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June 16, 2007 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Intention Experiments - Lynne McTaggart

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art bell ▲ ● ▼		From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's prolific time zones, each and everyone covered by this program, Coast to Coast AM, the very largest program of its type in the world.
		And that's no small claim.
		My name's Art Bell.
		I'm here to escort you through the weekend.
		It will be my honor and privilege to do so.
		The webcam photograph, of course, again, Asia.
		Fairly recent photograph.
		That's a smile, folks.
		Or it's gas.
		Depending on how you look at very early smiles, I think it's a smile.
		It's kind of my crooked smile.
		So a lot of people saying she takes after me in that photograph.
		Erin is doing great.
		New mama.
		C-section, remember, that's pretty major operation.
		I don't know if you have ever observed a C-section, but wow.
		It's like cleaning a fish.
		I guess that's a poor analogy, but they really, you know, they just sort of take everything out.
		And then out comes Asia, eight pounds, five ounces.
		And so it's a, you know, it's a bit of a recovery for her, to be sure.
		And we're sort of exchanging parenting duties.
		And what I'm doing is what comes natural for me.
		I'm kind of staying up late.
		And I'm trying to get Aaron to bed a little bit early.
		And so that's how we're kind of getting through this part of it.
		Feeding, diaper changing, doing all of those things.
		Okay, let's look at the world.
		Never a totally pleasant duty.
		Security forces in Baghdad have full control now of only 40% of the capital city five months into the pacification campaign, according to a top American general.
		Troops began an offensive on two al-Qaeda strongholds on the capital's southern outskirts.
		Military, meanwhile, reports that paratroopers had found ID cards of two missing U.S. soldiers at an Al-Qaeda safe house, not safe anymore, 75 miles north of where they were captured last month.
		No sign of the men.
		The house contained computers, video equipment, and weapons.
		District Attorney Mike Nafong was disbarred Saturday for his selfish, that's in quotes, rape prosecution of three Duke University lacrosse players.
		A politically motivated act, said the judge.
		Well, actually, judges in this case for disbarment that he inexplicably allowed to fester for months after it was clear that defendants were, in fact, innocent.
		Quote, this matter has been a fiasco, end quote.
		There's no doubt about it.
		That's F. Lane Williamson, chairman of the three-member disciplinary committee that stripped the veteran prosecutor of his new state law license.
		Mohammed Abbas got a major boost in his increasingly bellicose showdown with Hamas on Saturday with a U.S. diplomat saying he expects a crippling embargo to be lifted once the Palestinian president appoints a government without the Islamic militants.
		But the money is unlikely to reach Gaza, certainly now, since it's controlled by Hamas and cut off from the rest of the world.
		Atlantis cleared Saturday to return to Earth this coming week after the space shuttle's heat shield was judged capable of surviving intense heat, the kind you get on re-entry, and a U.S. astronaut reached a milestone with the longest single space flight by any woman.
		Atlantis is set to land at Cape Canaveral, Florida, Thursday, though NASA officials were still deciding whether to keep the shuttle at the International Space Station an extra day because of the failure of computers that control the station's orientation and oxygen production.
		It's my understanding that if those computers, Russian computers, are not fixed, it could lose 37 miles in altitude over the next months.
		A dog racing vehicle lost dog racing, a drag racing vehicle, how about that, lost control during a parade, spun into a crowd of bystanders on Saturday night.
		It killed four adults, injured up to 15.
		Investigators trying to determine what caused the vehicle to careen into the crowd at the Cars for Kids charity event in Selmar, located about 80 miles east of Memphis.
		Filmmaker Michael Moore gave people in the rural county where he lives an early look at his new film, Sicko, on Saturday.
		Had some harsh words for critics of the documentary that launched his career, Manufacturing Dissent, a film that accuses Moore of dishonesty in the making of his politically charged documentaries.
		Alleges that he interviewed then General Motors Corporation chairman Roger Smith, the elusive subject of Moore's 1989 debut, Roger and Me, but left all the footage on the cutting room floor.
		Well, okay, that's the world.
		Quickly and depressingly, in a moment, we'll be back with some more news.
		Well, first, it's the bees.
		Now the birds.
		So the birds and the bees.
		The population of 20 common American birds, this is from ABC, by the way, from the fence-sitting meadowlark to the whipperwill with its haunting call, are get this, folks, half what they were 40 years ago, according to an analysis released on Thursday.
		Why?
		Suburban sprawl, climate change, and other invasive species largely to blame.
		That's according to the Audubon Society.
		Here's a quote.
		Most of these we really don't expect will go extinct, he said, but we reflect other things that are happening.
		It does reflect other things that are happening in the environment That we all ought to be worried about.
		Last month, a different group of researchers reported that seven species had dramatically declined because of West Nile virus.
		Species harmed by West Nile are different from those listed in the new study, except for the little chickadee, and that one's hard hit on both lists.
	Many of the species listed as declining in the new study depend on open grassy habitats that are disappearing.
	They're simply going away.
	Some of the birds, like the evening grossbeak, used to be so plentiful that people would actually complain about how crowded bird feeders were, how they could finish off 50-pound sacks of sunflower seeds in about two days, but the colorful and gregarious Grosbeak's number have plummeted 78%.
	78% in the last 40 years.
	Quote, it was an amazing phenomenon all through the 70s that simply has just disappeared.
	It's really a dramatic thing.
	It was in people's backyards, and now it's not anymore.
	For the study, researchers looked at bird populations of more than a half million, which covered a wide range.
	They compared databases for 550 species from two different bird surveys.
	The Audubon's own Christmas bird count at the U.S. Geological Survey's Breeding Bird Survey in June.
	The numbers of 20 different birds were at least half of what they were in 1967.
	Wow.
	Today, there are 432 million fewer of these bird species, including the northern pintail, greater scalp, boreal chickadee, common term, loggerhead shrike, field sparrow, grasshopper, sparrows, snow, bunting, black-throated sparrow, lark sparrow, common grackle, American bitum, honed lark, little blue heron, and rough grouse.
	So in other words, with all of those birds, they're down by at least half, some as much as 67% from 40 years ago.
	Now, it occurs to me we're beginning to measure an awful lot of things in 40-year increments.
	In 40 years, the North Pole has virtually been better than cut in half in terms of the amount of ice.
	In 40 years, the amount of CO2 has risen X number.
	In 40 years, the birds have, their number has been cut in half.
	We shouldn't be, as human beings, it seems to me, measuring things in 40-year increments at all.
	These kinds of things should be measured in, at the very least, centuries, millennia, not single lifetimes.
	It should bother us greatly that these things are being measured in single lifetimes.
	I know it bothers me.
	And should you.
	All right, look, I'm going to open up the lines for unscreened open line radio.
	Now, here's the deal.
	I'm about to give you the numbers.
	When you call, when you get a ring, just let it ring.
	And ring and ring.
	I will come to you eventually.
	And when I do, there's no screener in betwixt you and myself.
	Boom, you'll be on the air like that.
	So please turn your radio off immediately, right away.
	First thing you do is reach over and go click.
	We have a delay system, and if you have it on, it will make you sound confused on the air because you will be confused, and you don't want that.
	So that's number one.
	Number two, try to have something of general interest for all of the audience.
	So here are the numbers.
	West of the Rockies, out here in the Great Wild West, the number is 800-618-8255.
	That's 1-800-618-8255.
	Anything you want to talk about, fair game.
	East of the Rockies, many of you, at 800-825-5033.
	First-time callers, those who have never ventured forth before, we have a special line for you at Area Code 818-501-4721.
	818-501-4721 wildcard lines.
	And there are many of those, Area Code 818-501-4109.
	And finally, internationally, if you're outside the country, we have a portal, a free one for you.
	Get hold of your operator and have a recall toll-free, 800-893-0903.
	That's 800-893-0903.
	All right, let's rock.
	Wildcard line, you are on the air.
	Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Yart.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How you doing?
unidentified		This tree top.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, sir.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		I live in Lower Alabama, just north of Censacola.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Uh-huh.
unidentified		And I was just going to give you an update on the beef situation down there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How about the birds?
unidentified		Oh, the birds?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, did you hear me just reading about the birds?
unidentified		Oh, yeah, but I was, you had mentioned the bees too earlier, did you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's right, birds and bees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, what about bees?
unidentified		Well, I haven't found any shortage of bees where I've normally seen them from year to year down in that area.
		We're a high agricultural area, you know, and you would think that if it had anything to do with biological farming or pesticides, you know, we would be in grave danger of less bees.
		But we seem to be flourishing down there.
		I just don't give you enough.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I guess there are certain areas where the bees remain, but the areas where they're hard hit, and that now includes, I don't know what the last I heard was, 23 states or more, they're virtually gone.
		Just gone.
		And as far as I know, I have heard no somebody out there may update me, but I've heard no update.
		I've heard a lot of guesses, educated guesses by educated people, but nothing nailed down as to why they're gone and where they are.
		Wildcard line, you're On the air.
unidentified		Oh, hello, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Can I play them on?
unidentified		Hey.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		He got cut off.
		Hello?
		He's gone.
		That's too bad.
		You know, I've been wanting to complain again about cell phones.
		I haven't done that in a while.
		Cell phones, well, first of all, let me admit that I own one.
		I own a cell phone, and frankly, I wouldn't be without it.
		But in terms of how they work on talk radio, pooey, it's just absolutely awful.
		And I would like to urge the cell phone companies to devote more bandwidth.
		And that's what it takes, folks.
		The quality of the call is, assuming you've got a decent signal, only dependent on the bandwidth.
		And if they would devote a little more bandwidth to their calls, then you could really hear pins or whatever all else drop.
		And they really would be good connections.
		And if you reach back to the days when all cell phones were analog and not digital, even with the slim bandwidth that they were allowed then, things still sounded pretty good compared to the way the new digital whoop-de-doo cell phones sound now.
		And by the way, they're suggesting, I'll read you an article later on it, that the sun may be accountable, this time of night, obviously, for a lot of dropped cell phone calls.
		So the next time in the middle of the day you get a dropped cell phone call, you might want to well blame the sun.
		West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
unidentified		Hey, Art, good evening.
unidentified		How are you doing tonight?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Quite well, sir.
unidentified		The question I have for you tonight is, well, you know, wife and I really had a theory about the bees and the birds.
unidentified		I know it's going to sound kind of ludicrous, but, you know, I don't know if anyone's ever looked into the fact, could they be transporting these to, say, Mars to try to colonize the population over there or try to start, you know, some type of, I don't know, oxygenation or something like that?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wouldn't have been my first guess.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Who would you think would be doing that?
unidentified		Well, I would think that, you know, some kind of a covert operational type, you know, government thing would be my suggestion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for starters, there's not enough oxygen atmosphere to support a bird flying around.
unidentified		Well, I know, but if they were to put him in a dome, so to speak, and try to oxygenate that area to see and experiment to get plants or any type of growth on the soil itself, I mean, there could be a possibility of doing that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I say, sir, I appreciate the guess, but it wouldn't have been my first.
		I think terraforming Mars would be a really fun topic to talk about.
		But I don't think you'd do it by putting biologicals on the planet.
		That'd be kind of like the last step.
		The first thing you'd want to do would be to put very low-level plants, things that would create some oxygen.
		I'm not an expert on how you'd terraform a planet, but I would think plants, moss, I don't know, things that would start a slow process that would eventually result in terraforming.
		East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Hi, this is Terry from Baltimore.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, hey.
unidentified		Art, this is the first time I'm talking to you, and I know you don't like to hear it.
unidentified		You don't like people to brag on you, but I'm honored.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow, thank you.
unidentified		Thank you.
		And I wanted to know, it's your question.
		When do you think?
		Do you think in our lifetime that it will come out that aliens have been here and they know it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think there's a good chance.
		Yes, I do.
		I really do.
		I think there's a fair to midland chance that in our lifetimes, how old are you?
unidentified		I'm 44.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		44.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think pretty good chance that in your lifetime, or perhaps even mine, we may get evidence that they are here.
unidentified		But do you think they'll come out with evidence that they already have?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I think that the planet has been visited for a long time.
		You know, it's, I guess, as much of a hope as it is a prediction, but I think there's a good chance, yes.
unidentified		I just don't see the logic, and I know people would panic.
		You know that.
		But I think everybody's ready to hear it now, you know?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Would you panic?
unidentified		No.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What religion are you?
unidentified		Catholic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Catholic.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you received incontrovertible evidence that not only had aliens been here on the planet, but in fact were our progenitors, had in fact created us, then how would it hit you?
unidentified		I really wouldn't be surprised because, you know, when I'm seeing things here and there on TV, your show, when they're finding those hydroglyphic numbers on these, like, Roswell craft, and the same symbols are on the pyramids.
unidentified		I'm already thinking things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know, but you believe firmly, don't you, that God created us.
unidentified		Yeah, true.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But so if you suddenly found out that it was not God, but in fact, an alien race.
unidentified		No, that would be a little shocking.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		A little shocking.
unidentified		Yeah, but I swear I think they had something to do with the pyramids.
		Because I just can't, I cannot seem to believe that humans could build something like that back then with nothing modern.
		And yet modern technology can't build nothing like that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, yes.
		In fact, we've not been able to duplicate the pyramids.
		That's certainly true.
		The theory that I like is that the, and Zahiowas would hate this, the bottom stones, the big ones, were in fact put in place by human beings, slaves.
		And the top rocks were not put in place.
		They were poured in place.
		Now, that's something they might have accomplished.
		You'll recall how smooth everything is with regard to the pyramids, how perfect everything is as if it was poured.
		Now, that's certainly a possibility.
		I climbed on the pyramids, I went inside, I went up into the sarcophagus and had an opportunity to lay in that, which was one hell of an experience.
		And, of course, had a personally conducted tour by Zahi Hawass, who maintains that the Egyptians, by all means, art, built the pyramids.
		And if you try and suggest that anybody else might have had anything to do with it, he goes berserk.
		But on the other hand, if you suggest to him, well, Zahi, how did the Egyptians do it?
		He just goes, I have no idea, Art.
		Nobody knows.
		That's the great mystery.
		But there can be only one answer, and that is the Egyptians did it.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Russian President Vladimir Putin warned that U.S. plans to build a missile defense system in Eastern Europe might force Moscow to target its own weapons against Europe.
		The threat in an interview published Sunday in Italy and other foreign media marked one of Putin's most strident statements to date against the U.S. plans and came just days before the Russian president is to join other leaders at a group of eight summit in Germany going on now, I think.
		Quote, if the American nuclear potential grows in European territory, we're going to have to give ourselves new targets in Europe, said Putin.
		It's up to our military to define these targets in addition to defining the choice between ballistic and cruise missiles.
		Reminiscent of the Cold War, huh?
		In some ways, I miss the Cold War.
		Awful as it was, those were actually easier days.
		You knew exactly who your enemy was.
		You knew exactly what the results of a hot war would be.
		And those were easier days.
		It's hard to believe that you can sit at this moment in history in 2007 and say, that might have been a better day when we all had nuclear missiles pointed at each other.
		Of course, retargeting only takes about 20 minutes anyway.
		We'll be right back.
		Top of the hour is Lynn McTaggart.
		We're going to be talking about her book, The Intention Experiment.
		And as you know, that's right down my alley.
		Way down my alley.
		And I just got sort of a query during this last break asking Lynn wondering whether we would like to try any experiments with the audience.
		And I said, well, I'm mulling the same thing over myself.
		Tell Lynn, we'll talk about it on the air.
		And then I guess we have a new board op, a budding board op in California named Erin with the traditional spelling.
		And they were asking about my wife's name, Erin, which actually is Irene.
		But she gave up on trying to make it Irene willingly, actually, because, and I've explained this on the air before, it's A-I-R-Y-N.
		That's the spelling of her name, which is supposed to be Irene.
		But she was baptized by a German priest.
		And he didn't like the traditional spelling of Irene, so he made it A-I-R-Y-N, which is kind of Aryan, right?
		And that's how it came to be.
		And so even other Filipinos call her Erin, and when they look at it, and so do Americans.
		And so we sort of gave up and said, gee, Erin's cute.
		And that's cute spelling.
unidentified		So she has gone with that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, back to the phones.
		Let's see what awaits out there.
		You never know.
		Wild card line, you are on the air.
unidentified		You cannot hide from me tonight, Mr. Bell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Apparently not.
unidentified		Yes, you try to trick me into thinking you're retiring, but you're not.
unidentified		Listen, I'm going to tell you about the birds and the bees.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yes, by all means.
		The person I would look to first for the birds and the bees would be you.
		Where are they?
unidentified		I have the Lord's advice.
		Let me tell you what's happening with the bees.
		They're pollinating pot plants, and the pot plants are poisoning them and killing them.
		And the birds...
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You may be on to something, Jay-Z.
		So they're pollinating pot plants.
		They're getting stoned, and then they don't know how to get back to the hive.
unidentified		You got it.
unidentified		That's exactly what is happening.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm going to give you a sound.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You really thought that one out.
unidentified		Excuse me?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I gave you a compliment, Jay-C.
		Never mind.
		Go ahead.
		The birds.
		What about the birds?
unidentified		Let me tell you about the birds.
		The birds are being murdered by an overpopulation of cats.
		Too many demonic cats.
		You're killing chickens and turkeys, and they're trying to depopulate so that we'll starve to death.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		JC, cats are not demonic.
unidentified		They are the devil's familiars.
unidentified		You know that, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They are not.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		They're cute, little, furry, lovable things, JC.
unidentified		No, but they've attacked me.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
		Well, see, I've always credited cats with a great deal of old knowledge.
		And anybody who sounds like you do deserves a set of front claws right between the cheeks.
unidentified		Knowledge of the devil.
		The servants, the snake, and the cat all together against mankind.
		But let me tell you something.
		When Jerry Falwell died, he split hell wide open, going into that boiling pits of sewage because he refused to get only on one point.
		He had so many good points about him.
		And I feel so bad about him, which is why I want to warn you and warn your audience that he refuted me.
		He would not give me his television programs and radio programs.
		So he went to hell.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What happened to Edna?
		Is she home yet?
		You said Edna was coming home.
unidentified		No, we're tracking her down.
		And we're going to, very soon, Mr. Bell, we're going to return Edna to the fold.
		And that's why you need to have me back on for the I agree with JC interview line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		The JC interview line.
unidentified		Yes, the interview line so that you can have your listeners call and talk to me.
unidentified		I mean, you'll do it for degenerate authors like Tess Gretson and No Good like Stephen Hawkins.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That would be Tess Garretson.
		And Stephen Hawking, I don't think we've had him on the show yet, JC.
		And actually, actually, JC, I've done it for you on a number of occasions.
unidentified		Well, yes, but not enough.
unidentified		It's never enough for the Lord's word, is it, sir?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There is enough of JC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		There can be enough of JC.
unidentified		No, sir, I don't think so.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Five minutes is kind of the limit, JC.
unidentified		You need to give me your entire program.
unidentified		How dare you tell me to limit the Lord's word to five minutes?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it is a thought.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if he had the whole program?
unidentified		I would.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What would you do, JC?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had the whole program, what would you do?
unidentified		Well, first, I would start and I agree with JC line and tell people to email me at boilingpitsofsewage.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with JC line.
		JC, even I don't have a line like that.
		I'd rather have somebody disagree with me than agree with me.
		And you would have an I agree with JC line.
unidentified		Yes.
		And we'll have people who call to disagree with me as well so that I could tell them how wrong they are.
		Everybody's entitled to their opinion, and even if it is wrong.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that a little self-serving?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree with JC line?
unidentified		Not only the I agree with JC line, but I think the JC is a great and wonderful person, Lynn.
		The JC is absolutely correct, Lynn.
		The I will do JC's will line.
		I will obey JC line.
		Yes, I could have as many lines as I wanted to to glorify me because I glorify God and God has chosen me to be his 10-star general, not you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Actually, if we were doing some sort of donation work for mental health week, you'd be just my guy.
unidentified		Listen, people, I can take donations from the Lord.
		I'm willing to accept any kind of monetary compensation for my work.
		I mean, I'm doing this because God wants me to, but God also wants me to have a steady income.
		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
		How many people have sent donations into, what is it, CLAMP?
		Is that your organization?
		CLAMP?
unidentified		I do not disclose my personal financial matters with infidels like you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Infidel.
		CLAMP, is CLAMP a 5013C setup?
		I mean, is it tax-exempt or what's the deal?
unidentified		I, again, will not discuss that with you.
		There's a fraudulator out there who is impersonating Clamp, and I'm not going to say who she is, but she knows who she is, and I'm ordering her to stop.
		She's not Clamp.
		I have no official web presence besides boilingpitsofsewage at yahoo.com.
		So people out there be warned, fraudulators on the web.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know you had that.
unidentified		Wait a minute.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I want to be sure of this.
		You have boilingpitsofsewage.com.
		That's your website?
unidentified		No, no, no, boilingpitsofsewage at yahoo.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At Yahoo.com.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm surprised Yahoo would allow something like boiling pits of sewage at Yahoo.
unidentified		Boiling pits of sewage atoo.com and they deleted the original Edna Pringle email.
		I think the devil did it.
		I know the devil did it himself.
		He went and clipped the wires and destroyed that account.
		He created boiling pits of sewage at yahoo.com.
		And so people can get in contact with me because very soon God is going to rise up an army of Christian martyrs and soldiers.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Crazy, how do you feel when you close your eyes and you think about Edna zipping along at about 80 miles an hour on a Harley somewhere?
unidentified		I feel nothing but pure rage and anger that one so close to me and so close to Jesus could be ripped away and pornographized by your listeners.
		I feel anger and I feel rage and I feel hatred of the devil.
		I wanted to step on them and say, get behind me, Satan.
		You are a defeated foe.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What, JC?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What if God is the one who released Edna from your evil hold?
unidentified		Well, don't you think he would have, in my evil, he would have told me if he allowed her to leave.
		I am not evil, for one thing.
		Only someone as corruptized as you could call one as anointed as I evil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So you speak personally with God, do you?
unidentified		Yes.
		There's briefings daily.
		Briefings up to the minute?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Really?
unidentified		Yes?
		You must have some sort of direct communication.
		He reveals to me the new revelation, which, like, Mr. Falwell refused to accept it, so he's in hell.
		Pat Robertson's a good guy.
		I'm working on him, but he's going to go to hell.
		And so Brother Michael Diamond's going to go to hell.
		Everybody who doesn't accept my new revelation, because I talk directly with the Lord, our God, on the other hand.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You were, hey, Jay-Z, you were really wearing out your fingers trying to get on with Brother Diamond, weren't you?
unidentified		You know I was.
		That blasphemer heretic, no good sleep-bitten mongrel.
		I had to speak to him again.
		I had to put him in his place.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, Jay-Z.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much for the call.
		Back to the boiling pits.
		What an address.
		What an address of sewage.
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
		Hello.
unidentified		Well, hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
		How are you?
		Quite well.
unidentified		I'm on the air now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You are?
unidentified		I was just listening to JC.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes, you were.
unidentified		Thankfully, we were.
		Interesting.
		I was actually, I'm surprised to get through.
		I've tried calling several times and I'm dialing from the cell phone as I work as a security guard right now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now you're through, so go right ahead.
unidentified		Yeah, well, I haven't even really heard much of what your program was talking about.
		I was calling to really test to see if the number would work.
		So here I am.
		My name's Phil.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Phil, the number works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, 1-800 boiling pits of sewage.
unidentified		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, Phil, is that it?
		I mean, it works.
		I mean, is there anything else I can do for you?
unidentified		Well, no, now that I have you here, or you have me, I just wanted to compliment you on your show.
		It's really fairly recently that I began listening, and I find you and all the people who do Coast to Coast really quite Intriguing, interesting, and mostly very respectful of people who differ.
		And of course, case in point would be our friend who just departed the phone line there.
		Yes.
		Even tolerating that is a really wonderful thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, for a long time, thank you.
		People have thought Jay-Z was a put-on.
		You know, which for all I know, he might be, but I mean, he's not an intentional put-on.
		In other words, there's no setup about it.
		There never has been.
		I don't.
		Well, as you can clearly see, and he just clearly, that last caller actually proved, at least I don't screen calls, and so you're just, boom, you're on the air.
		it's kind of like a giant crapshoot we have Let me count them.
		One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, nine real lines, ten total, but nine calling lines.
		So with millions of people out there, it's a giant crap chute.
		And I suppose somebody's got to be on JC's side so you can get in like that.
		International line, you are on the air.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Morning.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well, sir.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Turn your radio off, please.
unidentified		You can turn the radio off.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Somebody's got to be on the air.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
unidentified		Am I. On the air?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
unidentified		Okay.
		I just wanted to let you know that guy, JC, was definitely not speaking the truth.
		Of course, I'm sure everybody knows that.
		But I was going to say if anybody wanted to know the truth about the bees, about the wars, and wait, if you know the truth about the bees, don't hold back.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell me.
unidentified		Well, if anybody wants to know the truth about the bees, they need to call this number, right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, don't give any numbers out on the air.
unidentified		I can't give the numbers?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you can't.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, you absolutely cannot.
unidentified		No, if you know the truth about the bees, just give it to me.
unidentified		Well, the bees are dying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're like a guy, an author who comes on, and, you know, I ask him to talk about what's in his book, and he says, well, it's in the book.
		Don't tell me what it is.
		It's what you're like.
		Tell me what it is.
		What's the truth about the bees?
unidentified		Well, the plants are being genetically modified.
		The trees are being genetically modified.
		And they're carrying the bacteria of E. coli in the genetics of the trees.
		You understand what I'm saying?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I hear what you're saying.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What proof do you have that that's what's killing the bees?
unidentified		Well, there's undeniable proof.
		There's a lot of different scientific studies that have been done that show that there's E. coli in the plants that have been genetically modified.
		And when those bees go out and they don't come back is because when they go and pollinate these plants that are genetically modified, they're picking up the E. coli bacteria along with the genetic modification that's getting into their immune systems and causing their immune systems to fail.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		So it's not like they're pollinating pot plants and then going, oh, wow, man, I forget where the hive is.
unidentified		No.
		No.
		Well, God is actually causing this to occur to himself.
		And what I was going to say is that if people want to know the truth, then they need to contact the house of Yahweh.
		All right.
		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you very much.
		But he was about to give his phone number, and we can't allow that on the air.
		I don't know.
		There may be something to what he says.
		You never know about the genetic modifications that are going on to our crops and how they might affect those, you know, like bees that pollinate the crops.
		It could well be.
		It could well be.
		It could be some sort of pesticide.
		It could be a lot of different things.
		What I am shocked about is that we don't know yet.
		We still don't know.
		Don't you think by now we ought to know what's going on with the bees?
		First time caller line, you're on the air.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
unidentified		How are you?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Very well.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		Bart, I heard you talking about analog and digital cell phones.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Yes, sir.
		I record a lot of material for rock bands, hip-hop bands, different music.
		And recently I've changed all over to digital.
		And I read about analog recordings giving off positive ionic charges in their wavelength and how solid state and digital gives off negative charges.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, that may or may not be.
		What I was trying to get through, aside from what you're talking about, is that the analog was substantially clearer than the digital.
		And when they went away from analog, of course, they divided up the bandwidth and gave it to the very narrow digital service, which now sounds like, well, crap.
unidentified		It sounds terrible.
		And I think that it's possible that the negative source in the wavelength in digital is part of the reason that maybe record sales have gone down.
		Maybe the sense of euphoria and the magic, so to speak, in the music has been lost.
		Because I'm only 30 years old, but when I listen to analog recordings from the past, I always sort of get lost and they seem more magical.
		And it always sort of, my mind fills in more information.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you and I are talking about different things, but I don't dismiss at all what you're saying.
		There was a warmth to analog recordings.
		Even a little bit of a lot of musicians, for example, still love to use the old tube amplifiers because they get a sort of a warm distortion from them that you don't get from a new digital amp.
unidentified		Art, do you think, I agree with you.
		Do you think that digital recording has actually hurt the art form?
		Do you think it's hurt people's sense of euphoria when listening to a record?
		Do you think a classic record could be made on digital?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I take nothing away from what you're saying.
		I think what you're saying has merit.
		That's it.
		But you and I are talking about different things.
		It's the amount of bandwidth.
		If they would give more bandwidth space and get a higher digital rate.
unidentified		And that's the reason why I mentioned it, because someone explained to me recently that analog can record more information than digital can at this time.
		And so you got me thinking about what I do with my living.
		And I just wanted to know what your opinion was, because I know that you've been around analog for so many years.
		And I'd like to know: do you, are there digital recordings that you enjoy?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		But they're at a much higher bit rate.
		What I'm trying to explain is that, for example, on a cell phone, the bit rate is so damn low because the space available for each phone conversation is so small.
		And the companies are so damn stingy with their bandwidth that it all sounds like crap.
unidentified		Yeah, I never like being on the cell phone too much, even though I'm on it every day, because it seems so impersonal.
		The amount of information that you can hear alone is just so minimal.
		It's hard for me to have a real conversation on something unless I hear some kind of body in the actual conversation.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		Thank you so very much.
		I couldn't agree more with you.
		You've got a good point with what you're saying, and of course, I do with the bandwidth.
		And if they would correct both of those, it'd be like the good old days, which probably are never going to come again.
		Goodbye, birds, bees, and whatever all else.
		I'm Art Bell.
		Yoho Lynn McTaggart, coming forward, award-winning author of five books, including the recently released best-selling The Intention, Experiments, and the Field.
		She is an internationally recognized spokesperson on the science of spirituality and also co-executive director of Kanatus, I guess that's it, which publishes the UK's most well-respected health and spiritual newsletters and online information, including what doctors don't tell you.
		Recently, Lynn starred rather in the cult movie What the Bleep, actually the full version down the rabbit hole.
		She also runs worldwide living the field masterclasses and groups designed to help people adapt the ideas of the new scientific paradigm into their everyday lives.
		As co-executive director of Kanatus plc, the UK's most successful publisher of health newsletters, www.wdty.com, and editor of What Doctors Don't Tell You, she has become an international spokesperson on alternatives to conventional medicine.
		So coming up in a moment on one of my favorite subjects, a tempting subject for me, Lynn McTaggart.
		All the way from Great Britain, here comes Lynn McTaggart.
		Welcome, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how you doing, all right?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm doing very well indeed.
		And I'm really looking forward to this program.
		As you know, you and I think very similar thoughts.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		And I know you've been doing some intention experiments over the years.
		So it'll be fun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I have.
		I certainly have.
		You say, or it's on the sheet here, that you've been conducting the largest mind-over-matter experiments in history with the greatest minds in consciousness research.
		So obviously, what are you doing?
		Why are you doing it?
		And how's it going?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let me start with why I'm doing this in the first place.
		I did a book called The Field, as you know, and that resulted from speaking to a lot of frontier scientists around the world to try to understand why things like spiritual healing and acupuncture work.
		I kept thinking to myself, if somebody can send a thought to someone else to make them better, then something about the way the world works is really incomplete.
		You know, our understanding is really incomplete.
		And the reason I went to speak to all these frontier physicists was really to find out why and if there was an alternate view of our workings and the world's workings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's break it up a little bit.
		Excuse me for interrupting, but you mentioned two things.
		One is being able to heal with mind power, and the other is acupuncture.
		I sort of, in my mind, separate those.
		Acupuncture seems to be as much a physical science as anything else, but healing with intention or prayer is another matter.
		Now, it's very controversial, and I'd like to know how sure you are that it's real.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		When I say I was seeing stuff about the stuff working, I meant actual randomized double-blind trials.
		Because of my work with the medical newsletter, What Doctors Don't Tell You, I study medical literature every week.
		I study scientific studies of what works and what doesn't.
		And I look very critically at alternative and conventional medicine when it doesn't work.
		But there were a lot of good studies, particularly of spiritual healing.
		I'm completely convinced it works because there's 150 good studies showing that.
		And even skeptics who have studied and done reviews of the reviews have to admit that there's a wealth of evidence demonstrating this stuff works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I've heard some critics of it saying the experiments were not as controlled as the people who were criticizing them would have had them be.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, as I say, there was one review, what they call a meta-analysis, of all the big studies of spiritual healing, and they found, they felt that 57% were actually effective and well done.
		And so that was, and these are real skeptics looking at this, so that meant that the bulk of the evidence was right.
		So I think that if you look at something like that, the sheer number certainly suggests that spiritual healing works.
		And there have been some good studies that I've looked at, individual studies, that are very, very compelling.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Can you quote perhaps some of your favorite studies and tell us how they came out?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		My favorite study of all is Elizabeth Targ's study of AIDS patients.
		And the reason I like this one is, and this is one of the ones that's been criticized, but I personally like it because she had healers all across America.
		So it wasn't just one group of healers.
		She had terminal AIDS patients in the 80s before protease inhibitors, You know, the life-saving drugs.
		And so these were people who had a death sentence, basically.
		And she divided them in half and had the half prayed for by different healers, well, healers sent healing intention.
		And as I say, each patient was moved along every week to another healer.
		So you couldn't say it was just one healer.
		But at the end of it, all of the patients who were sent healing intention were far, far better off, and the mortality rates were much better off than the ones who were not sent intention.
		And she did it again.
		She replicated her own study and got good results again.
		So I think that's a really interesting one because the healers weren't even in the same room.
		All they had of the patients was their name, their picture, and their T cell counts.
		And there still was very interesting results.
		So I think it's very compelling, the evidence.
		Having said that, I still think there's a lot more we need to know.
		And that's one of the reasons why I'm doing these intention experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is it that you have done?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, in looking at, when I finished my book, The Field, there was a lot of interesting, sort of, there was some unfinished business.
		And the main unfinished business was this whole idea of mind affecting physical matter.
		You know, that certainly seemed to be the suggestion from a lot of studies of people like Robert John and many of the other kinds of people, Dean Raden, that you featured on your shows over the years.
		But I kept thinking, well, okay, how much can we use this for?
		What can we use this for?
		How far can we go?
		You know, can I stand in the middle of a train track and stop a train with my thoughts?
		And also, is there a sort of threshold effect?
		Is there, you know, if lots of minds are thinking the same thing at the same time, does that increase the effect?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'd like to know that myself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you tried the train experiment?
unidentified		No.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Not yet.
		We're going to start with the ground floor art, but a little bit easier than that.
		But maybe that will be on the agenda at some point.
		But this is all the things we wanted to know.
		We wanted to find out, you know, if we get more and more people involved, does the effect get stronger?
		And so those are the kinds of things that we want to do.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Have you come to any conclusion about that yet?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, we've had some interesting preliminary conclusions.
		One is we've had the same experiment done by a group of 400 people who were conference attendees and had spent the weekend together.
		And so they were kind of a focused and coherent group.
		And we also had one experiment with more than 7,000 people all over the world from 30 countries focusing on the same thing.
		And we had a similar reaction.
		We had a similar response.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What were you trying to do?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, in these initial experiments, remember we wanted to start from the ground floor.
		I mean, our ideas are ultimately to have philanthropic type targets.
		So it's not about winning the lottery or anybody getting rich.
		It's about sending an intention to fix something in the world that's not in a good place or heal something.
		And so when I went to the scientists, remember, I'm not a scientist.
		I'm just a science writer.
		But I know a lot of these scientists very well.
		And I asked if they would like to participate.
		So one of our first scientists is, I worked with Fritz Albert Popp on an experiment I'll explain in a while.
		And I also have worked with psychologist Dr. Gary Schwartz at the University of Arizona.
		He's been running our first experiments.
		And the idea was to have a target, some measurable scientific target in the laboratory, in this case in Arizona, and invite all of my readers to come online and send an intention to that target all at the same moment.
		So we started with real ground floor stuff.
		When I did my first, very first experiment, which was with Fritz Albert Popp, he said, well, we're going to do this with algae.
		And I was really depressed about this.
		I was really deflated because, you know, I want to save people from burning buildings.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hear you, but it's fine.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What was the idea with the algae?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, the algae, the reason he started with algae was that he said, he started with single-celled organisms.
		And he said any change could be measured.
		And what he wanted to look at was, Pop is the person who's credited with discovering the fact that tiny particles of light come out of all living things.
		You know, that all living things send out a tiny little current of light.
		It's called biophoton emissions.
		And he wanted to see whether or not this intention could affect that light, because that's a really subtle measurement, much more than some other change in the body or among a living thing.
		So in our first experiment, I got together, this was just a pilot experiment, I got 16 experienced meditators sitting in London, where I am, and Pop's laboratory is in Germany.
		And he had two kinds of algae there.
		And then we decided to have two more targets so we could just test this.
		So he got a plant, a jade plant, and he also got a person.
		And we decided we were going to stress all four targets.
		Because when you do something, when you stress something, their light emissions actually go up.
		And we wanted to see if we could lower them, you know, heal them, basically.
		So we put a pin through one of the leaves.
		We put vinegar in the medium of the two algae.
		And with a woman, we gave her three cups of coffee.
		And so they were all very stressed.
		And we sat them in situations where he's got a lot of equipment that can count photon by photon coming out of these living things.
		And we had the meditators send intention in a zigzag effect, you know, 10 minutes on, 10 minutes off.
		And the scientists did not know when we were sending intention.
		It was over a six-hour period.
		We sent intention two of those six hours.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Now, again, let me understand.
		The algae, the person, they were all stressed in one way or the other.
		And so they gave off more of this measurable light.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And our intention was to lower it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		To lower it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, to calm the plants or people.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		Exactly.
		Now, I have to say, Pop was very, very, very skeptical that this was going to work.
		He kept saying to me, listen, Lynn, this is a little bit strange.
		And so we did our intention, and as I say, they didn't know when we were sending it.
		And afterward, when he did all his calculations, and remember his equipment can count it photon by photon, he found that there was a significant effect on all four targets.
		And he was blown away.
		And in fact, one of his scientists who's been studying the effect of a healer in a room doing healing found that it was a very similar effect in what happened to the light, that the light had changed in all of these living things very similarly to the light, the kind of change that occurs when a healer is sending healing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, may I ask how much change there was, and did it in fact coincide with your random 10-minute intervals?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		It completely.
		What he was looking for was what was happening in the heal, let's say when we were running energy, let's call it that.
		When we were running energy or sending healing, on those 10-minute intervals, there was a definite change from the times we were not sending intention.
		And that's what he was looking at.
		He was comparing the two.
		And he found that when he, you know, scientists do all sorts of statistical analysis and they look at bell curves and all sorts of things.
		And he found that there were real differences in the bell curves when we were sending intentions versus when we were not sending intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How long a period, how many 10-minute segments did you do?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		We did, I think, nine of them.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Nine?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		We had to take half-hour breaks because of his equipment.
		So from the half an hour to the hour, we were never sending intention.
		We were always sending it over the half hour to the hour to the half hour.
		So within that six-hour period, we sent, I think we sent it four times.
		Actually, it was two on, one off within each half-hour period.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		So I guess that's six.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		We did six.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and then so you, and then when you went back, you matched them up precisely.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And did he give you any concept of how much change he was able to measure?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		What he found, what he said was there was a significant difference and that there was a change in the light.
		It's not like there were more photons or there were fewer photons.
		The change was different from what occurred, significantly different from what occurs normally, you know, with something that is stressed and how it calms down.
		It had changed and I guess it was quicker.
		He also said that there was a difference in the quality of the light.
		When you mapped it on his sort of statistical analysis, something that had altered, and as I say, it's hard to explain this for a layperson.
		It's what they call the skewness of the data.
		The bell curves had shifted significantly, and there were differences in the way it was being sent.
		So that he saw that the light had changed significantly, that there was something different in the number and in the kind of light, basically.
		And as I say, what was very interesting to the scientists is that it was absolutely similar to the kinds of changes they had witnessed when they were measuring light coming from a healer to a patient.
		And that in the same room.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, that's pretty remarkable.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It was pretty remarkable when you think about, you know, we were 300 miles away.
		But then we decided we wanted to do this on a bigger scale.
		And that's really been the point of the intention experiments, to try to also take it out of the idea of experienced meditators.
		I had people who have meditated for five years or more who were working with me.
		And so I wanted to look much more at, as I say, the threshold effect and real targets outside of algae and also looking at sort of working up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lynn, we are talking about the quantum world here, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, we're talking about the quantum world.
		We're talking about very subtle effects that occur in the quantum world from all living things.
		But we're not going to just do this.
		You know, we're working on other ideas with our experiments.
		But we have to, as all the scientists tell me, start with the ground floor.
		First you have to show an effect, any effect.
		And then you can work up from there and start working, trying to change temperature or try to change, I mean, that's one of our ideas is to try to create a little mini world, a little mini Gaia, you know, like a little terrarium, and raise the temperature and see if our collective intention can lower the temperature, because that would have a lot of implications for something like global warming.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It certainly would.
		Voyager would.
		You know, it's incredibly tempting, Lynn, to try something in that arena.
		You know, I think we've talked before about my reservations in this whole area.
		And I only have reservations, Lynn, because I know it works.
		You know, the experiments I've done, perhaps foolishly at first, worked really well.
		And that caused me to pause.
		This is real.
		There's no question about it.
		It's real.
		But I don't know enough about it yet.
		Do you?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's why we're doing very simple targets.
		Exactly.
		I don't want to, you know, I would love to heal cancer victims, but I don't know what the effect is of having a million people send an intention all at the same time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		You know, we could blow that person up.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I hope not, but you never know.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you don't know, and that's why we have to test it, and that's why I'm trying to do it under, you know, scientific conditions, very rigid scientific conditions.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, I presume you went on from algae.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		We went on from algae.
		I mean, we've gone up a step, and I decided to work with another lab.
		I mean, one of the things with our intention experiments is we don't want to just stay with one lab.
		We've got four or five scientists, you know, besides Dr. Pop, Gary Schwartz, Dean Radin, Rupert Sheldrake, the biologist, Konstantin Kurotkov, the physicist in Russia.
		And we're going to be using different labs and different targets so that we get a sense that this is working and it's not just the anomalous results of one lab.
		But the next thing we started to do was I talked to Dr. Gary Schwartz.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're at the bottom of the arrow already.
		By the way, I was very sorry to hear Pear at Princeton closed doors, but I guess they did as much as they could do.
		Lynn McTaggart, hold tight.
		We're talking this night about intention.
		Maybe one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful, force in the world.
		Here I am, Lynn McTaggart, all the way from London, England.
		Her book is The Intention Experiment.
		Using your thoughts to change your life and the world.
		Maybe that is what can be done with intention, and maybe we better hope so.
		Her experiment was, what did she say, 300 miles away in Germany?
		I don't think distance is a factor, but that's an awfully good question, one we'll ask in a moment.
		All right.
		Lynn was about to describe the next experiment.
		But before that, you mentioned 300 miles.
		Lynn, is there any indication at all that the number of miles, the distance, makes any difference at all?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
		Absolutely not.
		That's the interesting thing about some of these experiments so far.
		Not only does distance not matter, it doesn't matter whether people are, the people doing the intention are all sitting in the same room or whether they're scattered all around.
		And that's what we're looking at and we'll be testing in all kinds of ways.
		But the experiments we've done so far certainly show that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		The next one you did.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, the next one we did, we wanted to try again a group in a room.
		So we decided to use the attendees of one of our conferences in London.
		We had 400 people there.
		And this time I wanted to work with Gary Schwartz.
		And Gary, once again, you know, he keeps quoting the movie Contact at me.
		And he keeps saying, baby steps, Ellie, baby steps.
		And by that he means, you know, as I say, I want to have great big targets.
		And he says, no, we've got to start with the ground floor.
		We've got to do stuff that are really simple and replicate them.
		And then we will convince the scientific community.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I agree.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		So what he decided to do was just take two geranium leaves.
		He wanted to do something that would replicate and also improve on Dr. Popp's first study with me.
		So he took two geranium leaves because this time he said, instead of doing the on-off idea that I talked about earlier, we want to have it a control.
		So we'll have one leaf that's sent in tension and one leaf that's not sent in tension.
		So he had, and you know, when you go through these scientific things, his lab people spend four hours preparing these leaves before we do the experiment.
		So this is, you know, there is a meticulous 50-step process that goes on.
		But what happened there is they prepared the leaves and they put 16 holes in each leaf.
		They made sure that these two leaves were matched so that they both had exactly the same amount or very close to the same amount of biophoton emissions coming out.
		And then we in our audience, he put a webcam on both of them.
		They did not know which one we chose.
		We flipped a coin over here in London and we chose one of the leaves.
		We put it up on a PowerPoint screen so all of our audience could see it.
		And we all sent intention for 10 minutes.
		Now this time, Gary and I talked a lot about what intention should we do.
		Should we make it lower or should we make it higher?
		And we thought, well, let's try increasing the light.
		Let's just see what happens if we can, because people can imagine that easier.
		You know, if we tell them, make the leaf glow, that will be easier.
		So that was our instructions.
		We told the audience, we want you to make this leaf glow and glow.
		And that's what they sent the intentions to.
		And then afterward, Gary's interesting because Gary's got CCD cameras, which are the kinds of cameras that record very, very faint light coming from outer space.
		Highly, highly sensitive cameras.
		So he then put the two leaves under the two cameras, still not knowing which one we did, and took readings and also could photograph the light.
		So this equipment is so great.
		It can count photons by photon, but it can also create photographs, images of the biophoton emissions coming out of these leaves.
		And Schwartz has done lots and lots of studies showing that.
		Afterward, he called me up excitedly.
		I broke the code and told him which leaf we'd chosen.
		I think it was leaf one.
		He calls me up.
		He says, you won't believe this.
		There's such a significant difference between the two leaves.
		There's almost a neglect effect with the control leaf.
		The leaf sent intention is truly glowing.
		You can see it.
		So that the holes, and I'm saying you can see it not with the naked eye, but with the imaging equipment.
		The holes that we punched in are actually glowing with light.
		The ones, the punched holes in the control leaf are black.
		So there was that kind of a difference between The two leaves.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's big.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It was very, very big.
		I mean, it sounds like a very tiny target, but in terms of scientific credibility, this is life-changing.
		So Dr. Schwartz is in the midst of putting together materials to publish.
		He's sending this to a scientific journal to publish.
		And we're also working on replicating this.
		So every time I do a talk, we're getting the audience involved in doing a similar experiment so that we can try it from different places.
		Like I'm going to Australia in two weeks, we'll do it from there.
		We have a group of 600.
		And this summer I'm coming to Los Angeles.
		We'll do it from there.
		But the other thing that we're doing is also inviting the scattered readers around the country to come on my website and do the same thing.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What about the numbers of people involved in projecting intent?
		What about the difference between 1 and 400 and 1 and 1 million?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, so far, we've only run several experiments on the internet.
		We've run three.
		And we found that the effect seems to be about the same.
		Now, this is only the result of one good study demonstrating that the effect of about 7,000 people creates an effect about as large as 400 people in the same room.
		So there may be, we don't know yet.
		This is what we have to look at.
		But there may be a threshold effect because we had another study where there was just about 1,000 people and they were scattered all around.
		We didn't have a significant effect.
		Now we don't know yet.
		This is a question of pose.
		But it certainly seems to be the case that a group in one room that's a highly focused group that have this kind of coherence will have the same power as a much larger group that are scattered around the world.
		That seems to be the case.
		Whether or not it's going to get larger with more people, now the next thing we want to test is, for instance, when I go to Australia, there will be 600 people who are very experienced at meditating and visualization.
		So we'll see if their effect is stronger than our 400 people in London.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or the difference between practiced meditators and people just joining in, for example, this audience.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, we don't know yet, but it seems to be, based on the stuff that I've studied on intention, that I talk about in the intention experiment, the book, is that masters of intention, like Buddhist monks and Qigong masters and healers, need a highly focused state.
		They all start with a very, very focused state.
		They start with meditation.
		However, most of them have learned ways to focus the mind that really is, in a sense, going into hyperspace, is the way I put it.
		Their minds don't slow down when they're sending intention.
		They're speeding up.
		They're actually working at a very, very rapid rate.
		So monks that have been studied in this state actually, instead of being in an alpha state, which is the brain waves have slowed down to a state of sort of light dreaming, they're in a gamma state, which is the fastest the brain can work.
		It's a brain working at absolute rapt attention.
		So what I'm really saying is that it looks like for the kind of people who can do amazing things with intention, like somebody who can change their, you know, their body temperature extremely or their metabolism like a Buddhist monk, that has to be a mind at rapt attention.
		So this is why a meditator may have a better effect, an experienced meditator.
unidentified		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I say if we were to attempt an experiment with an audience as large as this one, what would you have in mind?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I would probably, some of the experiments we're looking at right now might be kind of fun.
		We're looking at this Gaia idea where we're creating an echosphere, basically, with plants and animals.
		And we would want to see if we can change the temperature.
		Or we're working on a water purification one where we want to see if we can change water pH, you know, the acidity or alkalinity of the water.
		That would have very interesting implications for, you know, pollution, whether or not we can change that.
		We're looking at also human studies where we're seeing what happens to someone.
		This is something we're going to be doing with Dean Raden and Rupert Sheldrake.
		Raden's lab in Ions in California has all kinds of equipment, and we would like to hook up somebody and, you know, measuring their heart rate, their brain waves, the blood going to their extremities, their respiration, all that kind of equipment.
		And we could just see whether sending intention affects that and how much it affects it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Maybe I'm paranoid, but here's what I worry about.
		You said, for example, changing the pH of some water.
		Okay.
		Suppose, and we can probably muster several many million people here.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But what if, instead of changing the pH in the target water, we change the pH in the ocean?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, those are the kinds of things I worry about.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Well, we would have to, I agree.
		We would have to be very careful in how we specify where the intention is.
		We'd have to let everybody know.
		I mean, what we tend to do is we ask people to go through a set of exercises so that I get people who are very, very motivated.
		What we could do is actually have people sign up and not get the target.
		They have to come through your website.
		So they have to know a little bit more about it, and It's not just people sort of sending intention willy-nilly.
		That's one idea.
		That's what we do.
		So people have to be highly motivated.
		They have to read the instructions.
		And the other thing that's been very complicated is getting over the technological stuff.
		One of our biggest challenges is not proving intention, but working on a computer system that is powerful enough to have thousands of people looking at the same image on screen all at the same time.
		I mean, that's been our biggest challenge.
		So you'd want to work on something where people could stare at the same image and have your millions of people stare at a picture or even have a situation where you've downloaded it onto their phone or downloaded it to their computer.
		That's another way of doing it, too.
		Because the scientists so far have wanted them to look at some sort of image and all be looking at it at exactly the same moment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Why do you think they want that?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, they're operating from certain hypotheses, Art.
		And one of them, I mean, what we had to do with our leaf one, and we tried, the one we did on the web had to do with little seeds.
		We did seeds instead of a leaf.
		And we had a live image refreshing all the time because Dr. Schwartz's hypothesis was that people had to connect with something live, you know, a live image of that.
		They're now wondering whether or not just a photo of it will work just as well.
		And certainly that was the case with us sending intention from London.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm not sure you need even that, Lynn.
		I'm not sure you need that.
		You may be able to just it may be a lot like remote viewing in the sense that I believe remote viewers can assign a random number and as long as the control knows what the target is, it's all okay.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think that's true too.
		I mean, with algae, our target with Germany, the algae, I took a photo of the, when I went to Germany, I took a photo of algae in Dr. Pop's office, and I took a photo of the plant, the actual jade plant, and I had a photo of the woman we sent the intention to, too.
		But when I showed this to my meditators when we were doing our experiment, I didn't have the algae.
		I only had algae, you know, algae in his office.
		And I also, in his lab, I had a picture of his lab.
		So in a sense, they had a place to zoom in on because they had a photo of his lab and a photo of where he was and a photo of algae in his lab.
		So it may well be that the mind uses that as a coordinate.
		This is another scientific question to ask, and this is what I'm learning from working with these guys.
		You know, you can't assume anything.
		You just have to put it forward as a hypothesis and test it.
		And it may well be we don't need it, which would solve a lot of technological stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It would, yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Is there any indication that positive intention is any different than negative intention?
unidentified		Is it easier to know believe it or not?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That's the thing that's really amazing.
		I look at that a lot in my book.
		I wish there were, and I wish I could sort of say, yes, it's more powerful because that would make us all feel a lot better.
		But certainly there's been a lot of studies of negative intention using things like negative intention sent to things like bacteria or E. coli, you know, bacteria or yeast or things like that, because it's difficult to do a study of somebody sending negative intention to another person or an animal, a big animal or something.
		But what they found is that negative intention, usually when sent by a master, like a Qigong master, has just as powerful effect as positive intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Doesn't surprise me.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, not at all.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not sure that we're not chipping and working away at the basis of, for example, voodoo.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes, yes, yes, absolutely.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I mean, when those, you know, voodoos do things like point the bone, you know, that's in negative intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You bet.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		You know, send a curse to somebody.
		And there's a real big bunch of literature about that and folklore about it.
		But what I was mainly interested in was looking at lab studies of, you know, positive and negative intention.
		And of course, when somebody is sending, you know, when they're doing visualization to get rid of something like cancer, oftentimes they're imagining negative intention.
		You know, they're imagining that their good cells are wiping out the bad cells.
		And that's a form of negative intention.
		So that has been demonstrated to work.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, then you could kill healthy cells.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		You can kill healthy cells.
		But it's all about targeting it.
		And also, there's a school of thought that says that for something like cancer, you just ask for something.
		Your intention is returning to the natural order instead of trying to kill something.
		You send that intention out.
		And that's certainly there was one study showing that was the most powerful intention, and it worked better than a negative intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I'm not so sure that a lot of witches and voodoo types are not sort of sitting back listening to a lot of this, chuckling, going, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, they're beginning to prove scientifically what we're eons ahead of in doing ourselves.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I mean, the one thing that is, I think, a bit of comfort for us is that when you, again, there are a lot of conditions that I discovered in interviewing and studying intention masters and studying the science that makes intention work better.
		It's not just a case of sending out happy thoughts or sending out negative thoughts.
		There's a whole very controlled mind state that goes on for people to do the extraordinary with their minds and with intention.
		And the good news is that usually people who do this for a positive result, like a healer, Is very what they call coherent.
		You know, he's got a very focused mind state.
		He does a lot of processes that are highly rigorous.
		And usually, somebody who's just sending out negative intention doesn't have that kind of focus.
		There is, you know, certainly a Qigong master when he wants to send out destroying mind will be just as focused as when he's sending out healing mind.
		But for most of us out there, just having negative thoughts, they're not quite as coherent.
		So that is one bit of comfort we may have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What do we know about what intention actually is?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		You know, that's another great question because I started out thinking, you know, it's such a buzzword now.
		Even Jane Carter talks about mothering with intention.
		Everybody talks about intention.
		So that was one of the questions I wanted to ask.
		And I started out thinking of it as a kind of mental oomph.
		You know, the kind of intention when you're, you know, I've got two daughters, and when I watch my youngest, who's very sporty, playing, it's like my mind is on the ball.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		I've asked you a very big question with very little time.
		So hold tight, Lynn.
		We're already at the top of the hour.
		And when we get back, we will explore what we think intention actually is.
		This is just one of my favorite topics in all the world because I have a feeling this is a power beyond all imagination.
		We'll be right back.
		What is intention?
		Actually, it's a very good question.
		I'm not sure myself.
		I've experimented personally with a little bit of what I think intention is, and I'll talk more about that in a moment.
		But from Lynn, I'd like to get the explanation of what she believes it is, and that's coming up next.
		All right, Lynn, back to it.
		The question is, what is intention?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay, as I was saying at the top of the hour, Art, I used to think it was kind of a mental oomph, you know, where you're really focusing, some projection of awareness to a particular target with the idea of changing it.
		And that's certainly what we're doing in these intention experiments.
		But on a broader scale, when we talk about intention in our lives, I think it's all the flotsam and jetsam that's going through our minds most of the time.
		I think that, you know, your secret wishes, your life view, you know, if you tend to be an optimist or a pessimist, the way you look at the world ends up becoming your life's intention, I think.
		I think that becomes the thing you are projecting out to the world all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a very broad view, yes.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, it is, and I think the reason I think that is because we certainly know, you know, we talked before about these biophoton emissions.
		We know we're beaming out light all the time.
		We're a bit like a television transmission center or a radio transmission, you know, station and a radio all at the same time.
		We are beaming out little particles of light.
		We're also picking up from our environment at every moment.
		There have been a lot of studies showing that living things are sending and receiving light all the time in a synchronicity fashion.
		So we're picking up all the time.
		We're picking up and we're receiving.
		And so if we are walking down the street and we're thinking to ourselves and we're thinking negative thoughts and we're making judgments, et cetera, et cetera, people around us are picking up that stuff.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, here's something I tried, Lynn.
		See if this falls into the right category.
		I can't remember what guest it was, Lynn, but somebody told me, when you go to bed at night, when you're lying in bed, before you go to sleep, just imagine white light washing down over your body from head to toe.
		I mean, really concentrate on, you can almost see it, actually, and you sort of immerse yourself in this white light.
		And by God, Lynn, I've tried it, and now I've tried it many times, and it really does work.
		Now, I'm not sure what I'm doing.
		I think it's intention at work.
		I'm working on myself.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Do you feel better from it?
unidentified		Yes.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Okay.
		Well, that is like a, I mean, many, many healers talk about imagining that kind of white light as a healing light and, you know, oftentimes talk to people about targeting it if they have something, you know, if they have something physically wrong with them or they have some sort of disease or something hurts or whatever.
		And that's a very fundamental and basic, you know, healing effect.
		And I think, you know, it's an example of the mind's power to focus.
		And that's also a great focusing technique to just imagine one thing.
		You know, lots of healers talk about, or intention masters talk about using an anchor for your mind.
		And that anchor can be a mantra, like they use in transcendental meditation, or it can be a sound, or it can be your breathing, or it can be an image, like white light.
		Anything like that is great mind focus.
		And that's part of the thing we're talking about when I say, you know, you really have to kind of power up with intention.
		You have to create a huge stillness through meditation, but then high degree of focus.
		And just thinking about one thing, whether it's white light or a tone or whatever, is really one of the ways to do that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I've got a really, really bad back, and it just occurred to me I should be trying it on that.
		I just did it sort of as a general, you know, washing it over my body and got a definite sense of well-being, and it made me feel good.
		So it sort of worked.
		Or it was my own mind.
		You know, who knows?
		But it seemed to work, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Definitely.
		Now, you know, another interesting thing, Art, is that I've been asking for a lot of feedback from the readers when they've sent these online intention experiments, you know, when they've all got together doing it as a group.
		And there are amazing responses about what's going on with them physically when they're working with a group to send intention, even though the group's scattered around the world.
		They've said they've felt amazing things in their body, they felt a kind of tingling, they felt a connection and identification with the target, but there have been amazing effects.
		And so it's just one other example of just this kind of focus or feeling other people's energy too, and how you can sense that.
		So I think, you know, any kind of intention like this can end up having this kind of physical effect you felt.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know that a lot of people listen to this, and if they're just kind of listening casually, Lynn, they think it sounds like a bunch of new age foo-foo, but it's not.
		I mean, there really is something to this, and I really want to be able to nail it down.
		And obviously, you do too, and that's why you're doing real scientific experiments.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, I want to just put up the flag to Art and say there's nothing much woo-woo about me.
		I've spent my life looking at evidence for medicine, what works and what doesn't work in conventional and alternative medicine.
		And people certainly know me as somebody who can be highly skeptical if I don't see the proof.
		And that was really what I was looking for with intention is I actually don't like the kind of fuzzy and woo-woo-y way of dealing with intention and using it as a buzzword.
		I wanted to really nail it down too.
		And that's why I want to do these intention experiments.
		We want to find out, you know, there's so much compelling evidence, you know, and I've looked at this and I've reported on this in my book.
		There's so much compelling evidence that intention is an actual power we can measure.
		And it's been measured in the lab.
		It's got, you know, it's an energy.
		And there's no doubt in my mind from this evidence that a thought is not only a thing, as everybody says, but a thing that can affect other things.
		And there's huge amounts of evidence for it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		What is Dean Raden doing now?
		I mean, PERA is closed down, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Pears closed down really because Robert John and Brenda Dunn, who ran it for 25, 30 years, just wanted to retire, not because of, you know, lack of funding.
		They felt they had done their work.
		And they have done, you know, theirs was all the work on the REG machines.
		Dean Raden is working with the Institute of Nuetic Sciences in California, and he's running all kinds of experiments.
		And in fact, he and I are going to run some experiments together.
		He's the one who's going to do the human targets with me.
		And we've talked about doing some of them.
		We would like to do, for instance, an experiment with children with attention deficit, because you can measure attention.
		That's an easy one to measure.
		And you could see whether or not sending intention to these children could make them focus a bit more.
		Or we've talked about doing Alzheimer's, doing Alzheimer's victim, try to help him, you know, say take an Alzheimer's person and help him get back to his room and almost set it up on our, you know, set it up on the website as almost as like a computer experiment where we're moving.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's really pretty wild, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think it would be absolutely brilliant, Art.
		I think it would be fantastic.
		What we could do is set up an experiment that isn't going to affect a human target because we don't know enough yet.
		And we could have a negative effect, as I say.
		And we will do something very simple.
		I can talk with Dean about this, and we'll talk about it further.
		We can do it simple where we're just sending a loving intention to something and see if it changes.
		Now, you could just do that to water, for instance, and see if the water molecules change.
		That would be one possibility.
		You could try just some simple thing of you could try also maybe measuring, lowering a crime rate so it's not something where you're going to change nature and create a tidal wave as you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, I hear that was.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wasn't that actually done, Lynn, in Washington, D.C.?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was one other reason I wanted to try it.
		That was done with 48 cities in America.
		That was the Transcendental Meditation Group have looked at this a lot.
		What they've looked at, though, is just the effect of meditation.
		Their claim is that when a certain percentage of the population meditate in a certain area, the crime rate goes down.
		So that's not sending an intention.
		It's not anybody trying to change something else.
		It's just people getting into a focused mind state.
		And they say if there's a square root of 1% of the population, the crime rate will go down.
		So it'd be really interesting to see if actually sending an intention to an area to make the crime rate go down actually works.
		Or trying to lower mortality in an area or something like that where you're not targeting an individual and not trying to change the natural world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, the way the natural world is going right now, it's going to need some change.
unidentified		Yeah.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's ultimately our interest and target.
		I've got a lot of ecological plans.
		As I say, we might start with our little mini echosphere and just see if we can do some slight climate change with it, with our thoughts, if we ask our readers to send intention.
		But as you said, you want to be careful about it because if you've got millions of people on the air trying to do that, we don't know what effect we're going to have yet.
		So we have to test it in a really controlled way with an Echosphere.
		Now, we could try all of your readers with the Echosphere.
		We just have to make sure that they focus there.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's something I think we could do.
		I really like that idea.
		The Echosphere idea is a good one.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, we have a company we're approaching to create this.
		So now here's one of the things, as I say, we have to think about is the idea of how you would have people looking at the image because our scientists want everybody to be sending Intention at the same time.
		What we've done with our experiments so far with our readers is we've had everybody come via our internet site.
		And it means we've even had a countdown where people watch the countdown and they start sending intention at exactly that time.
		The last experiment we ran, I had to hire nine servers.
		I had to work with a company that uses the server power for PopIdol, which is the UK equivalent of American Idol, so that if millions of people participated, we would have enough server power.
		And in the first few minutes, our server power was full.
		We had that many people trying to get on it all at the same time.
		So we'd have to get around the idea of them coming on the website.
		We could try doing something where we download an image.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm talking about doing it right on the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If you had an Echosphere, for example, where the temperature, humidity levels, pH levels, if there was water involved, and so forth and so on, all were being monitored.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We could do an experiment, and I don't think we'd need a picture for people to look at.
		We could simply tell them what it is, where it is, describe it, and in my opinion, direct intention with millions of minds.
		And I think we could knock your socks off, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think it's an absolutely brilliant idea, Art.
		And I think we could approach the person who's doing the Echosphere is Gary Schwartz.
		We could talk to him about it.
		And just, you know, I think he would be delighted.
		And I think it would be fascinating because we could compare the results of the millions who are participating from your show to the readers who are doing it via my internet site to a group that's just one of our conference attendees, so that's maybe 500, 600 people, and see if there's a bigger effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Tell Gary I am interested.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a fantastic idea.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		At least that's a good controlled experiment.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, if necessary, we could put a picture of the Echosphere up on the website for anybody and everybody to see, but I'm not convinced it's important.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		Well, we might just need – they may just need on your site and on my site a picture of Gary's lab.
		We could have the site – It's a problem of them having to stare at the same image at the same time.
		But we could work out all kinds of ways where, as I say, instead of having them come to the website, we can have the stuff go to them.
		So they just click on something and the image gets downloaded down to their computer.
unidentified		Right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We can do that.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Sounds great.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What is this retro intention?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You're talking about, I guess, going back, in other words, projecting intention into the past.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, I thought this is the most fascinating and troubling evidence that I've come across art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But it's not surprising, Lynn, if you look back at what they did at Pear and some of that work, a lot of it suggested that effects were taking place prior to events.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, that was the amazing thing about their work and many others with not only the intention but also remote viewing.
		They found they had just as good an effect when people were sending intention at, you know, when they were sitting in front of a computer and trying to change an image from one to another, sitting right there, and they'd have the same effect if they sent it three days before or three days after the thing.
		And I asked Robert John once about this, and he said, well, it's very simple, Lynn.
		Take time out of it, and it all makes sense.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, or yes.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Whoa.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Taking time out of it, you wrap your mind around that one.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
		But then I started looking into it, and I found a whole bunch of studies where they were testing a thing called retro intention.
		One of the most interesting ones was a prayer study.
		It was a study in Israel, and it was by a guy called Lebovici who actually wanted to show that alternative medicine doesn't work.
		So he thought, I'm going to think of the most outrageous experiment I can come up with.
		And he took a group of very sick patients who had blood infection, life-threatening blood infection, divided them in half, and did praying for one half of them.
		And he found, probably to his dismay, that the patients given the prayer were better in every way.
		They got out of the hospital quicker, all sorts of things like that.
		Much, much better.
		But the real killer of the study was that the patients were in the hospital between 1992 and 94.
		The prayer was sent in the year 2000, 16.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God, really?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And now he published this, and there was a huge, huge fur because what they, it was universally interpreted to mean that we can go back and change the past.
		So I was really interested in this, and I've started looking at a lot of studies like this, and people like Dean Radin and many others have run all kinds of studies.
		There have been all those REG experiments, too, where they've used, they've done things where they've run the equipment, in this case, audio equipment, and they've asked people to listen to the tapes after they've been run.
		And then they've measured the effects and found that the people listening to them had an effect, had some sort of retro effect in changing them.
		And I kept wondering about the mechanism for this.
		This is just really strange.
		And actually, Dean Raden and he has a counterpart in Holland, a guy called Dick Bierman, who have done a lot of interesting stuff about this.
		And what he's found is that he did a thing called a Markov chain, looking at REG studies.
		He wanted to See whether or not this mind influence is operating backward.
		And what he did was he ran a bunch of REG studies, and then he did a thing called a Markov chain, which is a mathematical analysis of how its output changes over time.
		And he found, he tried three different models of intention.
		You know, first one was like forward time, like the mind pushes the REG in one direction.
		The second was as what he'd called a precognitive influence, which is the mind works out the precise moment to hit the REG and it's, you know, to get a certain effect.
		And the third one was that the mind looks into the future and brings back this information to the present.
		Or finally, that the mind sets the future outcome and applies all the chain of events that will produce it backward in time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		God.
		All right.
		Listen, Lynn, hold tight.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		I wonder, folks, what would happen if millions of minds began to concentrate on giving Lee Harvey Oswald an unsteady hand?
		If we, millions of us, caused Lee Harvey Oswald to miss.
		Maybe it would all change and we wouldn't even know it.
		We'll be right back.
		Boy, I love that song.
		I really do.
		Good morning, everybody.
		Lynn McTaggart is my guest.
		We're talking about intention.
		And I said, and actually retro intention.
		And I said, well, how about giving Lee RV Oswald a shaky hand or causing him to miss?
		And Eric in Salt Lake City, Utah said, hey, maybe we did make Oswald miss his shot.
		And that's why they sent back the man on the grassy knoll.
		We'll be right back.
		Lynn, how much do intention and remote viewing have in common?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think it's probably a mechanism where we are, in both cases, tapping into the quantum energy field I call the field that unites all of us in its invisible web.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And what's interesting to me is that remote viewers like Ingo Swan, who I've interviewed, probably the greatest remote viewer in the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		As have I, by the way.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Ah, great.
		And he's said that he's been wired up while he's been doing his remote viewing.
		You know, they've been looking at it.
		They've looked at his brain waves.
		And the scientist who did, Michael Persinger in Canada, discovered that when Swan is doing a remote view, his brain is not slowing down, it's speeding up to a gamma state, this very, very, you know, the state of wrapped attention I talked about earlier.
		And that's the same thing that goes on with Buddhist monks when they are sending powerful intention to their body to do something like, you know, change body heat, change the temperature in the body by 20 degrees as they're able to do.
		Same thing, gamma state.
		So it looks like it's this super mind, super focus, powering up situation where you enter hyperspace.
		And I think both share that.
		Both share this sort of connecting with the source.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, well, when I did experiments, big silly ones with weather, things like that, and I did many of them, and they all worked.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It could be that millions of minds together did the job.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Or it could be that among those millions who were listening to me, there might have been 10 or 12 or 15 or 100 natural ingotype people out there who participated.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		You know, this is one of those things we don't know yet.
		I mean, what does seem to be the case is, remember REG experiments at PERE, anybody could do it.
		Remote viewing, the work at the Stanford Research Institute, they used even CIA guys to do remote viewing.
		After a few sessions of training, they were able to do it too.
		And so you've got certain people who are the Ingo Swans of the world, who are the amazing virtuosos.
		And then you have the rest of us who can also do it.
		We have the capacity to do it.
		I think we all have this human potential.
		And it's just a matter of, you know, some people are really gifted, but we all can do it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but when you've got millions of people, you're bound to run into a small but important percentage of the real McCoy's.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		This really occurred to us.
		We wondered, for instance, with our conference, we had such a strong effect on that leaf, that little leaf that glowed, that we wondered, well, is it because we have a couple of real virtuosos in the audience, or is it just the group effect?
		And that's something we have to test, too.
		Let's say we do this experiment with you, and we do the millions.
		Then we've got to take about three great healers and see if they have the exact same effect.
		We get just those three as your millions, and that will answer the question.
		But this is just what science is.
		It's about asking all of these questions, and once you get an answer, then that produces a new question to ask.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		How is your book, and the book's central thesis, I guess, is that consciousness can affect matter.
		Is this being accepted by, I mean, it's been, I'm sure, reviewed.
		What kind of response are you getting?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, I get two kinds of responses.
		I think among frontier physicists and the people who are really on the cutting edge of research, they think the book is pretty good because it looks at a lot of what's been happening in these little frontier pockets of science around the world and says,
		this, what's coming out there is so amazing that it is completely changing our view of reality and that our view of what we thought, the way the world works, you know, the science of the way we thought life works, is crumbling before our very eyes, basically.
		And those scientists understand that.
		But, you know, you also have a bunch of scientific fundamentalists who believe that the story is finally written.
		The scientific story is finally written.
		And that everything we know, we know most of it, we're going to just about crack the human genome.
		And life as we know it is right there, out there.
		But what they're discovering in these quantum circles is just mind-boggling.
		They're finding, for instance, that all those strange quantum effects that people believed were only the realm of the science of the very small, you know, the quantum science, actually occur in the world at large.
		And that means, you know, that has huge, huge implications for the way the world works and our understanding of it, and also how we work, that we're much greater than we've been told.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you a question that you don't have to answer.
		But if we were to take two groups and two sick plants, and we had one group just, oh, perhaps with masters, let's say, at meditation and so forth,
		concentrate on healing plant A, while plant B, given the same degree of illness or whatever, degradation, was prayed for by a group of fundamentalist Christians and praying that this plant would be healed in the name of Jesus.
		What would you expect the results to be?
		You want to even put your hand in that water?
unidentified		Okay.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I might get a bit off.
		I would probably say that the people who are the master healers would have a greater effect for this reason.
		We're talking about intention, and we're not talking about prayer or handing this to God.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		but sometimes we are talking about prayer.
		We are.
		Many of the studies...
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And what I would say is that what I've learned from my research is that the most powerful effects occur from people sending intention who have learned a lot and are highly controlled and they're using certain mind states, et cetera, et cetera.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		So now in the other sense, though, depending on your beliefs, and if you believe that there is a higher force and that force is going to help, then you could say that Jesus is the more powerful force.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I can mitigate this for you by simply saying God helps those who help themselves.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That could well be it.
		And so that maybe the people who are the powerful healers, if they also prayed to God, as most healers do, they say, this isn't just with me.
		I have all this mindset.
		I use all of that.
		I do all of my intention.
		And then I put it out, then I move aside.
		And I put my intention out to a greater force.
		And that greater force takes over.
		So maybe this is two sides of the same coin.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
		Maybe.
		Where are you going, other than the experiment that you might do with me, where do you go from here?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I keep working on the experiments.
		And as I say, I'm working with a bunch of computer companies to ask for sponsorship so we can have loads and loads of servers, so we can invite millions of people online.
		Each of our experiments is going to move up the ladder a little bit more, too.
		We're looking at our ecosphere.
		We're looking at our water experiments.
		We're looking at human ones.
		Once we find out a little bit more about what the effect is on someone, you know, as I say, first we want to measure and find out what happens in their body when thousands of people send an intention, maybe millions of people.
		Then if we have a positive effect as opposed to a negative effect, then we may try doing some healing stuff.
		We may try, as I say, working with children with attention deficit, Alzheimer patients, lowering mortality in a hospital, lowering the crime rate.
		Always philanthropic targets, as I say.
		I've had many people write to me and say, okay, let's all collectively win the lottery.
		And I'm not interested in that.
		You know, there's been a lot of discussion of manifesting wealth, et cetera, et cetera.
		And I'm not against that.
		But I think that there are other places.
		There's a lot that we need to do with the world right now.
		The world's in a pretty bad state.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		If I had the guts, Lynn, I'd propose an experiment lowering parts per million of CO2 in the atmosphere.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, we can try that in the echosphere.
		First, let's try it in a controlled place in the lab.
		And then we can move on from there if we have a positive effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you're right.
		You're absolutely right.
		I'm worried that things appear to be deteriorating so quickly.
		In fact, I was in the first hour reading a little bit about that.
		They now are saying that about 40%, no, 50% or better, of many of the common birds that were here are no longer here by actual count.
		And, of course, you know the trouble going on with the bees right now.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And our atmosphere.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I mean, so much is going wrong so fast that I'm not sure we, you know, if this is a real way to affect things, I don't know that we have that much more time to play with 16 holes in a leaf.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And I know you feel that way too, but there's a constant tug on me saying, hold on, hold on, don't do it yet.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can learn pretty quickly about things.
		If, you know, if I get a situation, as I say, my biggest challenge has been the technology and trying to make sure that I can do on the web, I can do everything we need and have the server power to cope with the number of people who want to participate with this.
		But there's no shortage of scientists who want to do this, and they all have very different labs and they all have very different targets that they're planning.
		And with each experiment, we learn a lot.
		And so we can actually do this quite quickly.
		But I think what would be dangerous is just to jump out there and just try because, you know, just try a great big target like global warming now.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I notice you say here there are good days and bad days for intention.
		Science hates that.
		They hate it.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Science does hate it, but luckily we can actually quantify it.
		And I'll tell you why.
		The big change, the big thing that seems to affect intention is geomagnetic influence.
		And that, for people who don't understand this, is just about what happens when the, you know, the sun is a furious star.
		The sun is constantly throwing solar flares and coronal mass ejections and all kinds of things at the Earth.
		And this affects our geomagnetic shield.
		And that, in turn, affects us profoundly.
		It affects all living things.
		It affects in humans our heart and our brain mostly, the two big engines of our body.
		Now, there have been a lot of studies by people like Dean Radin, et cetera, showing that it also affects our intention and our psychic ability.
		So when there's a lot of geomagnetic activity, that's good for intention and it's bad for psychic ability.
		And what's interesting is the sun is becoming a lot noisier.
		There's a lot more geomagnetic activity now.
		And so that's very good for intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, between now and 2012, it's going to get wild, Lynn.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, so they say.
		So they say that a lot of people are expecting that and think that that's going to mean that we are going to have a lot more intention power then.
		You know, we may be developing a lot more if we are so tied into these big earth energies that we're going to be able to use this power of intention much more profoundly then.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We may need it just about then.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, exactly.
		But you see, we can measure whether or not this is another scientific thing we can do.
		The American government measures all the time what's going on geomagnetically.
		So we know whether or not we've got a good day or a bad day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And you can absolutely correlate that with the success or lack thereof of any given experiment?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, you can say maybe this has an effect.
		I mean, certainly there have been lots of studies showing this, that it affects intention or not.
		I mean, they've done a lot of the scientists involved in consciousness research have looked at geomagnetic effects and found it even affects, you know, dogs.
		Rupert Sheldrake and Dean Radin looked at some of the, you know, psychic effects of dogs and whether or not it was affected by geomagnetic activity.
		And they found that there were good days and bad days as that result, too.
		So you can measure this to some degree.
		I mean, I was very interested when we did our German study.
		The weather over here that night was so bad, it was hailing.
		And I thought to myself, this is great, because if there's this bad weather, it probably has some sort of geomagnetic component.
		It probably means it's unsettled, and that's going to help our experiment.
		And it was true.
		I looked on, I checked with the geomagnetic readings, and it was quite unsettled that night.
		So that was good.
		So you can look at it.
		That's one of those conditions I was talking about that actually aids mind over matter or intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I find that really odd because really, we've all looked for any geomagnetic, not geomagnetic, any sort of, in other words, radio signals, television signals, we know how they propagate, we know how they move.
		We can't measure anything that seems to have to do with human intention and ascribe it to anywhere in the geomagnetic spectrum.
		And so why is geomagnetic activity affecting it?
		That's a really open question.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		How come we don't have so much effect with like radio waves and all of that stuff we can measure?
		But geomagnetics, which are much more subtle, how come they have such a big effect?
		Yeah.
		Well, this we don't know.
		I mean, this is one of the interesting things, is why would we be so affected by these very subtle effects, these tiny effects, and not be affected by these big gross effects?
		Well, I guess my answer to one thing is that we actually are affected by cell phones and all of that.
		We just don't realize it.
		But the geomagnetic effects, that seems to be a primary pulse, like the Earth's pulse, that we're tuned into, and all living things are tuned into.
		I mean, for instance, when there are big, when there are serious geomagnetic effects, homing pigeons can't find their way home.
		You know, animals of all sorts get knocked off course when they're not tapping into sort of this gener, you know, the psychic pulse of the world, I guess is the only way to put it.
		So in looking at a lot of this, I've come to the conclusion that we're just one energy, part of a much bigger energy system, and that we have to be, you know, we have to tune in on to, we have to tune into that.
		We also have to allow that, you know, that that's so and acknowledge it and work with it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there's some animals that have magnetite, I believe, in their brains, or a little bit, and so they are affected.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		In other words, they can't navigate properly.
unidentified		Absolutely.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, but they find that with all of us.
		It may be we have a, you know, some people believe it has to do with our pineal gland, that gland that, you know, that has to do with our wake-sleep cycle.
		And there seems to be definitely a rhythm that we are involved with that isn't just circadian rhythms, but that all of our, it's like the sun is our metronome.
		And the sun is working with all kinds of things.
		They find it just on a biological level.
		When there's a lot of geomagnetic activity, there's twice the number of heart attacks.
		You know, blood viscosity gets much, much thicker.
		There's a lot more psychiatric admissions.
		There's a lot more epilepsy.
		You know, We're definitely biologically tied to the sun.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I believe so.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And to some degree, the other planets.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Intention.
		What does it have to do with Muhammad Ali?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I wanted to look at intention and how it's used in real life and whether it's used in real life.
		And my investigation really brought me to sport because sports, at least athletes these days, are using mental rehearsal to great effect.
		Any professional athlete worth his thought realizes that physically he's completely equivalent to the people he's going to be against.
		But what he has to do is have the mental edge.
		And so they tend to go through exquisite intentions, sending intentions that go through exquisite mental rehearsals.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No, Muhammad did that.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And Muhammad Ali was the master of that.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I mean, think about it.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Maybe the greatest ever used.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I am the greatest.
unidentified		Yeah.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hold on.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I know.
		I've got to ask you to hold on.
		We're at the top of the hour.
		When we come back, we're going to open the phone lines.
		Boy, what a subject.
		Lynn McTaggart is my guest.
		And this one, this subject may be the most important thing we talk about on Coast to Coast A.M. From the High Desert.
		I'm Art Bell.
		I am the greatest.
		Remember that?
		Remember, Muhammad Ali?
		Of course you do.
		What was he doing?
		Huh?
		Move like a butterfly, sing like a bee?
		What was he doing?
		Maybe was he trying to convince himself or his opponent?
		Or was he creating a reality?
		Oh, that was intentional, all right.
		Good point.
		Lynn McTaggart will be back in a moment.
		It's a kind of a mindset, isn't it, Lynn?
		In other words, you I'm not sure what you're doing when you do that, but I know what it's about.
		I remember, Lynn, in the early days of talk radio, when I started doing this program, you know, it's going to sound terrible, I suppose, but I decided I was just going to kick everybody's ass.
		I was just not going to be touched.
		I was going to make this show the greatest thing that ever happened.
		And I just, I knew I was going to do it.
		I knew I was going to do it.
		And I knew that, you know, this was kind of the right thing for the right time with the audience just ripe for it.
		They were sick to death like I was of politics.
		It was time to do something else.
		And I knew it was going to work.
		And so that's projected intention of a kind, right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely.
		I mean, that is, you know, whether you want to call it the law of attraction or intention, it's setting a highly focused intention and not allowing any doubt in.
		And that was exactly what Ali was doing.
		I mean, and he was, and very specific.
		And it sounds like yours was very, very specific.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But was he doing this?
		Was he doing this for himself?
		Was he doing this to screw up his opponent, which he probably did?
		Or was he doing this to create a reality?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		He was doing it to create a reality.
		And he has admitted now that he did use these kinds of visualization and mind techniques.
		But when you think about, you know, those little innocent rhymes that he used to do all the time, you know, if you look at them, they were highly specific intentions in disguise.
		Like, Archie Moore is sure to hug the floor at four.
		You know, and if you look at that fight, Archie Moore went down in the fourth round.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		So he was doing that all the time.
		And he was unsettling his opponent, but it was kind of a little bit like that.
		He even used some negative intention with a kind of a voodoo doll when he was at the Killer in Manila fight with Joe Frazier.
		He had a little gorilla in his top pocket.
		And anytime he got near a journalist, he'd pull it out and he'd start punching it.
		And he'd say, you know, it's really going to be a thriller and a chiller when I get the gorilla in Manila.
		And this was so unsettling to Joe Frazier that, you know, he went down.
		And I think when he got to the ring, he felt like he was something less than human.
		So it's, you know, Ali was a master at this, in every kind of intention.
		And so that's really why I was looking at him as almost like a, you know, this is like a blueprint for using intention in a highly, highly specific way.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		There's a whole bunch of people who want to talk to you.
		And we've come to that point in the show, so let's rock.
		James in Kansas, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
		Hi.
unidentified		Morning, Art.
unidentified		It's a pleasure to speak to you today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I had a question about intent with your guest.
		I know that there's a big group growing right now to try and do some healing here on July 17th at 1111 Greenwich Mean Time.
		And I wanted to get her take on that.
		It's becoming quite a global effort, I believe, right now.
		And I just wanted to get her beliefs on that and to find out if there's any way that we could track some global statistics on, oh, I don't know, deaths around that time, maybe within three days before and three days after.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think it's a wonderful event, and we support it, too.
		We'll be supporting it on our website.
		And I mean, there's several things we can do.
		We can track it, first of all, with the Global Consciousness Project, which has got those REG machines around the world.
		We can see what happens there.
		If they get slightly knocked off their random course, that will demonstrate there's some sort of collective effect.
		There's also a very similar thing, the Global Resonance Project, and I can speak to them.
		They're tracking any geomagnetic effects, and we can see whether or not all of this conscious intent has an effect on geomagnetics too.
		And there might be some way to look at some statistics.
		I can talk with some of our scientists.
		I think that's a wonderful idea.
unidentified		Okay, well, that definitely sounds like it's on the right track then.
unidentified		Well, thank you very much for your time, and I'll look forward to listening to the rest of the show.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, thank you, Color.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I didn't know about that one, 11-11, huh?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's a global healing project where everybody's going to send an intention, just a general intention, to heal the world.
		And I think it's a wonderful idea.
		It's been gathering strength around.
		I think it's common passion, I think.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		It's good, but it's going to be hard to measure.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And what would be interesting, as he says, is to try to get some scientific measures of what kind of effect we have.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Wildcard line, Jenny in Washington.
		You're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Hi.
		Hi, Art.
		I'm one of those witches that you mentioned earlier.
		Okay.
		Two things I'd appreciate Dr. McTaggart's comments about.
		First, as magical practitioners, we have found that we do not get an unexpected negative result if we include in the sending of the intent a specific affirmation that there be no harmful effects and also that there be free will to everyone concerned.
		And second, we found out that what you are against weakens you and what you are for empowers you, you being the practitioner.
		And so we try to phrase things in a way that, you know, even if we're trying to get rid of an illness, we try to make it for building healing rather than killing the disease.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I think that's a really interesting point.
		And as I say, with one of the, you know, when I was looking at this in the intention experiment about negative intention, we found and healing intention, that the most powerful effects were not somebody sending, a healer sending an intention to kill a microbe or a cancer or whatever, but to that whole idea of returning to the natural order being the best thing.
		And I think that's a very interesting point that you make about having no negative effects.
		And if we make that, you know, if we do this experiment together and we send that out as an additional attention so that these millions of people don't have any negative effect, that might be interesting.
unidentified		It turned out that all we have to do is ask for that, and then we never get anything.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That's a very good point.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
		All right.
		Thank you very much.
		I thought we might hear from some practitioners, possibly, because that really is what they're doing, Lynn.
		That's what a witch is doing.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's interesting.
		They all have a kind of commonality.
		And that was what I was interested in looking at when I looked at Buddhist monks and healers and Qigong masters.
		What do they all have in common?
		What are the conditions that make for intention?
		And I kind of boiled them down into a program because all of them have certain things in common.
		They all talk about this focused mind, working with compassion, working out through the heart, forming a connection.
		And another important thing is being well yourself.
		Gary Schwartz has found in some of his studies that healers have sometimes, you know, variable effects.
		And it seems to be that when they're well in every way, they have a better effect.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
		All right, Sam in New York, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
		Hi.
unidentified		Hey, Ert, how you doing?
unidentified		Lynn, how's it going?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hi, how you doing?
unidentified		Good, good.
		A couple comments.
		The thing that you're talking about with Muhammad Ali, the term is called an offensive mindset.
		I'm an extreme fighter, and we definitely utilize that all the time.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I'm sorry, you're an extreme what?
unidentified		An extreme fighter, like a cage fighter.
		Okay.
		Yeah.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Can you describe that a bit more?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		What kind of focus?
unidentified		It's a mixed martial art.
		It involves boxing, kickboxing, and judo and wrestling all in one event.
		No, she's asking what kind of focus you have.
		An offensive mindset is like to where you're really pumping yourself up to bring your mental skills right up to where your athletic skills are within your sport itself.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right.
unidentified		You see what I'm saying?
		And Ali, in my opinion, Ali could have played chess and he would have been the greatest at it.
		I mean, Isaac, that come along once every 50 years, as far as I'm concerned.
		And the other question I had for you was, are you aware of a study that was done on a village in Milan, Italy, about a genetic base about where they were so healthy and everything that they live longevity-wise, and then you did test on them and everything like that?
		I found that very interesting.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I remember reading about that.
unidentified		Yeah.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I found another thing about that one.
		I found a very interesting study in a place called Roweto in Pennsylvania.
		It was an Italian group of people, and they all did all the wrong things.
		You know, they ate the wrong things and they smoked and all this sort of stuff, but they had no heart disease.
		And they found it was because they had this very cohesive community.
		And, you know, rich lived with poor.
		Nobody was jealous.
		And there was just this coherence in this town.
		And that when that kind of old school sort of love basically broke up with the next generation, they got the same heart attack rates as the rest of America.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Isn't that something?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so I thought that was really interesting.
		It was all about being, you know, all about sort of a coherence, of an energy coherence, basically, with the whole community.
		I did want to say something about this sort of mental rehearsal.
		What's interesting to me is that it seems in sport, the brain is a little bit dumb, if you will.
		I mean, it's an amazing organism, but it can't distinguish between action and thought.
		And so they've found in studies that when somebody has a mental rehearsal of something, that signals the same muscles in the body as if you were actually carrying out the sport itself.
		And so that's why these sports champions do this, because it's like they lay down the tracks ahead of time.
		They lay down the neuronets ahead of time, and that their body works faster than when they're actually going through the sport.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Makes absolute sense to me.
		Bob in California, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
		Good morning.
unidentified		Well, good morning, Hardin and Lynn.
		My question is about entanglement theory, but I just wanted to say, we just sort of proved this thing here, projected intention.
		Did you hear that I was hung up on when I first called in and re-dialed and got through a No, I didn't.
		How are you?
		Let me check with the lady who caught the call.
		You know, entanglement theory, that's where they take a cell or something from one place and in another room, and something that's done to one of them, the second one will have an immediate effect where there's no time lapse.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
unidentified		Is that the same sort of realm as what you're, you know, this intent, like my intention to?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I think we think so.
		I think we think so is the answer.
		Lynn?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Yes, we absolutely do.
		And I think what's interesting is that what I was really interested in is scientists are finding that this idea, this quantum entanglement, where, as you say, there's this instant effect of one particle on the other across all time and space, they're now finding this occurs in big things too.
		It occurs in atoms between atoms and molecules.
		And what's important about that is these are the building blocks of the real sticks and stones world we see out there.
		And if non-locality or entanglement occurs in that, it means it occurs in the world at large.
		And so we, yes, we do think that this is part of a mechanism, that this is a regular part of life.
		It occurs in bodies.
		It occurs between stars.
		It occurs between all kinds of big things, not just in the quantum world.
unidentified		That's sort of a connection I have with this show in a way, too.
		Art, I called you four times in a row ten years ago.
		I tried four times, got through four times.
		I haven't called again until now, and I got through tonight twice.
		What does that say about some sort of projected intention?
		Wow.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Bob, I don't know what that says.
		You're on the West of the Rockies line.
		A lot of people trying to get through on that line.
		So I have no idea.
unidentified		I did it twice.
		Amazing.
		Okay, have a great night.
		Wonderful show.
		I've been listening for 10 years.
		Thank you.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you very much, and have a good night.
		Yes, it is interesting.
		David in California, you're on with Lynn.
unidentified		Hey, it's Robert from Los Angeles, your friend Art.
unidentified		How are you doing?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You say it's Robert?
unidentified		Well, I go for it.
		Actually, we're using a different name because of information I was going to give you tonight about what we're talking about tonight.
		All right.
		Anyway, if you're aware, I don't know if your guest is aware of, but determined about this mass consciousness, our government has been experimenting in this in about 60 years.
		And 2020, the show on 2020, or it was 60 Minutes, they had a show in Greece where the CIA was conducting experiments on mental retarded patients in a mental institution.
		And what they did is they told all these people that they had a disease that created blue dots on their skin, and they all broke out with these diseases that didn't even exist.
		After this project was closed, there was actually, they closed it down because people were dying from this disease that didn't even exist, and they told them that they had these things.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
unidentified		From this project, after this happened, the AIDS epidemic blew out of proportion.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Do you have any idea where any of this is documented or we can read about it?
unidentified		Sure.
		You could do a Google search on Greece, CIA thought transfer medical experiments, and you'll come up.
		And the CIA was doing this.
		And then after that, an AIDS epidemic came up.
		And basically, if you tell millions of people that there's a disease, no matter what it is, bird flu, AIDS, if people hear it and believe it on all TV, it will happen and people break out with diseases.
		You could tell someone, I actually did this experiment.
		I got a bottle of water, just a little tiny bottle of water.
		I set it on a shelf for about four months, and I stared at it and told myself it was acid.
		And then after four months, I put a drop of that water on my skin and it burnt a scar on my hand by doing it, just by putting intent on pure water.
		I showed the guy and it left a scar on my hand.
		I'm scared I might get cancer from that.
		But another guy told me that, in fact, the CI moved on to another operation which actually embeds subconscious information in a TV news media, telling people every day if you notice on the news, they'll say something else causes you cancer.
		One day it's bread, next day it's water, next day it's air, next day it's grass.
		And number one, people that I know in the television community, guess what?
		They don't own TVs.
		Ask Ed Dames.
		He will not watch TV.
		He knows about this project, about them influencing stuff causing cancers by telling people everything causes you cancer.
		If you see this on TV, on the news, one day it's bread causes you cancer, next day it embeds in your subconscious part of your brain, and you will manifest this disease by hearing it over again.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		What even bothers me more than that, caller, is one day they'll tell you X causes cancer, and the next day they'll tell you X prevents cancer.
unidentified		They do.
		Exactly.
		You're a smart guy.
		That's exactly what they do.
		One day that's part of the program where they say it creates a problem one day and the next it doesn't.
		I've done research on this for 20 years and I've been actually helping people with diseases like cancer and I've found everybody that I've talked to with cancer.
		Check this out, Art.
		This is incredibly groundbreaking.
		That people who have cancer in any part of their body that some loved one has hit them in a negative way in that particular area in their body.
		I said, some guy had cancer on his back.
		I said, did somebody in your family hit you there?
		He goes, yeah, my brother kicked me real hard when I was four.
		And then another female had breast cancer.
		I said, on the left breast, where you hit, did some loved one or someone hit you?
		He goes, yeah, my sister beat me up and she hit me real hard there.
		And it's weird how we could actually, if someone who we like a lot hits us, physically hits us in a particular part on our body, that that manifests in our subconscious part of our mind and the cells do not produce correctly.
		And after 20 or 30 years, you'll end up with a cancer in that location.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Well, listen, what a call.
		Thank you very much.
		He's got a good point, Lynn.
		If intent is something that's distributed by media suggestion.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I mean, it's, you know, we know this with the placebo effect.
		I mean, the placebo effect works 60 to 70 percent of the time.
		You just give somebody a thought that something is healing or negative, that it's going to hurt them.
		And we know this is true.
		Even with operations of, you know, where they've had placebo operations for arthritis patients, and they've told people that they had, you know, that they fixed their arthritis.
		The people, this was a study in Houston.
		People for three years after were healed and they had just a sham Operation.
		Nothing actually happened.
		So we see this over and over and over with the placebo effect.
		It's not far-fetched to think that the same thing could occur on a mass scale.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Right, but is this telling us something about intention, Lynn, or is it telling us something about the power of the mind with the placebo effect?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, I think the placebo effect is a case of intention trickery.
		It's telling the body that it's healed, so that's an intention.
		And the body believes it because the mind can't, you know, the brain doesn't, or the body doesn't distinguish between a thought and an actual something happening.
		And, you know, an actual operation, an actual pill.
		It's the thought of the pill.
		It's the thought of healing that's important.
		And for me, this is important because it shows that thought produces change in the life of the world.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, so then could the genesis of cancer be intention?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Can what?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Could the genesis of cancer be intentional?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I mean, toxic thoughts, toxic thoughts can cause cancer.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Boy, oh, boy.
		All right.
		Hold it right there, Lynn.
		We're at the bottom of the hour.
		This is Coast to Coast AM.
		I'm Art Bell.
		The most powerful force in the world, it may be, I think, intention.
		When we learn how to use it, when we learn how it is most powerful, and we're just on the edge of all this, folks, may move mountains, quite literally move mountains, heal atmospheres.
		Who knows?
		That's somewhere down the road, and judging from the way things are going, it may not be very far down the road.
		It's kind of like I see a sign on the freeway coming up now, sort of in the shape of a warning sign.
		We'll be right back.
		Glynn McTaggart actually has two books, The Field, The Quest for the Secret Force of the Universe, and of course, The Intention Experiment.
		And that's the latest.
		How long has that been out now?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Just since January, Art.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		January, so brand new?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Brand new, yeah.
		It's really the, you know, it was the unfinished business from the field, as I say before, that I really wanted to investigate.
		I wanted to find out about the science of intention and also what are the best conditions for using intention.
		You know, what are the best times and places, what kind of mindsets, what kind of emotional states, all of that, because I think most people think of intention just as having happy thoughts or positive thoughts.
		And I wanted to find out from the masters themselves how they actually can do things like, you know, like a yogi sitting on nails.
		That's, in a sense, an act of intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, and from my point of view, insanity.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		But I guess if you want to sit on nails, you prove something.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		But that kind of power, to be able to do that.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		And the power to change something so radically, like changing your body temperature or metabolism like Buddhist monks do regularly, is if we can figure out how to do that, extrapolate from what they do, we can then learn to use intention in a better way in our lives, too.
unidentified		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Josh in Georgia, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Mr. Bell, Ms. McTaggart, is that it?
unidentified		Am I right?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Hi.
unidentified		Hi, I'm sorry.
		Good evening to you both.
		My story is kind of complicated.
		I don't really know where to start, but I had a recent incident of intention that involves paganism slash Wiccan faith.
		And where to start?
		All right.
		Well, I'm 35 years old.
		I've been studying religions since I was 12, like studying, trying to find the true path.
		And I pretty much decided on the mother type religions, like paganism, Wicca, Indian shamanism, and Taoism, as those being my faith.
		But I never really had faith in it.
		It was just kind of like, you know, that was what I most truly believed.
		And here, when I was in 93, when I was a young Marine, a Hopi Indian told me in a Peyo di Trance that he saw the spirit of the grizzly bear as my animal spirit guardian, and I took that as the absolute truth.
		And this guy did not lie about that.
		He said he saw it, and a couple of people have seen it since then.
		And I've carried that with me since 92.
		And then here a month ago, a guy who was very, very involved with Wicca and paganism, he's done things.
		He's actually cleansed a house of this friend of his had this woman had four miscarriages and had terrible, terrible attacks on her in the middle of the night.
		They cleansed the house and she finally had a child right after that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, how did he affect you or what happened?
unidentified		Okay, now here's where he affected me.
		I'm sorry to be so long on this.
		Like I said a month ago, my girlfriend is a she's from Ireland and she's pagan, very heavily pagan and she's an air sign.
		I'm a Scorpio born on November 9th, which is smack dab in the middle and I'm heavily water sign.
		And I talked to this guy and he saw me, this friend that had cleansed his house, and he said that he not only saw the warrior in me, which I thought was obvious.
		I was like, okay, yeah, whatever.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		We're real short on time, caller, so you're going to have to get you in here.
unidentified		And he also saw the shaman.
		And then as soon as he saw this, he was very, very sensitive to this, he was attacked by an entity.
		And he didn't tell me how I could, you know, invoke my shaman.
		I got right next to him and invoked a whirlpool of water.
		And it washed away his attack, which was attacking his stomach.
		And he lifted up his shirt and had two big, huge welts on the stomach that is only caused by that.
		But he stood in wonder and said he never felt any energy like that.
		And my question is this.
		The power of many over the internet to change some physical aspect of something is one thing.
		But this is very new to me, and I would love to be able to measure, you know, if you need someone like me to measure if you Could measure what I could do.
		You know, some kind of, you know.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Volunteer to be measured.
		Okay, I get it.
		Well, Lynn, that is our problem all along.
		And this whole thing is trying to scientifically establish the kind of power that he talked about or that many, many others claim.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Well, if he or anybody else is a master, you know, has special powers like that and wants to be measured, there may be some ways we can do that.
		They can write to us, you know, they can write to us via our website and just indicate that and we can look into it.
		We're looking into measuring some individuals too, both people who have the power to do that, but also people who are individual targets.
		I've been using individual intentions of the week where we have people who are ill and we ask our audience to send an intention to make them better.
		Now, that is just an informal, in a sense, healing intention.
		But some of my scientists would like to track some of the individuals too to see if we have some healing intentions.
		So we can also use individual stuff to track individuals and their powers, and there's a number of ways to measure it.
		So I'm interested in that, too.
		It's just something down the line.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		And another thing, when you get a result, when you get a positive result, for example, with health or with a specific problem involved in a person's health, and then you get a positive result, does it last?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That's another question, Art.
		I think this is another thing we have to ask.
		You know, does it, when you look at healers, some healers, it's one go and boom, they've healed the person.
		Other times, other healers want three sessions or five sessions.
		They seem to be highly individual.
		So we need to look into that a little bit more and see, you know, what they're doing and what kinds of things work best.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Desiree in Texas, you're on with Lynn.
unidentified		Hello?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Hello.
unidentified		Yes.
unidentified		This is Desiree from Houston, Texas.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Desiree, okay.
unidentified		I tuned in a little bit late, Art, and I was wondering, was your speaker, I can't remember your name, what was it?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Did you mention that you were going to be doing this experiment on 11-11?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		No.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		No.
		That is a worldwide effort to send peace, and it's just something I'd really encourage everybody to be involved in.
		It's not originating from me.
		What we'd like to do, because I'm always coming in from wanting to measure this stuff a little bit scientifically, give it more validation, convince the world about it, and understand more about intention.
		So I'd be very interested in that 11-11, actually doing some measurements and finding out what we're, you know, what's happening when all these minds send an intention for peace.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm a little concerned that it's so broad.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's just so broad that it's going to be so difficult to measure.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I mean, that's my own concern as well, Art, in the sense that we could measure some general things about whether there's a change in the ambient field using RNG machines, you know, and their measurements with the Global Consciousness Project.
		One of the things we try to do with our intention experiments is make them highly specific.
		This is why we're trying to do things like create one variable in like a little echo sphere or with a leaf or whatever and measure that change because then we get a lot of information about whether or not and how intention works.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm definitely up for that experiment.
		So see if you can arrange it and away we'll go.
		Sean in Hawaii, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Oh, Lynn and Art.
unidentified		So good to talk to you today.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That's great.
unidentified		I teach Tantra and one of the main keys of Tantra is intention.
		It actually sits in the third ayah of the sixth chakra.
		And after years of teaching Tantra and bringing forth the idea of intention, I noticed in the West, the Western mind carries with it a whole bunch of weight towards goals.
		Lynn, my question to you was, have you seen any conflicts between people who believe they're holding intentions, but actually they're setting goals?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Oh, huge amounts.
		And I mean, what I've tried to say in the book is very much about letting go, moving aside, getting out of your own ego.
		And that's what all of the intention masters I talked to, interviewed, sent questions to, all talked about this idea of set a highly focused intention and then move aside.
		They work on that mind state they work on initially is about getting out of that ego, getting out of the frontal lobes of your brain, basically.
		Moving into a larger space and then setting your intention and then moving aside.
		It's almost like you connect or hook up with the field, in my view, and then you let that greater power take over.
unidentified		Yeah, fantastic.
		That's great, because I think that's where a lot of people miss their intention power is by focusing on a result.
		And this is maybe where a problem with the scientific tangibility of an intention comes into.
		But I think it's so amazing that you're doing this work and I so support it.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
		I mean, we still have the result.
		You know, people are told, as I say, the participants, I give them a program and basically say, and the last thing I tell them is move aside, let go of the outcome.
		You know, you put out your intention and ask that it be filled, basically.
		Get out of the detach from the outcome.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Dante in Georgia, you're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Lynn, it's a great honor to hear you speak.
unidentified		And Arch, you're a fantastic man.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		I have a question as intention relates to something done by the great man Deepak Chopra.
		He made a statement in a lecture once that a whole group of people of his level of intellect got together And over a period of time, prayed at the same time, regardless where they lived in the world, for the fall of the wall in Berlin.
		I find this interesting because there is no actual solid reason why the wall fell when it fell.
		And obviously, this would be intention.
		Can you comment as to whether you think that was a valid statement that he made?
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Well, there was that.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mr. Garbachov, tear this wall down.
unidentified		Yeah, but that's not when it came down.
		It came down for no reason on a particular day when the guards just stopped shooting at the East Europeans.
		And then they went at the wall.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		You know, it's a really interesting idea.
		It's impossible to really say definitely yes or no.
		I'd like to think that that was the case.
		But the reason that I'm doing these experiments is to demonstrate without doubt that it's the case.
unidentified		I think it's a fantastic idea you do that.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I'm sure all other listeners to art show would participate, even the wackos.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I agree.
		And you never know what a person you might call a wacko might be one of those magically gifted people that would make the experiment work.
		When I engage millions of minds, I have no way of knowing if it's millions of minds doing the job, or as I said earlier in the show, whether we're just lucky in having so many that obviously we're going to corral in a few of the really, truly great, natural, gifted minds that get the job done.
		Who knows?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		I mean, the interesting thing, Art, that, as I say, what we can do, we'll find out.
		We can do one with your audience.
		We can do one with my audience.
		We can do one with, you know, with where people are coming on via our website.
		We can do one with three gifted healers.
		And we find out whether or not there's a bigger effect with the more people there are, or whether it's just as powerful if you've got three really powerful healers.
		We don't know.
		We'll find out.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Bob in Seattle.
		You're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		First of all, Art, Happy Father's Day.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Thank you.
unidentified		And I've got a date picked out for the experiment.
		If it works, I think it would be a magical date, 777.
		And in regards to athletes, I had a coach tell me what he said to his team always worked.
		Winners make it happen, losers let it happen.
		Lynn, you sent them with the geo connection, and I connected real quick.
		When the full moon appears, the high tides, the earthquakes are prevalent, babies deliver, and people have sleeping disorders.
		And one last thing, could we add hypnotists as a third group to try the experiment?
		And I'll end the call and listen off the air.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, thank you.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		That's a great idea with hypnotists, too.
		I mean, certainly hypnosis is another form of intention in a sense.
		It's implanting an intention in somebody else.
		And there's been, I've looked at hypnosis in the intention experiment as well, and there's plenty of evidence that people can do, you know, women can enlarge their breasts, people can move blood away from the site of an operation, all sorts of things with hypnosis.
		People can even get more fit just thinking about it.
		One study working on biceps showed that people who just thought about going to the gym had almost as much success as people actually working out at a gym.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay, let's see.
		Let's try Wade in Minnesota, all the way up in Minnesota.
		You're on with Lynn McTaggart.
unidentified		Hello.
		I'd kind of like to connect two things and ask what both of you think about whether or not if everyone were to learn how to communicate with their minds, would we run out of bandwidth, like the cell phones?
		No.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		What a question.
		You know, we can't tell until we try that.
		But I mean, scientifically, it would suggest not, because if we are communicating, as I think we are, if we're sending and receiving all the time through light emissions and we're sending and receiving through quantum waves and through the zero-point field and through the field, then waves have an infinite capacity for getting and sending information.
		And so I would say no.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		I would tend to say no, too, because I don't think that what's going on here has anything to do with the electromagnetic spectrum, which runs into the face of what you said earlier about the electromagnetic spectrum affecting the ability to project intention.
		So I'm not sure, but it doesn't seem like we can measure anything in the electromagnetic spectrum that emanates from a mind, or at least we haven't been able to yet.
		So I don't know.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		No, no.
		I mean, we know that intention has certain components in that.
		We know intention has a magnetic component.
		It has an electrostatic component.
		But that is probably not the whole story.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Not what kinds of effects we see.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Here is Mary in Canada.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		Mary, you're on the air.
unidentified		Oh, thank you, Art.
		Lynn, going back to your original description of your experiment with the two geranium leaves, I had an alternative conclusion.
		I wonder if you considered it.
		You described about six hours of preparation for each of the leaves in the laboratory before the experiment actually began, because they both had a lot of attention.
		When the experiment took place, one leaf continued to get a lot of attention and focusing on it, and the other leaf had a withdrawal of all that attention.
		So did you consider that maybe it did not prosper because of the withdrawal?
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		We have considered that.
		As I said, one thing that Dr. Schwartz has wondered about is whether or not this is a neglect effect, whether the control leaf is just getting neglected.
		But the interesting thing that would suggest otherwise is the fact that there was a big glow effect bigger than normal, that that leaf truly did glow much more than normal.
		And that would suggest the power of a positive force of intention.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Lynn, we have come to the end of the program.
		Again, the field, which has been out for a while as your book, The Quest for The Secret Force of the Universe, and of course now the Intention Experiment.
		Those who are interested, I recommend you go to Amazon.com, look up the intention experiment, get it on the way to you, and read all about this.
		This, which may be the biggest force in the universe someday.
		Lynn, thank you so very much for being on Coast.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		It's been my pleasure, Art, and I look forward to these experiments.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right.
		Sat it up.
		We'll rock.
lynne mctaggart ▲ ● ▼		Wonderful.
art bell ▲ ● ▼		All right, folks, that's Lynn McTaggart.
		Good night.
		And listen, ladies and gentlemen, we'll be back tomorrow night.
		My guest tomorrow night, Bart Costco, fascinating man from the high desert.

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