want to talk about.
If you want to comment on what Jeremy said, you're welcome to do it.
Now, I will specify right at the top here that Jeremy didn't quite have it together in the sense that he kind of, I don't know, jumped around a little bit in the story, which made it difficult to understand on top of the bad line, but there's something here.
Obviously, there's something here.
So, if you'd like to call us, if you'd like to get on the air, remember, if you want to wish me well, wish me back, it's Roswell's, please.
I just sent you a message via the wormhole explaining, trying to tell you about an episode that happened in the late 50s.
There were three of us, Mary Jane Robinson, her mother, Dorothy Robinson, and myself, in rural Pennsylvania, Shippensburg.
And we went shopping at a mall.
Mary was getting ready to go to nursing school, and she was buying a few things.
And the stores closed at 10, and we were coming back to Shippensburg, and Mary hated driving on the Interstate 81, so we always took the rural back roads.
And it was a perfectly clear night, a million stars visible, and some moonlight.
And it was just, you know, a lovely drive.
And out of nowhere, there were these lights that came up behind us.
And Mary thought somebody wanted to pass, and she put her arm up out and, you know, and said, pass, pass, and she slowed down, and they didn't pass.
But they were close, and it was annoying her.
So she stopped the car, and she said, I want to find out what's going on.
And her mother said, Mary, don't get out of this car.
Sounded just like a scene out of Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
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No, no, it wasn't.
No, I don't think it was.
But at any rate, I got out of the car as well.
And I'm like, I guess Mary was 18, and I was 14.
So I got out of the car also.
And so I was on the passenger side of the car.
Mary was on the driver's side of the car.
And she walked to the rear of the car, and I was already pretty much there.
And there was this object, and there was no lights at this time.
When we stopped and got out of the car, the lights were gone.
And you couldn't even see where there had been headlights or anything.
It was perfectly smooth.
And I'll tell you what triggered this the other night, last night when you had the guy on who said that the object that he saw that was black was like a, what did he describe it as?
A, shoot.
But at any rate, it wasn't square.
It wasn't oblong or like a hot dog or anything like that.
But it sort of had a rise in the center from the top as though it rose.
The bottom appeared to be flat, and the sides were curved but very smooth.
Well, it obviously then affected you in some manner and may have set that off.
I don't know.
That's fascinating.
There you have a first-hand account of what I would call a close encounter of a third kind.
Right?
When you're that close, when you can put your hand on a craft and when you can wave to the whatever they are in there, I would say that's a close encounter of the third kind or whatever.
It's just, we see all kinds of strange stuff out here at night working the water, and we've tried to videotape it, and we can never get it to show up on the tape.
One thing about all these different crafts, and there's a lot of different descriptions, but if these aliens can come across hundreds of thousands of light years, couldn't they have the technology to navigate to our atmosphere?
Three of them, you will be unhappy to hear, failed.
That's right.
Three of them failed.
Only one tiny thing stood between, well, what happened, harmlessly falling to the ground, and hydrogen bombs, a couple hundred times more powerful than those that hit Hiroshima from going off.
Do you know what that thing was?
A little tiny safety switch.
I think just a few volts.
If the low voltage switch had gone, and that means just a few volts drop or a few volts added, either way, the hydrogen bomb would have gone off.
And North Carolina would have basically disappeared, along with Maryland, Washington, South Carolina, probably Georgia.
In other words, a very great deal of our East Coast would have gone up.
You hesitate to say in smoke, but up in smoke.
And that would have been it.
And we're just now told about it back in 1961.
Can you imagine that?
Okay, let's go here and say, Dark Matter, you're on the air.
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Hello.
Hello.
Yeah.
Hello.
Hi.
How are you?
Good show tonight.
Thank you.
I used to, when I was a kid, I was pretty skeptical about this kind of stuff.
You know, UFO's hat.
Ain't no such thing.
But one summer night when I was 18, right out of high school, my old friend and I, we were doing what teenagers do.
Another thing that I would like to complain about or make note of, and that is that, you know, with social media now, everybody's on Facebook, right?
Everybody's twitting about Twitter, all of these different, or on the computer.
And when you're on the computer, when you're on Facebook, when you're doing the social media thing, you're not looking up.
And that's one of the main reasons that people don't see UFOs.
Take our sky here in Nevada.
Very clear.
On any given night, you can see the Milky Way from one horizon all the way to the other horizon.
It's that clear.
Millions of stars.
And if you sit outside and spend a little less time on Facebook or your computer or whatever you're doing and actually look up, you're going to see something.
Now, it may not be as dramatic as some of what you've heard about here, but you're going to see something.
You'll just have to wait for a while.
It may turn out to be a satellite.
It may turn out to be an airplane.
It may turn out to be something strange.
And you may see a UFO.
But one thing's for sure, if you're on Facebook, you're not going to see it.
Yeah, so basically, basically me, my girlfriend, and a couple of other friends to, we went out to the cemetery called Ross Cemetery in McKinney, Texas.
So the crazy thing about it is usually I am a skeptic, but at the same time, I can be a believer at the same time, but only if truth is right there presented in front of me.
Something that's undisputable.
And I can definitely tell you tonight that I actually have definitive proof of an EVP that I actually, that one of my friends actually captured.
We will do a show on EVP, Electronic Voice Phenomena.
And this man went to a graveyard, and apparently somebody had a recorder going on a phone and captured what you're about to hear.
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All right, here it is.
Right here.
Let me just go ahead and skip over to the last minute because it's a 3 minute and 39 second EVP, but let me go ahead and skip over to the last minute of it because you can definitely hear it.
Look for something that says something whispering, come out and play.
I'm glad you did, too, and I'm glad you played it for us.
Probably would have been better, you know, of course, directly coming over, but I could hear it.
EVP has a long, rich history.
I have some friends that we're going to have on the show.
They have some family difficulty right now, but they're going to come on the show, and they've been playing EVP for years for me.
And all it requires is a recorder.
I guess you can use your phone.
It doesn't matter if it's digital or if it's tape.
And what you do is take it with you to, if you have the cojones for it, into a graveyard or a haunted place, and you let it run.
And if you're lucky, I mean, that's what you want, and you're lucky, you will hear a voice telling you something.
Now, I don't know where this comes from.
What I do know is that it goes all the way back to Alexander Graham Bell.
He was investigating this.
He had voices that appeared on his recording mechanisms.
And frankly, they're very, very scary sometimes.
So if you want to play around with this kind of thing, it's better than a Ouija board and more fun to play with.
You just start a recording going in a place that you think might be haunted and see what you get.
Dark Matter, you're on the air.
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Hi.
Yeah, hey, Art.
How you doing?
Okay, sir.
I got a quick story.
I was in California, and I was basically babysitting my mom's apartment.
She had taken a week vacation to Las Vegas, and I was laying on the couch watching TV, and she had a big mirror on the mantle above the fireplace.
And I had the sliding glass door shut.
You know, there was no wind.
And the mirror flew off about three or four feet.
And it shattered.
And it shattered with the mirror facing up.
And it scared the heck out of me.
And I called my mom in Vegas and I said, hey, you know, the mirror just fell off.
And she had gotten woken up, you know, basically at the same time hearing Footsteps walking across, you know, by her bed, you know, so it was a weird you know thing at the same time because I called her 30 seconds after the mirror had crashed, you know, and I figure if you know if there was any wind, the the mirror would have just went straight down off the bottom.
You know, I wonder what it is about a mirror that lends itself to paranormal occurrences.
That's a very interesting question, actually.
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Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure.
And I've stayed at her house before, and like, and it's just a small one-bedroom apartment, you know.
And in the hallway between her room to the bathroom, I've seen, you know, dark figures like, you know, shoot across the little entrance to get into the hallway, the little doorway.
So I don't know what it was, but it's weird that that crashed.
And I called her, and she got woken up by footsteps walking by her bed, and there was nobody there.
You know, so it was kind of, it scared me, you know, so I couldn't go to sleep.
And as I was being shoved through the floor from the pressure of the trailer exploding, this black figure appeared beside me, picked me literally off the floor, said, it is not your time to die, and threw me through the wall.
Wow.
I think and believe that shadow people are here to be our guardians.
Things had me pulling me out my bed, had me walk around touching four corners of my bed.
I couldn't stop.
Things used to like open my doors.
I'm walking through my house in the middle of the night.
Like a force had me going down the steps all the way through the living room, the dining room, down into the dark, you know, of the basement.
I'm seeing white things flying around me and all this stuff.
In the back of the basement, it's like a red light.
We never had a red light in the back of the basement.
It was always a green light.
And it was a furnace be back there and the furnace would like breathe.
And it was like a force that had me coming to the, it's like I snap out of it and I'll run, start running up the steps.
And it's like something would like be grabbing me and pulling me back down the steps.
And somehow, some way I used to run upstairs and make it back into my room.
And I used to always tell my mom this stuff.
And my mother would never believe me.
But she knew something was going on with me.
And she didn't like the fact I used to tell my aunts and my uncles and them.
And they used to joke at me and laugh and say I was crazy and stuff.
So one day we had an incident where my little cousin and his mother came over our house and me and my cousin in the hallway paying with this orange basketball.
And he passed the ball to me.
The ball bounced off and he put down the first flight of steps.
Then went down the other flight of steps.
Now we argue about who's going to go down there and get the ball.
And I knew that strange things is going on in the house.
So we both went down to the first fight of steps.
We turned around and there's like this guy, I call him Mr. Hyde, like the Dr. Jack with Mr. Hyde.
And he was dressed up in all black, in the all black and white suit with this white, with the black hat with the little white thing going around.
And he was holding the basketball in his hand.
And he had the other hand, and he had the other hand, which is like, and it was like telling me to come in, come in.
Whenever I was about 2001, I'm trying to call art forever since then.
But anyway, my wife and my kids kept telling me they were seeing something go back and forth across the hallway in the back of our double wide there from one room to the other.
I always thought they was nuts.
But I never, never saw anything.
But I would sit in the living room chair one day by myself and my chihuahua.
He jumps out of my lap, runs down the hallway, just barking with his hair raised up.
I still don't see anything down there.
But I did see a light under the door.
But my wife swears to God, she called me when I was on the road one night and says that she saw the glowing feet go from one room to the other.
So I went back here with my children and they have covered their mirrors up in all their rooms because they're all so convinced that that's where they were coming from.
There's something that has to do with paranormal in mirrors.
I don't know what it is.
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I don't either.
You know, the gal I talked to, a paranormal specialist, she said that, you know, she said basically the same thing.
She says, I can't quite describe it, but she says, I believe that they use some sort of like a portal for it, you know.
And my wife and I are, you know, this just happened roughly, I would say, three weeks ago.
And we've just kind of been tossing around because she's like, I'd really like to come over to your house and do some, you know, EVPs and stuff like that, you know.
And my wife's just kind of like, I just particularly don't think I want people in my house overnight.
But I was like, I think it'd be cool just to find out.
Yeah, I've been listening to your show for a long time, and you talk about subjects about things that go bump in the night and all sorts of weird manner of people and things.
And I was just wondering if you had heard about these people who dress up in animal costumes and run around the place called furries.
I was responsible for all the electronic systems that went from California to Utah, including that radar site that was on top that mountain looking down into Ruth.
No, I worked for the military, for the Air Force at Edwards Air Force Base.
And so for 20 years, I had to go up there at least six times a year and spend a week or two up there because I had 19 sites, microwave sites, including that radar site from Utah back to Edwards and across Area 51.
I had one that looked right down over Area 51.
I used to go up there, and after the helicopters let me through, after I finished my work that I had to do, I was going to go through.
Oh, yeah, I've seen the stealth fighters, the stealth bombers.
I've seen all that.
But that doesn't help you out as far as the crash goes.
I'm sorry.
I've never seen anything about that.
I hope there's something there.
And I used to have to drive right up to Cherry Creek.
And there is no big towns up there.
It's just one or two buildings.
There might be some people in them here and there.
The railroad is still there.
That railroad is used to haul the ore from the Ruth Mine, which was the largest open copper pit mine, up to McGill, which was the processing plant for processing ore into gold and silver.
In other words, if you really do frequent the area and know people up there, then by all means to say, hey, listen, I wonder if you know anybody who knows about a crash, a UFO crash that was said to have occurred here back in 1952.
In other words, don't come at it kind of like you're an MIB or something.
So yeah, that's pretty much the main reason why people use mirrors is and why the paranormal is attracted to them is it allows you to see the other side as a portal.
Me personally, I've seen a few paranormal experiences, mostly friendly ghosts, I hope.
I usually keep a lot of my mirrors covered in my house because of that reason.
Because I've also, yeah, because I'm also attuned to the supernatural, so I get senses, I get feelings, I see glimpses like they're trying to talk to me because it's been one of my family traits for a while.
The only thing I want to see in a mirror is myself, and I'm not wild about that.
unidentified
Yeah, if you're not open to it, or you tell them they're not welcome, usually they don't come to the mirror, but you have to reinforce that they only come when you want them to.
In other words, mirror mirror on the wall, don't show me anybody else at all.
unidentified
You could do it that way.
Usually when I'm dealing with them, I just tell them in a firm voice, please leave, not right now, and usually I don't have to worry about them after that.
In the 1980s, Russian scientists in Siberia were performing a series of borehole experiments.
These digs were typically performed for purposes of geotechnical investigation and the location of rare mineral deposits.
But in this case, the geologists in Russia simply wanted to see how deep they could go.
This is a true incident, or at least a reported incident, was in the wire service.
Their experiment began without incident, but when their drill reached the nine-mile mark, that would be deeper than anyone had ever drilled before, its rotation became erratic.
They had apparently drilled into a hollow opening underground.
Inside the cavern, temperature sensors read upwards of 2,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
It was then they decided to send a microphone down to gather more data.
The microphone only lasted about 30 seconds in the heat of the cavern before malfunctioning.
But in those 30 seconds, the scientists caught something incredible on tape.
Well, I remember it very clearly, but I'd always wondered if hell was maybe more trans-dimension-dimensional than something that was just in the middle of the earth.
My mom and dad, when I was a young boy, they were involved in playing around with people that messed around with white witchcraft and witch boards and tarot and such.
My mom has a copy on, I know you remember the old reel to reel.
From witchcraft and dabbling, as he put it, to Catholicism.
You know, as unlikely a road as that sounds like, I get it.
In other words, if you dabble enough and you get into dark areas to the degree that you become a believer in things dark and things, dare I say it, evil, then I would think at some point in your life you would turn from that to what you would think would save you.
Does that make sense?
Certainly does to me.
Prove one and you've proven the other, kind of like Richard's white bird.
Thank you very much, and I'll briefly tell you the story.
I was working for KENI Radio up in Anchorage, and the radio station folks convinced me that it'd be a cool idea to promote the radio station by having me,
who did their morning show, go off into the wilderness in Alaska, kind of into the wilderness as far as I was concerned anyway, down near Palmer, Alaska, and hang glide.
And for that purpose, they had found the owner of a hang gliding company.
Right?
And he came along.
For my safety.
And we were supposed to run along with this hang glider off a small cliff or hill, I guess would be more like it.
Well, I didn't realize he was involved that much with Roswell.
When I met with him, he was really stuck on talking about some of Michael Calbeau's theories about the holographic universe.
And I didn't even really have the chance to visit with him much about some of his research with the Phoenix lights and with other UFO cases because he was really devout in trying to spread the message that we're on a big matrix and that matrix is breaking down.
I heard that over the airline the last couple of days.
And I think that the answers are definitely out there.
I went down to Sedona for an Indigo children gathering here on 11-11 of 2011.
And that's when I got to meet Peter.
And the whole week that I was down there, I got to see a lot of things around all the different portals and everything else there that would really indicate that something's breaking down.
So there's more than meets the eye here.
We're definitely crossing over to a different dimension.
That's kind of what I feel that the whole 2012 movement was, was us moving into that new paradigm where we can see new things like that.
I've always frankly thought, I know they have trucker shows and stuff like that, but I've always thought that we had more listeners in trucks than the trucker shows had.
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I have no doubt about that.
Your show is very entertaining.
It gives food for thought on all sorts of subjects that you don't consider every day.
And I really appreciate you doing this.
It's really entertaining, keeps me awake, and I really enjoy it.
As far as what you were talking about earlier about whether or not I thought there was a matrix or something, I don't feel like that.
I have had one experience in my life that I know to be true.
I used to, I guess I could entertain the thought of being different dimensions or possibility of spirits or demons or something like that.
Well, what happened to me was when I was a kid, I used to go to bed at night and I would dream.
And the next day, everything I dreamed would come true.
And yeah, it was really wild because I was a kid and it was scary to me.
I wasn't old enough to appreciate it, I guess.
It scared me more than anything.
And I did notice, however, that if I saw an event, it would just be certain events, and a lot of them were meaningless, you know.
But if I recognized an event about to happen that I had dreamed of the night before, and I did something different than what was in my dream, then the entire rest of the day was absolutely new to me, and I didn't know what was going to happen.
So you were able to actually have a dream every night, and then the next day recognize that dream, and you could either go along with it or change something.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah.
How cool is that?
Well, it was scary to me, but I even proved it one time to my parents.
I got up that morning and my father was religious about watching the morning news.
And I got up early that morning and was telling them about somebody had died and they were bringing his coffin off the plane and it had the American flag on it.
And I don't even remember who it was that died.
It was a senator or something.
And they, you know, as they were watching the news, here it come on, and they started showing them all the events that I had just told them about.
And I remember them looking at each other and just, you know, like, what are we thinking?
Probably saying something like, is that really our seed?
Yeah, they're like, I mean, they didn't know what to say to me.
Can you imagine having a dream every single night and having it come true the next day religiously?
And or, as he pointed out, this was a real trick part of it, I thought, being able to recognize that you're in the middle of that dream and then changing something that then changed the rest of the day.
Now, what does that say about time?
I'm going to be thinking about this one for a while.
That is really, really cool.
Dark Matter has you on the air.
unidentified
Hello.
Oh, that's wonderful.
Let me take out my gum.
I almost swallowed it there.
So excited.
My heart's beating like a zebra tap dancing on jello.
It's not a UFO story, but it's an absolutely true story that happened about 22 years ago.
Back in the late 50s, early 60s, I was a youngster back east, and I had a great-great-aunt who I spent a lot of time with.
We were very close.
And then about the mid-60s, when I was about 10, she and my parents had a falling out, and I wasn't allowed to see her anymore.
And then about 10 years after that, she died, but I didn't go to the funeral.
And then about 22 years Ago, I was visiting my hometown, and I said, I wonder if I went to the cemetery, if I could find my great-great-aunt's grave.
So I had been there as a child, maybe when I was six or seven, and I barely remembered how to get to the place.
I drove and I ended up on a side street, but it was next to the cemetery, so it was a nice day.
I got out of the car, walked along the edge of the property where there was a little stone wall, and then I got to a break in the wall, and there was a pathway that I guess the digging equipment and groundskeepers used that for access.
So I said, well, I'll just go in here, because it was a very large cemetery, thousands of graves.
So I walked down this service path for about 20 feet, and then I stop, and I look to my right, and like four or five headstones down that row is my great-great-aunt's grave.
Well, and see, that's not the only experience of a psychic, I guess, nature that I've had.
In the mid-80s, I studied with a psychic, and then the very first day of class, there were about a dozen people in the class, none of whom I met I had ever known before.
And the first exercise that we did was to hold an object owned by somebody else.
Okay, I held this woman's ring, I guess it was, or a bracelet, and picked up vibes or impressions of her home about a half a dozen things.
Because I would have to actually screen the calls to some degree myself to get somebody who's got a really outrageous story and let them tell it, and then kind of have a panel of three or four people to judge whether it's truth or trash.
And then have the person come back and tell the panel if they're right or wrong.
Two things I have to tell you, and one is a complaint.
The first thing is, as a young kid, we were throwing snowballs at cars, and it was in the middle of the night, we saw a big, huge orange fireball going across the sky.
But the second incident that we saw in that matter was right after 9-11, it was the week, more or less the week going into the week after.
We were driving up Newburgh, New York.
We're 18-wheeler drivers, and we were doing dropping hooks, turning around, coming back.
Well, you know, that's Newburgh Airport's up there, and they have the Army base or whatever.
We saw three lights in the sky right against Interstate 84 with a dome light, you know, like a reddish dome light in the middle.
The guy was me.
He's a guy-hard Jehovah's Witness.
And we both looked at it.
We pulled over off the road, down the road, because we were a little nervous.
This thing did not go up and down left or right.
It went straight.
It didn't, no hover or nothing.
I mean, we were underneath it, didn't see nothing.
But a little bit ago, my cousin was going down the other direction because we all had to come down in the PA.
He saw the same identical thing, but we had to get out away from the cell phone, you know, the towered or bad between the mountains, cutting the other side in the Pennsylvania.
He calls me and said, he won't believe what I saw.
And he saw me hooked on you.
I give him the reason why I'm loving that you're back.
Well, he saw the identical thing down in Pennsylvania up Interstate 780.
I used to eat strawberries in the strawberry field under the high tension lines coming up out of the plant.
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Half-million little telescopes.
Fantastic strawberries there.
But we had a spyglass.
And so we started looking at it through the spyglass.
It raised up.
It went across the bay over to Moss Landing because we were in Capitola at that point.
So, you know, there's a few miles between those.
And it hovered in front of the Moss Landing plant for about 30 minutes.
And we were looking at it through the spyglass, all three of us.
I called the cops.
They said, you're seeing a fishing boat.
Like, fishing boats don't float in the air, and they're not green.
And when we looked at it through the spyglass, we actually saw that the green light was actually a combination of elliptoid lights that were green, amber, and green.
And then the weirdest thing that two of us saw, my husband didn't see it, but the other person we were with saw it, was it looked like there was some kind of a mechanical arm that came across that was going out of whatever it was, a craft, I'm assuming, and taking something from the power plant.
Then for 30 minutes, it sat there doing this, and we finally had to leave because we had to get home, because we live in Santa Cruz.
And I kept watching it out the back seat of the car or out the back window, and it winked out and disappeared.