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April 29, 2007 - Art Bell
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Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell - UFO Crashes - Ryan S. Wood
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From the high desert and the great American Southwest, I bid you all good evening, good morning, good afternoon, wherever you may be in the world's time zones, each and every one covered like a blanket by this program, Coast to Coast AM, the largest program of its type in the world.
I'm Art Bell, and it's great to be here, an honor and a privilege to be escorting you through the weekend.
The webcam photographed tonight, one that I shot a couple of hours ago, And that was, uh, that's our little sweetheart Dolly, with my little sweetheart, trying to eat her hair.
Um, so, it's Sunday, going into Monday, and not good news in California.
A gasoline tanker crashed and burned, uh, burst into flames, burned the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge on Sunday, and it created so much heat that a whole stretch of the highway virtually melted And collapsed.
Officials predicted a traffic nightmare for Bay Area commuters for weeks or months to come.
Flames were 200 feet in the air.
But get this, a truck's driver walked away from the scene with second-degree burns.
No other injuries reported.
It occurred at 345 in the morning.
Officials said it could have been much deadlier had it occurred at a busier time.
A man driving a dead woman's car shot a police officer, then opened fire in a parking lot in a mall Sunday.
According to authorities, by the end of the day, four people, including that gunman, dead.
The chaos ended when police shot the gunman to death outside a Target store inside Ward Parkway Center in South Kansas City.
And again, just in case you were curious, many of us have said, you know, these kinds of mass shootings are on the increase.
In fact, statistically, since the 1960s, they certainly are.
Iran agreed Sunday to join the U.S.
and other countries at a conference on Iraq this week, raising some hopes the government in Tehran would help stabilize its violent neighbor and stem the flow of guns and bombs over the border.
In an apparent effort to drive home that point, the Prime Minister told an Iranian envoy that the persistent violence in Iraq, some of it carried out by the Shiite militias Iran is accused of arming, could spill over into neighboring countries, including those that are supposed to support the Iraq government.
The backlash has built up even before the first official release of former CIA Director George Tenet's memoir, with criticism about his version of the run-up to the Iraq War.
Interrogation techniques and other events questioned.
Secretary of State Tonelisa Rice on Sunday disputed Tenet's claim that the Bush administration, before the U.S.-led invasion in March of 2003, never had a serious debate about whether Iraq posed an imminent threat Or whether to tighten existing sanctions.
Prime Minister Olmert is going to face criticism in Jerusalem when a government commission releases its first findings Monday on last year's inconclusive war in Lebanon.
Raising pressure on the Israeli leader to step down.
Leaked sections of findings prompted a new round of resignation calls Sunday from both the opposition and members of Omert's governing coalition.
Al Gore condemned Canada's new plan to reduce greenhouse gases.
He says it is, quote, a complete and total fraud.
Because it lacks any specifics, gives industry a way to actually increase emissions.
Under the initiative announced Thursday, Canada actually aims to reduce the current level of greenhouse gas emissions 20% by 2020.
But the government acknowledged it would not meet its obligations under the Kyoto Protocol,
which requires 35 industrialized countries to cut greenhouse gas emissions by just 5%
below 1990 levels by 2012.
I'm still extremely excited about yesterday's announcement, or the one I read yesterday,
I guess I had to say, of the new planet that has been found, the Earth-like planet, a mere
20.5 light years from our very own Earth.
Thank you.
All right, all that said, in a moment we'll be back with some of the rest of the news.
We have now lost tens of billions of bees.
According to an estimate by the Bee Inspectors of America, a national group that tracks beekeeping so far, no one can say what's causing the bees to become disoriented and fail to return to their hives.
We had a video yesterday of some of them just flopping around on a parking lot.
It was pretty hard to watch, actually.
As with any great mystery, a number of theories, of course, have been posed.
Many seem, to researchers, to be more science fiction than science.
People have blamed genetically modified crops, cell phone towers, high voltage transmission lines, and lots more.
Or even a secret plot by Russia.
Osama Bin Laden and such bring down American agriculture.
Or, as some blogs have asserted, the rapture of bees in which God has recalled them to heaven.
Actually, I think that was suggested on this program.
The volume of theories is totally mind-boggling, according to Diana Fox Foster, a scientist at Pennsylvania State University with Jeffrey S. Pettis, another scientist from the United States Department of Agriculture.
Dr. Fox Foster is leading a team of researchers who are trying to find answers to explain colony collapse disorder, the name given for the despairing bee syndrome.
Clearly, there's an urgency to solve this.
Dr. Cox Foster said, we're trying to move as quickly as we can.
Dr. Fox Foster and fellow scientists who were at a two-day meeting to discuss early findings and future plans with government officials have been focusing on the two most likely suspects, a virus, a fungus, or a pesticide.
About 60 researchers from North America sifted the possibilities at a meeting today.
Now, This is interesting.
Genetic testing at Columbia University has apparently revealed the presence of multiple microorganisms in bees from hives or colonies that are in decline, suggesting that something is weakening their immune system.
In fact, the researchers have actually found some fungi in the affected bees that, get this, are also found in humans whose immune systems have been suppressed by AIDS or cancer.
That, says Dr. Cox-Foster, is extremely unusual.
Meanwhile, samples were sent to an Agricultural Department lab in North Carolina this month to screen for 117 chemicals.
Particular suspicion falling on a pesticide that France banned out of concern that it may have been decimating bee colonies.
Concern is also mounting among public officials.
There are so many of our crops that require pollination, said Dennis Cardoza, a California Democrat whose district includes a state's central agricultural valley and who also presided last month at a congressional hearing on the bee issue.
Quote, we need an urgent call to arms to try and ascertain what's really going on with the bees and bring as much science as we can possibly bring to bear on the problem. Thus far, colony collapse
disorder has now been found in 27 states, according to Bee Alert, Inc. That's a company
monitoring the problem. A recent survey of 13 states showed that 26% of beekeepers had lost
at least half their bee colonies between September and March. And of course, you all well
know by now the quote from Einstein that, when the bees go, humans have four years and no more.
Stark warnings over the damaging effects of impending climate change were underlined just this last Friday in the fourth assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Control Change.
Warming of the climate system ...is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global mean sea levels, according to the report Climate Change 2007, the Physical Science Basis.
The paper reiterates the body's earlier conclusion that climate change is a consequence of rising atmospheric concentrations of
human-made greenhouse gases like carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide.
Global atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases have increased markedly as a result of human activities
since 1750 and now far exceed pre-industrial levels.
The global increase in carbon dioxide concentrations are primarily due to fossil fuel use and land use change, while those of methane and nitrous oxide are primarily due to agriculture.
You may have heard a rare, a very rare earthquake shook households in southeast England on Saturday.
It toppled chimneys, caused power cuts, and alarmed residents.
The tremor, which the British Geological Survey, BGS, said hit 4.3 on the Richter scale, not much, but if you're in England, where the ground is rock solid, it's a lot, struck just after 8.15am, but left one woman suffering a minor head and neck injury, which did require her going to the hospital.
A pilot has reported seeing two UFOs near the island of Guernsey in the UK.
The BBC describes them as bright yellow flat disk shapes, at least twice the size of a Boeing 737.
Besides being seen by pilot Ray Boyer, the UFOs were also seen by the plane's passengers and by other nearby planes.
BBC quotes British UFO researcher John Spencer as saying, These types of sightings have been reported by pilots, generally accepted to be reliable and sensible observers since the 1940s, and they have excited attention to this very day.
Such light effects are often popularly thought to represent alien visitors, but many UFO researchers believe they more likely represent natural atmospheric phenomena not yet fully understood by science.
A similar encounter in 1978 over the Bass Straits in Australia, where the pilot was in radio contact with the ground throughout, resulted in the pilot never being heard from again.
So, these phenomena remain important to be studied.
And by the way, guess who has seen a UFO?
Actually, several.
That would be Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones.
Luckman said Mick Jagger has been very involved with the subject of UFOs now for years.
I didn't know that.
In 1968, he went camping in Glastonbury when his then-girlfriend, singer Marianne Faithfull, remember her, and encountered both of them, I guess.
A rare luminous cigar-shaped mothership.
Around the same time, Mick had a UFO detector installed at his British estate.
Isn't that interesting?
Then it kept going off whenever he left home, indicating the presence of strong electromagnetic activity in the immediate area.
The now 63-year-old singer also cited a UFO over the crowd during the Rolling Stones' infamous 1969 Altamont concert in California.
Mick is not the only member of that band to believe in aliens.
The guitarist, Keith Richards, also admitted to, in quotes, seeing a few.
Now, this is kind of interesting, and I thought I would relate it to you and see how you took it.
Dr. Laura Schlesinger, you may know her, very popular radio personality who dispenses advice to people who call in on her radio show.
Recently, she said that, as an observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abomination according to Leviticus 18.22 and cannot be condoned under any circumstance.
The following purports to be an open letter to Dr. Laura penned by an East Coast resident, which was posted on the internet some time ago.
And I think it's a riot.
Dear Dr. Laura, Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law.
I've learned a great deal from your show.
And I try to share the knowledge with as many people as I can.
When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18.22 clearly states it to be an abomination.
End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.
When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord, as in Leviticus 1.9.
The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them.
Should I smite them?
I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21-7.
In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness.
Leviticus 15, 19-24.
Problem is, how do I tell?
I've tried asking, but most women take offense.
Leviticus 25, 44 states, I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided that they are purchased from neighboring nations.
A friend of mine claims this applies to Mexico, but not Canadians.
Can you clarify?
Why can I not own a Canadian?
I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath.
Exodus 35 2 clearly states that he should be put to death.
Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination, Leviticus 11.10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I don't agree.
Can you settle this, please?
Leviticus 21.20 states, I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight.
I have to admit, I wear reading glasses.
Does my vision have to be 20-20, or is there a bit of wiggle room here?
Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Leviticus 19.27.
How should they die?
I know, Leviticus 11.6.8, that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
My uncle has a farm.
He violates 11 Leviticus 19.19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread, specifically cotton-polyester blends.
He also tends to curse and blasphemy a lot.
Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them?
Leviticus 24.10.16.
Couldn't we just burn them to death?
At a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws.
Leviticus 2014.
I know you've studied these things extensively, so I'm confident you can help.
Thanks again for reminding us that God's Word is eternal and unchanging.
A fan named Moishe.
So, there you have it.
The Bible was quite specific, wasn't it?
All right, we're going to take some calls, talk to some of you, unscreened, open line calls.
Rules are, have something interesting to say.
Say it directly and distinctly if possible.
But above all, when I answer and say you're on the air, by all means turn your phone, your phone, your radio off.
West of the Rockies, 1-800-618-8255.
East of the Rockies, 800-825-5033.
First time callers, area code 818-501-4721.
Wildcard line folk, area code 818-501-4109.
to the Rockies 800-825-5033. First-time callers, area code 818-501-4721.
Wildcard line folk, area code 818-501-4109. And if you're outside the
country, no problem, toll free it is at 800-893-0903.
Let's do it.
West of the Rockies, you are on the air.
How are you doing this evening, Art?
Very well, sir.
All right.
I'd like to respond a little bit to the statement that you made about Leviticus to the individual.
It was interesting writing.
Let him know, you know, that a lot of things in the Bible are now manifesting themselves today.
And I'd rather be on the side of good versus jokes.
But the real reason why I'm calling you is that, have you heard of this worldwide movement for justice that is sweeping the planet right now?
I found some information on Google and YouTube, and if you get a chance, go to it, and your listeners go to it, because something is in the works, and it's absolutely fantastic, and I think it's going to... Wait, wait, wait, wait.
With regard... Justice with regard to what?
When I saw this particular piece, it had to do with General Electric and NBC and had to do with the 78 million baby boomers and everybody else on the planet in terms of boycotting both companies.
Why?
In terms of this organization that had presented some projects to NBC and they were basically ripped off.
And this particular worldwide movement of justice... Wait, wait, wait.
It's important that we understand.
Some organization, unnamed, presented some projects, unnamed, to NBC that rejected them.
I don't understand.
Oh, no.
It was more than that.
It seemed that NBC had initiated, from what this particular gentleman was saying on the tape, malpractice, fraud...
Attempted theft and racism and general... Alright, well listen, that's reaching a little bit.
I'm sorry, you know, I'm not going to continue with that because I have no idea what this gentleman is talking about and he's making very specific allegations of a sort that I simply can't confirm right now.
So I'll see what I can do, you know, I'll take a look.
A worldwide push for justice of some kind because of something unnamed.
Anyway, I'll take a look and see what we can find.
Alright, unscreened, open line calls.
Anything you want to talk about is fair game.
And we'll come back and begin to pick more of you from the lineup in a moment.
Coming up next hour, Ryan Wood.
Ryan will talk about things like why saucers crash.
He'll talk about the Majestic documents.
He's an expert on that, whether they're real or fake.
I'm really interested in Wisehausser's crash.
He's a crash retrieval kind of guy.
He will talk about several specific crashes, so that you have to look forward to.
Coming up next, more of all of you.
Alright, as promised, here we go.
Alcardline, you are on the air.
Oh, great!
That's so great!
Alright, I have a short story and then a question for you, Art.
Alright, on Friday evening, I was riding a bicycle, and I have a bike with coaster brakes, and so you need the chain to be on to brake.
So I was riding with a group of about a hundred people, and we were going down a hill, and my brakes went out while I was going down a rather steep hill.
And I started careening, and I had to go into oncoming traffic.
To avoid all the bikes ahead of me.
And I was maybe six inches away from getting decapitated by a side view mirror.
And the rest of the night, it was the strangest sort of spiritual experience I think I've ever had in my life.
It felt like I should be dead.
Like I was kind of, it was just a very strange spiritual experience.
Have you considered the possibility that you were killed?
That what?
That you were killed.
Yes, I did.
Right afterwards, actually.
Oh, that was out of the blue.
I didn't realize I'd get a yes.
But, you know, I wonder if people die in an accident of that kind, whether sometimes they don't realize it for, I don't know, perhaps several days.
That's what it felt like.
It felt like maybe I was on my way to the hospital or I was in a coma or something and it was a dream that I had actually lived.
Because it was so close.
I mean, I was going 25 down that hill.
It was incredible.
I have never saw anything like that in my life.
If you did, this is definitely one of the most interactive EVPs we've had to date, so we'll save it.
Anyway, I'm glad you didn't get decapitated by somebody's rear view mirror.
Yeah, close calls.
Close calls.
I wonder about that.
I really do wonder about that.
There are times, many stories I've had, people that, for example, blow a stop sign at an intersection and virtually go through a vehicle which is blasting through a side street.
I mean, they actually have a collision, but they don't.
They move right through it, kind of like It wasn't really their time yet.
And then they get over on the other side of the intersection, pull over, and just sort of conflate what just happened.
First time caller line, you are on the air.
Hello.
Hi, Art.
Hi.
How are you today?
Very well, indeed.
Where are you, sir?
I'm calling you from Phoenix, Arizona.
Art, I want to say, first of all, on behalf of many Americans, let me thank you for what you're doing, Art.
It's a medium.
Actually, you know, it just reaches out to so many people.
It has for me for years and years and years.
It is a very different kind of program and I hope it survives me.
I hope it survives for a very long time because there's simply nothing like it.
Well, I tell you what, you know, I've been listening to you for years, man.
I'm a truck driver and your program has inspired me and I'll continue to listen on.
I want to tell you a story.
Uh, years ago when I lived in El Paso, Texas, I had a really strange experience, and I'll tell you this one will give you the heebie-jeebies.
I lived in an apartment complex, and one night I was coming home from work, and I heard the strangest sound.
All of a sudden, things just got really, really quiet.
And I heard this tapping, and it really frightened me very, very badly, and I wondered what it was, and this was like in the year of 1985 or something like that.
That was about the time that the Alamogordo Air Base, in that area there, and I remember hearing stories about UFOs and that kind of thing in that area, and it sort of scared me, you know?
A tapping?
What do you mean?
Just tapping?
Well, yeah, it was all of a sudden, it just seemed like it got really, really quiet.
You just really couldn't hear the sound of night at all.
Right.
And you know how night sounds.
There's a certain sound to the night time.
It was like really in the wee hours of the morning, about 2, 2.30, 3 o'clock in the morning.
And it was really, really strange.
All of a sudden, it was just this tapping in the ground.
Oh, in the ground?
Yeah, it sounded like it was tapping in the ground.
And, you know, I kind of got like really frightened about it, you know, and I thought, wow, what is this?
Along with you, ground sounds are really weird.
This area, as well as in New Mexico, we've actually had it here.
I had a friend across town, I've told this story previously, a very good friend across town here, and we've had this humming sound, not a tap, but a hum, kind of like the talus hum going on.
And my friend had built a porch and, uh, in doing so he had sunk a couple of very large, uh, I don't know, two by sixes or whatever they are, way into the ground and it was so bad at night, uh, it disrupted the house and his sleep so badly at night that he actually had to tear the porch down.
So I have no idea what we're doing underground in this area or what might be going on in New Mexico, but there's something Under our feet, moving.
It's doing something.
I can imagine that our government has all kinds of projects that burrow into the ground at various depths and perhaps parallel at some point, and if they're going under you, you're definitely going to feel it.
Now, what they're doing down there and why they're doing it, I have not the slightest.
West of the Rockies, you're on the air.
Hello?
Uh, yes, I was, uh, calling to, uh, tell you a funny story.
Okay, turn your radio off, please.
Okay.
Always number one.
Um, well, basically, um, I had a dream a while back ago about, uh, um, me kind of leaving my body and kind of going down into the earth.
It might not have been a dream.
You might have left your body.
You know about out of body, right?
Yeah, yeah, I sure do.
But, um, the funny thing about it was that, uh, I don't think that's an outrageous theory at all.
was the same ascension beam, to the fact that the core is like a molten, you know,
coral metal, and with the huge pressures of its spinning of the solar system, it
has like its own intelligence, except it's like a very high level intelligence.
I don't think that's an outrageous theory at all. The American natives, as
you know, believe that the earth is a living thing, and it does stand to reason
that something of this mass may have a kind of intelligence that we don't know
Or maybe it's not an intelligence.
Maybe it's what we call Mother Nature.
And as I've said many times, Mother Nature doesn't get mad or angry.
She simply gets even.
So when something gets out of kilter on Earth, the forces of nature tend to take a corrective action.
Now, there's no anger or emotion involved in that, as there would be with a living human being.
There's simply a corrective balance that's sought.
Now, that can have quite devastating results.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Art?
Yes.
I can't believe it.
I tried to believe it.
You are on the air.
You are my hero.
I'm a first-time caller, and I used to listen to you when I threw newspapers about 15 years ago.
And, uh, I'm very nervous.
But, um... Well, calm down, take a deep breath, and just try and get it out.
I shall.
I have, uh, sent you several emails, and I understand you probably get more emails than I could ever imagine.
But, uh, I had an epiphany on March 25th, um, after a long drive home from Arizona.
We went out there for spring break with some friends, and, uh, a big part of the epiphany was Uh, driving through the Indian Nations there and, uh, finally seeing it for the, uh, sad reality that it is.
And, and, uh, it just led me and other things occurred during our spring break, which led me to my epiphany, but it was funny because at the very end of the trip, we were, we were listening to you and, uh, I had thought you'd gone off the air.
I had, I had, I'm not throwing papers anymore.
And I hadn't listened for maybe four or five years, and I know everything that's happened to you, and I'm sure sorry about all that, and I don't intend to go there, but it was ironic because my children were listening to it, and it was the night you were talking about the Dream Camp, and my daughter is 17, going to college next year, and she said, can I go to Dream Camp, Dad?
And it was just really cute, and I started talking to her about the Children of the Light, because I always believed that both of my children are We're very much children of the light.
They always have been.
They're really, really special, special children.
Not only that, but we're surrounded by special people.
We live in the mountains in Colorado.
I don't want to be too specific.
We live in Bailey where the incident occurred in September.
My daughter was actually friends with Emily and even better friends with her brother Casey.
I don't know that I should have even went there.
At any rate, I have a vision to change the world art by teaching the children the ways of the Indians to begin with and taking life backwards into a simpler time where there was no gray area.
Everyone knew their role and their purpose.
I'm just so excited about it.
What I did was I had a powwow on Easter, and I desperately tried to contact you before I did it, but it was very successful.
In spite of bad weather and not enough time to plan on my part, but at any rate, I had 21 children of the light there.
Give me one second here.
I'm sorry, I have to remove my headphones.
Are you with me still?
I'm listening.
Okay, and we did a really neat 45-minute powwow where we just talked about real simple values.
I've been inspired by God, and I really believe I'm a vehicle of God, and He's given me a very simple philosophy to teach children, and real simply, it starts with one O, And then it goes to two, the one O is one, God, and two E's, which is everything and everyone, and then eight S's, somehow, sometime, something, somewhere, some more, summer, and I'm really all over the place right now.
All right, all right, I'll tell you what, hold it right there.
I'm going to agree with you that our children are our future, and that if we don't eventually go back to some of the original values that we've Oh, I don't know.
They've just sort of worn away, haven't they?
They haven't died a quick death.
They've just sort of worn away.
We did a whole show on this not very long ago on what's wrong with our country.
What's wrong with the world right now?
And I remain convinced that This wonderful technological world that we live in now has succeeded in isolating people to the point where they're not interacting with each other any longer.
They're interacting at an arm's length or more.
You can now go onto the internet and write something about somebody without taking any responsibility for what you write at all and put a little handle instead of your name.
Not take any responsibility.
Communicate across large distances, but not face-to-face.
So, I don't know, the world has changed in a lot of somewhat negative ways.
And either we move a little bit in the opposite direction, or I think we face a very uncertain future.
And certainly, the only way it's going to change is going to be with our children.
So he's right about that as well.
Wild Card Line, you're on the air.
Hello Art, this is Joe from LA.
It's a pleasure to speak to you again.
I just want to pile on another bee story to the mounting stories.
Sure.
July of 2006, myself and some friends were walking along Zuma Beach in Malibu.
For those of your listeners that don't know, it's arguably the most famous beach in Malibu.
And... What is all that?
Excuse me?
What is all that?
Uh, I have a radio.
Hold on one second.
Okay.
Turn it down for just the time you're on the air here.
And, uh, I apologize for that, Art.
Um, and, uh, anyway, I'm highly allergic to bees.
I was walking along, uh, Zuma Beach, and I walked the whole distance of this beach, and I see all of these bees just washing out of the water.
All of them on their backs, all of the, uh, ears, uh, legs up in the air flailing.
And I'm being conscious of the bees since I'm allergic and I'll be damned if I wasn't all the way at the end and I stepped dead on one of the bees on my right big toe and for a moment I just started cussing and because I knew what the impending reaction was going to be and nothing happened.
The bee was very much alive when it stung me and absolutely nothing happened to it.
And we heard nothing about it on the news here in LA.
Nothing was reported locally.
Nothing was put in the beach reports, nothing.
I mean thousands, thousands and thousands of bees washing out of the ocean just in the surf.
So anyway, nothing, no questions really.
I just want to put that out there and I'll listen to you on the radio.
Thank you.
Alright, alright.
Thank you very much for the call.
I have no idea what to say about this whole bee matter except I suspect Einstein was correct and they better find an answer pretty soon.
I really don't think that I've ever seen a mystery of this magnitude drag on this long.
We don't really have the answers yet.
Many think they might have this answer or that answer, but we still don't know, do we?
And one would think with all the little bee autopsies that are going on and all of the intense science being trained on this problem that we would have some sort of answer by now, but we don't.
And I guess we better find out pretty quickly or we're in deep doo-doo.
Wildcard Line, you're on the air.
Hi.
Art, what an honor it is to speak with you, sir.
Thank you.
I'm calling to you from the great Show Me State of Missouri.
It was an honor to have George Norrie here for Several weeks, and I wanted to tell you a story.
When I was a child, hearing the story about these UFOs over in Britain, reminded me of something that I thought when I was a child.
My brother, who's a couple years younger than I, and his best friend were all together, and happened to be sitting on his front porch.
All at the same time, we decided to look up in the air, and we see three lights.
And we're like, OK, well, maybe this is an airplane or something of that nature.
But they were flying in the form of a triangle.
As soon as they got over us, they came into a straight line and two of them on the end switched positions.
Then they formed a triangle back and zipped off across the horizon.
Have you ever heard of anything like that, any type of formation switching with UFOs?
Yes.
Yes, of course I have.
And the guest we have coming on in this next hour is going to talk exactly about that sort of thing.
Of course I've heard of it.
We've had, my God, millions of reports of triangles, of things that have been in formation, shifted formation, morphed, done everything you can imagine.
Millions of reports of UFOs, and we still can't nail it down.
Yes.
And then once we finally saw them, All three of us looked at each other kind of like, did you see that?
And just to make sure that nobody was messing with the others.
And to this day, we can all still recall that night.
But it's been a great honor talking to you, sir, and I'll continue on listening.
All right.
Thank you very, very much for the call.
The fact that we found this planet 20 and a half light years away from Earth that has Earth-like temperatures, that much they can definitely confirm.
They can determine by the distance from the Sun and all the rest of it what the temperatures on this Earth-like planet with atmosphere would be.
And it's got billions, with a B, billions of years of potential evolution ahead of us.
Now, you've seen what we've done in the last hundred years, haven't you?
What do you suppose we're going to do in the next billion years, assuming we survive?
So, if there are Earth-like planets, it's probable there's life.
If there's life that's been around longer than we have, it's very probable that life has figured out a way to get here.
It's also very probable, in my opinion, that we're being, at the very least, observed.
And they may not like what they see.
From the High Desert in the Great American Southwest, I'm Art Bell.
It is a beautiful balmy night in the desert.
Nigh on to 6 minutes after 11 o'clock at night.
Currently 79.2 degrees outside, very dry, just absolutely beautiful.
Coming up, Ryan Wood.
He earned a Bachelor of Science degree in Mathematics and Computer Science from California Polytechnic State University.
He has worked for Intel, Digital Equipment, Toshiba, and two Silicon Valley startups.
He has developed and executed advertising and promotion campaigns, direct mail programs, and telemarketing in both consumer businesses and industrial products.
He currently manages the content of a website, which is www.majesticdocuments.com.
And he has completed a documentary entitled The Secret.
Ryan has also published two books and a CD-ROM dealing with the majestic documents and their authenticity.
As a UFO investigator with MUFON, he has chosen to specialize in the strategic problems of ufology, such as unquestionable proof and improved media acceptance.
So coming up in a moment, Ryan Wood.
Ryan Wood, welcome back to Coast to Coast AM.
Well, thank you, Art.
It's great to be back and good to hear your voice again.
Good to have you.
All right.
How in the world, Ryan, did you get involved with ufology in the very first place?
Well, I can blame it on my father or compliment him for it.
He started studying UFOs when he was a research director at McDonnell Douglas and, you know, A 10-year-old, I was exposed a little bit to it, and then when I was 15, Stan Friedman came to dinner, and I got a lot more exposure.
And since that time, we've been working for the past 15 years or so on UFO documents, primarily, and crashes.
And so that's been a fun, you know, relationship with my father about UFOs.
Okay, well we're going to kind of divide this between UFO documents and crashes.
Let's begin with the documents.
You know, the majestic documents have been around a long time and I wonder now, I've always wondered if they were legit or if some are legit and some are not.
How do you sift through that?
Well, the process of authenticating a document is It can be very complex.
It's sort of document-unique.
But you look at the basic things of, well, where did you get it?
Most of that is pretty muddy, where you're getting photocopies.
But some cases, we have original documents where you can do forensic tests just the way the FBI would do, and that's very powerful and useful.
And then you start looking at the content.
What does it say?
And is the order of things correct?
Are there any weird anachronisms or problems?
Do you actually have any original copies of any of the majestic documents?
Well, yeah, there's what's called the Bowen Manuscript, which was a little 350-page document of which the Air Force chapters stamped top-secret magic.
And that's all original onion skin documents that are, you know, as far as we can tell, they're old and authentic.
And what's fascinating about those, besides being an interesting history that was created by Vernon Bowen back in the 55, 56 timeframe, it was sort of a 10-year look at UFOs.
And he sent it to the Air Force about that time for review and the Air Force kept it and said, no, no, don't publish it.
and then anonymously was mailed to Tim Cooper's mailbox in like 2000 or 1999 and returned in essence.
And that's that's all original.
Okay, a lot of the audience will not be familiar with the Majestic documents.
Can you capsulize for us, essentially, what information or the high points of the information in those documents?
Yeah, well, it's... the Majestic documents have come from seven different sources from
1984 onward, comprising some 3,500 pages of documents that all talk about extraterrestrial
entities, technology, recovery, craft analysis from Roswell.
They're...
Some of them are very juicy, so to speak, and wow, and arresting, and some of them are very pedestrian and bureaucratic.
One person's writing a memo to another person about, you know, what do we do with this organization's ET parts, sort of.
So, that's the quick nutshell of it.
The manual, the Special Operations Manual, is one of the ones that we've authenticated the most thoroughly, and it is also one of the most Compelling and gripping, just from the title, Extraterrestrial Entities Technology Recovery and Disposal, and it's a 32-page how-to manual of how to pick up the bodies, how to keep the public in the dark, how to manage a crash retrieval circa April 1954.
Wow.
You believe these to be authentic?
This particular manual, I would go to 99.9%, and my dad would probably say 96.7% or something.
We've studied it every which way to Sunday, from every word, to every nuance, to type, to other documents inside the archives.
And every place we look, we have not found showstoppers or real problems.
We've verified all sorts of subtleties of the hot lead printing press and interviewed people that were in the government printing office that looked at this.
The one guy who wrote the style manual for the special operations manual flipped through the originals and said, wow, I think this is real!
Well, the Z's are raised off the line, which is an artifact of the monotype modern hot lead printing press.
It was in use back in the 50s.
It's just some really obscure subtleties that say, yeah, I think this is... Alright, even if something can be authenticated as having been produced or copied in the 50s doesn't make it authentic.
So what else do you look for?
I mean you look for... Well yeah, I mean, can you unequivocally say that none of this is Faked.
I mean, could the CIA, KGB, etc.
fake this stuff?
And the answer is, yeah, they could.
They'd have to spend a lot of time and money and effort and sophistication.
But then you realize, well, why do this program of fakery for, you know, close to 30 years, 32 or three years, with so many mixed purposes and messages, all to sort of Say to the Soviets or the Red Chinese, don't mess with us, we got E.T.
technology, and our Will Fryer at tail.
It seems, you know, when I interview experts in psychological warfare, graduates of the JFK Special Warfare Center down by Fort Bragg, who spent their whole life in military PSYOPs, and they look at this stuff and say, wow, this is like really rotten stuff for psychological warfare.
There's so many different messages.
Actually, though, you did just lay down a fairly decent motive.
If the Soviets actually thought we had extraterrestrial technology, something really far beyond any... I mean, look what happened when they thought we were deploying Star Wars.
Scared the hell out of them, virtually.
Caused them to throw up their hands.
So... Yeah, I agree.
That is a very good point, Art, and it definitely could be a motive.
The question in my mind is how would they do it?
Would they bother to create a ruckus in the public arena rather than simply slip it to one of their agents to, you know, get an issue?
Well, they might.
They actually might create a public ruckus.
Why not?
In fact, for example, Roswell.
Why not create a Roswell, get it going, and then produce some secret documents, leak them somehow to the Soviet Union, and just scare the you-know-what out of them?
Yeah, you know, it's possible.
It just seems like a lot of extra work and risk that you don't know could all come unraveled, rather than Targeting one or two of our agents or double agents to leak intelligence information into those agencies or into those governments.
Well, I know Stanton believes them to be authentic.
Yeah, and I think most reasonable people that look at it and start to see the breadth and sophistication and complexity Start to say, you know, it's got to be genuine.
Maybe not every single one, but there's so much smoke, there's got to be some fire here.
How much time have you actually spent on all of this in trying to authenticate the documents going over them?
I mean, it's been years, right?
Right.
Well, I think we started off in 96.
I would say that between my father and I, we probably have A lot of time.
You do this in addition to some sort of full-time job.
There's a lot of, and then there's other people that help too, that contribute and look at
different sections.
And there's still a lot more to go.
You do this in addition to some sort of full-time job.
What do you do for a living, Ryan?
Well, I'm in the energy business and actually sell energy conservation equipment for two
I sell to two corporate energy managers and large big box retail.
So it's mostly motors and controls and some exotic lighting and so forth.
But it's all very normal energy business and sales.
OK.
All right.
Can you tell us where any hardware might now be?
Where we're keeping it.
For a long time we thought there was something, and I think there certainly was, being kept at Area 51.
We don't know where it is now.
And for that matter, bodies or biological entities of some sort?
What do you know?
Well, I mean the documents point to the fact that the Area 51 S4 area, the Wright-Patterson Blue Lab, those are the areas where they specify specifically to take parts and so forth.
Beyond that, all I have is what your listening audience has and rumor and speculation, but I think that something that's not talked about much and is very much a hotbed of UFO activity is the White Sands Proving Grounds and the area in the upper corner of White Sands Proving Grounds, upper northwest corner, what's called Area 29.
And this area, which was called Area 29 because one of the leaked photographs that came to us, there was a big black X in this corner of White Sands, and the person who leaked it wrote Area 29.
And when I started looking at Area 29, and going through all the roads, using Google Earth, and trying to look at the various things that are happening, doing some remote viewing targets in that area, I discovered all sorts of fascinating things.
One day I was just elated because I found a convoy of 10 or 15 semi-tractor trailers and a 1998 aerial photograph going into the side of a mountain.
Really?
Yeah!
Right in Area 29.
So, we know that everything really important is underground.
I mean... Yeah, we were just talking about underground a little earlier.
As you know, there have been all kinds of hums heard in New Mexico, and for that matter, in the area in which I live here in Nevada.
We really have felt these things going on underground, so the government, or somebody, since I can't really pin it down to the government for sure, just a strong suspicion, is doing something underground.
They're boring, they're doing something, and you really have a photograph of a convoy going into a mountain.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Actually, during one of the breaks I'll try to email it to you.
Okay.
And see if we can You know, get it posted so people can look at it or something.
But that's one particularly fascinating area.
There's also, there's two interlocking pentagon shapes of roads.
These are of roads.
Deliberate pentagon shapes in this corner of Area 29 on White Sands.
You know why?
I don't know.
Is this something that people can go to Google Earth themselves now and identify?
Sure!
It is?
Yeah, give it a whirl.
Yeah, give it a whirl.
You want to look very much near the Trinity Burst site and 20 miles south-southeast of
Socorro or five miles west of Oscura Peak.
But up in that...
Do you actually have any latitude, longitude figures for people to make it easier?
Yeah, I can probably dig those up here.
Let me try to hunt those down and I'll give them to you.
Yeah, all right.
Very good.
You know, one important question that you said you can answer is why, and I'm very curious about this, why saucers or extraterrestrial craft crash at all?
One would imagine with that kind of technology, something as simple as a lightning bolt or anything that we would throw at them would not cause any harm at all.
Yeah, you know, that's the common thinking is that, you know, how can they travel across the universe and screw up so badly as to crash here?
And why would a little lightning bolt or, you know, a little artillery shell bother them?
The answers are, it seems like they do bother them.
They bothered the artillery shells during the Battle of L.A.
where a couple of UFOs crashed, one in the ocean, one in the San Bernardino Mountains.
From one of the documents, it shows that the artillery shells did bother them, did cause things to crash.
The other object or idea really is that these are simply probes from another planet, galaxy, civilization, and they may not have the weapons defense that you would normally associate with one of our jet fighters.
One of the little UAVs that fly around Iraq all the time is subject to a bullet very easily.
And they may have the same thing.
It's a question of economics.
Why send your most expensive stuff to a little planet like Earth to just gather some data that they want?
So the idea of remote piloted vehicles, the idea of We shoot them down and some standing orders to do that.
The idea of radar or interfering with their navigation or communication system somehow was foreign and weird and I think that's potentially a very real possibility.
You can't eliminate the idea of deliberate seeding of the planet.
I know you've studied a number of alleged crashes.
Are you pretty well personally convinced that these really were crashes of craft from elsewhere?
Well, my book, Magic Eyes Only, and associated website, magiceyesonly.com, reviews 74 UFO crashes from around the world.
Exactly.
97 to present, and I rate each one basically from a 50-50 sort of chance that it could be a real crashed vehicle, like you described, and something... All it takes is one real one, Ryan.
Has there been one real one?
Hold your answer.
We'll be right back.
I don't for one second think that there's nothing going on.
I've seen with my own eyes.
I've had two really incredible sightings, and I'm not alone.
There are millions and millions and millions of you who have seen these things, so there really is something in our skies.
There's something in our skies that is not a conventional aircraft.
There's no question about it.
What I've seen in both cases didn't resemble any sort of conventional anything that we've got, or even have come close to it, or has even been leaked, for example.
Nothing.
So, something really is going on.
If there's been so much as one crash in which we've recovered hardware and or biological entities, that's all it takes.
It doesn't take 74 crashes.
It only takes one real one.
Ryan Wood, back in a moment.
Lori, Ryan's new book, Magic Eyes Only, reviews 74 UFO crashes and subsequent retrievals.
Since that book, there have apparently been 10 more, and we'll try and cover what we can, but what I said, Ryan, was we only need one that's absolutely the real McCoy.
That's right.
And I wonder, of those 74, and I know you said you rated them, were there any that you rated beyond question?
Well, no, nothing's really beyond question.
I mean, the ones that have the highest rating are the ones your audience is most familiar with.
Kecksburg, Roswell, Shag Harbor, Aurora, Texas, those are the I think I may have missed one more, but there's five that are at the 80-100% zone, and I'm by no means the expert in all those cases.
there are many other experts and I just sort of contacted them and compiled their most credible
sort of evidence in the, you know, five to ten pages. Some of the entries are
very suggestive and interesting that come directly from the National Archives.
lives.
In one case down in Bolivia, in 76, we have declassified documents talking about a four meter metallic ovoid shape that crashed.
We even interviewed some of the military guys that were on the scene that packed it up and sent it back to Wright-Patterson.
Really?
Yeah!
I would be interested, for example, in some of those interviews.
Some of what was said in those interviews.
Yeah!
The challenge with that is that these are military security guys and transportation specialists.
They come in, they see it, and say, well, okay, it's smooth, I don't see any windows, portals, anything.
Four or five people can lift it up and put it on a truck.
Their job is to pick up space junk on special task assignment.
Through Project Moondust.
And so they've done this for five years and their comment was, oh yeah, once a year, a couple times a year, we get a call and we go out and it's not space junk.
It's ET stuff.
And they pack it up and ship it back.
Okay, and this stuff is currently, for the most part, going to, right Pat?
At the time of this one in 76, we went to Wright-Patterson.
This was the only case.
I'm working on another whole book on Project Moondust and Operation Blue Fly.
The Moondust efforts to recover debris, I think, is the key opening in the government's armor, where we have Hundreds of declassified pages, no speculation, that talk about suspicious craft and suspicious artifacts that could be ET material.
They may not be, but the way it's handled, it's pretty darn interesting.
But that particular case in 76 in Bolivia is in my book, Magic Eyes Only, which you can get through your website, get it on Amazon.
It's a powerful case.
Okay.
What about one close to home here?
Something near Devil's Hole, Nevada, right?
Yeah, yeah.
This is one of the new ten or so that I'm working on.
The story here, right on the border of California and Nevada, near Devil's Hole, which is where the Death Valley National Monument is, it's just up the road from Pahrump there.
That's right.
What caused my attention on this was Rich Dolan, in his book, UFOs in the National Security State, had a short little mention of an article of a couple of prospectors that were mining, and a UFO whizzed over their head and crashed, and a couple little beings popped out and ran around.
And I felt that was interesting, and so then I looked up the newspaper article that referenced it.
And then I did some more back digging.
I went three or four days before that in other newspapers and found this sort of genesis newspaper article before the disinformation guys got a hold of it, changed the names of the minors, changed the story, changed the location.
And that was one that I've been working on and presented at the last Crash Retrieval Conference, which was last November in Las Vegas.
But the story is, in essence, that a couple of miners were mining, and over their head comes this silver 24-foot diameter disk.
This is in the middle of August, out in the desert, and crashes in front of them.
Two little ETs pop out in Sort of funny looking headdress.
They call them leather flying togs.
This is, you know, a 1948 newspaper article.
And they chase them for a little bit, but it gets so hot they don't chase them very far.
Yeah, it's very hot in August here.
It's very hot in August.
And the guy picks up a couple pieces of metal, takes it back to the Los Angeles Herald, which was the evening paper in LA, shows the reporter the materials.
The reporter shows his editor, I think writes a small article about it, and then tries to go back out to the desert to find the whole craft again, but can't.
And I think it's because the military picked it up and took it away.
And I've used several remote viewers and all the various resources I can muster, and I believe I've firmly identified the spot that this occurred out in the desert.
But the critical thing is that you have to pull up parts.
Out of the ground.
We believe there are parts that have been scattered around, most have been picked up, but... Are you at liberty to tell us exactly where, or is that something you keep to yourself?
That's something I keep to myself.
I mean, it's approximately near Devil's Hole, you know?
If you go in probably a two-mile circle from Devil's Hole, but you're on the Nevada side, It's there.
That pretty well narrows it down, all right.
Yeah, it narrows it down.
But looking for things in the desert was humbling.
I've made three trips to that area and I'm going back with a magnetometer crew as the next final step to hopefully get parts out of the ground.
But without parts, you have just an interesting story.
You know, we've got some newspaper articles.
I think I've confirmed it.
I've got some physical tracing going on.
I've got the mining sites identified.
It's mostly there, but I wouldn't rate it past the 50-50 sort of thing right now.
But if I had some parts that were weird, then I would pop up to 80%.
Yeah, it's not.
Even if you get parts, Ryan, it's not a slam dunk.
I know.
In other words, you take them to a lab somewhere.
As you well know, or probably know, I had parts that were sent to me and they were completely anomalous.
We had them tested in Washington.
But what you end up with at the end of the day is anomalous parts that are not from Earth.
That does not Unfortunately, identify them any further than that.
Yeah.
That's where it stops.
You need more.
You need a part of a craft.
You need some sort of biological entity.
I don't know what you need to finally nail this down.
Well, I think you need something that shows that you need hieroglyphics or writing.
You need an economic advantage, ultimately.
I mean, with the parts that you have, the layered bismuth magnesium stuff.
Very good.
That if somebody could make that and there was a real economic advantage for semiconductors or something like that and a patent and profit being generated, then there's a real economic engine to fund the research and to fund further investigations.
Some of the best labs in the country tried and they can't make it.
I know.
And what better validation than it is truly special?
Well, that's the trouble.
You do need better validation.
We studied it.
There's nothing like it on Earth.
In fact, parts of it are not from Earth, clearly.
And it can't be duplicated.
But still, that's where it ends, Ryan.
Yeah, I know.
It's got to be compelling And to make it compelling, it's got to be part of a craft, it's got to have hieroglyphics on it, it's got to be visually exciting for the media, too, because having a bunch of PhD metallurgists debate something is about as exciting as watching paint dry.
That's right.
And so the media wants a lot of titillating sensationalism on Not your show, by any means, but the mainstream people do.
And it's got to be visual.
That's the other thing.
And what about biological entities?
Now, you mentioned a couple scurried away from this crash, and we've had, obviously, reports of other biological entities that are living or dead.
How much do we know?
Does our government still have bodies, alive or dead?
I don't have any data other than my research, and my research says that they have bodies, certainly dead.
They would never destroy them or give them away or do anything like that.
They would keep them.
So, my opinion is that I'm extremely confident that they still have biological entities, And even the majestic documents talk about the potential for biological warfare and the power of that weapon, if you were able to use alien viruses or alien tissues to create weapons-grade, you know,
Why, Ryan, in your opinion, if our government really is aware of all this, if they have recovered craft and or bodies, why are they keeping all of this secret?
Well, this is the question that comes up a lot.
The big thing is that it's a giant unknown.
I mean, if you think 9-11 was traumatic for the trajectory of our planet, Uh, five years ago with the war on terror and where we're at now, that telling the alien secret and ultimately exposing the long history of secrecy and the exploitation of the technology and so forth, it's a giant unknown.
You don't know where it's going to go.
It would, the impact is It's complex, it may be very positive, it may be very negative, it may be a mix of both, but it's very unmanageable.
And so for the people that are in the control of the secret, that the thought of just unleashing this giant monkey into the global society is very unpalatable.
Well, it may be just that one lie has, you know, grown and grown and grown over the years.
If this is something that we've been aware of, say, since 1940-whatever, it's been lie upon lie upon lie upon lie, and I guess at some point the government cannot afford the additional loss of I mean, already the people in this country don't find their government all that credible, and this would perhaps be the last plug out of the ship that sinks it.
I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know.
It's important to realize that it's not your congressman who knows, and it may not even be the Director of Central Intelligence Agency.
It may be inside compartmentalized programs that are so deeply obscured and sensitive that it's hard to really pin down somebody that is responsible.
I mean, really, is it a secret government that's doing this?
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were aware of it and doing their best to stay involved, because it's...
The energy technology alone, and the anti-gravity technology, if they've reverse-engineered it, is extremely powerful for whoever controls it.
From a military point of view, and as recently former Canadian Defense Minister Hellyer pointed out, this could be the solution to global warming and all sorts of other That is certainly correct.
I interviewed Colonel Corso many times, fortunately, before he passed, and I believed him.
Now, it was his contention that we have slowly integrated alien technology into our industry.
Do you think that is true?
And if so, what kind of technology do you think we can attribute to it?
Well, elsewhere.
Yeah, right.
I think the short answer is yes, we have.
It's another whole book that I've been putting off, but I've been collecting information, tentatively titled, Purloined Progress.
But the one that comes to mind that's mentioned in the majestic documents is a description of fiber optics in 1947, where it wasn't patented until And this is not to demean the importance and value of all the hard-working engineers and scientists that further developed fiber optics to bring it to the point it is today, or the laser, or the integrated circuit, or night vision goggles, or the host of other technologies that are suspect.
There's loads of hard work that went into making those all happen from our terrestrial point of view, but the seed, the kernel, the starting point, the aha moment, has its origin in viewing the future and seeing the alien artifact, in essence.
And that's all it takes, really, sometimes, is to know something is possible.
That's right.
Oh no, that's absolutely correct.
It is the idea, and from there, away you go.
That's right.
And so I think there are a lot of reverse-engineered technologies that are in the marketplace today, and they're important.
All right, and so's the break coming up.
Ryan Wood, hold tight.
Ryan Wood has investigated 74 plus 10 crash sites.
We'll touch on a number of them as this program proceeds.
From the High Desert, I'm Art Bell.
My guest is Ryan Wood.
He has written a book called Magic Eyes Only.
In it, he reviews 74 UFO crashes and subsequent military retrievals.
So we're going to talk a little bit about retrievals.
There must be a very specific order of things that are done when our government goes to a crash site, and I would imagine Ryan knows what those are.
In a moment, we'll ask.
Brian, welcome back.
Let's settle a couple of things.
You've got some White Sands coordinates for us?
Yeah.
If you want me to just read them to you?
Indeed.
Okay.
Latitude 33.7338489.
Yikes.
Yep.
That's a lot.
Wait a minute.
7338489.
Yikes.
Yep, that's a lot.
That's a lot.
Wait a minute.
Latitude 33.73389?
8489.
Got it.
And then longitude, minus 106.20783.
Okay, let me repeat those.
Latitude, 33.73338489.
Longitude, minus 106.20783.
Okay, let me repeat those. Latitude 33.733.38489. Longitude minus 106.20783.
Yeah, let's do the latitude one more time. 33.733.8489.
Got it.
Okay.
All right, that'll let people take a look.
Now, with regard to the email you sent me of the convoy going into a mountain, what is the title of the email?
I get a lot of... Did you send it to Minespring?
Yeah, I did.
Okay, what's the title of the email?
The title of the email is, Area 29 Trucks Going Into Hillside.
Okay, I may not have that yet, so let me keep trying.
All right, very good.
Now, with regard to military protocol for retrievals, when there is a crash, Ryan, what happens in what order?
How do they handle it?
Well, generally, I think they gather as much intelligence as they can about the particular incident and then quickly send a team there to secure the area.
Uh, and get everybody as far away from it as possible.
If, if there's any public around or any military around, uh, you know, the, the world is a gigantic place and there's people are only in the cities.
Um, and most of the crashes seem to occur in remote areas.
They do.
But that makes sense.
There are more remote areas in the world than there are urban areas.
Ryan, do you know offhand if the U.S.
responds to foreign crashes as well as domestic crashes?
Or do individual governments respond?
Well, the Moondust declassified documents clearly showed that they had an international
presence and they would respond internationally to events.
They also, the declassified correspondence, showed that there's coordination sometimes.
That in 1996 in Somalia, the president of Somalia asked the State Department to come
helping with this stuff and they sent in a team.
So I think it's done on a case-by-case basis.
If the U.S.
guys think they can get away with going in there, grabbing it, and getting out, they're going to do it that way.
Well, that would make it easier to keep a secret.
I mean, if individual nations were responding, then one might imagine that this secret just simply couldn't be kept.
But if there's some sort of international coordination In terms of response, even if it's somewhat delayed, then you can imagine secrecy might be kept.
Well, the other thing is that we're forgetting the power of the almighty dollar and the real problem that you have.
Okay, so an ET crash occurs in, let's say, Peru, and the Peruvian government does not have A battery of 100 PhDs in exotic materials or navigations, etc.
Only the United States does.
And they call up the State Department, send them the pictures, and say, hey, we got an ET craft.
Do you guys want it?
Wire me $3 billion to my account, and I'll ship it to you.
Otherwise, we're going to keep it and work on it ourselves.
And I would not be surprised if there are negotiations like that that occur.
For just, you know, materials.
Because they're stuck.
You know, a small country without a deep, rich set of education and intellect and industry can do nothing with it.
And it's even questionable whether or not America or other industrialized countries can really do something with it.
We can do probably a little more.
It's a big challenge for the people that got the gear.
All right.
I just received, and I'll be damned if you're not right, I have received the pictures, the convoy entrance and the picture of the convoy.
Yeah.
And I'm going to forward this on right now to the two webmasters we have in hopes that they're still awake and can possibly get them up for everybody to see.
So I appreciate your having sent this, and indeed, folks, Just in case you don't get to see it, it does show a very long convoy indeed going into what appears to be the side of a hill.
And we've done some remote viewing targets on that underground complex and it's very large.
And this picture was taken in 1996.
in uh... nineteen ninety you know it's ten years old
and it's just a fluke of luck that we get it where the trucks are actually
That's amazing.
That's absolutely amazing.
I've never seen anything quite like this.
So hopefully we'll get it on the website for everybody to see.
Very good.
Cool.
All right.
How much do we know about the ability of these craft to quite obviously and apparently defy gravity?
Well, they certainly The data says that you see water coming up above the surface, slightly, maybe a foot off the surface when a UFO is hovering, so there's cases like that.
We all know they disappear over the horizon in a couple of seconds, and that's thousands of Gs, and our science doesn't know how to deal with that.
It only takes just a teeny bit of, quote, anti-gravity or gravitational reduction to create a flywheel to just keep going and going and going and generate, in essence, free energy.
Right.
And that's what's on everybody's mind.
God knows we need energy.
So is there anything in any of these papers That gives us a hint how it's done, or, you know, on the technological end of it.
Is there anything?
Well, yeah, there is.
There's one section in the White Hot Report, which is the report that was done in September of 1947, after three months of sort of analyzing the The Roswell wreckage.
This is a Magic Eyes only report that Twining's people put together.
And so they talk about, in point 18, the following elements were analyzed and found to exist in a small neutronic power plant that was found inside ULAT-1, unidentified lenticular erudite technology number one.
The first thing was UF6 in metallic form, that's uranium hexafluoride.
Hydrogen fluoride gas, water and uranium tetrafluoride, powdered magnesium and potassium chlorate, metals similar to lead or chocolate brown in color, something they don't understand, uranium-235 in metallic form, a plastic-like material similar to NE-102.
NE-102, when we first read that, we said, what the heck is NE-102?
And it turns out it's a Obscure historical reference to a neoprene type material that's perfectly accurate for 1947 but makes absolutely no sense to modern science.
It was discontinued a few years later.
Beryllium, pure aluminum, thorium isotope material, and plutonium powder.
So they sort of list down those things.
They had mass spectroscopy back then, and they should be able to figure out most of that.
The question is, how does it work?
They don't know.
Or they don't say.
Right.
Well, this is the top secret thing, and it is a preliminary technical evaluation.
So, yeah, I would think that there's a dozen PhDs that would have been Writing follow-up reports and taking it to the next level and we just don't have those documents.
One would also imagine, at least I imagine, that with the state of the world right now and how much trouble we're apparently in with our environment and the need for energy, obviously these kind of craft would be using some sort of technology that would get us out of trouble.
And at some point, the need for that is going to eclipse whatever they've concocted as the need for keeping this so secret.
Well, I agree with you.
And, you know, if I was the intelligence officer managing the secret, I might say, well, okay, yeah, the planet's in dire straits.
Let's go fix it.
And so they They create a little super classified program to stick a propulsion unit or something up at the North Pole and generate ozone or scrub CO2 at an ungodly rate.
Right.
And they do it all super secret.
Don't tell anybody about it.
They just do it.
And the world gets better.
Well, there's that, and then there's of course our insatiable need for Energy, in whatever form, and whatever powers these craft, certainly would be in that category.
Yes, it would, and that's the whole bugaboo about telling the truth or letting it out, because it changes the power structure of the Middle East, it empowers people and African nations, it just changes The power structure and the authority structure, it doesn't happen overnight, but in 10 years it would be dramatically different, and the people that are in power want to keep their authority and power.
And it would change, and it would be unpredictable.
Then there's this, Ryan, you hear about crashes in various places, Somalia, South America, all over the world, and there's a brief little flurry about them, inevitably, in Africa I can recall several, and then the story just goes away.
It just goes away, Ryan.
Well, that's right, and you could say that about almost any news story, Unless there is a charismatic leader or champion or organization that's bringing it up and pushing it through the media system well and giving the media what it wants, which is compelling physical evidence and credible testimony.
And that's really the thing that's been lacking in this whole field, is compelling physical evidence.
I mean, the arts parts that you had were very good, and they are compelling.
But we haven't had any more, and they aren't really that compelling, as you said yourself.
That's right.
I mean, they're not of this earth, or they exhibit, when they're tested, things that are not of this earth.
But that's what you're left with, Ryan.
Then there was, for example, the sighting I had.
And it's pretty typical of how the media handles things.
I see a giant triangle that blots out everything in the sky, along with my wife at the time.
The local newspaper reports on it because we weren't the only ones that saw it.
Many, many people in the valley saw this giant triangle defying gravity floating out across the entire valley, straight across the valley, Ryan, and the local newspaper runs a story.
They inquire of Nellis Air Force Base.
Nellis responds by saying, well, yes, and this was in the newspaper, there may have been a flight A secret mission that overflew the Pahrump Valley on that night, as reported.
But it was a C-130 aircraft.
Now, that's laughable.
It's insulting.
At the time, I got very angry.
But that's where the story died.
Nobody pushed it beyond that.
God knows I tried.
But it remained as reported.
You know, when the government says it, and the newspaper reports it, that's it, Brian.
It dies.
It was a C-130.
I know.
It's sad.
It's a difficult problem.
And so my whole approach to it is to just You know, focus on crashes, where I can get physical evidence, and begin to drag more and more physical evidence.
And your parts are not the only parts.
That's right.
Dr. Roger Lear has parts, Ramey Bockup in Gig Harbor, Washington has parts, and there's three or four other people that have parts in various Yes, and we're all in the same situation, and that is, at the end of the day, anomalous as they might be, that's all they are.
Now, you said that there have been roughly 10 additional crashes since you've written your book.
What else has happened that is of interest?
Well, one of the other crashes that I just became aware of was In Fort Hunter Liggett, which is an army base outside of King City, California, sort of a two-hour drive south of San Jose, in 72, there was a laser weapons test going on, and apparently, according to one witness, it's just one witness case,
But a credible witness who has been interviewed by Terry Cassidy and Bill Ryan.
UFO appears.
They shoot the laser at it.
It crashes.
We got some parts.
We got several greys.
Some were alive and in good health.
So that's sort of an interesting kernel of a story.
It needs a lot of additional follow-up and checking.
To, again, move the authenticity needle up, but it's a start of something interesting.
Another one that I've been working on is, was in Elk Mountain, Wyoming in the summer of 71, where a UFO flaming fireball comes down, crashes, and burns up the hillside and a lot of Locals, you know, try to contain the fire.
And NASA, at the time, shows up a few hours later, or as fast as they can, maybe 8 or 12 hours later, with vehicles, and they jam the entire town's RF output.
So all the TV stations, radio stations, everything didn't work.
And all the citizens remember this.
I've actually seen that done, Ryan.
There was a time when they kind of laid an RF blanket, is the only way I could describe it, over our valley here.
And I have Irrefutable proof of it.
I mean, everything went dead at once.
My satellite uplink went down.
Microwave internet at about 12 locations, we're a small town, completely went down.
Anything out of this, I mean, it all went down.
I have no idea.
How our military is able to do that, but it is indeed something they can do.
I think we used it in Iraq, as a matter of fact, at the beginning of the war.
So we have that ability.
We can virtually stop all communication.
How we do that, what kind of electromagnetic blanket we're able to lay down, I have no idea, but we can do it.
That's right, and that's what they did in this little town, and then According to a couple of witnesses that we've got videotape on, they pulled a vehicle off the hillside, put it on a semi-tractor trailer, tarped it all up.
It was very heavy and nearly maxing out the semi, disc-shaped, and drove it out.
There's a small newspaper article sort of saying there was a fire, but nothing more.
And that's where the story ends until... Alright, that's where this segment ends, Ryan.
We'll be right back.
Alright, Ryan Wood is my guest.
He's actually started some crash retrieval conferences.
Now, I would imagine somebody like Ryan, who's written a book on the subject, looked into 74 crashes, continues to look into them.
...might be watched very carefully by our government.
Somebody in our government.
I wonder if that has occurred.
In a moment, we'll ask about that.
Well alright, good job Lex Lonehood.
If you go to the coast2coastam.com website right now, the very top center part of the website, you'll see feature article area 29 Convoy.
And all you've got to do is click where it tells you to and you will see the photograph in question that Ryan sent to me about an hour ago.
So there you go Ryan, it's up on the website right now.
Everybody's going to get to see it.
Cool!
Now, with regard to With regard to these retrieval conferences, you began one.
What goes on at those conferences?
I mean, do you have people who come and actually testify about things they've seen or know about with regard to retrievals?
I hope.
No, it's more like it's a traditional UFO conference in that sense.
I have speakers that do PowerPoint presentations and write written proceedings, and I try to select people that are not only interesting, but they're good orators and deliver good charisma and value to the audience.
But most of the time I, Linda Howe is a regular, she's been to every crash retrieval conference.
I cover between three and six crashes at every conference.
So there's an hour long presentation about a specific crash where we'd have an expert in that particular crash talk about the status of it, where the investigations are, what they've learned, where they're going.
It's been a wonderful forum to push the hard physical evidence.
In my opinion, the two things the government or the control group does not want the world to know, one, is that they have real hardware and bodies, and two, that abductions are real and they can't do a damn thing about it, and it's a big trauma that people's minds can be Manipulated and changed and influenced and they don't know what to do about that.
Alright, well you've written a book, you've looked into a lot of crashes, you're holding these conferences.
At any point, Brian, have you felt as though you have been observed or have you been contacted by anybody that you think may have been from our government?
Nobody's really contacted me directly and given me... There's been some hints here and there, but nobody... I think there's some people that have come to the conferences that are in the know or partially in the know.
I have, you know, they have their spies coming to my conferences.
I have spies on my team running counterintelligence on them.
I'm sure they're happy to hear that.
Yes, I would imagine they would have people at your conferences.
So, I mean, it's just a natural thing.
They would want to know what you know.
So, yes, and I'm sure you scan the crowd and look very carefully at who's there.
Right, well, they all register and I'd love to have the resources to, you know, do full background checks on everybody, but that seems a little bit Unfair and unreasonable if you want to come to a conference and get that sort of degree.
Have you ever done any research, for example, on your website?
That's another thing that I am told, Ryan, that our government does, and that is regularly visits websites like yours, and it's not all that hard to do some traces on IPs and find out who's looking.
Yeah, I mean, I've done a little bit of that, and there's the usual 5% or 10% that is .mil or .gov, and maybe that's a little higher than most websites, but yeah, I get some traffic like that.
Actually, one of the other interesting projects that I'm working on is something called Ufodex, ufodex.net.
Which is a complete compendium of all UFO knowledge.
It's a mother of a project, but as a little pilot, I've scanned and OCRed 200 UFO books that are full-text searchable.
Newspaper articles, I've got like 5,000, 10,000 pages.
This is still in beta.
It isn't really launched yet into the public domain, but people that want to Learn a little bit about it.
Go to ufodex.net.
But I suspect that in the next month or so, it's going to go online, and for the first time ever, you're really going to have a dedicated UFO library that you can search, just like Google, and start to get the correlations.
Well, give me all the abduction cases in Tennessee, or I want flying triangles in Nevada only.
Full text search, you know, thousands of books and newspaper articles and things like that, and that's never been available before.
Have you interfaced with Dr. Greer at all?
A little bit.
Dr. Greer is problematic in my mind.
In what sense?
Well, he's well-intentioned and charismatic, and he...well, I've had to phrase this politely...he
seems to be more interested in making money off the phenomenon than benefiting or advancing
the cause.
I've heard some really unfortunate stories from people that have attended his conferences
or his seminars weekends.
I never got that sense from him, but then of course I've never been to one of his conferences.
I've had him on the air.
And one thing he's done that I thought is worthy, you know if you look at when all this began.
In the mid-forties or so.
Forty-whatever.
Mid-forties.
The people involved, the people who would have been involved since that time are now probably approaching retirement age.
They're getting on up there.
And one thing he's done is to call for these people to, despite what they might have signed, what agreements they might have made, you know, for the cause of mankind and the state of the world right now to come forward.
And I think it was a very, very good idea, and I would love to see Congress pass some sort of legislation that would give them some protection.
Oh yes, that would do a wonderful job to get more witnesses out, and his whole disclosure book has all been scanned and OCR'd into Ufodex, and the focus on witnesses is very good.
And it needs to be done endlessly, and I'm looking forward to the witnesses that are
going to call in in the next hour, potentially, who know something and want to talk about
their firsthand experience with this phenomenon and the military cover-up of it.
Well, that would be, of course, of great use.
What would not, even though there are millions of us out there, would be sightings.
Now, people will call in endlessly, Ryan, with sightings.
I know.
You know, it's interesting.
But it doesn't push things forward, really.
On the other hand, you've got somebody who's been in the military, been involved in a crash retrieval, or been involved with a hands-on something or another.
You've got another story entirely.
Right.
Anybody that had been on a Moondust operation, or a Blue Fly operation, or a military crash retrieval Those are the people that would be very interesting to hear from, even anonymously.
You've been doing this for a long, long time, and your listening audience has had the opportunity to send you information in the mail endlessly.
All my adult life, Ryan.
I know.
And it's only happened a couple of times.
It sounds to me like you're going to go back to this Devil's Hole area.
Do you have an expectation that something major is still there?
Yes, I have an expectation that there's still evidence there.
One of the talks that I had at last year's Crash Retrieval Conference was I had an experimental plane archaeologist come and present.
And after his presentation, he'd been to a hundred different classified airplane crashes, some of it, you know, very super secret, some of it, you know, both stealth fighter crashes and so forth.
And I walked away with a profound happiness that there's no way in hell that they can cover up a crash effectively.
If it impacts the ground and spreads around, they can't pick it all up.
Yeah.
There's parts, there's evidence left.
And he showed countless pieces of stealth fire crash materials that he got when it was still classified.
And it was very reassuring to know that they can't pick it up.
I mean, they really could if they tried, you know, scrape the earth a meter thick, you know, and cart it all off.
Spend a week or two there with lots and lots of people.
But they don't do that because it draws too much attention.
And so now it's just a question of finding these crashes and pulling up parts.
And all it takes is one, as you say, but I like four or five.
Yeah.
Again, going back to people who might come forward.
If you were in your late 50s, mid 60s, you're about to retire, you had signed A secrecy agreement.
You, at this point, are beginning to get, perhaps, your retirement benefits.
You've got a family, Ryan.
You know, what is your, what is the likelihood that you're going to come forward?
Risk everything you've got.
Risk your family.
Risk going to jail.
And risk your livelihood between now and when you pass.
It's not high, Ryan.
No, it's not high.
Honestly, not too many people are going to do that, are they?
No, they aren't.
And it's the people that are 80 or 90 that feel that they've performed unspeakable acts
in the name of UFO secrecy for virtually nothing, and they feel it's important to finally gain
some peace for their God or their mind or their children.
And those are the people we need to go to the attics and pull out their papers and find
the stuff.
Well, you said people who may have committed unspeakable acts.
What are you referring to?
Are you talking about everything up to and including murder?
Oh, yeah.
For example, in my book, Magic Eyes Only, I have the closing chapter sort of discussed as Thomas Cantwell, which is the guy who leaked the majority of the documents directly to Tim Cooper in his closing final page memo saying, You know, I'm about ready to, by the time you read this, I'll be dead of cancer, blah, blah, blah.
But I've done countless unspeakable acts in the name of UFO secrecy.
He didn't specifically state I murdered people, but it was clearly implied.
And this special operations manual clearly authorizes, you know, deadly force.
Well, while we're on that subject, coming back to your own situation, Ryan, aren't you a little bit concerned at times for your own safety?
Well, you know, nobody's really, nobody's ever threatened me or bothered me.
I think that I'm not doing anything really dangerous.
Well, in a sense you are.
Look at what you're looking for, whether it's you or Dr. Greer or anybody else in this business.
If you stumble into something real and something current and something dangerous... That's a different game.
Well, then you're not going to get threatened, Ryan.
You just will go away.
Yeah, well, you know, it's always that risk.
And it's for the benefit of humanity and our right to know.
I think that most of the time they say they warn you and then they warn you again and then they'll be more virulent about it and then you may die.
It seems like there's a gentle escalating pattern that you Because one of the talks that I gave at the second annual Crash Retrieval Conference was on convenient deaths in support of UFO secrecy.
Yes.
And I just focused on, I have a whole database of people that I believe have been murdered
for the sake of UFO secrecy, but I just focused on 10 people in the talk, in the crash retrieval
proceedings, which you can buy at UFOconference.com.
And a couple of cases were like that, where you had this escalation.
Well, if there was a sort of a gentle escalation of revelation, then I can see that what you
You might get a kind of a warning, then you might even get another warning, and then something might happen.
But if you really stumbled into something extremely hot, you might not get any warning at all, right?
Yes, I think that's true.
And so, you know, the question is, is a hatch door of a flying saucer that hot?
And... I would tend to think yes.
Yeah.
I mean, if you could really present a hatch door made of materials that were not of earth, as an example, and it was obviously a manufactured but not earthly item, I would say that would rate right on up there, yes.
Yep, and that's when I become As paranoid and skillful as I possibly can.
All right.
Hypothetically, Ryan, let's say that you found something like that or even bigger.
How would you handle it?
Have you thought about that?
How in the world would you handle it?
Well, there are lots of things to think about.
Is it radioactive?
How are you going to transport it?
How are you going to isolate it?
You want to fly it or drive it?
Who do you tell?
Who do you not tell?
Do you slice up parts and send them in the mail to 20 different people?
Do you get a piece?
Do you do multiple videotaping?
Do you wear gloves?
You do lots of things like these to ensure that the evidence is secured credibly and forensically, as well as For the public good and your ultimate safety.
So, I've thought about it a little bit.
And then how do you go public in a way that keeps you alive?
Well, going public is a tricky thing.
What you need to do is to have multiple credible experts already lined up endorsing your case, and you need to think about Who are the counter-arguments or people would be?
Who would CNN draw on?
Who would the other major media draw on to rebut or provide perspective and make sure that they're already in your camp?
Are you truly confident enough in the major media?
You can mention CNN or Fox or any group you want of the major networks.
Are you confident Enough in the major media in America that you would go to them and feel that they would handle it honestly?
No.
I think they would be as tongue-in-cheek as they have been with most things.
I think so as well.
Listen, we're coming to a break, Ryan.
Here's what I would like to ask the audience.
Rustation of the numbers here in a moment.
Rather than getting sighting reports, if we could talk to anybody who's had a close encounter of a third kind, in other words, actually met or encountered an alien or has laid hands on a part, been at a crash, been part of a military team that cleaned up a crash, been part of a military encounter, people of that sort.
If we could call on those people in this next hour, Let's see if we get any calls, Ryan.
See where we go.
Ryan Wood is my guest.
Crash retrievals and the majestic topics are the subject.
Hi everybody, my guest is Ryan Wood, and what we're going to be looking for with those phone numbers are people who have been involved in crash retrievals, people in the military who have been in encounters, but primarily people who have really been there.
Now, I know it's tough to ask you to come forward.
We will certainly keep, as best we're able, your information, such as whatever we have.
To ourselves.
So you can come forward anonymously if you like, but we would like you to come forward.
Take a shot at it anyway.
In a moment I do have a question about the UFO community for Ryan Wood.
We'll be right back.
Ryan, I take it you would agree with me when I say that the media really does a job on ufology.
I mean, when reports come in, even the good ones, they tend to sort of make a joke out of it, right?
Yeah, I mean, we saw that with the Chicago activity.
O'Hare, yes.
Yeah, O'Hare.
That was a great case.
You know, lots of witnesses, cell phone pictures, and they still, despite having lots of credible data and something Very reasonable put in the snicker factor.
At least CNN did, at least.
Ryan, that's true.
Now, as much damage as the media may do, they don't nearly do as much damage as ufology does to itself.
And you kind of took a shot across the bow of Dr. Greer a little while ago.
You know, when you're not on the radio and when ufology people get together, they are so destructive of each other that one wonders how it survives at all.
Well, I don't think it's that bad.
I mean, I've been to MUFON conferences and been speaking all around.
I mean, there are heated debates here and there.
That happens, but... Heated debates are fine, but when it degenerates into personal attacks, which inevitably it does, I've watched it over the years, Ryan.
Ufology just decimates itself.
It really does.
Well, I just want to do what I can do, and that is to focus on what I think is the important stuff, and that's crashes and Oh, it's important work.
It's important work, Ryan.
There's no question about it.
It's just that I hate to see Ufology do this to itself.
God knows there's few enough who are investigating all of this sort of thing, as you are.
Very few of us, indeed, in the world.
And we seem to just eternally fight with each other.
Maybe it's just the nature of man.
Let's take some calls and see what we've got.
Randy in Georgia, you're on the air with Ryan Wood.
Hello.
Hi Art, how are you doing?
I'm okay.
I worked for a defense contract, and I'm not really sure I should be talking about this, but at the time we were building an X-plane, and they built two copies of it, and they built three cockpits for it, and one of the cockpits was liquid-filled.
There was no seat in it, and the pilot would be suspended in there, and I just Wondered if anybody had found a crash site with a liquid-filled cockpit.
I don't understand how that would affect G-forces or, you know, I was just a mechanic that put it together.
That's very interesting.
Ryan, have you heard of anything like that?
No, I've never heard of anything like that.
It reminds me of some abduction stories where, I want to say the Andreessen Affair, where The human was put in a gel-filled goo and actually breathed it and then taken and come back.
But I would think that a goo like that would be good for supporting you for high-G travel.
Like I said, this is one project I was never asked to sign a non-disclosure form.
Interesting!
Because it doesn't, you know, according to them, it just didn't exist.
You know, and they could never say it existed, because my name's Nick, you know, it's not going to show up anywhere.
Did you ask any questions about it?
Always, always.
Did you get any answers?
No, but the cockpit was the same cockpit that was used on the X plane that we did build, and it flew in the 80s.
Was it single seat or two seats?
Did I what?
Was it a single seat?
Yes, it was.
But this particular cockpit had no seat in it.
And the pilot was suspended in a space suit, I'd say, that was probably comparable to what you would wear on a SR-71.
You know, I think we just lost him.
Oh, no, you're there.
Caller?
Yeah, I'm still here.
Okay, good.
No, we just had a sort of an interference there.
God knows what that might have been.
Alright, so this thing was... Are you sure it was water?
Well, it was water the first test.
The second test looked more like consistency of what aloe would look like.
It was a gel type.
Well, boy.
Isn't that weird?
And I've never heard anyone speak about it.
And like I said, I was never asked to sign a non-disclosure form, so...
As far as I know, I can't talk about it.
I don't know, because it doesn't exist.
And you just saw the cockpit, right?
You didn't see the whole craft?
I did see the craft.
I can tell you it was the X-29.
Oh, X-29, okay.
It was a forward-swept wing aircraft.
What year was this?
Caller, what year?
Pardon me?
What year was it?
Oh, God.
1988 or 89.
It's back a few years.
And like I said, every other black project I've worked on, I had to sign a non-disclosure.
And they've all come out since then, but... Okay.
This particular plant, you know, worked on a few things for Israeli Air.
The Lave plane, I believe they built six of them.
Very, very interesting.
I'm sorry, you said everything else that you did sign an agreement on has become public?
Yes, yes.
Alright, well listen, I really, really appreciate the information.
That is kind of intriguing, Ryan.
It is, it is an intriguing tidbit.
The more I think about it, the more I think it would enable a person to withstand more G-forces.
What do I know?
I'm not a scientist, but just thinking about it, it seems like it would.
Yeah, especially if it went into your lungs, too.
And it went inside your body, and that would allow you to survive more Gs.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
All right, John in Sherman Oaks, you're on with Ryan Wood.
Good morning.
This is the weirdest thing in the world.
You remember, Art, I spoke to you a few months ago, and I told you that I was the one when the guys, they're going to probably cut the line on me, but that suit that they're talking about, that area, I'm the one who came up with that idea for that fluid-filled area.
You are?
Yeah, I called you up.
John, you were already on the line when that other caller called.
Right, yeah, but I talked to you months ago and I told you I did the contract work and they used to tell... What would you do under these circumstances?
Boy, are you ever breaking up, Ryan?
Do you hear me now?
I've got you sort of.
Only sort of.
You're breaking up.
You're on a cell, obviously.
Okay, you should hear me real good now.
I do.
Okay.
Like I said, they were replacing SR-71 with another craft back in the 80s.
And they asked me, they said, look, we have incredible G-forces on the pilot, and I said, why don't you take this stuff, there's this new child's toy out, this slime stuff.
I said, if you were to fill an area up with this slime, this gooey, you remember that toy that kids used to play with, that slime, that gooey stuff?
Yes, yes.
Yeah, I said, if you use this stuff, it would damper the G-forces on the pilots, because they said they're having problems with whiplash, with breaking a pilot's neck at the G-forces.
I said, fill up the area of the cabin with this same material, and this slime stuff, I don't know the exact makeup of it, And then they said, yeah.
I said, okay, yeah, we'll work on that.
And apparently, according to your last caller, they actually did what I actually told them to do.
Apparently so.
John, is that why you were calling?
No, no, no.
That wasn't the original reason.
It's because I've worked with defense and myself and people that we work with.
We get, I don't know if it relates to the alien thing, I don't know, but we do get kidnapped and then hypnotized to forget things because I have to go to college every three years.
I absolutely cannot even write my own name after this happens to us.
We systematically get kidnapped, and then we're hypnotized, or done something where we forget almost everything.
And after a few years, it does come back, and then we're grabbed again, and it's a nightmare.
Some of the guys have killed themselves already over this.
Ryan?
Fascinating.
First time I've ever heard of that.
It makes sense.
We don't realize how important the whole people management, the psychological profiling, and Security oaths and so forth are, and this seems like a very logical, reasonable step if you had a program or a mission that was so super secret and sensitive that you had to employ every possible angle to ensure no leaks.
Yeah, exactly.
There's a project up in Canada that I was aware of where they're working on high-powered holographic imaging laser systems to actually confuse the enemy.
And it comprised of nine people, and out of the nine, there's only one still alive.
Hmm.
So, yeah, like you said, I got out of the field real fast, you know, after a few weird things have happened.
I said, it's not worth it, and I got out of it.
And when I quit, actually, I was so disturbed with what happened that I left my $300 leather jacket on top of my car, and I drove out of the business and left real fast.
And, uh, it is, it is, it is, uh, the UFO part of it, it's, it is freaky.
There are things going on that are, that are very strange, where they're, talked, talked about reverse engineering, um, certain, uh, things.
And then, what you, you actually brought up something that made the hair stand up on my arms, because I heard it before, and it's extremely classified.
Where did you actually hear about the, the alien biological warfare stuff?
Because I heard that was extremely, extremely classified.
Where'd you get that?
Well, that's right there in the Majestic Documents leaked in 19... well, it's allegedly written in 47.
I'll see if I can find the exact passage quickly.
And...
Caller, you might want to get in touch privately with Ryan.
Ryan, you've got email?
Oh, I've got email.
It's all on my website at Majestic Documents, or on my phone number, too.
Alright, well some of the people who are getting through and who might not get through might want to get in touch with you, so we've got a link on your website and the email is right there, correct?
Yeah, that's right.
Alright, do you have that passage?
Yeah, could you still hear me?
Yeah, I do have that passage.
Go ahead.
It's under biological warfare programs.
BW programs in the U.S.
and U.K.
are in field test stages.
52.
Discovery of a new virus and bacteria agent so lethal that serums derived by genetic research can launch medical science into unheard of fields of biology.
The samples extracted from the bodies found in New Mexico, they're talking about the alien bodies, have yielded new strains of a retrovirus, retro hyphen virus, not totally understood, but give the promise of the ultimate biological weapon.
The danger lies in the spread of airborne and blood-borne outbreaks of disease in large populations with no medical cures available.
Wow.
Yeah, could you still hear me guys?
Yes.
Yeah, are you familiar with Gloria Ramirez?
Her body was cut open and people in the hospital had to wear spacesuits because gas was coming out of her body like what happened in the alien accident.
Oh yeah, I recall that story, yes.
Yes, what happened is she was exposed to something, the government covered it up, and her body was completely All right, we're really losing you.
I certainly recall that story.
Do you, Ryan?
Yes, I do, but I didn't study it.
Okay, well you might want to look into that.
It was a really, really weird story.
No question about it.
West of the Rockies, Donna in Mesa, Arizona.
You're on the air with Ryan.
Yes, I was hoping after listening to your show for some time that somebody could shine some light on this.
This happened to me when I was about six or seven years old.
Um, I've only heard of people talk about beings with long, spindly fingers, but this was entirely different.
And I've wondered, um, what it was I encountered.
Um, the story's a lot longer, but I'll break it real short.
Um, I guess it was a screen memory I had for a dream.
It's like a, now when I look back on it, it's like a past life experience.
Um, next thing I know, I'm floating in the air after being ran over.
And, um, and then my bed's floating.
And the psychiatrist I went to said, oh, it sounds like cataplexy.
Uh-uh.
No.
I was awake, yeah, like they say.
Not able to move, but terrified, because I could hear and feel my sheets flapping in the wind, and it got colder and colder and colder.
And the bed was clearly flying, and I was terrified of falling off.
The next thing I know, it's coming back to Earth, and it thumps to the ground, and I'm awake.
No more cataplexy, if that's what it was.
I am awake.
I go to draw my hands up, to put them under the covers, and I feel something on the bed.
And I'm like, what's this?
And I stepped in the same room as my brother and sister there across the room on a bunk bed for a minute there.
I thought maybe they were playing a joke.
Maybe they sleepwalked or something.
It wasn't them.
And I've never had a hand... I've never encountered anything like this.
It had, like, leathery-like skin, and I knew nothing about reptilians or anything back then.
But from what I hear now, maybe that's what it was.
The best I could describe it then was something that had died and had rigor mortis.
It was very stiff.
Um, where the four fingers should be, it was like a pad on the back, like one big fingertip,
like a mitten.
And where the four fingers were, it was one huge fingernail with a very, I'm sorry, this
is real, with a very pointed tip.
And the thumbnail was shaped just like it, with a very pointed tip.
I was terrified as a child.
I did not want to look to the side of the bed, and for some reason in my child mind, I felt if I screamed for my parents, it would jump up and get me.
Just the way a kid thinks, huh?
So I thought, hey, I can't lay here like this all night either.
So I tried to push it off the bed, and I got almost all the way there.
I was afraid to put my fingers too close to the edge.
And, um, now when I look back on it now, you know, it's like rigor mortis.
It just swung back up over me.
And I'm like, oh, God, I thought I was going to die right then.
So I pushed one more time and I heard it hit the floor, and those covers went over my head.
And I don't know how I fell asleep, but the next morning when I got up, boy, I was under that bed and looking around the toy boxes.
Nothing there.
But an interesting thing is the little toy I had from childhood, from my infancy, was slashed like a razor blade in half, and it was the little squeak toy of a kitten.
And in the dream when I got hit, By the vehicle, I was retrieving a kitten, and it screamed.
I don't know what the connection is.
Like I say, I've heard you talk about screen memories.
It just was weird.
It was just too weird.
But I know that hand was real.
Alright, well Donna, listen, thank you.
Let's take up the subject with Ryan very quickly of screen memories.
Many people talk about that, Ryan.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not an abduction expert, but it's a classic method of either allowing the aliens to mask the experience for the human or the human to cope with the experience of the alien and don't know which is which.
And they seem to be multiple types of screen memories from owls to kittens to Ryan, what is your take on the motive for interaction with human beings, for abduction, for all the rest of it?
Why do you think they're doing it?
Well, I think many people need to realize that there's multiple reasons for multiple civilizations, just the way there's That's why they crashed, too.
I think there's different civilizations doing different things, and their craft are imperfect.
So, it's not one thing that's the sort of silver bullet.
Ah-ha.
But I think the evidence suggests genetic manipulation, genetic understanding, influencing people's Brains and minds and information being imparted into them is another theme that I've seen and I believe.
I mean, this is a great question for David Jacobs.
It is.
It always does seem to come back to the genetic component, Ryan.
If you look at what they do, or what they are alleged to do, it really does seem to come back to some sort of study, if not manipulation of genetics.
Alright, hold tight, we're at a break point.
And again, we're looking for those of you, perhaps in the military, those of you Who have actually been on teams that have done recovery and that sort of work.
If we can find you, or if you can find us and get through, you're the ones we're after.
This is Coast to Coast AM.
Here I am.
Ryan Wood is my guest.
He's got a book, a new book, called Magic Eyes Only.
It reviews 74 UFO crashes and subsequent military retrievals.
There have been 10 Since.
So we're talking about exactly that, and we'll be back in a moment.
All right, Ryan, unless there's something we've not covered in the interview to this moment that we should, we'll continue with the phones.
Anything else you want to get in?
I don't think so.
Of course, anybody who knows anything about moon dust or blue fly Those are both related to crash retrievals, I think would be very interesting, and we'd welcome any sort of information.
Sure.
Well, that's a very hard shot at any given moment, the odds of anybody getting in, that sort of thing.
But of course, they can reach you by email.
Let's see what we get.
Richard in Palm Springs, you're on with Ryan.
Yeah, hi Art.
Hi.
My experience took place back in 1964.
Apparently there was quite a flap of UFO activity around Vandenberg Air Force Base, and I was a guard on a guided missile about 2 a.m.
in the morning, and it was quite foggy.
The missile was located on the beach, and I knew there was something out there behind the fog.
I either heard a noise or something.
I'm not sure, but as I looked in that direction, I noticed a figure of a man coming out of the fog, and it was very unusual, as remote as we were.
And he was quite a human size, human shape.
And actually, he was wearing a like a military raincoat.
So I thought at first it was some military officer that was coming to check up on me or something like that.
But as he advanced towards me, I became quite frightened and I tried to pull my gun and my arm was paralyzed.
So I backed into my foolishly backed in my guard shack and he kept coming at me.
I can't give you any real details of them because I was so scared I just squeezed my eyes shut and pushed myself back to the shack.
So the next thing I remember was very early in the morning, waking up, not waking up, but coming to, I was inside a circular room with a clear opening in the floor about three feet across.
And there was a presence next to me, and it was like I was getting command, don't look over in its direction, just look through the opening.
So I, as I looked through the opening, it was foggy, and it was becoming twilight.
And the fog started drifting away, and I could look down on a guard post that was about a couple of thousand yards down the road from mine.
We rotated through these, so I knew them all.
And I can watch this truck come up loaded with the supplies and the guard come out of the gate or his guard shack and then let the guard go inside the silo with his supplies.
The next thing I did is, the only lighting in this room, I could tell you it was circular, is about 20 feet across.
It was very dark and the only light was what came in through this opening, which was It didn't look like glass or anything, but there was no breeze or anything coming through it.
And I can notice the silhouettes, more or less, of three or four small figures with the large heads like a toddler or something like that.
Disproportionate and probably, if they were standing, maybe three and a half to four feet tall.
The next thing I know I'm on the floor of my guard shack with my eyes shut with my head
on this being's lap, or I think it was the being that felt like it.
And he's communicating with me somehow.
Actually the feeling was one of euphoria almost.
I just really felt great.
I could not tell you what he told me other than I just felt so euphoric that everything
was okay.
So it went from sheer terror to euphoria over that span of time.
And the loss of time between say 2 o'clock when he first encountered the first being
and the morning, it was morning, it was twilight.
So there's about a three hour loss of time that I can't account for there.
And that's pretty much my experience.
Yeah, well that's quite an experience all right.
And that's something you might want to explore with somebody who's able to perhaps put you in some sort of hypnotic state and take you back.
I'd want to know what happened during that period of time.
Yeah, I just understand.
I mean, I listen to your show quite a bit, and I understand that sometimes hypnosis can put ideas into your mind that really weren't there.
It can, but a good hypnotist won't do that, and it is possible to retrieve memories that way, so I'd give it a try.
Thank you very, very much for the call.
It was very interesting.
Steve in Trinity Lake, California.
You're on with Ryan Wood.
Yes, I just wanted to relate.
My stepmother's father was Chief of Security for Nevada Atomic Energy Commission for a number of years at Nellis Air Force Base, and he was telling me he was on vacation in 1972, just after some open heart surgery, and he was in kind of a lucid moment one morning, and he was talking about a number of things, and he was involved also in the Roswell, New Mexico crash, in the security, some security aspects of it.
Part of his military career was also during World War II.
He was in charge of the Pacific Coast troops out of Layetteville retrieving weather balloons.
But anyway, Jesse just said there were a number of things that he could talk about and he'd love to talk about in regards to UFOs, but he couldn't because of his secret COs.
But he would admit to believing in UFOs and ETs.
You know, being the caliber of his security clearances and, you know, his life, I was always impressed with that statement.
Is he still alive today?
You know, I haven't been in touch with him for a number of years, and I don't think he is because his health was failing the last time I spoke with him in 1989 in Las Vegas.
But, yeah, he was very, very, very clear, very direct about, you know, having a firm belief in these things.
Okay, all right, well thank you very, very much, Goler, and should you find him still alive, obviously we'd like to know about it.
Frank in New York City, you're on with Ryan.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Very interesting show.
I have a question regarding the master MJ-12 list from Ryan's website, and I have two questions.
One, why isn't Vannevar Bush listed as a member?
of that list, since there are about 150 names.
And he did have a direct connection with the Army and the Air Force.
And as I said, I also noticed two very interesting people, Clay Shaw, who was implicated, I guess, in the Kennedy assassination, and Lee Harvey Oswald.
And I was wondering, what was their connection to the group?
Well, the Master List, I think, has multiple tabs on it, and if you go to Scientists, you'll find Van Bush's name.
Yeah, but he should be on the Master List, in a sense, for this, because it's directly connected to military.
And I have a question also to ask.
I've also heard that there's another designation called Majesty 12.
What is the difference between Magic 12, Majestic 12, and Majesty 12?
And I'll hang up.
Okay.
Thanks a lot.
Well, I guess I don't have any documents about Majesty 12, and that's the real reason why I haven't really gone there or any witness statements about that in Majestic 12.
I'm sure the name has changed.
To Zodiac or something else.
But that's really why I don't have the majesty thing.
And then the linkages of Clay Shaw was, I believe he was one of the intelligence officers that was interviewed some people in the Murray Island crash case.
So, that's why his name was on the list.
As far as Lee Harvey Oswald goes, I'd have to go look at it again.
It's a big name, it attracts people's attention, and if it's not a clear linkage, I'd have to take it off, but most of it was created from copiously going through all the documents I have and seeing all the to's and from's and all the names that were In the documents.
Okay, Ryan.
Out of the country to Mexico.
Jim, you're on the air with Ryan Wood.
Yeah, I wanted to tell about... I'm sure it was a living entity because it was moving.
It was moving across the ground.
There's no doubt about it.
Where and when?
What are you talking about, Jim?
Well, okay, this was my patio.
It was glass.
It was brown glass from a broken bottle or something.
And I picked it up, and I set it over in front of me where I was sitting.
I mean, I didn't know it right away.
I thought my eyes were deceiving me.
A few minutes later, another piece of glass was moving in the same direction, in the same path as the other one.
I mean, this was just too much for me.
I picked that one up, examined it carefully.
It didn't look anything unusual at all.
But I put it next to the other one, and I was sitting there looking at him and thinking about it.
Another piece of glass comes the same way, the same path, and I let it keep going.
Just moving all on its own?
It's basically, I can't say it wasn't above the ground.
It did appear to be touching the ground, but gliding, if you will.
A small piece of glass, no bigger than three quarters of an inch.
When did this occur, Jim?
This was about three months ago.
And how did it end?
What's the end of the story?
I mean, you've got pieces of glass floating along the... A couple of more came, you know, minutes later, you know, one at a time.
Zipped by at a fairly low rate of speed.
I would say half of walking speed.
The most interesting part is that I actually After a while, I stepped out of the room, I came back, and the two pieces of glass that I had set in front of me were gone.
Yeah, I have no idea what to make of this.
Well, you know that silicon is the second element that could theoretically be a base for a form of life.
Right.
You know, carbon is one.
There's a science fiction story about these pyramids made of silicon or something.
Yes.
You know, and you would expect that if silicon was a form of life, it would move extremely slowly.
You know, like one inch every hundred years or something like that.
So you're thinking you might have actually observed a form of life?
Well, I do think so.
I mean, I can't make anything else out of it.
Do you still have any of these pieces?
Well, I found some glass that looked about the same in another part of the house later on.
And I assume it might be, but, you know, it was from broken glass on the patio, and, you know, there's broken glass around.
You know, you couldn't really tell if it was exactly the same or not.
In fact, my suspicion was that it was slightly different, but it looked approximately the same, and that it, you know, was not the same, but maybe meant to look the same.
All right, well, that certainly is a weird story.
I have no idea what to make of that one.
Let's go to Bill in Van Nuys, California.
You're on with Ryan Wood.
Hello Art and Ryan, nice to talk to you both.
I'm very reluctant to talk about this, I never spoke on the air and I'm not usually calling in on programs, but I have been a long time abductee unfortunately.
It's not a good thing.
The only reason I called in is because I appreciate your work and I know that one of your guests spoke about maybe this is just imaginations, people are dreaming.
I thought that too when I was younger, until October or November of 1974, when we observed, three of us, observed a craft going over our heads.
And it was going so slow, we thought the aircraft was ready to crash, and we waited for the crash.
I saw the silver bottom of it as it was going overhead, and it made like an oscillating, like humming noise, like a woo.
And I thought, what is it?
Anyways, later on, we were standing around a fire.
You know, that night, somebody looked out in the woods and we've seen red, blue, and white lights going around.
And someone said, what is that?
It was probably a house with Christmas decorations.
And I said to him, I said, do you ever seen Christmas decorations that have lights going around like that?
So we walked down to the woods to see what it was.
And we walked up on a UFO on the ground with two grays standing in front of it.
Six of us walked up within 40 feet, maybe 40 or 50 feet.
It was lit from behind.
So you could see that you could see him perfectly.
And one of them had a weapon in his hand.
This sounds like such a crazy story.
Even I know what happened.
I can't hardly believe it myself.
And we didn't know what to do.
We were just standing there.
And all of a sudden, one started to move and the other one started to move the same way like they were in chain stuff like military.
And the one on one of them that had a weapon, it looked like a kind of a grayish, I mean, like a bluish weapon with little rings around it.
He pointed it at us.
Well, he started to point it at us, and everyone started to run.
We're running through the trees.
We're ready to get our eyes poked out.
We don't care.
We're trying to get away from this thing.
And all of a sudden, I was hit in the back of the head with something.
I assumed from that gun, whatever it was.
And something told me you just ran into a tree.
And later on, I thought, well, if I get hit in the back of the head, how did I run into a tree and knock myself out?
So I assumed I just jumped right up, and I looked, and all five people were gone.
They were already running out into the street where the streetlight was.
So I just jumped up and ran out there and they said, where have you been for the last two hours?
I said, what are you talking about?
I just got up.
I couldn't figure out how they were already out of the woods.
And it's just, it really enforced my knowing that this does happen.
This is real.
Well Bill, that was a multiple encounter.
Did you report this to anybody?
Well, who do you report it to?
Do you call the police?
They say you're nuts.
Who's going to believe it?
I don't even like talking about it now.
It's not something that even my closest friends, I've told a couple of close friends I've known all my life, and they know me, and they still kind of look at me like they really don't know what to think.
Yeah.
Well, the Mutual UFO Network would love to hear a report, and somebody be very sympathetic, responsible, and mature about it.
Yeah, particularly in a multiple witness situation like that, or a multiple encounter situation like that, I would say As Ryan just suggested, gotta move on.
Report it.
John, in Texas, you're on the air with Ryan Wood.
Hi.
Hi, Art.
I've got an encounter with a space baby thrown in that I'd like to share with you.
About 13 years ago, I lived in Dallas, Texas, and my wife and I were asleep one night, and I heard an oscillating low decibel noise getting Closer sound like getting closer.
We were sleeping.
That's what woke me up.
I'm kind of a light sleeper.
And I remember a blue light filled the room.
It was a sick light, almost like being in a fog.
And then, then that's all I remember about that part.
And then I remember being in my I've got two boys.
They were three and five at the time.
I'm 50 years old now.
And I remember what being with my wife playing with a child that that wasn't really it wasn't either of them.
In one of them's bed, in their bedroom, and then I remember hearing that low frequency oscillating sound coming, and I remember shaking uncontrollably with fear.
The next thing I remember was lying in my bed, and all of a sudden, I don't know what woke me up, but I sat straight up in my bed.
My wife was laying asleep next to me, and bounding up on the bed was a child that And I said, oh, Nathan, it's you.
And I laid back down again, went to sleep.
But I remember it wasn't Nathan.
The child had a bigger head, kind of an almond-shaped head.
But he looked real similar to my two-year-old.
That's really an odd story, Jack.
Listen, I'm going to have to cut you off.
I'm terribly sorry.
We're out of time.
Ryan, again, the odds of anybody getting through, we had several very, very interesting calls, but in terms of getting a military person, somebody who's been on a crash retrieval, for example, which is, I know exactly what you want, are pretty slim in any given show.
Sure, I understand.
Your website's up there.
The email is available by all means, folks.
Contact Ryan.
If you're ready to talk.
Ryan, it's been a pleasure having you on the program.
Wish we had more time.
Thanks, Art.
Thank you, my friend, and good night.
Good night.
All right, folks.
That's it for this night and this weekend.
Tomorrow night, George will pick up the gauntlet and run with it until next weekend.
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