Dr. Jonathan Reed recounts his 1996 Seattle encounter with a dark, child-sized entity—later dubbed "Freddy"—that violently reacted to his dog Susie, leaving her as ash-like residue, while Reed suffered radiation-like symptoms and documented the event with pre-digital film. Authorities dismissed his claims, but MUFON intercepted evidence before vanishing, and NASA’s "healing fabric" mirrors Freddy’s self-repairing suit. Reed’s 46-chromosome creature, linked to Orion/Andromeda origins, allegedly revived telepathically, escaping after his home was ransacked. He describes interdimensional beings as Earth’s caretakers, urging humanity to embrace harmony and collective energy to evolve beyond current crises. [Automatically generated summary]
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He came from somewhere back in a long ago.
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Internationally known contactee, experiencer, author, and lecturer Dr. Jonathan Reed, whose stated articles have appeared both on international and domestic television, radio, and internet programs, such as Infinito, I hope it is, channel, the Discovery Channel, MX Costa Rica, Peru, Dreamland, Tel Obisa, and the BBC, speaking in South and Latin America, Europe and Russia.
And he's done some touring since the show, huh?
Along with speaking many times with me.
He put renowned radio talks on his darbell, me, as well as many others in countries all around the world.
His story of personal alien contact is truly one of the most widely speculated, one of the most controversial, and most debated and compelling cases of our time, having some of the best evidence ever collected relating to the reality of alien or extraterrestrial intelligent life forms interacting with humankind, all of us.
His case has also been featured in varied E.T. articles, television programs, literature, numerous publications around the world, ladies and gentlemen.
Dr. Jonathan Reed, great to hear your voice, buddy.
Well, I know that your story is wildly controversial, but I also know, and the audience should know, I don't know if we'll bring them all on, but we've got like three more witnesses to what you're about to tell us, as incredible as it's going to sound to this audience.
And we have to remember there's a lot of new folks, you know, serious XM people that have never heard the show and certainly never heard you and never heard your story.
So we're going to go through the original story because it's so, I guess, out of this world.
You know, to get out of the city, which is where I was living at the time, about, you know, a 45 to 50 minute drive to a beautiful, pristine area near Snoqualmie Pass, about 60 miles from east of Seattle.
And so we just got out, and like I said, the Pacific Northwest, Washington State, is a beautiful evergreen area that has lots of trails and old logging trails.
And that's essentially what this was.
We had been there many times before, casually walking, casually occasionally seeing some wildlife.
Early in the day when we started walking, we saw some deer.
And this was common.
You know, and you could take your dog off the leash and let her run, and she could just have all the things.
And when the weather is nice and it's not raining, and particularly in August, I mean, you're, you know, August 15th, middle of August, most of the time.
So we just continued to walk down this old logging trail, you know, occasionally stopping to chase raccoons or look at some of the wildlife and just casually walking.
And about an hour and a half into this walk, my dog, Susie, who took off running, you know, scampering through the woods, which was not uncommon.
She would either chase squirrels or raccoons or something.
But it was her freedom.
It was her time to, you know, escape the leash from the city.
And she was a great dog and followed direction well.
She would come when I called her and she would stay next to me when I would say stay.
So she was pretty obedient.
But this time she ran off and she was barking and I didn't think too much of it at first.
And then I could hear her barking, the sound of her barking change.
It sounded more like she was in a little bit of distress or maybe had found some kind of animal that was backed up against a tree or something.
And again, I didn't panic.
I figured, okay, well, she'll get out of there in a moment.
And Susie was a pretty big dog.
She was about 80 pounds.
So, big golden retriever.
So as I continued to walk, and I couldn't see her, but I could hear her, and it sounded like she was probably, oh, 150 yards up the trail.
But my dog, it appeared to me at first that my dog had this thing by the arm.
And I yelled, Susie, let go.
And then I realized, and this is what everyone needs to try to remember, from the second that I first stepped down to see this scene, it was approximately 10 seconds.
And even describing it doesn't give it justice to how fast it happened.
And anyway, what I saw was my dog looking.
It looked like my dog with her mouth was attached to the forearm of this thing.
And they were both vibrating, and My dog was yelping, but then all of a sudden, I saw clearly that it wasn't my dog that had a hold of this, it was the arm of the thing that actually extended, if you can imagine, part of your arm molding itself on the head of my dog.
And, you know, but it even became more insane to me because the second I hit this thing, trying to kill it, and I wanted to kill it, it screamed, I screamed, I think in triumph of trying to stop what I was witnessing, but I almost missed it.
I mean, I'm not an athlete.
I'm 190 pounds, you know, but I almost didn't hit it.
But as I struck it, its head, it started to fall down.
And the pictures that you sent tonight, particularly of the obelisk, we haven't even come to that yet, but back when you took that photograph, they were better quality than they are now.
The obelisk was so clear that people got upset About it.
So sick, no control of my bowels or my bladder or throwing up to the point of bleeding, gasping for breath, and not having any muscle control in my body at all.
And the closest thing that I can relate it to, that other people have since identified to me, is the same feeling that people have said when they had had some kind of radiation poisoning.
So this was, and when I say a crippling sickness, I mean unbelievably crippling to the point where I actually thought I was going to die within the first five or ten minutes.
Do you think that the effect that stayed with you for like a couple of hours that you just described to us was from being in continued proximity to that body?
I mean, I would do the same thing, try and crawl away from it, but I'm just wondering, do you think that continuing effect was because the body was there or just from what happened when you cracked that thing in the skull?
I think it was a combination of things, of events.
As I tried to crawl away, using what little logic I could find that made any sense, I started to hear a sound, a sound in the forest.
And it was like a low, ebbing, harmonic tone.
And I didn't know what it was.
I didn't know where it was coming from.
But in my mind, I thought, well, maybe it's another hiker.
Maybe somebody's got a radio or a boom box or something, and I'm hearing the sound.
And I thought, yes, I need help.
I hope, you know, that this is what it is.
And so I would kind of crawl a little farther, and I'd kind of prop myself up next to a tree, and then I'd get sick again, and I'd throw up, and I'd, you know, just lose all control of my body.
But I didn't see anything, but I still could hear this sound.
I could almost feel this sound.
And it was almost like it was scratching in my ears, almost a tactile feeling.
And I went a little farther and I'd fall down, and then I'd prop myself up against a tree and I'd get sick again.
And finally, I got almost angry, and I got up and I kind of ran through the brush and actually fell down in this little ravine.
And then I realized I was next to something that was unbelievable.
It was a big black-shaped, diamond-shaped object that I estimated to be approximately 9.5 feet long by about 2 to 3 feet high and about 3 to 4 feet wide.
Well, I wasn't sure what was making me sick, except I knew something in the whole area was causing me to feel sick and me to feel out of anything that I felt natural with.
My world was gone.
This was a totally unusual, unparalleled feeling of being out of your own element.
I mean, I thought I was either completely going insane or that I was going to die from this sickness just from the fact that my body was becoming so dehydrated and I just couldn't control it.
And after I fell against this thing for a brief second, just for a minuscule second, I almost felt like I was inside of it and then got thrown out.
It made almost no sound as far as me trying to put my hands on it or leaning against it.
It almost felt like it was kind of absorbing the sound.
Now, this could have been all an illusion because of my sickness, as far as the overall sound.
But I carried on to say to myself, well, I guess it's here.
I guess this is in front of me because it's tangible.
It ripped the skin off of my hand.
I know that didn't just happen with a tree branch.
And I can't move this thing.
And it's making a sound.
And for a brief second, I felt almost like it was trying to identify something.
And then maybe I wasn't it.
But this is speculation after years and years of thinking about this.
I mean, at the time, I had no idea.
I was just going completely out of my mind, trying to find some logic to hold on to, because nothing made any sense.
And I knew that my body alone was quickly becoming in severe state of shock.
And I was conscious of that.
I was conscious of the fact that I couldn't breathe.
I was gasping for air.
And when you do this for a long period of time, you almost lose consciousness and then come back because of the, you know, the whole air process of your body.
So I was readily aware that my body was going into shock.
So my mind was survival.
My mind at that moment was survive this.
So at that moment I said, okay, I got to get some water.
I have to get some water in me because I had emptied all of the water in my body that I had between throwing up and losing control of all of my functions.
And at that moment, at that moment, art in my head was none of this is real.
I was actually thinking to myself, this has to be all an illusion.
I have, you know, somehow, you know, hurt myself or fell down or had some kind of massive stroke, and I am now living in this illusion.
That's what my mind was telling me, because none of it felt real.
So when I saw my camera, I thought, well, I'm going to take a picture of this, and none of it will come out.
And then it'll prove to me that this nightmare is not going on.
That was my thinking.
My thinking was, I've got this in my hand.
I know how to use a camera.
You know, I was a pretty good amateur photographer.
Photography was kind of my hobby.
So I thought, well, I'll just prove to myself that this isn't here.
So I grabbed my cameras.
I walked back over to where this was.
I took some pictures of the body crawling around on my hands and knees.
I crawled back over to where this black floating shape was.
I tried to clear some of the brush underneath It away so that it was even clearer that it wasn't touching the ground.
And as I did that, as I tried to clear some of the ferns away underneath it, there was a feeling as I moved this stick, this branch, to pull away the ferns, like there was a density of the air underneath this thing that was different than the air around it.
Almost like if you put a branch or a board in water, when it enters the water, it has a resistance that's different than the air.
And this was the same thing, except it was just the air underneath this object that was more dense.
And again, I couldn't explain it.
I didn't even want to rationalize.
All I'm doing is seeing it in front of me.
And I'm focusing on, okay, take the picture.
Don't think of anything else.
Just work your camera.
You know how to work the camera.
It was pretty much automatic anyway.
And I concentrated on that.
I totally focused on almost obsessively on take the pictures, Jonathan.
If you hear the videotape, I am so hyperventilating and so stopping and so throwing up during the videotape that it's clear that I was not recovered.
Art, I am just a man and I was running on pure adrenaline and only holding on to that logic that kept me moving forward because I didn't want to think about what had happened, what had happened with my dog, what had happened with this creature, what had happened to me.
I didn't want to think about it.
I wanted to just be healthy.
I wanted to just come out of this nightmare at the moment.
So that was the only logic going on.
Now, Art, you've had some of those photographs from years ago.
And since then, I've talked to lots of people all over the world who have also seen the same shape, the same dimension, the same object, many, many, many different places and over the last hundred years.
Anybody, for example, even right now, and it's almost as though you're remembering more than you did then, anybody listening right now is going to be aware that this is a serious story of contact.
So yes, I'm not surprised that it's serious, but what I want to add in is I've since learned, Art, that there's thousands of people who have very similar stories.
Well, like I said at the beginning, Art, if this hadn't happened to me, I wouldn't believe it either except for the fact that there's a lot of physical evidence.
And if there wasn't physical evidence, including photographs, including video, and including some other things, then I definitely can see how people would be, you know, hard to see it as being anything other than just a story.
And so when I was putting all this, you know, taking the cameras out of my bag and grabbing the water, you know, I pulled everything out of the pack, out of my day pack.
And I just kind of, you know, threw it on the ground as I was grabbing for the water.
Well, one of the things that I had was a thermal blanket, which is, for people who don't know, it's a mylar-type material, plastic, that you can wrap yourself up in if you find yourself in the snow or if you find yourself in distress in the woods to keep your body temperature from reducing.
So I tore open this thermal blanket from its package.
I opened it up and I spread it out over the top of this body and just left it like that for quite a while, just not looking at it anymore.
Just kind of letting my mind go away from it.
And that felt better.
It felt better not to look at it.
So I thought, okay, well, maybe I should take some rocks and place around the edge of the blanket so that, you know, animals don't get at it.
Well, there weren't any rocks.
And it just is high enough in the woods, in the mountains, where there just wasn't any exposed loose rocks.
And I thought about, well, maybe I can find some more branches and pile it next to the edge of this little rise, this hill, and just kind of cover it up.
So, you know, later, maybe I can come back and bring somebody back and, you know, try to figure out what this is.
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And what's amazing is all of a sudden, I ended up back looking at my Jeep and thinking, how did I get here?
How did I get here in such a little time, what felt like 10 or 15 minutes?
And it didn't make any sense.
But of course, nothing made any sense at that time.
Nothing, there was no reality except what I was looking at, what was in my hand, you know, was my key for my Jeep, and that looked comfortable.
That looked like home to me.
And all I remember is opening the back of the Jeep, putting my pack and this package that was fairly small, wrapped up in this thermal blanket, putting it in the back of my Jeep.
And I remember sitting in the driver's seat, closing the door, and just sitting there for some time, not starting the car, not just kind of zoning out, thinking, you know, just thinking nothing.
And then I looked over and I realized Susie wasn't sitting in the seat next to me like she always was.
Any time that I moved it or touched it, it never moved.
So it was just dead weight to me at that point.
And, you know, I want to say again, I didn't have any great plan.
This all came out of nothing more than a survival feeling of getting back to some kind of reality to where I could address being so sick and I could calm down and trying to find some way to put this in perspective.
I mean, I probably would have taken it, you know, to the university that I worked at or something like that.
But I was so sick, I just didn't want to do anything.
So what I did was simply take it out of my Jeep because I didn't want somebody to steal it.
I didn't want somebody to find it and have it kill them by shock.
I don't know.
I don't know what I was thinking, but I thought I got to get it out of my Jeep.
And my Jeep is right next to my garage, which is an exterior building not connected to my house, a two-car garage.
And I thought, well, I'll just put it in there.
So I opened the inside door, small door to my garage, and walked in, turned the light on, and right in front of me, against the far wall, was my freezer.
I literally just put it, opened the top of the freezer and lowered it down and thought, it's out of sight, out of mind, and now I'm going to go in the house and stand in the shower.
And by the way, everybody, listen, if you want to see, by now I know you do, the associated photography, even though it's not the original best, it's up on the website, artbell.com.
Pictures of the creature, pictures of the obelisk we've talked about, pictures of all of this.
So go take a look.
And I know people are doing this in incredible amounts because it's beginning to crash my ability to read questions.
I mean, you know, when it's in front of your face and you can touch it and feel it and look at it, it's undeniable.
You know, when it's in front of you in person, there's no question that you're looking at something that wasn't human and that was some kind of biological creature.
He was adamant.
He was excited and wanted to get this to people who could do something with it and investigate it and take it.
During the first nine days, and there's a reason I'm referencing nine days, there were probably, including Gary and myself, there were probably eight other people, or let's say ten people.
And that included some of my own family, some of my, I mean, my girlfriend, some very good close friends of mine, and some people that I worked with who I respected.
So there was no question that this was really there because other people saw it, other people even took pictures of it.
But to make the story, long story short, the sanity of this was short-lived because the next day when we started to call, when Gary started to call people, we started to realize that there was funny sounds on our phone.
There was extra little click sounds on our phone.
And I thought, well, you know, why is that?
And then we called some people who were from supposedly the MUFON group, Mutual UFO Network.
What would you actually do with something like this?
So we started asking those questions hypothetically, but seriously.
Most people hung up.
Most people, we called Air Force, we called the police, we called a lot of different groups who basically didn't want to have anything to do with it because they thought it's a prank.
It's got to be some kind of a fraternity prank or something.
But when we called the MUFON people, they were excited.
They were very happy.
They gave us good information not to tell anybody else, not to talk about it.
They wanted to meet me in a public place.
They asked if I could bring some of the pictures if I had had them developed.
Photo processing, there was a lot of independent photo processors who you could run the film up to and they'd have it to you, you know, in four or five hours.
So at that moment, I decided that I guess I couldn't trust those who I had hoped for.
And I decided to take things into a little bit different direction.
So Gary and I, or prior to them arriving to my house, had divided up The remains of the evidence that I did have, and we sent some of it away, actually mailed it out of the country to a friend to keep for us.
And thinking that what could be next, you know, somebody's going to break in here, somebody's going to steal everything or something.
And so we did that.
And the next day, I had a friend who was a doctor going to come over and view the body, who was an orthopedist, orthopedic surgeon that I worked with in I don't blame you for mailing the evidence away, but you couldn't very well mail the body away.
Well, right.
That was the truth.
I couldn't really take that away.
We considered it.
We considered if I could get help from one of these guys from the university medical center, I figured I'd be home safe.
And that was my idea, was to bring him over, let him take a look at this, and get him involved and take it to the university.
That was my plan.
So I had called him.
He had answered the phone.
He was very excited.
I told him I had something that I wanted him to see, but I didn't identify it on the phone.
I just said, you know, there's something you need to visually see with your own eyes.
So we're even talking cryptically when we're on the phone.
We're not even saying anything specific.
But anyway, I was angry.
I was angry that he didn't come.
You know, here's a friend that I needed, and he didn't come.
So I decided, okay, I'm going to go back out to the garage.
I had taken out a table and a big light to let this guy examine Freddy, you know, which we took to calling this alien Freddy because Gary said it reminded him of one of his old bosses.
So I just went over there, just like I had time and time again for the last three days, opened the door, and this thing that was in the thermal bank unwound itself and stuck its head out and started screaming at me.
And he went through the same process, the same idea.
Well, Jonathan, you know, you're probably just stressed.
You're probably still just sick.
And I said, And all I said was, come with me.
I'm not going to say anything to you.
Come with me.
And we went in the garage, and of course he was just, you know, perfectly fine until I opened the freezer, and it came out and started screaming at him.
And I didn't think he was going to stop running because he ran out of that garage and just kept going.
You know, I mean, maybe in the woods and in my Jeep, maybe it was unconscious.
But the truth is, and I think you've seen the tape, is when I opened it up in my house on the garage floor and videotaped it after it was home, thinking that it was just completely dead with a big hole in its head with blood and everything else, it was actually moving.
You can see in the videotape that it blinks its eyes and it moves its facial muscles just a little bit when I'm not hovering directly over it.
Robert Wraith was a writer, a freelance writer, who, after nine days, after nine days of having this hell in my house and having my life torn apart, I left the country.
I left the United States.
I went to Canada because I didn't want my friends, my family to continue to be harassed.
They were burning effigies in their lawns.
They were screaming at them on the phone.
There were trucks driving through people's yards.
I mean, you name it.
Even during that time, there were some people hurt.
They were physically beat up by people.
But I decided I'm not going to put people through this.
So there was enough people, shall we, I called them the dark side, who had basically taken over this and decided to put a squash on everything and anybody who was associated with me or my life.
Yeah, Dan McAvoy is a UFO researcher, has been for 20 plus years.
He's an expatriate.
He's an Army Ranger and paratrooper, has tremendous valor and honor and respect.
And he volunteered to help research my case, to walk in my shoes, to walk alongside of me, to go prove to him that I was who I said I was, that my life, in fact, had been destroyed and torn apart.
And Dan McAvoy, the other UFO researcher, saw and experienced a lot of what went on in my life and what has since gone on since I was on the radio with UART for the last 12 years.
He has walked with me.
He has been with me different places around the world.
He also has seen something that I call the Link artifact.
And this is a silver bracelet type object that I found in the forest next to the body when I originally encountered this situation.
I didn't know what it was at first.
When I saw it under the brush, it almost looked like a silvery Coca-Cola can, but it wasn't.
I picked it up and I put it in with the body and I brought it home.
Well, during the rest of the days before I left town, left the country, I would go back into the garage and I would open the freezer and it became familiar with me, I think more than I was with it.
It at least no longer screamed at me.
It would now make little chirpy, squeaky sounds, and I would talk to it like I was talking to my dog, like I was talking to a member of my family, just to try to get it to calm down, to try to reassure that I wasn't going to attack it.
Because now it was a living thing.
It was much different.
And it was injured to me, and it was moving slowly, and it wasn't being aggressive toward me.
It was liking its environment, if you can imagine that.
It actually would get out of the freezer on its own, sit in front of the freezer, kind of rock back and forth in a very fluid motion, and look at me with these big two-inch oval eyes and almost peer into my mind.
It started to communicate through telepathy.
It started to reach inside of me, and I could see images of my life as a child, as a young man, as if it was playing them to me like a movie in my mind.
But so vivid and so clear that I could feel the air.
Well, on the ninth day, I came back home, drove home from my house after being with Gary for a while.
And I drove home in the evening, and I drove to my house, and I found that there were two vans parked up on my lawn with men going in and out of my front door with, you know, dollies taking things out of my house.
So I didn't want to stop, so I went somewhere else and came back later and found that my house had been totally ransacked, Totally destroyed.
They had probed the walls and the floor and the ceiling.
They had taken the toilet off of the floor mounts.
There was water spewing everywhere.
They had probed the grass in the lawn looking for things with some kind of object.
But what I found when I went to that garage, when I saw what I saw, there were small frost-looking, frosty, wet footprints going across the floor and to the wall, stopping like it walked through the wall.
It didn't go to the door.
It didn't go to the other big door, which had been pried out of the wall with pry bars.
It was quite a chore to get you on the air, but here you are.
Can you please tell us, I guess, what you know to be true, what you saw with your own eyes, and whether you can verify, what parts of this story you can verify?
unidentified
Well, you know, Art, I've been to the site where Jonathan first had his experience.
And the site is strange.
There's a tree there, and it's actually growing in, and all its branches are pointing in one direction.
And there have been people up there to do tests.
Also, you know, I've seen Freddy, and I've experienced him.
He's popped in and popped out, and I've seen him a number of times.
And what I had done is, you know, I had stayed up there and talked to him for a few days.
We stayed at a hotel.
Then I took him back to my place and began to work with him.
He had severe PTSD and other problems.
And it took some time to really get to know the man and to work with him and to do my best to aid him.
He refused any other outside help.
He was quite terrified.
He had obviously been being pursued and he had been physically abused and all kinds of horrific things.
What I decided to do as he was talking to me, because he said, you know, we need to document this.
And he had a lot of documentation, but he wanted to put it in a form that all of us could better understand.
And so that's what he did.
You know, I'm a ghostwriter, and that's one of the reasons, you know, he communicated with me that, and I had been involved in other projects concerning people in difficult situations.
you know, something to add to this at this moment is in all the years that have since followed from when Robert first met me, you know, Freddie still is around.
He kind of doesn't leave me alone.
He's become like, I don't know, my shadow.
He's been seen by hundreds of people that have been around me.
Well, as far as what I can figure out, during the time, the first three days when we were taking him in and out of the freezer, showing him to some of my colleagues and friends, I had actually taken a piece of duct tape and taped the skull flap closed on his head.
Well, just so that it wouldn't fall off with the shards of skin and other brain material that was there.
I did it only out of the process of thinking it's not going to make a mess.
Well, as far as what everybody has told me in years since, it must have.
We know that there are some creatures, even on Earth here, that have brains that are kind of split in half in a way that they can pretty much function even on just half a brain.
That their motor functions can still and we even know with humans that in extreme brain injury, our brains have the amazing ability to reconnect to different parts of our own brain.
So the point is he's alive and well and still visiting.
And in some ways, it's a very strange situation because even after knowing this, even after experiencing this time and time and time again, it's still terribly unnerving to me.
It's not normal to have something just appear in the corner of the room or when you're sitting in the bathroom.
It's just unnerving to have something materialize.
But, you know, even with long-form talk radio and the luxury of all the time we have, we've already chewed up a lot of it, so I want to be able to open the lines.
Anything else you really, really want to get out before we do that?
They found that the basic materials were silicone, polymer, beryllium, aluminum, magnesium, copper, zinc, bismuth, gold, and some unknown, unidentifiable materials.
That the layers inside of this thing, even though it's very thin in its actual thickness, it's only about 3 16ths of an inch thick, is made up of layer after layer of micron-type layers, 3 to 4 microns in depth.
Gary drove back, took a trailer and chains and a truck, and he was bound and determined to drag that thing out of the forest one way or another.
It was gone.
But the more interesting thing is all the plants and the ferns that I tore out underneath it were put back like it was pristine, like nothing had ever happened in that space.
As briefly as you're able, Dan, you are a UFO research investigator.
And how did you get in contact with Jonathan and what did you do?
unidentified
Well, I had heard him on your show back in 1999, I believe it was.
And I was intrigued and then heard him again on the show and then realized that out in Laughlin, Nevada, there would be a convention where he would speak for the first time and present his book and his information.
And I decided to go out there.
And as you would say, I wanted to take that ride.
And I wanted to do it on this because this was not like anything else that I've seen.
You know, we've seen lights in the sky.
We've seen possible abductions, but this goes way beyond.
And with that, one of them pulled a blue blanket, not blanket, but a blue wrap cloth out of his jacket pocket.
And he laid it on the table.
And it turned out to be the linked artifact itself, not encased in anything.
It was just there.
And Jonathan grabbed it, and before any, the three of us could do anything, he had already put it on his wrist, and it began to seem to clamp down on his wrist because of the three needles that are on the underside.
And it seemed to turn blue.
And the hardest part is that I think it was a form of teleportation because he wasn't there.
After that, he shook violently, and then it appears he was gone out of the room.
When you say he shook violently, Jonathan, is that the same kind of shake that you observed with the creature?
I don't know if Jonathan's still there.
Apparently never even.
Okay, let me just ask you, was it that kind of vibration?
I'm sure you've heard him describe it a million times, that alien vibrating at such a fast rate.
Was it like that?
unidentified
It was like that.
And, you know, that's what leads me to conclude that perhaps it was an interdimensional thing because of the vibration.
And it is similar to the vibrations that the alien and his dog encountered.
It was almost too hard to see.
And then perhaps, you know, in those kind of moments, minutes can seem like seconds.
And within that time, I don't know, 15, 30 seconds, and a minute at the most, there was a flash of light from up in the corner, sort of a golden light.
And there he was.
I mean, just as he was sitting at the table two minutes ago.
And you worked with the Jay Allen Hynek group and you worked with MUFON, right?
unidentified
Well, yes, and, you know, this case has put a schism between those folks.
You know, there's been so much controversy, you know, that they, you know, that they did nothing for me and was just abused and just a not, you know, the organizations aren't what they used to be.
Well, as far as I can tell from all the publications, talking with all the prominent researchers in the field, that's the sense I get.
And it's because there's so much here.
It's so deep that others just want to skim off the top.
And, you know, and the other correlation, I think, is money.
Through this, we've never, in 15 years, have never taken money from anyone.
We did it for free.
We gave books for free.
We handed them out to free, and this goes from California to Seattle, all the way down throughout Mexico, down into Central America, and then into South America.
It was so big, and the reception was so great that we didn't have to sell any books.
You know, it didn't matter who gave books away just because you're an ex-Army Ranger, close combat weapons specialist, paratrooper, awarded many credits of valor and honor in your service.
Thank you for your service to the DG, by the way.
You're quite welcome.
And one more thing.
I understand that you've had a series of strokes lately.
There's been so much controversy around this case.
All right, Dr. Reed, we're going to take some calls, if that's okay with you.
Yes, perfect.
Let's rock.
Hello there.
Dark Matter, you're on the air with Dr. Reed.
unidentified
Yes.
Art, thanks for taking my call, first of all, and Roswell's to you, sir.
My question is for Dr. Reed, obviously.
Did Freddie, did the alien ever relay to you through telepathy or otherwise as to its possible origin and why it might have been in the forest that day?
Why did you run into it?
Did he hint to you in any way for the possibilities of this?
While I encountered an alien with my time with the Air Force, it made those strange noises too, and I could see the membrane in its mouth moving around.
And the closest thing that I've ever heard recorded, unfortunately that recording, it was really hard for us to hear, it made wind chime-like noises that the closest thing I've ever heard of was the demon-possessed children.
Sometimes they'll make tones that sound like wind chimes that are just things that a human vocal cord couldn't make.
I'm just wondering if you could tell us any more about the chimes and sounds.
In regard to this, I believe that Freddy probably was only defending himself when my dog came upon him.
And it was like as if we were attacked by a wild animal.
You do whatever you have to do to defend yourself, your life.
And I believe that's actually what he was doing.
But I believe that the technology of his suit, of this black suit that expanded itself around the head of my dog, was a defense mechanism to protect Freddy, himself.
So that's my belief.
I have since spent lots of time apologizing to Freddy, telling him I didn't know what I was doing, that I didn't mean to hurt him, and that I now know he was only trying to defend himself.
It's very involved, the answer, but the short answer is yes, I have a pretty good idea of what they are doing.
They are caretakers.
They are caretakers of life.
Not only of plant life, but all life.
This planet is nothing more than a huge, huge melting pot of life, a jewel in the universe, as some would say, where beings, where creatures have been put, possibly, to thrive and survive.
And maybe we are the same.
Maybe we are part of that group that was put here and that we are also being carefully tended to, carefully loved.
I mean, for example, that encounter in the woods and the obelisk, he had to be in the middle of some mission or movement or something to be there at that time for you to have that encounter.
It was something to do with the geology of the area that they were monitoring, something to do with that area.
What's very interesting is if you take a compass up to that location, it'll just spin.
It'll just spin endlessly.
Really?
And other people have gone there and to this very day.
Other people have gone there and checked out radiation samples, ground samples, and found that there is an extra amount of radiation that seems to be in a 300-foot degree area.
Okay, and when you fell against it and you froze your hand, I'm wondering if that was its living chamber where it's the same as if it was in your freezer.
I felt more that it was a doorway, maybe an interdimensional doorway that allowed him to come and go there using dimension, flipping dimension to travel through time and space.
Somebody named Sam is coming through the wormhole and just asking what was described to us, you know, that you disappeared with that bracelet and then reappeared.
Sam is asking, where did you go?
Are you able to tell us where you were during that apparent teleportation?
I became very, very violently in the moment when I put it on.
It becomes a huge pressure inside of my chest, almost what must feel like a severe heart attack.
It radiates to my extremities.
I start to lose my sight down to almost a singular or tunnel type vision that becomes almost black.
And then all of a sudden, it becomes completely clear.
And I was in a large, oval, egg-shaped room, probably 50 feet high, 30 feet wide.
And in that room was standing another entity, and I'm very careful about how I say this, that was probably 10 to 15 feet high, standing off the side of this wall, looking down on me.
It was gold.
It was large.
It looked like it had big golden robe wrapped around it, almost like it had wings and a shape without a complete face.
But in this second, when I was there, I was inside of it.
It was inside of me.
It was like being in the presence of an angel or God.
You know, I find this music calms me, and frankly, I need a little calming right now.
This is one hell of a story.
Believe it, not believe it, think it's a hoax, think it's possible, whatever.
It's a hell of a story.
That's all there is to it.
Let's see.
I've got a message from the wormhole asking, Doctor, if you know the coordinates to this location where the compasses spin and where all this occurred.
No, I don't know the exact compass coordinates, and to tell you the truth, I wouldn't give it out because people would go there and tear the site apart.
Because, you know, what you're saying is the absolute truth.
Dark Matter, you're on the air with Dr. Reed.
unidentified
Hello.
All right, Roswells, thank you for taking my call.
Thank you.
Thank you.
My initial call that I told the screener has been answered several times.
So to jump from that, Dr. Reed, I was curious, you said that the alien spoke to you talking about how life is very important.
And I was wondering if it had given you any sort of sense that it or they believe the human race to be a bit arrogant in assuming that we are the highest form and most important directive of life on this planet.
Well, first of all, the one who told me about their feelings toward us was what I call the elder, one of the elders, which is a totally different kind of being from Freddie.
This is a light being.
This is energy, just pulsing energy that was inside of me the second I was there.
I didn't want to leave.
I didn't want to ever leave that spot.
I've never felt so much love and tenderness in my life.
It was like being in the arms of your mother.
There was no feeling that we're arrogant to them.
There was a feeling that we're naive, that we're young and we're very undeveloped, and that we need time to grow and nurture and feel what this life is really all about.
That this life is to be lived to find the harmony, to find the frequency in our lives, to learn to find that energy, that love that we are supposed to be experiencing.
Originally, when it had torn my life apart, I was left with nothing.
But in the last 10, 12 years, since I stopped publicly speaking, since I decided to basically court the science side of life one more time, I have been sought out by science groups and universities all around the world.
I have spoken to heads of state and heads of countries about this.
I was invited by the Vatican one month ago to speak with the new Pope.
Yes, he had a black suit on, similar to what I would reference like spandex, that was a one-piece of material, no seams, no zippers, almost like a turtleneck type thing that covered his hands, his feet, his body, his legs, his torso, everything.
What was unique about the suit is when he was unconscious in my garage, I did a topical examination of him, feeling through his suit, feeling my way to find out his fingers, that he had basically three fingers in like a glove or a mitten form, but inside there were five fingers.
He had basically the same anatomy that a human would have, except some small additions.
But then one thing was very interesting is I took a X-Acto knife and I attempted to cut the suit.
And as I cut a two-inch strip in it, it sealed itself up.
Well, everything you've described, Doctor, about the vibrational shifting, both of the alien creature in the woods, of you with the bracelet on, all of that smacks of...
Vibration, of course, smacks of frequency, and frequency seems to be at issue here in terms of...
All of the religions of the world talk about harmony in their basic rule.
Their basic rule.
I'm not talking about their protracted politics.
I'm talking about their basic rule.
And harmony in science, harmony translates to frequency.
And frequency translates to energy in science.
All of them talk about finding the harmony within your family, within yourself, and extending that harmony, extending that frequency to bring us back into balance.
Last night you talked with Dr. Greer about the fact that our world is out of balance.
Well, that's what they're telling me.
Every time I've gone away, every time I've been able to speak with these elders, these incredibly warm, loving, gifted angels, they talk about finding the balance in our life.
That it's so simple.
We've made it difficult.
We're the ones who have put on blinders and refused to bring it back home.
He has a scar on his head to this day, just as if we would have a scar on my body or your body.
It remains.
He is biological.
He has biology, just like we do, and the scar remains.
In regard to him moving and being in my presence in the garage during the first nine days, he moved in and out of the freezer like a fluidity that I had never seen, like a gymnast that was so graceful and so slow, but so powerful.
So there was some lucky accident, or maybe it wasn't an accident that he ended up in the freezer because either that was his environment or it was a healing environment for him.
Well, I have a question for First Roswell, and I have a question for Dr. Reed.
I once saw a UFO, and I had this telepathic communication that was two or three seconds long, and it was large amounts of information that I won't go into.
We are being shown and given direction that probably has been given to us for centuries by a teacher here and there, all over time.
I am not special.
I didn't want this to happen.
I could have much preferred to give this to you, Art, than for me to do this.
But for some reason, I have this responsibility.
And I've decided, since so much of it now has encompassed my life and changed my life for the better, I have decided I will take the responsibility to tell people simply what I know.
He was a professor of neurology, not a particularly religious man, self-subscribed.
And his explanation of when he had a form of meningitis and he thought that he had passed through was strikingly similar to the doctor's explanation of talking to the golden being.
I believe this is happening to many people all around the world.
You know, this life is a precious thing, and I think there's a lot more to it than what we can perceive, what we can actually comprehend.
This is something that I think we need to unlearn about our modern times.
I think we need to take the blinders off that are politically motivated, that are economically motivated, and get back to the basics of what this life is supposed to be.
It's supposed to be lived.
It's supposed to be experienced and cherished.
unidentified
Dr. Yes.
I had had a massive heart attack at one time, and I remember fading away, and people speak of the walking toward the light.
I wish I had seen it, and I wish I could say it's unquestionable to me.
I can't say that.
That's awful, huh?
I can't say that.
I question everything.
Hi, Dark Matter.
You're on the air with Dr. Reed.
unidentified
Hello, Art, and hello, Dr. Reed.
Hello.
My default position, having grown up around the nation's capital, is to be skeptical.
But about 22 years ago, I had an experience.
It was not UFO-related.
It was metaphysical.
But it knocked my socks off.
And one night I'll call and tell you about it, Art.
But here's my question for you.
I missed the first part of the interview, and I kind of pieced together that you were a doctor having to do with psychology, and I think this happened in the state of Washington in the 90s.
And I also get the sense that you were affiliated with some sort of university in the state of Washington.
Everything was eliminated from my life by a government-type faction, by a group that systematically eliminated my bank accounts, all of my creditation, my job, everywhere that I went, including my passport and my birth certificate didn't exist.
The only way that I got a passport back was I had a law firm threaten to sue the U.S. government that we were going to plant a story in every major newspaper in the United States that the U.S. government had refused to give me my passport back because I had had an extraterrestrial experience.
Well, after we went on your show, Art, I had not had any contact with him for years.
Nobody thought he was alive.
And some relatives of his called me, verified, in fact, who I was, and I went to see him.
Gary had been beaten and left for dead on the side of a road with severe brain injuries and literally was on his last moments.
And I used the link artifact and took him with me to that round room and saw his life change before my eyes.
I saw him, his spirit, his energy, his life force, whatever you want to call it.
I saw it given back to him and him put in to the collective.
And those are my words.
Yes, and we're still standing, Art.
That's the amazing thing.
We don't do any advertising.
We don't do any, you know, like Dan said, we've probably given away as many books as we've sold.
But by the grace of God, by the grace of other people who have helped this to continue, I will keep speaking to those who want to listen because I know something.
I know that our life, our civilization, our humanity needs to evolve because we're in trouble.
I believe that when we reach out across the airwaves, across the table, and touch the person across from us, we are giving them part of ourselves.
We are giving them part of our energy, part of our life.
That's what we need to do.
We need to bring it back to that kind of simplicity where our lives are shared together to enhance each other, where our energy helps each other grow and evolve.