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May 5, 2007 - Art Bell

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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - Counterfeit Catholic Church - Brother Michael Dimond - Global Warming Politics

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	From the high desert in the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's prolific time zones, each and every one covered by this program, the largest program of its type in the world, Coast to Coast AM.
	I'm Art Bell, it's my honor and privilege to be escorting you through this weekend, and a weekend of horror it is in the central part of America.
	Boy, Kansas and South Dakota, Nebraska, all up and down.
	All the way, in fact, all the way down to Texas, really.
	A fresh wave of tornadoes has ripped through the plains late Saturday.
	It was the day after a tornado all but destroyed the town of Greensburg, Kansas, killing eight Injuring a dozen more.
	The National Weather Service said it had received reports, well in to get this, the double digits of twisters touching down in six southwest Kansas counties.
	Numerous tornadoes were reported from South Dakota south into Oklahoma as forecasters scrambled to keep issuing warnings.
	Looking around the rest of the nation in a moment, let me first tell you the webcam photo tonight is of Aaron and Yeti.
	Everybody's been asking for one of Yeti, so there it is.
	A Kenya Airways jet that took off during a midnight storm crashed early Saturday.
	There were 114 on board.
	It was after sending out a distress signal over remote southern Cameroon.
	Nearby villagers reported hearing an explosion, seeing a flash of fire, the jet bound for The Kenyan capital, Nairobi, went down about 90 miles southeast of the coastal city of Duabla, where it had taken off after midnight.
	No word on if they're all fatalities.
	A new video of al-Qaeda's number two leader released on Saturday mocks our President, President Bush, and U.S.
	legislation requiring the withdrawal of U.S.
	troops from Iraq, saying the bill would rob the group's fighters of a chance to kill more Americans.
	Osama bin Laden's deputy, And I don't know what this word is.
	I guess it's amalgam of Sunni insurgents in Iraq claimed responsibility.
	in an April 12th suicide bombing in Baghdad's heavily protected green zone
	when an attacker slipped through security killed a Sunni legislator in
	the Iraqi Parliament's cafeteria. Al-Qaeda...
	and I don't know what this word is I guess it's amalgam of Sunni insurgents
	in Iraq claimed responsibility that's it. Minutes before a chose rampage inside
	Virginia Tech's Norris Hall, there was apparently a note.
	It was found on the second floor stairwell, and it warned, a bomb will go off if you open the door.
	According to a school employee on Saturday, Virginia State Police confirmed the threatening note was indeed found in a room where janitor Pamela Tickle says she left it after the shooting, but they have not linked it to Cho.
	Very interesting.
	Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton criticized the Bush administration's response to Hurricane Katrina, pledged Saturday to funnel more federal aid to the still-recovering Gulf Coast area if elected.
	Speaking to the National Conference of Black Mayors, Clinton and Senator Barack Obama both took President Bush to task.
	Although Obama focused mostly on the Iraq War, Clinton on domestic issues.
	A Chinese factory was the source of a counterfeit chemical that killed dozens of people in Panama after it was used in human medications.
	According to a newspaper, New York Times reported in its Sunday edition that records and interviews revealed the poison was first sold by Chinese companies that exported it as 99.5% pure glycerin.
	The source of the chemical was then obscured as middlemen in Spain and Panama removed the names of their suppliers from shipping documents, practice used by distributors to ensure continued business.
	And in a moment, continued news.
	Climate news.
	Seems like the climate models were wrong.
	It's actually worse than they forecast.
	Arctic ice is actually melting faster than computer models of climates calculate.
	According to a group of U.S.
	researchers, since 1979, the Arctic has been losing summer ice at about 9% per decade.
	But models, on average, produce a melting rate less than half that figure.
	The scientists suggest forecasts from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may be too cautious, but we all knew that, didn't we?
	The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has been affected by politics, so what they say is serious, but if they were telling the full truth, it would be a hell of a lot more serious.
	The latest observations indicate that Arctic summers could be ice-free, that's ice, no ice in the Arctic, by the middle Of this century.
	Somewhere in the second half of the century it would happen.
	According to Ted Scambos of the National Snow and Ice Data Center at the University of Colorado, the fact that all models show ice loss over the observed period and all project large ice losses into the future is a very strong message, he says.
	Some computer models show periods of great sensitivity where the Arctic ice system collapses suddenly, and that trend may occur a bit earlier.
	That's the best guess, but exactly when is hard to say, he told BBC.
	Scambos co-authored the latest study, published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters, with other scientists from NSIDC and from the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder.
	They also calculate that about half, if not more, of the warming observed since 1979 originates in humanity's emissions of greenhouse gases.
	There are measurements dating back about a century on the extent of Arctic ice, but satellite observations from 1979 onwards are generally thought to be the most accurate data set.
	In other words, what your eyes see.
	The new research involved analyzing two periods, 1953 through 2006, 1979 through 2006.
	through 2006, 1979 through 2006, records show a shrinkage over the longer period of 7.8
	percent per decade.
	When only the more recent period is analyzed, the rate goes up to 9.1 percent per decade.
	For comparison, the researchers looked at a collection of 18 computer models used by the IPCC and other institutions for making projections of future climates.
	Models are always verified against real-world data from the recent past to see how well their output mimics reality.
	The collection scrutinized here calculated an average decline of only 2.5% per decade
	for 1953 through 2006 and 4.3% per decade since 1979, both well short of the real world observations.
	I acknowledge there are lessons here for the climate modeling community.
	The rate of ice loss and the location of ice loss.
	These things that the models need to improve.
	And there are physical processes such as the release of methane from melting permafrost that the models apparently do not include.
	And that could well account, I suppose, for the fact that they are coming up well short.
	I guess global warming is a message yet to be heard or believed by many, but it really is approaching very settled science, no matter what you may hear and who you may hear it from.
	It's happening, and instead of reading about the IPCC or whatever scientific body is talking about this, just go look at pictures of the North Pole, say 40 years ago and today, and if that doesn't convince you, then I guess you cannot be convinced.
	Now wait a minute.
	Here's another thing you might want to know about Australia.
	Australia, it is alleged, has begun secret talks on evacuating half of their continent due to epic drought.
	Can you imagine that?
	Half the continent?
	Shocking reports from the Kremlin today.
	Showing that just under one week from Australian Prime Minister Howard's urgent plea to his citizens to pray for rain to fall on their drought-ravaged nation, the government of Australia has entered into alleged secret negotiations with the U.S.
	and their Commonwealth allies for the proposed evacuation of upwards of 11 million of its 20 million citizens.
	That'd be just over half, right?
	To the tragedy currently unfolding upon the world's smallest continent of Australia,
	We can read, as reported by Britain's Independent News Service, in their article entitled, Australia's Epic Drought Situation is Grim, in which it says, quote, Australia has warned that it will have to switch off the water supply to the continent's food bowl unless heavy rains break an epic drought, heralding what could be the first climate change driven disaster to strike a developed nation.
	The Murray-Darling Basin in southeastern Australia yields 40% of that country's agricultural produce.
	But the two rivers that feed the region are so pitifully low right now that soon there'll be only enough water for drinking.
	Australia's in the grip of its worst drought on record.
	The victim of changing weather patterns attributed to global warming.
	And a government that's only just starting to wake up to the severity of the situation.
	Prime Minister John Howard, who by the way is a hardened climate change skeptic, delivered dire tidings to the nation's farmers yesterday.
	He said unless there is significant rainfall in the next six to eight weeks, irrigation will be banned in the principal agricultural area crops like rice, cotton, wine, grapes, Are all going to fail.
	Citrus, olive and almond trees will die along with livestock.
	A ban on irrigation, which would remain in place until May of next year, spells possible ruin for thousands of farmers already debt-laden and in despair now after six straight years of drought.
	FSB sources commenting on these reports state the Australian government requests to other Western nations are for the establishment of an international working group tasked with devising a scheme for the immediate evacuation of upwards of 11 million human beings.
	And toward that end, they're talking to passenger lines.
	You know, big ships that can carry literally, oh perhaps 500,000 passengers, something like that.
	I wonder when the climate skeptics are going to finally catch on.
	Will it take something like this, like evacuating half a nation, before people wake up and realize it's actually happening?
	We really are like the proverbial frog that has been simply plopped into You know, skin temperature, water.
	And of course, heat's turned up.
	And up and up and up and up, until finally, the frog, of course, is dead and smiling through the entire process.
	I wouldn't press this point unless I absolutely believed it.
	And you can look at all the science, and I hope you do.
	Those skeptics out there who do not think the weather is changing Look at the facts.
	And don't even worry about whether it's us, man's hand, or not.
	Just the cycle.
	Doesn't really matter.
	I lean toward thinking that man's hand is certainly having an effect on all of this, but I don't think it really matters.
	We have to begin to adjust our agricultural patterns and a lot more if we are to survive the coming changes.
	Whatever the cause you believe it to be.
	Whatever is behind it.
	Mother Nature?
	The sun?
	Volcanic eruptions?
	Natural cyclical change?
	Or what science tells us is doing it.
	That's our own emissions.
	Alright, listen, we're about to do unscreened, open line talk radio.
	Now that means anything you want to talk about is fair game.
	I would ask, number one, that you have something important to get out to the entire audience.
	Something really urgent.
	Worth calling a national talk show to talk about.
	And number two, when you do get on the air, when I pronounce you on the air, immediately turn your radio off, because we have a delay system here, and you'll hear yourself speaking many seconds in the past.
	Well, not kind of, it's very confusing, so...
	Please folks, be very, very careful to get that radio off right away.
	Here are the numbers.
	West of the Rockies, 1-800-618-8255.
	If you're east of the Rockies, toll free, 1-800-825-5033.
	First time callers, area code 818-501-4721.
	east of the Rockies, toll free 1-800-825-5033, first time callers, area code 818-501-4721.
	And finally, well not finally, finally domestically the wildcard line,
	we have many of them actually, area.
	If you're outside the country, we can accommodate you with a toll-free line at 800-893-0903.
	Just get hold of your local operator and tell her you want to call that number.
	800-893-0903.
	Wildcard line, you are on the air!
	800-893-0903. Just get hold of your local operator and tell her you want to call that number.
	800-893-0903. Wildcard Line, you are on the air. Hi.
	Hello, Wildcard.
	Let's try again.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Now you are.
	Yes, I do have something worthy of note for the entire audience.
	This is astounding, and the evidence can be seen by all.
	The evidence was shown on the History Channel on the movie show JFK Beyond Conspiracy.
	Also, the Discovery Channel showed the same evidence at the end of the show.
	What is the evidence?
	The evidence is the magic bullet.
	They actually have And that magic bullet, as you know, ought to exist.
	And the photo is so amazing.
	The photo of that magic bullet that was found, supposedly, on the stretcher of JFK in Parkland Hospital.
	The magic bullet that went through Kennedy and Connolly.
	The magic bullet that crushed bone, but came out incredibly preserved.
	So pristine.
	And that is what we, the public, can view even now, today.
	And that bullet, if it was a human being, ought to be just like A perfect human being with just part of the head dented in.
	Other than that, fingerprints, everything from the neck down.
	And where do you think this magic bullet came from?
	I think it was obviously planted.
	It was so perfect.
	And who could have planted it?
	The ones who killed Kennedy.
	And who killed Kennedy?
	The only ones who could have pulled it off and covered it up as well as they have.
	Though as you know, information seems to be coming out.
	It has to be elements of our government.
	That's right.
	Combine CIA and the service, all of it.
	Well, one never knows.
	Bye.
	The magic bullet, huh?
	I've not seen that special, so I haven't had an opportunity to see this.
	I guess the Kennedy assassination... We were talking about conspiracies last week.
	The Kennedy assassination would It used to be clearly number one, but I think it's probably slipped behind 9-11 and some others to possibly number three or number four.
	I'm going to actually make a list.
	First time, no, yes, first time, Golder Line, you're on the air.
	Oh, hi, this is Carl.
	I'm calling about the global warming you were talking about.
	Yes, Carl.
	And I have some data on that that is pretty probably relevant as far as what's going on Well, turn your radio off for me, please.
	Okay, I'll have to hold one second.
	Yes, have your radio handy, folks, so that you can turn it off.
	That's really important.
	So have your phone right next to your radio or whatever.
	Okay.
	All right, proceed.
	Yeah, it's some of the data as far as the factor of what's going on.
	The source of the global warming, where it's coming from.
	Once you know that, it can tell you quite a bit as far as what you might want to do.
	Okay, what is the source, Carl?
	The total energy that reaches the Earth is about 75 trillion watts of energy from the Sun.
	Okay, so you're saying the source of global warming is the Sun?
	No, I'm saying that there's approximately 75 trillion watts.
	If you look at the energy statistics of the total energy that's produced on the planet, as far as the nuclear fossil fuels... Right, everything together.
	Right.
	The energy industry has a term that they use for that.
	They call it a quad.
	And a quad is a quadrillion BTUs.
	of energy and the total quads that is released into the environment is 330 quads per year.
	Okay, so you're saying it's the industrialization of mankind.
	Yeah, it's basically like it's the energy that's...
	That we're using.
	Well, that we're releasing into the environment.
	Okay, well that's the same argument the scientists make.
	And to me, it doesn't make a lot of difference.
	Because, to be honest with you, to be frank with you, I don't think we can turn it around anyway.
	Even if the argument were completely resolved, and it is very political, those on the right say there is no such thing as global warming, it's all a myth, a leftist myth, to put the clamps on production to hurt the economy, whatever the argument is.
	So it doesn't matter.
	To me it doesn't matter.
	What we do know for sure is that the warming is going on, so I believe that we need to make Decisions now about how agriculture is going to change, so that when we go to the grocery store in hopes of getting something to eat for the family, there'll be something on the shelf to get.
	And if we don't make those decisions, if we don't plan properly for the changes that are going to occur one way or the other, then I suppose we get everything we deserve.
	That's about it, folks.
	No matter where it's coming from, the fact of the matter is it's absolutely happening.
	So we better get moving really soon.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Oh yes, I'm well aware that anything from the Russian press could be pure bunk, and of course that's why I added the word alleged when I read that story.
	And so there may not be plans to immediately move half of Australia's people anywhere at all.
	However, what's not bunk Is the horrid drought that's going on there and in fact they may actually be reduced down to drinking water and not able to irrigate the farming portion of their country and that's information generally available anywhere on the internet.
	Take a look at the plights of Australia with respect to water and the drought situation going on right now.
	That part of it is absolutely accurate as far as the rest of it is concerned.
	The Russian press Tends to exaggerate and print rumors as reality and that's why I added that.
	I was very careful to add that word because I didn't particularly believe it either.
	At any rate, we will continue with your calls.
	Anything you want to talk about in a moment.
	Alright, back to the lines and let's see what's up.
	East of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	East of the Rockies.
	Yes, hello?
	Hi Art, it's great to, this is Spencer calling you from Rome, Georgia.
	Sorry to give my last name, but I didn't realize, I just called, I didn't realize I was going to get on the air that quickly.
	Well that's alright, you didn't give your last name, I just had to hit the button and eliminate it.
	So let's have your first name only, please.
	Okay, I'm sorry about that.
	Your first name?
	It's an honor to talk to you.
	Okay, thank you.
	Your first name is?
	Spencer.
	Thank you.
	It is an honor to talk to you, Art.
	I love the show, I've been listening for about a month.
	My friend Dalton, who I'd like to say hi to, introduced me to the show, and he would be a friend of yours, too, if you knew him.
	I have a question about the bees.
	Why do you think that it has been so unreported by most of the major news companies?
	And I think that we might know more about it, and there might have been more research about it, if they had been reporting it, but it has gone largely unreported, with the exception of your show.
	And why do you think that is?
	Well, that's a damn good question.
	I really, I don't have the answer to that.
	And you're right.
	Something this dire should be gigantic national news.
	And I suppose it probably has been, although I haven't seen it, reported by others.
	Now that you mention it, I really haven't seen any reporting.
	Have you?
	I have not.
	I have not.
	And I watch CNN pretty regularly.
	My stomach usually turns when I watch Fox News, but I do tune in to Fox News on occasion.
	They did run one story about it last week, but again, nothing compared to what the election is getting.
	We're already seeing the election being run ad nauseum.
	I really do think that this is a problem that we are going to see.
	It really could destroy the agricultural section of our nation.
	That would be a very sad thing to see, I think.
	Well, you know what?
	I don't have an answer for you, and I hadn't thought about it.
	I hadn't really thought about it until you called.
	Let's see, why would they not?
	They would certainly, you would think they would report it as an unanswered mystery, at the very least.
	Now, they don't have answers yet, and I would suggest that is the reason, but that's usually why politicians don't report something, because they have no answers.
	It's not why the media doesn't.
	So, damned if I know!
	Well, I'm glad that you and George are reporting it.
	You guys do a really great job, and I love your show.
	Thank you so very much.
	I'll give it some thought.
	Why hasn't there been more on it?
	One story he said on Fox.
	You would think something of this grave importance for all of humanity would be reported right across the board.
	Mainstream, top three story type news on the evening news, that sort of thing.
	But no.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Good morning, Art.
	Good morning.
	This is Jeff from South Central Kansas where it's balmy and windy.
	Yeah, South Central Kansas.
	How close are you to some of the disaster?
	Well, some of it's coming right by our door.
	Fortunately, we've just had some heavy rain and some wind, but we're about 90 miles East, a little bit north of Greensburg, Kansas, where I have some relatives that used to live there.
	My God, that place was, I saw the pictures on CNN, virtually gone.
	95% of the city is what they're saying now.
	Yeah.
	It's about 1800 people.
	There was a place called the world's deepest hand dug well and all the thing, and they had a thousand pound meteorite and they say it's somewhere underneath all this stuff.
	I have not seen any reports yet on the F rating of that tornado, which was said to be about a mile wide.
	Have you?
	Last night they were saying F2, although I haven't heard any revision to that.
	There was a line of storms that went through the Texas Panhandle, through Oklahoma, through all the way through Kansas and into Nebraska, over 100 miles long.
	And last night they had around 11 tornadoes.
	Tonight's last I heard was 10.
	Really, really scary stuff.
	I used to chase those when I was a lot younger in Amarillo, Texas with a friend of mine who actually became and is still a weatherman in Louisiana.
	They're very frightening storms.
	They're just incredible storms and common pretty much only to North America.
	It's where we get so much cold air meeting so much warm air and of course that's what it is, a collision of air masses and pressure differences.
	Exactly right.
	They're calling the one that hit Greensburg a wedge tornado.
	A wedge tornado, okay.
	Very wide.
	Yeah, very wide.
	About a mile, as I said.
	That's incredible.
	Alright, thank you very, very much for the call.
	Yeah, it's horrible what's going on in the middle part of the country.
	It's absolutely horrible and it's not over yet.
	My understanding is that it will continue to some degree or lesser or greater degree tomorrow.
	So I guess I'm glad I'm not there.
	I really used to enjoy that sort of thing when I was younger, but at a distance you can actually reasonably safely chase thunderstorm lines and systems that probably are going to produce tornadoes if you know what you're doing.
	I was with somebody who knew what he was doing, but there were a few times that we got too close for comfort, and you can easily make a mistake.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Yeah, Art.
	This is Bob.
	I'm calling from Kentucky, but I'm from Iowa.
	Yes, sir.
	And I heard a program that you did two or three weeks ago with a fellow that interviewed Dr. Bushman.
	You remember that?
	Actually, I don't.
	I think George maybe was talking to him, but it was about the guy that invented reverse technology with the magnets on the saucers.
	It was about Area 51.
	Okay.
	I'm in the dark so far, but that's quite all right.
	Go ahead.
	Okay.
	Well, two days after that, I think it was on the 17th, but two days after that, We drive trucks, so we were back in Iowa, and I was running across Highway 20 in Iowa, in Northern Iowa, and I came up on some DOT, a flatbed, had something on the back of the flatbed.
	It looked military.
	Right.
	And, but I didn't really, I didn't really think too much of it, but it had pilot cars in front of it, and then it had Department of Transportation vehicles in front of those with their lights on flashing.
	And when somebody would try to go around it, the officers would block their path so they couldn't get too close.
	And somebody said, oh, we followed him probably for 40 miles.
	And another driver that was going by the other way, he said it looked like a flying saucer.
	So I got a little bit closer.
	Really?
	As close as I could get, and I took a few pictures.
	And I was able to blow him up on my phone so I could kind of see it.
	The thing was exactly, I went to your website, and I looked at some of the pictures that was on there that the doctor had designed, and the dome on top of this thing was almost, it was exactly what the diagram was on your website.
	Well alright, not fully understanding the interview you're referring to, I would nevertheless very much enjoy seeing the photographs, which I assume you saved, right?
	Yeah, I've got them on my phone.
	I sent them to my email and I blew them up using one of the Patriots.
	What it is, is it goes across the interstate.
	When it's on the right side of the interstate, part of this thing goes over.
	It's at a slant.
	It's at a 90-45 degree angle.
	Okay, I've got it.
	Alright, send me a copy of the photograph or the enlarged photograph if you would so desire.
	I'm Art Bell at MindSpring, M-I-N-D-S-P-R-I-N-G dot com.
	ArtBell at MindSpring dot com.
	That's A-R-T-B-E-L-L or ArtBell at A-O-L dot com.
	Would love to see it and if it's detailed enough, I worry People using cell phone cameras, though they are getting better, usually lack the kind of definition you would want to have for that sort of thing, but I'd nevertheless love to see it, and if it is fairly decent definition, and fairly obvious, we'll put it up for all to see.
	Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
	Oh, good morning, how are you doing?
	I'm doing well, sir.
	I spoke with you last week about a... Turn your radio off, please.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	Hey, Walter, turn the radio down, please.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Thank you.
	I spoke with you last week about a liquid-filled cockpit.
	We had some communication problems, but... We're still having them now because the radio's still on.
	Walter, shut it off, please.
	Thank you.
	I'm sorry about that.
	It's my co-driver here.
	All right.
	A liquid-filled cockpit.
	Yes, I recall.
	And, like I said, your guest asked me if it was tested, and it was static tested on the ground, and that was the last time I got to see it.
	But the next caller that came on said that he had actually called the show about a liquid-filled cockpit some years earlier, yes.
	Yeah, for the SR-71, which is not a high-G aircraft.
	If you've ever taken a hop in one of them, it's built for speed and height.
	I mean, it takes very good pictures.
	But getting to those speeds, you would encounter some pretty high G's, I would assume.
	I don't think so.
	I don't know.
	But like I said, the suit that the pilot wore when we static tested this thing was a space suit, which is what they wore in the SR-71 also, I believe.
	Right.
	But that's about all I could get through on that.
	I still haven't heard anything else about it.
	I've never heard You know, as far as UFO clashes goes, I've never heard of anyone coming up on one that was liquid filled, but your guest said he had heard of one, but I don't know what his book was, because I'd like to get it and read it.
	All right, well, we'll put out the feelers, and if anybody knows any reference material to that, it does make sense to me.
	Seems to me that if you're immersed in some kind of liquid, Particularly with a, you know, a fairly decent consistency, that there would be some protection, particularly if you had taken a DNI.
	I know there's been a lot of science fiction written about actually people using liquid-filled suits to both go actually under the ocean, you know, down to very great depths where there's a very great deal of pressure.
	And I would presume that it would also act against high G pressure as well.
	So, any more about that and we'll see what we can get together.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Yes, hi.
	Hi, Art?
	Yes.
	This is Beverly from Ohio.
	Hi, Beverly.
	How are you this morning?
	Hi.
	Good.
	I have maybe a project or a test we could do.
	I'm a person I believe in positive thinking, you know, the power of positive thinking and prayer and that kind of stuff.
	And I was thinking with your audience, as large as it is, that maybe we could do something like at the same time, around a certain time of day, everybody can think, have a positive thought of let there be peace on earth and harmony.
	And I suppose, you know, I think that's been done many times.
	I don't think it's actually been done on this program, at least not by myself.
	But I figured, like, you know, everybody told everybody they knew, and then they told everybody they knew, you know.
	And we could get a lot of people at the same time on a day having that, you know, putting that positive thought out there.
	Believe it or not, I'm not against such an idea.
	I simply have sort of trailed away from doing these experiments, though I did do one a month or so ago, a couple of months ago, about UFOs, which, by the way, worked.
	But I don't know.
	I'll give it some thought.
	I'm definitely not against the idea.
	God knows the world could use some real peace, couldn't it?
	West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
	Hello.
	Yes, hi Art.
	I would like to suggest, my name is Robin from California, and I love your program, long-time listener.
	I would love it if we would focus our energies, your entire audience, on opening up the storm doors and bringing water and rain into Australia.
	I used to gather together with girlfriends of mine, When we would have drought here in California, and they would say the storm doors are closed, we would be in a drought, and we would use rain sticks, the bamboo ones where you sound rain going back and forth with the beads running back and forth.
	Did it work?
	And every single time within two days, the storm doors would open and we would have rain.
	Well, the Australians sure can use it.
	Well, I think that with our audience, that with our collective mind power tapping into that matrix field, we could make it happen.
	Possibly.
	But again, the worry, and the reason why I've stopped tampering, as it were, with the weather, is suppose we were able to cause it to rain in Australia.
	We might then take rain from another area.
	In other words, rain that was supposed to go somewhere else might suddenly go to Australia.
	Or they might get flooding.
	I don't know.
	I'm giving the whole thing a lot of thought.
	I certainly have not given up on the idea of mass consciousness experiments.
	And that's what the last two callers have been talking about.
	I've definitely not given up on it.
	And I definitely would use it if I thought the situation was urgent enough.
	Really, life and death kind of urgent.
	And I guess it's getting close to that in Australia.
	Believe me, folks, I'm thinking about it.
	Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
	Hi.
	Oh, hello.
	Hello.
	Oh, I had my headphones off.
	Hello?
	Yes, hello.
	Again.
	My name is Larry.
	Okay, Larry, I'm going to have to take that out.
	We don't allow last names on the air, so we're going to try and do it all over again, and we're going to say your name is Larry only.
	From Cleveland.
	Yes, sir.
	Okay.
	On a global warming, the polar ice caps on Mars are melting also.
	Man is having nothing to do with the melting of the ice caps on Mars.
	So that means the global warming is coming from somewhere else.
	No, it doesn't.
	Well, the Sun does not just have an 11-year cycle, it also has an 11,000-year cycle.
	Well, I guess what I'm trying to say is, because something is occurring on Mars doesn't necessarily mean that's The same reason it's happening on Earth.
	We don't have that science nailed down any more than you apparently believe we have, you know, man-made global warming nailed down.
	So... That's true, too.
	Yes, it is.
	I'm saying man does not have something to do with it.
	They have a hell of a lot to do with it.
	My point is that I don't care.
	Either way, the fact is, it's happening.
	And so what I'm trying to say is, we need to begin to move the areas where we do our agriculture, because it's going to change.
	Whether or not man has a hand in it doesn't much matter.
	We've got to adjust, because it is happening.
	Yeah, well what they're going to do is go to hydroponics.
	Well, that's one possibility, but look, what's happening is the areas that are going to be agriculturally favorable are simply going to move north.
	If you get warming, then the areas in the northern plains and the southern portions of Canada are going to be fertile and excellent for crop growing.
	Well, the surface of the earth itself is warming up, which means the warmth is coming up from inside.
	That's why the permafrost is melting up in Alaska.
	Alright, well, even if that's the case, whatever the cause, as I mentioned earlier, I'm getting
	to the point because of the fight, I happen to personally believe man's hand has something
	to do with it, but because of the nature of the fight and the fact that it's delaying
	any real action, it's so damn political, it's delaying us, stopping us, paralyzing us from
	doing anything at all.
	And the fact is, it is changing.
	And so while we're arguing about whose fault it is, soon the grocery store shelves will be empty unless we get busy and begin actually doing something.
	From the High Desert and the Great American Southwest, I'm Art Bell.
	It's been a very long time since I've done something like we're going to do tonight.
	A cruise into Catholicism.
	Brother Michael Diamond is well known in the traditional Catholic world.
	He's been a traditional Catholic Benedictine monk for 14 years.
	He's one of the world's foremost experts on the changes that have occurred in the Catholic world since Vatican II.
	He is a producer of more than 10 DVD video documentaries on what he calls the post-Vatican II counterfeit Catholic Church prophecy and other subjects.
	He and his monasteries specialize in the study of how this post-Vatican II counterfeit Catholic Church contradicts Catholic doctrine and fulfills He's also the author of a recent book entitled Padre Pio, a Catholic priest who worked miracles and bore the wounds of Jesus Christ on his body.
	The tapes, magazines, and books produced by his monastery have been distributed in the hundreds of thousands.
	Now, he's produced a DVD called Death and the Journey into Hell, as well as one called Creation and Miracles, Past and Present, and The truth about what really happened to the Catholic Church after Vatican II.
	Outside the Catholic Church, there is absolutely no salvation.
	Those last two are books.
	So, Brother Michael Diamond, welcome to Coast to Coast AM.
	It's great to have you.
	Where are you actually physically located?
	It's about 75 miles southeast of Buffalo, New York.
	Okay, very good.
	If you can, fill me in on your education and how you have come to be where you are now.
	Well, actually I converted to Catholicism.
	I wasn't raised in any religion and around 15 I converted to Catholicism and I started to go to the local so-called Catholic Church and noticed many what I saw were problems with the way that they at mass conducted themselves, the people that were involved with the mass, the irreverence, and other problems that struck me as not being right, not being traditional, not being holy, not being reverent.
	And so I studied these issues much more deeply over the last, you know, 10 or 15 years.
	May I ask a question?
	Brother Diamond, what reference did you have if you had not You've been a Catholic prior to the age of 15.
	You say you went to what you called a so-called Catholic Church and noticed discrepancies, but based on what background?
	Well, just knowing some of the history of the Church, knowing how things were conducted, you know, quickly picking up that in the history of the Church they had the Mass in Latin, that the priest didn't face the people.
	The mass was in Latin.
	These kinds of things that didn't take that long to find out.
	So, just figuring out and finding out about some of those details, then I said to myself, well, why has this changed so much?
	And so, over the years, when I began to study this issue and all these issues pertaining to the church and church issues more deeply, I then began to understand that there was a much deeper problem going on, that there is a deliberate attempt, has been a deliberate attempt, to destroy the traditional teachings of the Catholic faith.
	I should not address you as father, is that correct, Father Michael Diamond, but rather brother?
	Correct.
	What is the, I'm not a Catholic yet, what is the distinction, please?
	The distinction would be that a priest is someone who's an ordained person that Would offer Mass, would bless things, would offer the Holy Sacrifice at the Mass, and has certain powers that are given to him in ordination that are not given to a brother.
	And as a Benedictine, is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Your, I hate to say job, but your function as a Benedictine would be what?
	It would be to serve God and help save other people's souls, and hopefully try to save my own soul in the process, and to educate people as to what the Catholic Church really teaches, because so many people are confused, and they don't really know what's going on, and so our particular study is to try to inform people as to what has really happened.
	Especially over the last 60 years, and that's why we put together this book, The Truth About What Really Happened to the Catholic Church After Vatican II.
	It's a 658-page book, has about 220 color photos, over 1,700 references, and it is, in our opinion, the most comprehensive book ever produced on the changes and what has been happening in the Catholic Church over the last roughly 60 years.
	As a benedictine, what kind of life do you lead, as opposed to, say, a priest?
	Well, in a lot of ways, the priest would be more sometimes out dealing with the people, whereas we are spending a lot of time studying and obviously praying.
	The difference would be mainly that the priests would deal more with the people, usually, although you do have some, obviously, priests that are in monasteries that are more contemplative.
	So, that would be the main difference.
	I had a long series of interviews, as I bet you're well aware, with Fr.
	Malachi Martin, the lead Fr.
	Malachi Martin.
	You knew him?
	Yes.
	Did you know him?
	We spoke a few times on the phone.
	He was very familiar with our monastery and what we did.
	Brother Joseph, our founder, actually went up to see him a few times and some other members of the community.
	I did speak to him a few times over the phone, but he was familiar with our monastery.
	It was kind of before, when he died actually, shortly after his death, that we really started to dig in more deeply on some of these issues.
	Unfortunately, he didn't have the opportunity to see some of our latest Works.
	Would you say that you share, that he shared, or you share, not sure which way to put it, but that the two of you share views on Rome?
	I would say that there are some issues where we would be in disagreement, and there are a lot of issues where we would be in agreement, such as he actually believed that the Novus Ordo Mass, that's the new Mass that was given by Paul VI to the world on April 3rd, 1969, is actually invalid in all vernacularized liturgies.
	And so we would actually be in agreement with him on that issue, and obviously he was pointing out that there are major problems going on in Rome and in the Church.
	Especially over the last 60 years, and indicated that the Third Secret, I think it was on your program several years ago, admitted actually that the Third Secret of Fatima speaks about at least one claimant to the papacy being completely under the control of Satan.
	And so we would also be in agreement that we are dealing with the last five claimants of the papacy are actually anti-popes.
	And they're actually working for Antichrist in trying to destroy all the traditional teachings and the sacraments of the Catholic Church.
	And that can be seen by the way that they've changed the Mass into essentially a Protestant service.
	They changed the rite to every sacrament.
	The changes that they made, actually, were made by the Church of England hundreds of years ago.
	After King Henry VIII died, they turned the priest around to face the people, they gave communion in the hand, they changed the Mass from Latin to English.
	All those changes that happened in the Church of England also happened and were caused by Paul VI, when he changed the Mass and the other sacraments.
	And all the new teachings that have flowed out of the Second Vatican Council, which was that huge council from 1962-1965, where you had all of these changes that we see now, came out of the Second Vatican Council.
	If you would, please explain to a layman why it's so serious that the Mass was changed from Latin to English.
	Okay, well, if you look at Matthew 26, 28 in your Bible, you can see the word of institution, or the words of institution by our Lord.
	He says, this shall be said for you and for many.
	He uses the word many.
	And they now, when they changed the Mass and used the vernacularized translations of the Mass when they came out, they changed the word, many to all.
	And the Church has specifically stated that if you change the words that Jesus Christ specifically instituted for any sacrament, in this case the Eucharist, and you change the word and the new word doesn't mean the same thing as the word that was instituted by Jesus Christ, the sacrament's invalidated.
	And you can find in the Catechism of the Council of Trent, on page 227, a long paragraph, why Jesus used many.
	Pope St.
	Pius V states clearly what the essential words of consecration are, and after listing the words of consecration, he says, if anyone changes or removes any of these words in the consecration of the body and blood of the Lord, and by these change of words does not signify the same thing as these words do, he does not confect the sacrament.
	And so this is actually the fulfillment of changing many to all, which doesn't validate the sacrament, does actually fulfill the prophecy of the sacrifice ceasing, as predicted by Daniel, and as predicted by our Lord in Matthew 24, 15, when he talks about, "...when you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation standing where it ought not."
	So, these are the kinds of things that are predicted to happen at the end of the world.
	that people will see.
	And by that very act of changing the essential words of consecration, that one act caused these people, Catholics throughout the whole world, when they were going to actually a valid Mass, receiving a valid Eucharist, now all of a sudden they were not.
	And then Paul VI changed the rite of ordination on June 18, 1968, and the pattern of deletions that he put into this new ritual of ordination for priests and bishops is almost word-for-word identical to the Anglican Protestant rite of ordaining and consecrating bishops.
	And that rite, the Anglican rite of ordination, was declared as being invalid by Pope Leo XIII in his papal boleps deletio curiae of September 13, 1896.
	Because in the Anglican ritual, they remove certain prayers, for example, that were said by the bishop to the priest, the potential priest, the ordinan, Like, for example, the bishop would say, receive the power to offer sacrifice, to bless, to lead, to preach, to forgive sins.
	All these things were deleted.
	Well, the same deletions were made by Paul VI.
	So if you apply the same principle that if the Anglican right of ordination is invalid and was declared to be invalid because they removed these specific prayers, well, Paul VI did the very same thing on June 18, 1968.
	So then it causes a grave doubt.
	Whether these priests that have been ordained since that time in the diocesan structure have actually been ordained.
	So, it's a deliberate plan by the devil, ultimately, carrying out his operation through people, to destroy and annihilate the Catholic Church.
	So, all of these ordinations since that time, in your estimation, would be invalid?
	With the exception of those groups, which there are many of them out there, that have clung to The traditional rites of ordination and offering the Mass, of course, the Latin Trientine Mass, there are Eastern Rite liturgies that are still valid, so those will be valid, but the majority, of course, which are controlled by this counterfeit Catholic Church, this anti-Church that has arisen since the Second Vatican Council,
	Almost 100% of them are using this new ritual.
	So with the exception of these really old priests that are still alive, many of which are retired, all the rest of these priests that are being, quote, ordained are not actually being ordained.
	So this is something that is really significant and important for people to realize, because this is about whether people are actually receiving valid sacraments Whether they're actually going to a validly ordained priest.
	And it was done and carried out by the devil.
	And it was predicted.
	Actually, Pope Leo XIII, who was a pope about 100 years ago, had a vision after Mass in which he heard the devil and our Lord speaking, and the devil boasted that he could destroy the Catholic Church.
	And our Lord said, well, if you think you can, how much time and power do you need?
	And the devil responded, about 75 to 100 years, and much more power over those who will give themselves to my service.
	And so, Pope Leo XIII claimed that our Lord said then, the time and the power will be given to you.
	So it's sort of the great testing at the end of the world, the great apostasy that's predicted to happen, the great falling away that God will allow to happen at the end of the world as a punishment for the sins of the world.
	As our Lord allowed His own body to be placed in the hands of His enemies, He will allow the infrastructure, the buildings, of the Church, and what were held by Catholics, to be given over, to be usurped and controlled by his enemies, people who will claim to be Catholic, and say, hey, we're still the Catholic Church, but the teachings and the dogmas will be different, and the Mass will be different as it is, the sacraments will be different, a new Rosary, a new Code of Cannell Law, a new Catechism, new teachings, and new outlook.
	Alright, then, doing the simple math, according to what you've said, those years have more or less elapsed, or nearly elapsed, so we should be in the final days now, huh?
	Yeah, he said about 75 to 100 years, but it's obvious that God has allowed him to be given a little bit more time, but we're right at the end.
	What signs beyond the deterioration in the Catholic Church that you see?
	I mean, there would be many signs toward the end, yes?
	And there should be other apparent signs.
	Yes.
	Well, I think that if you look, for example, at the real possibility of a nuclear war, for example, if you look at the so-called gay marriage being legalized, And there are many other signs, for example, that are given people that will speak out against homosexuality, for example.
	Eventually, if this goes on long enough, probably will be jailed if they will publicly speak out against that kind of abominable activity.
	You have these kinds of signs being seen, which are predicted to happen at the end of the world.
	This great apostasy.
	Will there be any faith on earth?
	Jesus says in Luke 18, 8.
	Will I find faith when I return?
	It will be as in the days of Noah, he says.
	But one of the biggest signs is the fact that what has happened to the Catholic Church.
	Namely, that you have those clear predictions of the man of sin Sitting in the temple of God, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 verses 3 and 4, St.
	Paul says he's not going to sit in the temple, he's going to sit in what appears to be the main church of the Catholic religion, St.
	Peter's Basilica in Rome.
	Many biblical scholars believe that God will allow as a punishment for the sins of the world, as I was saying earlier, for the church to be infiltrated, occupied, and seemingly controlled by his enemies, by heretics and apostates.
	And one thing that Malachi Martin said it was very interesting at the Second Vatican Council, he heard many of these leftist liberal heretical theologians say, before we left the Catholic Church throughout history, but this time we're going to stay in the Church and change it from within.
	So, some of these people who would go off and start their own Protestant Church or some other church, this time the goal was, and what God would allow, for these heretics and apostates to infiltrate The buildings and rise to, quote, positions of authority and power in the Catholic Church, or what will seem to be positions of authority and power, because they'll be sitting in there.
	They'll be sitting in the Temple of God.
	These churches that really belong to the Catholic Church, they'll be usurped and controlled and occupied by Christ's enemies.
	And they'll give you these new teachings and say, hey, this is the new kind of Catholic religion.
	That we don't try to convert people any longer, we esteem every religion on the planet, it doesn't make any difference what religion you belong to, on and on and on.
	And this has led to this massive crisis.
	All these scandals, really, are caused principally by this, because the people that are operating, for the most part, in these post-Vatican II churches, do not believe that the Catholic faith is necessary.
	So, and then also you have the predictions on the Whore of Babylon, which many Protestants think is talking just about the Catholic Church, when actually you look at the predictions of the Whore of Babylon, it's actually talking about a counterfeit Catholic Church that will arise, and it talks about clothed in purple and scarlet, which are of course the colors of bishops and cardinals, and how the Whore holds a golden cup in her hand full of abomination and filthiness, and of course the Mass is offered, the golden chalice And that the Church flees into the wilderness, and that the Whore is occupying and dominating the scene, and that Babylon is a codename that St.
	Peter gives in 2 Peter for the city of Rome, and it says, Babylon, Rome has fallen, has fallen.
	He's talking about Rome will fall away from the Catholic faith, many of the people there, and that a new kind of Church will arise that will actually not be the Catholic Church, but will be a false, counterfeit Catholic Church.
	And you believe that's already occurred?
	That has occurred, yes.
	Father Martin told me some things about the Third Secret of Fatima.
	One of the things he said publicly was that it is, he said, Art, the very worst that you can possibly imagine.
	The worst thing you could cook up in your mind.
	It's worse than that.
	Yes.
	Do you agree with that?
	Absolutely, because here's the dilemma that people believe that they're faced with, that, well, these guys that are giving me all these new teachings are, what they think, are the leadership of the Catholic Church.
	How could this happen?
	How could God allow this to happen?
	And in this case, specifically, it's pointing out the person who will claim to be the head of the Catholic Church, who will be an antipope.
	The Catholic Church has dealt with 40 antipopes in her history.
	And an antipope, by definition, is an uncanonically elected pope.
	And, for example, Pope Paul IV wrote a bull called Cumex Apostolos Officio, where he said that no Catholic can accept someone who's a manifest heretic as the pope, even if he seems to be elected by all the cardinals.
	So, a person who's an antipope could be an illegitimate claimant because there's a real pope somewhere else, and that's usually been the case throughout history.
	But someone, a pope, or someone who claims to be a pope, can also become an antipope, or be an antipope, by the very fact that he's a manifest heretic, or a public heretic.
	And this is summed up in the words of St.
	Robert Bellarmine.
	He states that a, quote, a pope who is a manifest heretic automatically ceases to be pope and head of the Catholic Church, just as he ceases to be a Christian and a member of the Church, wherefore he can be judged and punished by the Church.
	This is the teaching of all the ancient fathers.
	Well, I just can't imagine that Rome would be all that happy with you.
	I bet they're not.
	Listen, Brother Diamond, we're at a break point, so hold tight and we'll be right back.
	My guest is Brother Michael Diamond, and we're talking about the Catholic Church, sort of.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Indeed, here I am.
	Brother Michael Diamond is my guest.
	He's talking about what he calls the counterfeit Catholic Church, and we're going to explore this a little bit.
	I'm, of course, not officially a Catholic.
	I've been to any number of masses, which, by the way, were in English for the most part, so I guess by Brother Diamond's assessment, those would have been counterfeit.
	At any rate, back to it and Brother Diamond in a moment.
	Alright, Brother Diamond, a question for you.
	Would it be fair to characterize you, after your comments on gay marriage, and your comments on what you regard as the fake Catholic Church, would it be fair to say that you're a conservative, fundamentalist Catholic?
	Well, I mean, there's only one kind of Catholic.
	You're not a fundamentalist Catholic.
	Well, there's only one kind of Catholic.
	You earlier referred to the leftist liberals yourself, so then there must be only leftist liberals.
	Well, I'm only saying that because most of the people out there don't realize that these guys aren't Catholics.
	So I have to describe them as what would be seen as leftist, liberal, heretical, quote, Catholics.
	Well then, would it be unfair to describe you as a conservative, fundamentalist Catholic?
	Well, I'd say, yeah.
	I mean, I guess, you know, traditionalist Catholic, that's what we would call it.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	You know, it's funny.
	A couple of weeks ago, maybe a week ago, I read what probably is not really a letter to Dr. Laura, the talk show host.
	But it makes several really interesting points, nevertheless.
	It purports to be a letter to Dr. Laura.
	Let's put it that way.
	And she has a position regarding homosexuality and gay marriage and all the rest of it.
	She regards it as an abomination and quotes Leviticus 18.22.
	I think that would be correct, wouldn't it?
	An abomination?
	Yes.
	And somebody writes to Dr. Loren, then refers to some other, since you agree with her, some other things.
	For example, A, when I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord.
	Leviticus 1.9, the problem is my neighbors.
	I claim the odor is not pleasing to them.
	Should I smite them?
	I'd like to sell my daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21-7 in this day and age.
	What do you think would be a fair price for her?
	You know, this is comedic in a way, but in a way it's not.
	It asks some very interesting questions about Old scripture.
	I know that I'm allowed, for example, no contact with a woman while she's in her period of menstrual uncleanliness.
	Leviticus 15, 19, 24.
	Problem is, how do I tell I've tried asking, but most women take offense?
	Then there's Leviticus 25, 44 stating, I may need, indeed, possess slaves.
	Well, I guess that is, in the Bible, both male and female, provided they're purchased from neighboring nations.
	A friend of mine claims it applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians.
	Can you clarify why can't I own Canadians?
	You know, and it goes on and on.
	I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.
	Exodus 35-2 clearly states he should be put to death.
	Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
	A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Leviticus 11-10, A lesser abomination than homosexuality?
	I don't agree.
	Can you settle this?
	Well, I don't know whether she did or not.
	Leviticus 21.20 states, I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight.
	I have to admit, I wear reading glasses.
	Does my vision have to be 20-20 or is there some wiggle room here?
	In other words, there's a lot, I guess, and it goes on and on.
	There's a lot in the Bible that may or may not apply to today.
	How would you handle those questions?
	Well, I would say that some things are a matter of discipline, and some things are divine laws that are unchangeable for any time.
	And so we're now in the New Covenant, not under the Old Covenant.
	And so these kinds of things, some of which obviously have changed, they're not divine laws.
	So there is some cherry-picking that's allowed?
	Well, no, no, it's not cherry-picking.
	It's just something where it's under a new covenant.
	And so some things are allowable in a certain age or during a certain time.
	But during a different time, they are not allowed because they're what are called disciplinary laws.
	And there are other laws that can never be changed.
	And who decides which is which?
	I mean, these are all Old Testaments.
	That's why Jesus set up a church, so that people would know and how they could differentiate and decide and know what they are to do and what's permissible and what's not.
	That's why he established a church, and he says he gives authority to the head of the church, for example, to decide certain issues of faith or morals, what they mean.
	to enunciate to people what these teachings are to the whole world, so that everyone knows exactly what they have to believe to be Catholic.
	And so that's the whole point in the Church, because without a Church, you can't know.
	Without a supreme head of the Church, in certain situations, at certain times throughout history, telling people, this is what you have to do, this is what you cannot do, this is sin, this is not sin, These things will lead you to hell.
	These things will not lead you to hell.
	They will lead you to heaven.
	By the way, brother, I would like to talk to you about hell, since you had a DVD release called Death and the Journey into Hell.
	Can you speak to that?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Hold tight, because I was bad, and hell, for a talk show host, is missing a break.
	So we're going to take another break right now, and then we'll, I guess, go to hell.
	Alright, speaking of hell, Vinny in Bedford, Texas asks, please ask the brother if in his opinion all Protestants, for example, and we could go beyond that, are damned to hell.
	Well, when you say a Protestant, that would be someone that protests against a teaching of the Catholic Church.
	So if someone would say that I don't accept the Catholic Church or Catholic teachings, or I reject that you can ask for the help of, say, Our Lady and saints to help you pray, that they will pray to God and assist you, then obviously he would be a heretic, and the Church declares that You have to be a Catholic and have the Catholic faith to be saved, so if that person would reject obstinately or pertinaciously a teaching of the Catholic Church, he would be outside the Church and be on the road to damnation.
	And so, yes, he would, any person that would reject, say that they would reject the teachings of the Catholic Church, Would be lost according to the infallible teachings of the Catholic Church.
	Brother, do you believe in the traditional hell, fire, brimstone, that kind of hell?
	Eternal hell, fire?
	Yes.
	Our Lord talks about how the fire will be there, and that it's never ending.
	And that's why, as you were pointing out about Father Malachi Martin, it's the third secret talking about the worst thing that you could ever imagine.
	The worst thing that could happen to anyone is that they lose their soul.
	And so if you have a church that claims to be the true church that people are going to and they think they're receiving the sacraments, they think that they're pleasing to God, by going to this church and giving them phony sacraments, a phony faith, a counterfeit faith, and that these people, if they continue to follow these heretical teachings that are contrary to what the official teachings of the Catholic Church are, they will lose their souls.
	So that's the worst thing that could happen to someone, is that they lose their souls.
	Of course.
	Their soul.
	That's what our Lord says, that what is the profit of man if he gains the whole world and yet suffers the loss of his soul?
	Of course.
	All right, I get little messages by computer as we're doing the program, and I'm getting a lot, and so let's just clear this up.
	Julie in Colony Heights, New York.
	I mean, you understand that a lot of what you're saying For a lot of people it's very controversial and is shaking them up.
	And again, it's something where we're just trying to tell people in true charity because we care about other people.
	We want to tell them the truth and we want to see them save their souls.
	We don't want to see them lose their souls.
	Alright, on that score, Julie would like to clear this up.
	Mr. Bell, this man is a fraud.
	I asked my local priest about him.
	Apparently you were on the air previously, I guess, with George.
	And Mr. Diamond is well known to the RCC.
	He was never baptized in RCC.
	He's not even a valid RCC, much less a Benedictine.
	Want to respond to that?
	Sure.
	I mean, she's saying that I was never even baptized.
	I mean, that's just frankly ridiculous.
	Baptized in RCC.
	What was that?
	Her actual words were, he was never baptized in RCC.
	In the Roman Catholic Church.
	That's not true.
	I was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church.
	And is not even a valid RCC, much less a Benedictine.
	Well, no, that's not true either, because the founder of our community, who founded it back in the 1960s, came from the first and largest Benedictine community in western Pennsylvania, St.
	Vincent's Arch Abbey, and left with the permission of the then one-time Arch Abbot, Dennis Stripmatter, to start his own community, which he then started in the 1960s in southern New Jersey.
	And that's the community that I went to.
	Obviously, this community is not recognized as a Catholic community by the post-Vatican II Church.
	They recognize as Catholics and as monasteries people who are practicing Zen Buddhism in their so-called Benedictine monasteries and, you know, going on joint retreats with Buddhists and people of other religions, steaming other religions, going into synagogues, mosques, false worship, temples, and so forth.
	So, you know, these people that they recognize as real valid Catholic communities are actually not Catholics, because they've given up the traditional Catholic faith, and we haven't.
	Have you been excommunicated by the Catholic Church?
	No.
	No, actually, they've excommunicated themselves by the very fact that they have obstinately held these heretical positions which are contrary to what the Church has infallibly defined.
	The popes, for example, state on certain issues of faith or morals that if anyone denies this, let him be anathema.
	And so these people who have rejected what these true, valid popes have infallibly defined are actually the ones that have excommunicated themselves, ipso facto.
	Automatically, by that very fact that they hold positions that are not in line with what these true, valid popes have taught throughout history, they're actually outside the Church.
	And so it's quite ironic that they try to accuse us of not being in the Catholic Church when they themselves are not in the Church.
	Much of what Father Malachi Martin said was somewhat radical as well, in a sense, about the current state of the Church.
	Why do you think he was not excommunicated in his lifetime?
	I'm not sure exactly why he wasn't excommunicated.
	They didn't attempt to excommunicate him.
	I mean, when you actually look at it, it's quite ironic that they would try to.
	It's quite ridiculous that they would actually try to excommunicate anyone, when they've actually said, Paul VI, for example, stated, who claimed to be a pope in the late 1960s and 1970s, that he has lifted the excommunications against the Eastern schismatics.
	But they actually have attempted to excommunicate certain People who claim to be traditional Catholics.
	One example is Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, the founder of the Society of Pius X. He was excommunicated by John Paul II in early July 1988.
	After, on July 30th, 1988, he consecrated four bishops without the permission of the Vatican.
	And his explanation as to why he did it was that he wanted to make sure that Valid masses were going to be set in the future according to the traditional rites of the Catholic Church, and yet in 72 hours, John Paul II excommunicated him.
	This is quite amazing, considering the fact that John Paul II gave relics and donations to openly schismatic groups, such as the Eastern so-called Orthodox.
	He gave them relics, donations, including a $100,000 donation to one openly schismatic church.
	John Paul II went into the synagogue in Rome and bowed his head as the Jews said a prayer for the coming of their Messiah, which they don't believe it's Christ, on April 13th, 1986.
	He, on March 21st, 2000, John Paul II said, May St.
	John the Baptist protect Islam, a religion that denies the divinity of Christ, and says that all Christians are damned, and went into the mosque, on and on and on.
	He actually, John Paul II, speaking about him, Gilbert Levine, who is a friend of John Paul II, a Jewish man, appeared on CNN's Larry King Live and admitted that John Paul II actually gave him a menorah and sent his children letters of congratulations on the days that they had their bar mitzvahs.
	This is something that, if anyone studies the history of the Catholic Church, is clearly stated as being apostasy from the Catholic faith.
	And so, the Church teaches that if you obstinately or pertinaciously deny or doubt a teaching of the Catholic Church, you automatically place yourself outside the Church.
	And so, you can see these kinds of actions.
	Banks 16th, for example, on August 19, 2005, goes into the synagogue in Cologne, Germany, and recites the Kaddish prayer with the chief rabbi.
	And then on November 30, 2006, he goes into the Blue Mosque.
	In Turkey, and actually takes his sandals off, they show him around the mosque, they then, the Muftis then instruct him as to how to hold his hands in the Islamic way, and then he walks over and faces east towards Mecca and prays with a Mufti.
	This is to join Islam.
	It's not the exact way a Muslim would consider someone as joining Islam, but for a Catholic, what he did the next 16th, going into the mosque and doing that, is definitely to join a different religion.
	And the people are obviously scandalized by this.
	They're going to go into the mosques.
	They're going to go into the synagogues.
	They're going to say, it doesn't make any difference what religion you belong to.
	And this denies what these different popes have stated about the one true Christian faith, the Catholic faith, being necessary for salvation, and that we are trying to bring people to Catholicism.
	It's actually summed up in the words of One cardinal of the Novus Ordo Church, who stated that before Vatican II, we understood ecumenism in the sense of a return in which the others would become Catholics and be converted.
	This has been entirely abandoned since Vatican II.
	And so, there is no call to conversion.
	There's just statement after statement about how they esteem Islam, that they esteem all these different religions.
	And so these people are left in darkness, and these people have no charity for these other people.
	They don't care about them at all.
	And it's obviously contrary to the Bible, and that's why a lot of non-Catholics, even a lot of Protestants, can see the activities of this so-called hierarchy of the post-Vatican II Church as being apostate, because it's clearly against words of Scripture, where Jesus says, unless you believe in me, you'll die in your sins.
	He who believes and is baptized shall be saved, he who does not shall be condemned.
	John 3, 5.
	So these millions of people attending these masses that are done in English, or other than the traditional mass, are really wasting their time, and the ordinations that have been done are all not real.
	That kind of sums it up?
	In other words, the whole thing is false?
	It's something where a goodly portion of what they're doing, obviously, is invalid, and at this point in time in history, and how far that they've gone into apostasy... I'm sorry to interrupt, brother, but we've got a break here.
	We'll be right back.
	Here I am.
	My guest is Brother Michael Diamond, and he is contending, if I've been listening carefully, and I think I have, that the modern Catholic Church is counterfeit.
	That's right, counterfeit.
	That masses that are not said properly or in the proper language, Latin, if they're in English, they're counterfeit.
	They're not real.
	That the ordination of priests is false.
	That those ordinations that have been done past a certain point are false.
	Which would make, I think, most of the modern priests not real from his point of view.
	Now, I am not a Catholic.
	My wife is a devout Catholic.
	No question about that.
	Ramona was a Catholic.
	No question about that.
	But I'm not really in a position to ask the questions I ought to really be asking, in my opinion.
	So I'm going to open the lines a little early, perhaps a little later this half hour, because what we're dealing with here is so incredibly controversial.
	I mean, it really In my way of thinking, it means that those who go to mass now, those who go to confession, those who receive communion, are not receiving the real thing, and therefore, I guess by definition, a conservative definition, are hellbound.
	And that would seem to affect an awful lot of people out there, and probably is going to put a lot of people off.
	At any rate, back to Brother Diamond in a moment.
	Brother Diamond, maybe you can explain to me if it's a counterfeit church, if there have been counterfeit ordinations, counterfeit masses.
	I've always had a hard time, even in lesser discussions, understanding how those who are devout and who have faith and believe And I watch my wife before meals cross herself and pray, and pray at bedtime.
	And how the truly devout, no matter the current construction of the Catholic Church, how these people will be bound for hell, that just doesn't make sense to me.
	Well, it's something where when you see the, for example, religious indifferentism that we're dealing with, Most of the people who claim to be Catholic, for example, on that issue alone have imbibed and assimilated this kind of heresy that it doesn't matter what religion you are.
	So actually, her crossing herself before the meal, if she holds, and again, I don't know exactly what she holds, but if her position is it doesn't make any difference what religion you really are, then see, all these things, they may be, they think neat and nice and And helpful in their own way of thinking, but they don't believe that they're really necessary.
	They don't believe the Catholic faith is necessary.
	And so... Well, I wouldn't ascribe that to her at all.
	I'm saying that they... But most people do believe that, and they see that Bank 16 is going into the mosque, and he's facing east towards Mecca, and they're going into the synagogue, and We're praising different religions constantly.
	I mean constantly, because next year will be 40 years straight worth of Vatican official newspapers that I've gone through, weekly issues, and you can see this apostasy.
	It's constant.
	It's all the time, and people are imbibing this stuff, and it's a denial of what the Church teaches, that there is one means of salvation, and that is the Catholic faith.
	Most of the people have accepted this, or they don't care.
	And so, this is the problem.
	See, we have all the evidence, like this new book that I was telling you about, The Truth About What Really Happened to the Catholic Church After Vatican II.
	Nothing like this that we know of has ever come out.
	And it is irrefutable.
	If people simply just look at the facts, and even look at our website, MostHolyFamilyMonastery.com, and, you know, even if they have questions, they can call us any time at 585-567-1111.
	4433.
	And this is what's happening, though.
	And with this book now being available, for those of goodwill, they can look at the evidence, they can see the facts, they can see what has happened, and then they'll have to make their decision of what they're going to do about this.
	I mean, even the issue of abortion, for example, that some people think this post-Vatican II counterfeit Catholic Church stands Against.
	Actually, they don't stand against abortion because they allow people who support abortion to receive the sacraments.
	That's why none of them are excommunicated.
	They're able to receive the sacraments pretty much anywhere.
	None of them are ever excommunicated.
	Actually, there were some.
	I recall some politicians, I think, in New York State that were excommunicated for supporting abortion.
	Isn't that correct?
	No.
	No?
	No, not even John Kerry wasn't excommunicated.
	The others?
	There are numerous people who claim to be Catholic that support abortion, vote for it, and none of them are ever excommunicated.
	In fact, the United States Conference of so-called Catholic Bishops posted that their official policy would be that each bishop would decide for himself and his diocese whether he would give communion to people who support abortion, and Cardinal Ratzinger, at the time that this was drawn up, several years ago said that their policy of letting each bishop decide whether they give communion to pro-abortion politicians is, quote, very much in line with the way the Vatican sees this issue.
	So, therefore, you can support the killing of the unborn, and you can receive the sacraments.
	Okay?
	So when these people want to talk about how we're not Catholic, because we're traditional Catholics, they don't know what the Catholic faith is.
	In fact, actually, this one lady who wrote in talking about how she didn't think I was baptized in the Catholic Church, It's quite interesting, because many people have heard about just recently, Benedict XVI just attempted to do away with limbo.
	Now he says that unbaptized babies do not need to be baptized, that they can go to heaven without baptism.
	So they don't even believe baptism is necessary.
	It's just really, really interesting.
	And see, this is predicted by the fully approved apparition of Our Lady of La Salette.
	She appeared to two little children, In La Salette, France, September 19, 1846, and she said, Rome will lose the faith and become the seat of the Antichrist.
	The Church will be in eclipse, seemingly blocked out.
	And that this is predicted in the third secret of Fatima.
	The people have read it.
	The official theologian of Pope Pius XII stated, quote, in the third secret of Fatima, it is foretold, among other things, that the great apostasy in the Church will begin at the top.
	And so what is the Catholic Church?
	It's those people, and St.
	Athanasius stated that even, quote, even if the true Church is reduced to a handful of true believers and one priest, they remain the true Church of Jesus Christ on earth.
	Brother Diamond, is it your view that the entire Third Secret of Fatima was revealed, or just a portion thereof?
	No, actually none of it was revealed.
	Well, there was something a couple of years ago that I recall.
	Well, they claimed to reveal it, but the true third secret was not revealed.
	They released a document on June 26, 2000 that they purported to be the real third secret of Fatima.
	Yes.
	But it was not, because all the people who have really read the true third secret of Fatima stated, for example, That it speaks about a massive apostasy from the Catholic faith that will begin, as I just quoted that one theologian of Pius XII, will begin from what seems to be the very top of what a lot of people believe is the Catholic Church, namely a person who will claim to be Pope, who will actually be an anti-Pope, a heretical anti-Pope that will promote an apostasy against the traditional Catholic
	Religion.
	That is the crisis that we're dealing with, and it's the worst crisis of all the crises in the whole history of the Catholic Church.
	Is the Antichrist alive now?
	Absolutely.
	The spirit of Antichrist can be seen in, for example, what they're doing to the traditional teachings of the Church.
	It can be seen, for example, in what John Paul II promoted.
	Pope, at the beginning of the century, Pope Pius X, for example, spoke about that Antichrist is the replacing of God with man.
	Man in the place of God.
	And when we look at John Paul II's writings, for example, this is something I discovered looking at his writings.
	And you discover that he actually was teaching that actually every man is Christ.
	He taught that each man is the way, each man is the truth, each man is the life, On Christmas, in his first Christmas address that John Paul II gave on December 25, 1978, he said, Christmas is the feast of man.
	Christmas is not the feast of man.
	Christmas is the feast of the birthday of Jesus Christ.
	It is not the feast of man.
	In his first opening speech that he gave on October 22, 1978, he quotes the words of Matthew 16, 16, where St.
	Peter says to Jesus, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.
	And John Paul II says, the words, You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God, represent the new and definitive truth about man.
	About man?
	No, it represents the truth about Jesus Christ.
	And so, you can see that John Paul II himself, we saw the fulfillment of Rome losing the faith and becoming the Antichrist, during the reign of Paul VI, changing the Mass and all the sacraments and giving us all the heresies of Vatican II, and John Paul II, Putting man in the place of Christ, promoting that man is the way, man is the truth, man is the life, is religious indifferentism.
	But specifically, what the Bible states about Antichrist, and it's not mentioned at all in the Apocalypse, it's mentioned four times in the Bible, and it's mentioned in 1 John 2.22 and 1 John 4.2 and 3, who is Antichrist, that he that denieth Jesus is the Christ, this is Antichrist, In the other verse, 1 John 4, 2 and 3, "...and every spirit that dissolveth Jesus is not of God, and this is Antichrist."
	There was an early church heretic named Nestorius, and he taught that when God became a man, He did not become a man, but united Himself to a mere human being named Jesus, and therefore divided Christ.
	Okay?
	He said that God did not become a man, but united Himself to a mere human being named Jesus.
	Now, Pope Pius XI, who was a pope at the beginning of the century, stated in 1931, December 25th, that Nestorius attempted to dissolve Christ.
	Okay, speaking about what the Antichrist will do.
	Well, John Paul II taught that by the Incarnation, Christ united himself to every human being.
	And right after he talks about that, he states that Christianity is the deep amazement at each man.
	And so, we can see that John Paul II actually was attempting to dissolve Christ into every human being, and that's why he promoted so much About the dignity of man, the rights of man.
	It was all about man.
	It's not about God.
	It's the religion of Antichrist.
	Yes, but you mentioned the spirit of the Antichrist.
	But the spirit of the Antichrist eventually is to be embodied in the body of man, yes?
	Well, yes, there will be one final Antichrist, but it doesn't mean that there won't be many people who actually... Well, that's what I was asking about.
	Is it your view that he lives now?
	Sure.
	Definitely.
	And we can see it in Benedict XVI, who says in a document that he approved of in 2001, in this book that he approved of, That Jesus Christ does not have to be seen as the Messiah.
	He was the one.
	This is a book that the Vatican put out, where it states that Jesus Christ does not have to be seen as the Messiah.
	And He was the one that approved of this book.
	And He's made many other statements saying that Jesus does not have to be seen as the Christ, as the Messiah, as God, that people can freely reject Him.
	And so this is Antichrist.
	Every spirit that dissolves with Jesus is not of God, this is Antichrist.
	All right.
	Brother Diamond, I'd like to allow the audience to begin asking you some questions.
	Gary in New Mexico, you're on with Brother Michael Diamond.
	Hey, thank you.
	I had a question for him.
	According to the Code of Canon Law from 1917, section 1325 paragraph 2 states that a pope who fulfilled the canonical requirements for heresy, that is, Who doubted and denied one of the more truth-to-be-believed divine and Catholic faiths, would not have the moral right before God to be Pope.
	Therefore, his remaining in office would be illicit, that is, illegal.
	Still, if he refused to resign, he would still be the true Pope in the sense that his acts of papal governance would still be valid before God and the Church.
	And it should go without saying that his divine providence would never prevent him from defining his heresy as ex cathedra, that is, defining it as doctrine or dogma.
	Therefore, the brother's argument is entirely moot in the fact that irregardless if a pope commits an act of heresy, he's still valid in all his acts as pope, that is, ordaining or electing bishops, and those bishops then ordaining priests would still be valid before God.
	Okay, well, my answer to that is that there are certain things that happen by the ex opere operato, by the work which has been worked, The Church has always recognized the sacraments of the Eastern schismatics as being valid if they use the traditional rite and form, okay?
	They do have valid priests that they ordain and valid bishops that they can consecrate, but as far as a heretic still being Pope, that's not correct.
	A heretic, by definition, is someone who's not inside the Church but outside the Church.
	A heretic is someone Who is outside the Catholic Church.
	If someone's outside the Catholic Church, they do not have authority in the Church.
	And so that's why Pope Leo XIII, for example, points out that, quote, it is absurd to imagine that someone who is outside the Church can command in the Church.
	And that's why the Church has taught that a pope, a manifest heretic, could not be pope, because he would not be in the Church, but outside of it.
	All right.
	Jim in Las Vegas, over the hill.
	Yes, my question for the brother is, who is he to take away my religion?
	I, for 50 years, was a Protestant and agnostic, and then after attending Mass with my wife, who is also a devout Catholic, and also going through the RCIA, where I highly question everything, including the existence of God, reading St.
	Thomas Aquinas, and finally deciding that, yeah, this is for me.
	Who is this person to take away my religion from me, and I would have had nothing to do with it if it were not for Vatican II?
	Well, I would say that you're following something that's not the Catholic religion, and whether you like it doesn't mean that it's the Catholic religion.
	What determines what the Catholic religion is is what these valid popes throughout history have defined as being the dogmas and teachings that make up You know, what you have to hold to be Catholic.
	So the bottom line is... Who are you to say what's what, brother?
	Who am I to say that?
	Because a person who's a Catholic follows the teachings of true, valid popes.
	A person who's not a Catholic rejects the teaching of true, valid popes.
	You can't have it both ways.
	You can't follow what's been taught over the last 50 or 60 years.
	Do you believe you speak for God, brother?
	And not follow what the Church has taught throughout almost 2,000 years?
	You can't hear me, sir.
	Do you believe you speak for God, brother?
	I follow what the Church has taught.
	That's the bottom line.
	Okay, well that's... It's not to say that people that disagree with you don't have a valid point.
	No, it's about what the Catholic Church teaches.
	That's what you have to follow.
	Not a person.
	You have to follow what these popes have defined as being Catholic teachings.
	Okay, but Brother Diamond, do you understand the controversy you're creating?
	You know, that caller said, well, you're taking my faith, my religion, away from me.
	And I can understand how he feels that way.
	Well, no, actually these guys that are claiming to be popes and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church have attempted to take away the faith from people by destroying the sacraments, by changing all the teachings of the Church.
	I understand your position, brother.
	I'm just saying, do you understand where, for example, that color was coming from?
	To embrace what you have said, ...is to virtually be taking somebody's faith and religion and pulling the rug out from under them.
	No.
	Because this so-called church that they follow has, for example, fully agreed with the Lutherans on the doctrine of justification.
	John Paul II fully approved the Vatican-Lutheran agreement on justification on October 31st, 1999.
	In that document it says that the idea of justification by faith alone, which is solemnly condemned in the Bible, is something that, if you hold it, you are not seen as being condemned in Catholic teaching.
	So they agree with the Lutherans, which that doctrine, faith alone, that false doctrine, is not only condemned in the Bible, but is condemned 13 times at the Council of Trent as heresy, as something no one can hold and be a Catholic, has now been fully accepted by this post-Vatican II Church.
	So who follows the Catholic Church?
	We do.
	All right, brother.
	Brother Michael Diamond is my guest, and judging from the state of the phone lines, which are blazing, a lot of you have questions, and I truly do understand actually both positions.
	The very conservative fundamentalist position that Brother Diamond is taking, and I understand the, for lack of a better word, anger that that caller and other callers no doubt are feeling.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Here I am indeed.
	My guest is Brother Michael Diamond, and he certainly is rousing lots and lots of comment, both pro and con, no doubt about that.
	And what I'm going to do is pretty much leave it to the audience, that means all of you, many devout Catholics out there, some of them Frustrated, very concerned about what they're hearing, as well I certainly would be if I was a devout Catholic and I was hearing that everything that I believed was, in essence, counterfeit.
	And unless I'm hearing all this wrong, that's exactly what Brother Diamond is saying.
	We'll be right back.
	Brother Diamond, you're contending that the current Mass, the one most Catholics attend, is not a valid Mass.
	And you're also contending, I guess, that there's prophecy that suggests that would occur, yes?
	Yes.
	Definitely.
	And you can actually see all this demonstrated, as I said, on the website mostholyfamilymonastery.com.
	And for $10, they can actually get this new book, The Truth About What Really Happened to the Catholic Church After Vatican II.
	And another book that's 336 pages, and 3 DVDs which contain 10 different programs for only $10, and if they just can mail it, they can mail it to 4425 Schneider Road, Fillmore, New York, 14735, or they could order online at the website.
	So, it really provides all the evidence of what has happened.
	I don't know if Malachi Mar never told you that he actually assisted in an exorcism on Paul VI?
	No, he didn't tell me.
	He actually said he was the one that was before John Paul I, and he died before John Paul I, and he actually said that Paul VI was so infested with demonic possession he couldn't be seen in public.
	And he claimed that he got it under control, but these are the kinds of characters you're dealing with.
	You're dealing with people who claim to be very nice, but actually they're destroying and taking away The Catholic faith from people.
	And so that's where a person's anger should be directed towards these persons that have actually attempted to annihilate the whole history of Catholicism.
	All its teachings, change all the sacraments, most of their money is going off to pay, you know, scandals for these pedophile priests.
	And, you know, look at the fruits!
	Look at what these guys that are going to think of a vocation of the priesthood.
	We had some on our radio program last night that said in 40 years he never heard a priest talk about, say anything about mortal sin.
	When he went for a vocation of the priesthood, the vocation director recommended that he go out and see a prostitute and read Playboy magazine.
	So he took it up with the bishop, and the bishop said, well, I couldn't recommend a prostitute, but I think reading Playboy magazine is a good idea.
	This is the kind of activity you see here.
	And so, we've never seen anything like this, something so scandalous and such on a wide scale ever before Vatican II.
	This is only a phenomenon that has been seen since the Second Vatican Council.
	So, I mean, look at the fruits.
	Our Lord says, by their fruits you shall know them.
	Okay.
	If you were in a position to do something, if you were the Pope, if you were in a position to do something about the scandals racking the church today, what is it you would do?
	Well, you would have to get these people to sign a document as to what they believe.
	Do they believe in the Catholic faith and all the dogmas of the Catholic faith?
	The Church teaches that you have to believe in certain teachings to be a Catholic.
	And so, if you don't believe in all these dogmas and teachings of the Catholic faith, you are not a Catholic.
	That's what the Church teaches.
	That's what the Popes have taught.
	They said, in certain situations, if you don't believe this, you know, he who denies this, let him be anathema.
	All right, Richard in Indiana, you're on with Brother Darmond.
	Hi, Don, I just have a question for you.
	You know, Isaac Newton believed in his time that Catholicism was dogmated then as well.
	But due to, you know, hypocrisy laws in his time, he wasn't able to speak about his beliefs.
	But the law also made him an ordained priest.
	That was part of, you know, one of the things in order for him to hold his scholarly position in the scientific community.
	He had to be an ordained priest.
	But one of my questions to you is, do you feel the same way as it was then, prior to now, in the second one as you did in the first, as he did in the first?
	So what exactly is your question?
	My question was, Isaac Newton, he believed the same way as you do now, with the second coming of the Catholic Church.
	He believed it then in the first coming.
	You know, that it was totally dogmated by their beliefs, mainly due to the reasons of the Jesus being part of God, and the Holy Spirit, and was all seeing other gods before the One.
	And so he asked the priesthood to actually, you know, excommunicate him due to that reason.
	But my question is, do you believe the same way that Isaac Newton believed then?
	Even though you're talking about Catholicism II, he believed the same thing in Catholicism I. If anyone holds to what these popes have defined as being the teachings of the Catholic Church, I would be in agreement with all those persons that hold the same position.
	That, as a Catholic, you have to hold what has been infallibly taught by all these true, valid popes throughout history.
	And that's why, with these anti-popes that we're dealing with, the last five of them, You can line up their teachings with what the Popes have taught throughout history.
	I mean, are you going to follow what the Church and the Popes have taught throughout history, or are you going to follow what these so-called Popes have taught over the last 50 or 60 years?
	You can't follow both!
	St.
	Paul points out that in 2 Thessalonians 2, verses 15 and 16, he says, "...maintain the traditions which you have learned, either by word or by epistle."
	So, you can't maintain the traditional teachings of Catholicism If you know what they are, and a person should find out what they are, and at the same time embrace all these new teachings that have flowed out of the Second Vatican Council.
	There are in many cases word-for-word opposite teachings on different issues of faith and morals.
	You can't follow both.
	Elizabeth in Nebraska.
	You're on with Brother Diamond.
	Good evening, gentlemen.
	Good evening.
	I had a question.
	After listening to this horrid, vituperative verbiage coming out of Brother Diamond's mouth, I think my question has been answered.
	I cannot believe that a loving God of any faith would be so petty.
	I'm absolutely appalled at this.
	Well, you're playing God.
	I'm not playing God!
	I don't want God's job!
	And obviously, you want it!
	Have a good evening.
	Jesus actually states in the Bible, if someone claims to believe in Jesus, in Matthew 7, 13, he says, "...broad is the way that leadeth to hell, and many there are that go that way, and straight and narrow is the gate that leadeth to heaven, and how few there are who find it."
	Those are the words of Jesus Christ, Matthew 7, 13.
	They're not my words.
	They're His words.
	So, the sad thing is that you do have an all-loving, all-merciful God, And he's also all just, and he wants people to follow and do the things that he's commanded to be done.
	But how straight?
	How narrow?
	How literal?
	I read some things earlier in that letter that you seem to sort of back away from gently.
	When you say, how narrow?
	Yes, how narrow?
	How strict?
	How literal?
	He says, few find heaven.
	Those are the words in the Bible.
	And it's because most people don't care enough about God.
	That's the bottom line.
	A person has to find out what Jesus Christ wants them to do.
	And there are certain things that are very clear, and that's why you establish a church, and there are certain teachings that have to be held, and so forth.
	It's all about what people really care about, and sadly, through the bad will of most men, they don't seem to care enough about pleasing God.
	Okay.
	Sharon, in Manitoba, Canada, you're on with Brother Diamond.
	Thank you, Art.
	Yeah, as I'm listening, and I do think it's good to have this conversation, even though many, many people will disagree.
	And including myself, it's kind of hitting me, I'll just say it in a general way, as exclusive to me.
	The way I look at it is, I think that the beauty of man is the fact that we do have free will to choose love or to choose evil or hate.
	And I think, Brother Diamond, what I'm struggling with is Whether it's the Catholic faith or tradition or whether it's Judaism or Buddhism, when I'm struggling to look at a faith to follow, I know I have that free will.
	And it's my choice as to whether I choose to believe in these particular kinds of teachings or another teaching.
	I think what I'm looking for basically is, is this faith, whatever faith I choose, is it expressing love?
	Is it expressing compassion?
	I think that's what I'm looking for, as opposed to perhaps following a more rigid, detailed dogma.
	I think that's what will be my guiding light, so to speak.
	Well, it's something that you have to follow the one true God.
	Yes, but I think, I don't know, you know, what you're saying to me is that I have to, in a sense, believe what you're saying to me.
	Do you know what I mean?
	A lot of people get into what you're saying.
	We're pointing to what the Catholic Church has taught is necessary for salvation.
	And that's the bottom line.
	So it's not about what this person says or that person.
	It's about pointing them to what the Church has defined as being the teachings of the Catholic faith, which is the true religion.
	And anything else is insufficient?
	A general love, a general faith is insufficient, correct, brother?
	If it's not the true faith, it's not real faith.
	I mean, you have Jesus saying that in Mark 16, 16, he who believes and is baptized shall be saved, he who does not shall be condemned.
	So, I didn't make up the rules.
	Okay, but I mean really some of the rules just for example is it is it really all right to have slaves brother?
	Well the Catholic Church has condemned slavery so no it isn't.
	It isn't.
	Though it'd be written in the Old Testament that under certain conditions it'd be all right to sell your daughter for example.
	Or in the New Covenant.
	Kevin, in Tulsa, Oklahoma, you're on the air with Brother Diamond.
	Yeah, I've got a bit of a two-parter.
	The first one is about the language of the Mass.
	You know, Jesus faced his disciples at a table and spoke to them, instituting the sacraments in probably Aramaic.
	So, why Latin?
	Wouldn't it be more accurate to use Aramaic?
	And my second question is about Marian apparitions.
	I don't want to get too much into your second question.
	I really do want to hear the answer to the first.
	Yes, Aaron, why not?
	Okay, well, the Church actually has, we're not saying that the Mass is a liturgy.
	For example, there are Eastern Rite liturgies that are conducted in the English language.
	The first critical thing is that they have the right translation.
	And so that's the problem.
	That's the main problem.
	The main problem with these Novus Ordo English masses is that they translated, mistranslated the word, many, to all.
	And so, if it were said in English, if they kept many, originally, the sacrament actually would be valid.
	But they changed the word.
	So it's more about the words being the translation, not necessarily the language.
	Although the language is important, In the case of the Latin Tridentine Mass, for example, the reason why Pope St.
	Pius V said this Missal is never to be changed is so that people didn't start to take away things and say, let's change this, let's change that, let's add this, let's add that.
	And of course, that's what happened when they brought it into the vernacular languages after Vatican II, that you had change after change after change, and there was no end to it.
	Okay, I kind of get that, because Latin's a dead language, and so its meanings are fixed.
	So, whereas modern languages can keep changing over time.
	And also, they removed 70% of the traditional prayers were ripped out of the Mass.
	So it's not just that they brought it into English, they changed almost everything.
	And it was done, the Novus Ordo Mass, which was promulgated by Paul VI on April 3, 1969, It was promulgated and devised, this new mass, with the help of six Protestant ministers, and that's why it's so Protestant.
	And they ripped out all the prayers and altar railings, no longer the tabernacles off to the side.
	Altar girls are now used, which were condemned specifically by three different popes.
	You have people all over the altar going into the tabernacle, communing the hand.
	And it's just all kinds of things, that it's circus masses, clown masses, kitty masses, animal masses.
	This is no exaggeration.
	This isn't the real mass.
	It's a different mass.
	Got it.
	I think the caller had a second question.
	Yeah, the issue of Mary has always kind of bothered me because, you know, the apparitions of Mary and her giving certain revelations to people.
	That doesn't... it doesn't seem to fit with how God is revealed throughout Scripture, where it's either through Scripture or through a prophet, whereas Mary... I mean, I kind of look at her as... she's as alive as my dead grandparents are.
	You know, Jesus Christ is the only person who is alive and can intercede on her behalf and to Well, that's not what the Bible says.
	The Bible says, the prayer of a just man availeth much.
	So how much more the mother of Jesus, the mother of God?
	You know, her intercession with her son is far greater than anyone, and obviously much greater than a just man.
	So if the just man's prayer availeth much before God, how much more the prayer of Our Lady?
	Alright, Lewis in Las Vegas, you're on the air with Brother Diamond.
	Hello?
	Hello!
	Oh yes, hi Art, how are you doing?
	Hello Brother Diamond.
	Hi.
	My background is I was raised Catholic from the time that I had, from kindergarten on up to fifth grade.
	Experienced a lot of problems, hypocrisy and everything.
	This started me a journey to start reading and researching Catholicism, Christianity, and then on to other religions, and then on to philosophy.
	What I've learned in my thing is that when somebody is an absolutist, and if you ask me, Brother Diamond, you obviously are a scholar, you have spent a lot of time, and you have done a lot of reading and a lot of research, no doubt about it.
	You are buried in the book, no doubt.
	I would ask you, do you think that the Bible has been revised over the last 1,500 years?
	Have things been left out or played back or edited or changed?
	No, not with Catholic Bibles.
	I mean, the Catholic Church is the one.
	Obviously, God gave us the books of the Bible, but the Catholic Church actually decided what books were to be in the Bible, and actually, even non-Catholics except The authority of the Church's judgment back in, say, the late 300s at these councils, where they said, these books are actually the inspired books of the Bible.
	And so, actually, both Catholics and non-Catholics accept the canon that was given of what books were in the Bible by the Catholic Church.
	Now, later, the Protestants dropped about six books.
	There were 73 books in the Catholic Bible, or 66 in the Protestant Bible.
	Actually, seven were dropped.
	That's why the church was very careful as they were actually, with the Bible, correctly taking down these passages and transferring this information carefully.
	That's why the church didn't allow anyone, for example, to take a Bible, because there are only so many that could be used.
	They're very expensive.
	There are only a few.
	It wasn't a case where you had a printing press that you could print out copies for everybody.
	But the church was very careful to carefully take down these different books of the Bible, what was in them, and carefully make sure that there are no errors that crept in.
	And so at these various councils, nothing in the Bible got changed?
	No.
	Many people are apparently suffering under the impression that that is so.
	That at one time, for example, reincarnation was actually part of the Bible.
	That's not true?
	No.
	No, okay.
	Brother Michael Diamond is my guest.
	And again, judging from the lines, you have many, many questions, and that's what we're here for.
	From the high desert, which is roaring with wind this night, I'm Art Bell.
	Good morning, everybody.
	My guest is Brother Michael Diamond.
	And in case you missed it in the beginning of the program, Brother Michael Diamond is a well-known person in the traditional Catholic world.
	He's been a traditional Catholic Benedictine monk for 14 years, one of the world's foremost experts on the changes that have occurred in the Catholic world since Vatican II.
	He is a producer of more than 10 DVD video documentaries on what he calls the post-Vatican II counterfeit Catholic Church prophecy and other subjects.
	He and his monastery specialize in the study of how this post-Vatican II counterfeit Catholic Church contradicts Catholic doctrine and fulfills prophecy.
	He's also the author of a recent book entitled Padre Pio, I guess it is, a Catholic priest
	who worked miracles and bore the wounds of Jesus Christ on his body.
	The tapes, magazines, and books produced by his monastery have been distributed by the
	hundreds of thousands.
	Tiger, somebody calling himself Tiger in Lincoln City, Oregon, asks the following part.
	Could you please ask your guest where in the Bible it is stated that Catholicism is the
	only true religion, isn't being Christian enough?
	We will ask that in a moment.
	Actually, simple, but a very interesting question, Brother Diamond.
	Where in the Bible does it say, if it says, that Catholicism is the only true way to God, the only true religion?
	Well, Catholicism is Christianity.
	It's the one universal Christian religion, so they're one and the same.
	And the Protestant religions are break-offs.
	So there is only one Christian faith, and that is the Catholic faith, which The word Catholic in Greek means universal.
	It's the one universal Christian faith.
	So the others are not Christian by definition, your definition anyway?
	Protestants?
	Yeah.
	Someone who rejects the teachings of the one true Catholic Church are, unfortunately, yes, not Christians.
	Got it.
	Alright, Brent in Minnesota, you're on the air with Brother Diamond.
	Art and Mike, it's a pleasure to be on the air with both of you.
	And Art, you keep serving up one great show after the other.
	Glad you're enjoying it.
	I have a comment and a question for Brother Diamond.
	And the comment first, Art, is you were talking about Dr. Laura's Or you were talking about the Levitical law regarding homosexuality.
	And others, yes.
	Yeah, and some of the other laws, the burning of incense and the burning of lambs and so forth.
	Yes.
	I'd like to clarify that a little bit, if I might.
	You might.
	And Brother Diamond, you've talked about two covenants, is that correct?
	That's correct.
	Here's the difference.
	In Leviticus, those laws were written by Moses and spoken by Moses.
	And they are of the Mosaic laws.
	And Moses wrote over 600 laws in the Old Testament.
	It says in the New Testament, however, in Colossians, that that law was nailed to the cross by Jesus Christ.
	And so those laws that you're reading there actually have been abolished by Christ.
	Ephesians 2.15.
	Would that include the abomination of homosexuality?
	When you deal with homosexuality, the part of the Bible that speaks to that is in the New Testament, which would be Romans 1.
	And also, I believe it's in Corinthians or Colossians, I'm not sure.
	Maybe Brother Diamond, you know.
	But the only law that carries over from the Old Testament are the Ten Commandments, which were written with the finger of God, and that is called the Royal Law in the book of James 2.8 in the New Testament.
	So there's maybe a little clarification on that.
	Well, I would say that there are certain things, obviously, that are abolished, and there are some things that are unchangeable, like the Ten Commandments you were mentioning.
	Our Lord talks about how Moses allowed, you know, people to have many wives because of the hardness of their hearts.
	Exactly.
	But that's not the way God made it.
	The Lord Jesus spoke, you know, about, you know, His law, to love thy neighbor as thyself, and to love the Lord God with all thy heart and with all thy mind.
	So it was, in a way, kind of a continuation.
	But I have just a quick question for you, Brother Diamond.
	What do you believe about the little horn in Daniel chapter 7 being the Catholic Church and Catholicism representing that kingdom which came out of the divided Roman Empire and overthrowing the ten tribes of Europe, the ten barbaric tribes?
	Which involved the Huns and the Vandals and those Ten Horns and Daniel.
	I think that this church has been bad from the beginning.
	And if you look at how they murdered the early Reformers, Jerome and Hus, and also John Wycliffe, and even in changing the Sabbath, they had no right and no place to do that.
	They put themselves in In the place of God.
	And I think you're right on with what's going to happen.
	I really do.
	Some of the things that you mentioned, obviously, like the dietary laws and circumcision, St.
	Paul points out that circumcision is not a critical issue any longer.
	So if you're going to follow the Saturdays being the Sabbath, then Obviously, you would have to logically follow also those things that were still followed in the Old Testament, such as observing circumcision and the dietary laws and other things.
	But Jesus says in Matthew 18, 17, if a person doesn't hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican.
	So, if you want to follow Jesus, he says to hear the church.
	And he who doesn't, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican.
	Alright, James in California somewhere, you're on the air with Brother Diamond.
	Hi R, how are you doing today?
	My question was regarding Christ Himself.
	He's against the hierarchy.
	He said you shouldn't set priests or bishops before you, because He's aware of the ease of the corruption of man.
	And so I think the Quakers themselves have the closest thing to the right idea, because they gather together, discuss the Bible, discuss what it teaches, But they learn, and then go on, and they don't put no man before them, but they only put Christ Jesus before themselves.
	And Mr. Diamond himself said that he's pointing at the teachings of the Church, which is the true religion.
	What about Jesus being the true religion?
	Well, in Matthew 16, Jesus gives the keys of the kingdom to Peter, and he says, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven.
	Whatever you loosen on earth shall be loosened to heaven.
	And he gives to him the keys to the kingdom of heaven in Luke 10, 16.
	Jesus says to the apostles, he that heareth you, heareth me, and him that despiseth you, despiseth me.
	He also said that he appointed all followers to spread the gospel, and that they were all ordained by Jesus Christ to be his ministers.
	Not just one man, not just a priest, not just a bishop.
	It's a historical fact that there was A church started, the Catholic Church, that Peter was appointed as the first head of the church, that he had successors, that there was a hierarchy, and that that continued.
	That's a historical fact, and no one can test that.
	Okay.
	To Warren in Boston, Massachusetts.
	Hi, Art.
	I'm glad I got through on the line.
	Mr. Diamond, I've been sitting here listening for the last hour.
	And you do sound like a very intelligent man.
	You sound very versed in the Scriptures, as you've been quoting quite often.
	What do you think about the Scripture that states that no man comes to the Father but through the Son?
	And at the last call of the year, he was saying that you were putting your faith in a church, the Catholic Church, and its doctrine.
	And there have been many, many aspects of the Catholic doctrine that have taken away from Scriptures, they've taken away and they've added.
	They've been able to mislead a lot of their followers over the centuries, I think basically due to the fact that their followers weren't versed in reading the Bible and the Scriptures for themselves.
	They put their faith and trust in men, in priests, in the Pope.
	As an example, praying to saints, there's no one in the Bible that says you're supposed to pray to saints.
	There's no one in the Bible that says for us to The Bible says that the prayer of adjustment availeth much.
	The word prayer means to beg, to ask for help.
	Okay.
	and John joined the seed. Can I finish please? They have no power to intercede on our behalf
	for our salvation. Jesus Christ is the only person that has that power. And, well, you know,
	the Bible says that the prayer of adjustment availeth much.
	The word prayer means to beg, to ask for help. Okay. And so we're just simply asking
	other people who are in heaven to ask God to help us.
	You're asking people to heaven?
	And so forth.
	But confession is also in the Bible.
	In John 20, 23, Jesus says the apostles, he breathed upon them and he says, Receive ye the Holy Ghost, whose ever sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven.
	Whose ever sins you shall not forgive, they are not forgiven.
	So he, Jesus Christ, gave the power to certain people to hear confessions if they're validly ordained priests.
	And he set up a church.
	Well, let me answer that.
	I'd like to have some say toward that.
	The power of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit can reside in any individual who accepts Jesus Christ as the Lord and Savior.
	And some of the gifts of the Holy Spirit are the laying of hands and healing, prophesying, the spirit of discernment.
	You know, anyone can have the power of the Holy Spirit within them.
	And Jesus said, as I did, you may do likewise.
	Okay?
	So that can be within any man that accepts Christ as Lord and Savior.
	Jesus says that if a person doesn't hear the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen and the publican.
	Timothy says that the Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth.
	So, it's something where... You're saying that the Catholic Church is the pillar and foundation.
	Right.
	But you're putting that in a doctrine.
	You see?
	It's something where Jesus Christ set up certain people in his church, and there are certain valid popes, and in certain rare situations, for example, there are extraordinary definitions of some issues on faith or morals, so that people know what they have to believe.
	Otherwise, everyone's just speculating as to what they believe.
	And you didn't have the Bible, essentially.
	Most people didn't have it for the first 1,500 years.
	So what did the people follow?
	That's why Jesus Christ set up a church.
	Yes, Jesus Christ set up His church, not the Pope's church, not the priest's church.
	That church is the Catholic Church.
	Well, that's your belief.
	And what I'm saying is, many people have been misled because they put their faith in a man.
	There's no man on the face of the earth that has the power to intercede for the salvation of mankind, for our souls.
	There's no man.
	Only one man was able to do that, and that's Jesus Christ.
	And if you do believe in the Bible, which, I mean, you're stating all these scriptures, you're quoting scriptures, You know, do you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and was resurrected on the third day and sits on the right hand side of God?
	Yes.
	Do you believe in Judgment Day and that He will be there when we go before our Maker?
	Right, but it's something where... You know what then?
	If you go before Him and it states in the Bible that if you have not had a relationship with Jesus Christ... Okay, do you believe that baptism is necessary?
	Get away from me, I know you're not!
	But do you believe that baptism is necessary?
	Yes, I do.
	Oh, definitely.
	Absolutely necessary.
	I do believe that we should be baptized as Christ was baptized, and I do believe that we are to accept Him as our Lord and Savior.
	But you see, what I'm saying is, in Matthew 16, He gives the authority to Peter.
	He says, whatever you bind on earth, it shall be bound in heaven.
	Whatever you loose on earth, it shall be loosed to heaven.
	And the early Church Fathers point out what teachings you have to hold to be a Christian.
	Namely, The dogma of the papacy, the Eucharist, the Mass, the necessity of baptism.
	And these things are rejected, unfortunately, by all non-Catholic churches.
	Well, tell me, why do you think that they're rejecting these doctrines of the Catholic Church?
	I mean, you know, you look around what's going on today, you're having a mass exodus of followers who are leaving the Catholic faith because they have finally picked up their Bibles and read them on their own.
	They did not sit back and let a man lead them.
	They mislead them.
	They step back now, and they're reading the Bibles now, and they're seeing all the documents.
	What did they believe when they didn't have the Bible?
	Huh?
	What did they follow when they didn't have the Bible for the first 1,500 years?
	What did they follow?
	Yes.
	They followed the disciples.
	The disciples, when Jesus Christ... No, they followed the Church.
	They followed the teachings of the Catholic Church.
	Okay, before the Catholic Church came about... It's the only Christian Church that existed, and does exist currently.
	Well, that's according to you.
	Even according to your idea, for the first 1,500 years, the Catholic Church was the only Christian Church.
	So that's what the people followed.
	Okay, what do you say about the Jews?
	What do you say about the Jews?
	Because the Jews were the chosen people.
	In the Old Testament.
	Right?
	And so they didn't stop existing when the New Testament came about?
	Jesus was a Jew!
	But they're no longer the chosen people, because they don't accept Jesus Christ.
	Well, you know what?
	If you read the Old Testament, the Jews, every time they went to battle, they had the Ark of the Covenant in front of them.
	When they... And by the way, there are incredible parallels.
	The Ark of the Covenant to Our Lady, to the Blessed Virgin Mary.
	The things that are said about the Ark of the Covenant are said about Our Lady.
	Alright, we're going to hold it there and move on.
	Time-wise, Jean in Ohio, you're on with Brother Diamond.
	Good morning.
	This is Jean from Cleveland.
	Brother, I have a question for you.
	Art has asked you several times about the Antichrist.
	And you've kind of avoided answering it with a yes or no answer.
	So I, again, I'm going to ask you, is the Antichrist alive and on earth?
	And if so, is it somebody that you know?
	Yes, and that's what we prove.
	If you see our tapes, which all of them are for free online at MostHolyFamilyMonastery.com, they can watch the information that John Paul II, for example, preached the Gospel of the Antichrist.
	Antichrist is seen in Benedict XVI in him saying that Jesus does not have to be seen as the Messiah.
	That is Antichrist.
	Every spirit that denies that Jesus is the Christ, this is Antichrist.
	So, this is Antichrist that we're seeing.
	He is alive and on Earth.
	And that's what we're seeing, so I just really encourage people to get the information.
	I mean, we're talking about three DVDs that contain ten programs, this book, the new book on what happened to the Catholic Church, another book for $10 that they just sent it to us at 4425 Schneider Road, Fillmore, New York, 14735.
	And if anyone wants to call us at any time, they could call us at 1-800-275-1126.
	So, you can just simply look at the information.
	All right, brother.
	They're saying that we shouldn't convert other people, that we should not even try to convert other people of the Catholic faith, that we should not proselytize.
	Proselytize.
	We should not try to convert non-Catholics to the Catholic faith.
	All right.
	Ollie in Houston, Texas.
	You're on with Brother Diamond.
	Yeah, hello?
	Hi.
	Hi.
	You know, I want to ask Mr. Diamond, How much he knows about Islam and what the Quran says.
	You know, he's casting us down like we're some kind of haters or non-believers, like we don't respect Jesus Christ and don't believe.
	You know what?
	In our Quran, it talks about Jesus Christ, it talks about Daniel, it talks about Moses.
	How dare you?
	Who gives you the authority to cut Islam down?
	And about Pope Benedict, he didn't do it like you make it up and make a big issue out of it.
	He did it because of respect, creating the harmony.
	Harmony.
	I don't know why some Christian scholars have become radical just like them terrorists and Creating, I mean, big, big thing, and hate.
	I mean, you know, this is America.
	I love America.
	I've lived here for a long time, and I have many Christian friends, okay?
	And I get along with everybody.
	Ollie, Ollie, hold on for a moment.
	I'm going to hold you through the break.
	My guest is Brother Michael Diamond.
	We'll get back to him right after the break, and our caller.
	I'm Art Bell.
	Good morning, all.
	I think if you're listening to all of this objectively, it's making quite a strong point, one way or the other.
	My guest is Brother Michael Diamond, and on the phone I think we have somebody of the Islamic faith, and we'll get right back to him.
	Brother Michael Diamond and Ali, you're back on the air.
	Yes.
	Go ahead.
	Yes, sir.
	Now, I want to ask him, my question is, Did he ever look in our Holy Qur'an book?
	How much he knows about the Holy Qur'an?
	I would say that I don't know a whole lot about the Qur'an.
	And that's the catch-22 right there.
	You see, I study your Bible... No, no, actually it isn't, because your Qur'an, you would admit, says that Jesus Christ is a prophet.
	The problem for you is that Jesus Christ He is God, and made the claim of being God.
	So therefore, he's not just a prophet.
	He is the prophet par excellence, but he is also God Almighty.
	That's what he claimed, and that's what he is.
	Let me point to one thing.
	Let me point one thing.
	Go ahead.
	Our Holy Quran says, that's true, that he's a great prophet, but at the same time says,
	we believe in him, and it says that he is the Messiah.
	It's a great way to get involved.
	Is that ring the bell?
	He is the Messiah.
	Okay.
	Well, if you say that he said that he was God and he established a church, why don't you follow the church he established?
	Any Muslim who reject Jesus Christ as a Messiah, he's not a true Muslim.
	Sid, do you believe Jesus Christ is God?
	I do not believe He is the God.
	I believe He's Jesus Christ and the Messiah, but again, on the other hand, I believe He is the prophet and He's the man with the bone, flesh, and blood.
	It's a contradiction because He said He was God.
	He didn't just say He was a prophet.
	He said, I'm more than a prophet.
	He said that he was God.
	Therefore, if you don't accept him as God, you cannot be saved according to Jesus Christ.
	Then you would have to be considered a false prophet, then.
	No, no, no.
	According to you.
	I mean, what I'm saying is, if he said he was God, you say he's not God, yet we have to follow Jesus.
	That's a misconception.
	That's a misinterpretation from his side.
	No, it's quite clear.
	That's why the high priest said he's committed blasphemy.
	He claimed to be God.
	That's why they're not plotting against Christianity, but the Christians are plotting against themselves.
	That's why the high priest said he's committed blasphemy and claimed to be God.
	Have you seen the movie or read the book, Da Vinci Code?
	We don't do, we don't plot against Christianity, we don't twist things around,
	and rewriting books and searching for Jesus Christ's grave and digging bones and all that.
	I mean, it's ridiculous!
	Leave it alone!
	But the problem is if you accept him as a prophet, you have to accept him as a prophet.
	Okay, only one person can talk at a time.
	If he's a prophet, then what he said was true, obviously, according to you.
	And he said that he was God.
	Therefore, he is God.
	So... That proves that the whole religion of Islam is a contradiction.
	No, you contradict... Whatever you say, you contradict on the other hand.
	You say one thing, but doing another.
	No, it's quite clear that Jesus Christ said he was God.
	You say he was a prophet.
	If you're going to accept him as a prophet... You know what?
	I'll give you another example.
	It's the same thing.
	You have to accept all of his words.
	In Christianity, it's said that he was spoken Hebrew and wrote scriptures in Hebrew and he never spoke Hebrew.
	He spoke Aramaic and everything was written in Aramaic.
	So, what is the truth?
	Who's plotting?
	Who's saying the lies and who's saying the truth?
	What is the real fact?
	I mean, the fact is that they even take it out, that they prove it.
	He did not spoke Hebrew, but Aramaic and written in Aramaic.
	It's an undeniable fact that Jesus Christ said he was God.
	Therefore, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Jenny in Washington, you're on with Brother Diamond.
	Hi, Art.
	Hi.
	Brother Diamond, I have two questions now.
	I only had one when I started.
	My first question, and I'm terribly concerned that this is going to come out sounding challenging, and I want to stress that I don't mean it that way.
	My understanding of what happened at the Protestant Reformation was that Martin Luther and The others that began the Protestant Reformation did not believe in the infallibility of the Pope.
	That was one of their main precepts, their main objections, when they broke away from the Catholic Church.
	Now, if I'm hearing you correctly, Brother Diamond, it sounds like you don't believe in the infallibility of the Pope either.
	No, it's actually, we believe in the infallibility of the Pope.
	And that these guys have, quote, infallibly, these recent claimants to the papacy have, quote, infallibly bound heresies to the people that are following them proves that they cannot be true popes.
	Because when a pope, as Vatican I, 1870 defined, speaks on faith or morals to the whole church, defining a doctrine, then he speaks infallibly.
	Okay, that's what Jesus says in the Bible, where he says, I've prayed for thee, Peter, that thy faith fail not.
	That's actually what the word infallibility means, is faith will not fail in those situations.
	So, if we follow and believe that the Popes have this ability of defining doctrines infallibly, then therefore what they've defined as being infallible Catholic teaching is the opposite of what these guys at Vatican II, Paul VI, for example, said is infallible teaching now, It absolutely contradicts what these popes taught on issues of faith.
	Well, that's exactly my point.
	So these guys are not infallible.
	No, that's right.
	They're not infallible because they're not popes.
	Okay, so you and I agree with Martin Luther.
	No.
	Really?
	No, because it wasn't just that issue.
	It wasn't just that issue, but we agree with him on that issue, yes?
	Well, no, no, no, no, no.
	We believe in papal infallibility.
	Martin Luther did not, among other... It wasn't just papal infallibility.
	There are a number of issues that Martin Luther rejected.
	He was an Augustinian priest.
	He left the priesthood, married a nun, and believed that someone saved by faith alone.
	If you look in James 2, verse 24, St.
	James says, you see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
	These are the things, among others, why he left.
	No, we're not saying that we don't believe in papal infallibility.
	We're proving that the Church teaches that true popes do have the charism of infallibility.
	And therefore, these guys that are claiming to be popes, quote, infallibly defining at Vatican II these new doctrines that contradict what these other popes have taught, proves that they do not have infallibility, and they do not have infallibility because they're not true popes, but anti-popes.
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	Wayne in Montreal, Canada.
	You're on the air with Brother Diamond.
	Good evening, Arts, and good evening, Brother Diamond.
	I want to tell you, first of all, I agree with you very much that Vatican II is a great blight and evil on the Church, and I wish... I come from the province of Quebec up here, where it is very, very hard to find the Tridentine Mass even being said at all.
	It's very, very persecuted up here, and I'm all for the work you're doing In promoting the older ritual.
	But I must say, when it comes to what you refer to as the Catholic Church and the papacy, I, who was a Protestant most of my life, converted to Catholicism for one reason, the belief in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
	And that was why the Pope came as a side issue.
	I now don't lean particularly towards any church, but the last church that I attended the most was the Russian Orthodox Church.
	The Eastern Orthodox Churches, as far as I can see, carry the fullness of the early teachings, and they have never had any problems, and they don't have popes.
	They have bishops.
	Well, here's the problem, though.
	What is the problem?
	Here's the fundamental contradiction, though, with quote orthodoxy, is that they say that they only accept the first seven councils of the Church because they feel that there are enough bishops to be present at these councils, and so therefore they feel that since so many bishops were present, that these seven councils, the first seven, have to be accepted.
	But yet, there are other councils at that very time that had even more bishops, or an equal number of bishops,
	to the councils they accept as being valid, that they don't accept as being valid, and that they say
	that you must reject.
	So basically, if they say, well, there's so many bishops there, we have to accept the council,
	why didn't they accept these other councils that had an equal number of bishops?
	When were those councils? After?
	No, they're at the... during the first times of the first seven councils of the Church.
	They say that we accept the first seven councils of the Church because there's so many bishops
	that were present.
	Well, there are other councils that the, quote, Orthodox do not accept that had an equal number of bishops at these false councils that they don't accept.
	By what authority do they not accept these other councils?
	That's the problem.
	That's what they're saying.
	That one I am not aware of.
	But I am aware... Have you ever, by the way, yourself, attended the Orthodox service of Pascha that is held on the Saturday night of Easter that goes into Sunday morning?
	It goes on for about nine hours.
	No, it's something... You've never attended it?
	No, I don't go to what's... I'm telling you in true charity, because I wish for your salvation and conversion, that it's not the true Church.
	And so that's why we're just trying to tell you in charity that it's not the true Church, that Christ set up a Church.
	He set Peters up, Drew Peters, as the head of this Church, the true Church, and that's it.
	Orthodoxy doesn't accept that.
	All right.
	John in Illinois, you're on with Brother Diamond.
	Hi.
	You know, it seems to me that the true aberration of the word of Jesus came about with the Romanization of this church, which was never an intent of Jesus.
	And after Romanization, it became a European institution that was responsible for every kind of miscreant, sinful behavior.
	That's not true.
	From the killing of tens of millions of people, to the degradation of women, to the expansion of slavery.
	No, the Church condemns slavery.
	You need to learn what the Catholic Church teaches.
	Today.
	Today.
	How long did slavery go on?
	No, the Catholic Church, Pope Pius XI, for example, just most recently, condemns slavery.
	It's a mortal sin.
	Yeah, most recently, yeah.
	No, no, no, he's just the most recent Pope to condemn slavery.
	I see.
	It's a condemned thing.
	And what about these Gospels that you claim to be the Word of God when they were written by men?
	What religion do you claim to be?
	I'm not religious.
	I'm an agnostic.
	But I look at the historical Jesus, sir, and what's going on here is this so-called New Testament Word of God was written In a swirling ethos of myth and memories, anywhere from 50 to 300 years after the fact, there were no written documents, nothing written by Christ or by his followers at the time.
	No, that's just not true.
	It is true!
	He gave one prayer, the Lord's Prayer.
	He did not establish a church.
	No.
	He had brothers and sisters.
	His mother was not a virgin.
	Yes, his mother was a virgin.
	He had sex with Mary Magdalene.
	As predicted in Isaiah, a virgin shall conceive.
	So what?
	I don't care if it was predicted in Isaiah.
	Because you don't care about the truth.
	What about James, the brother of Jesus?
	Because you don't value the truth, and that's why you're where you are right now, sadly.
	And I truly hope and pray that you... Oh, and I thank you so much for dogmatizing with me.
	Well, no, you don't believe in anything.
	Oh, I don't?
	That's... I believe in your mistakes, and I feel sorry for you.
	But you don't... I asked you what religion you believe in.
	You said you don't hold anything... I believe in monotheism.
	If you'd like to know the fact, in a spirituality that I hold personally with a God that I study in a philosophical and spiritual manner.
	Well, Jesus Christ came and he worked miracles, he proved his divinity, and he said it's necessary to do certain things to believe in him to be saved.
	According to Gospels written, edited, re-edited, hand-picked by men.
	No, you're dead wrong.
	Decades and hundreds of years later.
	Completely wrong.
	I'm not!
	Yes, you are.
	Prove it.
	Well, it's proven if you're of good will, but unfortunately, right now, you're not.
	All right.
	John in Washington.
	Let's test your will.
	You're on with Brother Diamond.
	Hi.
	Hi.
	Yes, you know, when Jesus, our Lord, was crucified, The temple, in the temple of the Holy of Holies, there was a great thick sheet that was rent from top to bottom, and that took away the definition that we need to go before anyone except straight to the Father for salvation, for repentance,
	And we're supposed to confess our sins one to another, the Bible says, because all are guilty and all fall short of the kingdom of God and of the glory of God.
	Well, that's not what the Bible states, though.
	The Bible states, He says in Luke 10, 16, He that heareth you, heareth me.
	And him that despiseth you, despiseth me.
	He gives the power to forgive sins in John 20, 23.
	Whosever sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven.
	Whosever sins you shall not forgive, they are not forgiven.
	But the true followers of Christ are the ones that believe in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and these signs shall follow them, and amongst them are His forgiveness.
	But to truly believe in Jesus Christ, you have to accept all of what He said.
	Okay, you just can't say that I believe in Jesus.
	You have to look at what he said is necessary to do to save your soul.
	All right.
	Brother Diamond, we are way out of time.
	So, one more time, if you would like, go ahead and give your plug.
	Sure.
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	Brother Diamond, we're out of time.
	Thank you for being here, and have a good night.
	Thanks, Art.
	There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, and I imagine many of you will take from this different things.
	We don't do it frequently on Coast, but this night we did it, and as I said, many of you will take many different things.

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